Post a Comment
Share your thoughts
You are not logged in, please log in or register
Must See
Daily Mail
Digression
Order by

1/D-158
Mar 26, 2012
08:16 PM

Soon after the story broke out our Defense Minister said the matter is serious !!  My God what kind of government we have elected?  Can we kick ourselves in behind?  Did our Defense Minister think Mr. Singh was joking when he first brought the matter up?  Now that he came out in media, all of a sudden the matter became serious?

Stupid parties are blaming Mr. Singh for not filing a court case?  When your boss keeps mum about it would you go over your boss's head?, especially when you were only six months in your new position?  That is what our political parties are encouraging?

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
2/D-171
Mar 26, 2012
09:07 PM

No institution has been spared,India will end up a disaster Thanks to its very own people

wrongone, chennai
3/D-178
Mar 26, 2012
09:29 PM

 Saint Antony shows himself as the 'Emperor with no clothes'.  Why didn't Antony act for 2 long years?

bharat, delhi
4/D-180
Mar 26, 2012
09:33 PM

 I always wondered how a bunch of British traders could conquer a nation of millions and rule from across the ocean for hundreds of years.

Looking at today's state of rulers, it is apparent that it is actually quite easy - all you need are Jai Chands in important ministries and they will do the work for you.

bharat, delhi
5/D-181
Mar 26, 2012
09:49 PM

It is being said on TV the Tatra costs Rs 40 Lacs to Bharat Earth Movers Govt if India U/T who sells to Army for Rs 1 Crore !!

a k ghai
mumbai, India
6/D-182
Mar 26, 2012
09:57 PM

TV News :

Army Chief Reported to Defence Minister about 18 months back or 5 months back as the time of this Bribe offering incident is not yet confirmed.

Hence the Defence Minister was in the know for all these months .

When the News broke out on TV by then no action seems to have been taken of C -in- C Report. At 15.30 hrs while Defence Minister was in LokSabha the CBI said that they have no written Report so they can't act on it .Within half hour CBI said they have received the written complaint to go ahead .

So the question arises why there is time lag of 5 months or 18 months in lodging the compalint by the Ministry ??

a k ghai
mumbai, India
7/D-184
Mar 26, 2012
10:12 PM

>> "Asked in one of the interviews why he did not get the person arrested, Gen V K Singh said he could not understand the import of the statement and that is why he did not act against him".

Gen. Singh may be liable for criminal prosecution if he did not report the bribe immediately to the police. The Defence Minister's lapse too must be probed. By reporting the bribe to the Defence Minister, the general did not absolve himself of his duty to file a criminal complaint.

The fact that the general talked about it to a newspaper reporter and created a public scandal is not good for our military forces and their morale. His taking the age issue to the Supreme Court and his talking to "The Hindu" about the bribe are examples of his being a loose cannon. He should be removed from his present post.

Anwaar, Dallas
8/D-186
Mar 26, 2012
10:14 PM

I don't know why this is news. Now, the breaking news should be about govt. dept. that **haven't** taken bribes. I am not at all surprised that the Army chief was offered a bribe. Hell, even our PM is a disposable puppet.

Amit, Tucson
9/D-194
Mar 26, 2012
10:42 PM

Antony like Manmohan is honesty personified.

Now it is not the fault of Antony or the servant in chief if their boss and her family are engaged in the loot as is their birth right. After all, the family has sacrificed so much for the country.

Pradip Singh, STAFFORD
10/D-195
Mar 26, 2012
10:50 PM

"reported the matter to Defence Minister A K Antony, who "banged" his head and replied that such people should be kept out."

Instead of taking any action against that person, Antony was just following his boss's act of keeping him at "arm's length"
 

Maha, NJ
11/D-201
Mar 26, 2012
11:15 PM

>> He should be removed from his present post. 

The only person  that gave some hope that ther are still a few good people who manage to reach key positions inspite of our culture of corruption was the general  .

