Suryanelli Rape: 111 Booked for Anti-Kurien Posts on FB "'
Perhaps Katju sahib has not seen this item otherwise he would have reacted speedily and harshly for booking of 111 Posters on FB.
Or he has developed cold feet because of Congress Sarkar in Kerela ??
Someone brought up Ram Guha's surprisingly low IQ recent post on Modi. This is a response - http://www.sandeepweb.com/2013/02/09/guha-gargles-goo-again/ As for the great Justice Katju, someone else brought up his quotable quotes. He says a lot of shockingly daft things doesn't he? The immigrant to India remark, kareena kapoor in TV, strange parallel universe construction wrt the KPs and their genocide are a few examples. Anyway, these are a couple of responses to JK - http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/02/justice-for-10000-killed-in-gujarat-2002_16.html http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/02/spuriosity-killed-katju.html
"I certainly do not buy the story that Congress had no hand in 26/11 and the recent Hyderabad blasts. Afterall, Congress had been in power both in these states and at the centre.Can it be believed that Congress had no hand in these events? At least I find it impossible to believe it...... I appeal to Indian people to consider all this if they are really concerned about the nation’s future"
I sent the above to The Hindu, but it was not published.
#104
Divyesh,
>>I believe he gave the factual information and tried to reveal it to people under illusion.
If his madness NaMo were to declare that the earth is flat, you would be sure to see a news analysis under the headline
”Shape of the Planet: Both Sides Have a Point.”
After all, the earth isn’t perfectly spherical.
Justice Katju gave his opinion what he believes and what he observes about Gujarat State. Justice Katju has the right to express his views and he did it. I believe he gave the factual information and tried to reveal it to people under illusion.
Justice Katju has been writing columns in the Hindu and the Times of India for a long time. Justices can speak up on issues as long as they do not discuss any case that they are adjudicating.
Justice Katju said, " I certainly do not buy the story that Modi had no hand in the events of 2002. He was the Chief Minister of Gujarat at that time, and the horrible events happened on a large scale in Gujarat. Can it be believed that he had no hand in the events of 2002? At least I find it impossible to believe it...... I appeal to Indian people to consider all this if they are really concerned about the nation’s future, otherwise they may make the same mistake which Germans made in 1933."
That is a dire warning to the nation. He is trying to prevent a frenzied communalized circus from taking us down the slippery slope. No patriot can be prevented form speaking up when the stakes are so high.
This is indeed revealing. Shri Misra ji is a great intellectual, thinker and historian to reckon with. After all Outlook quotes him. I don't know, but must be from JNU.
Amazing consistency, conviction, balance, wisdom (you can add many more).
First tweet on receiving blast news:
Feb 21 Three bomb blasts in Hyderabad; 7 dead; security forces should go by hard evidence. Please desist from demonizing one community.
Very wise indeed!! Next tweet within few seconds:
Hindutva terrorists were behind the Mecca Masjid blasts in Hyderabad. Ironic; current blasts when Congress was seen as gaining ground.
And I am lost what to make of it.
"I hold the BJP responsible for the blasts."
The BJP is also responsible for Jalianwalabagh.
The link does not work so try it manually.
The latest gems from Misra
NDTV, Times Now, Headlines Today anchors are not educated enough. They have degrees from abroad. They know nothing about India. Book Times Now media honchos now--they are whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria. Times Now is whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria on Hyderabad blasts. They need to be booked for creating enmity between communities. Prannoy Roy and Arun Poorie, the most communal media heads in the country. The duffer Vishnu Som says "the country needs to take up terror seriously". He does not have the credibility to ask this question. Prannoy Roy should be booked. Tax evasion issues against him. He is supporting Delhi Police, the most communal force in India. It was funny to see duffers like Nidhi Razdan and Vishnu Som trying to sound more knowledgeable than Dulat, the former RAW chief. Do not harbor any illusions about Vinod Mehta, Outlook's editor. He too has turned from a liberal into a communal-opportunist. Duffers like Nidhi Razdan, Vishnu Som and NDTV anchors speak like they know everything about Policing and Intelligence. They are dumb. By linking Hyd blasts to Ajmal-Afzal hangings in Parliament, Sushma Swaraj has proved that the BJP had prior knowledge of Hyd attacks. Delhi Police is a communal force. It is an agent of Mossad. It is lying that it gave specific intel output on Hyd blasts. LIE.LIE.LIE.LIE. Home Minister stuck to his stand that Delhi Police intel did not specify Dilsukhnagar. But Delhi Police (DP) maintains its lie. Mend your pro-BJP ways, Prannoy Roy. Big money has turned a liberal like you into an opportunist. You have become communal. Uma Sudhir, the NDTV correspondent on the ground in Hyderabad is a known BJP supporter. She is totally ill-equipped for the job. Vishnu Som and Nidhi Razdan are marked men and women because of their blatantly anti-Congress, pro-BJP line regarding Hyd blasts. NDTV was a shade better than Times Now and Headlines Today. But Nidhi Razdan and Vishnu Som outdid others today in taking communal line. And still the bastard communal forces of Delhi Police are taking an anti-Muslim line. Secular forces and liberal Hindus congratulate the Congress for not bowing down to right wing pressure to blame Muslims for Hyd blasts. Associates of Pragya--all Hindutva terrorists--carried out 21st February. 2013 Hyderabad blasts. Shinde was bang on; only, he should have used Hindutva--instead of Hindu--terror. Beware of Rakesh Maria, the head of Maharashtra ATS. Maria is anti-Muslim. He tortured innocent Muslim women and children. Agreed...HM has to show courage against Hindutva forces, their doublespeak and terrorism. I hold the BJP responsible for the blasts. They sat on important intelligence information on Hindutva terror cells.
NDTV, Times Now, Headlines Today anchors are not educated enough. They have degrees from abroad. They know nothing about India. Book Times Now media honchos now--they are whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria.
Times Now is whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria on Hyderabad blasts. They need to be booked for creating enmity between communities. Prannoy Roy and Arun Poorie, the most communal media heads in the country. The duffer Vishnu Som says "the country needs to take up terror seriously". He does not have the credibility to ask this question. Prannoy Roy should be booked. Tax evasion issues against him. He is supporting Delhi Police, the most communal force in India. It was funny to see duffers like Nidhi Razdan and Vishnu Som trying to sound more knowledgeable than Dulat, the former RAW chief. Do not harbor any illusions about Vinod Mehta, Outlook's editor. He too has turned from a liberal into a communal-opportunist. Duffers like Nidhi Razdan, Vishnu Som and NDTV anchors speak like they know everything about Policing and Intelligence. They are dumb. By linking Hyd blasts to Ajmal-Afzal hangings in Parliament, Sushma Swaraj has proved that the BJP had prior knowledge of Hyd attacks. Delhi Police is a communal force. It is an agent of Mossad. It is lying that it gave specific intel output on Hyd blasts. LIE.LIE.LIE.LIE. Home Minister stuck to his stand that Delhi Police intel did not specify Dilsukhnagar. But Delhi Police (DP) maintains its lie. Mend your pro-BJP ways, Prannoy Roy. Big money has turned a liberal like you into an opportunist. You have become communal. Uma Sudhir, the NDTV correspondent on the ground in Hyderabad is a known BJP supporter. She is totally ill-equipped for the job. Vishnu Som and Nidhi Razdan are marked men and women because of their blatantly anti-Congress, pro-BJP line regarding Hyd blasts. NDTV was a shade better than Times Now and Headlines Today. But Nidhi Razdan and Vishnu Som outdid others today in taking communal line.
And still the bastard communal forces of Delhi Police are taking an anti-Muslim line. Secular forces and liberal Hindus congratulate the Congress for not bowing down to right wing pressure to blame Muslims for Hyd blasts.
Associates of Pragya--all Hindutva terrorists--carried out 21st February. 2013 Hyderabad blasts.
Shinde was bang on; only, he should have used Hindutva--instead of Hindu--terror.
Beware of Rakesh Maria, the head of Maharashtra ATS. Maria is anti-Muslim. He tortured innocent Muslim women and children.
Agreed...HM has to show courage against Hindutva forces, their doublespeak and terrorism.
I hold the BJP responsible for the blasts. They sat on important intelligence information on Hindutva terror cells.
I can only surmise that Misra's diatribe against every English TV channel and their anchors is because none of them are peddling his line. Since Misra knows so much about the blasts, the NIA should take him into custody and get him to divulge all.
Apologies for the double post (94 & 95).
I thought the various tweets posted here by RSM, Santosh Gairola and Kiran Bagachi were sarcastic as I couldn't believe even Amaresh Misra could be so bigoted and stupid. Sad to say they are genuine and can be read in full at
twitter.com/amareshmisra
Manish Banerjee,
One can only bang ones head against a brick wall so many times before one gets a headache.and I am now getting one. howver let me try one more time. You may choose to reply or not, but this is my last post.
You seem to have an afterthought & went on to compare thepost of PCI chaiman with that of EC/CJ/CAG
I did not introduce these people, you did. I took a quote from your post.
Press Council Act which do not restricit its Chaimen from expressing opinions on matters of national importance.
Quite right. The Press Council Act does not address this issue, so perhaps it should. Now please show me which law prohibits the EC/CJ/CAG from expressing opinions on matters of national importance.
procedure be damned.
