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D-34/67
Aug 28, 2014
10:43 AM

For those morons who have been plugging that illiterate Sreenivasan Jain's NDTV program "Truth vs Hype" to refute love jihad, here is a scholarly take down of these propagandists.

http://rupasubramanya.blogspot.in/2014/08/how-ndtvs-claims-about-love-jihad-dont.html


RSM
Delhi, India
D-33/8
Aug 28, 2014
10:37 AM

>>Or some stupid journalist is spreading rumors.

Don't you remember the Rambo story..

Yeah! Yeah! Also how Mahu Kishwar added to that. The "stupid journalist" you mention is another bhakt Tavleen Singh.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-32/7
Aug 28, 2014
10:24 AM

>> Either that is true or the bhakts are spreading rumours to enhance the prestige of Modiji or .. did Modiji not get the "cut"???

Or some stupid journalist is spreading rumors.

Don't you remember the Rambo story, which later TOI apologized for (in the fine print though).

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-31/6
Aug 28, 2014
09:54 AM

A senior minister whose son allegedly took money for transfers and postings has been ordered to return the money  indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/defeat-and-delusions/2/

Either that is true or the bhakts are spreading rumours to enhance the prestige of Modiji or .. did Modiji not get the "cut"???

R. Saroja, Bombay
D-30/35
Aug 28, 2014
09:26 AM

For the geniuses -

1. Susan Brownmiller's study was the first major one on rape. Bangladesh is sxtensively covered there.

2. The black men- White woman rapes, allegations and lynchings are also discussed there.

3. The acknowledgement of fear/hate campaign against black men does not invalidate or downplay rapes on white women by black men.

4. "Love jihad" was supposed to be seduction of hindu women by muslim men to increase their numbers and that money was being pumped in to encourage such seductions. No evidences found in any enquiry.

5. To cite the case of a massive prostitution/pimping racket which existed almost in the open in UK as an evidence of "love Jihad"? 

6. Lastly, jews did not eat any christian babies and the church by and large discouraged such tales, but many did believe in that and it made atrocities against jews "justified".

7. More on "love Jihad", this time by dalits in Tamil Nadu - 

Repeatedly referring to the meeting held here as one of non-Dalit organisations, Dr. Ramadoss, whose support base is drawn from the Vanniyars, identified officially as a Most Backward Class, demanded amendments to prevent the misuse of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, and accused Dalit youth of fomenting social tension by filing false complaints under the law and ensnaring girls from other castes with bogus professions of love.

“They wear jeans, T-shirts and fancy sunglasses to lure girls from other communities,” he told reporters. A resolution adopted at the meeting cited statistics of broken marriages to claim that inter-caste marriages ended in failure because they were unions born out of caste design and not love.

In the company of groups representing various intermediate castes and some Muslim organisations too, the PMK leader said all of them would hold demonstrations across the State on January 4 to press the demand for amending the Act to prevent its misuse against non-Dalits. www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/ramadoss-consolidates-intermediate-caste-groups-against-dalits/article4156999.ece

See also www.firstpost.com/india/dharmapuri-violence-why-tn-could-become-a-hotbed-for-love-jihad-543446.html

And some earlier fights against love jihad

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-29/34
Aug 28, 2014
09:00 AM

>> I wait for the day when our maulanas declare that mixed marriages do not require conversion.

Special marriages Act do not require nor acknowledge anyone's religion. I am just curious - which inheritance laws apply to offsprings of such marriages? Or such cases have never reached any court? Bonita?

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-28/33
Aug 28, 2014
08:55 AM

The fake claim by the Hindu right that there is a “Love Jihad”organisation which is forcing Hindu women to convert to Islam through false expressions of love is similar to a campaign inthe 1920s in north India against alleged “abductions”. Whether 1920 or 2009, Hindu patriarchal notions appear deeply entrenched in such campaigns: images of passive victimised Hindu women at the hands of inscrutable Muslims abound, and any possibility of women exercising their legitimate right to love and their right to choice is ignored. - Charu Gupta in epw in 2009

See also The myth of love jihad

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-27/32
Aug 28, 2014
08:51 AM

Disturbed by the open celebration of violent acts of rape and carnage by some communities in Gujarat in 2002, he began research. Besides the news reports of the attacks, there were CDs of witnesses to these incidents. “There seemed to be public approval of the sexual attacks of 2002,” said Kanwar. “Attacks that were justified, accepted or celebrated by some people. We have unfortunately learnt to live with violence but this kind of celebration was hard to understand or accept.”

Kanwar began putting together news reports from across the country relating to public humiliation and sexual attacks against women. He was shocked by the number of incidents and their spread across geographical and political boundaries.

The narrative is distributed across eight large screens and challenges the viewer with piecing together the various recounting of violence. This creates an immersive experience: the viewer is surrounded by voices, text and visuals and is confronted by a roundly told tale rather than one expedient story told to a passive audience.

Where some images scream their anguish at you, others are silent in reconciliation; some are poignant and poetic while others horribly disturbing. It is perhaps the silences that become most unsettling.  http://scroll.in/article/675264/Amar-Kanwar's-searing-testimonies-attempt-to-recover-submerged-narratives-of-sexual-violence-in-India

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
D-26/6
Aug 28, 2014
07:35 AM

Good debate .. in the Supreme court. Without any purpose. It is always good to talk about people who are not present and cannot respond.

Rajesh, Phoenix
D-25/1
Aug 28, 2014
06:50 AM

>>  he refused to confirm or deny it and said it was the media's responsibility to find out the autheticity of any video before showing it.

It has been a long time since Indian medid did some work by themselves .. all they know is he said that she said this .. they just need somebody to tell them what to tell.
pradeep
Chennai, India
D-24/22
Aug 28, 2014
05:11 AM

How about "An alternate discription of Gandhi" by Wendy Doniger?

Pramod
Tucson, United States
D-23/5
Aug 28, 2014
04:48 AM

Only Sonia and Rahul and their clan were right and had credibility. They even got away with genocide, massacre, riots and got Bharat Ratnas. And now Rahul goes to Europe every month. No questions asked.

gayatri, madrid
D-22/31
Aug 28, 2014
03:48 AM

>> You were born in the wrong country

You want him also to kill Hindus?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-21/30
Aug 28, 2014
03:47 AM

>> but shameless individuals exist in both communities.

But why do they occur so much more among Muslims?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-20/13
Aug 28, 2014
03:29 AM

Anwaar

Your suggestions are not practical.

When religion was the basis of creating a separate nation state, Pakistan cannot suddenly turn its back to religion. And once you declare yourself as an Islamic state , there is no way you can discard the doctrines of Islam.

As you have said in the past, it is not possible to revise the content of the scriptures. But these scriptures actually provide a lesser role to the minorities. Can you for example, delete the portions of the texts related to Kafirs? Since you cannot,  if a Muslim persecutes or tries to convert Kafirs, how is he un-Islamic in his approach?

Minorities will be persecuted in all Islamic states unless certain parts of the texts are either omitted ( is it possible?) or explained differently ( very difficult to convince ordinary folks that Jehad is a spiritual journey and not aggression over non-believers).

DC
NEW YORK, United States
D-19/29
Aug 28, 2014
02:59 AM

Akash Verma,

>> "Jihad is driven by hate-not love."

How come you are so ignorant? Jihad may mean either war against one's own inner baseness or it can mean war to protect one's faith against attackers. Neither meaning carries a connotation of hate. By the way I advise Muslims to discard this word because its use has been completely perverted.



 

Anwaar, Dallas
D-18/11
Aug 28, 2014
02:58 AM

For the bottomline is this: the BJP and RSS sit uneasy with any peace move towards Pakistan.... Saba

Terrorism and peace are opposite to each other. Pakistan army and their government has opposite targets towards India and hence it is useless to talk to them. After all, BJP does not have any compulsion like Congress, the minority vote bank. It is India's way, or the Highway, as one Pakistani columnist suggested.

george
london, United Kingdom
D-17/10
Aug 28, 2014
02:54 AM

''Vladimir Modi is setting new rules of engagement.''  Saba

'' Today, 18 May 2014, may well go down in history as the day when Britain finally left India. Narendra Modi's victory in the elections marks the end of a long era in which the structures of power did not differ greatly from those through which Britain ruled the subcontinent. India under the Congress party was in many ways a continuation of the British Raj by other means. The last of midnight's children are now a dwindling handful of almost 70-year-olds, but it is not the passing of the independence generation that makes the difference.

The India those men and women lived in was one that, like its predecessor, was centralised, garrisoned, culturally constricted, and ruled by a relatively small English-speaking elite whose attitude toward the masses was alternately benevolent and exploitative but never inclusive. Universal suffrage gave Indians a vote but not, at least for much of the time, a voice. When that voice was occasionally heard, as it was in 1977 in the elections that followed the disastrously unpopular Emergency declared by prime minister Indira Gandhi, there could be a sudden sense of its almost volcanic capacity to remake the political landscape, but such moments were rare.

