>>This is a singularly graceless post in view of my post #20/D-24 which preceded it. Typical of Modibadis.

You spoke of high weightage of Gujarat in India’s GDP because of it was amongst the most industrialized. In that context, read my question again.

>>The contribution of agriculture in India's GDP is 28 %, if you do0n't know.

I wish you read posts before responding.

>>Until a few years back CESC was predominantly a distribution company & it own current generation capacity do not meet the base load in it area. So CESC selling power is fanciful.

It takes real courage to assert something without factual back-up. CESC could always meet base load; it was unable to meet peak load. Open CESC’s annual report and go and ask a CESC official what the entry ‘power export units’ in it actually means.

>>You think that's clever? The adjective was for Enron not for trading, O.K ?

And that adjective crept in in the current context purely inadvertently?

>>Nothing , nothing at all except that history tends to repeat itself.

What history is that? Notorious Enron history??

>>You tell me.

Ah! Those notorious corporates, devising the ‘power trading concept’ selling to the highest bidder and the buyer further selling it at a ‘margin’. Now I have to tell you the margin?

>>At least the BJP's top brass was cock-sure & did not have any illusions, reason they did not ask Modi to campagn in UP, Punjab, HP & Manipur.

Do you always share BJP’s top brasses’ opinion or do you do it as per convenience? Modi chose not to campaign on the issue of induction of Sanjay Joshi. Nice to see the spin though.

>>The sigma lies elsewhere not with people of Gujarat in general.

Good, you just refuted your own point.

>>These are 2011 figures. I did not manufacture these stats. They are from Institute of Applied Manpower Research, Plannig Commission.

Again, read the post before responding. I DID NOT question the stats!

>>And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal.
>>There you are in your elements, what you are good at. So why you were racking your head with GDP , power trading & things like that, my dear fellow ?

I know you can’t help your urge for a brisk response but the first step is to read the original post and next to see who posted it.
 

>>> Advani called Jinnah secular, what should Modi say. hmm.

Advani never called Jinnah a secular person. He only mentioned that "The speech made by Jinnah on the first day of the very first assembly session of Pakistan was a good example of Secular approach. Had Pakistan followed those secular principles mentioned in the speech, Pakistan would have been a far better state."

This is exactly what he said in 2005 when he visited Pakistan. He never said that Jinnah was secular. He praised Jinnah's speech, he did not praise Jinnah nor he honoured Jinnah with secularism tag.

However, media deliberately twisted his statement and published that Advani called Jinnah secular.

 Advani called Jinnah secular, what should Modi say. hmm.

Hafeez Sayid is a genuine freedom fighter?

Nominates Teesta Setalvad for Bharat Ratna?

Nominates Zakia for Gujarat governor?

What atrocious can Modi do to become a secular guy? May be visit the Ajmer Dargah, asks for repentance and donates more than Zardari. It won't help. 

Advani was the biggest failure of Indian politics in last 20 years along with Sharad Pawar, Arjun Singh, Jyoti Basu et al. He was always at a kissing distance from the most coveted post in country. Modi has to do the undoable in his own way. Get 271 seats and you're the prime minister. Improbable if not impossible. 

Jaykumar,

>>>> "I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi."
>> Same logic how Muslim vote for MIM, Muslim League....

Both are equally bad for India.

"I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi."

Same logic how Muslim vote for MIM, Muslim League, Christian vote for Kerala Chiristian Congress ....Same logic is Applicable for Harijan's voting for BSP..........

 Zafar >> Babloo Miyan, each of these would have a different amount of calories/100 grams. Hence we would experience them as very differently filling.

So HDI is all about what we eat? Wonderful arguments.. So Bengal has better HDI than Gujarat means it is about eating Rosgullas and Hilsa being superior (HDI wise) than eating icecreams and Khichdi?

Gandhiji would  be rolling in his grave to see how an entire perverted generation of leftist intellectuals have defined human development in terms of gluttony. No wonder Outlotok hates Modi. It is all about food - the khichdi eater is inferior to the hilsa eater !

 I find it amusing for lot of people telling that Bengal has a better HDI than Gujarat. How exactly friends?

Maybe if you define HDI by strikes, lockouts, inability to work hard, inefficient governance and a feudal class system where a parasitc government employee class puts its self interest over the unorganized private sector employed, then Bengal is high in HDI.

Not saying here that Gujarat has best HDI in India. One must not forget that Gujarat was ruled by decades of ultracorrupt and useless Congress CMs from 1947 to 1995 and Modi era,however great is just in it is 11thyear...

In contrast Waste Bengal has had 35 years of iron clad Marxist rule and it should be the most literate,healthy state in India with zero child labour and malnutrition. Is it?

The fact is West Bengal is ahead of just 3 other big states in HDI - UP,Bihar and MP . So much for a state which had its first modern educational institutions 130  years back and so much for a state which was most industrially advanced region in entire Asia post WW2. So much for a state which got its first railway lines in Asia, so much for a state which was a industrial power house of Asia in 1950s..

West Bengal's HDI acheivements is like the weapons of mass destruction that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was alleged to have. A lie, told a million times is still a lie.Maybe the marxist bengalis think that HDI is about knowning the glories of Marx, Stalin and Mao. If HDI d to knowing about lunatic ideologoes, mass murderers and their methods, then USA should be the most poorly developed nation in the world !!

Rohit Desai >> Isn't it too early to consider Modi's acceptability for 2014 elections? Modi should first win the assembly elections in Gujarat later this year.

Yes Modi will lose 2012 elections. he will be subsequenty jailed (and hanged) by the Congress govt under leadership of Wagela (or ahmed patel). Pigs will fly. Congress gets 280 seats in 2014 elections and Rahul Gandhi becomes the Prime minister. India is a super power in 2019 and becomes truly secular after banning hindu religion and destroying the many thousand hindu temples in india.And BJP is banned too. UPA rules for eternity.  And anyone who disagrees with these predictions should be a deadly hindu fundamentalist who must die for sake of Indian secularism. Huh !

 Zafar >> Inshallah the age of numeracy will also dawn soon. (Modi ascended to the throne in 2001.)

Let us revisit the topic in 2043 ; assuming Modi and his successors continue to rule gujarat till then. 

BTW who is Mr Inshallah ? 

>>> Second, 6th December and its bloody aftermath were a series of events and it was hard to link them to a single person. Modi, on the other, was the face of India's first televised riots.

Has any court found even the slightest evidence against Modi about his involvement in 2002 riots? If not, then why are you making avove baseless statements?

Hari,

>>  hard-core Hindutva is alien enough to the liberal Hindu.

I agree. Hindutva is also alien to the true Hindu.

<<<< I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi.

I doubt it, hard-core Hindutva is alien enough to the liberal Hindu ( most of whom may support the BJP for reasons other than religion),then how could a Muslim claim to know the rationale behind the ultra - conservative Hindutva voter. Whatever your claim in this context is, is nothing more than mere supposition & generalisation.

 Peace Babloo. (But please, speak gently about bajra from now on, it doesn't deserve bad words.)

BJP would have come back to power with minimum 275 seats in 2004, had BJP commenced construction of RAM MANDIR at AYODYA. Some of the parties like TMC, BJD, TD, DMK etc etc  would have walked out of NDA the day MANDIR construction commence and Vajpayee Govt would have lost majority in the Parliament. But majority of HINDUS would have overwhelhmingly voted for BJP giving BJP a minimum  of 275 seats in Parliament in the next election. Had BJP ensured  shifting of MOSQUE from Krishn Janam Stan- Mathura and Gyan Vapi mosque from near Kashi Vishwanath Mandir, Varanasi, BJP would have remained in power in India for 25 years.

 Inspite of all SECULAR EFFORTS of BJP and Mr Vajpayee - TMC, BJD, TD, DMK etc etc all have walked out of NDA.  If BJP hopes to come back to power, BJP has  to  get more HINDU VOTES. Accept it - MINORITIES will NEVER EVER vote for BJP, whatever BJP does. . 

@ Zafar >> "Babloo Miyan..."

Thank you Zafar bhai. We can stop the argument here.

[Is this all nit-picking that you can come up with?]

Hey - you are the one making strange claims about the relative caloric value of bajra and wheat and what you opine this might mean wrt caloric intake in Gujarat.  I just pointed out that your argument was based on a (n easily checkable, so lazy!) falsehood.  Now why are you getting cross with me?

[You mean to say that 100 gm of Bajra, Wheat flour, apple, lettuce leaves and rasgulla are all equally filling?]

Babloo Miyan, each of these would have a different amount of calories/100 grams.  Hence we would experience them as very differently filling.

[Or, do you mean to say that one must have 72 bowls of lettuce leaves (5 cals per bowl) to match 100 gm Bajra intake?]

If you want to match the calories (with no reference to anything else, not least volume) then obviously.

[But, calories intake is considered as the most reliable measure worldwide. Having said that, it is true that Gujarat needs further improvements in HDI. My point was that there is a context to it.]

Their eating bajra in Gujarat has absolutely nothng to do with it - your claim makes no sense.

[Anyway, Bengal having better HDI (which is true) does not make it a better place than Gujarat.]

Only if you're a human in need of development

[Being anti-Modi is fine. ]

I'm just standing up for bajra and truth in advertising.  You're the one who is making bizarre (and false) claims about different cereals in order to justify low HDI in Gujarat.