This is indicative of your attituude. viz. "Say anything you like, but if it does not coincide with my views, go to hell. Never mind who is right".
I said he is selected by government representives & private persons.
You are now being economical with the truth. What you said and I quote (with my comments in brackets) is
He has been elected (he is nominated not elected) chairman of PCI which is a honorary assignment (it is a paid job) by a collegium which was constituted of not only government representaives (the Vice President and Speaker of the Lok Sabha would be horrified to hear themselves described thus) but eminent private citizens including represantative of the press (there is one person representing editors, journalists, MPs etc Your statement is like saying that I have directly taken a particular decision because my MP or MLA has voted for it).
Further you say
I find this nit-picking a clerical excercise.
If you believe that pointing out that the Chairman PCI is nominated not elected and a paid job rather than an honorary assignment, so be it.
Government do give 'grants' to the commssion.
This a new issue and I cannot see its relevance.
There has been past Chaimen of PCI who were happy to be ornamental. Justice Katju has strong opininins on matters of national importance & freely express them .
It is good to have a strong individual as Chairmen PCI. Any statements or actions he takes in pursuance of the objects and functions of the Press Council as listed in Sec 13 of the Act are welcome. However, other matters of national importance are not mentioned and therefore, no concern of the Chairman PCI.
my being Congress supporter. You must be kidding !
I apologise. I should have not made an assumption and should have restricted myself to facts.
It is good to have a strong individual as Chairmen PCI. Any statements or actions he takes in pursuance of the objects and functions of the Press Council as listed in Sec 13 of the Act. However, other matters of national importance are not mentioned.
>>As usual you try to beat around the bush & make hash of it.
Are you even capable of understanding a simple argument?
>>Basically you have not addressed point of contention here which is whether PCI chairmen can express opinions with political content .
:) this really takes the cake. After Bonita's exhaustive post, he says the point of contention has not been addressed! Bonita is a patient person, but I would like to see whether he can convince even those who are pretending to be blind.
"Amaresh Misra's tweets after the Hyderabad blasts:"
Amusing, but not surprising. Seriously if Congress has cheerleaders like logically challenged Misra and Pandey in media, they are not going anywhere.
Bonita,
>Basically you have not addressed point of contention here which is whether PCI chairmen can express opinions with political content . You seem to have an afterthought & went on to compare thepost of PCI chaiman with that of EC/CJ/CAG - a comparision which is totally invalid in terms of powers , dutiis etc. You went on to quote chapter & verse from the Press Council Act which do not restricit its Chaimen from expressing opinions on matters of national importance.
> While you went in to detail about the procedure to followed by commission to make inquiry on complaint against its members , you did not mention that commission has no powers to impose & enforce punishment against its proven deliquent members except to 'admonish'.That is crucial & big difference - procedure be damned. There are hundreds of commissions operating in the country some permament & some permanent but always toothless ; some are appointed from time to time to enquire in to specific issues which has only recommendetory powers . Heads of these commssions get government salary/honorum ( I do not want to quibble over semantics), go around expressing freely opinions on every tropics under the sun. In my opnion PCI is one of these hundreds of commissions ; only its a permanent body like Humna Rights Commissions which again has no powers punish.
> You have taken umbrage over my comment on selection of the commission. I said he is selected by government representives & private persons. You said he selected by speakers of parliament ( government representatives ) & other members of the council ( private persons ) . I find this nit-picking a clerical excercise.
> Government do give 'grants' to the commssion. But the commission has independent income in the form of contribution from its members. ( Governments do give grants to many a organisation- not that these grantees are restricted expressing opinions ).
There has been past Chaimen of PCI who were happy to be ornamental. Justice Katju has strong opininins on matters of national importance & freely express them .( Very recently he expressed his low opinion about journalists; net pracaharaks then did not question his right to do so vociforously ). One is free to agee or disagree & contest his opinion ; but not call him names, be vituperative , abusive , pejorative, indescent etc. ( In this very forum some people threatened to do things to Arundhati Roy for which death penalty is now dicussed).
Oh, yes the matter of my being Congress supporter. You must be kidding ! Bad luck that you did not find many of my ealiers posts worth reading. Problem here is we do not berlieve in independence of thought. It must be safron , yellow , red or any of the hues with which Indian politicians ply their trade.
Some more tweets from Amaresh Misra:
"BJP to blame for not giving intel about Hindutva terror attacks in Hyderabad." !!!
"Venkiah Naidu had previous knowledge of Hyd blasts"
“Hyderabad has turned into an epicenter of Hindutva terrorism in India.”
“I hold the BJP responsible for the blasts. They sat on important intelligence information on Hindutva terror cells.”
And he is followed by none other than Mahesh Bhatt!!
I am loving this guy!! He should appear more on TV debates and BJP can laugh all the way to the parliament post elections!!
This guy Amaresh Misra is quite an interesting guy!!
He writes an article called Headley Saga: Mumbai attack was a joint IB-CIA-Mossad-RSS project (dont need to read the article; its predictably BS), but the interesting part is that the article introduces him as:
Amaresh Misra is a famed historian and chief of the Anti-Communal Front of the All India Congress Committee (AICC)!!
So I finally figured out why our resident jihadi loves him so much!!
EC/ CJ/ CAG etc. nor do these dignitaries make political statements - Manish Banerjee
Precisely. Katju would do well to emulate these distinguished persons who are also citizens rather than make an ass of himself.
"Amaresh Misra's tweets after the Hyderabad blasts"
There was more Misra ji:
Feb 9 AFZUL GURU'S EXECUTION: BEGUNAAH MAARA GAYA...KHULKE BADLA LO! (Revenge openly! An innocent has been killed)
The way he is extensively writing in all caps, I am not sure if he is stable up there or not.
>>There is nothing debatable about the political content of the article Why ?
>>There is nothing debatable about the political content of the article
Why ?
Because it is TOTALLY political.
You are indirectly advocating gagging .
No I'm not. You and I are engaging in a political debate. I have never said or implied that anyone should not be allowed to say his piece. There is a lot of garbage posted here, but I ignore much of it as I have no wish to engage in a debate with these posters. (I had a struggle on how to describe them without being abusive).
What's wrong in Justice Katju mounting an attack on Narendra Modi - the politician ?
Because he holds a statutory post under the Press Council Act, 1978. If Katju wishes to enter into politics he should step down from his current post.
An opinion has been expressed that Jusice Katju being chairman Press Council , he cannot express political opinion. That is nonsense . Every citizen has a right to express politicfal opinion.
Katju, eminent citizen can say or write what he likes. Katju, Chairman PCI can't. It's as simple as that. Neither can members of the EC, CVC, CAG, NHRC etc. Katju and the others are bound by certain rules of propriety.
A seating Judge of Supreme court only the other day described this particular politician a Nero when some place was burning.
That is part of the problem. Judges often forget themselves and say things in court which they shouldn't. There is no redress other than to try and have the offending renark struck from the record by a higher court or larger bench as the judges are protected by the law of contempt and direct criticism could lead to imprisonment. Unfortunately, some judges like Katju carry this arrogance into their post retirement jobs forgetting they are no longer protected. A prime example is the case of the former Kerala HC judge who is being prosecuted for his indiscreet statements about the Suryanelli rape victim.
Justice Katju is not a government servant.
No he is a public servant and the holder of a statutory post under the Press Council Act, 1978. This post is NOT honorary and he is paid from the Consolidated Fund of India. (see below).
He has been elected chairman of PCI which is a honorary assignment by a collegium which was constituted of not only government representaives but eminent private citizens including represantative of the press. That he cannot express personal political opinion is a load of rubbish.
To use your own expression this is a load of rubbish. It would be funny, if not that some people believe you. (It bears out my comment of the gap between perception and reality) The Press Council Act, 1978 stipulates :
"5(2) The Chairman shall be a person nominated by a Committee consisting of the Chairman of the Council of States (Rajya Sabha), the Speaker of the House of the People (Lok Sabha) and a person elected by the members of the Council". (Note the third member of the nominating committee is elected by the 28 members of the council. You can see how they are chosen by reading the act).
Some other extracts from the Act
7(1) The Chairman shall be a whole-time officer and shall be paid such salary as the Central Government may think fit; (Comment : Nothing honorary about Katju's job). 15. (1) For the purpose of performing its functions or holding any inquiry under this Act, the Council shall have the same powers throughout India as are vested in a civil court while trying a suit under the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908 15(3) Every inquiry held by the Council shall be deemed to be a judicial proceeding within the meaning of sections 193 and 228 of the Indian Penal Code.
7(1) The Chairman shall be a whole-time officer and shall be paid such salary as the Central Government may think fit; (Comment : Nothing honorary about Katju's job).
15. (1) For the purpose of performing its functions or holding any inquiry under this Act, the Council shall have the same powers throughout India as are vested in a civil court while trying a suit under the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908
15(3) Every inquiry held by the Council shall be deemed to be a judicial proceeding within the meaning of sections 193 and 228 of the Indian Penal Code.
Incidentally, all members of the council other than the Chairman have day jobs and are not paid any salary but only allowances.
Politics is very much about facts .
In a fantasy world maybe, but get real. Politicians will say anything to get elected. They will invent stories about their opponents and make promises they have no intention of honouring. Indian politicians are by no means unique. If you follow US election coverage, you will know that there is a whole industry devoted to verifying politicians'claims half truths and outright lies. The politically correct term for all these evasions and prevarications is "spinning".
