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D-42/4
Jul 26, 2014
08:27 AM

The post means very little in real terms. But Sonia desperately wants this post for the Congress to salvage at least a part of her wounded pride in being very badly mauled and humiliated in the last elctions. That apart, Congress is very unused to a situation where its supremacy and the word of its supremo is NOT meeekly and unquestioningly accepted as Law by all else and whatever it says is considered  as Gospel. Congress is still so arrogant and unashamed  that despite the ADMK, TMC and the BJD refusing even to sit next to it in the House, it is strutting around as if it has 400 seats!   The party can never accept the truth that it has been finally consigned to the dustbin and has lost all credibility.

N.S.Rajan, Bangalore
D-41/2
Jul 26, 2014
07:37 AM

>> Sania is a much better Indian than K Laxman

It is amusing to see that the scoundrels who want to climb on the shoulders of Sania to spread their hate, are completely impervious to the issues of gross injustice, and identity politics brought out by Laxman and other nationalists.

Laxman has highlighted not only the pernicious attitude of the sicko KCR govt, that has done gross injustice to a player like Saina, who is far more accomplished, and actually lives in Hyderabad, but a far more serious issue of the govt blatantly discriminating against the kids.

I guess none of this matters to the jehadis. As long as a Muslim gets "first claim", they are happy. If they can also spread some hate against BJP in the process, it's double bonus for them.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-40/2
Jul 26, 2014
07:30 AM


>> "It is this failure to roundly condemn such an outrage that leads one to question their intentions. Drunk on immunity which successive and different governments have given them in Maharashtra, a generation of Sena leaders have made their career out of anti Muslim hatred."

Anti-Muslim hatred unites the Shiv Sena with the BJP. They can never rise higher than that!
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-39/92
Jul 26, 2014
06:59 AM


ROTTEN COMPANY - What the Shiv Sena tells us about the BJP

MUKUL KESAVAN

When the story broke, the Shiv Sena’s reaction was to flatly deny that such an incident had occurred....The Shiv Sena is what it is, a party that makes a political living out of bigotry and brazenness and violence. The parliamentary ‘debate’ on the incident gave us an insight into how the Bharatiya Janata Party, as the principal party of government, is likely to deal with the thuggery of its Hindutvavadi allies.

Shouldn’t the fact that a gang of allied MPs publicly intimidated and humiliated an employee in a government institution like the Maharashtra Sadan for the benefit of television cameras be enough for the BJP, the principal party of government, to condemn their conduct?

Ramesh Bidhuri is a BJP MP who represents South Delhi. During the zero hour debate in the Lok Sabha, he charged into the well of the House, bent on a confrontation with Asaduddin Owaisi, yelling that “this is Hindustan, not Pakistan”, and allegedly saying other things so vile that he embarrassed his own party members into restraining him.

The fact of the matter is that Bidhuri’s libel — that Muslims are fifth columnists, Pakistanis in mufti —is part of the stock-in-trade of Sangh Parivar politics. Muslim ghettoes in Gujarat are routinely called ‘Pakistan’.

The prime minister, naturally, said nothing.

www.telegraphindia.com/1140725/jsp/opinion/story_18648844.jsp#.U9MAcTwg8qQ











 

Anwaar, Dallas
D-38/26
Jul 26, 2014
05:28 AM

>> The only good about this article is that it is short

Another good thing is, that like most articles in OL, I didn't waste my time reading it.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-37/1
Jul 26, 2014
05:11 AM

"Having made Muslims largely irrelevant to their electoral future, the BJP still has a choice:.."

In a place like India where there is no coherent, unified majority, no one can make Muslims irrelevant. Rather they have made themselves irrelevant by following imams and mullahs like sheep, taking on fake Arab names and aping Arabs, and voting for political parties that pander to them such as the Congress party and TMC.

Join the 21st century and you will be as relevant as any other community. This means rejecting wahabbi excretions, educating your sons and your daughters in real schools instead of sending your sons to madrassas and your daughters to get married at a young age, rejecting violence as a way of solving problems, and focusing on being good Indians first and Muslims next.