Regards

Correction :   #33/D-105. Please read ...in view of my post #20/D-124 & not #20/D-24.

Since you recently confused between %age share and %age growth, I won’t be surprised if you made the above weightage assertion without finding out share of industrial output in our GDP.

This is a singularly graceless post in view of my post #20/D-24 which preceded it. Typical of Modibadis.

The contribution of agriculture in India's GDP is 28 %, if you do0n't know.

CESC is free to sell off-peak power to whomsoever it chooses at a non-regulated rate.

Until a few years back CESC was predominantly a distribution company & it own current generation  capacity do not meet the base load in it area. So CESC selling power is fanciful.

What’s so notorious about power trading?

You think that's clever? The adjective was for Enron not for trading, O.K ?

And your problem here is….???

Nothing , nothing at all except that history tends to repeat itself.

Did you bother to find out what that margin is??

You tell me.

I never understood how our commentators are so cocksure about pan-India opinions and illusions.

At least the BJP's top brass was cock-sure & did not have any illusions, reason they did not ask Modi to campagn in UP, Punjab, HP & Manipur.

So in 2002 and 2007 voting for him meant that they had to bear the stigma of 2002?

The sigma lies elsewhere not with people of Gujarat in general. And don't mix up with votes. Mulyam won UP & promptly proceeded to install 8 persons with serious criminal records asMinisters.

Because of the statistics you provided? Did these stats get worse since 2002 and 2007? If not, then your conclusion is just wishful thinking.

These are 2011 figures. I did not manufacture these stats. They are from Institute of Applied  Manpower Research, Plannig Commission.

And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal.

There you are in your elements, what you are good at. So why you were racking your head with GDP , power trading & things like that, my dear fellow ?

@ Zafar >> "Yes – but why? Could it be that bajra has more, rather than less calories than wheat flour? Bajra 360, Wheat flour 341."

Is this all nit-picking that you can come up with? You mean to say that 100 gm of Bajra, Wheat flour, apple, lettuce leaves and rasgulla are all equally filling? Or, do you mean to say that one must have 72 bowls of lettuce leaves (5 cals per bowl) to match 100 gm Bajra intake? FYI, calories are further broken into carbs, fats and proteins. And there is more in food than just calories.

But, calories intake is considered as the most reliable measure worldwide. Having said that, it is true that Gujarat needs further improvements in HDI. My point was that there is a context to it. Anyway, Bengal having better HDI (which is true) does not make it a better place than Gujarat.

Being anti-Modi is fine. But, if you start nit-picking with bogus arguments when you cannot fault with his administrative record, it results in only you losing your credibility. 

[The Congress and its corrupt, incompetent and inhuman leaders ruled the state for long years from 1947 till 1995. Modi era is hotly discussed but the plain fact is it is barely 10 years since modi age dawned in Gujarat.]

Inshallah the age of numeracy will also dawn soon. (Modi ascended to the throne in 2001.)

 Manish Banerjee >> Modi's support base in Gujarat itself is wearing thin. Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi. The net-crowd notwithstanding , common Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 - 2003 nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point

Manish Banerjee, a sincere suggestion. Kindly dont use the Outlook forums to expose your complete lack of comprehension, lack of commensence and your absurd ignorance.

Gujarat is not a high HDI state and not even Modi denies that. But who is responsible. It is 65 years since independence and who ruled the state for much of the period since Brits left? The Congress and its corrupt, incompetent and inhuman leaders ruled the state for long years from 1947 till 1995. Modi era is hotly discussed but the plain fact is it is barely 10 years since modi age dawned in Gujarat.

And it is brutal truth that the best years in terms of HDI attainment in Gujarat has been the Modi era. There has been dramatic improvements in terms of literacy, in terms of falling malnutrition, female infanticide etc in last 10 years. Gujarat was earlier a typical BIMARU state in HDI, now it is more at par with middle level states. 

And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal. Bengal is today a monstrous disaster in terms of HDI. No amount of number fudging by you leftist comrades and JNU bengali sympathisers can hide the basic fact- west bengal stands low on every measure of HDI. Malnutrition, poor literacy esp among Dalit and Minorities, low health indicators, huge deprivation and massive unemployment is what West Bengal is about. The only good thing about West bengal is that there are two states that are worse than WB but that will be only for some time, Nitish is doing a lot to transform Bihar.

So maybe it is time to give a hard look at the 35 year golden era of marx in West Bengal first. 35 years is a period long enough and West Bengal has simply failed to improve itself in critical HDI indicators. Given this, the state and its poisonous leftist intellectuals should first shut their mouths before commenting about other states.

>>Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi.

I never understood how our commentators are so cocksure about pan-India opinions and illusions.

>>Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 – 2003

So in 2002 and 2007 voting for him meant that they had to bear the stigma of 2002?

>> nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 , ). It almost certain that in the next state elections Modi will be returned with pronouced reduction of majority.

Because of the statistics you provided? Did these stats get worse since 2002 and 2007? If not, then your conclusion is just wishful thinking.
 

>>To put Gujarat's GDP @ 10 to 12 % is purely speculative & possibly wishful thinking, considering that its weightage on national average must quite high because it is one of the most industrialised states.

Since you recently confused between %age share and %age growth, I won’t be surprised if you made the above weightage assertion without finding out share of industrial output in our GDP.

>>For example Reliance in Delhi or CESC in Calcutta is not free to sell power @ rates they like or to whomever they chooses.

CESC is free to sell off-peak power to whomsoever it chooses at a non-regulated rate.

>>The notorious Enron Company in the US deviced the power trading concept.

What’s so notorious about power trading?

>>Here in India now some private generating companies are free to sell power @ market determined prices to the highest bidder under certain conditions.

And your problem here is….???

>>The buyer on his part may sell the power so purchased at a margin.

Did you bother to find out what that margin is??
 

>>Wrong! He lost because of Modi.

Scavengers continue to peddle their fantasies as fact.

Jaykumar,

>> You don't vote for BJP, so you may not be the right person who can undersatnd what a Hindu voters want from there leaders..

I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi.

"Wrong! He lost because of Modi"

You don't vote for BJP, so you may not be the right person who can undersatnd what a Hindu voters want from there leaders..

Vajpayee would have won 2004 , if would have not asked Modi to follow RajDharma, why because Gujarati's followed RajDharma only by going for riots to defend themsevles from  getting buthchered like train buring, burning people alive (Incident which happened much before train burning in Godhra, this Jollawallahs forget that to highlight this incident why?)which might have endangered there lives like KP.....Vajpayee should have stood by Hindus anger and he didn't did that, which he made a big mistake...

Narendar Modi has been battling demons unleashed by the Electronic Media in cahoots with the "Liberal " Establishment which has a cosy relationship with the Congress party. The Congress party organised the biggest massacre in the history of Independent India when congressmen killed 15,000 Sikhs on the streets of New DFelhi when Rajiv Gandhi was the Prime Minister. He famously justified by saying the ground shakes when a big tree falls.  The Crimes of 1984 were hushed up, while Narendar Modi has repeatedly been proven innocent by the process of judicial accountability. WHY DO THE LIBDERALS MAINTAIN DOUBLE STANDARDS?

MODI can do an ADVANI if BJP accepts the basic fact that "minorities will NEVER EVER VOTE for BJP" irrespective of what ever BJP does. So BJP must "appease the HINDU VOTERS" like the other parties are "appeasing the MINORITY VOTE BANK". BJP can win only if "MORE HINDUS" vote for them. Even in the RTE ACT, Supreme Court has kept the "minority institutions" out- so all the top Christian Private Schools of India are out while all Hindu Private Schools are in RTE. Similar PREFERENTIAL SECULARISM (there are many more) is what BJP needs to challenge and change for Hindus to vote for them.   

[Calorie intake for some states like Gujarat and Rajasthan will always be low because their staple diet includes crops like bajra, tindsi etc. But, even one bajra roti is more filling than six chapattis.]

Yes – but why? Could it be that bajra has more, rather than less calories than wheat flour?

http://www.iloveindia.com/nutrition/food-facts/calories-in-indian-food.html

Calories in Cereals per 100 Grams

Calories in Bajra 360
Calories in Maize flour 355
Calories in Rice 325
Calories in Wheat flour 341
 

Jayakumar,

>> Vajpayee didnt come back to power is because he tried to become secular.

Wrong! He lost because of Modi.

 16 % is the contribution of agriculture to GDP , not rate of growth agriculture. I regret this howler crept in to my post in a moment of inadvertance. Strong comments I made in  my post #10-D/79 out of this momentary lapse is also regretfully unwarranted. My sincere apology specially to Navita Goel .

I satnd by all other data & comments I posted in my 6/D-57 & # 10/D-79 in this thread. 

There is a question about unregulated trading generation. Power tariff is fixed by state tarrif boards based on broad guidelies formulated by the central tariif commission. For example Reliance in Delhi or CESC in Calcutta is not free to sell power @ rates they like or to whomever they chooses.

