Apropos of No Country for Kafirs (Feb 7), I’d like to mention here that every time you write about Sikh or Hindu business people leaving Afghanistan, the nwfp, or some other region of Pakistan, you should also take note that Muslim business people too are leaving at the same time. Also take note that the migrating Hindus usually end up resettling in Lahore or Karachi.

Laxman Jethmalani, Delhi

The irony in Balochistan is that the tribal society there had a secular ethos and the minorities always enjoyed protection. It’s the Pakistani state that has injected fundamentalism there.

Akshay, Ludhiana

While we are seeing song and drama of the Secus just have a look how Hidus are being destroyed in Pakistan . Majority in Pakistan under the grab of sharia reduced Christians ,Hindus and Sikhs to near extiction.

None cries for them !

"Pak's Hindu temples turned into picnic spots, hotels

Hindus in Pakistan are watching helplessly as ancient temples turn into ruins due to the apathy of authorities, reports Tahir Ali from Islamabad.
Despite being the second largest ethnic majority in the country, Hindus in Pakistan have been unable to acquire possession of their religious places, agricultural land and other commercial areas. Due to lack of government action, most sacred sites for Hindus are in a dilapidated condition; the rest have been converted into schools, hotels or business centres.
.  A report of the Evacuee Trust Property Board reveals that 135,000 acres of land belonging to Hindu farmers is under the control of ETBP, of which 125,000 acres is fertile and suitable for cultivation. "

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-paks-hindu-temples-turned-into-picnic-spots-hotels/20110224.htm

Ghai,

>>  killings of LeT Module Chief Isharat and Sorabudin Gun Runner of lashkar and IM-SIMMI rogues attact extremel harsh comments from the Secu.

Fake encounter murders of those who are already in police custody must draw harsh comments from all civilized persons.

>> but they become slient on Pandits and cleansing of Minorites in Pakistan and Kashmir.

That is false and vicious.

"We should accept the fact that violence is the last resort of a Hindu & the first of a Moslem
Kiran Voleti"

  Very well said. But self proclaimed secularists and 'objective' commentators will insist on the position that 'both sides' were equally guilty of the 1947 violence, and all violence thereafter.

peace 

Strange and sad that  killings

corrected

Strange and sad killings of LeT Module Chief Isharat and  Sorabudin Gun Runner of lashkar and IM-SIMMI rogues attact extremel  harsh comments from the Secu  but they become slient on Pandits and cleansing of Minorites in Pakistan and Kashmir.The case True  Fradulent Secular Dharma .

Surprised that the kashmiri pandits never formed a terror group despite being kicked out of their homes to refugee camps? We should accept the fact that violence is the last resort of a Hindu & the first of a Moslem

Repeat assertion

I hate to disturb the prosecution complex that Outlook is trying to further here, but I would like to mention here that every time Indian media has reported on Sikh or Hindu banias leaving Afghanistan, NWFP or Baluchistan, they fail to mention that Punjabi Muslim businessmen are leaving these places with equal speed. Punjabi Muslims are equally hard to find in Quetta and Peshawar. Also, a larger number of these Hindus and Sikhs prefer to go to Karachi or Lahore than India.

Yours truly,

Laxman Jethmalani
Last Hindu Standing at the Quetta High Court Bar

It's  obvious that Muslims are violent & brutal. When they are not killing the few minorities in their midst, they are killing each other.We must get our Hindus folks out of Pakistan & settle them in India.The Pakistanis are welcome to have equal or double the number of Muslims in return.

I think it is really sad for the Hindu minority of Pakistan but not at all surprising. However one must not forget the fundamental differences between India and pakistan. Unlike India Pakistan was created for muslims and can not boast of any security for their own citizens in the current atmosphere. Even  shia muslims  of Pakistan do not feel safe and feel discriminated against. During the partition days predominantly wealthy Hindus were targeted while the lower caste hindus were allowed to stay as they were useful from the doing below dignity work for the locals. One can not expect any thing different from a failed nation. I think the Hindus in pakistan should be allowed to settle in India and they should take up this option readily  as the future for even Pakistani muslim looks bleak.....It just shows that creation of any nation based on religious ideology ( Pakistan probably was created out of the hurt ego of ambitious and widely disliked Jennah) does not prosper .administration based on  religious ideology is sure recipee for failure..sooner or later ! 

the muslims in india must be a worried lot, not beacuse the hindus are facing threats from islamists but are escaping the butchers and not converting to islam.

I might have missed whether any body aware what Burney ,Diggi,or Shas ahai Imam or Clergy or any Secular said some sympatheitc words for the Hindus,Sikhs and Christians in Balochistan ?

Poor Manmohan Singh an extremely sensitive gentleman must have  totally lost his sleep on the horrible plight of the Minorities in Pakstan .

>> Authorities in Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves for the plight of Balochi Hindus

As if you care.

 George in London, excellent, though politically incorrect. Moslems are indeed violent and intolerant, whether it is Pakistan, Saudi, Somalia or Egypt.They have difficulty acknowledging and respecting the Hindu religion. Let's hope this popular looking uprising in Egypt does not bring fanatical Islamists into office. That would be a shame and a tragedy.

 How do people in this forum, and the jholawalas in general, explain the absense of 'retaliatory terrorism' by these Hindus, against Moslems and Pakistan. Surely, being forced to move or being abducted for ransom, is an injustice. Why aren't Hindus retaliating the way Moslems are in India?

We know minorities have no place in any Muslim Country,Sharia grants only one fourth weightage to the evidence of a non Muslim  in its legal system .Muslim will claim full rights in other Countries but will give non eto non muslims in their Countreis.Secualrism,Democratic rights,Human rights ,right to limb and life is not for the non muslims in any Muslim Society.

With Arab Countries under turmoil created by Democrats and hardliners Muslim Brother Hood groups the later will finally take over.Then w ewill see the true face of Whabis .Pakistan has destroyed itself so will Arabs .Don't blame Pakis alone.

 I think its great that the Hindus are moving out. Regardless of right and wrong, the ground reality is that minorities are not safe. Not even massive minorities like Shias and policemen - so its not just religious either. Basically, in a desperation to 'maintain peace' the Pakistan government has largely turned a blind eye to everything nasty. Be it lynching of two innocent boys, crimes or killings. This maintaining peace also is about going with the Army line - India is a threat, we need weapons, army, jihad, nuclear weapons, more money, blah, blah - till the Nation literally has very little to survive on, which the elite use for themselves.

Pakistan is going to hit rock bottom before it rises again, but miniscule minorities are going to be engulfed in the madness well before that time comes. It is better that they look to their own safety.

On the other hand, this is what the Kashmiri Pandits did, and there doesn't seem to be a good time to return, ever. So its possibly realistic for people to simply move out permanently and get on with their lives rather than hang on to hopes of return.

It happened in Pakistan before 1971,it is happening in bangladesh even today. Same old story,where muslims are majority,there are no room for others. Violent and intolerant people, making other peoples's lives difficult everywhere in the world.

The persecution of minorities in Pakistan - or anywhere else, for that matter - is an act of cowards and bigots and needs to be condemned unreservedly.

I hate to disturb the prosecution complex that Outlook is trying to further here, but I would like to mention here that every time Indian media has reported on Sikh or Hindu banias leaving Afghanistan, NWFP or Baluchistan, they fail to mention that Punjabi Muslim businessmen are leaving these places with equal speed. Punjabi Muslims are equally hard to find in Quetta and Peshawar. Also, a larger number of these Hindus and Sikhs prefer to go to Karachi or Lahore than India.

Yours truly,

Laxman Jethmalani

>>. Protection of minorities must be one of the top priorities of any government.

Pakistan is doing a great job in protecting the rights and cultural heritage of the predominent religious minority of erstwhile undivided India (pre 1947). The mandate of Pakistan is to ensure the same. Pakistan never claimed or said that it was a secular state, it wanted to be a theocratic state from day 1 (notwithstanding the illusions of Jinnah). So clearly this is a case of barking on the wrong tree.

>>.The country has fallen to new depths in every parameter that defines being civilized.

If Arundathi Roy and Geelani have their way and establish their own separate nation in J&K, it will be also a theocratic state with zero space for religious minorities. Kashmir eradicated its religious minorities even when it was part of secular republic of India. If it seceeds, it will prove to be more uncivilized than any nation on planet, including Pakistan. It is another thing that the left liberal media, intellectuals and sympathisers want the same, but they dont say it loudly. For all their evils, one must appreciate the Pakistani Hardliners - they are brutally honest and dont hide their intentions (unlike the Indian Left Liberal Kashmir separatism supporters)

 So let me recollect what  this article suggests- Minorities-Hindus- in Balochistan is under assault, their numbers has dwindled down over the years to few thousands. Hindus & other kafirs (as the headline suggests)  in Pakistan are under constant threat and are systematically being driven away-i.e ethnic cleansed. Okay, agreed and thank you OUTLOOK for letting us know.

But hey hold on a sec! Ethnic cleansed by WHOM????Oppressed by whom???Driven away by whom????? You "forgot" to mention that????

Since "secular","liberal"and "politically correct" OUTLOOK has maintained silence over the identity of the oppressors we can safely assume that Phantoms or extra terrestrial aliens are responsible for this crime!!!

I am sure from now on OUTLOOK articles about attacks in Kandammal, Gujrat riots and Samjhutha blasts would also  attribute the blame to nameless Phantoms or ETs instead of attributing them to HINDUs??? !!

 >> How much brains you need to reach that conclusion?

Actually it takes more brain than you would imagine to distinguish between correlation and causation.  That is the confusion in your argument.

The irony is that the people of Balochistan have always had a very secular ethos and minorities had always enjoyed protection under the centuries old tribal dispensation. It is the Pakistani state that has infused fundamentalism into the province in order to further its own ends. An independent Balochistan would be very unlike Pakistan and would be a secular country and a stabalizing factor in the region

Its difficult to save the Hindus of Pakistan and the Tigers of India from their extinction. Pakistan has all but erased its Hindu anscestry and the nation has hardly any remorse left to mourn over this loss.

The Outlook staff and editors are very criticial of Hindus and Hindutva for their intolerance and violence against Indian Muslims. But here no mention of Islam or Islamists being held responsible. Perhaps Outlook can tell us that out of 57 Islamic nations, which ones are truly secular and tolerant of Hindus? Can they name at least 50 percent? If not, does not that mean Islam is intolerant and not secular? How much brains you need to reach that conclusion?

Authorities in Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves for the plight of Balochi Hindus. Protection of minorities must be one of the top priorities of any government. The country has fallen to new depths in every parameter that defines being civilized.

Authorities in Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves for the plight of Balochi Hindus. Protection of minorities must be one of the top priorities of any government. The country has fallen to new depths in every parameter that defines being civilized.

The Outlook staff and editors are very criticial of Hindus and Hindutva for their intolerance and violence against Indian Muslims. But here no mention of Islam or Islamists being held responsible. Perhaps Outlook can tell us that out of 57 Islamic nations, which ones are truly secular and tolerant of Hindus? Can they name at least 50 percent? If not, does not that mean Islam is intolerant and not secular? How much brains you need to reach that conclusion?

Its difficult to save the Hindus of Pakistan and the Tigers of India from their extinction. Pakistan has all but erased its Hindu anscestry and the nation has hardly any remorse left to mourn over this loss.

The irony is that the people of Balochistan have always had a very secular ethos and minorities had always enjoyed protection under the centuries old tribal dispensation. It is the Pakistani state that has infused fundamentalism into the province in order to further its own ends. An independent Balochistan would be very unlike Pakistan and would be a secular country and a stabalizing factor in the region

 >> How much brains you need to reach that conclusion?

Actually it takes more brain than you would imagine to distinguish between correlation and causation.  That is the confusion in your argument.

 So let me recollect what  this article suggests- Minorities-Hindus- in Balochistan is under assault, their numbers has dwindled down over the years to few thousands. Hindus & other kafirs (as the headline suggests)  in Pakistan are under constant threat and are systematically being driven away-i.e ethnic cleansed. Okay, agreed and thank you OUTLOOK for letting us know.

But hey hold on a sec! Ethnic cleansed by WHOM????Oppressed by whom???Driven away by whom????? You "forgot" to mention that????

Since "secular","liberal"and "politically correct" OUTLOOK has maintained silence over the identity of the oppressors we can safely assume that Phantoms or extra terrestrial aliens are responsible for this crime!!!

I am sure from now on OUTLOOK articles about attacks in Kandammal, Gujrat riots and Samjhutha blasts would also  attribute the blame to nameless Phantoms or ETs instead of attributing them to HINDUs??? !!

>>. Protection of minorities must be one of the top priorities of any government.

Pakistan is doing a great job in protecting the rights and cultural heritage of the predominent religious minority of erstwhile undivided India (pre 1947). The mandate of Pakistan is to ensure the same. Pakistan never claimed or said that it was a secular state, it wanted to be a theocratic state from day 1 (notwithstanding the illusions of Jinnah). So clearly this is a case of barking on the wrong tree.

>>.The country has fallen to new depths in every parameter that defines being civilized.

If Arundathi Roy and Geelani have their way and establish their own separate nation in J&K, it will be also a theocratic state with zero space for religious minorities. Kashmir eradicated its religious minorities even when it was part of secular republic of India. If it seceeds, it will prove to be more uncivilized than any nation on planet, including Pakistan. It is another thing that the left liberal media, intellectuals and sympathisers want the same, but they dont say it loudly. For all their evils, one must appreciate the Pakistani Hardliners - they are brutally honest and dont hide their intentions (unlike the Indian Left Liberal Kashmir separatism supporters)

I hate to disturb the prosecution complex that Outlook is trying to further here, but I would like to mention here that every time Indian media has reported on Sikh or Hindu banias leaving Afghanistan, NWFP or Baluchistan, they fail to mention that Punjabi Muslim businessmen are leaving these places with equal speed. Punjabi Muslims are equally hard to find in Quetta and Peshawar. Also, a larger number of these Hindus and Sikhs prefer to go to Karachi or Lahore than India.

Yours truly,

Laxman Jethmalani

The persecution of minorities in Pakistan - or anywhere else, for that matter - is an act of cowards and bigots and needs to be condemned unreservedly.

It happened in Pakistan before 1971,it is happening in bangladesh even today. Same old story,where muslims are majority,there are no room for others. Violent and intolerant people, making other peoples's lives difficult everywhere in the world.

 I think its great that the Hindus are moving out. Regardless of right and wrong, the ground reality is that minorities are not safe. Not even massive minorities like Shias and policemen - so its not just religious either. Basically, in a desperation to 'maintain peace' the Pakistan government has largely turned a blind eye to everything nasty. Be it lynching of two innocent boys, crimes or killings. This maintaining peace also is about going with the Army line - India is a threat, we need weapons, army, jihad, nuclear weapons, more money, blah, blah - till the Nation literally has very little to survive on, which the elite use for themselves.

Pakistan is going to hit rock bottom before it rises again, but miniscule minorities are going to be engulfed in the madness well before that time comes. It is better that they look to their own safety.

On the other hand, this is what the Kashmiri Pandits did, and there doesn't seem to be a good time to return, ever. So its possibly realistic for people to simply move out permanently and get on with their lives rather than hang on to hopes of return.

We know minorities have no place in any Muslim Country,Sharia grants only one fourth weightage to the evidence of a non Muslim  in its legal system .Muslim will claim full rights in other Countries but will give non eto non muslims in their Countreis.Secualrism,Democratic rights,Human rights ,right to limb and life is not for the non muslims in any Muslim Society.

With Arab Countries under turmoil created by Democrats and hardliners Muslim Brother Hood groups the later will finally take over.Then w ewill see the true face of Whabis .Pakistan has destroyed itself so will Arabs .Don't blame Pakis alone.

 How do people in this forum, and the jholawalas in general, explain the absense of 'retaliatory terrorism' by these Hindus, against Moslems and Pakistan. Surely, being forced to move or being abducted for ransom, is an injustice. Why aren't Hindus retaliating the way Moslems are in India?

 George in London, excellent, though politically incorrect. Moslems are indeed violent and intolerant, whether it is Pakistan, Saudi, Somalia or Egypt.They have difficulty acknowledging and respecting the Hindu religion. Let's hope this popular looking uprising in Egypt does not bring fanatical Islamists into office. That would be a shame and a tragedy.

>> Authorities in Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves for the plight of Balochi Hindus

As if you care.

