'We Have Evidence. Good Evidence'

(Also participating was Gen. Richard B. Myers, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff.)

Rumsfeld: Good morning. The United States and the international community have made every effort to avoid war.Diplomacy and sanctions over more than a decade have not worked. And now, by rejecting President Bush'sultimatum, the Iraqi regime has chosen military conflict over peaceful disarmament.

Coalition forces hit a senior Iraqi leadership compound last evening. The damage assessment on the compoundis pending. That was the first. It will likely not be the last. The days of the Saddam Hussein regime arenumbered. We continue to feel that there's no need for a broader conflict if the Iraqi leaders act to savethemselves and to prevent such further conflict.

What will follow will not be a repeat of any other conflict. It will be of a force and scope and scale thathas been beyond what has been seen before. The Iraqi soldiers and officers must ask themselves whether theywant to die fighting for a doomed regime or do they want to survive, help the Iraqi people in the liberationof their country and play a role in a new, free Iraq.

If Saddam Hussein or his generals issue orders to use weapons of mass destruction, whether on coalitionforces, Free Iraqi Forces, neighboring countries or innocent Iraqi civilians as they have done before, thoseorders should not be followed. Do not follow orders to destroy dams or flood villages. Do not follow orders todestroy your country's oil, which is the Iraqi people's, and they will need it to rebuild their country whenthat regime is gone. Following such orders would be to commit crimes against the Iraqi people. See thoseorders for what they are -- the last desperate gasp of a dying regime. Those who follow orders to commit suchcrimes will be found and they will be punished. War crimes will be prosecuted, and it will be no excuse tosay, "I was just following orders." Any official involved in such crimes will forfeit hope ofamnesty or leniency with respect to past actions.

Military units that want to live and act with honor should listen to coalition radio broadcasts to receiveinstructions as to how you may demonstrate that you do not intend to fight. You will have a place in a freeIraq if you do the right thing. But if you follow Saddam Hussein's orders, you will share his fate. And thechoice is yours.

To the Iraqi people, let me say that the day of your liberation will soon be at hand. Coalition forces willtake every precaution to protect innocent civilians. Once hostilities begin, stay in your homes and listen tocoalition radio stations for instructions on what to do to remain safe and out of the line of fire. Iraqicivilians: Do not go to work. Stay away from military targets and any facilities where Saddam Hussein hasmoved military assets.

Arrangements are being made to care for refugees and displaced persons inside of Iraq. There is no need forIraqis to flee across their borders into neighboring countries. Listen for instructions on how to get food,water and medical supplies. Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people. And once Saddam Hussein's regime is removed, weintend to see that functional and political authority is placed in the hands of Iraqis as quickly as ispossible. Coalition forces will stay only as long as necessary to finish the job, and not a day longer.

Let me say a word about our coalition. Already more than 35 nations have publicly associated themselveswith the coalition effort in Iraq, and that does not include a large number of other countries that arehelping in very important ways but some of which prefer to do so privately at this time. As with the case inAfghanistan, our policy is to accept help from countries on a basis that is comfortable to them and let themcharacterize how, in fact, they are helping the coalition.

As the operation unfolds, the number of countries publicly associating themselves with the coalition islikely to grow, just as it has with Operation Enduring Freedom. The coalition in Iraq includes countries fromevery part of the world, including a large number of Muslim-majority countries. Some are supporting the effortpublicly; others are doing so privately.

This is not a war against a people. It is not a war against a country. It is most certainly not a waragainst a religion. It is a war against a regime.

Many countries have committed combat and combat support forces to the effort in Iraq. Others are providingaccess, basing, overflight, refueling, force protection and intelligence-sharing. Still others have pledged toparticipate in stability operations and post-Saddam reconstruction efforts. When the situation on the groundpermits, the humanitarian activities will go forward promptly. Each coalition member is playing a criticalrole in the liberation of a repressed people and the disarmament of a dangerous regime.

Finally, to those in our government, let me say a word about security of operational details. It'sessential that everyone with access to classified operational details exercise discipline. There is no excusefor anyone revealing sensitive information that will almost certainly put the lives of men and women inuniform at risk. At a time when coalition forces are poised for battle, any compromise of classifiedinformation that gives the enemy knowledge of the positions of our forces or the plans or the timing of futureoperations can result in the death of coalition servicemen and -women. Don't do it.