The notorious Enron Company in the US deviced the power trading concept. Here in India now some private generating companies are free to sell power @ market determined prices to the highest bidder  under certain conditions.The buyer on his part may sell the power so purchased at a margin. 

 a desperate mind(manish)  working under a frustrated mind(vinod) and the result is another mindless, baseless article... u see mr editor, people(even muslims) dont bother to go thru ur perennial(10 years) modi bashing articles

One more Modi bashing article that qualified to get ink in OUTLOOK megazine.  One more article in which the author invents statistic to suit his point of view.  National agreecultural growth at 16 per cent?  And that even unforgivingly low in the eyes of this author?  Get real.  You can't impress readers with a Mumbo-Jumbo like "Unregulated Trading Generation" !  If anything, as country ages, regulation goes up not down, a very few, if any, regulation already in place, are removed.  May be the author meant to say, "Trading Regulation Ignoring corrupt Generation".

Feroze Gandhi was actually Feroze Ghandy.Nehru cleverly changed Ghandy to Gandhi to fool the people at large.Now,one more change is required to aptly project Rahul Gandhi for what he is,by calling him Rahul Gadha,Sanskrit word for donkey.Incidentally has Rahul Gandhi ever critisised Rajiv Gandhi for his role in Sikh massacre?

@Jaykumar >> "Advani lost due to his love for Jinnah..Hindus rifted away from him by not voting for BJP..."

If BJP lost such Hindu votes, it is good for BJP and everyone else.

Jaykumar >> "Country waited for Hindu face they got but leaders failed to prove."

After Vajpayee ji, the country has been waiting for a statesman who can take the country forward at fast pace. Narendra Modi seems to be the best choice today. This has nothing to do with Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isaai.

Vajpayee didnt come back to power is because he tried to become secular by increasing Haj Quota and so on but he missed the train of taking Hindus along with him the vote which made him PM..Advani lost due to his love for Jinnah..Hindus rifted away from him by not voting for BJP...

Country waited for Hindu face they got but leaders failed to prove..Now Modi's best part is that he stood by Hindus anger that he has not aplogised for riots...If he does U Turn then he too will be out of Politics and I think he has learnt from his mentor's mistake that he dont want to commit it...

Now coming to suclarism see what Secular constituency people did in Ode the Strong Hold of Congress in Anand District is we all know it, so congress....So Secular is like Washing Powder it gets washed along with dirt and Water and finally goes to drainage system.......

Manish,

Even your statistics on agricultural growth was also a fudge (see my prev post), like all the secular propaganda. LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE. That makes you look good. Propagandas, falsehoods and half-truths may dent the adversary for some time, but it completely erodes the credibility of the person. 

Till a few years ago, Gujarat was an arid zone. It is so even today, but there has been significant improvements in the past years. Even in cotton, Gujarat has outpaced maharashtra, the traditional cotton stronghold.

Manish >> "The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low."

As per Pranab Mukherjee's Economic Outlook Report for 2011-12, the projected growth is 3%. It grew at 6.6% in 2010-11. Never in the history of independent India, did we touch that growth number at the country level.

>>>>> Gujarat's agricutural growth rate inddeed is 10 % plus, mainly drivren by Bt. Cotton cultivation which is now staganting. This in itself is thought to be mixed blessing by cultivators. But to say that national average in agricultural growth is 2 to 3 % is headstrong partisanship or totally uninformed. The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low.

16% ? why call it bad then?

>>But this capacity addition is unregulated trading generation & therefore again a mixed blessing

That unregulated trading generation (whatever that means) looks like a mixed blessings to you is not that big a problem, given your deep rooted faith in economy of allotment based deprivation. 

But care to explain what is "Unregulated trading generation" in Indian context?

 Manish >> "Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 , )"

You are comparing Gujarat with Bengal? Few months back, we had daily reports of child dying in WB and the CM refused to even acknowledge those deaths.

For the hunger indices, you must know that food intake is measured in calories. Calorie intake for some states like Gujarat and Rajasthan will always be low because their staple diet includes crops like bajra, tindsi etc. But, even one bajra roti is more filling than six chapattis. But, overall, it is true that WB has less poor-rich divide than Gujarat. 

Please remember that Left government did a fantastic work in the human development areas. Both Kerala and WB (Left ruled) have good HDI numbers. Obviously, they have done better in this area than other parties.

1. that a state agriculture growth for continuous period of 10 years ( 2000 to 2011) is near 12% in spite of one year of draught in this period , where’s national figure is about 2% to 3% for same period;

Gujarat's agricutural growth rate inddeed is 10 % plus, mainly drivren by Bt. Cotton cultivation which is now staganting. This in itself is thought to be mixed blessing by cultivators. But to say that national average in agricultural growth is 2 to 3 % is headstrong partisanship or totally uninformed. The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low.

2. GDP growth for same continuous period is also about 10 to 12 % , much higher than national figure;

Gujarat's GDP growth rate has always been higher by about 100 basis point over the natioanal average. India attained about 8.9% GDP growth at the peak of its economic growth. So did Gujarat at about 10 %. There is no authentic data on current SGDP including that of Gujarat. Current national growth rate is 6.9 %. To put Gujarat's GDP @ 10 to 12 % is purely speculative & possibly wishful thinking, considering that its weightage on national average must quite high because it is one of the most industrialised states. The IIP data released today puts month to month IIP @ 4.1%. Gujrat must have heavily contributed to this abysmally low IIP.

3. 24 hour of domestic electricity and 8 hour continuous electricity to agriculture in almost 99% of 18000 villages and even than financial health of state electricity board is far better , this far dreamy in rest of rural India;

To give credit where it is due Gujarat is power surplus state largely due to Modi's policy. And due to a particular private house investing heavily on power. But this capacity addition is unregulated trading generation & therefore again a mixed blessing. Rural electrification is very high in Gujarat compared to natioanl average.

4. There is no communal riots after 2002 but condition was very worse in Gujarat

Good point & small mercy.

This learned columnist hav ebrought a Naive Rahul Gandhi in to the picture.. Rahul ganhdi in every electionb exposed himself.If Congress dares to filed Rahul Gandhi as PM Candidate. then it will be the end of the Congress. That is what is what people want to see. Even seeing the debacles in UP (2002) Gujarat,Bihar and Tamilnadfu and seeing the results of UP Asseembly 2012 Elections,the shameful truppeting o fthe English  Media about Rahul and his campaigning the  columnist is bringing Rahul gandhi in to picture.It will be only Narendra Modi who can mobilize 200 Seats for BJP in 2014.even without alliance in North India. Allies then will come then on their own.Hindu Vote Consolidation will take place.Now all over the country most of the Hindus want him  to see  Modi as PM.A Selfless Strong PM is the need of the hour for India.The Country is vexed with a Weak PM who can notremove when his own party ministers misbehaved,.and they were notconsdiering him as PM.The Country's internal security is bortered by the Congress.

 “Only Modi” bashing from 2005 in electronic media is so powerfull that a perception had already been made in minds of his critics that he was the creator of riots and this bashing had already created hard bashers & hard followers of him. His continuation in power from 2002 also played a role in that he is having such hard critics. Where his hard followers are having one more non communal gun in hands that there is no any example in India 1. that a state agriculture growth for continuous period of 10 years ( 2000 to 2011) is near 12% in spite of one year of draught in this period , where’s national figure is about 2% to 3% for same period; 2. GDP growth for same continuous period is also about 10 to 12 % , much higher than national figure; 3. 24 hour of domestic electricity and 8 hour continuous electricity to agriculture in almost 99% of 18000 villages and even than financial health of state electricity board is far better , this far dreamy in rest of rural India; 4. There is no communal riots after 2002 but condition was very worse in Gujarat ( Particularly in Ahemdabad , Surat & Godhra etc. ) last 50 years before 2002; etc.

In parliamentary type election there are many factors 1. Faces of candidates 2. From how many time your party is in power for period just before election , due to power infighting in ruling party rises some time it is slow process and some time it is fast process; 3. From how many time your party is out of power for period just before election , it increases unity in opposition its extant may be small or large , differs from case to case; points at two and three are simple human nature; 4. Developmental works done by ruling some peoples may praise and some may pose threat; 5. How many followers & critics are there for CM/PM/Party; 6. Party workers quantity and Quality , when a party/man is in power for long time he always gains some in terms of workers quantity but looses in quality and hardship of workers; 6. Election management 7. Local/national or state wide factors; and many other instantaneous or long term factors. All these factors contributes in parliamentary system of elections.

Modi is very clever ( one might be ) till now he had very well managed all +ve and –ve things in his favor , he was able in winning the 60 to 70% assembly seats in 2007. I do not want to result of gauss 2012 assembly election , time will tell.

