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Jan 28, 2013
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Madhu Kishwar’s piece The Kettle Hits Back is a succour for people like me who aren’t really happy with Narendra Modi’s perceived anti-Muslim shades but still believe he must be given a chance to counter the feudal, crony order of the G clan.

Kumar Rakesh, Chandigarh

Madhu Kishwar, you’re a fearless, honest writer who tells it like it really is.

Krishan Chhibbar, Lorton, US

Can’t agree more with this tweet Kishwar put up once: ‘Congress darjanon riots hazam kar gayi, Modi ek bhi nahin kar paya. Secularism ka mukhauta laga lo, to sab maaf (The Congress could digest a dozen riots; Modi, not even one. Wear the mask of secularism, and all’s forgiven).”

Gurkirat Singh, Delhi

Were Outlook editors on holiday or what?

Jainarayan K., Chennai

Madhu Kishwar is either incredibly stupid or wilfully blind to the fact that once communal parties come to power and stay there, there will be no need for communal violence as the minorities will be terrorised and marginalised. Look only at Pakistan, there is no Hindu-Muslim violence as could conceivably have been the case. While healthy debate should be encouraged, Kishwar does not belong to a forum like Outlook unless she writes as a Modi representative and not as a columnist.

H.M. Siddhanti, Richmond, US

Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-31
Dec 22, 2012
01:23 PM

This piece tacitly acknowledges Modi's likely role for 2002 riots but tries to put things in perpective in the backdrop of numerous such government-sponsored riots in gujarat itself and across the country in the past. i appreciate this write-up and find it in a succor for people like me who are not really happy with Modi's perceived anti-Muslim shades but nevertheless believe that he must be a given the chance when the alternative is feudal and crony order propopagted by Gandhis. Even if one acknowledged for argument's sake that Modi had a hand in fuelling anti-Muslim riots in 2002, it is also a fact that he is an able administrator, pragmatic economist and above corruption. The fact that he has no family to promote is also to his credit. The state has been free from any riots since 2002 means that Modi has moved beyond the politic of riots.

He elicits such strong reactions from the old order for the simply reason that he is an outsider and threaten to shake the old, rotten world's foundations. The reigning order - and i include well known journalists, NGOs, and activist types in this -- is still more comfortable with Delhi politicians like Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley; but the idea of a complete outlier taking over reigns of power poses a serious threat to their livelihood. Modi's outright refusal to coopt these largely venal crop has only fueled their dislike for him.

How ridiculous it is for people to accuse him of promoting personality cult while cheering for a family which has named every second state institution after its members. Even a failed prime minister like Rajiv Gandhi, who also encouraged anti-Sikh riots and never apologised -- has Metro station, numerous welfare projects named after him. And the man was awarded Bharat Ratna as well.

Modi deserves a much better treatment from his critics. 

kumar rakesh
chandigarh, India
2/D-32
Dec 22, 2012
01:24 PM

An extremely interesting and thought-provoking essay by a recognised intellectual.

The second part of the essay was far superior as it spoke of the importance and necessity of inclusive development.

To say, however, that the killing of Sikhs in 1984 somehow justifies (I don't know how) the killing of Hindus / Muslims in 2002 is an argument which will find few takers.

Finally, regarding the LTTE - please note that the Americans were planning to develop Trincomalee in Eastern Sri Lanka (one of the finest natural deep water harbours in the Indian Ocean) as a base for the US Navy. This would have practically cut off the Indian Navy's Eastern and Western Commands. The LTTE and others were propped up to ensure that this did not happen - realpolitik is unfortunately not Indian Journalism's strong point.

Gaurab Banerjee
Kolkata, India
3/D-36
Dec 22, 2012
02:09 PM

As is true of many of Madhu Kishwar's recent articles, this one too is slanted and polemical. She is clearly out to whitewash all of Modi's sins and give him a certificate of being a haloed super administrator. His widely alleged complicity in the Muslim massacre, his lies, deceptions and shameless cultivation of cult of personality are all given short shrift. She is putting her own credibility to risk with such hack jobs.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
4/D-55
Dec 22, 2012
05:31 PM

>>His widely alleged complicity in the Muslim massacre - Anwaar

u did not say what you think of ethnic cleansing in Kashmir!!!

bala
Chennai, India
5/D-69
Dec 22, 2012
07:11 PM

Francois Gautier exposes Medha Patkar's explosive agenda!!

http://bhagatsinghkrantisena.blogspot.sg/search?q=NBA

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
6/D-71
Dec 22, 2012
07:14 PM

Dear Sir,

I often wonder why everybody - the politicians, media and all form of bleeding heart NGOs are so scared of Mr. Modi's rise to power again and again?

