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D-105/5
Aug 28, 2014
08:13 PM

" Even Stalin started a scheme like this."

Which Stalin, Josef or M.K. ?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-104/1
Aug 28, 2014
08:00 PM

The problem with the judgement is that it treats every criminal case by the same yardstick. That is a stupid way to approach the issue.

Rape, theft, murder are one kind of criminal cases while cases relating to political activism are quite another. Dr Harshvardhan has a couple of criminal cases against him but the charge is political in nature--not criminal.

Iif I organize a dharna against something I think as injustice, police will arrest me and file a criminal case. But that is not the same thing as me getting arrested on a murder charge.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-103/21
Aug 28, 2014
07:57 PM

Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, A Canadian-Pakistani scholar of Quran, summarises the Islamic position thus: "Islam seeks to establish such a society where all citizens of the state enjoy equal rights and religion does not become the basis for any discrimination. Islamic law holds both Muslims and non-Muslims equal and no superiority or privilege is given to the Muslims on any ground.." -Anwaar

I wonder how many Muslims would really follow Qadri outside the west - or even in the west( if you consider the radicalization of young Muslims in the west). Quran has very explicit passages that give lesser rights to non-Muslims. References of "Kafir", " Zizya" tax etc. if not deleted, cannot convince ordinary folks about the equality of followers of all religions. The Islamist terrorists, on the contrary, around the world are inspired by the holy scripture. Sectarian conflicts in Islam also are as old as the religion itself. Can Qadri's interpretation change the reality?

As regards Jinnah, I believe he acted always as a lawyer and from time to time chosen both sides of any argument for political expediency. At times his dubious positions appeared ridiculous. He was close to senior Congress leaders like Tilak and Gokhale,praised by Sarojini Naidu for his secular views and was against Gandhi-supported Khilafat movement for its communal tone. Yet an Anglophele who liked scotch and pork, expensive suites and European summer retreats, Jinnah eventually joined hands with hardcore communal Muslims, expounded a ridiculously divisive and exclusivist theory about Indian Muslims. He allowed to transform a political movement to protect the minority rights into a divisive religion -inspired movement to create a homeland for the "pure". After creating a nation-state for the pure through widespread communal violence and a bloody partition any speech to exhort non-Muslims cannot fool anyone - neither the Muslim masses nor his ardent supporters. It was not unfortunate, but plainly obvious that a divisive two nation theory would eventually lead to an Islamic state. (It would be moronic if not hypocritical otherwise to argue for the creation of a separate state for the Muslims and then declare it as a secular state.)

This whole idea of exclusiveness - the refusal to accord equal rights to minorities and at the same time demanding more than equal and exclusive rights as a minority is the cause of all problems for the Muslims in the subcontinent. You may disregard my views as the interpretation of a Hindu communalist and continue to view Jinnah as the idol for secular Muslims. Yet have you assessed the permanent legacy of the Qaed e Azam? Instead of uniting Indian Muslims, Jinnah's politics facilitated division of Indian Muslims across three nation states, formation of a failed state that is in perpetual war with its neighbors as well as with its own citizens, and institutionalization of communal discord that perpetuates as long term legacy of his ill-conceived ideas. The rest of India meanwhile has maintained in its centuries old self with a multi-religious and inclusive society living with both harmony and occasional conflicts inherent in its diversity, showing how futile was Jinnah's politics of Muslim exclusivism in the first place.

DC
NEW YORK, United States
D-102/4
Aug 28, 2014
07:56 PM

Even Stalin started a scheme like this.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-101/3
Aug 28, 2014
07:54 PM

@ Ashok Lal - "The initiative will succeed most if it is accompanied by a disciplined credit culture. No loan write offs."

It can succeed only if there is discipline, or the scheme will be unsustainable. Modi, given his abhorrence for populism, will ensure discipline.

However, one can visualise Congress making loan write-offs an election plank. The party has bankrupted the economy and unless it is wiped out, it can sabotage even the best of schemes.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-100/2
Aug 28, 2014
07:46 PM

This is real garibi hatao, not the empty vote-catching slogan raised by Indira Gandhi.

This is real empowerment of the people, giving them, accounts, debit cards, overdrafts; not making them dependent on doles from a benevolent Sonia Gandhi.

This is a yojana for the people and does not seek to glorify any person by naming the scheme after someone.

Congress and its assorted supporters, apologists and sycophants; go, eat your hearts out. Modi is not only transforming governance, he will transform the face of India.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-99/1
Aug 28, 2014
07:31 PM

Praiseworthy. The initiative will succeed most if it is accompanied by a disciplined credit culture. No loan write offs.

ashok lal, mumbai
D-98/1
Aug 28, 2014
07:21 PM

Are there no good hospitals in Bihar?

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-97/1
Aug 28, 2014
06:49 PM

>> '' According to the FIR, her husband then quietly left the room and sent Shamshad to sleep with her ''

This is very much in accordance with Muslim culture...Cross Breeding is always encouraged by Mullah clerics !