Perception must based the politicians contribution to society irrespective of religious persuations of its members.
Tell that to those who strive to stoke the fires of insecurity in a minority community to get votes.
Also let me know what the Congress' (I presume you are a supporter) Prime Ministerial candidate has contributed to society other than a "game changing" intervention in a parliamentary debate which was so earth shaking that the current resident of the PM's house came rushing to hear it?
Neither is the Election Commission, SC Chief Justice and the CAG.
As usual you try to beat around the bush & make hash of it. Who is talking about EC / CJ /CAG ? The position of Chairman PCI is by no stretch of imagination comparable to EC/ CJ/ CAG etc. nor do these dignitaries make political statements though they talk freely on social issues in seminars, related events , social & intellectual gatherings. Justces - though do very often make a piece of their mind clear , an example of which I cited in my post.
>>Justice Katju is not a government servant.
Neither is the Election Commission, SC Chief Justice and the CAG. None of these people can write such political articles like Katju. PCI Chairman is a quasi judicial position. His not being a governemnt servant is a specious argument.
>> Justice Katju is not a government servant. He has been elected chairman of PCI which is a honorary assignment by a collegium which was constituted of not only government representaives but eminent private citizens including represantative of the press. That he cannot express personal political opinion is a load of rubbish. I too was wondering about the legal nature of the PCI chairman's position. If the above is correct then I do not know what the hullabaloo was all about.
There is nothing debatable about the political content of the article
Why ? Narendra Modi represent & preaches a particular vaireity of political philosophy & has been aspiring political gain based on them . There may be two opinions about that philosophy . As a matter of fact there is. No other politician in India creates such huge schism on his political thoughts & actions .
There must always be a bebate. You are indirectly advocating gagging .
Katju has suo moto chosen to launch an attack on one politician who is being touted as the next PM and appealed to the public to ensure that this does not happen. If that is not political, what is.
What's wrong in Justice Katju mounting an attack on Narendra Modi - the politician ? While other other politicians are easy meat what is special about this particular politician ?
An opinion has been expressed oftentimes that Jusice Katju being chairman Press Council , he cannot express political opinion. That is nonsense . Every citizen has a right to express politicfal opinion. A seating Judge of Supreme court only the other day described this particular politician a Nero when some place was burning. Justice Katju is not a government servant. He has been elected chairman of PCI which is a honorary assignment by a collegium which was constituted of not only government representaives but eminent private citizens including represantative of the press. That he cannot express personal political opinion is a load of rubbish.
Someone (I apologise for remembering the quote but not the name) wrote that politics is all about perception and not legality. I would add that it is not about facts either.Someone (I apologise for remembering the quote but not the name) wrote that politics is all about perception and not legality. I would add that it is not about facts either.
That is high sounding drivel. Politics is very much about facts . Perception must based the politicians contribution to society irrespective of religious persuations of its members.
1. The article itself is a "personal attack"on an individual, and 2. You are guilty of the same crime of which you accuse others by dismissing all critics of Katju as "net pracharaks of the RSS".
Point 1 is just not true. And I have only wished the net pracharaks takes on critics of their heroes on facts , not fictions built around them by beneficiaries largesses largesses.
I have a feeling that all this is good:
Articles like these…Shinde saying BJP RSS run training camps…Diggi Raja and MS Iyer congratulating him…Katju going ballistic…Akaar Patel writing his weekly drivel in DNA…PM’s will-bring-perpetrators-to-book statements…mother superior’s stony silence…clown prince keeping mum or opening it to put his foot in it…
The more this happen, the more fire under the pot in which Congress’s gravy is being cooked!!
In fact, I’d request Teesta and Shabnam Hashmi to appear more on TV! It will swing many more votes in favour of BJP!!
Why, our own Jihadi Mullah is throwing thousands of votes daily in BJP’s way! We should thank him on bended knees!! He may be a congress stooge but he is helping BJP!
"Liberals in India are nothing but partisan stooges living on state patronage and their opinions only reflect that."
Thanks to Katju, these shameless stooge's dishonesty gets exposed. But these are shameless bunch.
>>Innueable salacious jokes can be made of this loose remark.
Off course anything can be made into a joke depending on how twisted ones mind is but the comment was made in a specific context of a specific link and it is pretty clear what it meant.
>>He has written a blog in TOI today in which he repeats his defence. He has also said that no one criticized Gen VK Singh or Vinod Rai.
Such intellectual dishonesty has been the trademark of our opinion makers for ages. In the same program, Kumar Ketkar also argues that such 'crossing the line' has been done by SC judges in the past hence for Katju it is ok (normally they scream 'two wrongs don't make a right!') . Off course he never told us whether crossing the line involved scathing criticism of a elected leader and his policies.
Katju himself was extremely dishonest. He says that he wrote the article as a 'concerned citizen'! The Hindu article says the writer is the Chairman of PCI! Second, he says he criticized Congress govt, in Mah, Har, Delhi. All these criticisms were in the domain of his role as PCI Chairman. His Gujarat article had nothing to do with the press, it was pure political pamphleteering!
Liberals in India are nothing but partisan stooges living on state patronage and their opinions only reflect that.
Manish Bannerjee,
The political content of the Katju article is debatable. But factual contents must be disproved with facts instead of cussed swear words.
There is nothing debatable about the political content of the article. Katju has suo moto chosen to launch an attack on one politician who is being touted as the next PM and appealed to the public to ensure that this does not happen. If that is not political, what is.
It is the factual content of Katju's article which is debatable and that debate is going on continuously.
If a person like Katju holding a quasi-judicial position, which requires him to keep his personal opinions to himself, chooses to enter a political debate then he has rightly been targetted for the gross impropriety of his conduct. If he has been mocked for his foibles as evidenced by his frequent intemperate outbursts, whose fault is it.
Katju has every right to express his opinions - only not while he remains comfortably seated on his present throne.
Someone (I apologise for remembering the quote but not the name) wrote that politics is all about perception and not legality. I would add that it is not about facts either. Modi is winning the battle of perceptions, hence the increasing desperation to discredit him including the use of people like Katju.
You complain that the criticism of Katju are "personal attacks", that they are "pejorative"and that those making them are "net pracharaks of the RSS". Those terms ignore two things.
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Just so you know, the "like" link is disabled on your posting.
Yes, childish but what else can be expected.
Mr. Katju writes .... "otherwise they may make the same mistake which Germans made in 1933."
In general, I have come to the conclusion that "humans learning from mistakes" is way over-rated. Certainly learning from other peoples mistake is for sure over-rated. But between the two, there is at least some hope of learning from own mistakes. So we have to make our mistakes, whoever else may have done before us.
Democracy is still a thin brittle veneer for us. We, like our Asian cousins to the east or west of us, prefer authority - it is easier for us too - avoids having to take responsibility and accountability.
Meenakshi Lekhi takes Katju's pants off!
Innueable salacious jokes can be made of this loose remark. I can think of a half a dozen of them. I resit from such cheap diversion as I believe RSM carelessly made the remark off the cuff without realising its scurrilious ramifications. Benefit of doubt goes to RSM. A bad sarcasm can be ignored.
But that is not the point of this post . Sixty nine comments have been made here on Jusice Katju's denunciation of Modi, a major thrust of which is Modi's development of record. It is a sad commentary on our political discourse that except for a few most comments are personal attack on Jusice Katju . In such occassions the net pracharaks come down in hordes & make familiar pejorative - sometimes ouitright defamatory remarks. They do more harm to Modi than good.
This kind of remarks by net pracharaks has now been familiar & has ceased to make any positive contribution to the image man on whose behalf the net pracharaks make these comments -repeated million times over.
Those of us who commented are mostly highly educated & many must be first class professionals till they indulge in these skulduggery . We forget this is twentyfirst century & Dr. Goebbles' methods has been chucked in dustbin of history & definitelty do not work in this information age.
The political content of the Katju aricle is debatable. But factual contents must be disproved with facts instead of cussed swear words.
How I wish at least one net pracharak took on Katju on facts he profferred on Gujrat's development. Same thing happens when an Arundhati Roy opinion appears.
These net prchraks of RSS are a pitiable lot! They have fallen back on time.
Dileep Padgaonkar, that well known independent journalist, defended Katju in a TV discussion (CNN-IBN I think) saying some thing like :
It is refreshing to hear someone make a forthright statement and who is prepared to call a spade a shovel.
He has written a blog in TOI today in which he repeats his defence. He has also said that no one criticcised Gen VK Singh or Vinod Rai. Padgaonkar ignores that other than his personal issues, Gen VK Singh never made any statement critical of the government whilst he was in office. His classified letter to the PM in which he expressed his concerns about military preparedness (as was his right and duty) was leaked by some individual. No action has been taken by the MoD to identify the person responsible and discipline him for a clear violation of the Official Secrets Act and endangering national security. Padgaonkar also ignores the fact that Rai's public statements have always been in defence of his office and never against any individual or political party.
Would Padgaonkar and all Katju's defenders of his right to freed om of expression be happy if the CAG were to make the following statement
"The extreme venality of the UPA government has been exposed time and time again in the various scams they have engendered. I appeal to all those who have the interests of the country at heart to throw this corrupt government out of office and ensure they are never ever allowed access to the public exchequer".
>>Is that why Malhotra's report was suppressed? They did not even want to give it to Zakia until the Supreme Court ordered them to do so!
