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Nov 15, 2010
Nougats of Wisdom

It was a great interview with Noam Chomsky (“Media subdues the public”, Nov 1). I believe and fully agree that the English media in Pakistan is more informative, reflective and less biased. I can say so because I read three Pakistani and eight Indian newspapers/magazines on a daily basis. In India, most of the media is geared toward the idea of content and fill, where fill is just to promote content and earn money. No real issue is taken up, most of the media houses suffer from a severe degree of bias, and the analysis and reflective part of news is either missing or poorly done. In fact, opinions are forced upon us. You sometimes see a few sparks but that is to maintain some degree of relevance to promote the business.

Arvind Dahiya, on e-mail

All four pillars of the Indian democracy are corrupt. The media is very prompt in probing corruption in Parliament, administration and judiciary. The big question is who’ll probe corruption in media.

Nitin, Navi Mumbai

Chomsky himself has been a victim of opinion manipulation and was used to manufacture opinion. At the height of the countrywide outrage over the Nandigram massacre, the Indian Communists used him to write an open letter which gave a certificate of good conduct to the perpetrators. It could then well be possible that whoever is in charge of the dirty tricks department in the Pakistani media sneaked into Chomsky’s consciousness and obtained higher vibratory endorsement.

Manish Banerjee, Calcutta

The electronic media is fake and arrogant. You can see it in their eyes and body language. But why blame them, the media is part of the elite power circle and does what it thinks it should do: protect the interests of the elite and powerful. Do not get me wrong. I am not a socialist or a communist or a Maoist sympathiser. I am a hard-core capitalist with a sense of social responsibility.

Arvind Kumar, Leicester, UK

Isn’t it ironic that Noam Chomsky’s interviewers quote from the very paper—the nyt—their subject would categorise as representative of the media establishment? Why did they also not question him rather than just record his opinions? Much is made of Pakistan’s “vibrant press” and based entirely on a comparison of its English-language press with its Indian counterpart. In fact, however, the press in Pakistan, especially the English one, reaches a smaller proportion of the population than does India’s. And in India, the English-language press isn’t the only game in town. There’s the regional press which looks like it will dwarf the English-language press in the near future, and local English newspapers such as Chennai’s News Today, Bombay’s Midday and several others, not to count the local broadsheets. And then we have innumerable blogs, the most prominent among them being the Indian National Interest blog founded by strategic affairs scholar Nitin Pai and economist J. Ananthanageshwaran, which has now gone on to launch a print magazine, Pragati, available free online. Not to forget rediff.com which features stories you don’t read anywhere, with on-the-spot reportage from all over the country. In these publications, no issue is taboo, be it religion, politics, economics or social relations, all of them are analysed, criticised, pilloried and even junked. In contrast, it is in staid old newspapers like the Hindu and its stablemate Frontline that propaganda dressed up as reportage gets fair play. No one is fooled by the panegyrics Hindu editor N. Ram pens every now and then to the Chinese administration. Has Chomsky read his report on the Tiananmen massacre? The Pak press in contrast is a creature of the elite, because in that country even politics is not a mass phenomenon, simply a means for the oligarchs and military to trade places. We don’t need Chomsky to tell us how to run a free press.

D. Anjaneya, Chennai

Chomsky, Jaffrelot et al have no connect with the present-day Hindu. I’ve been a subscriber for over three decades and it had always been a pleasure reading the crisp editorials and balanced reports. But, of late, I find the paper has become a mouthpiece of the party in power, especially in Tamil Nadu. The editor may have his compulsions, but it’s the reader who’s bearing the brunt.

S. Sridharan, Coimbatore

Why did Chomsky not name Outlook as one of the best publications in India? It’s one of my favourite magazines.

Hemraj Muniram, Toronto

To say that the Indian press is the most free and vibrant in the developing world is delusional. It’s very difficult to sift the real news from the frothy write-ups on the corporate world, celebrities, lifestyle and the indigenous innovation—paid news. Chomsky’s observation on Pakistan’s English press is not off the mark. Despite its limited reach, it relentlessly critiques the functioning of the institutions and has a sharper focus on bread-and-butter issues.

Srinath Mitta, Hyderabad

Noam Chomsky is what one hopes Arundhati Roy will be like when she is 82.

Ashok Lal, Mumbai

“The man nyt called ‘arguably the most important intellectual alive’ finds the media in Pakistan more vibrant than it is in India.” Where in the interview has Chomsky said that?

Bittu Nayyar, New Delhi

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Nov 29, 2010
No Half-Truths

The Chomsky interview (Media Subdues the Public, Nov 1) made sumptuous reading.  There is no doubt that the axis of state power and private enterprises have been doing their best to damage the neutrality of liberal media across the globe. The readers are made to believe half-truths and no-truths as full-truths.

