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1/D-5
Feb 14, 2013
01:44 AM

It is one of those situations in which whatever the government had done it would have been criticized.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-11
Feb 14, 2013
03:53 AM

 The signatories above, who claim that "Mr Afzal's guilt was not established beyong reasonable dount" , must be lying , because the Supre Court after due process found him guilty of being an accomplice and conspirator to the attack that killed severel security force personnel.

In United States, under similar conditions, the state, media and the political parties would focus on the plight of the families of the security forces who were killed in the attack, to which Mr Afzal was an accomplice. The sentencing and execution would be justified as bring justice to the families of the people killed by the attack.

In India, its totally perverse. There is hardly any coverage of the families who lost their bread winner or father or son in the attack. All the media attention and sympathy seems to be reserved for the accomplice to the attack.

Thats grotesque.

Gurudev Shorey
Houston, United States
3/D-15
Feb 14, 2013
05:03 AM

 Good that there are 202 intellectuals who fall beyond the pale of what is sometimes referred to as the collective conscience of society.

ashok lal
mumbai, India
4/D-21
Feb 14, 2013
06:04 AM

I am in full agreement with the signatories here. In my understanding of the media reports over time, Afzal could be remotely connected to the terror strike on the parliament if at all, even if he had past association with anti-state elements.

And there is prima facie grounds to believe that Afzal has been framed by the state intelligence and security authorities to cover up for their own incompetence to safeguard the parliament and counter terrorism in Kashmir. The state failed to provide him adequate legal means to defend in the court hearings. Obviously, the state had its own shortcomings to hide in standing up to terrorism.

In the final count, there was the provision of clemency in the hands of the president.  That has not been properly dealt with either. All in all, the state seems to have been in great haste in carrying out the sentence disregarding all norms of accounatibility.

This president needs to clarify and justify his action in rejecting the clemency to the people of India - there is no way out for him. Otherwise he will prove himself as another stooge in the hands of the Congress party who appointed him. The office of the president must proven to be apolitical.

It is heartening to see that citizens groups are gearing up for mounting protest - hopefully such movement will snow ball. But, alas all the major political parties, and that includes the communists, are in unision here and closing ranks.

It reminds of the dark days of emergency when injustice on individuals in the hands of the state machinery was the order of the day. But this incident has eclipsed all such events of the past.  

This was not just the murder of Afzal Guru. This was a political decision taken deliberately to find a sacrificial lamb - it will go down in the history of the nation as the murder of "Secular India" in the hands of those who trumpet secularism incessantly. Evil forces have taken over the nation and right thinking citizens have to fight them out.

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
5/D-29
Feb 14, 2013
08:10 AM

"Good that there are 202 intellectuals who fall beyond the pale of what is sometimes referred to as the collective conscience of society."

They may or may not be right all the time BUT you need a small group to challenge the present day collective conscience of a society for a the hope of a better conscience tomorrow. Conscience and that too collective has to be improved daily .... one is not just born on a day with good or bad conscience and it remains so till the end.

Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
6/D-39
Feb 14, 2013
10:07 AM

 The 202 eminent academecs, litterateurs, film personalities, actvists etc (most of whom, being the illiterate uncultured, insensitive boor that I am, I have never heard of) have raised two issues.

First that the SC erred in convicting Guru. This has been discussed ad nauseum and is a non starter. The court has examined all the issues raised and still arrived at a guilty verdict. The SC decision is final and quibbling till eternity may make the quibblers feel righteous and good, but serves no purpose. The very basis of the mercy petition is that the convict having been found guilty by judicial process throws himself at the mercy of the ruler (in this case the President advised by his Council of Ministers). Such clemency is not meant to reverse a judicial decision. A normal prerequisite for pleading for clemency is that the offender expresses remorse for his actions.

Second is that the manner of execution was callous. I am fully in agreement with this point of view. Afzal Guru was denied the normal (i Can't get the word) courtesy or privileges afforded to any other condemned person. There is no excuse for this and the government rightly stands in the dock for its behaviour.

PS. The death sentence should be abolished.

PPS. I see Outlook's very own Political Editor has signed this letter. Is this her personal opinion or does it reflect the editorial policy of Outlook? When will we have an article starting with one paragraph about the Home Minister and then ten others describing how it is the BJP, RSS ect which are actually responsible.

Bonita
Chennai, India
7/D-48
Feb 14, 2013
10:52 AM

“We write to you in deep anguish, despair but in outrage as well. Afzal Guru was hanged on Saturday (9th February 2013) in secrecy. We have been told— after the hanging— that you rejected the mercy petition filed by Guru’s wife Tabassum, on 3rd February.”


Are they in anguish that president rejected Afjals mercy petition, or they are in general against death penalty? I am against deth penalty!
 

“We believe that you made a grave error in rejecting the mercy petition. If you had perused the trial records and the lengthy documentation put together over the years by lawyers and civil rights activists, or even the “Supreme Court judgment which sentenced Afzal to death”, you would have known, that “his guilt was never established beyond reasonable doubt”.


What these self appointed intellectuals, with media support, mean is that judges at Supreme Court are either idiots or incompetent in law or had sinister motives to send him to gallows for some communal or perhaps personnel haltered. Or may folks at Supreme Courts should have checked with Jamia University to find out if they are convinced that his guilt has been established beyond reasonable doubt. Perhaps, Supreme Court also should start telling Jamia teachers that they are deep anguished, despaired and outraged because they cannot cultivate good citizenry among their student!


“The fact that the Court appointed as amicus curiae (friend of the court) a lawyer in whom Afzal had expressed no faith; the fact that he went legally unrepresented from the time of his arrest till his so-called confession, the fact that the court asked him to either accept the lawyer appointed by the Court or cross examine the witness himself should surely have concerned you while considering his mercy petition.”


Do these signatory in this Colum know about “amicus curiae” May be some legal activist wrote the column and all signed it because something they believed in.
Amicus Curiae is someone who is not a party to a case who offers (not appointed as these learned professors indicate) information that bears on the case but that has not been solicited by any of the parties to assist a court. This may take of the form in a way to introduce concerns ensuring that the possibly broad legal effects of a court decision will not depend solely on the parties directly involved in the case. But the decision on whether to admit the information lies at the discretion of the court. Did Supreme Court deviate from this?


“His personal history of being a surrendered militant, of harassment and torture at the hands of STF, as well as his statement in open court that he had indeed helped Mohammad, one of the attackers on the Parliament, find a house and obtain a car, the same car used in the attack, but at the orders of his STF handlers, should have spurred a full-scale investigation into the allegations. The citizens of this country do not know if one was ordered at all”


So these smarty pants admit that he is a militant that he helped, one of the attackers on the Parliament find a house and obtain a car, the same car used in the attack.
Fair enough, what is your beef? That he was hanged or his STF handlers did spurred a full-scale investigation into the allegations. I do not know if they did or not. But such problems are all over in Indian system. Wonder, why these dudes were not noticing it all along. BUT ONLY NOW!