It was not suppressed. It was a preliminary report. There is a reason a final report is called FINAL. Secondly it was always available with Teesta and this natak for going to SC is just delaying tactics.
Not sure why people are offended by his quote.As he has mentioned 90% of Indians are idiot & he is obviously one of them....& his supporters who are giving clarion call as well.......No reason why people should get agitated...Only idiots can say that you dont need electricity & other basic infra aminities to progress & eradicate evils of poverty.....One great guy from Kolkatta shamelessly tries to belittle progress of Gujrat...Funny thing so called commies have made them blood suckers who just need state to dole out everything & these bhadra people only gosip & criticize an one who works & tries to make a difference
RSM,
>> It (the SIT) only acted on evidence.
Is that why Malhotra's report was suppressed? They did not even want to give it to Zakia until the Supreme Court ordered them to do so!
D-52/59 Meenakshi Lekhi takes Katju's pants off! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFvs33qUfGY RSM Delhi, India
"But Muslims are voting for Modi" "I know they are terorised" "But their leader acknowledge it" "No, I am telling you, they are not telling the truth"
This kind of argument from Sri Katju saab reminds me of a joke. "Yes, his is no more" pronounced the doctor. Whole family started crying. "ahm ahm" he cough and said in frail voice, "don't cry dear, I am still alive". "Shut up, you know more or the doctor?" exclaimed the wife.
Our doctors know more, indeed.
Gujarat: Myth and reality Bhalchandra Mungekar Jun 12, 2012, 12.00AM IST http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-06-12/edit-page/32176123_1_gujarat-narendra-modi-industrial-growth The writer is a member of the Rajya Sabha and former member, Planning Commission. With respect to Human Deve-lopment Index (HDI), Gujarat's story is devastating. The HDI for Gujarat, in 2008, was 0.527 and it ranked 10 among major states. Kerala stood first (HDI: 0.790), Himachal Pradesh scored 0.652, Punjab 0.605, Maharashtra 0.572 and Haryana 0.552. With respect to three HDI components — income, health and education — Gujarat does not present a shining story. In this respect, states like Kerala took the lead in every sector, while Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal did better than Gujarat. It is found that inequality with respect to income, education and health is higher in Gujarat than some of the major states. Shockingly, in terms of hunger — as revealed by the 'State Hunger Index 2008' — Gujarat ranked 13th among 17 big states and worse than Orissa. In Gujarat, the percentage of women suffering from anaemia has risen from 46.3% in 1999 to 55.5% in 2004, and amongst children from 74.5% to 80.1%. The conditions of dalits and women have deteriorated during the last decade; while those of Muslims and tribals are still worse. What about inclusive growth in Gujarat? Though Gujarat, with 31.8% people below the poverty line did better than Maharashtra and Karnataka, it still lagged behind Kerala, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Haryana, where poverty levels were 19.7%, 20.9%, 22.9% and 24.1%, respectively. On three important social indicators, viz life expectancy at birth (LEB), mean years of schooling (MYS) and school life expectancy (SLE), Gujarat is far behind some other states. In Gujarat, the LEB during 2002-06 was 64.1 years and it ranked ninth among major Indian states. In the areas of MYS and SLE, during 2004-05, it ranked seventh and ninth, respectively. Kerala ranked first in all three indicators. Even Maharashtra, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka performed much better than Gujarat. Thus, Gujarat's growth story as claimed by Modi is more a myth than reality. But it is also imperative that other states in the country make concerted efforts to secure higher and also inclusive growth, rather than getting enamoured with the Gujarat growth story. Also, for the people of Gujarat, it's time for introspection and putting right efforts in the direction of making Gujarat a truly "vibrant" state.
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Lucky Justice Katju : )
Good for hom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFvs33qUfGY
>>And yet it acted as if it was there to give a clean chit to Modi instead of doing an investigation with due diligence.
It only acted on evidence not on propaganda, witness tutoring, fake affidavits and perverse wishes of Gujarat riot cottage industry.
>> Thanks for conceding Modi doesn't even have a riot case against him and that SIT was instituted despite that.
SIT was instituted BECAUSE of that! And yet it acted as if it was there to give a clean chit to Modi instead of doing an investigation with due diligence.
>> SIT was appointed by SC.
I know! But its report cannot be called a Supreme Court verdict.
Narayan (Zurich),
Kindly watch following youtube clipping which is in Gujrati but an average Indian, even if he is a Katju, can understand it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QL5Ctexla6c
Here is the example how the Nakli Secus are more communalised than an Aam Communal person .
When Katju criticized Modi then all the Secu and Rudali brigade started beating drums chanting Whah Katju Whah ! Shabash ! Wha Janab khoob kaha ! Sahbash !!
When General V K Singh took up the issue of Corruption in India ,Tatra Scam etc then Secu cum Rudali Brigade used to beat their chests shouting Hai Hai V K Singh .
For VK Singh advise was how can you talk of Corruption as you were a Govt Servant and it against the norms of behavior of an Govt Servant to speak in open and give interviews . Don't break the Laxman Rekha .
When Katju broke both his Dharma and Laxman Rekha of his Constitutional Post then the same Rudali Brigade has forgotten all the Rules ,Does and Don'ts they prescribed for VK SINGH to follow . .
Duplicity thy is Nakli Secus !!
pls see katju has no answer to minakshi lekhi...on debate over his article......
now look katju's interview which he left co's he does not have answer........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCdVvB1TeZc
now how can u believe this guy?
>> It's a shame that an ex-Judge in SC ridicules the Decisive Verdict given by the very SC, in favor of Modi. Anwaar >>>> The Supreme Court has not given any such verdict.
SIT was appointed by SC. Please also inform CAIR on this.
Anna Hazare must be thinking - "Bal bal bachgaye. What if UPA had conceded to my demand and made MKatju the Janlokpal ? It would have been a case of cure worse than disease"
Apart form the horseshit that Katju paddles here, I dont understand the "Perfumes of Arabia"!! Is Arabia famous for perfumes? I thought France was. And are perfumes used to "wash away stains"??
Katju is as logic-deprived as our resident mullah here. Did he study in a madarsa, by any chance?
>> It's a shame that an ex-Judge in SC ridicules the Decisive Verdict given by the very SC, in favor of Modi.
The Supreme Court has not given any such verdict.
Correction : Orissa which is lowest in ranking of UNDP HDI index is really troubling me . Its Health Dimension Index is neither 0.88 nor 0.35. Its 0.65.
Correction 42/D-95 : HDI* for Orissa is 0.35 & not 0.88
First, delhi gangrape case was trumpeted up by the frekshow of the justice mongers in delhi, last december. Carefully crafted media campaign driven by on the ground propoganda whores...which started 4days prior to declaration of gujrat assembly election results and all of a sudden melted away, the very next day of Modi taking oath. The media campaign was a classical propoganda ploy, intended to beat down the surge Modi was to ger, in case the gangrape incident had not happened and media would have been compelled to acknowledge his spectacular victory.
If media had to focus on Modi's victory then the following questions would have come up;
1. The congress promised to make everything free, modi did not offer anything free, yet how come ppl voted modi?
2. The congress co-ordinated with Keshubhai's party, fielded 4 sitting MPs of itself, keshubhai himself got down to campaign, yet modi retained ovewhelming majority.
3. In more than 15 seats, the congress victory was due to keshubhai's party cutting into votes, to give congress a victory margin of less than 2000 to 300 votes.
4. Muslims voted for BJP in large numbers in several areas.
6. There would have been focus on modi's personality, his formative years etc..
All of this would have delivered a knockout blow to Modi/ Hindutva bashing gutter snipes, including the like of Katju. It would have been such a lift up for modi, that his opponents would have been left disoriented. However despite the cleverly planned campaign around the delhi gangrape, due to which media focus on modi was averted, modi's ascent continues...unstoppably. So what do they do..after Modi's spectacular appearance at SRCC delhi, they hang Afzal. Modi ascent is unflappable, what do they do?
They let loose a geriatric, senile, megalomaniac, congress propaganda whore turd, who forgot [its senility, poor thing] that being in a quasi judicial position, there are certain limits.
Now the propaganda turd Katju says that he wrote the article as an individual, a lot of individuals have such views, why the turd's article has evoked response, is specifically due to who he is.
At a time, when he should be arranging for adult diapers to prevent wetting his own bed, the man sets out to appeal to indians on how to vote. Shut Up Katju.
Katju turd finds it difficult to believe that Narendra Modi was not invovled in incidents which happened close to hist office and residence in 2002.
I find it strange that Katju was not involved in the delhi gangrape since it happened in Delhi, same place where he lives. Shut up Katju turd.
Katju is fit to be in the 10% group.
No, not the complement of his 90% group, but in the top 10% of the 90% group.
One need not agree with some of the conclusions drawn in the article by Jusice Katju. But it a welcome development in the sense it is a rare specimen where assement of a political personality has been attempted in mainstream media by his achievement in terms human development.
No no other country- as far as I know- GDP growth rate is given such disproportionate weightage in government socio-economic policy formulations as is being done in India since 2004. Bfore 2004 GDP was a term which was rarely found place in politico-economic discourse. Even during Narashimha Rao regime when government iron first started being loosened in every day economic activity , even then economic policy makers never incessantly talked of GDP as is being done since 2004 when a hand ful of people who were completely sold out to Neo Liberal Economic philoshophy took absolute control of economic sinews government economic & fiscal operations.
