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Rape is a reality across the nation and does not distinguish between 'Bharat' or 'India' as RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat would like to believe


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Feb 04, 2013
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The story Portrait of a Young Man... in the package entitled Hinterland Beasts (Jan 21) makes one wonder if we are living in the 21st century or is it unbridled barbarism that prevails in India?

Tejinder, St Louis, US
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Jan 12, 2013
03:50 PM
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Male Unblocked
Chennai, India
2/D-78
Jan 12, 2013
06:41 PM

Was he referring to rural india when he said Bharat?
I am no Bhagwat fan & consider him a xenophobe, anti-globalisation and a swadeshi loon and it never ceases to amaze me how Marxists,Jihadis and Swadeshi loons are united in their xenophobia.
However I will point out that I have read newslaundry's correction of the Bhagwat quote and they point out that his other statement on marriage being a contract was misinterpreted so much that you lefty bums made a hero out of him.
I would sit a bit right of centre and I don't even want that.
Actually this is one of the bigges stereotypes about the right in this country. We are all seen as pro RSS.
There are secular(in the true originial sense and not in the horrific indian sense) rightists as well.

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
3/D-3
Jan 13, 2013
12:14 AM
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Rahul
Arlington, United States
4/D-49
Jan 13, 2013
10:13 AM

Great to read. Someone has turned focus  from India Gate,  Raisina Hills,  "dented and painted" agitators   to villages!

The chant for change of mindset involves something very serious. 

Maharshi Parasara, fathered Vyas, who composed Mahabharata in a traveling boat against the  will of Satyawati, also known as Matsagandha. The sage cajoled her to submit to his burning  desires. The sage is credited with writing Parasara Sutra. Has he ever suffered in adulation in India for all that he did to the fishergirl?  He too is a rapist and we must learn to hate rapists of all shades, can we?  We must start with denoucing such characters enjoying high moral status.

Three Brahmans visited the ashram of Atri, a great sage. His wife, Anasuya was very pious, devoted and led an auster life along with her husband. The visitors were entertained with food cooked by the sage's dutiful and hospitable housewife.  The rascales  imposed a gruesome condition that she served them food  naked.  Though shocked, she didn't deviate from hospitality, her ingrained quality. She served them food in total nakedness. Isn't sexual harassment by a gang of criminals? The Indians believe that the three were Trinity---Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva ---in the guise of Brahmans. Be that as it may ,the story is polluting and demand for change of  mindset warrants that such story is rubbished. Can our agitators do so?

Can the proterters, men and women, challenge such stores   to change the mindset they have been agitating against?

The story of Indra, the god of the heaves is all too vulgar. If there is no protest against such mythological stories, we have to admit and accept that rape  is intertwined in  Indian culutural ethos. And we do not know how far it has influenced our judiciary too.  

I quote from an article  by a Vice-Chancellor, National Law University, Odisha published two years back in The Statesman, Calcutta: 

"We can hardly forget the shocking decision of Rajasthan High Court where the learned judge refused to accept that a Brahmin boy can rape a Dalit girl as the former would not even touch the latter............" [Are Our High Courts high court, October 14, 2010] This tantamount to practicing apartheid, sitting on the Bench of the High Court. And no surprise, there was outcry, no uproar against the grave perversity. The learned judge must have traveled up in the ladder and achieved higher positions in career.


If the victims are from the margins of the society, everything is forgotten that s/he too deserves justice. But the dispensers do not believe in that.  Of course, our dented and painted class, who were rattled by one rape on high road of Delhi  has not uttered a word for hundreds of  dalit victims across Bharat.

Are they agitating because they too belong to the class with mindset of Rajasthan High Court?

Sanket Biswas
Kolkata, India
5/D-121
Jan 13, 2013
11:25 PM

"Focus on Rape in India Only Scratches the Surface of Perils"

"While a horrific gang rape in New Delhi has drawn attention, rape is just one facet of a broad range of violence that leads to the deaths of almost two million women a year. "
 

www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/world/asia/in-rapes-aftermath-india-debates-violence-against-women.html

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
6/D-37
Jan 14, 2013
11:19 AM

  There seem to be no difference between a Bengali and Bihari, at least in appearance. People must be encouraged to defend themselves, at all times. But, what if the courts will never be able to see to the end, all such cases? Even then, self defence is a priority. The carrying of weapons seems to be no answer. 

Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
7/D-112
Jan 14, 2013
06:02 PM

Will the following take place in villages (Bharat) where heritage based family systems are stronger than in cities (India)?

“Passers-by left a gang-raped student lying unclothed and bleeding in the street for almost an hour, a male friend who was assaulted with her said on Friday in his first public comments on the case that provoked a global outcry”- Reuters

pandi
chennai, India
8/D-113
Jan 14, 2013
06:10 PM

UN Rape Statistics: India:1.8; USA::27.3 source:http://en.wikipedia.org

How few of those migrants from villages ( ‘Bharat’) become ‘monsters’ in the cities (‘India’)?