“It is also a fact that the much-hyped investigation of the Parliament attack case and its prosecution resulted in two full acquittals and conviction of another for concealing knowledge of the crime. It was almost as if there was a need to at least ensure one death sentence so that the faith of the public / society in the efficacy of the prosecution and the judiciary and the Legislature which represented the ‘State” would not be shaken. Surely this was not a case where even the government of the day was convinced of the guilt of Afzal; but treated it like a case that was far too important for all accused to be acquitted. We must remind you sir that the Supreme Court threw out the confessions of both Afzal and Shaukat which obviously indicated that the investigation had been far from fair.”
 

You mean when we had two full acquittals judiciary worked. The other guy did not get acquittal so judiciary does not work! Is that your point? Let us know on whose part there was a need to at least ensure one death sentence so that the faith of the public. Sounds like Police, Prosecution and Judiciary all somehow colluded to put him to death to get death penalty. Perhaps media was part it. This are sounds similar: -- Sounds like Jews/American Government were responsible for 9/11 or Osama is still alive! BJP wanted to hang him long time ago. May be you should have shot this letter in many times in last three years, why now?


By the time I reached here I got nauseated and started wondering about these “educated” fools!
 

Pramod
Phoenix, United States
8/D-56
Feb 14, 2013
11:23 AM

>>If you had perused the trial records and the lengthy documentation put together over the years by lawyers and civil rights activists, or even the Supreme Court judgement which sentenced Afzal to death, you would have known, that his guilt was never established beyond reasonable doubt.

The problem with our bleeding heart liberals is that they believe they always have exclusive knowledge of the truth which is not available to even the SC! When they say guilt was never established beyond reasonable doubt, it somehow escapes them that the due process (trial court to HC to SC) did exactly that!

These liberals would prefer their own kangaroo court.

Anyway instead of listening to these perpetual whiners, here is Guru's own confession to TV channels. It does not look like he was being coerced under POTA by Aaj Tak!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zJcFO8VvqA

RSM
Delhi, India
9/D-57
Feb 14, 2013
11:29 AM

All these people who are critisizing Goverment should remember that The Mercy Petition was filed by his wife and not by Afzal . He said he refused to file mercy petition because Afzal didnot believe in Indian constitution. This fact gives motivation for  attack on Indian Parliament. This fact should be highlighted by the Civil Society if they think they believe in thruth. Otherwise they are like any other sales men who want to sell their product. 

Anil P
Akola, India
10/D-60
Feb 14, 2013
11:40 AM

 #8 >> here is Guru's own confession to TV channels. It does not look like he was being coerced under POTA by Aaj Tak!

Why did Afzal confess? 

Afzal says he was under duress to make a particular kind of statement in the media and then in the confession. In a letter to Kumar, Afzal clarifies: “In Srinagar at Parompora police station (after he was arrested) everything of my belongings was seized and then they beat me and threatened me of dire consequences regarding my wife and family. Even my younger brother was taken in the police custody.”

The fact that he was under threat and duress, and was instructed to utter only a select few things to the media that suited the prosecution story is clearly shown when the investigating officer of this case, Rajbeer Singh, then acp in the Special Cell, shouted at Afzal in front of the rolling camera, when the latter said “Geelani is innocent.” Shams Tahir Khan of Aaj Tak did the interview. He told the court in his submission that Singh shouted at Afzal directing him not to say a word about Geelani. “Rajbeer had requested us not to telecast that line spoken by accused (Afzal) about Geelani. So when the programme was telecast on December 20 (2001) this line was removed.”

Afzal made a confession on similar lines a day later on December 21. While Geelani refused to confess, Afzal explains, “This was first told to me by Rajbeer Singh…if I will speak according to their wishes they will not harm my family members and also gave me false assurances that they will make my case weak so that after sometime I will be released.”  archive.tehelka.com/story_main21.asp

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
11/D-61
Feb 14, 2013
11:53 AM

 By signing Parliament attack convict Mohammed Afzal Guru's execution warrant, President Pranab Mukherjee has ordered death penalty for three convicts in the last six months, and today he rejects mercy plea of four Veerappan associatesa, a rate faster than any President in the last 15 years, while his predecessor Prativa Patil granted clemency to 34 convicts — including four rapist-killers — and the GOI has not acted so far on the politically sensitive case of former PM Rajiv Gandhi's assassins — Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan, whose mercy petitions were rejected by her.

The Bangali Babu is definitely upbeat about carrying out death penalties, and soon will find his name in the record books for topping the lists of Presidents in the subcontinent, who had not blinked in carrying out death penalties awarded by the court of law,

Regarding Afjal Guru's case, the article by Arundhuty Roy, "And his life should become extinct" speaks volumes about vindictive trial, and biased media, and how the Govt, had to hide their intelligence and security failure, by making him a scapegoat

Browse http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?232979

Shyamal Barua
Kolkata, India
12/D-63
Feb 14, 2013
12:22 PM

#8

From Afzal Guru's letter to his lawyer

In the Parliament attack case I was entrapped by Special Task Force of Kashmir. Here in Delhi the designated court sentenced me to death on the basis of special police version which works in nexus with STF, and also came under the influence of mass media in which I was made to accept the crime under duress and threat by special police ACP. Rajbir Singh. That threat even get confirmed to designated court by T.V. interviewer (Shams Tahir Aaj-Tak).

outlookindia.com/article.aspx 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
13/D-69
Feb 14, 2013
01:35 PM

>>as made to accept the crime under duress and threat by special police ACP. Rajbir Singh.

Right! In the interview he was so clear about things he knew and those he didn't - like three spoke to their family in Pakistan and the other two spoke in another room so he couldn't hear. Such clarity under duress! In the interview he talks about task force picking him up and torturing him without reason, taking his money and harassing him. Is this the type of interview you give under duress and treat from the police?

RSM
Delhi, India
14/D-70
Feb 14, 2013
01:54 PM

#13 RSM

Have you heard of Russian Show trials of 1930s? Bukharin confessed and withdrew his confession when it was read out to him

  it is now known that his interrogators were given order, "beating permitted,"[citation needed] and were under great pressure to extract confessions out of the "star" defendant. Bukharin held out for three months, but threats to his young wife and infant son, combined with "methods of physical influence" wore him down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Trials

However, after seven months, Afzal disowned this confession and the Supreme Court did not accept the earlier confession as an evidence against him.
In the interview given to several media houses, he openly confessed that he was the person who brought the other four people involved in Parliament attack. He also said that he was asked to motivate Mohammad to achieve the target as soon as possible.But later it was revealed that these confessions were made under duress. This was the opinion of the senior Lawyer of the Supreme Court Ms Kamini Jaiswal who was representing him in the Supreme Court of India. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afzal_Guru

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
15/D-76
Feb 14, 2013
02:26 PM

>>Have you heard of Russian Show trials of 1930s? Bukharin confessed and withdrew his confession when it was read out to him

Your response has nothing to do with the points I raised.

RSM
Delhi, India
16/D-81
Feb 14, 2013
03:50 PM

Bi Saroja

Ignoring your comments about me like spineless ,kam-akal ,be-dimag etc .That language is used by all the Secus when cornered you are no exception.

1. You have not answered yet a simple and straight question as how many hindu rioters Police killed in 2002 and how many Hindu rioters were killed in thousands of Riots in Secu ruled States ???