JO MB, Kolkata
D-96/3
Aug 28, 2014
06:34 PM

Nothing surprising but it is still fascinating to see how media covers a BJP member and a Congress member.

The alleged rape case is getting lot of coverage. Few days back, Rukshana made a similar charge against Chidambaram and the media buried the story.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-95/6
Aug 28, 2014
06:31 PM

Ganwaar, who can outdo you when it comes to foul-mouthed language? Moron, look at your own posts before calling others foul-mouthed. GANWAAR, GANWAARPUR

Who is talkng to whom? Anwaar, on slightest criticism, calls others Sanghis and RSS pracharaks, and so others, call Anwaar Jehadis. One abuse invites another. So please, both of you, refrain from naming others. Put one argument against another. That is what they do in civilised societies.
george, london
D-94/1
Aug 28, 2014
06:24 PM

(1) Functioning of the Employees’ Provident Fund Organization (EPFO) is not satisfactory. One feels that first priority for the Central government should be to ensure that EPFO functions as a professionally managed organization. If this is not done, PF members will continue to suffer inconveniences, like delayed settlements, delays in transfer of accounts, etc. it may notify upward revision in threshold limit. (2) Although the top bureaucrats in the headquarters of EPFO are making efforts to revamp EPFO, the lower and middle level employees in the offices of Regional P F Commissioners do not appear to be so involved in the revamp. (3) I wish to say something more on the subject. Currently EPFO has a responsibility of two schemes, other than the basic PF scheme. They are (a) Employees’ Deposit Linked Insurance Scheme (EDLIS) and (b) Employees’ Pension Scheme (EPS). The administration charges collected by EPFO for these two schemes are unreasonable and therefore management of both EDLIS and EPS should be out-sourced to a life insurance company, say LIC of India in the interest of all PF members. Once this is done, EPFO can take devote more time and energy to deal with matters related to the core PF scheme.

Narendra M Apte, PUNE
D-93/1
Aug 28, 2014
06:12 PM

PM launches this scheme today but I think it will be struck down as unconstitutional for two reasons

1) It was not named after Nehru or Indira or Rajiv
2) No special bank accounts for muslims.

In other words, it violates the idea of India and is communal.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-92/20
Aug 28, 2014
06:05 PM

"Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on ..."

Forget Direct Action day. Pak was created on the explicit premise that muslims cannnot live together with hindus.

And yet, when the founder of such a state makes the claim that there will be no distinctions based on religion, there are ninnyhammers to believe it.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-91/3
Aug 28, 2014
06:01 PM

This growth fascism has gone unchecked by Congress as they themselves are practicing a passive fascism.In the interest of peace these people need to be put behind bars and their organizations are banned.But in the name of development these extremist Hindus have captured power and they will foment riots and frame Muslims with the help of burecracy,Intelligence agencies and police to fool people and perpetuate power.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
D-90/19
Aug 28, 2014
05:58 PM
Please read "direct action day" for "direction day" in my previous posting. Amazing, the (convert) resident Mullah is shameless to the extreme in lying right, left and centre to get his way !.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
D-89/18
Aug 28, 2014
05:58 PM

>> "Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on ..." - Anwaar

>>>> "... Liar!... Why did Jinnah unleash his "direction day" in Calcutta in 1946 when Jinnah's Muslim mobs went on hacking to death the Hindus there in the middle of night on a sudden,surprise attack when they were asleep?" - Pinaki Ray

The speech was prepared with the hope that 'direct action day' will be 100% successful.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
D-88/17
Aug 28, 2014
05:50 PM
"Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on ..." - ... Liar!... Why did Jinnah unleash his "direction day" in Calcutta in 1946 when Jinnah's Muslim mobs went on hacking to death the Hindus there in the middle of night on a sudden,surprise attack when they were asleep?.... And tell that to the East Bengali Muslims who fought for their Bengali mother tongue from the very first day of Pakistan's birth since Jinnah banned their Bengali mother tongue as it as a Hindu language.... It seems there is no limit to your shameless lying as (descendent of ?) a convert to Islam. .... All the forum members are intelligent enough to catch you on your game. When are you going to stop as an apologist of Islamic Jehad and lying? Jinnah was on the same jehadi track as it is happening now on various countries in this world.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
D-87/1
Aug 28, 2014
05:39 PM

Copies of this resolution must be printed and stuffed down the throats of these people. It is worth nothing else.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-86/5
Aug 28, 2014
05:37 PM

Everyone born is guaranteed to die(death is infact the only certainty in life) and yet no one commits suicide because of that. One tries to live to the fullest.

What the TMC guy says is true. There will never come a time when there will be zero crimes. But that is not an excuse to do nothing. We still must strive to reduce the crime rate as much as possible.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-85/4
Aug 28, 2014
05:31 PM

What he actually meant is : "As long as women exist, false ALLEGATIONS of rape will always be there."

Of course, Women who lie about rape in order to defame males, must have their tongues slashed off, and boiling oil poured into their c*nts.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-84/4
Aug 28, 2014
05:31 PM

What he actually meant is : "As long as women exist, false ALLEGATIONS of rape will always be there."