Let me close by saying that war is the last choice; let there be no doubt. The American people can takecomfort in knowing that their country has done everything humanly possible to avoid war and to secure Iraq'speaceful disarmament. We have the greatest fighting forces on the face of the Earth. Our nation is blessed tohave so many brave men and women who voluntarily risk their lives to protect our country. As they prepare forbattle, the prayers of all Americans are with them and with their families.

The coalition against Iraq, called Operation Iraqi Freedom, is large and growing. This is not a unilateralaction, as is being characterized in the media. Indeed, the coalition in this activity is larger than thecoalition that existed during the Gulf War in 1991. And that coalition -- those forces are ready and they willprevail. The Iraqi regime will be removed, and with it, the threat it poses to this country and to the world.

General Myers?

Myers: Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

Let me add just a few remarks to what the secretary said about operation security. As we approachlarge-scale operations, our responsibility is to give the troops the best opportunity for success and toprotect their lives as best as possible. There are military preparatory actions that need to be accomplishedbefore any major attack. That said, we still want to preserve tactical surprise as much as possible. So wewill not confirm or deny any preparatory actions, whether accurate or inaccurate. We will acknowledge theobvious if those actions become visible, but give little details, as the secretary just did on the strike onan Iraqi leadership target. Many of these preparatory actions in the hours ahead are vital to the lives of ourtroops and the safety and security of Iraq's neighbors. I know our nation and our friends and allies willunderstand and support these efforts.

There's been much talk about how easy this conflict could be. Let me assure you that we do not regardcombat as an easy task. Warfare is dangerous, we will have casualties. But I'll tell you that our troops arethe best trained and the best led in the world. They understand their mission to defend America, and they willcarry out their mission successfully.

Let me reassure you that when full-scale combat operations begin, we will make the appropriate announcementand provide information on some of those preparatory actions that were accomplished.

Finally, to join in with the secretary, we wish Godspeed to all the soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines,Coast Guardsmen, and civilians from the U.S. and our coalition forces who may find themselves in harm's way.

With that, we'll take your questions.

General Myers, you had said earlier that Saddam Hussein is not a target of the war. How do you reconcilethat with the first strikes being cruise missile strikes on where Saddam Hussein might be?

Myers: Regime leadership command and control is a legitimate target in any conflict, and that was the target thatwas struck last night.

Rumsfeld: Charlie?

Mr. Secretary, two quick ones, if I may. Did you have information --

Rumsfeld: With all this crowd, why don't we just try one?

All right. You said a leadership compound was struck. Did you have information Saddam might have beenthere? And quickly, there are also reports from southern Iraq that oil fires have begun. Is there any information that the Iraqis might have begun setting their oil fields on fire?

Rumsfeld: I thought we agreed on just one.

All right, let's go with the oil one.

Rumsfeld: We're not on the ground. I have seen indication and reports from people that there may be -- that the Iraqiregime may have set fire to as many as three or four of the oil wells in the south. And we're in the processof attempting to get additional information on that.

(To General Myers) Is that your information as well?

Myers: That's correct.

Do you plan to try and move quickly to stop that, if --

Rumsfeld: Needless to say, it is a crime for that regime to be destroying the riches of the Iraqi people. And -- but I'mnot going to get into operational details.

Myers: And the people that are carrying it out from the regime are part of that crime.

When you --

Myers: Are part of that crime.

Are what, sir?

Myers: They're part of that crime, the people that are carrying this out, carrying these orders out.

Rumsfeld: Yes?

Mr. Secretary, if indeed we missed Saddam last night, what does that do to the Iraqi spirit? And does itprovide an early propaganda victory for the regime?

Rumsfeld: You know, I'm not into the tick-tock of every hour and every minute. We have a serious task before us and itis to remove that regime and find the weapons of mass destruction, and replace it with a government that doesnot want those weapons and will not threaten its neighbor and will maintain a single country. This is aprocess that takes some time, and it will ebb and flow. And when it's over, the regime will be gone.

Mr. Secretary, you and other officials have emphasized how massive the actual attack on Iraq will beonce it starts, urging the Iraqi military not to fight. Is it also your hope that some elements of themilitary might remove Saddam themselves? And how would you assess the chance of that?

Rumsfeld: I don't think it's possible to assess the chances, but there's no question that the people of Iraq and thepeople of the region have to know that his days are numbered, he's not going to be there. In some period oftime, he's gone and that regime is gone, to the great benefit of the Iraqi people. They'll be liberated. Thereare various ways it could happen. One way is that the people of Iraq close to him could decide that he's nolonger of value to the country -- which would be the understatement of the morning. He could decide it's timeto leave and he'd prefer to stay alive and find a way to escape.