To my knowledge one Hindu rioter was killed by Police in 2002 for two Muslims killed .
In other riots no Hindu rioter was killed against a lac minorities like Muslims-Sikhs killed .
You were shouting about 50000 to 2 lac Muslims killed in 1948 in Hyderabad by the Hindus .
So how many Rioters were killed by Police then when Nehru was ruling ??

Do you need to consult an Einstien to answere my simple query ??

You say you will reply me a detailed post in the night .Mam what reply you can give when there is no other figure than ZERO Hindu Rioters killed by Police during Secu Raj ???

2 " Who was behind the heinous attack on the symbol of Indian Democracy?
In Ansal Plaza shootout in 2002, two businessmen in a groggy state who were brought by the police were killed in a staged encounter. Unfortunately there was an eye witness to the whole thing. The men were initially claimed to be terrorists on a killer mission. The same decorated policemen were behind that also."" Saroja

Oh --OH- you have now clubbed  Ansal Plaza plus liquidation of Indian Mujahidins in Delhi to Parliament attack and now deducted that the Parliament was attacked by Delhi Police ????

Madam till now I thought you a Nakli Secular but alas you turned out worse than even Hafiz Saiyeed .You deseve a decoration from them  -Sitarey Lashkar .

You have now given clean chit to 5 Paki Terrorists killed in Parliament attack and also Afzal Guru whom you say all were innocents like Ansal Plaza victims !!!!

But Madam bi Saroja it is your own Secu Sarkar who delayed hanging first then finally hanged Guru .So please take up your explosive discoveries to them that innocent was hanged .

Better file a writ in SC for miscarriage of justice .But you have even caste doubts on their decisions too.

ASHOK KUMAR GHAI
Mumbai, India
17/D-83
Feb 14, 2013
04:10 PM

In this country jaan (life ) is cheap maal  ( pelf )is valuable.

By all accounts of his life appeared in a section of the mainstream media which relentlessly creates lynch mentality to enhance viwership Afjal Guru was not a nice man to know. A section of the same lynch media mob is now nit-picking about technicalities of process of hanghing Afjal Guru who by all accounts was a surrendered Pakistan trained militant & was a spook for myriads security agencies that now opertes in the country - particulaly in Kashmir. He was a useless man.

It looks Afjal was not a snow white lily & by all account was some what of a rascal. As I said jaan in our country is cheap. So death of Afjal Guru per se is not important . In our counrty hundreds die every day out of malnutrition , gangland fihgts, fighting over property dispute , accidents, extortion victims , latenight robberies , encounters & hundreds of other unnatural reasons.

I would not be judgmental on Afjal Guru's death. Apparently there was some procedural kinks -legal & in nexecution. But with Indian state expecting an perfectly procedurally sqeacky clean execution is expecting too much.

As I said hundreds meets unnatural death in this country. Some I mentioned . But the Supreme Court introduced another dimension to ratinalise Afjal Guru's death. Apparently he needed to be hanghed to satiate ''the collective conscience of the society''. This term I believe was one of the rational used by the court to confirm death sentennce.

And there I have problem. A great problem , indeed ! How do you determine 'the collective consience of the socieity' ? Based on jingoistic haragues of a handful TV anchors who raise demand for hanghing people to a crescendo along with carefully selected guests - picked & chosen ? Is the collective conscience of the nation is satisfied to gain political one-up-manship over poltical opponents?

Make extinct jaan  of people who do not matter. Done everyday. Jaan here is damn cheap.

But for God's sake not to satisfy ' collective conscience of the nation'. If 2G, CwG , Adarsh , coalmine , helicopter &  now what not  wallas , TV jingos in persuit of more viewerships & suich like are allowed to determinre the 'collective conscience of socieity' I really get the creeps.

Exitinct lives by all means. After all we are too many. But  not due such ephemeral reasons like ' collective conscience of the society.

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
18/D-92
Feb 14, 2013
05:44 PM

 One more murder int he name of collective consciousness of India.If the majority says so it should happen.This is the perils of democracy where majoritarianism prevails but not justice.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
19/D-95
Feb 14, 2013
06:52 PM

."But later it was revealed that these confessions were made under duress. This was the opinion of the senior Lawyer of the Supreme Court Ms Kamini Jaiswal who was representing him in the Supreme Court of India"

So we are supposed to believe the opinion of defence lawyer as truth. What else did she expect to say ? if court starts making judgements on opinion of defence lawyer, we will not have single conviction.

Are people suggesting that Afzal is stupid enough to confess in front of camera under duress  ? The guy is about to be convicted in terror attack and probably be hanged. He had everything to lose. I heard some stories that indian government held gun to head of his family to have him confess on some propoganda site. It looks like even though the site is anti-indian, they still get inspiration from bollywood movies.

Maha
NJ, United States
20/D-97
Feb 14, 2013
07:09 PM

 The news of Afzal's hanging came as quite a surprise ... although it was comforting that at last the justice was done to the men who died defending the Indian parliament and those inside it on that cold December day of 2001. But on hindsight Afzal's execution nearly more than 6 years after its scheduled date (20th Oct 2006), one is left bewildered as to why this delay and why all of a sudden now.

A mercy petition by his wife was filed soon after to then president Kalam when UPA-I was well with its heels entrenched in power, but in 2007 SC firmly dismissed the appeal for review of the death sentence saying "there was no merit in it." The govt just procrastinated apparently with an eye on the volatile situation in the Kashmir valley as well as its Muslim vote bank. One could perhaps very stoically let the govt get away with its dilemma vacillating over an issue as crucial as this concerning the national security, but not for its timidity all these years as the reasons behind this pusillanimous cowardly conduct are quite clear.

Now that, the govt is running scared because of scams that are allowed to happen during its tenor and which are being uncovered with increasing frequency, popularity of Narendra Modi and the challenges that he poses plus govt's own record of being soft on terrorism, it is suddenly woken up to the reality.

So, a new Home minister comes in and the Kasab was hanged. Then to counter-balance, the honourable new HM on similar lines as his predecessor speaks of "Hindu/Saffron terror" then retreats immediately to correct himself that terrorism has no colour as if people don’t already know that; then goes ahead and get the president to reject the Afzal Guru mercy petition and hangs the wretched man in the quiet hours of the morning without even making sure that his wife and relations are informed in advance, let alone let them meet him before his death.

And then the great GoP of India swears by the Mahatmas and its PM speaks of the great civilisation that India is ...

The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
21/D-99
Feb 14, 2013
08:02 PM

It is said that Guru's conviction was on circumtential evidence.  Even if it is true, there are certain crimes when such convictions are warrented, For example killing of PM or president.  Attack on Parliament was one of such crimes.  It was an attack on Indian sovereignty.  It was not a simple murder case.  In such cases, 'deterant factors' takes on greater weight.

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
22/D-17
Feb 15, 2013
04:19 AM

The letter above is such a farce. It starts with "Afzal Guru was hanged on Saturday (9th February 2013) in secrecy."

In secrecy ? Did they want a public hanging at India gate after a public proclamation preceding it on national TV ? 

