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Sep 18, 2014
08:59 AM

 Why poodles at     are DESPERATE for  's Indo-China diplomacy to fail:

Mohan, Adiiipur
Sep 18, 2014
08:54 AM

This lie actually was started by Ibn Battutah. Janwaar

So Ibn Battutah, a Muslim writing for other Muslims centuries ago, invented a lie to make Muslims look bad? And the Ency. Iranica, which is presumably an Iranian website maintained by Muslims, gives the same information, perhaps because they are Sanghis? Ency. Britannica gives the same information - they are sanghis too?

Note Saroja's bint Parrot's well-known modus operandi - she does not refute anything I cited but brings in Breivik, Godhra (parrot squawks "Gujarat riots" again!), Sri Rama Sena and other irrelevant things because she has nothing to refute what was written.

This is standard operating procedure for these apologists like Janwaar and his Bibi - lie through your teeth, blow smoke, accuse others of being dishonest etc. even when they do not need to. The bestiality of Mahmud of Ghazni and his janwaars is well documented by Muslims themselves. Were hundreds of thousands of unfortunate Hindus, Buddhists and Jains enslaved by these janwaars and taken to slave markets in Ghazni, Baghdad and other Islamic hellholes? We have the written testimony of Muslims from those times. Could thousands of poor Hindus, Buddhists and others have perished along the way? Obviously. Why then defend the indefensible? Because for these people, lying is a habit - they lie even when do not have to.

Their problem is the truth - in the Internet age, their increasingly pathetic and desperate lies keep getting exposed. Here is an article by a black African on Islamic slavery of Africans - read it and wonder at how these people like Janwaar and his Bibi can defend this kind of bestiality, and about what it says about the sickness in their souls.


Janwaar Bibi
BibiSarai, Iraq
Sep 18, 2014
08:28 AM


>> "I am building up the case from Vastanavi's prosecution."

Vastanavi is a Sunni himself. Stop making a fool of yourself.

Anwaar, Dallas
Sep 18, 2014
08:24 AM


>>  "they even named a mountain after Hindus killed"

Another bold-faced lied of the RSS propaganda machine. This lie actually was started by Ibn Battutah, and it is one of several errors and inventions in his book.  According to Nigel Allan, Hindu Kush meant both "mountains of India" and "sparkling snows of India", as he notes, from a Central Asian perspective. Others maintain that the name Hindu Kush is probably a corruption of Hindi-Kash or Hindi-Kesh, the boundary of Hind. 

Dallas, United States
Sep 18, 2014
08:23 AM

Apparently the whole westen world went to the side of Pakistan ...

Those who cared to read the true dynamics of our Independence movement know that Gandhi's much acclaimed Quit India movement was the culprit for the West to shift their sympathies away from India, for ever.
If you see impartially, Allies were fighting a terrible WWII and Gandhi was busy mobilising forces inimical to the ruling Brits who were in terrible shape.
It's near equivalent of Kashmir or Tamil Nadu asking for secession from the union when India is fighting a war, say with a powerful neighbour/enemy.
Lord Wavel, the then Viceroy who had a reputation for forthrightness, wrote to the British Govt that the Congress leaders could not be trusted as allies in the fight against the fascists and they wouldn't make well meaning partners in future either. And Jinnah took the opportunity to play politics and was willing to be a partner if he got Pakistan, which he got.That's how the Western alliance became closer to establish bases in Pakistan which always got support in all forums against India. It is another matter that it played its foreign policy to milk the West to the maximum. Whereas we remained parroting empty ideals which no one cared. Even today that one decision of Gandhi is affecting our interests.

Our leaders truly lacked prudence.That's all one will get to know after knowing the real facts of history.Any wonder none of the legacies of either Gandhi or Nehruare alive today.Only ritualistic acknowdgements on their birth days that remain.

Chennai, India
Sep 18, 2014
08:14 AM


>> "You acknowledge nothing and try to rationalize everything."

I am dealing here with those who exaggerate, lie and distort. This is not a scholarly seminar.

>> "You are not even a secular- for that you have to be a critic not an apologist of your community."

You don't have to be, although I am.

Dallas, United States
Sep 18, 2014
08:05 AM

>>In India, the Muslim population has gone up from 8% to 15%, Gujarat and Muzaffarnagar notwithstanding.

Over to you. As a trained physicist, analyse the data and tell us what can be inferred from it.