And yes, you need to stop making mountains out of molehills. The Sena fellow should be reprimanded for his behaviour regardless of whether the victim was Hindu or Muslim. But in a world where your coreligionists feel free to enslave and rape non-Muslim women (Nigeria, Pakistan), ethnically cleanse non-Muslims (Syria,Iraq, Pakistan, Kashmir) and in general treat non-Muslims like crap without much protest from Muslims like you, you cannot really expect us to get worked up about some fellow who had a roti thrust in his mouth. There are far worse evils being perpetrated in the world and in India in the name of your religion. Go fix them instead of trying to stoke communal fires over a minor matter.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
D-36/31
Jul 26, 2014
04:53 AM

Senor Quixote, Thank you for your candor. I don't know and don't care what your religion or sect or whatever is - you strike me as a honest man, which is more than I can say for the CAIR weasel.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
D-35/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:32 AM

Now the real story comes out.  Why Hindus should not hate such sickular media?  They twist and turn everything around. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-34/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:31 AM

Politics of greed and jealousy

Misogynist, Chennai
D-33/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:28 AM

(To use David Ruskales language )

"The feminists tongue must be chopped off".

Misogynist, Chennai
D-32/6
Jul 26, 2014
04:25 AM

Side effects?  Many Anwaars of Gujarat will go to their own religious schools and enlighten themselves instead of reading Batra's books. 

P.B. Joshipura, Suffolk, Virginia
D-31/9
Jul 26, 2014
04:18 AM

4 D Anwaar

"....especially women...."

Only a certified moron like you, can justify MGM, which is practiced on a much larger scale.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-30/8
Jul 26, 2014
04:12 AM

FGM must be revolted against in the SAME measure as revolting against MGM.

The media is hugely biased in misinforming the public about even the existence of one, while exaggerating the other, for the benefit of undeserved sympathy.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-29/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:10 AM

Azam Khan is not a man of repute. He is not known for his integrity.

george, london
D-28/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:08 AM

Addressing a gathering of the Indian Jewish Association in London, he said that Jews have lived in India over 2,000 years and have never been discriminated against.

"This is something unparalleled in Jewish history."

Whenevr and wherever people have been discriminated or persecuted. they went to India, and Indians sheltered them all. Zorostarians from Iran, christians from Syria, and Armenia, and Jews from many other copuntries found refuge in india. They settled there and prospered. 

The ambassador is right, and we Indians are proud of this.

george, london
D-27/1
Jul 26, 2014
04:03 AM

The lack of toilets is a matter of disgust to BOTH feminists and males. Just as it is to BOTH secus and pseudo secus like VM.

However, VM, the typical male hating journalist that he is, looks with sympathy ONLY towards women.

VM should wake up to reality: At least TEN TIMES as many males are subject to violence, as women are. And hyper reporting crimes only against women ( in this case while using a loo ), is biased and dehumanising males, and provoking further misandry, through false propaganda.

In a society with no justice like India, crimes can, and will, only go up - ESPECIALLY against the much hated male gender. Hyper reporting any crimes against feminists is biased, hateful reporting of the lowest order and unworthy of any illiterate journalist, or even one of VMs eminence

Misogynist
Chennai, India
D-26/13
Jul 26, 2014
03:56 AM

India and Hindu are both corruption of the word Sindhu. If former denotes nationality then the latter also denotes the same. In case if we are not Hindus in religion then we are Sanatan Dharmis, Pagans, Heathens or even Animists. 

For Jews, it is Moses, Christians - Jesus, Muslims -  Muhammad, Buddhists - Buddha, Jains - Mahavira, Siikhs - Guru Nanak..

Indians have religion and nationality intertwined. It is an unchartered territory. If all people of India are Hindus, then Hindu is not a religion. One can call it a way of life but there is no one way as well

Don Quixote, Rody
D-25/7
Jul 26, 2014
03:47 AM

Anwaar, you are right. Bohra Muslims in India do this. These people, otherwise, are rich, and highly educated people. It should be stopped. It is inhuman, and barbaric. Religion should serve man, and it should never be the other way. No human being should be subjugated to unnecessary pain just because of some religious diktat.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/sijo-k-jose/uproar-over-female-genital-mutilation-bohra-muslim-woman-activist-launches-campa/329191643829952

george, london
D-24/6
Jul 26, 2014
03:39 AM

''On the other hand Sunnat-cuting a small foreskin of the male organ is a very important Biological necessity in the Sandy areas. When one passes urine in a sandy area extremely fine particles of sand fly and stick in the inner side of the fore skin if Sunnat is not done. They sand so deposited on the soft skin causes severe itching and subsequently damage to skin if not washed immediately after the urine is passed. Not possible due water shortage . Old wise men hence made Sunnat compulsory.'' Ashok from Mumbai