 Many are comparing Modi & Hitler but not one, who was political head of the country at the time of relatively large scale two riots. Yes, I am talking of 1984 anti-sikh riots at Delhi and October 1989 mainly anti-muslim riots at Bhagalpur. The SIT was never constituted to investigate into these two riots by the sickular governments. Yes, the Congress’s central government, law and order situation and police of Delhi is always remained business of Ministry of Home central govt., and in case of Bhagalpur there was also the Congress’s Bihar Government. In Delhi riots about 2700 people were killed and in Bhagalpur riots about 1180 people were killed a figure very near to post Godhra , these are figures of police records not from rumors. Both of the Delhi and Bhagalpur riots blew-up in small geographical areas when compared to Gujarat riots of 2002, which implies that Post Godhra riots were relatively difficult to control. A very few number of rioters , ( Mainly Hindu majority in all three cases ) , may be less than 10 were dead by security forces bullets at both places delhi & Bhagalpur , but in case of 2002 almost 150 to 200 hindu rioters were dead by bullets of security forces. In 2002 post Godhra riots were controlled within three days and there is very few killings on both side of communities after three days but both other riots happened for very longer span of time. There was largest unorganized mob on roads in 2002 after Godhra ( some says 20 lakhs peoples were on roads , and it was very difficult to predict that where & when and which section of mob will convert in to rioters ). Both post Godhra riots & 1984 riots were after sudden provocative happenings; it was burning of about 55 peoples by a communal mob of about 2000 peoples and in later case it was killing of Smt. Indira Gandhi by communal bodyguards; so both these riots were sudden incidents not predictable one but this was not the case of Bhagalpur riots. Many peoples think that 1989 Bhagapur riots on the eve of General Loksabha elections were left to happen to appease the Hindus of the country after a chronological events like Shah Bano episode in 1986. Fastest convictions of rioters by trial courts is underway in case of 2002 riots even in some cases the rioters had already been convicted, in a time period of almost 10 years; but in other both riots convictions by lower courts are very time consuming almost 20-25 years and many still pending. It is worth to mention that after 1984 & 1989 there were pseudo seculars govts for long time at both places cong in center for delhi 1984-1990 and Lalu in Bihar for Bhagalpur for almost 15 years from 1990. A separate trial, for this same particular happening of Gulburg Society in which Mr. Jafri along with 60 others were killed , is underway in lower court and many people’s are accused there by same SIT. But another complaint of Jakia Jafri was separately handed over to SIT by apex court, for investigation. After passing of some years from riots in this another complaint Mrs Jafri blamed Modi and 63 others , including top executives and police officers of Gujarat govt. Now SIT (appointed by apex court) after investigation under supervision of apex court is saying that there is no prosecutable evidence against those blamed by Mrs. Jafri in separate complaint . Then I think that it is absolutely wrong to gather sympathy by saying that “No one Killed Mr. Jafri”. U should tell the full truth that a separate trial of killing of Ex MP Jafri is underway on many accused persons , but these persons are other than those blamed by Jakia in her separate complaint; and same SIT had investigated and prosecuting those accused of killing of Mr. Jafri and others at Gulburg. Many peoples in Gujarat are saying the Tista and others are using Jakia Jafri for their political vendetta. No one telling there was communal anger in very large public after Godhra same after assassination of Smt. Indira Gandhi , but this was not the case of Bhagalpur. Anger in case of 2002 Gujarat was so large that in some cases brotherly neighbors were inviting rioters to kill their neighbors and later on as time passes they feel guilt , it is very much evident from tellings of riots victims ; concludes that it was relatively much difficult to control riots in case of 2002. No Electronic Media is telling that in 2002 there was already high vicious environment nationally and internationally evident from some facts 1. communally motivated attack on Indian Parliament had happened recently 2. Indian Military was on borders under a operation ( Perrakerram ? ) 3. USA was engaged in Afghanistan after 9/11 etc..
Military was called from border and was available on roads with shoot and sight orders just on next day of riots i.e. 1st march after 1st riot on 28th feb. Military and Police saved life of many peoples but in some cases unfortunately police only saved himself , run away frightened of big mob of rioters in front of them , their this activity left poor victims alone in front of big communally angered mobs. In very few cases Police employees may have acted communally but this is in very much contrast to what some persons says in case of Bhagalpur that almost in every significant incident of Bhagalpur 1989, mob was leaded by police himself as if police is doing some operation and leading the mob to do something. In , Gujarat 2002 riots , there was entirely different mobs at different places acting more or less simultaneously; up to some extant different scenario from Bhagalpur. Modi may be having some complicity in not giving the order , on very 1st day of post Godhra riots, to police for firing the rioters on large scale. But events on next two days shows that security forces were having free hand to fire the rioters.

Than what is the reason for hard bashing of “Modi only” in Electronic Media ? Is it is due to that his counterpart in case of above riots ( top political boss of the country in 1984 & 1989 ) is not alive today and Modi is still alive ? If it is so then one have to think deeply.

Till now Modi had used both , his excessive bashing and his praise , in his political favour. Some one had rightly said that Modi is most hated & most liked leader at present in India.

Modi bashing from 2005 in electronic media is so powerfull that a perception had already been made in minds of his critics that he was the creator of riots. His continuation in power from 2002 also played a role in that he is having such hard critics.

Pl. Read http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2641#iframetimelinechronologicalmainpostname : Comments of Salma
http://indianmuslims.in/bhagalpur-riots-14-accused-convicted-after-18-years/
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/NM1/Chronology-of-communal-violence-in-India/Article1-8038.aspx

http://www.cscsarchive.org:8081/Electronic MediaArchive/liberty.nsf/(docid)/6D275AE9ADEF5130E5256A1C00210FAB

 Can Modi do an Advani ? He can't. For the simple reason that 2012 is not 1996. And 2012 is not 2003 either.  In 2012 it will be an impossible ask to spot a Babri Masjid & convert it in to a Ramjanmabhumi. Nor it will be possible to convert a running train in to a burning inferno. In both the ignomies a hordes of ignorant kar-sevaks were sacrificial lambs. In 2012 no fool will be fooled one more time. Once the halo of the Lord Rama wore thin in 2004, the BJP promptly vacated the chair for Manmoahan Singh. The BJP did a repeat job in 2008 despite Singh did an abysmal job compared to Vajpayee. If what happened in UP last month is an indicator , 2014 is going to be no different & it must be told that this is despite 2G/4G/ Adarsh/ Coalgate/ V.K . SIngh etc. - list is long. Despite Manmohan & Montek ! ( We Indians are like that ). 

Modi's support base in Gujarat itself is wearing thin. Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi. The net-crowd notwithstanding , common Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 - 2003 nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 ,  ). It almost certain that in the next state elections Modi will be returned with pronouced reduction of majority. That is when knives will be out.

One major component Modi for PM agenda is his corporate backing. Corporate power is no longer  what it was pre-2008. Manmohan Singh is lame duck. They have proved to be a rent seeking class who made it hay while the going was good & a incompetent lot ( IIP sub 6%, GDP sub 7%) depite Rs. 1.8 lakh crore per annum subsidy ( in refined lingo its called tax foregone )  & Rs.1.27 lakh crore public  bank NPA ( not due to one or two EMIs you failed to pay on your house or car loan, but mostly due to corporate default.)

Worldwide expectation of man on the stree rising . Importantly the middle class who weild disprportionate influence on affairs of nation compared to their numbers are having more egalitarian idea post- current worldwide  financial debacle. Things are no exception in India.

Narendra Modi now is dated.

Much of the analysis about Modi’s future is quite off the mark…When 80% Hindus goes for voting, they will not worry if Modi Is a polarizing figure or not except for few so called Intellectual’s (anyways they don’t vote).The challenge for BJP Is to get incremental vote of about 5 to 8 % in next election. If they can get that they will sail through to be the single largest party even though their vote share still could be less than that of Congress(BJP being consolidated in North, West and Central India)…Modi’s image of strong delivery focused leader can attract floating votes from the majority community especially when he himself will become the talking point of the election…I am not sure if Sushma or Jaitley can get these additional votes on their own..The only challenge for Modi Is to get past these leaders( and Nitesh Kumar’s secular image issue which can be tackled by the OBC card of Modi) rather than worrying about Minority votes getting consolidated etc(which anyways is happening)….As far as new allies are concerned they will come to NDA if BJP comes near to a striking distance of forming the government(170 seats)!!!
 

Regards

If Rajiv Gandhi  could do an 'Advani'; remember "when a big tree falls....."; why can't Modi do one? Remember he won 411 seats after being the face of "Ghallu Ghara". One thing I agree with is the fact that Modi is a lot more in your face than Advani could ever be and Modi's support base likes him this way. There is no reason to change, it works for him. Although no proof was found by SIT but Rohit does not let this fact get in his way of declaring Modi the face of televised riots. It would be very interesting to see where all this concerted and coordinated Modi bashing takes Modi to. More than Modi's visceral distaste for Muslims it is Rohit's Chutzpah that is more apparent. An inimical media has made Modi bigger than he could have normally become and looks like he will ride this animosity to 7 race course road.

Isn't it too early to consider Modi's acceptability for 2014 elections? Modi should first win the assembly elections in Gujarat later this year. The ground realities are different this year. Just last month BJP unexpextedly lost its stronghold of Mansa assembly seat to the congress by a big margin of more than 8,000 votes. It had held this seat for the last 17 years. Soon after it lost Mahuva municipal and Junagarh co-op bank elections to the congress. Then came the TIME magazine poll in which the mostly Gujarati voters gave Modi more negative or 'No' votes (266,000) than positive or 'Yes' votes (256,000). All this happened because the anti-Modi groups and NGOs were galvanised and united, somethig that hadn't happened before.  

A good article...

Even Advani did not do an Advani! Did anyone hear of Prime Minister Advani?

Even Advani did not do an Advani! Did anyone hear of Prime Minister Advani?

A good article...

Isn't it too early to consider Modi's acceptability for 2014 elections? Modi should first win the assembly elections in Gujarat later this year. The ground realities are different this year. Just last month BJP unexpextedly lost its stronghold of Mansa assembly seat to the congress by a big margin of more than 8,000 votes. It had held this seat for the last 17 years. Soon after it lost Mahuva municipal and Junagarh co-op bank elections to the congress. Then came the TIME magazine poll in which the mostly Gujarati voters gave Modi more negative or 'No' votes (266,000) than positive or 'Yes' votes (256,000). All this happened because the anti-Modi groups and NGOs were galvanised and united, somethig that hadn't happened before.  

If Rajiv Gandhi  could do an 'Advani'; remember "when a big tree falls....."; why can't Modi do one? Remember he won 411 seats after being the face of "Ghallu Ghara". One thing I agree with is the fact that Modi is a lot more in your face than Advani could ever be and Modi's support base likes him this way. There is no reason to change, it works for him. Although no proof was found by SIT but Rohit does not let this fact get in his way of declaring Modi the face of televised riots. It would be very interesting to see where all this concerted and coordinated Modi bashing takes Modi to. More than Modi's visceral distaste for Muslims it is Rohit's Chutzpah that is more apparent. An inimical media has made Modi bigger than he could have normally become and looks like he will ride this animosity to 7 race course road.

Much of the analysis about Modi’s future is quite off the mark…When 80% Hindus goes for voting, they will not worry if Modi Is a polarizing figure or not except for few so called Intellectual’s (anyways they don’t vote).The challenge for BJP Is to get incremental vote of about 5 to 8 % in next election. If they can get that they will sail through to be the single largest party even though their vote share still could be less than that of Congress(BJP being consolidated in North, West and Central India)…Modi’s image of strong delivery focused leader can attract floating votes from the majority community especially when he himself will become the talking point of the election…I am not sure if Sushma or Jaitley can get these additional votes on their own..The only challenge for Modi Is to get past these leaders( and Nitesh Kumar’s secular image issue which can be tackled by the OBC card of Modi) rather than worrying about Minority votes getting consolidated etc(which anyways is happening)….As far as new allies are concerned they will come to NDA if BJP comes near to a striking distance of forming the government(170 seats)!!!
 

Regards

 Can Modi do an Advani ? He can't. For the simple reason that 2012 is not 1996. And 2012 is not 2003 either.  In 2012 it will be an impossible ask to spot a Babri Masjid & convert it in to a Ramjanmabhumi. Nor it will be possible to convert a running train in to a burning inferno. In both the ignomies a hordes of ignorant kar-sevaks were sacrificial lambs. In 2012 no fool will be fooled one more time. Once the halo of the Lord Rama wore thin in 2004, the BJP promptly vacated the chair for Manmoahan Singh. The BJP did a repeat job in 2008 despite Singh did an abysmal job compared to Vajpayee. If what happened in UP last month is an indicator , 2014 is going to be no different & it must be told that this is despite 2G/4G/ Adarsh/ Coalgate/ V.K . SIngh etc. - list is long. Despite Manmohan & Montek ! ( We Indians are like that ). 

Modi's support base in Gujarat itself is wearing thin. Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi. The net-crowd notwithstanding , common Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 - 2003 nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 ,  ). It almost certain that in the next state elections Modi will be returned with pronouced reduction of majority. That is when knives will be out.

One major component Modi for PM agenda is his corporate backing. Corporate power is no longer  what it was pre-2008. Manmohan Singh is lame duck. They have proved to be a rent seeking class who made it hay while the going was good & a incompetent lot ( IIP sub 6%, GDP sub 7%) depite Rs. 1.8 lakh crore per annum subsidy ( in refined lingo its called tax foregone )  & Rs.1.27 lakh crore public  bank NPA ( not due to one or two EMIs you failed to pay on your house or car loan, but mostly due to corporate default.)

Worldwide expectation of man on the stree rising . Importantly the middle class who weild disprportionate influence on affairs of nation compared to their numbers are having more egalitarian idea post- current worldwide  financial debacle. Things are no exception in India.

Narendra Modi now is dated.

 Many are comparing Modi & Hitler but not one, who was political head of the country at the time of relatively large scale two riots. Yes, I am talking of 1984 anti-sikh riots at Delhi and October 1989 mainly anti-muslim riots at Bhagalpur. The SIT was never constituted to investigate into these two riots by the sickular governments. Yes, the Congress’s central government, law and order situation and police of Delhi is always remained business of Ministry of Home central govt., and in case of Bhagalpur there was also the Congress’s Bihar Government. In Delhi riots about 2700 people were killed and in Bhagalpur riots about 1180 people were killed a figure very near to post Godhra , these are figures of police records not from rumors. Both of the Delhi and Bhagalpur riots blew-up in small geographical areas when compared to Gujarat riots of 2002, which implies that Post Godhra riots were relatively difficult to control. A very few number of rioters , ( Mainly Hindu majority in all three cases ) , may be less than 10 were dead by security forces bullets at both places delhi & Bhagalpur , but in case of 2002 almost 150 to 200 hindu rioters were dead by bullets of security forces. In 2002 post Godhra riots were controlled within three days and there is very few killings on both side of communities after three days but both other riots happened for very longer span of time. There was largest unorganized mob on roads in 2002 after Godhra ( some says 20 lakhs peoples were on roads , and it was very difficult to predict that where & when and which section of mob will convert in to rioters ). Both post Godhra riots & 1984 riots were after sudden provocative happenings; it was burning of about 55 peoples by a communal mob of about 2000 peoples and in later case it was killing of Smt. Indira Gandhi by communal bodyguards; so both these riots were sudden incidents not predictable one but this was not the case of Bhagalpur riots. Many peoples think that 1989 Bhagapur riots on the eve of General Loksabha elections were left to happen to appease the Hindus of the country after a chronological events like Shah Bano episode in 1986. Fastest convictions of rioters by trial courts is underway in case of 2002 riots even in some cases the rioters had already been convicted, in a time period of almost 10 years; but in other both riots convictions by lower courts are very time consuming almost 20-25 years and many still pending. It is worth to mention that after 1984 & 1989 there were pseudo seculars govts for long time at both places cong in center for delhi 1984-1990 and Lalu in Bihar for Bhagalpur for almost 15 years from 1990. A separate trial, for this same particular happening of Gulburg Society in which Mr. Jafri along with 60 others were killed , is underway in lower court and many people’s are accused there by same SIT. But another complaint of Jakia Jafri was separately handed over to SIT by apex court, for investigation. After passing of some years from riots in this another complaint Mrs Jafri blamed Modi and 63 others , including top executives and police officers of Gujarat govt. Now SIT (appointed by apex court) after investigation under supervision of apex court is saying that there is no prosecutable evidence against those blamed by Mrs. Jafri in separate complaint . Then I think that it is absolutely wrong to gather sympathy by saying that “No one Killed Mr. Jafri”. U should tell the full truth that a separate trial of killing of Ex MP Jafri is underway on many accused persons , but these persons are other than those blamed by Jakia in her separate complaint; and same SIT had investigated and prosecuting those accused of killing of Mr. Jafri and others at Gulburg. Many peoples in Gujarat are saying the Tista and others are using Jakia Jafri for their political vendetta. No one telling there was communal anger in very large public after Godhra same after assassination of Smt. Indira Gandhi , but this was not the case of Bhagalpur. Anger in case of 2002 Gujarat was so large that in some cases brotherly neighbors were inviting rioters to kill their neighbors and later on as time passes they feel guilt , it is very much evident from tellings of riots victims ; concludes that it was relatively much difficult to control riots in case of 2002. No Electronic Media is telling that in 2002 there was already high vicious environment nationally and internationally evident from some facts 1. communally motivated attack on Indian Parliament had happened recently 2. Indian Military was on borders under a operation ( Perrakerram ? ) 3. USA was engaged in Afghanistan after 9/11 etc..
Military was called from border and was available on roads with shoot and sight orders just on next day of riots i.e. 1st march after 1st riot on 28th feb. Military and Police saved life of many peoples but in some cases unfortunately police only saved himself , run away frightened of big mob of rioters in front of them , their this activity left poor victims alone in front of big communally angered mobs. In very few cases Police employees may have acted communally but this is in very much contrast to what some persons says in case of Bhagalpur that almost in every significant incident of Bhagalpur 1989, mob was leaded by police himself as if police is doing some operation and leading the mob to do something. In , Gujarat 2002 riots , there was entirely different mobs at different places acting more or less simultaneously; up to some extant different scenario from Bhagalpur. Modi may be having some complicity in not giving the order , on very 1st day of post Godhra riots, to police for firing the rioters on large scale. But events on next two days shows that security forces were having free hand to fire the rioters.

Than what is the reason for hard bashing of “Modi only” in Electronic Media ? Is it is due to that his counterpart in case of above riots ( top political boss of the country in 1984 & 1989 ) is not alive today and Modi is still alive ? If it is so then one have to think deeply.

Till now Modi had used both , his excessive bashing and his praise , in his political favour. Some one had rightly said that Modi is most hated & most liked leader at present in India.

Modi bashing from 2005 in electronic media is so powerfull that a perception had already been made in minds of his critics that he was the creator of riots. His continuation in power from 2002 also played a role in that he is having such hard critics.