Of course, Women who lie about rape in order to defame males, must have their tongues slashed off, and boiling oil poured into their c*nts.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-83/7
Aug 28, 2014
05:29 PM

Sreenivasan Jain was got peddling lies about love-jihad and Rupa Subramanya exposed him beautifully.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
D-82/51
Aug 28, 2014
05:27 PM

Excellent article by Ravinar

www.mediacrooks.com/2014/08/medias-love-jehad-denial.html#.U_6KFDxM_y8.twitter

I did not know that the Kerala HC had warned about Love jihad way back in 2009. The media people are denying it in 2014!!

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-81/1
Aug 28, 2014
05:22 PM

Modi has simply copied from China. China publishes a newspaper from Madras to propagate its views. 

What is the big deal in tweeting in a foreign language for one day?

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-80/2
Aug 28, 2014
05:10 PM

What is not being highlighed is how India is responding under Modi

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pak-suffers-heavy-casualties-as-govt-gives-troops-free-hand/articleshow/40874090.cms

I am happy that Modi is on the offensive(literally) against Pak.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-79/2
Aug 28, 2014
05:01 PM

The woman who filed the rape charge is a Congress party member with close ties to many state Congress leaders.

Something is fishy here.

Akash Verma, Chennai
D-78/3
Aug 28, 2014
04:46 PM

As long as the world exists, thickhead politicians would be there.

Amit Thakur, Tokyo
D-77/1
Aug 28, 2014
04:36 PM

Law is never allowed to take its own course in India, specially if any politician or their family is involved. 

george, london
D-76/3
Aug 28, 2014
04:33 PM

It is the sheer luck of the ndians that they werte saved from an emabarassment. Rahul as Pm would be an utter disgrace and a joke.

george, london
D-75/1
Aug 28, 2014
04:30 PM

You cannot trust a Paki.

george, london
D-74/2
Aug 28, 2014
04:15 PM

Bottom line is, is is not a good news at all for Sonia/Rahul and Co.  When High Court put a stay, the media were souting from the roof top that they got reprieved.  Not today. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-73/2
Aug 28, 2014
03:26 PM

There are some truths which cannot be voiced because they are "politically incorrect." It is in the very order of nature that the male of the species - any species - dominates physically, even aggressively, over the female in the interests of the perpetuation of the species. This is there for everyone to see in the animal world. But from among them the human race (also 'animals', broadly speaking) has, for better or for worse, evolved over time and is governed by social norms of "civilised" behaviour. One therefore has to accept the fact that as long as human beings exist there will always be deviation from these norms and the primordial instincts of the male will sometimes supersede the curbs imposed by society. If society has to tackle these aberrations, the sooner one recognises this reality the better.

Perhaps Dipak Halder put forth his views too crudely, but this proposition is bound to attract the wrath of the righteous in whichever way it is propounded.

Ramesh Ramachandra, Bangalore
D-72/5
Aug 28, 2014
03:19 PM

Is it not 'Big brother watching you'?

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi
PATTAMBI, India
D-71/4
Aug 28, 2014
03:17 PM

 Is it not 'Big brother watching you'?

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi
PATTAMBI, India
D-70/16
Aug 28, 2014
03:12 PM

Ganwaar,

[[Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on religion.]]

Your motives become suspect the moment you bring in Jinnah and his straight-faced lie about how "Hindus are free to go to their temples and Muslims are free to go to their mosques" speech. For more than a decade before that, Jinnah spewed venom about how Hindus and Muslims were two different people and how Hindu heros are viewed as villians by Muslims and vice-versa, and they could never live together.

You can fool some people all the time and all that!!

Ganwaar
Ganwaarpur, India
D-69/15
Aug 28, 2014
02:59 PM

"Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on religion."

Pure, unadulterated bullshit.

A secular state in a homeland for Muslims, Pakistan, the land of the "Pure"? Whom was he trying to fool? A man who never expressed an iota of remorse for the horrific partitition riots for which he, more than anyone else, was responsible. Secular, my foot.

Jinnah was two-faced: a pork eating, scotch sipping liberal for the west and a fanatic sherwani clad, kafir hating Muslim to his supporters. He gave lip service to secularism while following rabidly communal politics.

Both the fundamentalists and the moderates find verses in the Holy Book to justify their POV. The same is true of the "Quaid-e-Azam."

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-68/1
Aug 28, 2014
02:58 PM

TMC applies for anticipatory bail.

K.Suresh, Bangalore
D-67/5
Aug 28, 2014
02:21 PM

Congress did not spare even the dead body of Narsimha Rao

pankaj hedaoo, Kuala Lumpur
D-66/6
Aug 28, 2014
02:04 PM
If Gujarat is SOOOOOO bad in all parameters & sill the state populace is electing BJP/Modi time & time again with thumping majority. OL should do an "INVESTIGATIVE" piece on this phenomenon & publish the truth & facts instead of hype & fiction.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
D-65/5
Aug 28, 2014
02:00 PM

Ganwaar, who can outdo you when it comes to foul-mouthed language? Moron, look at your own posts before calling others foul-mouthed.