This confirms my belief that religion was started by men. The rituals depend on the customs and the climate of that place. Arab lands are very hot in the summer. So they wanted to wash their hands and feet before praying as the water makes them cool and comfortable. They are in short of water. Hence they made it a rule for both men and women to shave their pubic hair as sweat wouild make that place smelly and also uncomfortable. But people in other places , where there is no shortage of water, and there is no desert, took those practices as a must because they believed those rituals are part of Islam. It is not. What is OK in hot climate is not essential in cold countries, or where there are plenty of water. 

george, london
D-23/5
Jul 26, 2014
03:32 AM

A large number of girls, in thousands, do FGM every year in UK. The parents take the girls to their home countries in the pretext of holidays , and then they do that. UK parl;iament has passed a bill saying they will hold the parents responsible for this crime. Mostly Somalis, and African Muslims do this ritual on their daughters. And in the process, Islam gets a bad name. Sad. It is a cultural ritual. It has nothing to do with religion.

george, london
D-22/12
Jul 26, 2014
03:27 AM

All the people living in India are converts few generations back. their forefathers were all Hindus. That is what the Goa minister meant when he said he is a christian hindu. 

george, london
D-21/30
Jul 26, 2014
03:05 AM

 In addition, i think it is now a Jew/ Muslim conflict than an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. Hamas bases it charter on islamic ideals of Jihad. It was different some years back when it was a Israeli / Palestinian conflict. Sirhan/ Sirhan  was afterall, a christian by religion.

A Jew- Muslim conflict helps both the sides in their own ways. 

Don Quixote
Rody, India
D-20/29
Jul 26, 2014
02:58 AM

 @Anwaar 

"Romans were the supreme, though alien, rulers in Palestine so such a command would seem natural"

Whatever be the circumstances, Christianity clearly asks for a separation between church and state while Islam doesn't. We can't edit anything now. 

"In Arabia, there was no concept of state in the seventh century. "

States and nationalism is an ever present phenomena. Caliphate is a Muslim nation. 

"The two principles that were emphasized in Islam as far as governance is concerned are "consultation" and "consensus"."

This is the reason of the schism. Ali's followers claimed that consulation was among a few and so was the consensus, This is the reason that they reject Abu Bakr and even the rest two as caliphs.

"Moreover, what the Muslims often forget, the Christian and Jewish Bibles are holy books for Muslims too."

Muslims argue that Quran is the final word of God. I think if Muslims start following Torah and new testament, they will not remain muslims, Anyway, in Islam, the leader after prophet is a caliph who is the head of spiritual and temporal domains. 

My point is that Muslims, till they remain Muslims can never accept democracy and liberalism.

"These are not the essence of Islam. Fiqh and rituals even among various Sunni sects and Shia sects can different"

The same could be said about Protestant/ Catholic dispute and 30 years war. However, the war was as religious as it could get. The end of the war started the complete separation of church and state. As Mark 12:17 is part of christianity, the separation was easier after peace of westaphilia  but in islam, the end of caliphate in Turkey didn't create a separation of mosque and state. In fact, except Turkey, no Muslims state in Arab/ Persian and Turkish world has accepted democracy with open arms. 

To claim that the Shia Sunni battle is not a religious one, well, it is true to some extent. However, the better word would be sectarian. Since all the abrahamic religions believe in the same god, it does make Jew/ Palestinian conflict sectarian too. Nevertheless, you can call it religious or sectarian as you may chose , it can never be about land only.

Don Quixote
Rody, India
D-19/5
Jul 26, 2014
02:09 AM

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I have no time for such full of themselves deeply prejudiced and condescending "journalists".

Pradip Singh, STAFFORD
D-18/28
Jul 26, 2014
01:55 AM

> In the 1,300 years that Islam has graced this earth, have Muslims ever waged a religious war on another community? Ram Lala

>> Name one and I shall try to find an answer. CAIR weasel

This is worth noting - the CAIR weasel cannot think of a single religious war that Muslims have waged on another community.

It is very comforting to know that when the CAIR weasel's jihadi comrades destroyed Hindu, Buddhist and Jain temples all over India (the Somnath temple no fewer than 6 times), built mosques on top of the rubble, and put uncounted numbers of "idolaters and infidels" to the sword in India over the past 1,300 years, there was nothing religious about their bestial hate - it was just a political disagreement! You say "tomato", I say "tomaato".