The important news here is the reach of corruption and that  the chief was offered bribe directly and more importantly him  declining to accept the bribe and bringning it up to the minister .. who basically "bangs his head" and says "such people should be kept out" - may be he was referring to the chief not the one who offered the bribe -  which our "team seculars" have taken upon themselves to sell to the people.

pradeep, chennai
12/D-21
Mar 27, 2012
12:52 AM

 Our forum idiot once again displays his phenomenally undescribable stupidity! Man you should be ashamed of yourself. The army chief reports a bribe to the defense minister and you want him to go to thana? Where is your head? do you have one? can you get a check done? or has all the jihadi talk and congress chamchgiri caused the loss of that tint lil brain you had. Can't offer an opinion either way I always knew you as an idiot.

Srinivas, Lucknow
13/D-22
Mar 27, 2012
12:55 AM

Srinivas,

You are just a snake and a retard!

Anwaar, Dallas
14/D-29
Mar 27, 2012
02:42 AM

To Srinivas - Calling someone an idiot is not an argument or make a point.  Please desist from calling people names and cast aspersions on a person's religion.  If you don't have anything useful to say, just leave it at that.

P. K. George, Houston
15/D-61
Mar 27, 2012
09:19 AM

Anwaar,

While we are it, you should recommend dismissal of the CAG chief too. Looks like the loyalty to the Gandhi family has totally shrunk your brain in that it cannot see beyond the chappals of Amul baby and co.

Please have some shame.

Amit, Tucson
16/D-62
Mar 27, 2012
09:28 AM

>>Gen. Singh may be liable for criminal prosecution if he did not report the bribe immediately to the police.

Suppose an honest bureaucrat is offered a bribe. He subsequently informs his superiors and the minister who do nothing. According to some, the honest bureaucrat should be liable for criminal prosecution because he didn’t go to the police!

It is clear why moral standards have deteriorated so much in this country. Our moral gatekeepers will hound out honest people but those in power who allow loot and rape of the nation will be shamefully defended with excuses such as ‘coalition compulsions’.
 

RSM, Delhi
17/D-85
Mar 27, 2012
12:25 PM

Amit,

>>  Looks like the loyalty to the Gandhi family has totally ....

Are you stupid? What does the Gandhi family have to do with this case?  My view is that the Army Chief is behaving in a way that is improper and ill-advised and making headlines for issues which should be handled discreetly. If you have a different view, do express it instead of making inane comments.

Anwaar, Dallas
18/D-86
Mar 27, 2012
12:30 PM

>>  He subsequently informs his superiors and the minister who do nothing.

The general and the minister tacitly conspired to sit on it. But why should we blame the general when there is a Congress minister available to put the whole blame on? Anti-Congress politicking is all that you guys know!

Anwaar, Dallas
19/D-87
Mar 27, 2012
12:39 PM

>>The general and the minister tacitly conspired to sit on it.

Keep on pulling stuff out of your posterior if it makes you happy!

RSM, Delhi
20/D-96
Mar 27, 2012
12:51 PM

RSM,

>> Keep on pulling stuff out of your posterior if it makes you happy!

As soon as you run out of your arguments, your breeding shows up!

Anwaar, Dallas
21/D-110
Mar 27, 2012
02:45 PM

>>As soon as you run out of your arguments, your breeding shows up!

I just stated a fact - a word which was never taught to cheerleaders of the spineless and the clueless.

RSM, Delhi
22/D-114
Mar 27, 2012
03:18 PM

Now more facts and some corrected :

Bharat Earth Movers a PSU and Army both are under the Defence Minister Mr Anthony.

BMEL gets Check Trucks Tatra @ Rs 40 Lacs and sells to Army @ Rs 110 lacs
=Net profit Rs 70 lacs .
Why this unreasonably high enrichment of another Govt Org under the same Ministry ??

Some thing fishy .Was Military Auditor Branch is sleeping ??

Cost of 660 vehicles @ Rs110 lac per vehicle = Rs 72600 lacs.