By genuine conviction or due to political compulsion arising out events of 20002-3, Narendra Modi became a complete Neo-Lib after shifting of a small car project to Gujarat & its accompanying development cacophony. Modi could not believe his eyes when national press went to town with truths & half truths about this project.. There never will be cost-benefit sheet drawn as to lasrgesse to industry from state exchequer versus tangible benefit to state's treasury & importnatly contribution to development of its people.
Gradually due to the economic ravages of last half a decade as result blind neo-liberal economic polcies worldwide, indices human development has come back in mainsream political discourese . ( Not in India ; we still make or unmake our political hereoes bases on religion , caste , who mollycoddle the muslims & who keep them firmly under their feet & such like bases).
So Human Development Index not GDP is the flavor of the day & rightly so. And papers are appearing here & there giving close look at human development record of states instead of how many industrial plants were built during his rule with disproportionate susidy from state. This is a welcome develoment.
UNDP has brought enormous good to nations by formulating a Human Development Index , which tried to accounts for overall welfare people of a country instead of aggregate wealth in absolute terms irrespective of its distribution pattern. An inequality factor has also been bulit in to this HDI.
UNDP time to time suveys & complies HDI data of staes .Latest (2010) HDI indices of some of the Indian staes are like this :
India Kerala WB Gujarat Orissa
HDI : 0.5 0.62 0.51 0.51 0.44
EDI 0.5 0.54 0.40 0.40 0.35
IDI 0.45 0.54 0.40 0.40 0.44
HDI* 0.64 0.88 0.70 0.70 0.88
(EDI:Economioc dimention Index ; IDI : Income Dimension Index ; HDI* Health dimension Index. )
Orissa & Keral are at the two extreme end of HDI. So they have been selected. WB & Gujarat are medium HDI ndeveloment states. All India figures are good indicators where they stand.
Modi still now & Budhadev Battacharjee ( one has to discount Mamata for now as there is no incator as of now ) are both are/were three term serving ministers. Handicap at the starting block werte more or less same as both states were /are among first 10 developed states. That being so I find no difference in performance of Modi & Bhattacharjee. Modi gets a negative ( which is not accounted for in HDI as allowing to events of 2002-3 is not a signature of good governanace.
So one again, instead of being lead by irrational sentimentality & motivated media hype , we must make our own independent assessment of politicians whom we send to lead the country.
Shri Katju ji
Your job is to monitor the press and rogue journalism in lndia, not making political statements.
You bring yourself to be only ridiculed and laughed at when you rather so impetuously and unfittingly to our former postion as SC judge unjudiciously declare that India and Pakistan will unite in 20 years. Perhaps Arun Jaitley is right that its some kind of thanksgiving on your part, that you have come out so strongly against Narendra Modi and BJP because they are the only ones who can challenge your political mentors, the Sonia Congress. What makes you say so with such conviction? Has it generally now, some how or other dawned on Congress that it can no longer rule India without taking on board all the Muslims of the sub-continent ... even those Jihadi fundamenatlists in Pakistan whose sole agenda is to destroy India?
Sounds like your are in the same league in the dirty tricks deptt of Congress like Dogvijay Singh and Manish Tewari to whom Bin Laden is Osama Ji, Hafiz Saeed is Hafiz Saeed Saheb and Dawood Ibrahim is Dawood Bhaiyya ...
With the same haughtiness, conceit and arrogance that quite adequately characterises UPA's style of governance, you declare that 90% of Indians are idiots. This reflects that you have the same sort of contempt that Sonia Congress has for India and Indians. When you prognosticate the "re-unification" of India it sounds like a self serving dream that Congress has that now nearly 40% of sub-continental Muslim population will always support them to suppress and divide the Indians forever in order to loot and keep them poor with their kind of Mr 10%s in Pakistan.
This could be the subject of another thread, but is it not the truth that people like yourselves, the English educated super rich elite in both countries which forms the majority of high class Babudoms, who can afford to send their children to best schools in India and abroad while the general standard of education remains pathetic, are brown/black Avatar Sahibs of former colonialists... Stop calling youself as an Indian.
Shame on you ...
Katjujee; Why must we go to Arabia for perfumes. We have Kanauj in UP (India) that is very famous for attar. Or is it required to mention Arabia because your's is essentially an anti-NaMo article.
These comments were offred by one of the readers of Outlook nearly a year back. I had copied these for my reference.
This is not the first time this year that we are witnessing Na Mo bashing. Sometime back while making his comments on a similar topic through these column one learned reader had given the chronological order of all the events that took place during the Gujrat riots. I had copied the same at the time and am reproducing it verbatim for the benefit of those readers who may not be fully aware of all the facts.
Innocent well-meaning people have fallen prey to the media’s evil designs. The Gujarat riots were plain riots - not pogrom’ or ‘massacre’. The state government- far from being involved in the riots- handled the riots efficiently and controlled them in 3 days- while riots continued in Gujarat for 6 months in 1969 and 1985 under Congress rule in which close to 10,000 people each were killed. At the time of the 2002 riots, this same English media did report the truth at times. The following facts will make it clear- 1. On 28 February 2002, The Hindustan Times reported that the entire police force of 70,000 had been deployed in Gujarat view of apprehensions that riots may break out. 2. On Feb 28 The Indian Express reported that “(On Feb 27) the state government had deployed the Rapid Action Force in Ahmedabad and other sensitive areas and the Centre sent in CRPF personnel”. Both these reports were published even before a single riot had taken place. 3. Riots began in Ahmedabad on Feb 28 at 11 AM. India Today weekly (18 March 2002) reports that Modi informally requested the Centre for deployment of Army at 12:00 noon i.e. within 1 hour. The same weekly also reports one column of troops reached Ahmedabad at 2-30 AM on 1st March and staged a flag march the same morning at 9 AM. 4. The same weekly in the issue also says that the then Defence Minister George Fernandes was in Ahmedabad at 2-00 Am on 1st March on Modi’s request and was bravely on Ahmedabad’s streets that morning (1st March) at a great personal risk. 5. The Hindu reported on 1st March 2002 that, “The Army units, frantically called by the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi…started arriving in Ahmedabad. This shows that some Army units reached Ahmedabad so quickly on Feb 28 that The Hindu had time to report their arrival on Feb 28 itself and publish it on 1st March 6. Out of 18,600 villages, 240 towns and 25 district headquarters, hardly 60 places saw riots. One-third of Gujarat, i.e. Saurashtra and Kutch were completely unaffected by riots even in the first 3 days. After the first three days- riots were limited to Ahmedabad, Vadodara and some places near Godhra- and almost all were started by Muslims. 7. In the first three days- Gujarat police shot dead 98 rioters- majority of whom were Hindus. On 1st March, The Hindu reported that- “At least 10 people have been killed in police firing in Ahmedabad alone by evening (of Feb 28)”. Then on 2nd March, The Indian Express reported that “Police shot dead 20 people in Gujarat, 12 in Ahmedabad, on 1st March”. Then on 3rd March, Indian Express reported -”77 more people have been killed in Police/ Army firing (on 2nd March)”. Then on 2nd March ‘The Hindu’ reported that-”Unlike Feb 28 when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash on 1st March has further worsened the situation.” The Times of India dated 18 March 2002 devoted a complete report titled, “Riots hit all classes, people of all faith” on Hindu victims of the riots and says, “Contrary to popular belief that only Muslims have been affected in the recent riots more than 10,000 persons belonging to the Hindu community have also become homeless”. 9. The Indian Express devoted two full reports exclusively to Hindu victims in Ahmedabad in its issues dated 7 May 2002 and 10th May 2002. The victims were not only homeless; they did not even have relief camps to live in, and hence had to live in temples. 10. India Today weekly reports in its issue dated 27 May 2002, “A series of attacks by Muslims on policemen has further added to mutual lack of faith. Now strapped with the anti-Muslim label, the police has been slow in acting against Muslim fanatics”. 11. India Today (27 May 2002) also gives details of attacks on Hindus by Muslims. The same weekly reports in its issue dated 15 April 2002 that- “A young Hindu went to Himmatnagar (Muslim) area of Ahmedabad to do business and was found dead, with his eyes gouged out”. This issue also gives details of Muslim aggression. 12. India Today weekly dated 22 April 2002 also reports that ‘Gujarat police saved 2,500 Muslims from certain death in Sanjeli, North Gujarat on 1st March 2002′. The weekly also says- ‘Like Sanjeli, 5,000 Muslims were also saved in Bodeli town in Vadodara district by the police’ and ‘Thousands of Muslims were also saved in Viramgam town from 15,000 armed Hindus’ by police and the Army. The UPA government- staunchly anti -BJP, has given figures of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus killed in the Gujarat riots, and 223 missing, in Rajya Sabha on 11 May 2005. A total of 790 Muslims were killed in the riots- more than thrice that number were saved on one day at a single place. 13. Throughout Gujarat riots - there are only two instances of real anti-Muslim riots-The Ehsan Jafri case and the Naroda Patiya case. In the Ehsan Jafri case, the police shot dead 5 Hindus outside his house and saved the lives of more than 200 Muslims. There were 250 people inside Jafri’s house and the mob killed 39 - with police saving more than 200 - despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered by the rioters who were more than 10,000. 14. There have been 4 convictions of Muslims for rioting after Godhra and Muslims were given various sentences. 4 Muslims were convicted by a Vadodara fast track court on 16 October 2003 and given life imprisonment. Ex - Vadodara Deputy Mayor and Congress leader Nisar Bapu was acquitted, but his son and son-in-law were convicted. This was reported in at least three English dailies, including The Times of India dated 17 October 2003. 9 and 7 Muslims were convicted in two separate judgments on 18 and 28 March 2006 by fast track courts in Ahmedabad- reported by all major English dailies the next day. Muslims were hardly the cattle hiding from the slaughter house that the media makes them out to be. The conviction of Muslims proves that Muslims were equally on the offensive.