Ganwaar, Ganwaarpur
D-64/70
Aug 28, 2014
01:54 PM
This article is categorized as Section- National & SubSection - OPINION. Actually it should be categorized as Section - Creative, SubSection - Fiction, Fantasy.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
D-63/12
Aug 28, 2014
01:38 PM

Saroja mami,

[[Either that is true or the bhakts are spreading rumours to enhance the prestige of Modiji or .. did Modiji not get the "cut"???]]

Modi is no Teesta to ask for or receive his "cut". That honor solely belongs to those who use unfortunate victims' stories to create an industry and enrich themselves.

Ganwaar, Ganwaarpur
D-62/50
Aug 28, 2014
01:25 PM



Press Conderence Announcement

ANHAD is organizing a press conference tomorrow on August 28, 2014 at 12 noon at IWPC, 5, Windsor Place, New Delhi.

We are quite alarmed at the way the right wing is using ‘Love Jihad’ to polarize people and spread hatred between communities.

The term ‘Love Jihad’ is being used as a dangerous weapon. Messages on whatsApp and face book are flying and relating the phenomenon as an international conspiracy of the Muslims. Communal politics, communal violence all over uses women’s bodies as the site of contestation and community honour. Women’s sexuality is sought to be controlled as they are seen as the repository of culture, values, faith and honour.

Such campaigns against inter-religion, inter-caste marriages are not only against the spirit of a diverse and plural society they also aim to control women’s sexuality and polarise the society along communal lines for electoral and political purposes.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-61/3
Aug 28, 2014
01:14 PM

 Congi crooks and their media pimps and harlots run such mendacious stories and then blame BJP's iternal warfare for this. Once a harlot, always a harlot.

Ravi Patel
Vadodara, India
D-60/14
Aug 28, 2014
01:13 PM


DC,

Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, A Canadian-Pakistani scholar of Quran, summarises the Islamic position thus: "Islam seeks to establish such a society where all citizens of the state enjoy equal rights and religion does not become the basis for any discrimination. Islamic law holds both Muslims and non-Muslims equal and no superiority or privilege is given to the Muslims on any ground...... Islamic state is responsible for the protection and security of minorities."

Jinnah in his speech to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly in August 1947 clearly visualized a secular state with no distinctions based on religion. Eight years after his death, in 1956 Pakistan unfortunately became an Islamic Republic. While reversing that process would be extremely difficult, providing equal rights and protections to minorities is a requirement under the UN Charter of Human Rights and under Islam. But Pakistan is a failed state and loonies are running rampant.
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-59/49
Aug 28, 2014
01:08 PM

Saroja mami,

[[Can you give the figure for men during the same time?]]

Why do you want the figure for men? Isn't it enough when you have the figures for Hindu and Christian women converting to Islam versus the figures for Muslim women converting to either Hinduism or Christianity? What do you want to prove otherwise that you cannot prove/disprove with this set of figures?

Ganwaar, Ganwaarpur
D-58/2
Aug 28, 2014
01:05 PM
"So who is inside the Sanctum Sanctorum?".........ANWAAR
Politicians may come and politicians may go but there will always be someone who will reveal all that transpires within the Sanctum Sanctorum to the ladies on Outlook's editorial team (Naqvi, Gahilote and Ayyub)  
D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-57/48
Aug 28, 2014
12:57 PM

" The Power of Islam !!"

Absolutely.

Also proves that Islam does not discriminate between the sexes. Whether one's spouse is a male or a female, s/he must convert.

PS: All practices which discriminate against women are not Islamic. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-56/1
Aug 28, 2014
12:50 PM

December 9 is ok. Is it 2015 ? 2020 ? 2050 ?

K.Suresh, Bangalore
D-55/47
Aug 28, 2014
12:49 PM

"Why can't we abolish the plethora of individual religion based succession laws and replace them with this one as a precursor to a Uniform Civil Code?"

No UCC please, we are secular.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-54/46
Aug 28, 2014
12:48 PM

@WIAN - "So when hindu women marry muslim men, they change their religion, and when hindu men marry muslim women, again it's hindus who change their religion?"

The Power of Islam !!

K.Suresh, Bangalore
D-53/69
Aug 28, 2014
12:45 PM

The corruption plank overwhich Congresss was outscored in LS polls, now haunts BJP rule through the latest judicial verdict.

C.Chandrasekaran
Madurai, India

Sir, you may be right and same time you may not be right reason is Modi campigned against Congress curroption but fact is people gave him mandate to keep Seculars in "Check"....

So whatever SC says it doesnt matter for atleast RW's  all they want is here after Seculars must be kept away from coming to power.

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
D-52/45
Aug 28, 2014
12:45 PM

" That the aggressors almost entirely belonged to one ethnic class (Pakistanis) should be a cause for serious concern in that community about how the boys are "groomed" by the community."

In the Amanpour interview, Norfolk pointed out that these men did not target girls belonging to their own community. While they respected their own girls, they had no qualms predating on girls belonging to other religions.

He also said that as per their religion, if a girl attained puberty, she had reached the age of consent which was probably why girls as young as 11 were "groomed" and exploited.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-51/44
Aug 28, 2014
12:28 PM

Saroja (#29),

Special marriages Act do not require nor acknowledge anyone's religion. I am just curious - which inheritance laws apply to offsprings of such marriages?

Indian Succession Act, 1925.

This law apply to INDIANs. Why can't we abolish the plethora of individual religion based succession laws and replace them with this one as a precursor to a Uniform Civil Code? The next step would be to deem all weddings irrespective of the form to be weddings conducted under the Special Marriage Act and to be compulsorily registerd as such.

Of course this makes me a Sanghi and communal and what not for suggesting something which is opposed by religous nuts of all persuasions.

Bonita, Chennai
D-50/2
Aug 28, 2014
12:25 PM

 
So how do these Adityanaths, Togadias, Swamys and Akbar Owaisis stay out of prison? Has inciting riots with hate speeches become de-criminalized?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-49/1
Aug 28, 2014
12:21 PM

 

So who is inside the Sanctum Sanctorum?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-48/43
Aug 28, 2014
12:09 PM

>> >> Very likely if the conversions were for the purpose of marriage, there will be cases of hindu men converting to Islam to marry muslim women.

So when hindu women marry muslim men, they change their religion, and when hindu men marry muslim women, again it's hindus who change their religion?

>> Can you give the figure for men during the same time?

The article contains the figures. Let's see if you have the honesty to present that data to other members of this forum, and show the comparison of Hindu men who changed their religion vs Hindu women, and compare them to their Muslim counterparts. Let's also see if you think the difference is explainable as natural, or suggests some pressure forces at work. A simple mathematical exercise. Should be simple enough for you.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-47/42
Aug 28, 2014
12:04 PM

>> About UK case, what is scandalous is that the authorities ignored even when in some cases the parents complained and infact punished them instead.

The same is happening in India, all in the name of political correctness.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-46/41
Aug 28, 2014
12:01 PM

>> So here is the first time a woman is accusing a man of Love Jihad.

She is accusing him of cheating, assault, battery, attempted forced conversion, etc. Relating it to the ongoing Love jihad story is a media/political action, which is legitimate.

>> Let the facts become clear.

Then stop closing your eyes to facts. The information you requested about the number of men who changed religion is in the same article.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-45/11
Aug 28, 2014
11:56 AM

>> When did the Rambo story appear and when was it withdrawn? Withdrawn after generating laughter?

While I had mentioned that Modi should have been more proactive in issuing denials and clearing up the air, does it excuse TOI, or the shallow, perverted journalism? Moreover, was it Modi's fault, that a false story appeared in a major newspaper? And most importantly, is it correct on your part to suggest that Modi did not receive his cut, based on what we know?

>> By the way the TOI story of More Muslim in Police Force is not yet withdrawn though it contradicts data in National Crimes Bureau

Ask TOI.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-44/68
Aug 28, 2014
11:55 AM

That the arteries of BJP are replete with RSS cells is nothing new. Vajpayee himself had to be content with showering advices for Ramrajya, when Babri Masjid  was demolished during KalyanSingh's rule. That Singh is rewarded with a gubernatorial boqueut reaffirms that the remote lies with RSS.So is the undisputed clout of persons who otherwise are mired in all sorts of controversies, be it AmitShah, or Yediyurappa.  The corruption plank overwhich Congresss was outscored in LS polls, now haunts BJP rule through the latest judicial verdict.With  Modi's slogan of Zero Defect and Zero Effect permeating into the political clouds, the onus of  his likely weeding out corrupt ministers, of course the numbers are more, has raised huge expectations amongst  crores of voters. How many heads are to be rolled? and how many bad apples are to be thrown away from the ministerial basket? It is a litmus test for the PM and surely  RSS, the back seat driver will guide him unfailingly !      

C.Chandrasekaran
Madurai, India
D-43/40
Aug 28, 2014
11:51 AM
Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-42/7
Aug 28, 2014
11:45 AM

If SUPREME COURT  had not  stopped at the  very very last point of  the PRECIPE    and had taken one more threatened  step  , Modi would have shed a few crocodile tears, but not sent a SEARCH PARTY   to locate the irrecoverable but not indispensable  wreckage of no value to the nation.  Survival instinct saved itself, and  will ontinue to cry loud of its self inflicted  impotency , but distribution of CLEAN CHITS will go on uninterrupted. "     "Asatyameva Jayate "!!!

teekaypee, kerala
D-41/10
Aug 28, 2014
11:42 AM

>>And regarding that Rambo story, lot of sickulars made disparaging remarks against Modi (you might have done too). NOT ONE had the decency to apologize later, despite being called to do so.