Gurudev Shorey
Houston, United States
23/D-18
Feb 15, 2013
04:52 AM

In the adjoining column Mr Raman has thrown some light on the Afzal Guru case to expose the complicity of the state in the entire saga but only as far as he could go as an ex-official. This should be transparent to all without prejudice, but it is worth to quote some of his words to highlight the cons of the case in view of the criss-cross logic in some of the posts here. 

"It will be incorrect to compare the execution of Ajmal Kasab, Pakistani member of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), .... with that of Afzal Guru, an Indian citizen from Jammu and Kashmir for his involvement in the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13, 2001, believed to have been mounted by the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), a Pakistani jihadi organization.

Kasab was a Pakistani citizen who was a member of the LET ..... He was one of the perpetrators who was seen carrying out the killings. The evidence against him was direct and documentary in the form of video recordings. There were no grounds for doubt and no mitigating factors.

In the case of Afzal Guru, the evidence produced by the prosecution before the court clearly showed he was a conspirator and an accomplice, who had facilitated the attack on the Parliament by voluntarily providing logistics assistance to the JEM perpetrators who carried out the attack. However, whereas Kasab was a perpetrator, Afzal Guru was an accomplice and facilitator, who did not actively participate in the attack on the ground..................

However, there were many mitigating factors in the case of Guru. He was an Indian citizen ... not known to have been an active member of any jihadi terrorist organization of India . He had reportedly undergone training in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir as a member of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) in the early 1990s, but the JKLF has since dissociated itself from acts of terrorism. He had no previous record of involvement in any act of mass casualty terrorism in Indian territory. He was an accomplice and not a perpetrator.

Political wisdom and foresight demanded that these mitigating factors should have been taken into consideration while deciding whether it was a fit case for carrying out the death penalty or whether ends of justice would be served by commuting the death sentence to life imprisonment."

One notes that Raman writes "evidence produced by the prosecution" and here the prosecutors were the state authorities. 

This must cast grave doubts in the minds of right thinking people about the validity of the case since the state authorities denied Afzal to have approrpiate legal support to defend himself against the charges brought by them against him.

The tactics of the state authorities are amply clear in this context:

                    HEADS I WIN, TAILS YOU LOOSE ! 

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
24/D-19
Feb 15, 2013
05:27 AM

 >>Ignoring your comments about me...

Well, such comments are not usually my style, but for once I felt like paying back in your own coin. A Modi fan calling others nakli secu etc.

>>To my knowledge one Hindu rioter was killed by Police in 2002 for two Muslims killed .

As per Gujarat Govt figures, about 1200 people were were killed in 2002. Out of this 950 were muslims. The number of people killed in police firing was 170.- 77 hindus and 93 muslims. That makes about one hindu rioter shot for over 12 muslims killed , In case you want to spread the myth that Modi employed Police to control riots, go back and read the newspaper reports. Hindu mobs were fired upon when they attacked police station. Ofcourse a few police officers fired at hindu mobs to save muslims. eg Rahul Sharma

 In 2004, when Indian Police Service officer Rahul Sharma deposed before the Modi government-appointed Nanavati Commission probing the riots, he had said after more Hindus died in police firing than Muslims in Bhavnagar, Gordhan Zadaphia, the state's the then junior home minister, had asked him to maintain ratio.

Sharma was the superintendent of police of Bhavnagar district during the riots.

According to Sharma, "Zadaphia had called, on March 16, 2002, and said that the toll in police firing in the district was weighted too heavily against the Hindu community as against the Muslims - at 5 to 1."

"I had explained to the minister that the casualty ratio in police firing depended on the composition of the mob… if 90% of the mob is Hindu, then obviously 90% of the casualty will be Hindus," he had deposed. www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Gujarat/More-Muslims-than-Hindus-died-in-firing-by-policemen/Article1-813915.aspx

Rahul Sharma is facing prosecution for revealing info. to Nanavati commission.  etc

>>In other riots no Hindu rioter was killed against a lac minorities like Muslims-Sikhs killed .

1984 Delhi was more of a pogrom than riot. But in the case of Bombay riots of 1992/3, a majority of victims in police firing were muslims, there were hindu victims also. You may remember the Cong. corporator Shanta Baria being shot dead in Tardeo.

>>You were shouting about 50000 to 2 lac Muslims killed in 1948 in Hyderabad by the Hindus

.The article by Swaminathan Aiyer was news to me. I was only asking that the report be tables so that we acknowlege the past and then move on.

I do not think you will understand anythimg that I have written , because it is not in your interest to face the facts about Modi.

Nor will you ever understand it that there are people (like me) who have opposed Congress brand of secularism, ie practising soft hindutva long before Modi or Ayodhya issue was in the horizon. When an ideology is rotten, there is nothing like moderates and extremists - each sustains the other.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
25/D-20
Feb 15, 2013
05:40 AM

 Pinaki S. Ray,

You might find the article of Mihir Srivastava in "Open" interesting --

My interest in the case was piqued in 2005, when, while trying to do a series of stories on fake encounters, I heard a senior cop describe it as “the biggest fake encounter in India”. This is something that I have never been able to establish, but a closer look threw up grave discrepancies in the case. The investigation had been done in a tearing hurry, and the conspiracy theory propounded by the Special Cell was a bundle of contradictions.

The same year, I sought the help of Nirmalangshu Mukherji, a professor of Philosophy at Delhi University, who had followed the case closely and had attended most of the court hearings. We discussed the details. Among the things that bothered us, according to the chargesheet filed by the Special Cell in 2002, the JeM’s supreme commander in India, Ghazi Baba, had been in touch with Afzal and Shaukat through satellite phone No 8821651150059 and Swiss telephone No 491722290100. This was meant to be clinching evidence of the Guru cousins’ link with the terror attack. But, strangely enough, the Special Cell didn’t deem it fit to investigate this any further. Says the chargesheet: ‘A request for obtaining the call details of the international telephone numbers and satellite phone numbers, which figured during the investigation of the case, has been made to Interpol, but the report is still awaited.’ This lead was never discussed or mentioned during the protracted period of the trials. Is the Interpol report, if obtained, a secret?

www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/the-question-of-reasonable-doubt

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
26/D-21
Feb 15, 2013
06:49 AM

@R.Saroja

Thanks for the link. I will go through it when I have time. I have scratched only the surface in this political development. One point is not clear to me: what is meant by "Apex Court" ? Is this some cell of the Supreme Court ?

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
27/D-22
Feb 15, 2013
06:50 AM

Repriduced below are some of the readers's comment to the news report in http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/President-Pranab-Mukherjee-may-turn-down-5-more-mercy-pleas/articleshow/18506687.cms

1. Merci! - scamnivas (Madras)

2. Brahmins have always been bloodthirsty throughout the history. I wish we had Dalit (KR Naryanan) or Muslim (APJ Abdul Kalam) back as President - sniperinthebushes (reddit dot com)

3. Bengali Butcher! - k4329 (IL)

4. India should have removed the authority of President to make final decision on Death penalty. President is doing all this now for Congress political moves, not for people safety; he is clearing cases held from 1990's - what he is trying to prove here now - India (Pune)

5. president in killer killing spree - Ashutosh Srivastava (gkp)

6. Pranabda seems to be playing with his keyboard - doing a ctrl-a delete on all mercy petitioners. Hope he knows that there is no recycle bin here - Akshay (Bangalore)

Hope Parnab da takes a cue from the reader's comments above.