The newspaper editors and others who call the Gujarat riots as a ‘holocuast’, ‘pogrom’, ‘genocide’ or ‘massacre’ should look at their own newspapers’ reports on these very things. Will these facts awaken the conscience of the newspaper editors and journalists and of course the electronic media and make them reveal the bitter truth of the Gujarat riots - that even after Godhra, the riots that followed were not one-sided?
Be it Godhra, Attack on Ehsan Jafri or the riots, Leaders of all affiliations including Congress led/organized the mobs in the riots. Modi took every action that was required of a CM to control an un-controllable riot. Most Media-only consumers dont know such facts. Absolute mockery of journalism by Libtards in Media.
It's a shame that an ex-Judge in SC ridicules the Decisive Verdict given by the very SC, in favor of Modi.
Enough is Enough, BJP/Modi must file multi-million dollar suits against this Anti-Modi Cottage industry to shut them down once for ever.
When the Dead-line is fast approaching and when the inevitable stares at your face, all you can do is throw even more Money & Resources at your problems. Anti-Modi Cottage industry has an existential crisis and is in its last stages. More such vile attacks & abuses can be expected in the run-up to 2014.
What one gets from this article is the fact that Justice Katju cares for India. He is not running for any office. His various columns in newspapers have tried to bring the nation's attention to specific deficiencies or wrongs that exist in our country. In the past I have often called him Rashtra-Chacha (National Uncle). That unofficial title fits him better than Chairman of the Press Council. He is not afraid of controversy or criticism. He cares more for India than Modi, Jaitley and the rest of the Parivar. That is sufficient reason for Parivaris to want to silence him!
pls read jethmalani's rebuttal in sunday guardian.....
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/let-truth-be-known-about-modi
and i leave to reader to decide ?
Justice Katju sahib Sir
A person of your rank and position will not pass judgement without having true facts and figures at his command .He would discard the tainted and fabricated facts , figures and Data .The person of your stature will stick to facts and truth only . But unfortunately seems you have been you have fed wrong information and fabricated figures by Modi haters . You only talk of Gujarat but totally fail to compare the over all existing conditions of the poverty and hunger in other States of India. A true writer and analysist will then give his perfectly balanced judgement heavily pregnant with facts and figures weighing the over all realties existing in India .
IT SEEMS you have not been MADE aware of the UPA's performance and even not aware of the Modi's performance so I give you analysis of many writers who have quote with facts and figures.
Compared to them your article WHICH looks like more of an Election speech which are mainly prepared by ghost writers for our PM,Sonia ji,Rahul ji and otheR Leaders who THEN read out them in Rallies .
Since Judges are known for writing their own Judgments and pronounce them in Courts as you used to when you were serving .Their no doubt to the high quality of those Judgments you used to deliver then .
Please fire your ghost writer at once who seems in turn got this Statement prepared from Sarkari ghost writer most probably a Door Darshanwala.
No one believes and think that such a brilliant Ex CJ of India like you can even think of writing such a trivial Statement and then ever think he will defend that thrash writen by a Sarkari Munshi.
Respected sir
CAG ,EC and the Post you are holding are constitutional posts whose jobs are well defined by the Constitution. Kindly just think of the respect Mr Vinod Rai has earned and won the gratitude of Indians and world over . We expected similar efforts from you sir not the pronouncements that 90 % Indians are fools or some thing like that.
Now I submit a few facts for your kind consideration :
''In a piece titled "India Is Losing the Race" in The New York Times (January 19, 2013) Rattner brilliantly analyses India versus China growth debate.
"As recently as 2006, when I first visited India and China, the economic race was on, with heavy bets being placed on which one would win the developing world sweepstakes," he writes and adds "Many Westerners fervently hoped that a democratic country would triumph economically over an autocratic regime."
Nevertheless, Rattner woefully concludes "Now the contest is emphatically over. China has lunged into the 21st century, while India is still lurching toward it."
China's gross per capita income of $9,146 is more than twice India's. And its economy grew by 7.7 per cent in 2012, while India grew at an uninspiring 5.3 per cent. Crucially, he points out that China's investment rate of 48 per cent of GDP exceeded India's at 36 per cent.
Rattner hits the nail right on the head when he states "But the impact of that spending can be hard to discern; on a recent 12-day visit to India, not many rupees appeared to have been lavished on Mumbai's glorious Victoria Terminus, also known as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, since it was constructed in the 1880s."
Putting his finger where it hurts most, Rattner points out "China has 16 subway systems to India's 5. As China builds a superhighway to Tibet, Indian drivers battle potholed roads that they share with every manner of vehicle and live animal. India's electrical grid is still largely government controlled, which helped contribute to a disastrous blackout last summer that affected more than 600 million people."
Is Rattner suggesting infrastructure to be the only differential between Indian and China? Pointing out to a range of issues having a debilitating impact on the Indian economy, he opines that many of probably India may not even be a beneficiary of the promised and much hyped demographic dividend. Why?
In a stunning yet succinct analysis, he points out that India growth story has been deeply hurt by a suffocating bureaucracy and a workforce which according to him is "unskilled." And that is the crux of the issue.
All round failure
Rattner is not the lone voice in the wilderness. Moreover, the "race" with China merely provides a context to the discussion on hand. Forget the race, let us look at these issues in absolute terms.
The Time in an Article provocatively titled "Is India's Growth Story Over?" (June 14, 2012) quotes a report by Standard and Poor's released a few days prior to it and titled "Will India be the first BRIC fallen angel." This report reportedly cautions that India may become the first so-called "BRIC" country to lose its investment grade rating. Meanwhile, some economists are now talking of Indonesia replacing India in the BRIC group of countries!
Simultaneously, Soutik Biswas, the Delhi Correspondent of the BBC in a story titled "Is the India Growth Story Over?" on June 1, 2012 visualises a possibility of a return of the 1991 economic crisis, probably in a virulent form. Blaming India's fractured polity, he lays the blame on lack of political maturity amongst India's elected representatives. "A broken politics makes for broken economy" he concludes.
Likewise Nirvikar Singh in a Column titled "Is India's Growth Story Dead?" ([Financial Express - 6th December 2012) quotes Professor Dani Rodrik of Harvard who authored a paper titled "No More Growth Miracles," arguing that technical progress in manufacturing is becoming more skill and capital-intensive, and that there is less room to export for new entrants.
Hence, according to Rodrik growing through labour-intensive manufactured exports, is going to be difficult in future. The East Asian and Chinese miracle depended to a very large extent on creating a huge manufacturing base that allowed employment generation coupled with an export led growth possibilities. In short, according to him India has indeed missed the bus.
Nirvikar Singh in response points out that "improvements in income distribution, institutional quality, and the well-being of the poor in non-income-based measures such as basic health, nutrition and education may be the optimal path to follow" and adds "investing in people may actually make growth more sustainable."
Lest all this is dismissed as theoretical rants of some economists, analysts and columnists, let us not ignore the negative developments at the ground level.
It may be noted that while some economic managers within the UPA celebrated the unprecedented growth between 2004 and 2008 as the direct consequence of their management skills now blame the global economic crisis for the domestic downturn. So much for their understanding of Economics!
But what is worse is that UPA managers refuse to believe that our Economy is under severe structural stress. Some believe that the downturn is a consequence of global economy catching cold and fervently hope that this too would pass. Possibly, if we return to a scenario of robust global growth (which at this point in time this looks extremely remote) India too may experience spectacular growth.
But global economic growth is one half of the problem. But what about skill enhancement? What about improving Human Development Index? How should we enhance our manufacturing, institution and governance? Put differently, what would be the legacy of the UPA Government? It could well be 2G, CWG and Coalgate and probably nothing positive.
This is where India needed and continues to need reforms. And this is where the UPA has been a spectacular failure. Readers may be shocked to note that the Human Development Index (HDI) for India in 2004 was 124 while in 2011 it was 131. In short, the spectacular economic growth under the UPA regime has meant very little for most in the absence of improvement of the HDI.
Wherever India has progressed - say for instance maternal mortality or in infant mortality rate - neighbouring countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan and Sri Lanka have done equally well or even in some parameters, spectacularly better. Similarly, on the ease of doing business index or on corruption, India has either stagnated or has deteriorated in the UPA regime when compared to her global peers. On the overall confidence of doing business, the decade under UPA has been a lost cause.
No doubt, while there is a conspiracy of co-incidences at a global level, the fact remains that for the present downturn the UPA has to blame itself. When the going was good, the UPA indulged in fiscal profligacy. Assuming an eight per cent growth to be a new norm, these managers never thought of a rainy day.
