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#90 G. Ganapathy Subramaniam, ET: Jun 30, 2009 21:54:45

'You know... we had this Bhardwaj [as law minister] .. [who] used to deal with [Raja] differently. But now ... with Moily … he will just not.. take any chances…. And they ...want the prime minister to pull him up'

#90 G. Ganapathy Subramaniam, ET: Jun 30, 2009 21:54:45
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Niira Radia:  Ganu hi ….

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Hi …(inaudible utterance)

Niira Radia:  Got details from Manoj on the points that these people had raised?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah, yeah, yeah... so…ummm..that…umm… in fact in between I spoke to Rohit

Niira Radia:  Uh huh..

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: So I think…uh… Manoj and Rohit were trying to speak to each other, so I got the details… so…uh… done that…uh… so you would’ve seen part of it but…uh… much more…uh… detail work …uh.. is for the reading…. And not for the (inaudible)

Niira Radia:  Ok … but is there a …

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: (inaudible)

Niira Radia:  Is there a print one for tomorrow?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah, yeah! Yes, yes, yes!

Niira Radia:  Huh?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yes yes yes!

Niira Radia:  But our point of view is there that.. uh?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Absolutely, absolutely…. In detail and all this…. But I think this…uh  (unclear) has also jumped into action…. Uh… and were trying to tell people …uh… that there is some response that he has got… uh.. three para C 316 , 319 blah blah something something

Niira Radia:  We’ve given a response to that

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok, oh…uh… the next step also?

Niira Radia:  Yeah

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam:  Ok

Niira Radia:  Who is writing the story?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Uh…. the initial part I have already done…. But uhhh…

Niira Radia:  Including the 314 and 316 and all that?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ah no… this is about the 3….uh… the 3 issues requiring government approval 

Niira Radia:  Hmmm..

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: And..uhhh…that nothing can be done without a government approval and how this is in line with what the fertilizer [?]... has said earlier

Niira Radia:  Ah huh

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: And how that.. uh.. little …uh… (inaudible) on irrigation and…uh.. how these things are controlled by the mother agreement….ehhh.. which is approved by the government.

Niira Radia:  Uh huh..

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: (inaudible) so that.. (inaudible)

Niira Radia:  So these people…uh... But these people.. uh.. will they change it?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Uh …no they will not change it.. They…the…uh… what they are supposed to do is to add the bit about what this fellow is saying…uh (Name inaudible) is saying

Niira Radia:  Umm…. But we’ve also responded to that.

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah... umm… that also I’ll tell them to add so…but… huh… what is the response to this 316 and uh 319 that they should take note of?

Niira Radia:  Para 311

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah

Niira Radia:  That the contract of such nature is subject to the approval of government in view of any LP [?] and TAC [?] and such related government policies.

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Huh hun

Niira Radia:  That is the one line…

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Huh un

Niira Radia:  It’s a long clause

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: huh un

Niira Radia:  And uh.. para 316

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: huh

Niira Radia:  (inaudible) That the price factor is concerned that the prices at which the fixed supply of gas is required to be supplied to REL subject to and under the terms of the PAC [TAC? What?] which RIL entered into with ministry of petroleum on 12th April, 2000

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Hun hun huh un

Niira Radia:  That was the judgment itself

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok

Niira Radia:  Para 311 is contract is subject to approval of the government in view of any LP and TAC [PAC?]

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah

Niira Radia:  And para 316 refers to the TSC that (sic) entered into on the 12th of April and…..uh…. price will be a factor which will be subject to that approval

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok great… so..( laughs)… the same para.. (laughs) again figures in both the arguments … hai na?

Niira Radia:  Yeah

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: 316… Haan to that’s fine I think these things are bound to be there….. Achchha what is the other thing about …uh… some uh penalty…and whatever uh this one was saying…uh Jaipal (unclear) was saying…. (not clear)

Niira Radia:  You see…his… I saw that on your ticker I think you people are saying that the government may …uuhh

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: ...Penalize… or whatever

Niira Radia:  (inaudible) ...Penalty on us for having signed the MoU in the first place

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Hmmm

Niira Radia:  Because we were not… we can not find a penal…. sign an MoU which asset doesn’t belong to us, naa, effectively

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah

Niira Radia:  How can we give gas that doesn’t belong to us?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok

Niira Radia:  But I would not think they’ll give me a ..give us a penalty… I think ….. uh… they will rap us.. rap us on our knuckles by saying: Why did you do this?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok.. so..

Niira Radia:  But I have a feeling that the government is going to tell Mukesh Ambani: Who were you to sign this agreement?… It didn't belong to you

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok.. yeah but…uh

Niira Radia:  (inaudible) By the way Amar Singh has come back huh

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Oh, my god!