Shyamal Barua
Kolkata, India
28/D-23
Feb 15, 2013
08:27 AM

It was indeed a grave error. Our merciless president loves to spill muslim blood using state machinery to appease the extremists in majority.
It is a sad precedent that Muslim blood is required for majority-appeasement. The Brahminical terrorism, whether state sponsored or by the RSS has to be encountered at all levels.
Pranab the merciless:(

Imran Ahmed Khan
Bangalore, India
29/D-28
Feb 15, 2013
10:06 AM

 #26

Apex means top or peak. Apex court means Supreme Court.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
30/D-31
Feb 15, 2013
11:42 AM

If there is Delhi rape case, the intellectuals will protest, if there is a hanging then intellectuals will protest, if there is a case of terrorism, intellectuals will protest, if there is corruption,......

Certainly we have intellectual crisis going on where protest qualifies people to intellectualism. If that be the case, Christopher Hitchens was the greatest intellectual of modern history as he only protested all his life. Afzal Guroo might not be completely guilty but he was not completely innocent too. He was well aware of attack on Indian parliament and he facilitated the attack. It's hard to believe that people are ready to protest anything and everything to become intellectuals

AbhishekSharman
New Delhi, India
31/D-39
Feb 15, 2013
02:51 PM

"It will be incorrect to compare the execution of Ajmal Kasab, Pakistani member of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), .... with that of Afzal Guru, an Indian citizen from Jammu and Kashmir for his involvement in the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13, 2001, believed to have been mounted by the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), a Pakistani jihadi organization"

Who asked B Raman to prove that this guy Afzal was Indian?

I dont remeber this J & K people considers themselves as Indian because most of the time they say "Your Police, Your Country, your people, your Army, your government etc., etc.,"...

So much is conscience got hurt then what was he doing this many years why he didnt  filed his version of argument in court?

"Jab Jagao Thab Savera"

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
32/D-40
Feb 15, 2013
03:09 PM

"According to Sharma, "Zadaphia had called, on March 16, 2002, and said that the toll in police firing in the district was weighted too heavily against the Hindu community as against the Muslims - at 5 to 1."

Later same Zadapia became blue eyes of this so called Human Rights that they started day dreaming that he will speak out against Modi as per there choice but fact is that Zadapia's version didnt added much weight to investigation to prosecute Modi....

Rahul Sharma, Sanjeev Bhaat are follower of Sree Kumar who did investigation of ISRO Spy scientist on behest of his suprior against NambiNarayan and now this poor scientist was aquitted of all charges and Sreekumar is hiding his face from public not appearing every now and then on media or else he will have to answer his own work and performance...

RB Sreekumar, then in the IB, was the kingpin, in putting the screws on the ISRO scientist Nambinarayanan.

Remember he is the knight in shining armor, who is ALWAYS right, and who will maintain a "register" of all illegal verbal orders he gets from his superiors, to keep his personal yard arm clear.

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
33/D-55
Feb 15, 2013
06:37 PM

" I dont remeber this J & K people considers themselves as Indian ..." - Post # 31/D-39

Gee, go back and read the history first before you come up with something like this next time.

It is recorded for the 1965 war with Pakistan, that Pakistan first started to infiltrate Kashmir by sending their jehadis and army personnel in plain clothes by various means across the LOC. Pak exploited the advantage of UN resolutions which prevented India to station more than a nominal number of soldiers and security personnel in Kashmir in those days.

At that time, when the Pakis were coming in, it was the villagers in J & K who captured them and started to report their infiltration to police station and army checkpoints which alerted the Indian military that something is brewing. They were handing over the Pakis to the army depots. And Gen Chaudhury rushed in army personnel in Poonch to intercept the jehadis following the villagers information. Bhutto's plan that the Kashmiris would rise up in jehad against Hindu India and welcome the Paki Muslims in open arms simply fizzled out.

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
34/D-57
Feb 15, 2013
07:02 PM

"At that time, when the Pakis were coming in, it was the villagers in J & K who captured them and started to report their infiltration to police station and army checkpoints which alerted the Indian military that something is brewing."

Then all of sudden what happned to KP's?

Love and Dokha?

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
35/D-59
Feb 15, 2013
07:11 PM

33/D-55
Feb 15, 2013
06:37 PM

For Bongs this KP's left valley voluntarily....Not thrown out...

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
36/D-69
Feb 15, 2013
09:17 PM

 Not a single Muslim & Suedo poster here approve dthe hanging of Guru except Faruki.

Muslims quote Democracy as the supreme  to be cherished by all.

Now since Afzal guru who was the Indian Connection along with Prof Geelani in the plot to Destroy the Temple of Democracy so our Secus and Muslims are now up in arms.

So much so the Demcracy they cherish .
Similar attitude we see their respect of Secularism .

BI SAROJA who has been moralising us about the Values of Secularism and Democracy is now the biggest defender of Afzal Guru an Indian Kashmiri who joined hands with Pakis and betrayed us . 
Incidentally the whole plot to attack Pariament was conceived and masterminded by Baba Gazi on whose behalf now BI SAROJA and Secus are protesting .

I always say secus have double standards -they have proved me time and again right !
Are they with us or with them ?? You can judge yourself whose spokespersons they are .

Koyi Shak ????

ASHOK KUMAR GHAI
Mumbai, India
37/D-77
Feb 15, 2013
09:45 PM

 BI Saroja

You are bright in numbers so let us examine your statement :

1.You said :

If 90 % rioters were Hindus so number Hindu rioters were killed will be more .

AGREED 

2. Now answere this question which has ariesen from above

If 100% Mob was of Hindus and in various periods under Congress rule if nearly a Lac of minorities were killed then naturally the number of Hindus killed by Police will be more higher .

 So how many Hindus were killed during Secu Rule in different rules ??

You are allowed to take help of all your Mein na manoo Secu brigade !

Come back when you all nakli Secus find an anwere to simple equation postulated by you !

ASHOK KUMAR GHAI
Mumbai, India
38/D-78
Feb 15, 2013
10:12 PM

 Nasar Ahmed >> This is the perils of democracy where majoritarianism prevails but not justice.

Yes,we have seen the perils of majoritarianism in the valley of Kashmir where a lumpen, fanatic talibani mindset drove away a minority groupe who worship another religion, another gods . 23 years have gone and still the majority has not done anything to welcome the minority into the state...

Ramki
Delhi, India
39/D-80
Feb 15, 2013
10:16 PM

 AN OPEN CHALLENGE TO THESE 202 PSEUDO INTELLECTUALS - 

WHY DONT YOU SIGN A PETITION, DEMANDING THE IMMEDIATE RESETLLEMENT OF THE HALF A MILLION OR SO KASHMIRI PANDITS, WHO HAVE BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF THE KASHMIRI VALLEY 23 years back by  Millitant IslamoFascists ?