This was the time for India to improve its infrastructure, reforms its tax and labour laws, bring about fiscal discipline, improve governance, set institutions in order, create employment, impart skills to its youth while seek to improve human development index. Frankly UPA lost the plot between 2004 and 2008, not now. Now is the time to lament.'
www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-budget-special-has-upa-killed-the-india-growth-story/20130128.htm
"Firstly, there is still a mystery as to what exactly happened in Godhra, and who was responsible for the killings." Katju
Other mysteries that preoccupy Katju:
- When I turn on the TV, I see people moving on the screen. Yet when I open up the TV, there are no people inside. It is still a mystery how people can be put into my TV to sing and dance whenever I turn on the power, and who is responsible for this. You may not believe this but I have even seen Kareena Kapoor sleeping inside my TV.
- I am a Kashmiri Pandit but there are no Pandits left in Kashmir. It is still a mystery to me as to what exactly happened to all my fellow Pandits, and who is responsible for their disappearance. The last time I was in Srinagar, I asked my Muslim neighbours about this, but they said they had no idea either. I believe them because like me, they are all immigrants to India.
- 90% of Indians are idiots. The remaining 10% of Indians are liars. It is still a mystery to me as to whether I am a idiot or a liar. On the other hand, since I am an immigrant to India, I may be neither. This is very confusing. Let me issue a Supreme Court judgement on some issue I know nothing about - it always cheers me up. I am not a Supreme Court Judge anymore? When did this happen? It is still a mystery to me as to when I was kicked off the bench. Who is responsible for this?
GIVE ME ALSO A FREE HOUSE IN LUTYENS DELHI, FREE LEXURY CAR WITH UNLIMITED PETROL & DRIVER, FREE AIR TRAVEL ALL OVER INDIA & STAY IN FIVE STAR HOTELS and FOUR HOUSE SERVANTS AT GOVT EXPENSE and just enough pay to eat DAL ROTI when at the LUTYENS DELHI HOUSE- I too will write as my MASTERS WANT.
It looks like Katju and Justice Bannerjee have graduated from same law school. ""
Maha ji
That Law School's Principal must be Abhisek Manu Singhvi .
"Firstly, there is still a mystery as to what exactly happened in Godhra, and who was responsible for the killings"
It looks like Katju and Justice Bannerjee have graduated from same law school.
Katjujee says that he has also criticised CM and the Government Maharshatra in facebook episode. But can Katjujee can honestly say that he would have reacted in the same manner if someone had commented in the similar manner on some of his his favourites from his favourite party. I have no doubt that he did so because such insulting comments were made on the facebook against a Leader who was hated by Muslims. In addition to this we must not ignore the fact that such insensitive and insulting facebook comment was made by a Muslim lady and it must not be overlooked. Even the media supported only because the comments were made against a leader who was not a special darling of the media.
Shocking- I never thought this man Katju was such a great fool! You base your opinion on a casual conversation with a co-passenger on a 40 minute flight from Delhi to Bhopa, you read one article in the Hindu by Ramchandra Guha(associated with the Nehru memorial library for long) and you jump to a conclusion and chage against a state, its people and their elected chief minister. Shame on such justices. You are very communal, very offending and the government should book you for spreading hatred against the Hindus. If you don't "buy that story", how do you think readers will buy your absurd, provocative, hate speech of an article? What do you think of yourself that you berate others as "so called educated". You are notoriously stupid to think that you alone are the educated. Your education is so faultry that you betray hatred against the business community in the typical Manuwadi mentality. The Kashmiris were perhaps not wrong to punish your brethren for you must have offended them bitterly. And your arrogance sees no limits: you define development in your own way and judge others on that scale only even as it is flawed, uninformed and foolish. Behave with some maturity Katju-you are endlessly irritating.
The killings of thousands of Muslims and other atrocities on them in Gujarat in 2002 can never be forgotten or forgiven. All the perfumes in Arabia cannot wash away the stain on Modi in this connection 'Katju
Well sir from where you got the figures of of 'the killings of thousands of Muslims ' ???
The Minister of Home Affairs had informed Rajya Sabha that nearly 900 Muslims were killed and 270 Hindus killed .
Sir you are a Ret SC Judge we expected true and true factual data . Sir from where you got the figre that thousands of Muslims killed in 2002 where as your presnt employer GOI says otherwise .
And can you tell sir : how many Muslims and Hindus were killed in secu rules since 1947 by the Police to quel riots ? What you say about butchery of Sikhs in 1984 .By your logic Rajiv Gandhi should not have been a PM ,so should have been Indira not a PM and finally by your own yardstick none of the Secu Sarkar can rule India .Then how can Manmohan be PM when he has not done anything for the victims of 1984 ??
Respected Katju sahib we learnt Justuice is blind .Judges favour and differentiate none. They decide on basis of Truth . On basis of Facts of 2002,the Riot figures and the comparative Figures of Developement in Gujarat under Modi and Secu Rulers why should not Modi be PM ??
Sir we hope to be enlightened by your wisdom the issue .
''UPA government: A decade of decay!
That in short is the legacy of Dr. Singh - an unaccountable, incompetent yet highly over paid administration. A lost decade? Worse still - a decade of decay? Mostly the later, I guess.
In effect this is the grand design of UPA Government: keep people poor, argue for state intervention, spend billions and then swindle the allocation. The latest GHI report brings about some dismal figures relating to India [ Images ].
Ranked 65 amongst 79 countries, obviously, India's record in tackling hunger is abysmal. What must shock the reader is that Malawi (Ranked 45), Mali (49), Uganda (42) Benin (38) and Ghana (20) - mostly poor under-developed sub-Saharan African countries are ranked much above us in tackling hunger. Interestingly, two of our neighbhours - Pakistan (57) and Sri Lanka [ Images ] (37) too seem to have a better record on this matter. So does North Korea (52).
Now comes the interesting part. Between early nineties (1992-94) and later part of the last decade (2006-08), Burkina Faso (it is a landlocked country in west Africa around 274,200 square kilometres in size) reduced the proportion of undernourished population from 14 per cent to 8 per cent, Congo from 42 per cent to 13 per cent, Honduras from 19 per cent to 12 per cent, Niger from 37 per cent to 16 per cent, Nigeria from 16 per cent to 6 per cent and Sudan from 39 per cent to 22 per cent. While countries like Congo and Sudan have shown extraordinary progress, others too have made rapid strides in tackling hunger.''
www.rediff.com/business/column/budget-column-upa-government-a-decade-of-decay/20130218.htm
Well Mr Katju what you are willfuly hiding and not statingly cunningly that Gujarat Indicators are far far better than other India States specially Congress ruled.
On your very criteria of hunger and development within a decade's rule Modi not only washed out the webs of nearly 50 years of misrule of Congress and other Sarkars supported by it but has brought way ahead Gujarat miles ahead from the Congress period.
MR KATJU YOU NOT STATED HALF TRUTHS BUT ALSO MICHIEVIOUSLY IGNORED TOTAL DEVELOPMENT INDICATORS TOO .
So what are your intentions a Governorship or an Ministerial Post or extension or an Ambassadorial post ??
Tragedy is that some retired Judges of superior Courts readily resort to half truths and personal gains for self. Another such Judge is Banerjee .
Justice Katju is known to put his foot in his mouth. It's true that Katju has been critical of both Congress and non Congress state governments in the past. If he chided the Bihar government for press freedom, he has indeed attacked the Congress government in Maharashtra for Facebook arrest of two girls. To accuse him of political partisanship doesn't really hold the ground if we look at him in the role of PCI chairman. If he can take on the central government on the issue of illegal detention of Iftikhar Gilani', it surely shows him as a self annointed conscience keeper of media freedom who takes his post retirement job seriously.
The article on Gujarat is more about his own political views than his views as the PCI Chairman. Whether (or not) an official whose job is quasi-judicial should be allowed to vent his political views publicly is a question more about apolitical bureaucracy and personal freedom. Gujarat riots are going to be a major issue in 2014 elections as elevation of Modi for PM in waiting looks certain for the moment. The way Jaitley has attacked Katju makes it look more certain than ever before.
<<To call the killings of Muslims in 2002 as a spontaneous reaction reminds one of Kristallnacht >>
Justice Katju's knowledge about Nazi Germany is shady at best. The Kristallnacht massacre was executed by Nazis after 5 years in power and was a precursor to Holocaust. In those intervening 5 years, the anti Jewish policies of nazis were open to everyone. Right from segregation of Jews, taking away the voting rights, hounding Jewish intelligenstia, not allowing Jews to participate in Olympics, making Jews wear a yellow cloth, the Nazi analogy sounds ludicurous. In fact the Kristallnacht incident was more of a massacre than a riot where 91 Jews were killed by Nazis. Post Godhra killings in Gujarat were riots and the Gujarat riots are certainly not the worse riots in India. To compare what happened in Gujarat with Nazi Germany is absolutely idiotic.
This article does not surprise me. The person who gave us saare jahan se achchha and later was one of the main architect of Pakistan was also originally from a Kashmiri Pundit (Sapru) family converted to Islam. We are idiots to have institued national award in his name. I also believe that India does not need a Pakistan to harm India and and especially Hindus. We have many High Caste Indian Hindus who will willingly doing it.
Shame that this man is the head of the Press Council & was a Judge !!.
Vinod, Pranoy, Rajdeep are well known for biased reporting, now this man make them look like minnows.
The Congress, SP, RJD combine has the worst record in our country's history & this man ignores it completely. Modi is to be held accountable for the 2002 riots, no doubt. But what about Dynastic Politics, Emergency, 1984 Riots, Bofors, JMM Bribery, Cash for vote, 2G & the endless corruption issues of UPA ? How can Katju be silent on such vital issues when India is shamed worldwide.