Bichu Muttathara, Pune
Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-81
Oct 23, 2010
06:30 PM
Noam Chomsky is what one hopes Arundhati Roy will be like when she is 82.
ashok lal
mumbai, India
2/D-89
Oct 23, 2010
07:30 PM
"The man NYT called “arguably the most important intellectual alive” finds the media in Pakistan more vibrant than it is in India"

I realise this subheading is designed to make you read this article. But how is Chomsky able to tell this? You must understand Pakistan really well to say their media is more intellectually vibrant, or whatever. What are they omitting? What are they including? Its not easy to tell.

I don't think this man is qualified to say so, despite being the "most important intellectual alive".

Then on reading the article we find that Chomsky only indirectly makes this claim. At least he is honest enough to imply that he hasn't spent enough time on the job. And lets face it, imagine what the jholawallahs would be feeding him.

"I spent three weeks in India and a week in Pakistan. A friend of mine here, Iqbal Ahmed, told me that I would be surprised to find that the media in Pakistan is more open, free and vibrant than that in India."

For a magazine discussing integrity in the press, this is a poor show
MK Saini
Delhi, India
3/D-97
Oct 23, 2010
08:52 PM
Well said MK Saini. Yes, it was a very sweeping statement about the Indian media vis-a-vis the Pakistani. The Indian media is vast and diverse, including "India Today", "Indian Express" CNN-IBN, NDTV, rediff.com, Frontline, Pioneer, the Telegraph etc. How Chomsky can make such an unqualified( though to be fair, it was more by indirection) remark is astounding. India's press is generally known to be the freest and most vibrant in Asia and the developing world.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
4/D-102
Oct 23, 2010
09:18 PM
"The man NYT called “arguably the most important intellectual alive” finds the media in Pakistan more vibrant than it is in India"

Will these cucumbers who wrote the above text please show where in the interview Chomsky has said the above mentioned.
Bittu Nayyar
New Delhi, India
5/D-9
Oct 24, 2010
02:56 AM
>> "The media in India is free, the government doesn’t have the power to control it. But what I saw was that it was pretty restricted, very narrow and provincial and not very informative, leaving out lots of things... There are very good things in the Indian media, specially the Hindu and a couple of others."

"Pretty restricted", Mr Chomsky's words, is putting it mildly. I would call it suffocative.

>> "The Washington Post did a good thing to write about the Watergate scandal, but I can hardly regard it as requiring great courage."

So to Chomsky courage is the prime quality of good journalism. I think Tilak's "Kesari" and "The Maratha" were good examples. Although no one in this forum will agree with me, I think Arundahti Roy and Saba Naqvi are among our more fearless writers today.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
6/D-22
Oct 24, 2010
06:10 AM
Great interview

I would like to highlight few points.

1- I believe and fully agree with the comments that English media in Pakistan is more informative, less biased and reflective. I can say so because I read 3 Pakistani and 8 Indian newspaper/magazines on daily basis.

2 - In India most of the media is geared toward the idea of content( advert) and fill where fill is just to promote the content and earn money.

3 - Most of the time I do not see real issue coming up in Indian media. Most of the media houses sufferes from severe degree of bias.

4 - Analysis and reflective part of news ehither missing or very badly done. Media houses are just too busy making money. Some time you see few sparks and that is to maintian a some degree of relevence to promote the business.


5 - Oinions are forced upon us and this is clearly evident in the comment section of this article.

6 - last but not the least - Why someone is comparing a attention seeking idiot Arundatti Roy to N Chomsky.

Great article and again well done Outlook.

Arvind Dahiya


Electronic media is so fake and arrogant. You can see that in their eyes and body language. they are so shamless that they do not even try to hide their arrogance.

But why to blame, media is part of the elite power circle and they are doing what they think they should do - Proctect the interest fi elite and powerful.

Do not take me wrong as soclialist or communist or Moaist sympathiser. I am a hard core capitalist with social responsibility.
ARVIND KUMAR
Leicester, United Kingdom
7/D-24
Oct 24, 2010
07:02 AM
--"Do not take me wrong as soclialist or communist or Moaist sympathiser."

I didnt. Point #6 was a dead give-away.

--"I am a hard core capitalist with social responsibility."

How does this work ? Hard core capitalists have been raping the planet without a break for 200 years or more while throwing a few scraps in the name of social responsibility.

I totally agree with the rest of your post though for whatever its worth. I think Pakistani media is like Indian media before the onslaught of hard-core Capitalism in India two decades ago.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
8/D-25
Oct 24, 2010
07:05 AM
--"So to Chomsky courage is the prime quality of good journalism."