What can be inferred is your lack of rigour. Was Muslim population as low as 8% ever? That data (assuming it to be true) can only have come from a time after partition but before inclusion of Jammu & Kahmir/ Hyderabad state in the union. 

I have never denied the persecution of minorities in Pakistan or Bangladesh. What is your point? You want to ape them?

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
Sep 18, 2014
08:03 AM

Amit Shah is as ignorant as his saheb. Or is he just making up stories?

Anwaar, Dallas
Sep 18, 2014
08:01 AM

>>Perhaps Wikipedia and Ency. Iranica are suffering from "Oakism."

Right. I came across this phenomenon as I was reading Breivik's book over 2 years back. Here is a real time record of the "research" as I traced the sources of Breivik's "research".  "Hindu Kush" appears in it. fairy-tales-alive.blogspot.in/2012/09/criminality-and-insanity-breivik.html

Anyone can write on Wikipedia. So any info that you get from wiki must be verified. Dhimmi has the experience of quoting from wiki on Godhra train burning when those extracts were not present in the source mentioned. That is part of Sanghi "History rewriting project".

Another example on Sri Rama Sene - Here is a version about 2 years old -


A extract from then -

One of things which has raised suspicion on the main motive of this group is the timing of their activities as most of their activities were during elections. Their activities have created a scare against Hindu extremism which has helped Congress. Ram Sena also became active during Anna Hazare movement which helped Congress as it took away attention from the core issue of the anti corruption issue. So, there have been speculations that they are being sponsored by Congress.

It was unsourced.  A web search then took to Sri rama sene's official website. That was my first action in wikipedia, deleting that para. It has not been challenged. The current wiki page reads



Sachbolo has been pasting some references to wiki. I did an analysis of the sources. That follows later today.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
Sep 18, 2014
07:59 AM

Bravo, but don't do it again!

Dallas, United States
Sep 18, 2014
07:58 AM

Then look at the cheap, misleading and dirty plaque put up by the archielogical survey of India at the site.


ASI is infested with guys who could not get elsewhere. So are their tastes and ideas of maintainence. Look at our museums, monuments and historical relics. Filth, dirt and squalor is all we get to see.

If you see the surroundings of famed Anand Bhawan you will get an insight into the mindset of our political leadership. The whole area is unkempt and overpowered by the stink of urine and shit !! Hardly any noticeable maintenance of roads around. If they can't maintain their own places of glory what can we expect from this class?

With due apologies to the Gandhians, I will say, the so called 'simplicity legacy' of Gandhi has been hijacked by them to make everything in this country look and feel  shoddy and characterless. Our post independence govt buildings are the example of our politicos shoddiness. They have failed us miserably.

The much maligned colonial rulers had better commitment toward maintaining our monuments than our own bas***rds.

The Sun temple in Konark became a place of protected monument after it was discovered during Lord Curzon's time. So is Taj Mahal, the money spinner for the ASI.

Chennai, India
Sep 18, 2014
07:46 AM

Does that mean we surrender Ladakh and Arunachal to China.In exchange.

For 10  years we heard that the Congress has virtually sold India self respect by doing nothing when the Chinese have violated the LAC.

So many Retd Generals were on Tv asking China to be thought a hard lesson

harun, chennai
Sep 18, 2014
07:42 AM

What is being claimed is mere conjecture,if and but not withstanding.

Shah must explain why a man who holds out promise for a better India and led his party to huge victory ,finds his party losing in Seats which they held before May 16th.

Its time Modi takes charge of his party  as well,Shah has been over hyped

harun, chennai
Sep 18, 2014
07:35 AM

Whats the hype about pacts when territorial integrity is under stress

harun, chennai
Sep 18, 2014
07:03 AM

>> ( they even named a mountain after Hindus killed ) Suchch Bolo

> Oakism in full flow!  Saroja bint Parrot

From Wikipedia article:

Although the derivation is only a possible one, some authors have proposed the meaning "Kills the Hindu" for Hindu Kush, a derivation reproduced in Encyclopedia Americana (1993):

The name Hindu Kush in Farsi/Parsi literally means 'Kills the Hindu', a reminder of the days when Indian slaves from the Indian subcontinent (whom their enslavers referred to as Hindus[6]) died in the harsh weather typical of the Afghan mountains while being transported to Central Asia.[7]

A 1958 National Geographic article "West of Khyber Pass" states that "Generations of raiders brought captive Hindus past these peaks of perpetual snow - killing many of them in the process. Such bitter journeys gave the range its name Hindu Kush - 'Killer of Hindus'".[8] The World Book Encyclopedia relates that "the name Kush, .. means Death",[9] while the Encyclopædia Britannica says "The name Hindu Kush first appears in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah, the medieval Berber traveller, who said the name meant 'Hindu Killer', a meaning still given by Afghan mountain dwellers who are traditional enemies of Indian plainsmen (i.e. Hindus)."