Do they not see the inclusive development and progress in his State over the last decade - and without any communal riots - while other States have had their share of these riots?

Perhaps they fear a change in the order will upset their cosy mutual back scratching arrangements!

Navin Malhotra
New Delhi, India
7/D-74
Dec 22, 2012
07:20 PM

Well said Ma'am.

In fact, many among the Modi-bashers brazenly allege that the Godhra train massacre was a VHP/BJP conspiracy, even though several known Congressmen have been convicted by the courts for that mass murder.

There indeed should be as extensive a probe into this ffrom a political angle as there was to the riots that succeeded it. Also the dubious role of the earlier Enquiry commissions which ruled the now proved arson to have actually been an accident should be investigated as alo the mandate provided to them by the then Railway Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav & accountability fixed for the erronous conclusions.

hari
chennai, India
8/D-81
Dec 22, 2012
07:57 PM

Briillant article. Too good an article to be published in outlook.

Maha
NJ, United States
9/D-84
Dec 22, 2012
09:00 PM

 The article is an eye opener for readers like me who have been far long being brain washed by false propoganda. Modi deserves praise for his commitments to his people.

ajit mishra
nagpur, India
10/D-89
Dec 22, 2012
09:26 PM

Finally, some justice is being done to Modi. A weaker man would have succumbed to such a sustained vilification campaign carried by the Congress and its sidekick, the Indian media. But every insult hurled at Modi has only strengthened him. My respect for the man has multiplied manifold, not just because he has tolerated such vile opponents, but also because he hasn't let such a campaign affect him and his state. The result is there for everyone to see; Gujarat zips ahead and others can only envy it.

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
11/D-100
Dec 22, 2012
10:27 PM

 We were groping all these years to read something credible,be it Tavleen sings,or shekhar guptas.et al.this article from ms MADHU PURNIMA KISHWAR is about the best article candidly written and presented,we have all seen how ms madhu kishwar used to be muzzled by the media anchors,whenever she tried to make her point,It is so refreshing ms kishwar to read your non biased artilce.

thank you once again madhuji

harish naik
bangalore, India
12/D-102
Dec 22, 2012
10:29 PM

The biggest fan of Madhu Kishwar on this forum is surprisingly silent.

RSM
Delhi, India
13/D-103
Dec 22, 2012
10:33 PM

Isn't it ironical that the people who lost all credibility with their ten year vicious propaganda are today worried about Madhu Kishwar losing her credibility?

RSM
Delhi, India
14/D-105
Dec 22, 2012
10:50 PM

RSM >>The biggest fan of Madhu Kishwar on this forum is surprisingly silent.

I have just logged in. Wait. Assuming you meant me.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
15/D-106
Dec 22, 2012
10:57 PM

One thing that is missed out here wrt Gujrat that came up during Gujrat election discussions on TV is security of women. Some girls talked about how secure they feel at night during navaratri in Gujrat. It is very relevent specially in the context of epidemic rape crimes in other parts of India.

Maha
NJ, United States
16/D-110
Dec 22, 2012
11:17 PM

... have gone so overboard in demonizing Modi that even people like me who have been consistent critics of BJP feel revolted enough to say: “This has gone too far. Please don’t manipulate us beyond our tolerance limit.”

Precisely the point.
Salman Rushdie said in some interview regarding his book Satanic Verses; (something like):
"Now the book is living the normal life it deserve, which was denied for long. Just as any other book, it has its good and bad."
Same thing goes with Modi.
As a human being, and an administrator to top that, it is impossible for anyone to be perfect.
The normal criticism, as well as praise, he deserves, has been denied by pseudo brigade for far too long.
Some of the BS of this brigade is so appalling that jaw drops in disbelieve.
The "idea of India" is in danger, some are saying.
Who the F authorize you to draft that idea anyway?

One has to give credit to this man.
Imagine a olympic race; where everyone is running on normal track, but one player is given a track with all hurdles and ditches. Yet he is the one keep winning.
Kuchh baat to hai.

Santosh Gairola
Hsinchu, Taiwan
17/D-116
Dec 22, 2012
11:36 PM

 >>The systematic demonisation of Narendra Modi in the media began with Medha Patkar’s Narmada Bachao Andolan.

Modi became the darling of the media and a section of the population only after Gujarat 2002. Even before Modi was anywhere in the picture, Madhu Kishwar had serious reservations with NBA. Madame, it was through Manushi, I learnt about the nature of communalism in India, how communal violence is enacted. It was through your writing, I learnt to read Arun Shourie, what he writes and what he misses. You were the lone voice in media to never forget Delhi 1984. Through you I also got a perspective on calls for Uniform Civil Code. You visited us in Bombay in the aftermath of the communal violence and saw the devastation with your own eyes,and wrote about it too.  I have learnt a lot from you, and nothing can take away that. I shall reply to you in a day or two,.