Anwar ... courage should be the quality of good journalism everywhere and not just for Chomsky. His (and Ed Hermans) masterpiece 'Manufacturing Consent' was probably the first book that tore apart the holy mask of Corporate Media.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
9/D-33
Oct 24, 2010
08:20 AM
If any non-Muslim does not hate Muslims and Islam or even Muslims do not develop second thoughts about other Muslims and Islam, I would call them abnormal people after reading, watching and listening to Indian media. Put on a comment in the newspapers like Times and Express would be equivalent to buying rafel ticket for any Muslim unless those comments meet the criterion set by them. The Dichotomy between what the press is reporting and what actually happening on the street is so devastatingly confusing that our society has become confused, perplexed and more so unable to grasp even the basic criteron a human mind can think. As if we are comprehensively taken over by few elites.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
10/D-35
Oct 24, 2010
08:35 AM
Freedom of thought has become so selective that throw a word to further research holocaust or the issues like 9/11 is tantamount to be equaivalent to treachory. When Bush introduced "Patriot Bill", naturally anybody opposing it is an unpatriotic person. Ministers lost their jobs and labelled as traitors when they advocate in 2001 to have talks with Taliban!!! Vow. Today, Americans are in full swing talking to Taliban. Today's international reports are coming that Americans have already accepted their defeat unofficially though, and Taliban will take over Afghinstan back. Imagine, if we ask our Indian government to start talking with Taliban instead of tailing behind Americans, instantly somebody will call us traitor or some kind of jerk. Any time, Americans will start leaving Afghanistan from now. Like in Vietnam, they took 2 years for a shameful face saving pull back. The tragedy is where are we standing today as Indians! Will Taliban controlled Afghanistan trust us? Will they deal with us? This is what happens when we revoke the true freedom of speech and thought. Don't talk about this 11 or that 11, but you are free to make mockery of Christ or Ram or Mohammad, no problem sir. And when you get little agitated, you are all of a sudden an extremist and outdated idiot coming out from some mountains. Can anybody imagine, not only America, whoose defence budget is trillion per year has lost two wars already? Not only that, America is about to disintegrate into pieces like Soviets once the support of China and Saudi Arabia stops in the financial matters. Where is Helen Thomos today! The most senior and respected white house reporter. Her fault? She asked Israelis to go back to your places! She lost the job instantly. The same thing happened to Rick Shancez of CNN when he mildly murmered something about Jews.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
11/D-36
Oct 24, 2010
08:42 AM
To give you an idea of the high degree of freedom the media in India enjoys, and also its vibrancy and liveliness, there was many years ago an article in the( now defunct) Illustrated Weekly of India. It was called "The Legacy of Gandhi", and guess who wrote it? An ethnic Pakistani settled in the UK! The article was a hard hitting critique of someone who is considered one of the founders of modern India, Gandhi.

That is not one, but two serious alarms that would have gone off in just about any country: A Pakistani, someone from a country India has had generally unpleasant relations, and the UK, the former colonial ruler of India.

Yet, it was the magazine's front page cover story.

The Indian media has lost none of its vibrancy and liveliness in the following years, so what are Chomsky and his Pakistani associate talking about?
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
12/D-42
Oct 24, 2010
10:01 AM
Noam Chomsky himself is a victim of opinion manupulation & was used to manufacture opinion. At height of the countrywise outrage over the Nandigram massacre, the Indian communists used him to write an open letter which gave a good conduct certficate to the perpretrators. So is it possible that whoever is in charge of the dirty tricks department in the Pakistani media sneaked in to Chomsky's consiousness & obtained higher vibratory endorsement ?
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
13/D-59
Oct 24, 2010
12:41 PM
The recent fake-rage that was fed to us during the CWG was an example of how the media in India is dead. A negative image was created and then they blamed everyone else for it.
The really stupid act came when at the successful conclusion of the games some of the media people wrote articles about how India was incorrectly represented in the International media and how it was biased. I laughed so hard I cried. You have no morals, no conscience and no shame.

The CWG campaign was a concerted, pre-conceived & obnoxious campaign run by a media which was perhaps not entertained properly (the cold drink at the press conference was perhaps not cold enough and the samosas were perhaps stale).