Tatra gets much less than 2640 lacs Plus profits from future Repairs and spares .

We had two Taras in our Organization .Wonder full all terrain Air Cooled Vehicle .But Air Cooling does not match the extreme Indian summer conditions .Repairs ? We have to train the Engineers in Chezk Republic. Problem is with the spares which are highly costly and difficult to get .Out of two Tatra one was grounded to cannibalize for spares.Spares consumption go high with the extensive use .

We can understand enormous problems of the Army using 7000 Vehicles.

No other Vehicle can match Tatra in this price Range of Rs 40 lacs per unit.Seems that Army is not happy with these Vehicle due frequent breakdowns which is the main draw back with these machines plus problematic cooling in roasting summers of North and Rajsthan causes fatigue to operator sitting in Tandoor like conditions.It is not that C in C who tharashes or approves the performance of any Machine but it is the Ground Formations who decides if the Machine is suiatble or not for their Ops .

Gen. V K Singh had promised while taking over the Charge that he will ensure to cleanse the corruption within the Army .He did yeoman service .But he is now hemmed from all sides for this as the beneficiaries have stricken back.

It was the time the Govt should have stood like a rock behind the General who was clearing the Augustan Stables of the corruption .Unfortunately that does not seems to be .

But this is not end of the muck .We will hear more and more on this bribe issue.

Wished if genuinely honest and clean Minister Anthony had immediately moves in CBI when the General reported offer of bribe.
Incidentally we should remember that Anthony has total net worth of Rs 35 lacs.

Why the General and Anthony both honest men could not fight the battle together .Regrettable .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
23/D-8
Mar 28, 2012
01:47 AM

 Anwaar , 

when General V.K.Singh with an impeccable record refuses to take it lying down from the government on legitimate issues ( corruption , nepotism ) with proof on his side you say he is a loose canon and these things should be taken care of behind closed doors discreetly and he should be punished for going public - for protocols are more important for you than the reason behind the act  - In this instance even when he has complained to his political master ( as he was expected to based on army rules )  you are saying he "conspired" to sit on it and the politicians are not to blame  

When an IPS officer , read Sanjiv Bhatt,  with criminal behaviour makes unsupported claims against a chief minister of the state and claiming he was in a meeting when he was not supposed to be and discussing with media items which are supposed to be confidential you applaud his bravery and his secular credentials  , it doesnt matter how long he was sitting on it even assuming his claim was true - even when his witness ( driver ) has failed to pass scrutiny .

i know you will find a way to split hair and explain the difference in these two scenarios but as long as the seculars refuse to treat issues based on merit rather than based on what is at stake for their personal agenda , they will continue to be inconsistent as they are now .Only reason I can think of for them to continue in this path , is that the seculars realize they have nothing to loose as there is no  credibility for any of their arguments to be taken seriously .

pradeep, chennai
24/D-13
Mar 28, 2012
03:58 AM

Pradeep,

>>  even when he has complained to his political master.

He did not complain. He informed the minister, but also told the minister that he did not want to pursue the matter. Comparision with the Bhatt case does not hold water.

Anwaar, Dallas
25/D-43
Mar 28, 2012
07:50 AM

>> He did not complain. He informed the minister

He didn't learn the art of whining like a stuck pig in a Madrassa.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
26/D-45
Mar 28, 2012
07:51 AM

>> but also told the minister that he did not want to pursue the matter

Did he also ask the minister not to pursue the matter? And does Antony have a brain of his own or not?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
27/D-55
Mar 28, 2012
09:41 AM

Anwaar,

Gen. Singh informed the minister, which is what he should have done. If he had gone ahead and filed the FIR, then he would have been accused of bypassing the civilian authority. It was more incumbent on Anthony to pursue the case. As for the issue about Gandhi family, well your affinity towards Congress is derived from your loyalty towards the family. That loyalty has thoroughly corrupted your mind so that anyone/everyone opposing the congress is either an RSS man or of a questionable character. I am surprised, however, that you haven't labeled Gen Singh as a closet sanghi. Thanks god for small mercies!