But the very first line of your article is not exactly honest, is it?

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
18/D-1
Dec 23, 2012
12:00 AM

 "I have just logged in. Wait. Assuming you meant me" R. Saroja.

For once, you are spot on. I do think it was intended for you. RSM beat me to it, lol.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
19/D-4
Dec 23, 2012
12:14 AM

 "Today Muslims of Gujarat are clearly scripting a new role for themselves and a new equation not just with Modi but also those who want to keep scratching their wounds and encashing their real and imaginary vulnerabilities. They are letting the world know that they can speak for themselves and manage their affairs without the help of manipulative mediators."

The day the Muslims of India see how they are being manipulated, become political aware of how their vulnerabilities, both real and perceived, are being exploited at the altar of political expediency, that is the day when true secularism will triumph over latent communalism, and divisive politics get totally  eradicated from the political landscape of our country.

I look forward to the day when we are Indians first and all our sub-identities are incidental and do not detract from our primary identity as children of Mother India, the cradle of civilisation and home to unity in diversity. The first nails have gone into the coffin of pseudo-secularism. RIP.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
20/D-11
Dec 23, 2012
01:58 AM

now madhu keeshwar will branded as a fascist by looney seculars, fact is, NAMO towers above all. paid news media like OUTLOOK will only look more and more idiot and fool as NAMO goes on on on ...

NAMO5
London, United Kingdom
21/D-12
Dec 23, 2012
02:03 AM

Saroja,

>> Modi became the darling of the media and a section of the population only after Gujarat 2002.

That is the absolute truth. To say anything different is a deliberate lie and Madhu Kishwar should know it.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
22/D-13
Dec 23, 2012
02:09 AM

>> "The day the Muslims of India see how they are being manipulated......"

How the Hindus of India are being manipulated by Modi is the real problem. How some seculars like Madhu Kishwar succumb to this seduction is a tragedy.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
23/D-15
Dec 23, 2012
02:24 AM

 the Gujarat riots of 2002 converted Modi bashing into an extremely rewarding career advancement strategy for media persons, NGO activists, academics and sundry intellectuals.

This is probably the most important sentence in this well-written article. Krishna Prasad and VM will be looking for escape routes after letting this article publish. Someone should have been asleep at the wheel in letting this slip through. 

Today Muslims of Gujarat are clearly scripting a new role for themselves......

They could do that??? What happens to India's secularism if they are allowed to develop like every other citizen of this country? 

Kautilya
Washington DC, United States
24/D-19
Dec 23, 2012
02:35 AM

Thank you Madhu kishwar for writing an unbiased article about Narendra modi. I did not expect such an article from you as i have seen you many times debating same as other pseudo-secularists do on tv channels. but you should be appreciated for being non-biased in your views.

skp
Bangalore, India
25/D-32
Dec 23, 2012
04:11 AM

An honest article by a secular in Outlook!

Probably this is what the Mayans meant by the end of the world.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
26/D-44
Dec 23, 2012
07:31 AM

One of the recurring themes in Indian history is the uncanny ability of Hindus to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

The Battle of Tallikota in 1564 should have been an easy victory for Vijaynagar, but just as the battle was turning in their favour, an arrow hit the elephant of Rama Raya, the king of Vijaynagar, and the wounded elephant ran away from the battle. Seeing this, the Hindu troops panicked and were routed. The armies of the Deccan sultanates then entered Vijaynagar and razed it to the ground after slaughtering everyone in the city, ending a glorious kingdom which had served as the focal point of Hindu resistance for 250 years.

This was not the first time in Indian history that wounded elephants turned the tide of the battle against us. Al Beruni records that when Muslims first encoutered war elephants in India, they were terrified of these huge beasts, but soon realized that by wounding these animals, they could be made to run amuck and trample on their own troops. The smart thing for Hindus to do would have been to give up war elephants at that point - if kings needed to have war elephants to stay above the battle, they should have had a large of very visible leaders all over the battlefield to make sure that there was no "single point of failure" as we say in systems engineering. But then, the Hindoo has a sense of the past but no sense of history, so learning from history is difficult for us.

As much as we celebrate the victory of Modi, we must remember that like at Tallikota, we are one lucky sniper shot or bomb blast away from being leaderless once again. The need of the hour is not for one Modi or ten Modis - it is for a million Modis all over India to root out these Islamists and sickulars who have been eating our country and our people, and to transform all of India, not just Gujarat.

Fedup Indian
Hyderabad, India
27/D-47
Dec 23, 2012
08:07 AM

On the other SECULAR SIDE

-- All the SEVEN MLAs of Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) of Hyderabad are Muslims.
-- All except SC MLAs of AIUDF  of Assam are Muslims.
-- The only RULING MUSLIM PARTY in any state- Indian Union MUSLIM LEAGUE (IUML) of Kerala has NEVER EVER had a non-MUSLIM Minister from 1957-2012. Presently all FIVE MINISTERS and 22 MLAs of IUML in CONGRESS led UDF GOVT of Kerala are Muslims.

-- AND the Congress led UPA Govt is VERY SECULAR accepting support from MPs of all above MUSLIM PARTIES and making ONE IUML MUSLIM MP from Kerala a Minister in UPA GOVT.  

Charan dewry
Guwahati, India
28/D-50
Dec 23, 2012
08:59 AM

 I'm frankly surprised, but if Madhu Kishwar writes something, it is worth considering seriously.

Zafar
Sydney, Australia
29/D-56
Dec 23, 2012
09:43 AM

Madhu Kishwar >>Moreover, Gujarat government is providing 90% subsidy for drip irrigation in order to being about efficient water utilisation. 

Now in Tamil Nadu as far as drip irrigation is concerned,

"While 100 per cent subsidy (maximum of Rs.43,816 per acre) is given to small and marginal farmers, other farmers would be able to get 75 per cent subsidy to adopt drip irrigation to cultivate crops like long staple cotton, maize, groundnut and sugarcane."  www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article3773858.ece

About recharging ground water, Gujarat is in a better position because of Narmada. But other states are not lagging behind as far as check dams etc are concerned. twadboard.gov.in/twad/check_dam.aspx

No one in TN is tom toming about the next the PM being Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha.

Madhu Kishwar >> Gulati also explains that Bt Cotton has produced an economic miracle in Gujarat. Cotton yields have gone up by 80% in Gujarat while pesticide consumption has come down dramatically. Gujarat government made it easy for its farmers to access high yielding sturdy seeds whereas the UPA government under pressure from ill-informed NGOs is putting all manners of hurdles in farmers acquiring better seeds. As per Gulati’s estimates, Bt cotton has created a Rs 10,000 cr export potential per year. However, in Maharashtra Bt cotton is comparatively less successful; it has even led to farmer suicides and economic distress. This is because over 50% of the cotton crop area in Gujarat is irrigated while Vidarbha is growing cotton with less than 5% area under irrigation. Bt cotton can’t grow without assured irrigation.

There is very sparse coverage of rural news in Main stream English media. However about Bt cotton story in Gujarat -

After eight years of uninterrupted success, Bt Cotton seems to have run into trouble in Gujarat. Scientists of Monsanto, the multinational giant that developed Bt Cotton in India with Mahyco, have detected unusual survival of pink bollworm (a pest) while monitoring the 2009 cotton crop in Gujarat.

Pink bollworm was found in the cotton crop of Amreli, Bhavnagar, Junagarh and Rajkot districts. These districts had reportedly started using Bt Cotton illegally since 1998, four years before the genetically modified variety of cotton was launched for commercial use in the country.

Scientists have found unusual survival of pink bollworm to first-generation single-protein Bollgard cotton. Testing was conducted to assess resistance to Cry1Ac, the Bt protein in Bollgard cotton. Similarly pink bollworm resistance to Cry1Ac was confirmed in the four districts. www.dnaindia.com/india/report_resistant-bt-cotton-gives-away-to-pest-in-gujarat_1355817

Also, escalating costs and other problems have reduced the percentage of farmers growing GM crops in Gujarat. While 80 per cent of Khedbrahma’s farmers were known to be growing Bt cotton till recently, of late the figure has reduced to 10 to 15 per cent. Arvind Bhai, a leading Bt farmer in earlier days, said with exasperation, “I tried all kinds of treatments, spent a lot of money, but my Bt cotton crop did not recover. So I decided to give up this crop.” A similar experience was shared by other farmers of the village like Ashok Bhai.

www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/society/a-call-against-bt-cotton/article3784160.ece

But then the paid news aspect of Bt- cotton success story is well known . I am not aware of anyone trashing Sainath siory on that. 