The Indian media is represented by the likes of Tehelka, The Hindu etc.
The others are just better versions of Manohar Kahaniyaan.
Ankur Bhardwaj
Rohtak, India
14/D-76
Oct 24, 2010
01:41 PM
The irony here is Outlook which is a chief propaganda machine for Congress publishing Chomsky interview. The fact that Indian media has an extremist secular view and cannot contemplate an alternate vision of secularism is in itself a testimony to what Chomsky states. In the same way that American media does not say the Iraqi invasion is a criminal aggression our media does not say a word against the Muslim Appeasement, Hanging of Afzal Guru, The Batla House encounter, Naxalism and a host of other issues. It is fashionable and remunerative to cater to the liberal agenda in the guise of being secular to the complete obliteration of duties and responsibilities of an independent media. The Liberal face of media in our case is a manufactured front to cater to vote bank politics of Congress - the chief beneficiary of media servility. That Outlook, a Congress pamphlet should publish Chomsky is the most hypocritical act.

@ Ashok Lal, I certainly hope your wish does not come true! The day she dies is a day of good riddance for this country and a cause for celebration.
Srinivas
Lucknow, iNDIA
15/D-80
Oct 24, 2010
02:44 PM
>>I think Pakistani media is like Indian media before the onslaught of hard-core Capitalism in India two decades ago>>

can't agree more...i stopped taking indian papers seriously in the 90's..the ONLY large scale newsmagazine in India that is a worthwhile read is the OUTLOOK..on a smaller scale there are other goods ones, TEHELKA being one of them
yasser
dubai, uae
16/D-82
Oct 24, 2010
02:46 PM
by the way i'm referring to the pakistani english media..their urdu media, which has almost 90% of the market is trash...
yasser
dubai, uae
17/D-110
Oct 24, 2010
06:13 PM
I'm wondering why Noam Chomsky didn't name OUTLOOK INDIA as one of the best publications in India. It's one of my favourite mags.
Hemraj Muniram
Toronto, Canada
18/D-131
Oct 24, 2010
10:22 PM
"I totally agree with the rest of your post though for whatever its worth. I think Pakistani media is like Indian media before the onslaught of hard-core Capitalism in India two decades ago."

This is simply nonsense. The media in India 2 decades ago was basically reprinting government press releases. The articles used to be riddled with the government acronymns. Quite comical in a way.

The only saving grace was a bit of informed commentary here and there. There was a general air of stifling conformity. Somethings could not be challenged (e.g. the Nehruvian model)

Overtime the press matured, and it is immensely diverse compared to 2 decades ago.
MK Saini
Delhi, India
19/D-140
Oct 24, 2010
11:34 PM
--"This is simply nonsense. The media in India 2 decades ago was basically reprinting government press releases."

And currently it broadcasts the same. Two decades ago print media was the only avenue available. Comparing todays print media to that of two decades ago is the only valid comparison. Broadcast Media is another story altogether. No one in their right senses will compare Doordarshan to the plethora of options today. Same applies to Online Media as well which was non-existent then.

As far as Print Media goes The Hindu was and is an excellent reference point. The Indian Express used to be an outstanding investigative journalistic experience at one time. The list is pretty long and they were not Corporate owned behemoths.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
20/D-5
Oct 25, 2010
12:30 AM
"Comparing todays print media to that of two decades ago is the only valid comparison."

I agree and that was what I was trying to compare. But consider a typical event reported in a serious newspaper:

Minister announces some stupid scheme, or

Foreign minister goes to China, or some country


20 - 25 yrs ago the press would report this as fact(which it is) and reprint the Ministers speech, which was the usual platitudes. Like something out of Pravda. Really boring and not very helpfull.

today we have a bigger civil society, who can write a sophisticated critique of the visit. And there can be many differing views. Corporate media or not, there is a huge difference. There are so many things that went unchallenged in the 1980s that would not be glossed over today.

Today of course the media also includes pop culture and celebrity, which is in a symbiotic relationship with Bollywood and Kollywood and wherever films are made. But that is a different affair.