>>Is there a single atrocity or barbarism committed by Muslims in the past 1,300 years that can be blamed on Islam? Ram Lala

>They can be blamed on the perpetrators just as all atrocities and barbarisms should be.

So the genocidal hatred unleashed by Nazis during WW II should be blamed only on individual Nazis - it would be unfair to blame this on the poisonous ideology of Nazism and the Jew hatred in their holy text, Mein Kampf?

Why then do you fulminate against "Hindutva" and the RSS on this form? The logic of your moronic argument should compel you to say that while individual Hindus can be blamed for attacking Muslims, Hindutva and the RSS cannot be blamed.

Or do you believe there is one set of rules for Islam and Muslims, and another set of rules for kaffirs?

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
D-17/5
Jul 26, 2014
01:37 AM

4 D George,

But actually, the pus*y whipped ba**** deserves to spend his retirement in jail for allowing corruption to flourish and thrive.

The Indian judiciary is a FARCE, and people like Maun Mute Singh are directly responsible for making it that way.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-16/5
Jul 26, 2014
01:36 AM

We need to stop acting like Pakistanis. Regardless of whom she married, Sania is as much an Indian as Modi or the Shankaracharya of Puri.

Do us proud as ambassador, Sania, as you have done in the past in sports.

Ram Lala, Kavutaram
D-15/11
Jul 26, 2014
01:03 AM

Haha!

Soon, the Hindus will be fooled into thinking that christians are actually Hindus! With a lot of medieval religionist conversions going on, soon christian and Hindu will become indistingushable.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-14/4
Jul 26, 2014
01:03 AM

Batra is preferable any day to the army of Hindu haters masquerading as academics.

Pradip Singh, STAFFORD
D-13/27
Jul 26, 2014
01:01 AM

D.L.Narayan,

Please see #23 and #26.

 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-12/5
Jul 26, 2014
01:00 AM

2 D

If it were a GIRL, then the media would have praised the girl ( and even feminism and womenhood in general ) to the skies.

But since it was a BOY, he is guilty ( as usual )!

Even any credit due to him indirectly, goes to his convent school, but certainly he is not deserving, somehow (of course, we know this is because he belongs to the sh*tty gender!

Typical anti male reporting.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-11/5
Jul 26, 2014
01:00 AM

2 D

If it were a GIRL, then the media would have praised the girl ( and even feminism and womenhood in general ) to the skies.

But since it was a BOY, he is guilty ( as usual )!

Even any credit due to him indirectly, goes to his convent school, but certainly he is not deserving, somehow (of course, we know this is because he belongs to the sh*tty gender!

Typical anti male reporting.

Misogynist, Chennai
D-10/26
Jul 26, 2014
12:57 AM

 
Don Quixote,

>> In Christianity, there is a Jesus' command - “Render unto Caesar what are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's” (Mark 12:17). No such verse or even closer is existent in Islam.

Romans were the supreme, though alien, rulers in Palestine so such a command would seem natural. In Arabia, there was no concept of state in the seventh century. The two principles that were emphasized in Islam as far as governance is concerned are "consultation" and "consensus". Moreover, what the Muslims often forget, the Christian and Jewish Bibles are holy books for Muslims too.

>> they are different in matters of fiqh and rituals.

These are not the essence of Islam. Fiqh and rituals even among various Sunni sects and Shia sects can differ.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-9/25
Jul 26, 2014
12:52 AM

"You had no answer to my simple comment that the Shia-Sunni conflict is not a religious conflict. "

In Islamic societies, religion is supreme and politics is the handmaiden of religion. The two are inextricably intertwined.

The Shia-Sunni schism is well documented. After the Prophet died, there was a power struggle between the companions and the descendents (Ahl-ul-Bayt) which resulted in the great divide. 

What started as a power struggle culminated in the division into two main sects, the Sunnis, the followers of elected caliphs and Shias, the followers of Ali, the prophet's cousin and son-in-law, and his sons. The two sects have a lot of overlap in their religious beliefs but there are serious theological differences too, like the Shia reverence for the Imams, which is rejected by Sunnis. Some of the hadeeths accepted by Sunnis are rejected by Shias and vice versa.

A highly educated and knowledgeable Shia told me that after the prophet, there was not much theological work done by the Sunnis but the Iranians had a better tradition of scholarship than the Arabs. He claimed that most of the theological work was done by them and their interpretation was less fundamentalist than the Sunnis because of the importance given to ijtihad or reasoning for interpreting the scriptures.