Niira Radia:  Because Anil has not been able to get the EGoMs appointed… He’s been running around prime minister and nobody is giving him time

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Huh uh

Niira Radia:  Amar Singh has come back and the excuse he is giving is that… uh.. he's come back for ….uh…nine days to do his will and all that and that he will be going back on the 9th of July

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ooh

Niira Radia: (inaudible)… he couldn’t do… it couldn’t do his transplant because he had high blood sugar

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: haan haan

Niira Radia:  His bloodplant… uh…his transplant didn't happen

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: haan haan

Niira Radia:  Sooo… Anil has called him back to help him with the Prime Minister’s inter… intervention but I don’t expect Prime Minister to intervene

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: But does his health permit him to travel and all? .. I thought...

Niira Radia:  (unclear) Anil Ambani’s private jet ... he came

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Oh (unclear)

Niira Radia:  Full medical care…with full medical care and all that

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Hunnn. Ok fine I’ll.. I’ll tell this to the people concerned

Niira Radia: Yeah, he came back today

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Meanwhile there is some funny thing about Raja… you know.. did you read that uh.. you know.. Times of India report today uh

Niira Radia:  Yeah! Is that Raja? Is the minister is it?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ye.. ye.. yeah.. so they are saying that now the Chief Justice of India and others want this to be taken seriously. You know.. uh.. at least earlier …that… uh.. you know we had this Bhardwaj [as law minister] ... Bhardwaj used to.. you know.. deal with him differently…. But now you know with Moily … he will just not.. you know.. take any chances…. And they it seems... they want the prime minister to pull him up

Niira Radia:  But what has happened exactly?…. The Raja asked the uh high court to do something.. is it? I didn't read the (unclear)

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: To say that you know … the to give him whatever you know.. (unclear) the benefit of doubt in that case or whatever...

Niira Radia:  Good God…. And what was the case about ?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: That’s what …uh.. they are saying that its linked to…uhh…. Spectrum and all

(inaudible 2 seconds)

Niira Radia:  Is it?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah..uh.. I am not sure… This is all supposed to happening in that… Chennai ..(inaudible).. so I … I have..

Niira Radia:  Why would… uh.. Why would the Spectrum case be up in Chennai? … It would never come up in Chennai

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: I don’t know … maybe some ….uh.. litigant.. somebody planted some thing...

Niira Radia:  (unclear) ….Said he wanted him to be released on anticipatory bail! That’s what I’m reading now

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: That is, that is ..what the judge… the judge had said.. uhh… He should be given an anticipatory bail

Niira Radia:  huh

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: so I don’t know whether this is the handiwork of somebody there or …(muted utterance)

Niira Radia:  Must be Maran only no ?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Possible! In fact the first suspicion is that… so .. But first of all .. I mean.. Would ..uh somebody be … you know.. so stupid enough to make a call and all….uh… I … uh.. I am wondering now!

Niira Radia:  I don’t think so! Must be ..uh.. the only person this can be is…uhh…. Your..uhh..this one.. Anbumani

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok… oh… he could be ?

Niira Radia:  Yeah I think it could be Anbumani

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ooh kk… uhhh… anyway…. I thought those people were down and out

Niira Radia:  But this was in last government naa?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Oh

Niira Radia:  Not in this current government na?

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Haan haan haan..

Niira Radia:  No, no... it is in this government … yeah yeah it's in this government… then to it must be only one of these fellows

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Hmmm

Niira Radia:  Lemme find out from my DMK friends… I’ve been so busy with gas I haven’t been able to check up… lemme find out with these guys what it is

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Yeah yeah…. After the budget I thought someday we should …. You know.. I should go and see Kani … you know on the …uh… good uh suggestions that she is making.. yeah

Niira Radia:  yeah… I’ll I’ll …I’ll set up your meeting with her

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Sure

Niira Radia:  She is back in …uh… Delhi on… uhhh… second

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Ok great. (unclear interruption) yeah yeah that’s right that session ….session is starting na so ..

Niira Radia:  Yeah… so you go and meet her naa

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Sure Sure… I will do that ….. when you advice I’ll do that

Niira Radia:  You tell me …I’ll set up a time for you

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Preferably after budget will be much more you know… (unclear) these three four days will be quite hectic… after that…

Niira Radia:  Fair enough

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: …After that it’ll be absolutely ok… haan

Niira Radia: Fair enough

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: Next day… Wednesday ….whenever I mean…uh.. that’s not a problem

Niira Radia:  (inaudible interrupted utterance)

G. Ganapathy Subramaniam: There is one more thing I want… ok this Profit [NDTV Profit] had run something saying … Supreme court today or whatever

Niira Radia:  Everyday they run something ….uhhh you know… every day they run something … Seriously even we’ve not taken a decision …. Everyday they run something...

Transcribed by Siddharth K and checked by OL. Some of the technical terms -- what has been transcribed as TAC or PAC and LP -- in this transcript need cross-checking

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