Oh! You called for apologies!!! When did the Rambo story appear and when was it withdrawn? Withdrawn after generating laughter? By the way the TOI story of More Muslim in Police Force is not yet withdrawn though it contradicts data in National Crimes Bureau

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-40/39
Aug 28, 2014
11:37 AM

>> the scoundrels should have been roughed up, and probably thrown in jail (though I'm not certain if they actually committed a crime). While I hate to blame the victims, particularly young vulnerable kids, I thought it was a huge over-reaction on their part to take the extreme step. Their trauma was in no way comparable to the sufferings faced by the victims in Britain.

Street harassment is a crime and practically every woman suffers from it. I am 50+ and suffer from it in the otherwise woman friendly Mumbai. What is really sad s that the girls did not think it appropriate to share their trauma with anyone else or their parents and did away with themselves. 

About UK case, what is scandalous is that the authorities ignored even when in some cases the parents complained and infact punished them instead. That the aggressors almost entirely belonged to one ethnic class (Pakistanis) should be a cause for serious concern in that community about how the boys are "groomed" by the community. 

>>The victims are the least of your concern.

So here is the first time a woman is accusing a man of Love Jihad. He accepts that he beat her once etc. Whether it is a case of "Love Jihad" or the case of marriage failing in the early stages itself is the question. That this love Jihad was sponsored by foreign money is not even charged. 

Let the facts become clear. Once "dowry harassment" was criminalised, a lot of complaints were registered under that, though most should have come under domestic harassment but earlier, that was not an offense. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-39/38
Aug 28, 2014
11:19 AM

" Their trauma was in no way comparable to the sufferings faced by the victims in Britain."

Last night, on CNN, Christiane Amanpour interviewed Andrew Norfolk, the journalist who exposed the incidences of sexual abuse of white girls by men of Pakistani origin. It was absolutely shocking. Norfolk covered just one town and claimed it was taking place all over UK.

"Fear of being branded racist allowed 16 years of ‘appalling’ sexual abuse by Asian gangs of at least 1,400 children in one town, an inquiry found.

"Council officials and social workers ‘tiptoed’ around the fact that ‘by far the majority’ of the victims – who were as young as 11 – were white, according to the Rotherham Abuse Inquiry.

"Five men – Zafran Ramzan, 25, Razwan Razaq, 34, Umar Razaq, 28, Adil Hussain, 24, and Mohsin Khan, 25 – were jailed in 2010 for child sex offences but the inquiry found more attackers remain unidentified.

"Typically, the girls were picked up from school in cars and taxis, and groomed with gifts before being abused by groups of men."

metro.co.uk/2014/08/26/asian-gangs-had-1400-child-sex-victims-in-rotherham-4846850/

I suspect that something sinister is taking place on a global scale. I am sure that such incidents are happening in many other countries in Europe, Asia and Africa.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-38/37
Aug 28, 2014
11:12 AM

>>You claim to be a physicist, and should be familiar with some statistics and probability. Tell me, by which model does this seem probable, unless there is some organized activity. Does it seem plausible that 2667 women converted to Islam while only 2 to Hinduism of their own free wish?

Can you give the figure for men during the same time? 

Very likely if the conversions were for the purpose of marriage, there will be cases of hindu men converting to Islam to marry muslim women. Sadly the acceptance of Special marriages act is very low but it is also extremely user unfriendly 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-37/9
Aug 28, 2014
11:10 AM

>>  The "stupid journalist" you mention is another bhakt Tavleen Singh

What to do with stupid kids. Maybe some kids should be left behind.

She is not reporting claims like the TOI Rambo story, but is clearly saying , here I shall quote it exactly for you, so you may hopefully understand

The corridors of power are awash with rumours

Do you understand now?

There is absolutely no evidence that the son of a senior minister took money, or that the supposed minister was Rajnath, or that Modi ordered the money to be returned.

If there is, would you please present it.

Yet, the absence of any evidence (even a report in a paper), didn't prevent you from the stupid suggestion that Modi didn't get his cut.

And regarding that Rambo story, lot of sickulars made disparaging remarks against Modi (you might have done too). NOT ONE had the decency to apologize later, despite being called to do so.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-36/36
Aug 28, 2014
10:56 AM

>> For the geniuses -

For the madams

>> 1. Susan Brownmiller's study was the first major one on rape. Bangladesh is sxtensively covered there.

I don't give a rat's ass.

>> 2. The black men- White woman rapes, allegations and lynchings are also discussed there.

See above.

>> 3. The acknowledgement of fear/hate campaign against black men does not invalidate or downplay rapes on white women by black men.

See above.

>> 4. "Love jihad" was supposed to be seduction of hindu women by muslim men to increase their numbers and that money was being pumped in to encourage such seductions. No evidences found in any enquiry.

And here I partially agree with you. I am loathe to talk in absolutes unless a clear cut case has been established. In this case, multiple enquiries (including alas, by a BJP govt), "have failed" to establish the original allegations.