Please note that I don't beleive the media is in a perfect state. But relatively speaking, it is better than it was. That is all you can hope for
MK Saini
Delhi, India
21/D-7
Oct 25, 2010
12:34 AM
Isn't it ironic that the authors of this article are quoting from the very paper - NYT - their subject would categorize as representative of the media establishment? I am not sure why the Anuradha and Ajaz did not question Chomsky and simply recorded his opinions. Much is made of Pakistan's "vibrant press" and entirely based on a comparison of the English language press of Pakistan with its Indian counterpart. This is a mistake. The press in Pakistan, especially the English press reaches a smaller proportion of the population than does India's. Secondly India's English language press isn't the only game in town. There's the Indian language press which looks like it will dwarf the English language press in the not too distant future, and then local English newspapers such as Chennai's News Today, Bombay's Midday, and several others, not to count the local broadsheets. And then we have innumerable blogs, the most prominent among them being the Indian National Interest blog founded by strategic affairs scholar Nitin Pai and the economist J. Ananthanageshwaran, which has now gone on to launch a print magazine, Pragati, which is available for free online. And not to forget Rediff.com whihc features stories you can't read anywhere with on the spot reportage from all over the country. In these publications there are no issues that are taboo, religion, politics, economics, social relations,all of them, are analyzed, criticized, pilloried and even junked. In contrast it is the staid old newspapers like The Hindu and its stablemate Frontline that propaganda dressed up as reportage obtains fair play. Is Chomsky or his interviewers forgetting the panegyrics that The Hindu's editor, N.Ram pens every now and then to the Chinese administration. Did Chomsky ever read Ram's report of the Tian-an-men massacre? The Pakistani press in contrast is a creature of the elite, because in that country even politics is not a mass phenomenon, simply a means for the oligarchs and military to trade places.
We don't need Chomsky to tell us how to run a free press.
D. Anjaneya
Chennai, India
22/D-18
Oct 25, 2010
02:03 AM
To say that the Indian Press is the most free and vibrant in the developing world is delusional.Very difficult to sift the real news from the frothy writeups on corporate world, celebrities,lifestyle and the indigenous innovation - Paid News. Chomsky's observation on Pakistan's English press is not off the mark. Despite its limited reach, it relentlessly critiques the functioning of the institutions and has a sharper focus on bread and butter issues.
srinath
hyderabad, India
23/D-23
Oct 25, 2010
02:18 AM
saini--"20 - 25 yrs ago the press would report this as fact(which it is) and reprint the Ministers speech, which was the usual platitudes. Like something out of Pravda. "

Its the difference between reporting the news and voicing an opinion. Two very different things like the 'WIRES' section in this very 'zine and its articles. But the Pravda comparison is pretty apt.

srinath--"Chomsky's observation on Pakistan's English press is not off the mark. Despite its limited reach, it relentlessly critiques the functioning of the institutions and has a sharper focus on bread and butter issues."

I agree. There are less compromised Indian media outlets that do the same but they are not pervasive and are overshadowed by their glamorous peers. I dont have too much of an insight into vernacular Media but i do remember several hard-hitting articles that created a stir in several large South Indian states in the past. Im sure this has been studied in detail somewhere but im unaware of it.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
24/D-25
Oct 25, 2010
02:24 AM
Dear Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa.

Thanks for the comments. Why all Maoist and murderers in the name of a philosophy are right and why a hardworking entrepreneur and honest capitalist have to be a bad person?

1- Everyone has there own definition of capitalism and there is no set way to use this economic model. World in not always black and white and millions of grey shades do exist in this world.

2 - For me Greed is not equal to capitalism. Social responsibility is not throwing peanuts but it is way of structuring organisation for the section of society ignored by “Casino Capitalists”, but in a financially viable way. Charity makes people dependent and we do not believe in that. We respect people’ desire to make this world a better place to live for them and others. We would like to work with them and that’s what we call socially responsible capitalism.

Speaking against state and romanticising gun culture is always helps to garb headlines but that is not always right. I believe Miss Roy would not appreciate gun culture if that happens next to her posh residence or if she feels unsafe going to highly paid crap lectures.

Every person has there own definition of right and wrong but there are certain acts which are wrong, for example killing in the name of communism or killing innocent in the so called larger interest of state( or in other words interest of some corporate houses and of course ruling class ). But I believe this world is not a fair place and will not be a 100 % fair place. We all need to adapt and do our best to promote fairness and equal opportunity for all.

Arvind
ARVIND KUMAR
Leicester, United Kingdom
25/D-41
Oct 25, 2010
06:15 AM
Capitalism is filth while entrepreunership is blessings. Trading is blessings. Traders, businessmen, entrepreuners create jobs while capitalists sucks the blood of the people.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
26/D-42
Oct 25, 2010
06:21 AM
When Norman Finklestein, the Jewish ex-professor of Chicago University started to tore apart Zionists, and before doing that he has contacted Noam Chomsky, and he got a simple message from Chomsky, you will loose your bread and butter. His contract was never renewed. He is working currently in a day care center in New York. His crime - speak up and stand up against Zionisim. Him and Chomsky are not even allowed to enter into Israel today. Mind it, Norman Finkelstein has lost almost all his ancestors in Hitler's Poland. Yet, he is an outcast in the main media. He normally appears on RT TV. Google and find it out.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
27/D-54
Oct 25, 2010
09:20 AM
Shuja i am very familiar with Finkelstein's bold and courageous stand against Israeli apartheid even at the risk of losing everything. We need more Finkelsteins, Roys and Chomskys.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
28/D-79
Oct 25, 2010
12:34 PM
Outlook publishing interview describing "virtues of Liberal unbiased journalism"!!!
It's like Satan preaching the bible, Or Casanova preaching virtues of Celibacy!!!
I really admire the temerity & audacity of the EDITOR.
Whoof whoof.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
29/D-80
Oct 25, 2010
12:34 PM
Outlook publishing interview describing "virtues of Liberal unbiased journalism"!!!
It's like Satan preaching the bible, Or Casanova preaching virtues of Celibacy!!!
I really admire the temerity & audacity of the EDITOR.
Whoof whoof.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
30/D-81
Oct 25, 2010
12:34 PM
Outlook publishing interview describing "virtues of Liberal unbiased journalism"!!!
It's like Satan preaching the bible, Or Casanova preaching virtues of Celibacy!!!
I really admire the temerity & audacity of the EDITOR.
Whoof whoof.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
31/D-117
Oct 25, 2010
06:40 PM
D. Ananjeya of Chennai, that was an incisive post. Very true about the vastness of the Indian media, including the internet, TV, blogs and Indian language publications, apart from English language ones.