From Encyclopedia  Iranica:

"The name Hindu Kush is, from a historical point of view, quite young. It is missing from the accounts of the early Arab geographers and occurs for the first time in Ebn Ba??u?a (ca. 1330; tr., p. 53; Le Strange, Lands, p. 350). ....Ebn Ba??u?a sees the origin of the name Hindu Kush (Hindu-killer) in the fact that numerous Hindu slaves fell victim to the dangers of the unknown world of the high mountain range while crossing the pass on their way from India to Turkestan."

Perhaps Wikipedia and Ency. Iranica are suffering from "Oakism." Or perhaps Saroja bint Parrot is lying for her pet religion again.

Janwaar Bibi
BibiSarai, Iraq
Sep 18, 2014
06:02 AM
Professor Chellaney, an international expert in strategic studies, has recently given an incisive analysis for the growing India-China dalliance under Modi Raj: http://chellaney.net/ China’s Borderline Belligerence To quote from it: ..... "In recent years, the People’s Liberation Army has been taking advantage of its rising political clout to provoke localized skirmishes and standoffs with India by breaching the two countries’ long and disputed Himalayan frontier. The PLA’s recent intensification of such border violations holds important implications for President Xi Jinping’s upcoming visit to India – and for the future of the bilateral relationship..... Now, China is at it again, including near the convergence point of China, India, and Pakistan – the same place last year’s PLA encroachment triggered a three-week military standoff. This pattern suggests that the central objective of Chinese leaders’ visits to India is not to advance cooperation on a shared agenda, but to reinforce China’s own interests, beginning with its territorial claims. Even China’s highly lucrative and fast-growing trade with India has not curbed its rising territorial assertiveness. ............ Particularly egregious was Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s 2003 surrender of India’s Tibet card. Vajpayee went so far as to use, for the first time, the legal term “recognize” to accept what China calls the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) as “part of the territory of the People’s Republic of China.” That opened the way for China to claim Arunachal Pradesh (three times the size of Taiwan) as “South Tibet” and reinforced China’s view of territorial issues: Whatever area it occupies is Chinese territory, and whatever territorial claims it makes must be settled on the basis of “mutual accommodation and understanding.” Vajpayee’s blunder compounded Nehru’s 1954 mistake in implicitly accepting, in the Panchsheel Treaty, China’s annexation of Tibet, without securing (or even seeking) recognition of the then-existing Indo-Tibetan border. In fact, under the treaty, India forfeited all of the extraterritorial rights and privileges in Tibet that it had inherited from imperial Britain. As agreed in the pact, India withdrew its “military escorts” from Tibet, and conceded to the Chinese government, at a “reasonable” price, the postal, telegraph, and public telephone services operated by the Indian government in the “Tibet region of China.” For its part, China repeatedly violated the eight-year pact, ultimately mounting the trans-Himalayan invasion of 1962. In short, China used the Panchsheel Treaty to outwit and humiliate India. Yet, just this summer, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s new government sent Vice President Hamid Ansari to Beijing to participate in the treaty’s 60th anniversary celebrations. Ansari was accompanied by Commerce Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, who, during her stay, signed an agreement allowing China – without any quid pro quo – to establish industrial parks in India. This will exacerbate existing imbalances in the bilateral trade relationship – China currently exports to India three times more than it imports from the country, with most of these imports being raw materials –thereby exposing India to increased strategic pressure and serving China’s interest in preventing India’s rise as a peer competitor. The fact that the spotlight is now on China’s Tibet-linked claim to Arunachal Pradesh, rather than on Tibet’s status, underscores China’s dominance in setting the bilateral agenda. Given India’s dependence on cross-border water flows from Tibet, it could end up paying a heavy price. Embarrassed by China’s relentless border violations – according to Indian Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju, there were 334 in the first 216 days of this year – India has recently drawn a specious distinction between “transgressions” and “intrusions” that enables it to list all of the breaches simply as transgressions. But word play will get India nowhere. A reminder of that came at July’s BRICS summit of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, when, yet again, China emerged ahead of India. The BRICS’ New Development Bank, it was announced, will be headquartered in Shanghai, not New Delhi; India’s consolation prize was that an Indian will serve as the Bank’s first president."
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Sep 18, 2014
05:45 AM
Absolute agreement with Raja (#2/D-89). ..... May just add the saying that those who do not learn from history, history will repeat for them.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Sep 18, 2014
05:38 AM
Gee, it is the 'Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai' once again, the war cry of the Chinese PLA when they overran in 1962 Indian Army's military posts all along the entire Pangong Lake, erstwhile belonging to the kingdom of the Maharaja of Kashmir. It is amazing how Nehru's vision of the world is being resurrected now after so many years and so soon in the Modi Raj. I thought up until yesterday that Indira Gandhi had given that vision a well deserved burial long time ago. But this is not to be. Those who do not learn from history, history will repeat for them as the head line of an adjoining column reveals " Flag Meet Fails as Chinese Soldiers Make Fresh Incursion in Chumar" not far from Pangong Lake !
Pinaki S Ray, Adelaide
Sep 18, 2014
05:22 AM