Governers of the state, Head of the different governing bodies are becoming openly biased when they are supposed to be neutral to the core on all issues.
Its high time Social Activists take up the issue of finding a way to ensure, person holding such offices are not Partisan.
Someone from Nehru-Gandhi family should be declared PM nominee
When I first read the headline, I thought it was Katju making this statement.
"In the whole of India Muslims (who are over 200 million of the people of India) are solidly against Modi (though there are a handful of Muslims who for some reason disagree)." Even Muslims donot know the minds of 200 million muslims , but here Katju is sooooo sure!!
It is really pathetic standard of our judicial system that the persons who have scant regards for data and basis of information can rise to the highest courts... I think Mr. Katju does not know that during 1975 there were continuous riots and killings in Ahmedabad of Gujrat in which many Muslims were killed.... Gujrat has very violent history going back to Mohd Gazani....By using such language against most popular politician he is pushing moderates to the side of hardliners ( of both ends. )
People who continue to harp on Guj 2002 conveniently forget Delhi 1984 anti sikh riots and extermination of Kashmiri Pandits. Congress boasts of RTI and RTE as their showpiece contribution to counter Guj Development but can people eat information and education like Mr.Katju asks about eating roads and electricity. Since the usual modi bashing media also seem to have slightly softened their ire on modi of late the gap is trying to be filled by such articles I think.The educated people have realised the folly of pseudo secularism and have become smarter.
( Katju ) he is a Kashmiri Pandit but Katju himself does not seem to be bothered by the fact that Kashmiri Pandits have been ethnically cleansed by the same Muslims for whom he sheds so many tears in this article."
Oh God now I understand why Kashmir Muslims wanted to get rid of Pandits !
I don’t understand if Modi’s critics are actually doing what they pretend to do. Are they criticizing Modi’s governance record OR magnifying and highlighting Modi’s good governance track record?
Malnutrition is what you have been hearing from last one year every time Gujarat and Modi is mentioned. Underline message is clear. Most of the problem in Gujarat like unemployment, education, growth, industrial development, infrastructure, social harmony etc are being either solved or largely controllable under the Modi’s rule.
Only serious problem India is facing now is malnutrition in Gujarat. Saba Naqvis, Katjus, Guhas, Outlooks etc have cleverly accepted Gujarat’s unique progress in most of parameters but zeroed down on malnutrition.
India has got largest share of population that lives in acute poverty, hunger and extreme inhumane conditions. Gujarat has got its share out of Indian problems.
If within 10 year Modi has been able to successfully solve most of problems barring malnutrition then it speaks for Modi’s incredible governing skills. He has never denied that there is no malnutrition in Gujarat.
Modi in his victory speech on 20th December 2012 not only spoke about his achievements but also mentioned incomplete work which he would be carrying forward.
Well, Katju’s timepass article has been shot down by many. But more worrying is his Court orders which he has delivered in the capacity of Judge including at SC. A strongly opinionated mind like Katju will be more prone to miscarriage of justice.
It is claimed by Modi supporters that what happened in Gujarat was only a 'spontaneous' reaction (pratikriya) of Hindus to the killings of 59 Hindus in a train in Godhra. I do not buy this story. Firstly, there is still a mystery as to what exactly happened in Godhra, and who was responsible for the killings.
This is unacceptable in a country run by constitution! you seems to be living in a fools paradise ....as if your pronouncements as gospel! Old man we had enough of you!! what you said above makes me believe people like you harm the nation much more than the riots that kill people!...
Congress urgently needs services of Kul Guru Diggi ji ji due 2014. Katju has just now circulated his CV as replacement of Digi ji ji ji. His best quality is that he becomes a Bull in China shop and consitently, produces astoundingly terrific results depending on stages of Moon !
Katju is best substitute for Digi .All including Secus too vote for him !
Let the katjus and other seculars of the country be aware that it was not just the Hindu goondas that massacred the Muslims. By taunting the deaths of 59 Hindus, these sickulars actively contributed in flaming the tempers.
The secrecy about 250-odd Hindu deaths remains guarded. Who killed them? Modi? His police? Muslims? Whichever answer you choose, You either exonerate the Gujarat administration from charges of targeting the Muslims, or put the mullah bigots in teh docks for riots and murders.
Dear Sir,
This is not the first time that Katju has put his shoe in his mouth. He will continue to do so as long as his masters want him to do.
The crudeness of behaviour, intemperate language, intolerance to unflattering comments and , above all, arrogance that Khatju exhibits may be because he comes from a judicial background where he could afford to be angry and ill tempered with nobody daring to talk back to him. Even so, while serving as a judge, he couldn't have made such sweeping comments that he is making now. Once he has relinquished office, all his pentup feelings are gushing out.It may be worthwhile revisiting all of Khatju's judgements. Khatju's behaviour is very ominous because, there may be many more like him in the judiciary nursing deep rooted hatred, paranoia,and personal agendas.
"Katju's Wikipedia entry, which was obviously written by him since it is filled with praise for him, says that he is a Kashmiri Pandit"
His families proximity to congress also can be seen on Wikipedia...His Grand Father served Nehru's govt....What else can you expect from congress stooges..
Katju is a disgrace. He should be sacked.
Katju's Wikipedia entry, which was obviously written by him since it is filled with praise for him, says that he is a Kashmiri Pandit but Katju himself does not seem to be bothered by the fact that Kashmiri Pandits have been ethnically cleansed by the same Muslims for whom he sheds so many tears in this article.
The complete ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits and the mass liquidation of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh in the past 50 years are probably the most successful and complete democides in the post WWII period - even the Khmer Rouge were not as "successful" as Muslims have been in every part of the Indian subcontinent where they are in a majority. Yet Katju has nothing at all to say about the destruction of his own people, while finding time to make accusations against Modi without providing the slightest bit of evidence.
If you want to see what 1000 years of dhimmitude can do to a human mind or you want to see the slave-like mentality of non-Muslims in an Islam-suffocated area like Kashmir, you don't have to look further than one Markandeya Katju, Kashmiri Pandit.
Only one word symbolizes Katju - Diggy-II
I read this article when it was originally published in The Hindu and a second time here. Katju is the Chairman of the Press Council of India. However, try as I might, I could not find one word about press (or even media at large) being under attack in Gujarat. Surely, this is the remit of Katju's post.
Instead, Katju makes statements which are verbatim lifts from the Congress playbook which have been rejected thrice by the people of Gujarat. If Katju wishes to play politics, he is welcome to do so, but he should first shed the shackles on his right to freely express his opinion by stepping down from his post.
This article does nothing to diminish Narendra Modi who has been called worse (remember maut ka saudagar) and has emerged stronger each time. It does however, remove whatever semblance of credibility Katju has as a sane, balanced individual fit to hold a quasi judicial post and places him in thecategory of Digvijay Singh (26/11 : RSS ke saazish), whom no one takes seriously, least of all his own party. While this behaviour is not only accepted but expected from Digvijay Singh, Katju has discredited not only himself but his organisation.
No doubt those who defend the PCI Chairman suo moto criticising a state government's policies are the same people who feel there is nothing wrong with a Union Home Minister stating that the principal opposition party runs training camps for terrorists. These are the same people who form Katju's 90%, in which group Katju himself will find himself in good company.
I will only quote Mark Twain who said “It's better to stay silent and look a fool, rather than speak and remove all doubt.”. Yes, I know, it comes a little too late for Justice (sadly) Katju.
All riots in Indian are provoked by media propaganda ( upto and including anti-male rage against 'gangrape' recently )
Katju could do well to understand this too, and issue appropriate warnings.
The malnourished children of Gujarat can eat the roads, electricity and factories which Modi has created ! Yes sir , they can because these tangible elements provide economic opportunities , jobs , income and the ability to buy food and shelter. Exactly what is needed. At least you agree that Modi has created these things which most of the rest of India lacks. How is that not an achievement ? I have failed to understand your upside down logic. Would you rather have factories that do not run, rolling blackouts and roads that are only on the maps? Motion denied!
Ramachandra Guha says essentially the same thing:
"Like Mrs. Gandhi once did, Mr. Modi seeks to make his party, his government, his administration and his country an extension of his personality. The political practice of both demonstrates the psychological truth that inside every political authoritarian lies a desperately paranoid human being. Mr. Modi talks, in a frenetic and fearful way, of ‘Rome Raj’ and ‘Mian Musharraf’ (lately modified to ‘Mian Ahmed Patel’); Mrs Gandhi spoke in likewise shrill tones of the ‘foreign hand’ and of ‘my enemies.’ ....Mr. Modi is conspicuously unfitted to be the reconciling, accommodating, plural, democratic Prime Minister that India needs and deserves. He loves power far too much."
www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-man-who-would-rule-india/article4390286.ece
How about the thousands of sikhs killed by Congressmen in 1984, Mr Katju? Don't they deserve any justice? What about the fact that many of these murderers are still sitting in top positions in the present government? Don't they deserve punishment along with Narendra Modi?
Justice Katju's bold statement must become a clarion call for the nation.
This is unacceptable in a country run by constitution! you seems to be living in a fools paradise ....as if your pronouncements as gospel! Old man we had enough of you!! what you said above makes me believe people like you harm the nation much mo