PS - I BET ON MY LAST DOLLAR THAT YOU PSEUDO INTELLECTUALS WONT.. But still let us give a benefit of doubt. Please sign a petition in next 24 hours and prove your secular credentials.

Ramki
Delhi, India
40/D-81
Feb 15, 2013
10:17 PM

 >>ncidentally the whole plot to attack Pariament was conceived and masterminded by Baba Gazi on whose behalf now BI SAROJA and Secus are protesting .

You are a barefaced liar. Show me a single sentence of mine supporting Baba Gazi or whosoever was behind the Parliament Attack. Let me ask you few questions

1. Who was/were behind the 26/11 Mumbai attack ?

2. Nine of the 10 attackers were killed and Kasab was caught alive, tried and executed. So do you support the call to tryColeman  Headley and Hafiz Saeed in Indian courts or you would say that the masterminds and executers of the attack are already dead?

3. Who was behind the Parliament House attack? Only six people? Is it in national interest 

4.According to you Prof Geelani was also in the plot. Wow!

5. Afzal had written a last letter. In the letter to his family written just before the end came, Parliament attack convict Afzal Guru “hoped that peace will prevail after he has gone”.“We will not reveal the contents till the family is out of shock. All I can say is it is a very short letter written by a person who was about to be hanged. The letter will reveal the true character of my brother. We will show it to all once things settle down a bit and normalcy returns,” Aijaz said. The source said in the hurriedly written letter — comprising four to five lines — “Afzal asked his family not to mourn his death and not to cry after he is gone”.

6. After SAR Geelani was acquitted, an attack was made on his life outside his lawyer's house. At that time fingers were pointed at the special cell of Delhi Police as only they had the means to tap phone and be aware of Geelani's plan's. Now it seems Samjhauta Express blast accused was behind the attack. I think the investigation should be outsourced to FBI (tongue in cheek)

7. Please post the sequence of planning and execution of Parliament attack or refer to a source.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
41/D-83
Feb 15, 2013
10:21 PM

 Imran Ahmed Khan >> It is a sad precedent that Muslim blood is required for majority-appeasement. The Brahminical terrorism, whether state sponsored or by the RSS has to be encountered at all levels.

Islamofascists like you fondly hope for recreating a Pakistan in India where Infidels and idol worshippers are stoned  to death. But sadly, the same allah whom you worship created us hindus and have made us Hindus flourish and thrive despite 1000 years of cruel rule by fanatics, mass murderers , rapists and terrorists. Because the almighty knows that  the planet with just some crazy talibani fanatics has no charm and it needs real humans with real faith in almighty.

So you can continue to day dream for creating a islamic theocracy in India, as far as I know allah does not punish people for day dreaming. Good luck with your talibani thoughts.

Ramki
Delhi, India
42/D-84
Feb 15, 2013
10:25 PM

 #27 >> Brahmins have always been bloodthirsty throughout the history

Yup, brahmins like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Rajapakshe, Bhutto (whose govt mass murdered millions in East Pakistan), Churchill (who was behind the bengal famine), Idi Amin . All cross threaded evil fellas who lived and died quoting manusmrithi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ramki
Delhi, India
43/D-85
Feb 15, 2013
10:31 PM

 AbhishekSharman >> If there is Delhi rape case, the intellectuals will protest, if there is a hanging then intellectuals will protest, if there is a case of terrorism, intellectuals will protest, if there is corruption,......

In India, intellectuals === Jobless Loafers with too much money, too much power, too much voice and too much idle time to spare.

It is important that such idle loafers are put to useful work. We immediately need a national public works program where well bodied, biryani eating, whisky drinking intellectuals who do nothing but protesting and creating issues(like Nandy) are made to spare minimum one day a week for some public purpose - like say cleaning roads or digging wells. Trust me , if these intellectuals spend a full day in hot sun and understand the hardship of life in India (outside those AC Seminar halls where these intellectuals protest) , then they will realise that problems cannot be solved by protesting and shouting but by pondering and consulting with people of all points of view.

Ramki
Delhi, India
44/D-90
Feb 15, 2013
10:49 PM

 >> So how many Hindus were killed during Secu Rule in different rules ??

Communal bias in Police is a well known fact . I have heard from someone who was in the PUDR fact finding team that nearly 90% of the victims in Police firing in first phase of Bombay riots in 1992/3 were muslims. 

The same "communal" police were able to perform satisfactorily after Bapat was removed and AS Samra was brought in.

The very fact that in 2002 large scale violence took place in Gujarat alone when VHP had built up a frenzy all over the country points to the fact that given political will, riots can be controlled by the Police. In Mumbai police took 8000 in preventive custody and in Ahmedabad only 2 (both muslims) were taken into preventive custody on 27th and some 30 odd the next day. 

>>If 90 % rioters were Hindus so number Hindu rioters were killed will be more .

This was the case with firing ordered by Rahul Sharma. Overall in Gujarat like in other secu states the number of muslims killed bt police was more than the number of hindus killed. I do not understand what you are trying to prove. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
45/D-2
Feb 16, 2013
12:07 AM

>> Communal bias in Police is a well known fact

In Bombay, Delhi, Dhule, Nellie, Merrut, Bhagalpur and more, it is the communal bias of police.

In Gujarat, it is Modi.

Nice logic!

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
46/D-17
Feb 16, 2013
04:24 AM

 "Then all of sudden what happned to KP's? Love and Dokha?" - # 34/D-57 -

Many many things happened. But it seems, your brain is simply impervious to absorb all that. 

"For Bongs this KP's left valley voluntarily....Not thrown out.." - # 35/D-59 -

Calling names is the last resort of scoundrels. It is not going to get you anywhere. But, you have given me the opportunity to say something in this context.

In early 1950s, if any Indian citizen, including the Guujus, wanted to travel to Kashmir, he needed to carry a passport and go through border control as in foreign countries to enter Kashmir.

It was a Bong then, Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, who rose up and protested in the Parliament against that since Kashmir had to be Indian sovereign territory.. He led a march and broke through the border control entering Kashmir without passport. He finally had to sacrfice his life for that in Kashmir. But at least, he achieved that from then on the political directive to carry passport for Indian citizens was abolished by Delhi !

And now, it seems your Gujju Modi will be hoisted to hold power in Delhi in the next election. You try to force him that he must abolish Art 370 when he will hold office, so that any Indian can go and live in Kashmir. 

And if the Gujju refuses to abolish Art 370, just spit on him and all other Gujjus since Modi is their icon.

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
47/D-18
Feb 16, 2013
04:34 AM

This so called human rights activists will be taken seriously if they are consistent with their concern for human rights violation of other criminals. They have been chest beating for Afzal since 2006 even though he was convicted guilty by the court.

But you will not hear a word of concert from them about alleged hindu terriorist like Sadhvi Padnya who has been in jail for last 5 years without any conviction. She was forced to go through narco test and she is probably suffering from cancer. The worst, the people who are questioning verdict of SC for Afzal have already convicted her and in fact use her to justify islamic terrorists by bringing equilibrium,

Bunch of paid hypocrites.