@Pinaki S Ray

Well our father of nation was the biggest crook we have produced.

Our first PM was arrogant, incompetent, self serving and lived somewhere in the clouds.

That explains the reason for India being a third world country inhabited by emotional fools.

Delhi, India
Sep 18, 2014
05:11 AM

The Martand Sun Temple in Kashmir, which Sikandar Butshikan spent a year to demolish, may still be the largest standing ruins of any temple going back to 6th-7th century in north India. It should be better preserved  and could be a jewel if  partially restored  using same stones and techniques, as many Roman ruins have been.  The apathy of Hindus to their historical heritage also shocking.

Such Garh, India
Sep 18, 2014
04:38 AM

ISIS Is Not Just Un-Islamic, It Is Anti-Islamic

By Nihad Awad (national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization.)

Extremist Muslims who commit crimes like those carried out by ISIS should be called criminals. We must not legitimize their actions by calling them jihadists.

The American Muslim community and Muslim scholars around the world have repudiated and rejected ISIS’s twisted ideology, calling it not just un-Islamic, but “anti-Islamic.”


Anwaar, Dallas
Sep 18, 2014
03:15 AM

>> Then look at the cheap, misleading and dirty plaque put up by the archielogical survey of India at the site.

This is disgusting.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
Sep 18, 2014
03:08 AM

Apparently, Congress /UPA government could not discuss that with Chinese Prez.  So it hired Narendra Modi to do that. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
Sep 18, 2014
02:30 AM

Feminists who LIE in order to frame males, should have boiling oil poured into their cu*ts.

misogynist, chennai
Sep 18, 2014
02:24 AM

So the general thrust is that this was the story of a poor girl forced by circumstances into prostitution !!

What hypocrisy. She had made a career choice. So please stop the sob story. 

Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Sep 18, 2014
02:04 AM

The history is well known to most Indians that Sardar Patel was against going to UN before Indian soilders took back entire J & K.  Nehru over ruled him and accepted ceasefire.  May be Nehru was confident that UN will see Pakistan as aggresor and give judgement in India's favour.  Apparently the whole westen world went to the side of Pakistan and India (Nehru) was forced to hide in the lap of Russia.  As they say, rest is history. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
Sep 18, 2014
12:53 AM

Shah just got it wrong.

The devlopment and progress was good enough,why he went for dividing and spreading hate among Indians.

harun, chennai
Sep 18, 2014
12:33 AM

I don't acknowledge the exaggerations of the revisionists. ANWAAR

That's also not true.You acknowledge nothing and try to rationalize everything.

You are not even a secular- for that you have to be a critic not an apologist of your community.

NEW YORK, United States
Sep 18, 2014
12:33 AM

>> ( they even named a mountain after Hindus killed )

Oakism in full flow!

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
Sep 18, 2014
12:03 AM

Stunning :

"Hindu temples were felled to the ground and for one year a large establishment was maintained for the demolition of the grand Martand temple. But when the massive masonry resisted all efforts, fire was applied and the noble buildings cruelly defaced.-Firishta, Muhammad Qãsim Hindû Shãh; Tãrîkh-i-Firishta (History of the Rise of the Mahomedan Power in India)."


See the link. As colossal and as magnificient as the most magnificient Roman ruins. Then look at the cheap, misleading and dirty plaque put up by the archielogical survey of India at the site. No mention of Sikandar Butshikan, who took a year to massacre the Hindu city and finally burn down the temple and wipe out Hindus from that area.

Such Garh, India
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