Obscenely dressed ladies, physical proximity (imitating the west) in public places of youth from wealthy families, pubs, scope for porn in net, uncaught corrupt politicians, officers leading luxurious life , etc ( in ‘India’) tempt some of the rural students and workers from villages (from ‘Bharat’ ) to earn money by any foul means and ‘enjoy’ sex and drink by any means. They are some times caught unlike their ‘rich’ counterparts in ‘India’ who travel only in luxury cars and commit such crimes in posh residences.

Such ‘thugs’ when they return to their villages for family functions/festivals, will behave like decent persons, since the heritage based social pressure in villages (‘Bharat’) will not permit the indulgences in the cities (‘India’).

pandi
chennai, India
9/D-20
Jan 15, 2013
04:07 AM

@Sanket Biswas: You are looking at India from a western Universalistic lens.
We have been, for millenia, patriarchal. Still are! But partly, not completely.
Till the last century morganatic marriages in Europe provoked people into wars. Sometimes I think people like you have taken a vow to not think for yoruself.
The literature that you are quoting is Paurnaik literature which is mythology. These are stories that are used to illustrate the basic philosophy. There are horror stories of Brahma esp in them. You post this as if you are making some sort of point.
I ask you, with any die respect, which civilisation has treated women better than ours?
I ask, not as someone who is caught up in jingoism but to hit hime the point that humans don't exist in vacuum. We must look around and see the plight of women around the world for millenia.
The truth is, they were only let out of the figurative cage, in the last century in the west. Our overall record over millenia isn't worse at all. The Vedic civilisation, continuing, evolving, in this part of the world for millenia is based, obv on the Vedas and their interpretations leading to philosophies. 30-40 of the seers of the vedas were women.To these 'rishikas' are attributed large chunks of the Vedic Literature.
Devdutt Pattanaik actually also goes into mythology to give you other examples of beautifully progressive, liberal ideas also existing wrt Women. This is his website- http://devdutt.com/ . Sons of prostitutes, who would have been shunned along with their mothers in most parts of the world for thousands of years became scholars & repsected figures in this region. Sorry my friend, but you have internalised an inferiority complex. It is not my contention that we are better at the moment. Actually wmoen in the anglo-saxon west have huge freedom in comparison with India. And we can learn from the west at this point of time. But our 'cultural' record, is mixed. Horrors and Beauty, both exist.
Another point, there is a sepcific school of thought in India, also influenced by western univeralistic thinking, where the madonna whore complex is imposed on India and called Sati Savitri vs Slutty Savitri complex. This is again, like your post, partly, not completely true. Both Sati Savitri & Slutty Savitri have been talked about for geenrations. However, every point on the spectrum between these two extremes is also taken. The visual representations of 'god' , by theists, in India, may be feminine or masculine. And the feminine representations are black, white AND in shades of grey.
 

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
10/D-21
Jan 15, 2013
04:12 AM

//The Indians believe that the three were Trinity---Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva ---in the guise of Brahmans. Be that as it may ,the story is polluting and demand for change of  mindset warrants that such story is rubbished. Can our agitators do so?//
Yes! Because it is mythology. It is not a mandate. BTW this story continues further when Ansuya turns the 3 brahmins into children, hence negating any consequences of adult nudity.
Again, this is mythology. The basic philosophy has no 'magic'.

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
11/D-62
Jan 15, 2013
12:25 PM

I will start by saying that I am not one of those who think rural India is free of rapes.
But this article is a sad, a sad exploitation of a horrific tragedy.
This article is cunning on many levels.

"There is something so outrageous in these remarks ....", a cry.

Let’s revisit the remarks from the main target:
Bhagwat has assured us that crimes such as rape “hardly take place in Bharat, but occur frequently in India. You go to villages and forests and there will be no such incidents.... Indian ethos and attitude towards women should be revisited in the context of ancient Indian values”.
and the reaction:
"There is something so outrageous in this remarks ....".

Remark may not be technically and statically correct, but "outrageous"?
Doesn't suit, right?
Well, outlook knows that, so they clubbed "outrageous" bits and put the guy they wanted on the line of fire.
Cunning, isn't that?

There is no denying that "upper-caste landlordism" (assuming OBC too is upper-caste) has always been a curse on rural India (and whole world indeed), but this reasoning is a bit incomplete I feel.

This landlord has been a villain in every way.
Sometime he takes away someone's land (including own extended family).
Sometime he burns the standing crop down.
Sometime he maintains the slave-labour.
And easiest of all, he takes away women of the weaker section (mostly dalit), and rape them.

This man, who is miniscule in number, but enormous in power; is this man "the" rural society?

Coming to this incident (and many similar one) in Delhi.
Let’s say, a bunch of young boys in a village, from normal middle/lower-middle class, like you and I; coming back from their cricket or kabaddi game; meet a girl on their way back home. They pick-up and forcefully rape this girl.
Is that rampant?

Usually difficult to argue in logic with folks from "humanitarian subject" background; so let me make it clear first, even there is only one such case, that must be brought to justice.
But the point is; how rampant is this in rural India?

This problem of random men, picking up random women, from any random places, is increasing to the level of "rampant" in our cities (Delhi mainly).


How to resolve this problem of "landlord".
Well "we" (India, I mean) are working on that. All the laws to stop this are welcome.
It is going down, may be not as fast as we wish.
Problem is, new breed of "landlords" have replace the old ones. Sometime we call them MP, MLA, counselors, etc.

Who is suppose to resolve this problem?
It is the state in our times.
By our times I mean; as early primates we design an institution of marriage to prevent the wrath of alpha-male. as evolving societies we codify the moral/ethical boundaries.
Now in these times of modern states, it the state which is suppose to provide the solution.

The cunning part is; article like this one take the focus away from the real failure/real culprit. The "state" failing to fulfill its duties.
A clear attempt to let governments of the hook. Just because this is a government of preference (who know might be sponsor too)?

Lets say it is purely a social problem.
For last 65 years we are governed by heavily communist influenced, socialist model of governance. Just a thought, what if the problem is emanating from there?

Santosh Gairola
Hsinchu, Taiwan
12/D-128
Jan 15, 2013
10:59 PM

And the farce goes on......   

Will give Rs 50L to anyone who proves I blamed Delhi rape victim: Asaram

Throwing his weight behind Asaram, VHP leader Ashok Singhal, said "a slander campaign is on against him at the behest of foreign powers who want to destroy Hindu culture."

"Foreign powers have been pumping a lot of money into the country to damage Hinduism," the VHP leader, who visited Asaram's camp, said.

In an apparent reference to the protests planned by some organisations against Asaram, Singhal said "if anybody dares to indulge in any mischief, he will not be spared by the VHP which is holding its camp adjacent to that of the revered saint."

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
13/D-15
Jan 17, 2013
02:40 AM

@Kishore Dasmunshi: As Santosh Gairola points out, feudal chieftains/jagirdars have been replaced by state chieftains and there is no party or political outfit in India that matches the array of feudal chieftains in rural India that the Indian National Congress has.
That is a party of feudal chieftains & it is not surprising that while the BJP & it's affiliates are guilty of making bizarre statements, the congress mlas and mps are guilty of something more concrete than words-Actions.
Atleast 2 if not more, congressmen have been in the last 10-15 days been caught raping poor women.
Jagirdari in India was banned officially but it has continued and we have all in some way or the other become serfs of the state. Women giving sex to 'Netas' is not uncommon. The allegations are generally directed against Congressi scum.Thankfully now rural women and their men are gathering the courage to thrash these state jagirdars, in Assam or in the heartland.
And I am not a BJP supporter, unless they empower people like Jaitley.

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
14/D-54
Jan 17, 2013
01:10 PM

Another Nirbhaya battles for life in Rajasthan

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Another-Nirbhaya-battles-for-life-in-Rajasthan/articleshow/18053805.cms

JAIPUR: The story of Nirbhaya shook the collective conscience of the nation. But a similar gory incident — of an 11-year-old from Sikar in Rajasthan, who is battling for life at a hospital in Jaipur after a brutal gangrape — is yet to be told.

Six persons had abducted the girl on August 20 last year from a bus stand in Sikar town. They raped and thrashed her mercilessly before dumping her on the outskirts of the town. Her private parts, say doctors looking after her, had been so brutally vandalized that she had to undergo six major surgeries and eight minor surgical procedures. Even now, her condition is critical.

Doctors recall that when she was brought to JK Lon hospital in Jaipur from Sikar on August 22, they were appalled to see the barbaric manner in which she had been violated. She had a complete perineal tear -- there was no partition of muscles left between her vagina and rectum. Surgeons had to use a portion of her large intestine to create a new rectum as well as a colostomy surgery for creating an alternative channel for fecal passage. "In the last four-and-a-half months, we have tried our best to help her. Her condition had shocked each one of us," says Dr LD Agarwal, who led the team of surgeons that performed the surgeries.

The girl, who is from Darbhanga in Bihar, is reportedly the youngest of seven children (six sisters and one brother). She came to Sikar with her mother after her father died. They were hoping that their relatives in Sikar would help them get work.

Now, after the incident, doctors say, the girl has virtually stopped reacting. "In the beginning, she was scared of injections but now she doesn't react to anything. Her physical and mental ability is worsening gradually," says a family member.

Despite the brazenness and brutality of the incident, what has shocked many is the apathy of the police. Till the day after the incident, family members allege, the police were refusing to even register a case. It was only because of pressure from locals who took out a protest march that the case was registered. Bihar chief minister Nitish Kumar also spoke to his Rajasthan counterpart Ashok Gehlot after which the administration swung into action.

Even though six people were arrested, two have already been granted bail as the police had allegedly booked them under milder sections of IPC. Her relatives say that the rapists are politically well-connected and that the police is going soft on them. They also allege that the actual culprits are still at large.

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
15/D-6
Jan 18, 2013
01:39 AM

TFA(The Featured Article) is not attributed. Puke. Flush. 

nobody inparticular
Mumbai, India
16/D-32
Jan 18, 2013
06:20 AM

I don't agree completely with this post, but there are a couple of decent points made here-http://centreright.in/2013/01/india-vs-bharat-thats-the-crux/

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
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