To be fair, Madhu Kishwar has pointed out the importance of irrigation for the success of Bt.cotton. Opinions are still divided over it. It is not a simple case of bigotted NGOs on one hand and a progressive CM on the other. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
30/D-57
Dec 23, 2012
09:52 AM

Madhu kishwar: You are fearless honest writer who can look thru the telescope and wrote a truthfull artical about Mr. Modi.In india every one compare him with Hitler.That is another mystry to me. A man has done so good to India.I can say a bravo.Everyone Knows: Center buys votes with money and rule through accusing opposition with the same charges which they faces by the highest court of India.They get the votes from poor people and  from educated also by divide and rule.People are helpless and can't face so many different parties and their agenda.Center wins.Congress will do utmost to make Rahul Gandhi as PM.This government will not change, unless the modification of Indian constituion happen.I wish like most of us some kind of miracle may happen to save poor indians.Rich and corrupt people are ok.They have nothing to fear. They have no need to go any where else.

krishan chhibbar
Lorton, United States
31/D-62
Dec 23, 2012
10:27 AM

 My comment #29. Madhu Kishwar has a point that media are demonising only Modi over Gujarat 2002. I do not see why Congress should get away with Delhi 1984 or its role in Ram Janma Bhoomi movement or other riots. 

In my humble opinion, (I do not understand big business), given peace, people will find solutions to their problems in their own way. Tamil Nadu has serious power crisis. But that has also forced people to look at solar energy alternatives. The media is guilty of downplaying the misdeeds of Congress. Media has very short term memories. They hop from issues to issues.

Where some people have stuck to one issue and have been successful in bringing justice, it is Madhu Kishwar who is demonising the activists. Without the activism of  Citizens for Justice and Peace, or Jan Sangarsh Manch or CDs of Rahul Sharma or their analysis by JSM, intervention of National Human Rights commission or Supreme court or Tehelka Sting, Gujarat would have gone the way of others.

I am no apologist for Congress. And I am no supporter of "intellectuals" like Girilal Jain who whitewashed and justified everything that is rotten in our country. Intelligentia should be objective and probing. I am not willing to give that title to runners of media empire. Ours is a vast country, with no dearth of people who can lead. The current churning that is going on, whether over mega scams or rape, will hopefully throw up some leader with vision. Or may be we will plod along without any "Leader". 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
32/D-66
Dec 23, 2012
11:04 AM

 All I can say is ... Thank you Ms.Madhu for this honest apprisal of the current situation and the reality check. Constant vilification campain against Mr.Modi who is increasing proving his mettle as a leader is unbecoming of the media pushing more and more into his league of supporters. Not just that, as you've rightly pointed out, the targetting and tarring of the ppl who see something positive of his state is also a factor which the pseudo vermins donot understand inspite of repeated assertions. Many have seen through the activities and funding of these ngos which are feasting on the communal divide. 

Some points worth noting....

But as per figures given by the Congress party’s minister of state for home Shri Prakash Jaiswal on 11 May 2005 in Parliament, those killed included 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus while 223 persons were reported missing. But anti- Modi brigade routinely overstates the case by talking of “thousands of Muslims” being butchered without every acknowledging Hindu casualties. Nor is the death of 59 Hindus burnt to death at Godhra railway station ever treated with the same seriousness. In fact, many among the Modi-bashers brazenly allege that the Godhra train massacre was a VHP/BJP conspiracy, even though several known Congressmen have been convicted by the courts for that mass murder

But in Ahmedabad, thousands of Hindus, a large number of them Dalits, had to take shelter in refugee camps. There were several instances of Muslim attacks on Hindu homes and shops. 34 Muslims have been sentenced by courts in Gujarat. But this is never mentioned even in passing in media discussion on 2002

Adding to that the perpetuation of victimhood among the minorities where as the incidents such as the plight of kashmiri hindus/ or the reaction of muslims to BM demolition and the rioting of mimand congie goons in hyd are, as we are told, mere "reactions". If some jihadi idiots bombs and kills ppl or set fire to trains, our media crooks start justifying it under the pretext of "kashmir"/2002/bm. In fact they vie with eachother in giving very sophisticated excuses, where the evidence runs 180 deg to those excuses. Case in point. ... Godhra train burning. And these (coupled with the victimhood feeling even where the minorities are the aggressors) do provide the canon fodder for the jihadi factory. no ? Lastly, the communal violence bill if enacted would be devastating to the nation if not properly revised instead of being blatantly biased against the so called majority

By contrast BJP tried harvesting only one crop—that too in collaboration with the Congress party

Forget about the "crop harvesing" by the bjp, what were the congies upto ... the "hand"s role (and not just complicity) had not been investigated thoroughly into the Godhra train burning case too

Even the highly partisan Sachar committee report

Thanks for reaffirming my own views on it

Sangeetha
Chennai, India
33/D-75
Dec 23, 2012
11:39 AM

 R Saroja >> In my humble opinion, (I do not understand big business), given peace, people will find solutions to their problems in their own way. Tamil Nadu has serious power crisis. But that has also forced people to look at solar energy alternatives.