Now that voice has been heard again. It has endorsed a new kind of leader in the shape of Mr Modi. He is from the lower castes. He is not a natural English speaker. He has no truck with the secular and socialist traditions that shaped Congress. But, more important, that voice has announced a new kind of India. In the old India the poor were there to be helped, when the elite remembered to do so or when they needed to seek or, in effect, to buy votes. The middling classes were taken for granted and sometimes snubbed. The new India, most observers agree, is not interested in handouts, and refuses to be snubbed. ''

GUARDIAN EDITORIAL 18th May, 2014

george
london, United Kingdom
D-16/28
Aug 28, 2014
02:47 AM


Akash Verma,

>> "I personally know quite a few cases where hindu girls were converted to Islam-after making the initial promise that the girl need not convert."

Such husbands should be ashamed of themselves, but shameless individuals exist in both communities. I wait for the day when our maulanas declare that mixed marriages do not require conversion. Asking a wife to convert shows neither respect nor love for her.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-15/27
Aug 28, 2014
02:39 AM

Suresh,

>> Anwaar might say - "Those who indulge in Love-Jihad are not real muslims".

Anwaar says that Love Jihad is the malicious invention of RSS/VHP promoters of hate.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-14/12
Aug 28, 2014
02:35 AM

Can we exchange Kashmiris for the minorities in Pak? Seems like a good trade for everyone. AKASH VERMA CHENNAI, INDIA

Akash, can we add Anwaar in that list, please?

 
george
london, United Kingdom
D-13/11
Aug 28, 2014
02:33 AM

A shocking story in today's Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735194 

george
london, United Kingdom
D-12/4
Aug 28, 2014
02:31 AM


Akash Verma,

>>>> "Why do you concoct such mlicious stories? Is lying a requirement of all hate pracharaks"

>> "Jehadis like you are braind-dead."

Typical response from a communalist foul-mouth!

Anwaar, Dallas
D-11/21
Aug 28, 2014
02:28 AM


Akash Verma,

>>>> "You are a shameless liar"

>> "I did not expect anything else from you."

That's one more lie!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-10/26
Aug 28, 2014
02:25 AM

Akash Verma,

>> "I have a become a fan of Yogi Adityanath. His call to convert 100 muslim girls for every hindu girl was classic."

Both Adityanath and you exhibit Pakistani traits! You were born in the wrong country.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-9/1
Aug 28, 2014
02:09 AM


Bizarre story but it is not Love Jihad!

Anwaar, Dallas
D-8/4
Aug 28, 2014
02:03 AM


> "Shah said the integrity of all ministers is beyond doubt."

A certificate of integrity from Amit Shah? That's a joke!

Anwaar, Dallas
D-7/1
Aug 28, 2014
02:00 AM

loved him:)

Sachin Kumar, Shamli
D-6/10
Aug 28, 2014
01:43 AM

Nothing is going to happen to Pakistan when Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmedi and Shia population is destroyed.  Only hope is when Christian population is widely affected, some possibility that the Christian world may do something. Hope Iran do something for Shia.  So far, though nothing.

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
D-5/9
Aug 28, 2014
01:33 AM

Note this story is carried only in web section.

The genocide of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan is complete. There is nnothing left to save or salvage. From 22% of population in 1947 to 1% now.  The Congress government of India, was directly complicit in that genocide by keeping quiet and looking the other way as muslims in Pakistan annhilated the Hindus and Sikhs.

SaachBolo
SaachGarh, India
D-4/1
Aug 28, 2014
01:22 AM

Ms.Tavleen Singh told this in the Indian Express last Sunday. She did not name one, but she said the son was scorned by the PM. If this is true, it is good sign.

george, london
D-3/8
Aug 28, 2014
01:21 AM

And then some Indian muslim commentrators like Javed Naqvi, Mr.Noorani, Saba Naqvi, and Aijaj Syed from Dubai, gives their sermons to Hindus every week how the minorities should be treated. They are also more worried why Kashmiris are not getting their independence.

george
london, United Kingdom
D-2/3
Aug 28, 2014
01:14 AM

BJP must arrest the down slide at this level, otherwise they will look like congress in a very short time.

george, london
D-1/2
Aug 28, 2014
12:40 AM

How about this idea:

Put up 'idea boxes',(  to create the illusion that this government is genuinely interested in the ideas of its people),  but carry on its ingenious ways of looting the people anyways?

[ SAY NO TO INFOOTER DISPLAY AND POP UP ADS ].

Misogynist, Chennai
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