Pl. Read http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2641#iframetimelinechronologicalmainpostname : Comments of Salma
http://indianmuslims.in/bhagalpur-riots-14-accused-convicted-after-18-years/
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/NM1/Chronology-of-communal-violence-in-India/Article1-8038.aspx

http://www.cscsarchive.org:8081/Electronic MediaArchive/liberty.nsf/(docid)/6D275AE9ADEF5130E5256A1C00210FAB

 “Only Modi” bashing from 2005 in electronic media is so powerfull that a perception had already been made in minds of his critics that he was the creator of riots and this bashing had already created hard bashers & hard followers of him. His continuation in power from 2002 also played a role in that he is having such hard critics. Where his hard followers are having one more non communal gun in hands that there is no any example in India 1. that a state agriculture growth for continuous period of 10 years ( 2000 to 2011) is near 12% in spite of one year of draught in this period , where’s national figure is about 2% to 3% for same period; 2. GDP growth for same continuous period is also about 10 to 12 % , much higher than national figure; 3. 24 hour of domestic electricity and 8 hour continuous electricity to agriculture in almost 99% of 18000 villages and even than financial health of state electricity board is far better , this far dreamy in rest of rural India; 4. There is no communal riots after 2002 but condition was very worse in Gujarat ( Particularly in Ahemdabad , Surat & Godhra etc. ) last 50 years before 2002; etc.

In parliamentary type election there are many factors 1. Faces of candidates 2. From how many time your party is in power for period just before election , due to power infighting in ruling party rises some time it is slow process and some time it is fast process; 3. From how many time your party is out of power for period just before election , it increases unity in opposition its extant may be small or large , differs from case to case; points at two and three are simple human nature; 4. Developmental works done by ruling some peoples may praise and some may pose threat; 5. How many followers & critics are there for CM/PM/Party; 6. Party workers quantity and Quality , when a party/man is in power for long time he always gains some in terms of workers quantity but looses in quality and hardship of workers; 6. Election management 7. Local/national or state wide factors; and many other instantaneous or long term factors. All these factors contributes in parliamentary system of elections.

Modi is very clever ( one might be ) till now he had very well managed all +ve and –ve things in his favor , he was able in winning the 60 to 70% assembly seats in 2007. I do not want to result of gauss 2012 assembly election , time will tell.

This learned columnist hav ebrought a Naive Rahul Gandhi in to the picture.. Rahul ganhdi in every electionb exposed himself.If Congress dares to filed Rahul Gandhi as PM Candidate. then it will be the end of the Congress. That is what is what people want to see. Even seeing the debacles in UP (2002) Gujarat,Bihar and Tamilnadfu and seeing the results of UP Asseembly 2012 Elections,the shameful truppeting o fthe English  Media about Rahul and his campaigning the  columnist is bringing Rahul gandhi in to picture.It will be only Narendra Modi who can mobilize 200 Seats for BJP in 2014.even without alliance in North India. Allies then will come then on their own.Hindu Vote Consolidation will take place.Now all over the country most of the Hindus want him  to see  Modi as PM.A Selfless Strong PM is the need of the hour for India.The Country is vexed with a Weak PM who can notremove when his own party ministers misbehaved,.and they were notconsdiering him as PM.The Country's internal security is bortered by the Congress.

1. that a state agriculture growth for continuous period of 10 years ( 2000 to 2011) is near 12% in spite of one year of draught in this period , where’s national figure is about 2% to 3% for same period;

Gujarat's agricutural growth rate inddeed is 10 % plus, mainly drivren by Bt. Cotton cultivation which is now staganting. This in itself is thought to be mixed blessing by cultivators. But to say that national average in agricultural growth is 2 to 3 % is headstrong partisanship or totally uninformed. The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low.

2. GDP growth for same continuous period is also about 10 to 12 % , much higher than national figure;

Gujarat's GDP growth rate has always been higher by about 100 basis point over the natioanal average. India attained about 8.9% GDP growth at the peak of its economic growth. So did Gujarat at about 10 %. There is no authentic data on current SGDP including that of Gujarat. Current national growth rate is 6.9 %. To put Gujarat's GDP @ 10 to 12 % is purely speculative & possibly wishful thinking, considering that its weightage on national average must quite high because it is one of the most industrialised states. The IIP data released today puts month to month IIP @ 4.1%. Gujrat must have heavily contributed to this abysmally low IIP.

3. 24 hour of domestic electricity and 8 hour continuous electricity to agriculture in almost 99% of 18000 villages and even than financial health of state electricity board is far better , this far dreamy in rest of rural India;

To give credit where it is due Gujarat is power surplus state largely due to Modi's policy. And due to a particular private house investing heavily on power. But this capacity addition is unregulated trading generation & therefore again a mixed blessing. Rural electrification is very high in Gujarat compared to natioanl average.

4. There is no communal riots after 2002 but condition was very worse in Gujarat

Good point & small mercy.

 Manish >> "Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 , )"

You are comparing Gujarat with Bengal? Few months back, we had daily reports of child dying in WB and the CM refused to even acknowledge those deaths.

For the hunger indices, you must know that food intake is measured in calories. Calorie intake for some states like Gujarat and Rajasthan will always be low because their staple diet includes crops like bajra, tindsi etc. But, even one bajra roti is more filling than six chapattis. But, overall, it is true that WB has less poor-rich divide than Gujarat. 

Please remember that Left government did a fantastic work in the human development areas. Both Kerala and WB (Left ruled) have good HDI numbers. Obviously, they have done better in this area than other parties.

>>>>> Gujarat's agricutural growth rate inddeed is 10 % plus, mainly drivren by Bt. Cotton cultivation which is now staganting. This in itself is thought to be mixed blessing by cultivators. But to say that national average in agricultural growth is 2 to 3 % is headstrong partisanship or totally uninformed. The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low.

16% ? why call it bad then?

>>But this capacity addition is unregulated trading generation & therefore again a mixed blessing

That unregulated trading generation (whatever that means) looks like a mixed blessings to you is not that big a problem, given your deep rooted faith in economy of allotment based deprivation. 

But care to explain what is "Unregulated trading generation" in Indian context?

Manish >> "The national agricultural growth rate is 16 % which in itself is unforgivably low."

As per Pranab Mukherjee's Economic Outlook Report for 2011-12, the projected growth is 3%. It grew at 6.6% in 2010-11. Never in the history of independent India, did we touch that growth number at the country level.

Manish,

Even your statistics on agricultural growth was also a fudge (see my prev post), like all the secular propaganda. LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE. That makes you look good. Propagandas, falsehoods and half-truths may dent the adversary for some time, but it completely erodes the credibility of the person. 

Till a few years ago, Gujarat was an arid zone. It is so even today, but there has been significant improvements in the past years. Even in cotton, Gujarat has outpaced maharashtra, the traditional cotton stronghold.

Vajpayee didnt come back to power is because he tried to become secular by increasing Haj Quota and so on but he missed the train of taking Hindus along with him the vote which made him PM..Advani lost due to his love for Jinnah..Hindus rifted away from him by not voting for BJP...

Country waited for Hindu face they got but leaders failed to prove..Now Modi's best part is that he stood by Hindus anger that he has not aplogised for riots...If he does U Turn then he too will be out of Politics and I think he has learnt from his mentor's mistake that he dont want to commit it...

Now coming to suclarism see what Secular constituency people did in Ode the Strong Hold of Congress in Anand District is we all know it, so congress....So Secular is like Washing Powder it gets washed along with dirt and Water and finally goes to drainage system.......

@Jaykumar >> "Advani lost due to his love for Jinnah..Hindus rifted away from him by not voting for BJP..."

If BJP lost such Hindu votes, it is good for BJP and everyone else.

Jaykumar >> "Country waited for Hindu face they got but leaders failed to prove."

After Vajpayee ji, the country has been waiting for a statesman who can take the country forward at fast pace. Narendra Modi seems to be the best choice today. This has nothing to do with Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isaai.

Feroze Gandhi was actually Feroze Ghandy.Nehru cleverly changed Ghandy to Gandhi to fool the people at large.Now,one more change is required to aptly project Rahul Gandhi for what he is,by calling him Rahul Gadha,Sanskrit word for donkey.Incidentally has Rahul Gandhi ever critisised Rajiv Gandhi for his role in Sikh massacre?

One more Modi bashing article that qualified to get ink in OUTLOOK megazine.  One more article in which the author invents statistic to suit his point of view.  National agreecultural growth at 16 per cent?  And that even unforgivingly low in the eyes of this author?  Get real.  You can't impress readers with a Mumbo-Jumbo like "Unregulated Trading Generation" !  If anything, as country ages, regulation goes up not down, a very few, if any, regulation already in place, are removed.  May be the author meant to say, "Trading Regulation Ignoring corrupt Generation".

 a desperate mind(manish)  working under a frustrated mind(vinod) and the result is another mindless, baseless article... u see mr editor, people(even muslims) dont bother to go thru ur perennial(10 years) modi bashing articles

 16 % is the contribution of agriculture to GDP , not rate of growth agriculture. I regret this howler crept in to my post in a moment of inadvertance. Strong comments I made in  my post #10-D/79 out of this momentary lapse is also regretfully unwarranted. My sincere apology specially to Navita Goel .

I satnd by all other data & comments I posted in my 6/D-57 & # 10/D-79 in this thread. 