That said, we need to be proactive to ensure that we don't sacrifice the life and freedom of little innocent victims on the altar of political correctness. Here is a report from the very sickular Kerala, given by the very sickular Oommen Chandy (a christian I presume), in response to a question by another very sickular MLA (from CPIM)

indiatoday.intoday.in/story/love-jihad-oommen-chandy-islam-kerala-muslim-marriage/1/215942.html

From the article

Among those converted to Islam during 2009-12, as many as 2667 were young women of which 2195 were Hindus and 492 were Christians. As against this number of young women converted during 2009-12 to Christianity and Hinduism were 79 and two respectively.

You claim to be a physicist, and should be familiar with some statistics and probability. Tell me, by which model does this seem probable, unless there is some organized activity. Does it seem plausible that 2667 women converted to Islam while only 2 to Hinduism of their own free wish?

5. To cite the case of a massive prostitution/pimping racket which existed almost in the open in UK as an evidence of "love Jihad"?

Ah your innocent protestations! They say a lot more about your stupidity than you realize.

The case is so much more than just a prostitution racket. There were gangs, almost exclusively from very specific ethnic background; there was widespread fear, and in many cases, an unwritten rule, against identifying the ethnic background for fear of being declared racist, so much so, that victims were allowed to suffer unspeakable horrors, to avoid disturbing social balance; there were community leaders resisting attempts to cleanse the system, and so on. All these things are something we observe every time the issue of love jihad is raised, from political parties, media, and of course liberals like you.

The victims are the least of your concern. Your fellow liberal wants to punish the girls for their stupidity. We are given tutorials on the meaning of jihad (who gives a f**k as to what it means). We shall go by what we see happening around us.

Couple of days back I posted a BBC story about Paki gangs targeting little Sikh girls. They pretended to be Sikhs, and used many of the same tactics alleged here. Just recently a case has come to light of a woman alleging that her husband pretended to be a Hindu, when he had actually converted, and was forcing and torturing her for the same. Doesn't it all seem very similar? Is it all a coincidence? What is the probability of that o physicist?

And lastly, it's weird of you to complain about posting of the links that I did. The similarities are too astounding to be overlooked. By contrast your story about two girls committing suicide, after being followed by some ruffians, while tragic, was less relevant. Sure, the scoundrels should have been roughed up, and probably thrown in jail (though I'm not certain if they actually committed a crime). While I hate to blame the victims, particularly young vulnerable kids, I thought it was a huge over-reaction on their part to take the extreme step. Their trauma was in no way comparable to the sufferings faced by the victims in Britain.

>> 6. Lastly, jews did not eat any christian babies and the church by and large discouraged such tales, but many did believe in that and it made atrocities against jews "justified".

So let little girls suffer.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-35/3
Aug 28, 2014
10:49 AM

@RR - "What are required are confession boxes for babus to make a clean breast of their corrupt practices and misdeeds."

Until you find "Sorry I must confess I used all the previous notes in the box to blackmail the corrupt babus".

K.Suresh, Bangalore
D-34/67
Aug 28, 2014
10:43 AM

For those morons who have been plugging that illiterate Sreenivasan Jain's NDTV program "Truth vs Hype" to refute love jihad, here is a scholarly take down of these propagandists.

http://rupasubramanya.blogspot.in/2014/08/how-ndtvs-claims-about-love-jihad-dont.html


RSM
Delhi, India
D-33/8
Aug 28, 2014
10:37 AM

>>Or some stupid journalist is spreading rumors.

Don't you remember the Rambo story..

Yeah! Yeah! Also how Mahu Kishwar added to that. The "stupid journalist" you mention is another bhakt Tavleen Singh.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-32/7
Aug 28, 2014
10:24 AM

>> Either that is true or the bhakts are spreading rumours to enhance the prestige of Modiji or .. did Modiji not get the "cut"???

Or some stupid journalist is spreading rumors.

Don't you remember the Rambo story, which later TOI apologized for (in the fine print though).

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-31/6
Aug 28, 2014
09:54 AM

A senior minister whose son allegedly took money for transfers and postings has been ordered to return the money  indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/defeat-and-delusions/2/

Either that is true or the bhakts are spreading rumours to enhance the prestige of Modiji or .. did Modiji not get the "cut"???

R. Saroja, Bombay
D-30/35
Aug 28, 2014
09:26 AM

For the geniuses -

1. Susan Brownmiller's study was the first major one on rape. Bangladesh is sxtensively covered there.

2. The black men- White woman rapes, allegations and lynchings are also discussed there.

3. The acknowledgement of fear/hate campaign against black men does not invalidate or downplay rapes on white women by black men.

4. "Love jihad" was supposed to be seduction of hindu women by muslim men to increase their numbers and that money was being pumped in to encourage such seductions. No evidences found in any enquiry.

5. To cite the case of a massive prostitution/pimping racket which existed almost in the open in UK as an evidence of "love Jihad"? 

6. Lastly, jews did not eat any christian babies and the church by and large discouraged such tales, but many did believe in that and it made atrocities against jews "justified".