You are wrong. TAMILNADU has not been able to look at Solar Energy alternatives. Because, SOLAR energy is not an alternative, if you are interested in a "STATIST, COMMUNIST" Economic model where the "STATE" is expected to give freebies and run the budgets of citizens and fund the same by selling liquor to the same citizens.

TamilNadu's Energy Picture is in shambles. This is for a state, that is most urbanised state of India, which is having perhaps most established industrialization dating back to 100 years, which is more industrialized than every big state except Gujarat.

Last 3 decades of investment in wind energy has ruined TamilNadu, because people are unable to take to simple truth that Wind energy is such a useless, volatile, unreliable source of power that simply wont work to power up its industries...

Solar Energy works only where people are ready to pay high rates of electricity to allow utilities to invest insolar power. It is working in Germany. It wont work in socialist state of Tamilnadu, till people agree to pay for their electricity. And R Saroja and other leftists should first understand this basic truth.

Ramki
Delhi, India
34/D-77
Dec 23, 2012
11:45 AM

Hitting the nail of the coffin, Madhuji?. You will soon be branded as a farcist, a hitler etc. I hope your emploers wont fire you. In the last 10 years this is the first time i have come across a pro Modi article. Thank you.

arun nair
mumbai, India
35/D-80
Dec 23, 2012
11:57 AM

 R Saroja >> No one in TN is tom toming about the next the PM being Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha.

Leave aside Jayalalitha, the fact is from 1996 till now (2013), that is in last 17 years, for 16 years the DMK of Mr Karunanidhi has been part of every, I repeat every government at delhi and has owned plum, portfolios that coudl have made real difference to the people of TamilNadu. And DMK has also been such a critical part of every government that its exit would have even meant the end of government ... And maybe next to CON-gress party, the party that has been longest duration in Government @ Delhi has been DMK !!

So it is not about judging Namo as a PM candidate vs Karunanidhi not harbouring PM candidate aspirations. It is also about how much has been delivered to people of a state by leaders of the party.

You can feel unhappy with Namo's record as Guj CM (despite a hostile govt at delhi ) but what about the record of DMK as partner of governments@ delhi last 17 years !! How much has it benefitted the people of TN? That is the objective criteria which you will not discuss about ...

Ramki
Delhi, India
36/D-90
Dec 23, 2012
12:26 PM

Saroja Mami,

[[No one in TN is tom toming about the next the PM being Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha.]]

What a ridiculous comparison! First of all, has either of them been able to retain power even once? We see a change of government every 4 years in TN. While Jayalalitha is a very capable administrator, the fact is that even she hasn't been able to rule TN for two successive terms. How then can either one of them (although I do feel Jayalalitha is PM material) be talked about in the same breath as Modi?

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
37/D-93
Dec 23, 2012
12:51 PM

 No leader in India can survive with just one communal riot. Look at Congress , they engineered communal riots in AP,UP,ASSAM and elsewhere but had probably won only one election or did not win any .


That is ,even if we were to consider that Mr.Modi actively connived at pestering the communal riot in the after math of Godhra mass killings. However, indicting the highest authority of the state is extremely difficult ( anywhere), even if had personal prejudices as a human being. Never before a head of a state was investigated like the way Modi was investigated.


The idea was to bury his popularity as quickly as possible and to build a permanent “Samadhi” forever to BJP as well as to Modi.. Congress party was right in their assessment but were clearly wrong in their strategy to finish him. I think BJP party lost at least 10 seats just by about 2000 votes margin only. The tally could have been 125 !!
So, to win thrice, you must have something in you. In south for example , NTR could not come back in the very next elections and Jayalalitha was no different. Except Jyothi Basu, I think there was hardly anyone ( at CM level) who could win thrice in a row all on his own , without a mixed Govt.


The winning factor is the negative propaganda. It is social science , which proves a theory that a negative propaganda can be more powerful than any positive factors not just in elections but even in commercial advertisements to sell a product. A “kichdi” Janatha Govt. came to power because of a negative vote against Indira Gandhi. Even BJP came to power at Centre largely through a negative vote. NTR first time , came to power due to a negative vote against Congress.


In Modi's case, it was negative for the Congress to witch hunt Modi's faults if any ,during a communal riots 10 years ago. If Congress and its paid media and foreign agents go with this witch hunt and continue their propaganda, it will only strengthen Mr.Modi.
Modi on the other hand trying desperately to get rid of this albatross around his neck. He proved that by doing good work like for example , appointing highest number of Muslim police constables in Gujarat compared to any state even Kerala. We have a very high number of Telugu people in Gujarat ,mostly weavers but also others like hotels and pharmaceuticals etc., Telugu women in TV interviews say that they feel very safe in the streets because people here are afraid to look at women. All most all of them openly said they would vote for Modi.( BJP is immaterial.)