Amit, Tucson
28/D-65
Mar 28, 2012
10:31 AM

Amit,

>> Gen. Singh informed the minister, which is what he should have done. If he had gone ahead and filed the FIR, then he would have been accused of bypassing the civilian authority.

He should have done both.

>> It was more incumbent on Anthony to pursue the case.

Only the general could have filed the FIR.  Joe Paterno, Penn State coach informed his boss about Sandusky's sexual perversion, and yet Paterno was charged for not informing the police.

>> your affinity towards Congress is derived from your loyalty towards the family.

Rubbish. My "affinity" is away from BJP/RSS rather than towards Congress.

Anwaar, Dallas
29/D-70
Mar 28, 2012
10:52 AM

>> Only the general could have filed the FIR.

Anthony could have ordered a CBI inquiry as he has done now, when the issue has exploded in his face.

But why bother when jehadi scoundrels are ready to provide excuses.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
30/D-114
Mar 28, 2012
02:38 PM

Anwaar,

 What nonsense are you talking about! This is not a criminal case. If the Army chief had filed the FIR bypassing the minister, he would have been asked why he didn't follow the proper channel. And, on what basis would he file the case? On the basis of a conversation where, as the chief says, it was cleverly and indirectly hinted at? On top of that, the minister asks for a written complaint! As if this was some roadside rascal making that claim. Does the Army chief need to furnish a written complaint before his claim is taken seriously? Just this stupid reasoning would have convinced Singh about how serious Antony was in pursuing the case. He has done an excellent job in breaking this news to the media. At least, the whole country knows what goes on behind the closed doors. He shares some blame in not taking action earlier, but this is far outweighed by his probity and his courage in speaking the truth.

And please no more comparison with the system in the US. In the US, every high ranked official has a strong independent streak and is answerable to its constituency and not to some family. Forget poor Anthony, even our PM is a dolly!

Amit, Tucson
31/D-5
Mar 29, 2012
01:07 AM

Amit,

>> This is not a criminal case.

An attempt to bribe the Chief of the Army is a criminal case.

Anwaar, Dallas
32/D-127
Mar 29, 2012
04:38 PM

“Asked in one of the interviews why he did not get the person arrested, Gen V K Singh said he could not understand the import of the statement and that is why he did not act against him.”

He didn’t say that, you liar! He said he didn’t get what he was saying immediately as the bribe was not offered in a straightforward manner, which is logical because sometime during a conversation, you sense something is not right but you are able to pinpoint it only when you replay the conversation and analyze it later. And as soon as Gen Singh realized it was a veiled bribe offer, he reported it to his boss.

“Gen. Singh may be liable for criminal prosecution if he did not report the bribe immediately to the police.”

He should’ve gone to a thana?? You moron? He went to his boss, didn’t he?

“The Defense Minister's lapse too must be probed. He (Singh) should be removed from his present post.”

So if defense minister was also wrong, why are you not asking him to be removed from his present post as well? Would you have reacted in a similar manner if it were a BJP govt?

“The general and the minister tacitly conspired to sit on it.”

Then why are you asking for Gen Singh’s removal only?

“He did not complain. He informed the minister, but also told the minister that he did not want to pursue the matter.”

If you are head of an organization and a woman employee comes to you sand says that another employee has threatened her in some way but she doesn’t want to pursue the matter, will you just band your head and say something inane like “such people should be kept out” and then leave it at that?

Also, Singh said he didn’t want to pursue the matter. He didn’t ask the minister to not pursue the matter.

Kiran Bagachi, mumbai
Order by

Order by

Order by

ABOUT US | CONTACT US | SUBSCRIBE | ADVERTISING RATES | COPYRIGHT & DISCLAIMER | COMMENTS POLICY

OUTLOOK TOPICS:    a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9   
Or just type in a few initial letters of a topic: