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D-123/114
Aug 22, 2014
07:15 PM

If it qualks like a duck and acts like a duck - then its a duck.

That appplies to ideologies too.  In Islam the intolerance towards non-muslims is not restricted to the verses in Koran ( whicch by the way they claim are words of God ) , but Islamist majority states have put them into practice and results are for all to see from 7th century to modern day in Pakistan to Iraq to Nigeria.

 
SaachBolo
SaachGarh, India
D-122/1
Aug 22, 2014
06:46 PM

People of Bihar (and UP) get government they deserve.  Both states Bihar and UP has been Arm-pits of India for a long time.  Who is responsible for that? 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-121/1
Aug 22, 2014
06:38 PM

How much government has spent tax payers' money to keep this lady alive?  When the government is sure that it is not going to abolish AFSPA as she is demanding, might as well let her wish to die peacefully be fulfilled and then burry her unceremoneously.

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-120/20
Aug 22, 2014
06:04 PM

Is it true that Teesta has apologized for the photshop?

I am surprised the woman was given only a Padmashree. Given her anti-hindu tendencies, she must have been given a Bharat Ratna.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-119/31
Aug 22, 2014
05:57 PM

January 2014: US said ISIS is not a threat and are a bunch of local thugs

August 2014: US says ISIS is now the greatest threat to US.

So the assessment changed. What has not changed is Obama's holidaying habits. I used to think that the President of India has the most relaxing "job" in the world. He enjoys a lot of perks for doing nothing.

Obama has a much more relaxing job than Pranab Mukherjee.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-118/30
Aug 22, 2014
05:43 PM

Obama got the message from ISIS. He is working very hard on his swing.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-117/8
Aug 22, 2014
05:36 PM

CVC appointment has a member called LoP-but then it specifically says that if there is no LoP, then the leader of largest group will be the third member.

Modi can either fight it out and win. Or, if he decides a confrontation at this stage with the judiciary is not worth it, he can issue an ordinance that gives the same definition as the CVC act.

That aside, the behavior of CJI is extremely disasppointing. His ego is getting the better of him and he is bringing disgrace to the position he is holding.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-116/7
Aug 22, 2014
05:32 PM

BTW, just 2-3 weeks back, SC dismissed a PIL about LoP saying that it was purely a political process and the court has no role in it.

Now CJI screws his own people.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-115/6
Aug 22, 2014
05:28 PM

1. The SC has no locus standi in the LoP issue.

2. The LoP is not a constitutional requirement. On 7 previous occasions, there has been no LoP.

3. The second largest party, the Congress does not meet the stipulation for LoP.

4. G V Mavalankar, India’s first Speaker, had on the basis of too-small-an-Opposition established such a precedent that Lok Sabha had not designated a Leader of Opposition till 1969.

indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/no-leader-of-oppn-when-congress-had-415-mps/

5. In 1984, the second largest party, the TDP, was not given the LoP.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-114/1
Aug 22, 2014
05:26 PM

The number of people who are ready to get outraged over every small incident is indeed staggering.

No small number !!

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-113/11
Aug 22, 2014
05:20 PM

(1) It is better to straight away concede that truly independent media (whether print media or television news channels) is a big myth. Paid news, advertorials and paid interviews on TV channels have all become so common today, and their threat to independent journalism cannot be underestimated. This unfortunately is the bitter scenario prevailing in our country today. (2) Thanks are due to Mr. Vinod Mehta for highlighting growing of influence of pro-BJP journalists. Earlier, there were pro-Congress and pro-Sonia Gandhi groups in the media. Now their influence is slowly diminishing. But, as mentioned by Mr. Mehta, nowadays readers rarely come across truly independent views. Most of the articles, excepting a very few, are views of prejudiced writers. Thus, let us accept that editors will have to endeavour to satisfy discerning readers who wish to read balanced articles. (3) Thanks are also due to Mr. Vinod Mehta for highlighting serious lacuna in the field of training for journalists although there are institutes for training journalists and there are colleges which offer graduate courses in mass media. But still, as pointed out by Mr. Mehta, there are no gurus who will teach how to write with clarity of thoughts and maintaining high standards of objectivity.

Narendra M Apte
PUNE, India
D-112/5
Aug 22, 2014
05:17 PM

On the LoP issue, Lodha and whine and moan all he want but he really has no standing on the issue. The SC is NOT more equal than the other two branches.

He will have to find a different issue to embarrass Modi.

That aside, Lodha is fast becoming a disgrace to the judiciary. It is time he checks his ego and starts doing his job.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-111/14
Aug 22, 2014
05:15 PM

"Ravan ends up kidnapping Sita becacuse he does not find Ram when he goes to seek revenge for her sister's dishonor."

That is simply not true. Read the Ramayana properly.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-110/10
Aug 22, 2014
05:14 PM

"Teesta Setalvad, darling of secularists, comparing ISIS with Hindu religion."

That is outrageous. ISIS people are NOT as bad as hindus.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-109/40
Aug 22, 2014
05:12 PM

@ VNKM

Thanks for your support. Often, in the heat of an animated discussion, one tends to transgress some lines. 

It is important to note that opposing ideas is not an attack on persons or their right to hold a particular opinion. Quite often, the messenger is shot and the message gets ignored.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-108/44
Aug 22, 2014
05:04 PM

"I was referring to your comments to Michael Lopez who just made a friendly remark (about the existence of Parvati Cross in his area), not offensive by any standards."

The Parvati Cross is not a place of worship. It is a location in Vasai, a secular place.

If you missed the sneer in Lopes' comment [it happens only in India :-) ] it is your problem. There was no need to make that insolent comment and I brushed him off by asking him to read about what else happened in India, specifically Goa under Potuguese rule.

My retort was not in the least uncivil. There are several comments from you which hardly make you look like a model of rectitude, much less pontificate like Emily Post.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-107/9
Aug 22, 2014
04:59 PM

One of the media outlet is publishing "Fake News" segment.  Vinod Mehta's this concern about the Readers should be included in that segment. 

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
D-106/8
Aug 22, 2014
04:53 PM

" Pseudo-secularists and assorted Modi-detesters could not ignore the hawa blowing in his favour across the country in 2013.

Really!!!! One would not have known that had he been reading only Outlook. For two times, IN THE COVER, Outlook said Modi has no chance to become PM.

Vinod Mehta habitually plays loose with facts in the supreme hope that readers would have forgotten what he and his magazine said a few months back.

Mehta lied that Modi never spoke of secularism. When in fact Modi spoke about in Jan 2008 in Madras. You may disagree with what Modi said but to claim Modi never spoke about is deliberate lying.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-105/4
Aug 22, 2014
04:41 PM

Ever since Modi came to power, Lodha has been itching for a fight with Modi. He initially favored special courts to process cases against MPs on a fasttrack basis. When Modi said the same, he opposed it.

And now this. SC has no business interfering in a purely Legislative business. This is more a ego clash for Lodha than anything else.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-104/43
Aug 22, 2014
04:13 PM

#42

I was referring to your comments to Michael Lopez who just made a friendly remark (about the existence of Parvati Cross in his area), not offensive by any standards.

About Modi's role in the riots, let it be known that the victims and human rights activists have opted for the court route and shall pursue it. The odds against are very obvious seeing that the masterminds behind the 1984 pogrom have got away with it.However in this forum, these activists are called thieves, jehadists and bitches. 

The guilt or otherwise is not an act of faith. The subversion of truth & justice shall be countered by publicizing the facts. I have lived long enough to have known the outrageous SC judgement in Mathura rape case. Now such a regressive judgement is impossible. Such is the power of informed activists.  

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-103/1
Aug 22, 2014
03:57 PM

It will be interesting case for court.  I can't believe CBI's case will get support from this central government as it did from previous central government. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-102/42
Aug 22, 2014
03:47 PM

@ Saroja (post 41)

I don't find anything objectionable in that thread you refer too. Someone talked of rape in Hindu mythology and I rebutted him.

Regarding Modi's role in Gujarat riots, let the courts decide. I think that he was innocent. You might be absolutely convinced that he is evil incarnate but I don't have to accept your view.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-101/3
Aug 22, 2014
03:44 PM

SC will have to tacle some important questions.  Is it more important to have 55 seat rule or more important to have an opposition leader?  If opposition leader is more important than why in the past Parliament was run without opposition leader?

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-100/121
Aug 22, 2014
03:36 PM

>>>>  " There are no words in the Quran that justify suicide missions. Suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam."

>> Martyrs are promised the delights of paradise. Isn't that sufficient inducement?

The lure of seventy two women in heaven is too much to resist, isn't it? Even if suicide is explicitly prohibited in Quran, all one has to do is to NOT to interpret that literally (Anwaar style). Interpret that it is martyrdom and NOT suicide when you go on a suicidal mission to kill infidels (As already mentioned on this forum by sage of Dallas, meaning of verses changes in war zone) and head straight to heaven after death!!

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-99/2
Aug 22, 2014
03:25 PM

Explanation for this is simple.

We had a party headed by an incompetent Joker and his nosy Mother, and they along with their joker tribe couldn't get the required number of seats to make him the Leader of Opposition.

Sanjay, Pune
D-98/113
Aug 22, 2014
03:21 PM
#108 ---"This alleged conversation recounted by an unidentified writer, transpired several decades ago _When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer a German aristocrat prior to World War 2 gave, can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. " ------- what's thought provoking is the idiocy of this analogy. All it shows is precisely nothing. The so called p-seculars in India are morons (well that's why they are pseudo seculars?)
MK Saini
Delhi, India
D-97/112
Aug 22, 2014
03:21 PM

""Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi can give as good as he gets and his streetfighting Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen would recognise a majoritarian project when they see one."

As soon as a Hindu nationalist party wins an election democracy becomes illegitimate, and savage Islamist thugs like Owaisi tell us what is real democracy !

AMIN DADA
AGRA, India
D-96/4
Aug 22, 2014
03:19 PM

Sapharp Stoy

What difference do the provisions of Criminal Tribes Act, (CT Act) enacted a decade after  IPC   make? Some sections and chapters were physically lifted from IPC to create CT Act and no more. 

It's wrong to say advasis were criminalized by the British. It was educated Hindus who did the mischief. 

In 1932 when the Bihar & Orissa Government issued a gazettee notification declaring  about 45 or so  persons criminal tribes, there was orchestrated outburst of emotions against it from Lahore to Madras and Gauhati to Karachi, alleging arbitrary action under CT Act. Why? Almost all of the members of the criminal gang  bore surnames, e. g. Pandey, Dubey, Sharma, Mishra, Singh, Rai etc. Dr. Sachchhidanand Sinha, Bar-at-Law and first Vice-Cancellor, Patna University (estd. 1917) who rose to become the first protem speaker of Constituent Assembly to be replaced by Dr. Rajendra Prasad, wrote an article in his Kayastha Patrika (renamed Hindustan Review) (published from Allahabad) that the intention of the CT Act was not to prosecute "upper caste" educated youth.  He was one of the member of the Governor-General's Central Legislative Council. The upper caste youth committed crime, he contented,  under mental "perversivety." So he attacked the government for declaring some of  them members of "criminal gang." Tell me which act and law upper castes have not abused  for their own gain? 

When about two years ago a girl in Delhi bus was raped and murdered the whole administration jumped to provide justice to her family by pushing every thing aside because   she bore surnaname "Pandey." 

Be ashamed at least for what you say. 

 

Adalit Speaks
NOIDA, India
D-95/111
Aug 22, 2014
03:16 PM

"

             

"Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi can give as good as he gets and his streetfighting Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen would recognise a majoritarian project when they see one. Still Owaisi these days has been known to show greater restraint (in response to Bidhuri’s abuse, for instance, he just stepped back). He says that he disagrees with the TMC MP who raised the issue of Id greetings. “By focusing on whether or not Modi offered Id greetings and why he did not attend the president’s iftaar, they are only strengthening Modi. These issues are not important. What is important is security and development of minorities and all weaker sections as mandated by the Constitution.”

Owaisi says the one good outcome of the Modi mandate is that it has broken the myth of the Muslim vote. Something he congratulated the PM for, he says."

Look how aggressive Naqvi is:  right after whining about the Sangh Parivar she recommends the Islamist thug Owaisi !

But Owais is mild as a lamb these days....Why?  Because he knows he will get a good kicking if he plays tough.

Interesting lesson there !

AMIN DADA
AGRA, India
D-94/39
Aug 22, 2014
03:16 PM

Sarojaji


" I have never encountered anyone as thoroughly devoid of basic human sympathy as you and Ghai, all the time rushing to gloat over misfortune involving Muslims. For all my fights with Whatsinaname, he is basically decent though deluded"
you are articulate, strong, persuasive, and argumentative. In this forum too
there is 'Majority tyrany'.  And some jumb the gun.
Every person has the right to express in a langauge without hurting others even
Unknowingly. Lets do that.
As for my learned friend DLN, I appreciate his courage to say sorry!














 

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi, PATTAMBI
D-93/120
Aug 22, 2014
03:10 PM

" There are no words in the Quran that justify suicide missions. Suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam."

Martyrs are promised the delights of paradise. Isn't that sufficient inducement?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-92/119
Aug 22, 2014
02:55 PM

>> Sauds have no such authority.

Are you saying they are funding and spreading hate without being authorized to do so? Whose authorization is needed BTW? Very curious to know.

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-91/1
Aug 22, 2014
02:41 PM

So khan brothers are turning homosexual I see, wanting to see each other in the nude.. 

Raja, Delhi
D-90/1
Aug 22, 2014
02:41 PM

Very soon Kerala will be another Kashmir . 

Mohan, Adiipur
D-89/3
Aug 22, 2014
02:39 PM

Yeh, indians are good only for commenting and taking pics. When push comes to shove, not one has the guts to come forward. lage rahon with the "its not me, so it doesn't bother me" attitude.

Raja
Delhi, India
D-88/118
Aug 22, 2014
02:37 PM

D.L.Narayan,

>> "There will always be Hafiz Saeeds who will use them to justify their actions and brainwash gullible youth to go on suicide missions."

There are no words in the Quran that justify suicide missions. Suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam. How come you are so ignorant?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-87/41
Aug 22, 2014
02:35 PM

#40

One more comment from your side when there was no provocation-

www.outlookindia.com/news/allfeedbacks.aspx

How many times have you taken the side of victims of violence in Gujarat 2002 & how many times have you joined in the demonization of activists? Would you care to comment on SC observation on Modiji as it acquitted the frameds in Akshardham attack? Would you support an investigation into how the Akshardham shooters acquired weapons? Were they lone actors?

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-86/117
Aug 22, 2014
02:34 PM



>> "does the copy of Quran freely distributed by house of Sauds all over the world come with some caution or a footnote for those verses?"

Don't be stupid. Sauds have no such authority.
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-85/1
Aug 22, 2014
02:31 PM


The Supreme Court, to its credit, is raising some very important questions. Modi may soon have to learn that he cannot have his way in everything.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-84/13
Aug 22, 2014
02:29 PM

And most of gods in India are depicted blue not because of some sanghi rationalization of being Divine. They are depicted dark because they have origins in darker people of ancient India and thats how they have been worshipped since pre-aryan ages. Aryanification of these local gods is a later event when vedic priests used local warlords to dethrone rulers who were patronizing competing sects. These warlords clans were later eleveated to warrior castes and their gods were proselytized into Aryan folds with the brilliant idea of Avatar. In this process Vedic priests even dumped Vedic gods in favor of local gods. That is why Vedic preists who did not believe in Idol-worship final became temple priests in pursuit of riches of offerings in Temple. That is the reason why the Arya Samaj movement was against Idol worship.

sachin
New delhi, India
D-83/32
Aug 22, 2014
02:28 PM

IMO, organizing festivals like Beef eating and Anuradha Raman in Outlook giving it unnecessary prominence and publicity is actually more political than any thing else. While it can not be disputed that beef eating in Vedic or even post-Vedic India was not a taboo, the aversion among Hindus against it is essentially cultural. As cows and bulls became integral part of Indian households and agrarian economy they acquired an holy reverence with love and affection. Although mechanised farming and co-operative dairies are gradually taking over in most of Indian villages one will find a cow and pair of bulls in every farmer's home.

Besides India has a hot climate and copious consumption of red meat is not really advisable. Even in the cold climates of Europe/USA people are turning away from red meat in their daily diet as it causes diabetes, cardiac diseases and high cholestrol. The argument that it is a source of protein as some nutritionists put forward is untenable as there are innumerable sourrces of protein in pulses and milk products.

Kancha Ilaiah is an agnostic and an atheist. His main objective seem to be to some how or other slag Hinduism. In Buddhist countries in Asia although beef-eating is not a taboo as their diet does include non-vegetarian products but that consists mostly of chicken, pork and sea-food.

The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
D-82/116
Aug 22, 2014
02:26 PM

>>>> "As long as such verses exist ....."

>> They are not going to go away. The correct phrase would be, "As long as they are read literally ...."

Now does the copy of Quran freely distributed by house of Sauds all over the world come with some caution or a footnote for those verses? I recall that with hazardous substance there comes a Warning to handle it carefully, "Extremely dangerous" etc.

I am looking for something like an asterisk on those verses with a footnote:

" Please consult a terrorism expert before interpreting the meaning of this verse. Consequences of interpreting it literally include, but not limited to maiming of civilians, enslaving of men in war zone, butchering, maiming, rape of women and forcible conversion to Islam or just plain beheading. Results vary from person to person though"

Sorry, as you can see, I have never read one.

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-81/115
Aug 22, 2014
02:23 PM

" They are not going to go away. The correct phrase would be, "As long as they are read literally ...."

As long as there are AK-47s around, there will be people willing to use them. There will always be Hafiz Saeeds who will use them to justify their actions and brainwash gullible youth to go on suicide missions.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-80/7
Aug 22, 2014
02:20 PM

Today Jaitley said something silly about Nirbhaya rape case. Media created furore, Jaitley apologized. Few days back Rahul Gandhi had said something silly about Hindus Temple goers molesting girls. Media reaction - complete silence. Many such instances have been noticed by public in last few years. 

Mr Mehta, because of such selective reporting,, most of the peope have lost faith in self proclaimed secular/liberal media. 

Mohan
Adiipur, India
D-79/40
Aug 22, 2014
02:16 PM

@ Saroja, post 38

Thank you for pointing it out [Kaise peace se reh sakengey jab itne saare kaafir log baaki hain is duniya mein?]

It was said in a flippant manner and was definitely in bad taste. I apologise. I should not have made such a remark.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-78/12
Aug 22, 2014
02:15 PM

Major Event in Ramayan is not kidnapping of Sita but cutting off nose of Surpankha just because she expressed her love for Ram. Sita's kidnapping is a subsequent event. Ravan ends up kidnapping Sita becacuse he does not find Ram when he goes to seek revenge for her sister's dishonor.

sachin
New delhi, India
D-77/55
Aug 22, 2014
02:12 PM


Modi government cannot keep Lokpal act in cold storage, Supreme Court says

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court has criticized Narendra Modi government for keeping the Lokpal act in limbo for a long time.

The apex court has said that an important law like this can not be kept in cold storage. SC has also asked the government for its view on the selection panel comprising the Prime Minister, Speaker of Lok Sabha and leader of opposition in Lok Sabha.

SC hinted that a situation has arisen where there is no leader of opposition but it also questioned the government whether any selection can be fair without the leader of opposition.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modi-government-cannot-keep-Lokpal-act-in-cold-storage-Supreme-Court-says/articleshow/40665013.cms
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-76/6
Aug 22, 2014
02:09 PM

Teesta Setalvad, darling of secularists, comparing ISIS with Hindu religion.

mobile.twitter.com/shilpitewari/status/502734842048421888/photo/1

Mohan
Adiipur, India
D-75/114
Aug 22, 2014
02:05 PM

D.L.Narayan,

>> "You missed both the sarcasm and the point"

Rubbish! This is just dumb pertinacity on your part.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-74/39
Aug 22, 2014
02:02 PM


D.L.Narayan,


>> " It is objective and not motivated by malice."

Nothing about you is objective or malice-free.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-73/38
Aug 22, 2014
02:00 PM

>>Give me one example of a "blatant and frenzied" comment and I shall offer an unconditional apology and withdraw it.

www.outlookindia.com/news/allfeedbacks.aspx

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-72/113
Aug 22, 2014
02:00 PM


D.L.Narayan, 

>> "As long as such verses exist ....."

They are not going to go away. The correct phrase would be, "As long as they are read literally ...."




 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-71/112
Aug 22, 2014
01:47 PM

Me - cerebral Suresh is far too SUBTLE for the likes of Anwaar. 

Anwaar - But you are the one who missed the point!

You missed both the sarcasm and the point :-)

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-70/37
Aug 22, 2014
01:43 PM

" You targetted Islam. And your hatefulness was blatant and frenzied."

There are some aspects of Islam I do not admire and I criticise those aspects. It is objective and not motivated by malice.

Give me one example of a "blatant and frenzied" comment and I shall offer an unconditional apology and withdraw it.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-69/111
Aug 22, 2014
01:33 PM

"The subject was literal reading of some verses"

That is precisely what fundamentalism is all about. When there is a dispute about some issue, the fundamentalists will ask, "Is it in the Book?" They interpret it literally and as long as such verses exist, they cannot be dissuaded.

As long as such verses exist, there will always be people who get inspired and guided by them.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-68/36
Aug 22, 2014
01:29 PM


D.L.Narayan,

>>>> "Just look at your comments over the past 24 hours. Such naked hatefulness"

>> "Did I target any individual?"

Irrelevant! You targetted Islam. And your hatefulness was blatant and frenzied. You are a disgrace!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-67/31
Aug 22, 2014
01:24 PM

"Read the article first before commenting on it."

You probably missed my earlier comment that I have no objection to beef festivals if pork festivals are simultaneously held and students should have the option to order euther beef or pork if they so desire.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-66/110
Aug 22, 2014
01:22 PM


Banglorean,

>>>> "This is an oversimplification. The states only pay lip service to religion while engaging in their state craft in the usual Machiavellian ways. Only the Talibans, ISIS, and sanghis do literalistic reading, although for different reasons."

>> "This is where the so called moderates like Anwaar loose their credibility in defending the problems with Islam or Muslim world."

The subject was literal reading of some verses. You have used it as an occasion to unfold RSS's stock propaganda which has been aired here 50 times before!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-65/35
Aug 22, 2014
01:18 PM

"Just look at your comments over the past 24 hours. Such naked hatefulness"

Did I target any individual? I honestly believe that radical Islam is the gravest threat to peace and that what you call the "battlefield verses" should be expunged. 

I sincerely believe that India lost more than it gained through its millennium old interaction with Islam. That is my honest opinion, not naked hatefulness.

Some oppose Communism, some support it. Likewise with all ideas and ideologies. Arguing against an ideology is not the same as an expression of hatred.

If all Muslims interpret Islam in the same way that you do, the world would have been an infinitely better place today.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-64/109
Aug 22, 2014
01:16 PM


D.L.Narayan,

>>>> cerebral Suresh is far too SUBTLE for the likes of Anwaar.

But you are the one who missed the point!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-63/30
Aug 22, 2014
01:14 PM


D.L.Narayan,

>>  "While I eat beef occasionally, I think it is insensitive to celebrate beef eating. People's religious sensitvities must be respected."

>> "People's "religious sensitivities" can get offended by fims they have never seen, books they can never read."

Read the article first before commenting on it.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-62/29
Aug 22, 2014
01:10 PM


D.L.Narayan,

>> "Only a moron will call it "gloating" when concerns are expressed about the genocides taking place in the name of religion."

Your attack was on religion and not just on terrorists. You have consistently attacked Islam and consistenly glorified Hinduism. Your attacks have become much more strident since your arguments have been shown to be hollow again and again. You are a sore loser!

Anwaar, Dallas
D-61/2
Aug 22, 2014
01:05 PM

@1/D-4 misogynist: 

If all the SCOUNDRELS (  Modi bhakts and followers ) of Gujarat were as holy as the misogynist, and ran away from the site of Naroda Patya   on 28-2-2002  and not enacted the orgy  of mass gang rape & burning  of girls and women  herded together by Modi's right hand man in the genocide massacre , BAJRANGI , the 2002  butchering and RAPE as part of   Modi's GENOCIDE POGROM  would not have got magic media and public sympathy    and would not have sky rocketed Modi  from Gujarat to Delhi in 12 years.!!!

teekaypee, kerala
D-60/3
Aug 22, 2014
01:05 PM

The title, "Quam de Heeray" (Jewels of the nation) itself is offensive as it extols assassins as jewels. The CBFC should have asked the producer to change it.

Other than that, I am against bans. There are so many films that are an insult to one's intelligence which one does not bother to watch. Then there are films which glorify vigilante justice, superstition and medieval values. Such films are more dangerous than a film on an assassination. There have been several such films on Lincoln, JFK and others, including one called "Nine Hours to Rama" on Gandhiji" which, unfortunately, is banned in India. We must let the people decide instead of allowing the government to decide on our behalf. 

Mrs. Gandhi was assassinated nearly three decades ago and a majority of Indians were either not born then or care much about it. It is highly unlikely to lead to violent protests unless they are orchestrated by political parties.

The state has been given the requisite powers by the people to uphold law and order. Is the government tacitly admitting that it is powerless to prevent a handful of lumpen elements from rioting?

Why are the self-declared votaries of freedom of expression silent on this ban?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-59/34
Aug 22, 2014
01:02 PM


D.L.Narayan,

>>>> " Yes, but you are also a hate-crazed saffronite."

>> "That, sir, is merely your opinion."

Just look at your comments over the past 24 hours. Such naked hatefulness! You were presenting yourself as a mature and erudite BJP supporter. It took me six months to expose you as a low level hatemonger. Sad!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-58/13
Aug 22, 2014
12:56 PM

D.L.Narayan,

>> "Muslims are safer in India than in Muslim majority countries."

You want to talk of foreign countries when the question is why are Muslims unsafe in India! Shouldn't our first concern be what is happening in our country?

Anwaar, Dallas
D-57/8
Aug 22, 2014
12:54 PM

NOTE WITH DISGUST: The headline emphasises 'Black'. Not 'Men".

Misogynist
Chennai, India
D-56/2
Aug 22, 2014
12:53 PM

Obviously, a case of prostitution, where the girl lies about 'rape', in order to protect herself - from her familyor perhaps her boyfriend. The police too, have 'protected her honor and dignity'. Misplaced feminit worship.

Women who lie, in order to defame males, should have their tongues chopped off, and cu*ts filled with boilly oil.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-55/2
Aug 22, 2014
12:53 PM

Obviously, a case of prostitution, where the girl lies about 'rape', in order to protect herself - from her familyor perhaps her boyfriend. The police too, have 'protected her honor and dignity'. Misplaced feminit worship.

Women who lie, in order to defame males, should have their tongues chopped off, and cu*ts filled with boilly oil.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-54/1
Aug 22, 2014
12:46 PM
The guilty must be severely punished.
Anwaar, Dallas
D-53/2
Aug 22, 2014
12:41 PM

It must have been easy peesy for the woman, who knows fully well that males are very protective of the 'beautiful' gender, and would nt dare hit her back forcefully.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
D-52/5
Aug 22, 2014
12:38 PM

So far, Modi Sarkar ( sorry, but it is not BJP that is in government ) has proven itself to be as corrupt ( no action against corruption ), as anti male ( note that 25% of cabinet is composed of feminits, though tey generally are averse to public life ), and business friendly ( crony capitalist ) as the Congress.

The only area it scores far ahead, is in media publicity, seen to take action on every ( tiny ) issue that is on TV channels the night before.

But we can afford to give it more time, before declaring the 'result', given that there is no viable alternative, ( except the pus*y mad family).

My litmus test will remain to see if te doctor population ratios has increased. This will show not only a. ) the will to tackle institutional corruption, but b.) to see sensitivity to real public problems which are c. ) not publicised in the media and d.) affect the long term health of the nation.

Good point, VM.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
D-51/2
Aug 22, 2014
12:25 PM

The antimale STEREOTYPE remains, that when a feminit is killed, the fault should always be with the killers, especially so if they are male.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-50/1
Aug 22, 2014
12:23 PM

The government, is acting stupid in trying to protect her.

Now, she, and her antimale colleagues, and media friends, will project her re arrest as 'feminit heroism', even misogyny.

Protecting feminists, whatever the intention, is risky business, and feeding into their gender propaganda machine.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-49/1
Aug 22, 2014
12:05 PM

The only PROMISE  ' Modi-Amit  Genie-Frankenstein  CREATURE'   can offer to  slave Indians is to establish their long chershed TYRANT DICTATORSHIP, which is virtually accomplished. !!!

teekaypee, kerala
D-48/108
Aug 22, 2014
12:00 PM

>> This is an oversimplification. The states only pay lip service to religion while engaging in their state craft in the usual Machiavellian ways. Only the Talibans, ISIS, and sanghis do literalistic reading, although for different reasons.

This is where the so called moderates like Anwaar loose their credibility in defending the problems with Islam or Muslim world.

A person, society and its actions is a manifestaion of its underlying philosophy, its thoughts. What we see in Islamic world today is, to put it politely, radicalization and bigotry. The results of this radicalization are there for everyone to see, and they have become much more prominent in last few decades in my opinion. Here are a few:

* Systematic stifling of minorites in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan (wiped out), Bangladesh. I am not even talking about Saudi Arabia or ISIS.

* Degradation in society in general in fields of science, art and music. Do we find any great singers/artists from Pakistan/Bdesh anymore like there used to be three decades back.

* Muslim minorites at loggerheads/conflicts with majority in many countries as they strongly resist assimilation and try to maintain a sense of actually superior culture even as a minority with very little to show in terms of any achievements in areas of science/arts/technology. Examples are Rohangiya in Myanmar (there are actually Hindus too in Myanmar but one never hears of Hindu vs majority riots), Sri Lanka's Muslim problems and also in some parts of India.

This is not some rabid anti-Muslim rhetoric, it is reality which I believe needs to be confronted and a solution thought for it. It is not for nothing that even US/western nations have thought about ways to curb Islamic radicalization.

As pointed earlier, I believe these are consequences of "thoughts and underlying philosophy" of these people and it would deluding oneself if one were too deny that this philosphy is NOT emanating from hate literature/Sunni Wahabi philosphy or from religios scriptures.

This is where I see even the so called moderates (say Anwaar) also failing (to see these conflicts/acts as a result of philosophy built by radicalization) and just to dismiss it as limited to very small minority of people in these countries or even Muslim communities. No, it is not confined to small minority. Past track record definitely does not support that and there in no new evidence to support, it actually seems to be increasing.

This is where unfortunately a moderate Muslim's argument (like Anwaar) fails to have any weight. It is human to have a soft corner for one's religion, it is impressive to not to indulge in dirty/vulgar mudslinging when people mercilessly criticize the whole religion (I have not see many Muslims stand up to that) but to equate RSS with Taliban, to just deny that it is a problem limited only to minority of Muslims and dismiss it very quickly undermines the credibility of those and any hope that the problem's depth is actually understood and an action would be taken. 

That is sad and the end of these discussions I see is ending in mud slinging, some wayward arguments and eventually boiling down to labels of liar/low IQ etc. Sad indeed.

And it is scary to think of what not so enlightened Muslims might perceive the problem like!

Have a good one all!

 

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-47/7
Aug 22, 2014
11:51 AM

>> May be sanghis can explain why I am cast in the role of spokesperson for UPA/Congress

Maybe you can explain why you are cast as a moron, feudalistic queen, and a coward.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-46/7
Aug 22, 2014
11:49 AM

Correction.

"He has turned out to be threat UNITER" should read "the great UNITER" in my previous post.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-45/6
Aug 22, 2014
11:46 AM

" No wonder sworn enemies Laloo and Nitish had to patch up to face the Modi threat!"

Political "analysts" declared that Narendra Modi was DIVISIVE.

He has turned out to be threat UNITER.  Lalu and Nitish, Mulayam and Maya have joined forces. Soon, it will be Mamata and the CPM uniting to thwart the BJP threat in West Bengal.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-44/107
Aug 22, 2014
11:39 AM

SURESH - " A : "it is the historian’s task to bring secularism into our discussions ..."

Q: What makes a historian eminent ?"

ME: "When Anwaar declares that the historian is a sycophant or a hate-monger"(makes that historian eminent)

ANWAAR- "You missed Suresh's point! He was referring to "Eminent Historians", the nemeses of the saffronites!"

I am afraid that the cerebral Suresh is far too SUBTLE for the likes of Anwaar. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-43/29
Aug 22, 2014
11:24 AM

" While I eat beef occasionally, I think it is insensitive to celebrate beef eating. People's religious sensitvities must be respected."

People's "religious sensitivities" can get offended by fims they have never seen, books they can never read, alleged blasphemies, etc., etc. If one tries to please everybody, one ends up pleasing nobody.

I just think that meat eating festivals celebrate butchery of animals. As a child, I saw a goat being sacrificed in the famous Kalighat temple in Kolkata. I get traumatised when I recall that scene today, over half a century later.

I think that all those who want to eat meat should slaughter the animals themselves. If such a law were to be passed, 99% of the world would turn vegetarian. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-42/5
Aug 22, 2014
11:15 AM

Modi has become so influential that when he visits one state, he can influence election results in the neighboring state. No wonder sworn enemies Laloo and Nitish had to patch up to face the Modi threat!

Ganwaar, Ganwaarpur
D-41/12
Aug 22, 2014
10:55 AM

" By the same reasonings, blacks in US have no reason to complain?"

1. India is a democracy and every citizen has the right to complain and seek redressal of grievances. Religion is no bar unless there happens to be a Shah Banu who cannot avail of the legal recourses available to other Indians.

2. The demographic statistics have been cited to counter the specious hypothesis enunciated by Anwaar that Muslims are less safe than Hindus.

3. The reasons for internecine violence have been discussed threadbare. The fact that minorities are dwindling in Pakistan and Bangladesh is also an irrefutable fact. I was just pointing out to Anwaar that instead of making ridiculous comments about the plight of Muslims in India, let him ask himself more relevant questions.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India