One can observe what happens to a leader if he remains non-corrupt, and play decisive politics. MJ Akbar said Mr.Modi played decisive politics whether good or for bad. If Indira Gandhi were to contest elections today, she would win 450 seats. He was also able administrator, decisive and personally very simple living and a honest person. That has won him the victory. In today's world people are fed up with corrupt politicians.

bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
38/D-94
Dec 23, 2012
12:56 PM

 Ramki,

According to 2011 report, Tamil Nadu ranks 8 in HDI with Kerala leading the list. Gujarat is #11. Per Capita income Gujarat ranks 9th as 2010-11 figures.How come you do not hear 8 other states boasting about theit PCI or 10 other states about their HDI?

You are very fond of lecturing to the leftist R.Saroja. Last time I was arguing for no subsidies for LPG, instead subsidize solar cookers.

About wind mills in TN, the govt has a buy back agreement with the wind mill owners.My understandind was, when there is "overproduction", the fear of grid instability has resulted in the power not being utilized. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
39/D-97
Dec 23, 2012
01:07 PM

Fedup,

>> it is for a million Modis all over India to root out these Islamists and sickulars

What a hateful post! Rooting out people with such hateful communalist views would be a lot better for India.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
40/D-98
Dec 23, 2012
01:09 PM

  No leader in India can survive with just one communal riot. Look at Congress , they engineered communal riots in AP,UP,ASSAM and elsewhere but had probably won only one election or did not win any .


That is ,even if we were to consider that Mr.Modi actively connived at pestering the communal riot in the after math of Godhra mass killings. However, indicting the highest authority of the state is extremely difficult ( anywhere), even if had personal prejudices as a human being. Never before a head of a state was investigated like the way Modi was investigated.


The idea was to bury his popularity as quickly as possible and to build a permanent “Samadhi” forever to BJP as well as to Modi.. Congress party was right in their assessment but were clearly wrong in their strategy to finish him. I think BJP party lost at least 10 seats just by about 2000 votes margin only. The tally could have been 125 !!
So, to win thrice, you must have something in you. In south for example , NTR could not come back in the very next elections and Jayalalitha was no different. Except Jyothi Basu, I think there was hardly anyone ( at CM level) who could win thrice in a row all on his own , without a mixed Govt.


The winning factor is the negative propaganda. It is social science , which proves a theory that a negative propaganda can be more powerful than any positive factors not just in elections but even in commercial advertisements to sell a product. A “kichdi” Janatha Govt. came to power because of a negative vote against Indira Gandhi. Even BJP came to power at Centre largely through a negative vote. NTR first time , came to power due to a negative vote against Congress.


In Modi's case, it was negative for the Congress to witch hunt Modi's faults if any ,during a communal riots 10 years ago. If Congress and its paid media and foreign agents go with this witch hunt and continue their propaganda, it will only strengthen Mr.Modi.
Modi on the other hand trying desperately to get rid of this albatross around his neck. He proved that by doing good work like for example , appointing highest number of Muslim police constables in Gujarat compared to any state even Kerala. We have a very high number of Telugu people in Gujarat ,mostly weavers but also others like hotels and pharmaceuticals etc., Telugu women in TV interviews say that they feel very safe in the streets because people here are afraid to look at women. All most all of them openly said they would vote for Modi.( BJP is immaterial.)


One can observe what happens to a leader if he remains non-corrupt, and play decisive politics. MJ Akbar said Mr.Modi played decisive politics whether good or for bad. If Indira Gandhi were to contest elections today, she would win 450 seats. He was also able administrator, decisive and personally very simple living and a honest person. That has won him the victory. In today's world people are fed up with corrupt politicians.

bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
41/D-99
Dec 23, 2012
01:13 PM

 Alakshyendra,

A leader should be decisive, able to inspire, make people take pride in what they want to be without being divisive. I will settle for Nitish Kumar or some other person who may appear on the scene.Modi or Rahul are no where in the picture.Congress may stand a chance if they settle for someone like PC or Shiela Dikshit. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
42/D-101
Dec 23, 2012
01:19 PM

Economic development has never brought any leader as much adulation as Modi commands among his admirers. Let us face it. Modi is loved by the saffronites for the same reason that Aurangzeb is loved by Pakistanis. So let us drop all these pretentious rationalizations of development.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
43/D-110
Dec 23, 2012
02:26 PM

The entire media in India are just the pimps of this Italian family.So also are the social activists like Arundhati Roy,Teesta Setalvad etc who are additionally the prime anti-Hindu forces in the country.One can switch off the TV when Gujarat politics is discussed with anchors like Barkha Dutt,Sagarika or Rajdeep Sardesai.You will never see an N.Ram,or Vinod Mehta or their likes commenting on the utter limitations in Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.It is high time that Arvind Kejriwal does an indepth analysis of the links between the Sonia family and the English media in gneral.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
44/D-114
Dec 23, 2012
03:27 PM