Maha
NJ, United States
48/D-19
Feb 16, 2013
04:40 AM

>> But you will not hear a word of concert from them about alleged hindu terriorist like Sadhvi Padnya who has been in jail for last 5 years without any conviction. She was forced to go through narco test and she is probably suffering from cancer. The worst, the people who are questioning verdict of SC for Afzal have already convicted her and in fact use her to justify islamic terrorists by bringing equilibrium

Excellent points.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
49/D-26
Feb 16, 2013
08:25 AM

 In Bombay, Delhi, Dhule, Nellie, Merrut, Bhagalpur and more, it is the communal bias of police.

In Gujarat, it is Modi.

Nice logic! - WHATS INANAME

Good luck to anyone trying to sell this argument.

It's a well known fact that the police are a highly communalised anti-Muslim force all over India except in BJP ruled states (not just Gujarat). In these states the police are honest, but unfortunately are forced to do what they do at the instance of their political bosses.

In Congress ruled states the police are totally free from political influence and therefore, any excesses directed against a particular  community are entirely their own doing. The reverse of course is true in all BJP ruled states.

Various studies - which could not be carried out because of police interference - have proved this. (This is also a fact. Read comments on Death In A Beef Market)

Bonita
Chennai, India
50/D-27
Feb 16, 2013
09:38 AM

>>But you will not hear a word of concert from them about alleged hindu terriorist like Sadhvi Padnya who has been in jail for last 5 years without any conviction.

Couldn't agree more. Only in case of Sadhvi, she is been in jail not only without conviction but without a charge sheet for the last five years! While NIA doesn't seem to have the courage to file a charge sheet, they show a lot of professionalism by regularly leaking info about her to the media.

RSM
Delhi, India
51/D-30
Feb 16, 2013
10:16 AM

"Many many things happened. But it seems, your brain is simply impervious to absorb all that."

No doubt in it but hiding fact will not serve any good...

"It was a Bong then, Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, who rose up and protested in the Parliament against that since Kashmir had to be Indian sovereign territory.."

So nice of you guys today you need this man to hide all your anti-India attitude..Not sure how much WB has given importance to this Shyamaprasad but Modi certainly has given him by naming few of public places after him while Modi has many other Gujjus name which could have used to please particular caste and community and he didnt did that.

From 1965 to 1950 you climbed down in history, so now you need to read Raja Hari Singhs letter in which he clearly wrote that he decides to go with India...So lets not be under confusion that scraping 370 is a complex task..


Text of letter dated October 26, J 947 from Sri Hari Singh, the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir to Lord Mountbatten the GovernorGeneral of India.

My dear Lord Mountbatten,

I have to inform your Excellency that a grave emergency has arisen in my State and request immediate assistance of your Government. As your Excellency is aware the State of Jammu and Kashmir has not acceded to the Dominion of India or to Pakistan.

Geographically my State is contiguous to both the Dominions. It has vital economical end cultural links with both of them. Besides my State has a common boundary with the Soviet Republic and China. In their external relations and Dominion of India and Pakistan cannot ignore this fact.

I wanted to take time to decide to which Dominion I should accede, or whether it is not in the best interests of both the Dominions and my State to stand independent, of course with friendly and cordial relations with both.

I accordingly approached the Dominions of India and Pakistan to enter into Standstill Agreement with my State. The Pakistan Government accepted this Agreement. The Dominion of India desired further discussions with representatives of my Government. l could not arrange this in view of the developments indicated below. In fact the Pakistan Government are operating Post and Telegraph system inside the State.

Though we have got a Standstill Agreement with the Pakistan Government permitted steady and increasing strangulation of supplies like food, salt and petrol to my State. Afridis, soldiers in plain clothes, and desperadoes with modern weapons have been allowed to infliter into the State at first in Poonch and then in Sialkot and finally in mass area adjoining Hazara District on the Ramkot side.

The result has been that the limited number of troops at the disposal of the State had to be dispersed and thus had to face the enemy at the several points simultaneously, that it has become difficult to stop the wanton destruction of life and property and looting.

The Mohara powerhouse which supplies the electric current to the whole of Srinagar has been burnt. The number of women who have been kidnapped and raped and makes my heart bleed. The wild forces thus let loose o the State are marching on with the aim of capturing Srinagar, the summer Capital of my Government, as first step to over running the whole State.

The mass infiltration tribesman drawn from the distant areas of the North-West Frontier coming regularly in motor trucks using Mansehra-Muzaffarabad Road and fully armed with up-to-date weapons cannot possibly be done without the knowing of the Provincial Government of the North-West Frontier Province and the Government of Pakistan. In spite of repeated requests made by my Government no attempt has been made to check these raiders or stop them from coming to my State.

The Pakistan Radio even put out a story that a Provisional Government has been set up in Kashmir. The people of my State both the Muslims generally have North-West Frontier coming regularly in motor trucks using Mansehra-Muzaffarabad Road and fully armed with up-to-date weapons cannot possibly be done without the knowing of the Provincial Government of the North-West Frontier Province and the Government of Pakistan.

In spite of repeated requests made by my Government no attempt has been made to check these raiders or stop them from coming to my State. The Pakistan Radio even put out a story that a Provisional Government has been set up in Kashmir. The people of my State both the Muslims generally have taken no part at all.

With the conditions obtaining at present in my State and to great emergency of the situation as it exists, I hay" no option but to ask for help from the Indian Dominion. Naturally they cannot send the help asked for by me without my State acceding to the Domination of India.

I have accordingly decided to do so and I attach the Instrument of Accession for; acceptance by your Government. The other alternative is to leave my State and my people to fee-booters.

On this basis no civilized Government can exist or be maintained.

The alternative I will never allow to happen as long as I am Ruler of the State and I have life to defend my country.

I may also inform your Excellency's Government that it is my intention at once to set up an interim overnment and ask Shaikh Abdullah to carry the responsibilities in this emergency with my Prime Minister.

If my State has to be saved immediate assistance must be available at Srinagar. Mr. VK Krishna Menon is fully aware of the situation and he will explain to you, if further explanation is needed.

In haste and with kindest regards.

Yours Sincerely
Hari Singh
The Palace, Jammu
26th October, 1947

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zzgYHtMqyAQ/UO_Iy3gefwI/AAAAAAAAafs/qh93F1K56iQ/s1600/imagesyjmm.jpg

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
52/D-37
Feb 16, 2013
11:34 AM

 Pinaki S Ray >> It was a Bong then, Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, who rose up and protested in the Parliament against that since Kashmir had to be Indian sovereign territory.. He led a march and broke through the border control entering Kashmir without passport. He finally had to sacrfice his life for that in Kashmir. But at least, he achieved that from then on the political directive to carry passport for Indian citizens was abolished by Delhi !

I always felt that as a Conservative, right of center, hindu  indian, all people who believe in hinduism and integrity of india should thank a huge galaxy of bong leaders, political and spiritual who have done immense work towards hinduism and towards rightist indian conservative political movement in India (which includes but not necessarily is only about BJP).

But unfortunately, the universal logic is that the good deeds of 100 people are alwasy spoiled by the bad work of 5. A few Leftist crazy feudals since independence have collectively destroyed bengal and also part destroyed India and their destructive principles have , rather than anything brought some aversion to Bongs.