There is a question about unregulated trading generation. Power tariff is fixed by state tarrif boards based on broad guidelies formulated by the central tariif commission. For example Reliance in Delhi or CESC in Calcutta is not free to sell power @ rates they like or to whomever they chooses.

The notorious Enron Company in the US deviced the power trading concept. Here in India now some private generating companies are free to sell power @ market determined prices to the highest bidder  under certain conditions.The buyer on his part may sell the power so purchased at a margin. 

Jayakumar,

>> Vajpayee didnt come back to power is because he tried to become secular.

Wrong! He lost because of Modi.

[Calorie intake for some states like Gujarat and Rajasthan will always be low because their staple diet includes crops like bajra, tindsi etc. But, even one bajra roti is more filling than six chapattis.]

Yes – but why? Could it be that bajra has more, rather than less calories than wheat flour?

http://www.iloveindia.com/nutrition/food-facts/calories-in-indian-food.html

Calories in Cereals per 100 Grams

Calories in Bajra 360
Calories in Maize flour 355
Calories in Rice 325
Calories in Wheat flour 341
 

MODI can do an ADVANI if BJP accepts the basic fact that "minorities will NEVER EVER VOTE for BJP" irrespective of what ever BJP does. So BJP must "appease the HINDU VOTERS" like the other parties are "appeasing the MINORITY VOTE BANK". BJP can win only if "MORE HINDUS" vote for them. Even in the RTE ACT, Supreme Court has kept the "minority institutions" out- so all the top Christian Private Schools of India are out while all Hindu Private Schools are in RTE. Similar PREFERENTIAL SECULARISM (there are many more) is what BJP needs to challenge and change for Hindus to vote for them.   

Narendar Modi has been battling demons unleashed by the Electronic Media in cahoots with the "Liberal " Establishment which has a cosy relationship with the Congress party. The Congress party organised the biggest massacre in the history of Independent India when congressmen killed 15,000 Sikhs on the streets of New DFelhi when Rajiv Gandhi was the Prime Minister. He famously justified by saying the ground shakes when a big tree falls.  The Crimes of 1984 were hushed up, while Narendar Modi has repeatedly been proven innocent by the process of judicial accountability. WHY DO THE LIBDERALS MAINTAIN DOUBLE STANDARDS?

"Wrong! He lost because of Modi"

You don't vote for BJP, so you may not be the right person who can undersatnd what a Hindu voters want from there leaders..

Vajpayee would have won 2004 , if would have not asked Modi to follow RajDharma, why because Gujarati's followed RajDharma only by going for riots to defend themsevles from  getting buthchered like train buring, burning people alive (Incident which happened much before train burning in Godhra, this Jollawallahs forget that to highlight this incident why?)which might have endangered there lives like KP.....Vajpayee should have stood by Hindus anger and he didn't did that, which he made a big mistake...

Jaykumar,

>> You don't vote for BJP, so you may not be the right person who can undersatnd what a Hindu voters want from there leaders..

I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi.

>>Wrong! He lost because of Modi.

Scavengers continue to peddle their fantasies as fact.

>>To put Gujarat's GDP @ 10 to 12 % is purely speculative & possibly wishful thinking, considering that its weightage on national average must quite high because it is one of the most industrialised states.

Since you recently confused between %age share and %age growth, I won’t be surprised if you made the above weightage assertion without finding out share of industrial output in our GDP.

>>For example Reliance in Delhi or CESC in Calcutta is not free to sell power @ rates they like or to whomever they chooses.

CESC is free to sell off-peak power to whomsoever it chooses at a non-regulated rate.

>>The notorious Enron Company in the US deviced the power trading concept.

What’s so notorious about power trading?

>>Here in India now some private generating companies are free to sell power @ market determined prices to the highest bidder under certain conditions.

And your problem here is….???

>>The buyer on his part may sell the power so purchased at a margin.

Did you bother to find out what that margin is??
 

>>Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi.

I never understood how our commentators are so cocksure about pan-India opinions and illusions.

>>Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 – 2003

So in 2002 and 2007 voting for him meant that they had to bear the stigma of 2002?

>> nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point. ( Hunger Index Gujarat 24.7% , West Bengal 20.97%, Child Mortality In Gujarat 44/ 1000, WB 31/1000, Child Malnutrition in Gujarat 44.6 % WB 38.7% , Child /mother Gujarat 2.5 WB 1.9 , ). It almost certain that in the next state elections Modi will be returned with pronouced reduction of majority.

Because of the statistics you provided? Did these stats get worse since 2002 and 2007? If not, then your conclusion is just wishful thinking.
 

 Manish Banerjee >> Modi's support base in Gujarat itself is wearing thin. Pan-India never had any illusion about Modi. The net-crowd notwithstanding , common Gujarati is gradually coming round to the view they no longer need to bear the stigma of 2002 - 2003 nor suffering Modi is such good thing even from purely material wellbeing point

Manish Banerjee, a sincere suggestion. Kindly dont use the Outlook forums to expose your complete lack of comprehension, lack of commensence and your absurd ignorance.

Gujarat is not a high HDI state and not even Modi denies that. But who is responsible. It is 65 years since independence and who ruled the state for much of the period since Brits left? The Congress and its corrupt, incompetent and inhuman leaders ruled the state for long years from 1947 till 1995. Modi era is hotly discussed but the plain fact is it is barely 10 years since modi age dawned in Gujarat.

And it is brutal truth that the best years in terms of HDI attainment in Gujarat has been the Modi era. There has been dramatic improvements in terms of literacy, in terms of falling malnutrition, female infanticide etc in last 10 years. Gujarat was earlier a typical BIMARU state in HDI, now it is more at par with middle level states. 

And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal. Bengal is today a monstrous disaster in terms of HDI. No amount of number fudging by you leftist comrades and JNU bengali sympathisers can hide the basic fact- west bengal stands low on every measure of HDI. Malnutrition, poor literacy esp among Dalit and Minorities, low health indicators, huge deprivation and massive unemployment is what West Bengal is about. The only good thing about West bengal is that there are two states that are worse than WB but that will be only for some time, Nitish is doing a lot to transform Bihar.

So maybe it is time to give a hard look at the 35 year golden era of marx in West Bengal first. 35 years is a period long enough and West Bengal has simply failed to improve itself in critical HDI indicators. Given this, the state and its poisonous leftist intellectuals should first shut their mouths before commenting about other states.

[The Congress and its corrupt, incompetent and inhuman leaders ruled the state for long years from 1947 till 1995. Modi era is hotly discussed but the plain fact is it is barely 10 years since modi age dawned in Gujarat.]

Inshallah the age of numeracy will also dawn soon. (Modi ascended to the throne in 2001.)

@ Zafar >> "Yes – but why? Could it be that bajra has more, rather than less calories than wheat flour? Bajra 360, Wheat flour 341."

Is this all nit-picking that you can come up with? You mean to say that 100 gm of Bajra, Wheat flour, apple, lettuce leaves and rasgulla are all equally filling? Or, do you mean to say that one must have 72 bowls of lettuce leaves (5 cals per bowl) to match 100 gm Bajra intake? FYI, calories are further broken into carbs, fats and proteins. And there is more in food than just calories.

But, calories intake is considered as the most reliable measure worldwide. Having said that, it is true that Gujarat needs further improvements in HDI. My point was that there is a context to it. Anyway, Bengal having better HDI (which is true) does not make it a better place than Gujarat.

Being anti-Modi is fine. But, if you start nit-picking with bogus arguments when you cannot fault with his administrative record, it results in only you losing your credibility. 

Since you recently confused between %age share and %age growth, I won’t be surprised if you made the above weightage assertion without finding out share of industrial output in our GDP.

This is a singularly graceless post in view of my post #20/D-24 which preceded it. Typical of Modibadis.

The contribution of agriculture in India's GDP is 28 %, if you do0n't know.

CESC is free to sell off-peak power to whomsoever it chooses at a non-regulated rate.

Until a few years back CESC was predominantly a distribution company & it own current generation  capacity do not meet the base load in it area. So CESC selling power is fanciful.

What’s so notorious about power trading?

You think that's clever? The adjective was for Enron not for trading, O.K ?

And your problem here is….???

Nothing , nothing at all except that history tends to repeat itself.

Did you bother to find out what that margin is??

You tell me.

I never understood how our commentators are so cocksure about pan-India opinions and illusions.

At least the BJP's top brass was cock-sure & did not have any illusions, reason they did not ask Modi to campagn in UP, Punjab, HP & Manipur.

So in 2002 and 2007 voting for him meant that they had to bear the stigma of 2002?

The sigma lies elsewhere not with people of Gujarat in general. And don't mix up with votes. Mulyam won UP & promptly proceeded to install 8 persons with serious criminal records asMinisters.

Because of the statistics you provided? Did these stats get worse since 2002 and 2007? If not, then your conclusion is just wishful thinking.

These are 2011 figures. I did not manufacture these stats. They are from Institute of Applied  Manpower Research, Plannig Commission.

And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal.

There you are in your elements, what you are good at. So why you were racking your head with GDP , power trading & things like that, my dear fellow ?

Correction :   #33/D-105. Please read ...in view of my post #20/D-124 & not #20/D-24.

[Is this all nit-picking that you can come up with?]