"Congress darjano riots hajam kr gyi, Modi ek bhi nahi kr paaya. Seculirism ka makhota lagalo toh sab maaf. " Madhu purnima Kishor in one of her tweets.

gurkirat siingh
delhi, India
45/D-121
Dec 23, 2012
04:28 PM

 Could the developments in Gujarat in the wake of Godra carnage not be a spontaneous backlash of the long suffering Hindu majority to the vote bank politics and politics of appeasement practised by the congress and the shocked response of the community to the cruel end of the 59 karsevaks in the bogey inferno? 

K.Sundaram
Bangalore, India
46/D-139
Dec 23, 2012
06:10 PM

Clearly all those Modi bashers should reexamine their perceptions/convictions, of necessary by comaparing notes with fellow travelers.Of course they can continue as they are as ten years of their rantings have had zilch effect !A labour of love(should I say hate?) unmindful of rewards. I am not so sure of the rewards bit as several NGOs are surviving on this industry!But ten years is a long time to be at a poinless endeavour.That a whole set of such 'commentators' can pretend that the events mentioned in this article never happened and still persist in brainwashing the mangoes is a measure of their obduracy and pigheaded attitudes.By now  people have a good sense about such commentators and avoid their idiotic write-ups.As long as there is some remuneration such paid news/views will find its way into the print and visual media, to be avoided like the plague.

Dr.V.Mahadevan
Chennai, India
47/D-140
Dec 23, 2012
06:19 PM

 "How the Hindus of India are being manipulated by Modi is the real problem. How some seculars like Madhu Kishwar succumb to this seduction is a tragedy."...Anwaar

With due respect, Mr. Anwaar, the Hindus of India are not a monothic voting block to be manipulated by anyone. The Hindus are divided by caste, language and region. While there are schisms with the Muslims too, when it comes to voting, the will sink their differences and join the ranks. Which is why an Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait from Gujarat who knew no Malayalam can win several elections from Kerala on an IUML ticket and a Mohammed Azharuddin from AP can win elections from UP. Modi's appeal to is not because of the 2002 riots but because of his track record as an excellent administrator. 

As for Madhu Kishwar, she is no simpleton to be 'seduced' by Modi's 'charms'. Nor is she having a closed mind like many so-called secular intellectuals who wear ideological blinkers and cannot see beyond their nose. If Ms. Kishwar cannot differentiate between truth and hype, I do not know who can. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
48/D-153
Dec 23, 2012
08:21 PM

 Really refreshing to see an article on Modi that is different from the usual congress propaganda and puts thing in proper perspective.  Maybe the outlook editors were on holiday. Otherwise they would not have published this.

outlookjai
chennai, India
49/D-175
Dec 23, 2012
11:22 PM

"What a hateful post!" Anwaar

- Hate is what Hindus, Sikhs and other religious minorities are subjected to in every part of the Indian subcontinent - Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir - where Muslims are a majority. Hindus and others have been killed by the millions, ethnically cleansed and forcibly converted to a point where all these countries are 99% Muslim except for Bangladesh which is 93% Muslim and rising.

- Hate is demanding the right to convert Hindus to Islam while killing Muslims who convert to other religions and threatening/jailing/killing pastors or priests who proselytize Muslims (this happens in "secular" India - see below).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/accused-pastor-in-kashmir-india-given-reprieve-69830/

- Hate is demanding the right for Muslim men to marry Hindu women and convert them, while killing any Hindu man who marries a Muslim woman - this happens in "secular" India.

http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/vijaywada-muslims-rampage-as-hindu-boy-weds-muslim-girl/

- Hate (self-hate) is what sickulars are guilty of when they know that a Muslim mob burned alive 59 Hindus in Godhra but dismiss it as an "accident".

- Hate (self-hate) is what sickulars are guilty of when they call the killing of 1000 Muslims in Gujarat "genocide" while staying silent about the millions of Hindus who were killed in East Pakistan in 1971 or about the epidemic of murder/rape/forced conversions of the last remaining Hindus and Sikhs that is going on *today* in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

- Pointing these things out and demanding that Islam reform itself is not hate.

- Pointing out the utter hypocrisy of sickulars, like Ms. Kishwar has in this article, is not hate.

D.L.Narayan expressed my views perfectly:

"I look forward to the day when we are Indians first and all our sub-identities are incidental and do not detract from our primary identity as children of Mother India, the cradle of civilisation and home to unity in diversity."

Fedup Indian
Hyderabad, India