"The Pakistani press in contrast is a creature of the elite, because in that country even politics is not a mass phenomenon, simply a means for the oligarchs and military to trade places"

Brilliant! Before commending the Pakistani media, people should understand this idea. And always bearing in mind that the 'media' they are talking about has very limited circulation and influence, as far as politics and ideology go.

M.K Saini, do you remember the "Illustrated Weekly of India' and some of the fantastic articles they published? Particularly when Pritish Nandy was the editor in the 1980's. That surely was not a repository of government press releases!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
32/D-121
Oct 25, 2010
07:19 PM
"But what I saw was that it was pretty restricted, very narrow and provincial and not very informative, leaving out lots of things. What I saw was a small sample. There are very good things in the Indian media, specially the Hindu and a couple of others."

Hindu ! What else is expected from a closet communist ? Isn't it funny that commies like him and his protege Arundhati talk about media freedom when none of the communist regimes that they admire, never allow it. And we are expected to take these hypocrites seriously. Chomsky should concentrate more on his academic subject where he is one of the best. He should advise his protege also to stick to fiction writing.
Maha
NJ, United States
33/D-122
Oct 25, 2010
07:20 PM
My previous post should read

"none of the communist regimes that they admire, allow it."

instead of

"none of the communist regimes that they admire, never allow it.
Maha
NJ, United States
34/D-134
Oct 25, 2010
08:28 PM
"But what I saw was that it was pretty restricted, very narrow and provincial and not very informative, leaving out lots of things."

Is that why the dude supported the commie govt in Nandigram? His rationale in supporting the commies over the people was that the worldwide leftist movement should not be disintegrated. He was willing to shove truth to the great cause of "unity".

And this is the guy to talk about media fairness and all.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
35/D-164
Oct 25, 2010
10:57 PM
Shuja,
Dont comment here after reading quran. Muslims have killed almost every original jews. the present jews, the askenazi are not jews but indo europeans who converted 1000 years back.

You always have this rant. When i replied to you in scent of batrayel about your claims of mass killings of dalits, chriatians and buddhs you didnt bother to reply
Identity lost
vanuatu, Vanuatu
36/D-167
Oct 25, 2010
10:59 PM
Why take chaomsky seriously? he is 82 and his brain has deteriorated. Pakistani media as more free? The same media who writes that India lost in 71 war? Paki journalists are usually on payroll of ISI.
Identity lost
vanuatu, Vanuatu
37/D-13
Oct 26, 2010
02:23 AM
Identity Lost (to Shuja),

>> Dont comment here after reading quran.

What a rude and ill-bred manner of addressing a fellow poster!

>> Muslims have killed almost every original jews.

That is sheer ignorance. Even Jewish authors acknowledge that Jews were treated a lot better by Muslims in the past 1,000 years than they were treated by Europeans. You are a wretched taqiya expert!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
38/D-23
Oct 26, 2010
04:50 AM
--"Why take chaomsky seriously? he is 82 and his brain has deteriorated. "

Judging by your posts you are 12 and your brain has deteriorated.
Cata Maran
Soccer City, South Africa
39/D-62
Oct 26, 2010
10:05 AM
All four pillers of Indian democracy i.e. Parliament, Administration, Judiciary and Media are corrupt.Media is very promt to probe the corruption in parliament, Administration and Judiciary. The big question is who will probe corruption in media.
Nitin
navi-Mumbai, India
40/D-65
Oct 26, 2010
10:25 AM
"Chomsky should concentrate more on his academic subject where he is one of the best." Maha, NJ

Actually he hasn't done any significant research in linguistics since the late 60's. I guess cheering on the likes of the Khmer Rouge and biting the hand that feeds him takes up too much time.
Fedup Indian
Hyderabad, India
41/D-90
Oct 26, 2010
01:44 PM
He' true ... look at most newspapers ... they are all content & fill ... The Hindu & Frontline, DNA are the exceptions, among the best newspapers giving news, though The Hindu by its own admission is a left-leaning newspaper ......... personally I prefer the Hindu to the rest. The Indian Express/New IE is also good though the news is more condensed.
hari
chennai, India
42/D-105
Oct 26, 2010
03:46 PM
"Even Jewish authors acknowledge that Jews were treated a lot better by Muslims in the past 1,000 years than they were treated by Europeans"

Here is an article posted by JM Smith written by David Kertzer

http://www.nytimes.c...-of-ancient-lies.htm

From the above web site.

"In fact, in the medieval period Islamic societies were more hospitable to Jews and viewed them more positively than did Christian Europe."
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
43/D-106
Oct 26, 2010
03:48 PM
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
44/D-171
Oct 26, 2010
10:26 PM
If one looks at news, then news is how one communicates one's perception to the self. Now, what comes first, the communication or the perception? The viewer, or the reader, is free to interpret one's perception of the news as one see's appropriate. How one communicates is very unimportant, but how one perceives the communication is what makes the difference. If people are cynical about their perceptions, in the United States, then who are perceiving? They can choose to perceive differently, or find different avenues of perception, if they so choose. The newspaper cannot force you to see it's point of view. I can just stop reading the newspaper. The newspaper is required, whether one is cynical towards the newspaper, or whether one reads it for enjoyment. If the newspaper is not required, but is a facet of a multi-dimentional then both the newspaper and the reader are in place.
Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
45/D-10
Oct 27, 2010
12:37 AM
Anwaar,

You should ask first shuja why he is blaming jews? Just because prophet didnt like them jews are only 1.3 crores while muslims are 200 crores.

"Back in time, during the 11th century, Ashkenazi Jews only consisted of about 3 % of the Jewish population in the world but now days they consist of about 80 % of the world's Jewish population." from http://www.jsingles....ashkenazi_sephardic/

Sephardic jews are original arab jews while ashkenazi are later convert from khazar kingdom from southern russia.

And whats point in raising issue of jews here? I thought you will oppose shuja in this respect. Your statement about jews were treated lot better by muslims is straight taqiyya which is circulates in your blood.
Identity lost
vanuatu, Vanuatu
46/D-24
Oct 27, 2010
01:12 AM
Identity Lost,

>> jews are only 1.3 crores while muslims are 200 crores.

Jews do not allow non-Jews to become Jews, except in very special circumstances. No people killed as many Jews as Europeans.

>> Your statement about jews were treated lot better by muslims is straight taqiyya.

You are a habitual and vicious taqiya practioner. Read comment number 42. Also read the following article by Prof Cohen of Princeton University who is a Jew:

http://www.freechoudhury.com/images/Myth.htm
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
47/D-25
Oct 27, 2010
01:14 AM
Paste the URL in my last post in your address bar.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
48/D-103
Oct 28, 2010
08:14 AM
The existence of Jews is contingent upon the existence of Muslims. 800 years in Spain, Muslims protected Jews. Then 600 years in Turkey, the same story repeated. Who is supposed to kill 6 million Jews, European Christians! By the way, what is the hope of the unity of Hindus as a culture, Muslims again? Remove Muslims, Hindus will be divided back to 200 mini kingdoms demolishing each other’s temples and idols. Had not the existence of Muslims in India, first of all, all the aboriginals, that is dalits would have vanished by series of genocides. 1000 year rule of Muslims protected Dalits. Since 1947, enmity and false propaganda and false history is written against Muslims to unite Hindus, otherwise, 200 mini-kingdoms would have erupted all over the country. I am still critical of Muslims that they should have liberated dalits completely during their dominance. Many dalits told this personally.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
49/D-110
Oct 28, 2010
08:43 AM
Yes Shuja, Moslems always have such noble motives for invading other countries, other cultures. And they are so generous for killing all the people in the countries they invade. Hindus should be very grateful to the gracious Islamic marauders for not slaughtering them, and leaving so many alive. Nice invaders.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
50/D-242
Oct 28, 2010
11:17 PM
In order to run their 24 hour cable news, every news outlet is indulging in highly sensational news, high on empty rhetoric with no substance. And as long a people through out the world are willing to watch it, sensational news would not change.
Indian media in particular is losing its sheen very quickly, it burst on the scene with good independent news but over the last decade corporate houses are fine tuning it to their liking. It was almost embarrassing to watch Prannoy Roy interviewing David Cameron in India. Mr. Roy was bending over backwards to make Mr. Cameron express his views in a certain way. When Mr. Cameron was unwilling to oblidge, he rephrased the question and when even then he did not oblige, then Mr. Roy expressed his view and asked whether he would or would not agree. It will take us another few generations to get rid of the colonial mindset.
Mr.Chomsky has opened a window of opportunity for the people through out the world to think and understand the world which the corporate power finds deplorable. The common masses are not supposed to think, they are supposed to follow order.
umar
San Francisco, United States
51/D-5
Oct 30, 2010
01:50 AM
can't agree more...i stopped taking indian papers seriously in the 90's..the ONLY large scale newsmagazine in India that is a worthwhile read is the OUTLOOK..on a smaller scale there are other goods ones, TEHELKA being one of them
yasser
dubai, uae