Today the animosities run deep and can be seen in not only in Bahrain and Iraq but also in Pakistan where a militant group called Laskar e Jhangvi has the sole mission of completely wiping out the Shia minority.

Political differences can be resolved. When the differences are of a religious nature, they become intractable and irreconciliable.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-8/24
Jul 26, 2014
12:36 AM

@ Anwaar

In Christianity, there is a Jesus' command - “Render unto Caesar what are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's” (Mark 12:17). No such verse or even closer is existent in Islam. Prof. Huntington ( I know your distate for the man) had this to say on this topic
 

Throughout Western history first the Church and then many churches existed apart from the
state. God
and Caesar, church and state, spiritual authority and temporal authority, have been a prevailing
dualism in
Western culture. Only in Hindu civilization were religion and politics also so distinctly separated.
In Islam,
God is Caesar; in China and Japan, Caesar is God; in Orthodoxy, God is Caesar’s junior partner.

 
This at best explains why democracy has in general failed in Islam and China. Japan is a different case as one of the ww2 surrender treaty forced Japanese emperor to renounce his divinity. Orthodoxy after the rule of communism and growing atheism has become weaker and this is why sham democracies are there in most of the orthodox dominated nations. If Islam has to accept democracy, the people have to become lesser religious and more atheistic. It doesn't look to happen in forseeable future. 
 
 
<<How can it be religious when there is no religious disagreement and both Sunni and Shia clerics insist that the issue is political only.>>
 
The political schism in Islam now has religious overtones. I agree that both shias and sunnis follow the 5 pillars of Islam, however, they are different in matters of fiqh and rituals. The self flaggelation, the temporary marriage, the denunciation of 3 rightly guided caliphs, different mosques etc. all these have turned shias and sunnis into two distinct religious groups coming out from same religion. On a wider note, D L Narayan's point that all semitic religions are similar holds true. However, the differences between Shias and Sunnis was best exemplified in Iraq where ISIS members would look into names, ask people how they pray and ask basic question of Sunni  Islam to find out the Shias. 
 
 
 
 
 
Don Quixote
Rody, India
D-7/4
Jul 26, 2014
12:33 AM


As if it matters to Clinton!
 

Anwaar, Dallas
D-6/10
Jul 26, 2014
12:28 AM


George,

>> "Anwaar and Zakir Naik"

Only a malicious maligner or an idiot would put my name with that name. 
 

Anwaar, Dallas
D-5/14
Jul 26, 2014
12:12 AM


Mohan,

>> "Nadvi has written a long and passionate letter (in Arabic!) to the Saudi government offering to raise a militia of 500,000 Sunni Muslim Indian youth as his contribution to a "powerful global Islamic army"."

Nadvi may have violated several Indian laws. He should be prosecuted and put in prison. Or, better still, in a mental hospital.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-4/1
Jul 26, 2014
12:10 AM

"It was on the issue of inflation and corruption on which this government came to power...It is their responsibility to control prices", Gandhi told reporters here.....

Subramaniam Swamy has started the proceedings. He is taking Rahul gandhi to court. BJP has started war against corruption, but more so against the Gandhi family. If BJP can destroy the dynasty, rest assured , there will be no Congress for another fifty years. 

As far as the price rise, well it was happening in the last ten years and congis did nothing. BJP has started some steps and let us wait and see.

george, london
D-3/3
Jul 26, 2014
12:06 AM

I feel sorry for Anwaar. A party must have on its own ten percent of the seats. Pappu does not have that. End of story. And anyway, this man knows nothing. What will he talk? And for her mum, unless someone writes the speech for her, she is clueless. This mum and son duo are only interested how to be richer whatever means it takes. They are the last person to worry about india and its millions. 

george, london
D-2/23
Jul 26, 2014
12:01 AM

 
Don Quixote,

>> " In Islam, there is no dualism".

That was the way Islam was interpreted, with both the ruler and the mullah being complicit for their selfish reasons. Separation of state and religion is as possible in Islam as it was in Christianity, but it won't be easy at this stage.

>> "The succession of Muhammad would look more political than religious affair but it is as religious as political."

How can it be religious when there is no religious disagreement and both Sunni and Shia clerics insist that the issue is political only.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-1/4
Jul 26, 2014
12:01 AM

The ex PM had given us enough trouble. Let him retire and spend time with his grand children. An honest man who has turned greedy for the chair so much so that he looked at the other way at every corruption scandal.

george, london
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