Hey - you are the one making strange claims about the relative caloric value of bajra and wheat and what you opine this might mean wrt caloric intake in Gujarat.  I just pointed out that your argument was based on a (n easily checkable, so lazy!) falsehood.  Now why are you getting cross with me?

[You mean to say that 100 gm of Bajra, Wheat flour, apple, lettuce leaves and rasgulla are all equally filling?]

Babloo Miyan, each of these would have a different amount of calories/100 grams.  Hence we would experience them as very differently filling.

[Or, do you mean to say that one must have 72 bowls of lettuce leaves (5 cals per bowl) to match 100 gm Bajra intake?]

If you want to match the calories (with no reference to anything else, not least volume) then obviously.

[But, calories intake is considered as the most reliable measure worldwide. Having said that, it is true that Gujarat needs further improvements in HDI. My point was that there is a context to it.]

Their eating bajra in Gujarat has absolutely nothng to do with it - your claim makes no sense.

[Anyway, Bengal having better HDI (which is true) does not make it a better place than Gujarat.]

Only if you're a human in need of development

[Being anti-Modi is fine. ]

I'm just standing up for bajra and truth in advertising.  You're the one who is making bizarre (and false) claims about different cereals in order to justify low HDI in Gujarat.

Regards

@ Zafar >> "Babloo Miyan..."

Thank you Zafar bhai. We can stop the argument here.

BJP would have come back to power with minimum 275 seats in 2004, had BJP commenced construction of RAM MANDIR at AYODYA. Some of the parties like TMC, BJD, TD, DMK etc etc  would have walked out of NDA the day MANDIR construction commence and Vajpayee Govt would have lost majority in the Parliament. But majority of HINDUS would have overwhelhmingly voted for BJP giving BJP a minimum  of 275 seats in Parliament in the next election. Had BJP ensured  shifting of MOSQUE from Krishn Janam Stan- Mathura and Gyan Vapi mosque from near Kashi Vishwanath Mandir, Varanasi, BJP would have remained in power in India for 25 years.

 Inspite of all SECULAR EFFORTS of BJP and Mr Vajpayee - TMC, BJD, TD, DMK etc etc all have walked out of NDA.  If BJP hopes to come back to power, BJP has  to  get more HINDU VOTES. Accept it - MINORITIES will NEVER EVER vote for BJP, whatever BJP does. . 

 Peace Babloo. (But please, speak gently about bajra from now on, it doesn't deserve bad words.)

<<<< I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi.

I doubt it, hard-core Hindutva is alien enough to the liberal Hindu ( most of whom may support the BJP for reasons other than religion),then how could a Muslim claim to know the rationale behind the ultra - conservative Hindutva voter. Whatever your claim in this context is, is nothing more than mere supposition & generalisation.

Hari,

>>  hard-core Hindutva is alien enough to the liberal Hindu.

I agree. Hindutva is also alien to the true Hindu.

>>> Second, 6th December and its bloody aftermath were a series of events and it was hard to link them to a single person. Modi, on the other, was the face of India's first televised riots.

Has any court found even the slightest evidence against Modi about his involvement in 2002 riots? If not, then why are you making avove baseless statements?

 Zafar >> Inshallah the age of numeracy will also dawn soon. (Modi ascended to the throne in 2001.)

Let us revisit the topic in 2043 ; assuming Modi and his successors continue to rule gujarat till then. 

BTW who is Mr Inshallah ? 

Rohit Desai >> Isn't it too early to consider Modi's acceptability for 2014 elections? Modi should first win the assembly elections in Gujarat later this year.

Yes Modi will lose 2012 elections. he will be subsequenty jailed (and hanged) by the Congress govt under leadership of Wagela (or ahmed patel). Pigs will fly. Congress gets 280 seats in 2014 elections and Rahul Gandhi becomes the Prime minister. India is a super power in 2019 and becomes truly secular after banning hindu religion and destroying the many thousand hindu temples in india.And BJP is banned too. UPA rules for eternity.  And anyone who disagrees with these predictions should be a deadly hindu fundamentalist who must die for sake of Indian secularism. Huh !

 I find it amusing for lot of people telling that Bengal has a better HDI than Gujarat. How exactly friends?

Maybe if you define HDI by strikes, lockouts, inability to work hard, inefficient governance and a feudal class system where a parasitc government employee class puts its self interest over the unorganized private sector employed, then Bengal is high in HDI.

Not saying here that Gujarat has best HDI in India. One must not forget that Gujarat was ruled by decades of ultracorrupt and useless Congress CMs from 1947 to 1995 and Modi era,however great is just in it is 11thyear...

In contrast Waste Bengal has had 35 years of iron clad Marxist rule and it should be the most literate,healthy state in India with zero child labour and malnutrition. Is it?

The fact is West Bengal is ahead of just 3 other big states in HDI - UP,Bihar and MP . So much for a state which had its first modern educational institutions 130  years back and so much for a state which was most industrially advanced region in entire Asia post WW2. So much for a state which got its first railway lines in Asia, so much for a state which was a industrial power house of Asia in 1950s..

West Bengal's HDI acheivements is like the weapons of mass destruction that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was alleged to have. A lie, told a million times is still a lie.Maybe the marxist bengalis think that HDI is about knowning the glories of Marx, Stalin and Mao. If HDI d to knowing about lunatic ideologoes, mass murderers and their methods, then USA should be the most poorly developed nation in the world !!

 Zafar >> Babloo Miyan, each of these would have a different amount of calories/100 grams. Hence we would experience them as very differently filling.

So HDI is all about what we eat? Wonderful arguments.. So Bengal has better HDI than Gujarat means it is about eating Rosgullas and Hilsa being superior (HDI wise) than eating icecreams and Khichdi?

Gandhiji would  be rolling in his grave to see how an entire perverted generation of leftist intellectuals have defined human development in terms of gluttony. No wonder Outlotok hates Modi. It is all about food - the khichdi eater is inferior to the hilsa eater !

"I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi."

Same logic how Muslim vote for MIM, Muslim League, Christian vote for Kerala Chiristian Congress ....Same logic is Applicable for Harijan's voting for BSP..........

Jaykumar,

>>>> "I know why Hindutva voters vote for divisive leaders like Modi."
>> Same logic how Muslim vote for MIM, Muslim League....

Both are equally bad for India.

 Advani called Jinnah secular, what should Modi say. hmm.

Hafeez Sayid is a genuine freedom fighter?

Nominates Teesta Setalvad for Bharat Ratna?

Nominates Zakia for Gujarat governor?

What atrocious can Modi do to become a secular guy? May be visit the Ajmer Dargah, asks for repentance and donates more than Zardari. It won't help. 

Advani was the biggest failure of Indian politics in last 20 years along with Sharad Pawar, Arjun Singh, Jyoti Basu et al. He was always at a kissing distance from the most coveted post in country. Modi has to do the undoable in his own way. Get 271 seats and you're the prime minister. Improbable if not impossible. 

>>> Advani called Jinnah secular, what should Modi say. hmm.

Advani never called Jinnah a secular person. He only mentioned that "The speech made by Jinnah on the first day of the very first assembly session of Pakistan was a good example of Secular approach. Had Pakistan followed those secular principles mentioned in the speech, Pakistan would have been a far better state."

This is exactly what he said in 2005 when he visited Pakistan. He never said that Jinnah was secular. He praised Jinnah's speech, he did not praise Jinnah nor he honoured Jinnah with secularism tag.

However, media deliberately twisted his statement and published that Advani called Jinnah secular.

>>This is a singularly graceless post in view of my post #20/D-24 which preceded it. Typical of Modibadis.

You spoke of high weightage of Gujarat in India’s GDP because of it was amongst the most industrialized. In that context, read my question again.

>>The contribution of agriculture in India's GDP is 28 %, if you do0n't know.

I wish you read posts before responding.

>>Until a few years back CESC was predominantly a distribution company & it own current generation capacity do not meet the base load in it area. So CESC selling power is fanciful.

It takes real courage to assert something without factual back-up. CESC could always meet base load; it was unable to meet peak load. Open CESC’s annual report and go and ask a CESC official what the entry ‘power export units’ in it actually means.

>>You think that's clever? The adjective was for Enron not for trading, O.K ?

And that adjective crept in in the current context purely inadvertently?

>>Nothing , nothing at all except that history tends to repeat itself.

What history is that? Notorious Enron history??

>>You tell me.

Ah! Those notorious corporates, devising the ‘power trading concept’ selling to the highest bidder and the buyer further selling it at a ‘margin’. Now I have to tell you the margin?

>>At least the BJP's top brass was cock-sure & did not have any illusions, reason they did not ask Modi to campagn in UP, Punjab, HP & Manipur.

Do you always share BJP’s top brasses’ opinion or do you do it as per convenience? Modi chose not to campaign on the issue of induction of Sanjay Joshi. Nice to see the spin though.

>>The sigma lies elsewhere not with people of Gujarat in general.

Good, you just refuted your own point.

>>These are 2011 figures. I did not manufacture these stats. They are from Institute of Applied Manpower Research, Plannig Commission.

Again, read the post before responding. I DID NOT question the stats!

>>And dont even compare with your shit hole state called Waste bengal.
>>There you are in your elements, what you are good at. So why you were racking your head with GDP , power trading & things like that, my dear fellow ?

I know you can’t help your urge for a brisk response but the first step is to read the original post and next to see who posted it.