There will be Iraqis that will surrender. There will be Iraqis that offer to help us. There will be Iraqiswho offer not only to help us but to help liberate the country and to free the Iraqi people. The more of themthere are, the greater the chance that the war will be limited and less broad.

Rumsfeld: The fewer there are, the risks that it will be broader and more difficult, take more time, and more lives willbe lost.

Mr. Secretary, what evidence do you have that it's actually working, that there are actually Iraqis whoare heeding this call to --

Rumsfeld: We have evidence.

And what sort of evidence is that?

Rumsfeld: Good evidence.

Yes?

Mr. Secretary, do you have reason to believe that Saddam Hussein was at the compound that was strucklast night, or his sons, for that matter?

Rumsfeld: We had what I would characterize as very good intelligence that it was a senior Iraqi leadershipcompound. We do not know what the battle damage assessment will be when that type of information is availableto us. We -- and I'll leave it right there.

Pam?

Mr. Secretary, at about the same time that this strike began in Iraq, there was a new assault launchedin southern Afghanistan, involving several thousand troops from 82nd Airborne. Is that a coincidence, or isthat an intentional message to show that this war in Iraq is not taking away any attention from the waragainst al Qaeda?

Rumsfeld: Well, I don't know that I'd say there's a connection.

Rumsfeld: It isn't taking anything away from the war against al Qaeda. And indeed the pressure will be helpful becausethere have been and are al Qaeda in that country.

Myers: It is a separate operation, it is not connected, and would have been coincidence.

Rumsfeld: We're going to have this question and then your question, and then that'll be it.

Mr. Secretary, do you believe in fact that the man on the tape that was run on Iraqi TV last night was,in fact, Saddam Hussein?

Rumsfeld: There is debate about that. I have no inside information.

Have you seen any indication that his son, Uday, has taken control of the country?

Rumsfeld: No.

Mr. Secretary, at the White House last night, a senior White House official after the president spokesaid that the decision to make the strike was made some time between 6:30 and 7:00 Eastern time. It's apparentthat that decision to strike was not in line with what we have been led to believe about the war plan. Was theintelligence you got fragile enough where you felt you had to go at that moment and not start with, say, shockand awe or some other phase of the war?

Rumsfeld: Well, Dick, calibrate me, but the first thing I'd say is I don't believe you have the war plan -- (laughter)-- a fact which does not make me unhappy. (Laughter.)

Second, any war plan reflects the reality that one would take opportunities that present themselves. Andcertainly, there's no war -- a war plan is something that is a plan that's developed before things start. Andthe minute things start, one has to take account of the realities that you find in the world. And that is whatwas done last evening. That is what will be done today and tomorrow and the next day. And to not do that wouldbe a terrible mistake.

Myers: Having intel agencies and armed forces that are flexible is key to victory, and that's what you saw.

Rumsfeld: I really -- really wasn't kidding when I said I think that that will be the last question.

Let me just make a comment. I did not answer a question as fully as I might have about do we have evidencethat it's working. I often try to put myself in other people's shoes and ask myself, in this case, forexample, an Iraqi citizen or Iraqi army soldier or an Iraqi officer, or even a Special Republican Guardofficial, or even people closer to Saddam Hussein. What they have to be seeing is a good deal of evidence thatthe Iraqi people want to be liberated. We see a great deal of evidence of that. It's a natural human tendencyfor people that have been brutally repressed. It manifests itself in a host of ways. We see evidence ofmilitary personnel, some have already surrendered in Kuwait. We are in communication with still more peoplewho are officials of the military at various levels -- the regular army, the Special Republican -- theRepublican Guard, the Special Republican Guard, who are increasingly aware that it's going to happen, he'sgoing to be gone.

And what they are probably doing -- I can't do this perfectly, but as I try to put myself in their shoes --they have to be fearful of that regime because that regime kills people every day to enforce obedience anddiscipline. So they have to be fearful of the regime. On the other hand, once they are persuaded that thatregime is history, it is going, it will not be there, in some reasonably finite period of time they will begone, then their behavior begins to tip and change. And the -- when I said we have good evidence, we have notonly good evidence but we have broad and deep evidence that suggests that there are people going through thatdecision-making process throughout that country today, and that is a good thing.

Thank you very much.