7. More on "love Jihad", this time by dalits in Tamil Nadu - 

Repeatedly referring to the meeting held here as one of non-Dalit organisations, Dr. Ramadoss, whose support base is drawn from the Vanniyars, identified officially as a Most Backward Class, demanded amendments to prevent the misuse of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, and accused Dalit youth of fomenting social tension by filing false complaints under the law and ensnaring girls from other castes with bogus professions of love.

“They wear jeans, T-shirts and fancy sunglasses to lure girls from other communities,” he told reporters. A resolution adopted at the meeting cited statistics of broken marriages to claim that inter-caste marriages ended in failure because they were unions born out of caste design and not love.

In the company of groups representing various intermediate castes and some Muslim organisations too, the PMK leader said all of them would hold demonstrations across the State on January 4 to press the demand for amending the Act to prevent its misuse against non-Dalits. www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/ramadoss-consolidates-intermediate-caste-groups-against-dalits/article4156999.ece

See also www.firstpost.com/india/dharmapuri-violence-why-tn-could-become-a-hotbed-for-love-jihad-543446.html

And some earlier fights against love jihad

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-29/34
Aug 28, 2014
09:00 AM

>> I wait for the day when our maulanas declare that mixed marriages do not require conversion.

Special marriages Act do not require nor acknowledge anyone's religion. I am just curious - which inheritance laws apply to offsprings of such marriages? Or such cases have never reached any court? Bonita?

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-28/33
Aug 28, 2014
08:55 AM

The fake claim by the Hindu right that there is a “Love Jihad”organisation which is forcing Hindu women to convert to Islam through false expressions of love is similar to a campaign inthe 1920s in north India against alleged “abductions”. Whether 1920 or 2009, Hindu patriarchal notions appear deeply entrenched in such campaigns: images of passive victimised Hindu women at the hands of inscrutable Muslims abound, and any possibility of women exercising their legitimate right to love and their right to choice is ignored. - Charu Gupta in epw in 2009

See also The myth of love jihad

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-27/32
Aug 28, 2014
08:51 AM

Disturbed by the open celebration of violent acts of rape and carnage by some communities in Gujarat in 2002, he began research. Besides the news reports of the attacks, there were CDs of witnesses to these incidents. “There seemed to be public approval of the sexual attacks of 2002,” said Kanwar. “Attacks that were justified, accepted or celebrated by some people. We have unfortunately learnt to live with violence but this kind of celebration was hard to understand or accept.”

Kanwar began putting together news reports from across the country relating to public humiliation and sexual attacks against women. He was shocked by the number of incidents and their spread across geographical and political boundaries.

The narrative is distributed across eight large screens and challenges the viewer with piecing together the various recounting of violence. This creates an immersive experience: the viewer is surrounded by voices, text and visuals and is confronted by a roundly told tale rather than one expedient story told to a passive audience.

Where some images scream their anguish at you, others are silent in reconciliation; some are poignant and poetic while others horribly disturbing. It is perhaps the silences that become most unsettling.  http://scroll.in/article/675264/Amar-Kanwar's-searing-testimonies-attempt-to-recover-submerged-narratives-of-sexual-violence-in-India

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-26/6
Aug 28, 2014
07:35 AM

Good debate .. in the Supreme court. Without any purpose. It is always good to talk about people who are not present and cannot respond.

Rajesh, Phoenix
D-25/1
Aug 28, 2014
06:50 AM

>>  he refused to confirm or deny it and said it was the media's responsibility to find out the autheticity of any video before showing it.

It has been a long time since Indian medid did some work by themselves .. all they know is he said that she said this .. they just need somebody to tell them what to tell.
pradeep
Chennai, India
D-24/22
Aug 28, 2014
05:11 AM

How about "An alternate discription of Gandhi" by Wendy Doniger?

Pramod
Tucson, United States
D-23/5
Aug 28, 2014
04:48 AM

Only Sonia and Rahul and their clan were right and had credibility. They even got away with genocide, massacre, riots and got Bharat Ratnas. And now Rahul goes to Europe every month. No questions asked.

gayatri, madrid
D-22/31
Aug 28, 2014
03:48 AM

>> You were born in the wrong country

You want him also to kill Hindus?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-21/30
Aug 28, 2014
03:47 AM

>> but shameless individuals exist in both communities.

But why do they occur so much more among Muslims?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-20/13
Aug 28, 2014
03:29 AM

Anwaar

Your suggestions are not practical.

When religion was the basis of creating a separate nation state, Pakistan cannot suddenly turn its back to religion. And once you declare yourself as an Islamic state , there is no way you can discard the doctrines of Islam.

As you have said in the past, it is not possible to revise the content of the scriptures. But these scriptures actually provide a lesser role to the minorities. Can you for example, delete the portions of the texts related to Kafirs? Since you cannot,  if a Muslim persecutes or tries to convert Kafirs, how is he un-Islamic in his approach?

Minorities will be persecuted in all Islamic states unless certain parts of the texts are either omitted ( is it possible?) or explained differently ( very difficult to convince ordinary folks that Jehad is a spiritual journey and not aggression over non-believers).

DC
NEW YORK, United States
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