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#50 Rajathi Ammal: Jun 13, 2009 11:47:40

Third “wife” of Karunanidhi and mother of DMK MP, Kanimozhi on the Voltas connection and building on TRIL land

#50 Rajathi Ammal: Jun 13, 2009 11:47:40
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Niira Radia: Hello

Ratnam: Yeah, morning Madam.

Niira Radia:  haan, haan namaskaaraa

Ratnam: Madam (Rajathiammal, third “wife” of Karunanidhi and mother of DMK MP, Kanimozhi) baat karna chahti hai

Niira Radia: Haan, haan, diijiiye

Ratnam: de duun?

Niira Radia:  haan haan, please ok (whispers to someone nearby: Karunanidhi ke ghar se)— call is being transferred (she takes a deep breath: "oh I am so sorry") call connects— Hello how are you?

Rajathiammal: Hello, I am fine, how are you

Niira Radia:  I am so sorry, I'm fine, I have not been in touch, I am busy! How are you?

Rajathiammal: Hmmmm fine.

Niira Radia:  Yeah, keeping better?

Rajathiammal: ummm

Niira Radia:  Good, good, good. How is CM (Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi)

Rajathiammal: (mumbles) aahhh fine fine

Niira Radia:  OK. Good, very good. Kani (Kanimozhi), Kani, I met last week, I didn’t meet her this week. Kani is in Chennai?

Rajathiammal: ahh yes.

Niira Radia:  She's come back no? How are things? (Rajathi mumbles again) Good. How are things?

Rajathiammal: mumbles something inaudible 

Niira Radia:  Haan? (silence for sometime)

Rajathiammal: (barely managing to blurt out:) what happened?

Niira Radia: To?

Rajathiammal: aaahh

Niira Radia:  Tata?

Rajathiammal: Ah, yes

Niira Radia: Not done?

Rajathiammal: No, not done

Niira Radia:  Ratnam there?

Rajathiammal: Yes.

Niira Radia:  I will talk, let me speak to him. I thought it was all done

Rajathiammal: (voice low) yes, ummm (hands over to Ratnam)

Niira Radia:  Hi Ratnam

Ratnam: Hi Madam

Niira Radia:  What happened its not done?

Ratnam: No Madam, it's not done. That's why I just gave you a message, no madam.

Niira Radia:  I didn’t get a message.

Ratnam: Madam?

Niira Radia:  I got a new mobile, you know I changed my mobile.  I thought you got my mobile. You don’t have my new mobile number?

Ratnam: I am talking to you on that mobile only na? Same mobile he (?) also tried no?

Niira Radia:  No, no, this is my regular mobile, this is my 107. The other one, my indicom, my indicom 

Ratnam: Tata Indicom ... You've changed your mobile ma'm?

Niira Radia: Yeah 0925000

Ratnam: 25000

Niira Radia: 8888

Ratnam: No, this (new number) has not been given to us.

Niira Radia:  No, no, I had told Cecilia last week itself. I said please send it.

Ratnam: You know Cecelia is totally ... last one week, has not  been in touch.

Niira Radia:  No, no, I will tell you why. Her mother, her mother’s is in hospital.

Ratnam: yeah, that I know.

Niira Radia:  She’s been very sick. So that’s why Cecilia has been a little problematic.

Ratnam: ummm, ummmm. But you said no, you yourself had done.

Niira Radia: Yeah!

Ratnam: But that has not come. That’s why I sent a message.

Niira Radia:  (short silence) I cant believe it, is it?

Ratnam: Yeah madam, yeah madam

Niira Radia: That can’t be possible

Ratnam: No ma'm, it has not come.

Niira Radia:  (short silence) What about Tatas? What's happening on that?

Ratnam: Ma'm, Tata everything’s ok, but this rent 50 percent, yesterday I got a mail, that’s why yesterday also I tried you.

Niira Radia: Haan.

Ratnam: This agreement, they say that 50 percent of the rent has to be paid by us. For which I have already sent a mail to Krishna Kumar [Krishna Kumar, Director, Tata Sons, and one of key aides of Ratan Tata, and also Chairman, Tata Realty and Infrastructure Ltd] stating that its not possible. Then I made a call to Krishna Kumar, he did not picked up (sic) and then I called Sanjay Ubhalia (Managing Director, Tata Realty and Infrastructure ltd)

Niira Radia: Haan.

Ratnam: He says that he will take up the issue with Krishna Kumar and sort it out.

Niira Radia:  No, but when you were in Bombay, it was agreed that no rent and—

Ratnam: Everything was clearly agreed and Krishna Kumar also said that he will talk to Voltas(a Tata Group company) and he will waive that. But yesterday I tried ten times to call Krishna Kumar and he didn’t pick up, and he was in a meeting it seems.

Niira Radia:  No, No yesterday there was a board meeting of Indian Hotels and the annual results were being announced, and also they were in the middle of buying Sea Rock Hotel in Bombay, you know?

Ratnam: Hmmm

Niira Radia: So that’s why it was very difficult to reach him yesterday.

Ratnam: yeah, yeah, that’s why I called you , I wanted to tell you this yesterday.

Niira Radia:  No, I will speak to him, ahh Ratnam, I will speak to him Monday, because you know today he is not there, he has gone with the Chairman (Ratan Tata). I hope he hasn’t gone, he was supposed to travel to the US today

Ratnam: Who, mam'?

Niira Radia: Krishna Kumar was supposed to travel to US today.

Ratnam: No ma'm, only one day, Thursday only he come back, na madam?

Niira Radia:  No, no, he has gone again. He is going with his Chairman today.

Ratnam: Is it, ma'm? Yeah, yeah, he was scheduled to travel this morning by Air India

Ratnam—oh!

Niira Radia: Let me check, let me check. I will have a word with ma'm. But on the other matter I am surrprised!

Ratnam: Yes, Ma'm, that’s why I am repeatedly calling Cecilia, and that mobile is totally switched off.

Niira Radia:  ummmmm ahhhh, let me talk to her. I will talk to her and, you got my other number na?

Ratnam: I got your number, that number is now your....

Niira Radia:  Yeah, yeah, do me a favour Ratnam. Give me a missed call on that number from your phone.

Ratnam: yeah, yeah

You don’t have any other phone Ratnam?

Ratnam: I have Madam. Give me a missed call from that number na, which is...

(trails off) 


Transcribed by Dheeraj T and Girish Nikam, and checked by OL. Girish Nikam also provides some context and background to this conversation

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