I might have missed whether any body aware what Burney ,Diggi,or Shas ahai Imam or Clergy or any Secular said some sympatheitc words for the Hindus,Sikhs and Christians in Balochistan ?

Poor Manmohan Singh an extremely sensitive gentleman must have  totally lost his sleep on the horrible plight of the Minorities in Pakstan .

the muslims in india must be a worried lot, not beacuse the hindus are facing threats from islamists but are escaping the butchers and not converting to islam.

I think it is really sad for the Hindu minority of Pakistan but not at all surprising. However one must not forget the fundamental differences between India and pakistan. Unlike India Pakistan was created for muslims and can not boast of any security for their own citizens in the current atmosphere. Even  shia muslims  of Pakistan do not feel safe and feel discriminated against. During the partition days predominantly wealthy Hindus were targeted while the lower caste hindus were allowed to stay as they were useful from the doing below dignity work for the locals. One can not expect any thing different from a failed nation. I think the Hindus in pakistan should be allowed to settle in India and they should take up this option readily  as the future for even Pakistani muslim looks bleak.....It just shows that creation of any nation based on religious ideology ( Pakistan probably was created out of the hurt ego of ambitious and widely disliked Jennah) does not prosper .administration based on  religious ideology is sure recipee for failure..sooner or later ! 

It's  obvious that Muslims are violent & brutal. When they are not killing the few minorities in their midst, they are killing each other.We must get our Hindus folks out of Pakistan & settle them in India.The Pakistanis are welcome to have equal or double the number of Muslims in return.

Repeat assertion

I hate to disturb the prosecution complex that Outlook is trying to further here, but I would like to mention here that every time Indian media has reported on Sikh or Hindu banias leaving Afghanistan, NWFP or Baluchistan, they fail to mention that Punjabi Muslim businessmen are leaving these places with equal speed. Punjabi Muslims are equally hard to find in Quetta and Peshawar. Also, a larger number of these Hindus and Sikhs prefer to go to Karachi or Lahore than India.

Yours truly,

Laxman Jethmalani
Last Hindu Standing at the Quetta High Court Bar

Surprised that the kashmiri pandits never formed a terror group despite being kicked out of their homes to refugee camps? We should accept the fact that violence is the last resort of a Hindu & the first of a Moslem

Strange and sad killings of LeT Module Chief Isharat and  Sorabudin Gun Runner of lashkar and IM-SIMMI rogues attact extremel  harsh comments from the Secu  but they become slient on Pandits and cleansing of Minorites in Pakistan and Kashmir.The case True  Fradulent Secular Dharma .

Strange and sad that  killings

corrected

peace 

"We should accept the fact that violence is the last resort of a Hindu & the first of a Moslem
Kiran Voleti"

  Very well said. But self proclaimed secularists and 'objective' commentators will insist on the position that 'both sides' were equally guilty of the 1947 violence, and all violence thereafter.

Ghai,

>>  killings of LeT Module Chief Isharat and Sorabudin Gun Runner of lashkar and IM-SIMMI rogues attact extremel harsh comments from the Secu.

Fake encounter murders of those who are already in police custody must draw harsh comments from all civilized persons.

>> but they become slient on Pandits and cleansing of Minorites in Pakistan and Kashmir.

That is false and vicious.

While we are seeing song and drama of the Secus just have a look how Hidus are being destroyed in Pakistan . Majority in Pakistan under the grab of sharia reduced Christians ,Hindus and Sikhs to near extiction.

None cries for them !

"Pak's Hindu temples turned into picnic spots, hotels

Hindus in Pakistan are watching helplessly as ancient temples turn into ruins due to the apathy of authorities, reports Tahir Ali from Islamabad.
Despite being the second largest ethnic majority in the country, Hindus in Pakistan have been unable to acquire possession of their religious places, agricultural land and other commercial areas. Due to lack of government action, most sacred sites for Hindus are in a dilapidated condition; the rest have been converted into schools, hotels or business centres.
.  A report of the Evacuee Trust Property Board reveals that 135,000 acres of land belonging to Hindu farmers is under the control of ETBP, of which 125,000 acres is fertile and suitable for cultivation. "

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-paks-hindu-temples-turned-into-picnic-spots-hotels/20110224.htm