I agree with you about not taking Indian newspapers seriously (TOI probably is the worst in terms of content and presentation). Tehelka certainly has credibility.
But please don't give Outlook a merit certificate - it used to a good magazine with independent opinion- but over the years Mr. Mehta has converted it a mouthpiece for Congress.
I would any day vote for Saamna - which does not pretend not to be a mouthpiece for Shiv Sena. A magazine's stated agenda would always be better than its hidden agenda when a reader is looking for facts and not one sided sanitized views.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
52/D-21
Oct 30, 2010
03:46 AM
People sometimes took me wrong, for their customized reasons. I am not a fan of any Muslim emporar of India. They were good and bad. For example, Alaahuddin's able general malikafur was instrumental in uniting India. In his reign, the emporer would cut the hands of anybody who deviates his economical policies. What is sold in Kerala would be sold in Punjab at the same price. Sher Shah has given us postal system. Many of them did not follow Islamic tenants since they were dictators, not leaders. They were geared towards establishing their own thrones rather than introducing universial Islamic values. They were conqurers of lands, not hearts. Why Shah Jehan wasted millions in building Taj Mahal. I would not support that. First panipat was fought between two Muslim kings - that is the proof that it is not the matter of Hindus or Muslims. Hindu kings or rajas or Muslim emporers were there just to hold on to power, they were never the leaders of independence movement. Again, I travel the world on business, I deal with all the faith groups, I live in an area that is consists of all the faith groups. I will never buy my residence where only Muslims or only Hindus resides. I don't hate anybody. I trust many Hindus and Christians more than Muslims. However, I profoundly beleives that Indian history has to be corrected. The current history is designed by Brahmins to serve their interest, nothing else my friend. Also, Hindu nationalism, Christian nationalism or Jewish nationalism - all are bad. The worst among all the nationalisms is Muslim nationalim. Why? Because I sincerely beleive that Islam is the only relgiion that can provide dignity to the human kind above the level of race, religion. When Muslim abandon the Glorious Qur'an and adopted Muslim nationalism, then it is the worst thing to happen on this planet. I am more nervous and afraid of Muslim nationalim since I see the demise of Universal Islamic Values. The Muslim Naionalism is poison. It is a gutter.
Shuja
New Delhi, India
53/D-106
Oct 30, 2010
04:51 PM
It seem that the arguments are derailing. Any word of praise or protection for Muslims in Indian media will result in furor of anti-Muslim comments. That indicates how an average reader thinks. It is obviously the result of corruption of Indian minds by Hindu nationalism. The word terrorist has become synonymous to Muslims. Say a word about Hindu terrorism and you will hear a thousand abuses as if a Hindu can never be a thief, a lier, a killer, a cheater, a terrorists... All Hindus are saints and angels. Only Muslims are criminal! Great! This is what you call open-minds!
Asadul Gaba
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
54/D-54
Nov 05, 2010
11:47 AM
The Interview “Media Subdues The Public made intelligent and sumptuous reading. The dissident intellectual Noam Chomsky aptly, though uncharitably said that media subdues the citizens. This is an unpalatable truth today’s media men must endorse to their dislike. But, then this is an issue beyond the comprehension of common readers who are today more swayed by sleaze than by serious issues pertaining to the people. The celebrity news has more readers than ever before. So is the sex-content.
There is hardly any doubt that the axis of state-power and the private-enterprises have been doing their best to damage the neutrality of the liberal Media across the globe. Even in the so-called liberal societies, media has caved in to the agenda and the brute power of the twin- evils of journalism – state-power and the private-enterprises. The increasing advertiser-reliance of the media has been the bane. The readers are made to believe half-truths and no-truths as full-truths. Today, readers have little choice about what they should read what they should not. Instead, the media barons in tandem with the state machinery and the business houses deice the news-worthiness.
Ironically, the same edition of Outlook carried a couple of Twin-pages of Outlook Spotlight disguised and neatly packed as though these were news content.
Bichu Muttathara
Pune, India
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