And yes, that is wrong but what to do..

BTW topping in that list IMHO is one Mister JB and the worst thing is that this fellow was closest to becoming the prime minister of india in 1996. Thank heavens, we were spared of this pure piece of excreta. But WB had enough of JB and the results are there to see.....

Ramki
Delhi, India
53/D-53
Feb 16, 2013
01:24 PM

>> It's a well known fact that the police are a highly communalised anti-Muslim force all over India except in BJP ruled states (not just Gujarat).

Nobody said it. Nobody implied it. This is a dishonest and motivated attempt to water down a serious grievance.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
54/D-57
Feb 16, 2013
01:36 PM

>> "But you will not hear a word of concert from them about alleged hindu terriorist like Sadhvi Padnya who has been in jail for last 5 years without any conviction."
 

"Thousands of young Muslim men languish in incarceration without charge sheets to their name’. Seeking action on the prolonged incarceration of Muslim youth over unsubstantiated terror charges, the All India Muslim Personal Law Board has demanded that those against whom no charge sheet had been filed even after several years of imprisonment be discharged and compensation given to those who have been acquitted." (The Hindu)

(BTW Sadhvi Pragya has been charged in the Sunil Joshi murder case)

 
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
55/D-72
Feb 16, 2013
02:29 PM

>>(BTW Sadhvi Pragya has been charged in the Sunil Joshi murder case)

Amazing! Sadhvi is arrested for terrorism, put through narco etc not to mention allegations of torture all for terror involvement . The narco should have had our liberals screaming. But they refute the charge that even after 5 years, there is no charge sheet, bt saying 'oh but there is a charge sheet in a murder'!

RSM
Delhi, India
56/D-108
Feb 16, 2013
06:10 PM

 @JAYKUMAR

The trouble with you folks is that you do not know what you do not know. The letter you have quoted has no relevance.

The accession of Kashmir into India was far more a complex process  than what can be concluded from the openly available documents. One biggest headache to arrive at the right conclusion  is that Sheikh Abdullah burned all the crucia state documents in the Kashmir state's possession at the time when he became the CM of J&K. This was one of the reason why Rafi Ahmed Kidwai pushed for arresting the Sheikh in the cabinet meeting where Nehru lost out and the Sheikh was put in prison.

The Maharajah of Kashmir did not sign up for joining the newly formed India at the time of handover of power by the colonial master Britain, since he could not! His reason was that Sialkot must belong to India first before he could sign up for joining.

And he was absolutely correct in this regard. In those days, all road and rail connections to Kashmir was through Sialkot. So without Sialkot Kashmir would be landlocked and would not survive! He insisted, and he was absolutely right, that India must first claim Sialkot before he signed up.

But, alas, the Congress then under the leadership of Gandhi (and Nehru) simply ignored the Maharajah and Sialkot went to Pakistan. Only when the Pakistanis sent their Islam's jehadis in the valley, he had to sign, otherwise India could not send her army to Srinagar.

Sialkot still plays the crucial strategic role even now. You will notice, that in all wars with Pakistan the Indian army makes its thrust to capture Sialkot, the strategically crucial area for defending Kashmir.

The Maharajah was absolutely right, it was the Congress under Gandhi-Nehru who let India down for Kashmir. Shyamaprasad paid with his life in trying to redress the sovereignity Kashmir with respect to the Indian Union..

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
57/D-118
Feb 16, 2013
07:50 PM

"The letter you have quoted has no relevance."

May be for you...For me it is....

"The accession of Kashmir into India was far more a complex process than what can be concluded from the openly available documents. "

Let our govt put it schools state syllabus of social science, even primary school student will be position to tell that it is crystal clear what this letter mean...So there is no rocket science involved in it understanding this accession of Kashmir as projected by our establishment (include everyone govt, separatist, etc etc)....

After all "Papi Pet Ka Sawal hai"....For them

"Shyamaprasad paid with his life in trying to redress the sovereignity Kashmir with respect to the Indian Union.."

He is Just a Forgotten Hero.....

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
58/D-121
Feb 16, 2013
08:09 PM

But Muslims are angry everywhere. How do we know it has anything to do with Guru? Muslims have decimated the native Hindus in Kashmir but there has been no Hindu terror attack by the Pandits.

Muslims massacre Shias every day in Pakistan. What is that for? Same in Iraq. Today Muslims killed an anti-Islamist blogger in Bangladesh. Which court in Bangladesh sentenced him? None that I know of.

In India, these Muslims massacred and maimed 100 civilians outside Delhi High Court in 2011 over death sentence awarded to Afzal Guru? Who had sentenced those 100 civilians to death and permanent injury?
 

Will these 200 Academics ever look at the plight and decimation of native Hindus in Kashmir? Or wonder why there have been no Hindu or Christian terorrists in Pakistan despite their plight or why that nation only produces Islamic terrorists?
 

vijay
arlington, United States
59/D-158
Feb 16, 2013
10:38 PM

 Vijay >> Will these 200 Academics ever look at the plight and decimation of native Hindus in Kashmir? Or wonder why there have been no Hindu or Christian terorrists in Pakistan despite their plight or why that nation only produces Islamic terrorists?

These academics are pseudoacademics who define their careers out of hatred for one faith. Do not expect ethics or morals from these professional whores who have long sold their conscience to rabblerousers cult.

Ramki
Delhi, India
60/D-89
Feb 17, 2013
07:06 PM

>>And if the Gujju refuses to abolish Art 370, just spit on him and all other Gujjus since Modi is their icon. # 46/D-17

>>>>So lets not be under confusion that scraping 370 is a complex task.. #51/D-13

Gee, the Hindu coward is backing off for Modi to abolish Art 370 for enabling at least the Pandits to return to their ancestral home in Kashmir. No wonder he belongs to the pseudo-Hindu league when he wants to forget Shyamaprasad as he says :

"He is Just a Forgotten Hero..." - # 57/D-116

This is typical.

To rewrite the history of India as for proving "Jinnah was secular...: " , one must indeed forget Shyamaprasad, since he fought Jinnah tooth and nail to extract at least the minimal part of "Hindu Bengal" out of original Bengal to survive in the  modern Indian nation.

In any event, it will be interesting to grill Modi on Kashmir forgetting the pseudo-Hindus from Modiland, how far he will go to safeguard the return of the Pandits to the Vallery. Is Modi going to stick his head out in the event he wins the election to be the next "Hindu PM" in the present day's "secular India" ?

I for myself doubt if Modi will have the guts as Shyamaprasad had to stand up to the jehadi Islam, just as when he succeeded to abolish the political directive from Delhi of carrying passport for Indians to enter Kashmir but had to pay with his life for mother Hindu India. 

Doubtless Shyamaprasad needs to be forgotten, and excised from the Indian history, to give Modi and the BJP cohorts a free run to Delhi durbar.

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
61/D-129
Feb 18, 2013
01:14 PM

 Mr President 

you did the right thing by sending him to gallows. These Jamia signetories are just pseudo terrorists.

They are interested in lives of terrorists and not in innocents who lost the life.

vimal
Munich, Germany
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