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I first read the news on January 6: “Ahmadi leader shot dead in Ferozewala,” and “Victim’s son claims police took no action despite being intimated about threats”...


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1/D-10
Jun 04, 2010
02:57 AM
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-28
Jun 04, 2010
06:33 AM
I feel the heart wrenching anguish and sorrow that the author has about the incidents desribed in this article. However, it was interesting and illuminating to read the translation of the message to Ummah quoted by the author. Nothing could be more direct, clearer and simpler if one is a staunch believer. And combine that with the dogma that the message of Qoran as universal and for all times and that it was revealed to the final prophet, and it is the literal word of God, what else do you expect? To say otherwise is just to bury ones head in the sands and deny the obvious. And let us not forget that the Sirat(biography of the prophet) and Hadiths describe much worse and heinous murders and genocides. If one condones or justifies those under whatever pretext, then what moral authority does he have to condemn the acts described in this article?
T. Nayak
Washington, United States
3/D-40
Jun 04, 2010
08:37 AM
>> interesting and illuminating to read the translation of the message to Ummah quoted by the author.....combine that with the dogma that the message of Qoran.

Believed only by jehadi mullahs, Al-Qaeda, sanghis and zionists!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
4/D-44
Jun 04, 2010
08:51 AM
Dear Mr Nayak,

I don't read the comments on essays after the first day, and until now had never responded to anyone. But your comment hurt me, because it would only lead to the usual exchanges between private agendas I'm so accustomed to seeing. Please, if you feel sympathy for the Ahmadis, and I'm sure you do, bear also in mind their suffering for their faith -- i.e. Islam. They deserve some respect, as does their religion. Also, that there are millions of Muslims everywhere who use their religion to become better human beings. Surely they must have found something in Islam.
C. M. Naim
Bara Banki, India
5/D-64
Jun 04, 2010
11:24 AM
Respected C M Naim sahib is a well respected Author and we always eagerly read his essays which are full of valuable information .My submission is that he should have clarified that the 'the Quran’s Message to the Muslim Ummah" as painted on the Board is the incorrect interpretation of the message of the Holy Book.

I have read the well articulated essay couple of times.My suggestion and submission is a rejoinder or clarification may be issued negating 'the message to Ummah' which is in any case the wrong interpretation of the holy Book.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
6/D-77
Jun 04, 2010
01:10 PM
"Half Muslims and Non Muslims: Farzana Versey

Born in the Ismaili faith, I have been quite accustomed to the ‘aadha Mussalman’ (half Muslim) tag. Members of the community are none the worse for it. However, I cannot understand the attitude towards Ahmadis in Pakistan. Ismailis have a living Imam, yet they are not considered a minority.

Why is this so? Is it because the Aga Khan Foundations help many people in developing countries? So does the Red Cross. Is it because the Ismailis are more interested in trade than the Taliban? This could be said of most people in any society."

http://pakteahouse.w...4/a-column-shackled/

In the issues pertaining to India all Pakistanis are doggedly anti India.HOWEVER it is not vice versa.Next to India the Pakistanis hate themselves more viscously.The hatred becomes so frenzied that Pakistanis don't shirk in fratricide.Forget 1971 from which Pakistanis learnt nothing.After that it was creation of Mujahids , Talibs and Lashkars for India and Afghanistan .

Those venomous snakes have now started slithering all over the Pakistan.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
8/D-106
Jun 04, 2010
06:54 PM
It must have become increasingly clear by now to any one who takes a remote even detached interest in the Indian sub-continental and regional middle-eastern geo-politics that a nation which was very artificially and brutally carved out of India for the Muslims has failed. Sustained on a life support systems right from its birth both financially and strategically by the USA and Britain this country inhabited by believers of mostly Sunni Islam has failed its own citizens too. Its slow but gradual degeneration into an Islamic theocracy and later on into a strict fundamentalist dominion first started as soon as it was created in 1947 when it decimated and hounded out its non-Muslim populations across the border, and then under several military dictatorships most notably of Gen Zia ul Haq’s in 19080s when it willingly and deliberately embarked on imposing the Sharia in running and administering the country.

A great deal of this folly can be attributed to the policy makers in the Whitehouse and Whitehalls of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher who consciously and calculatingly fanned the fires of extremist Islam in Af-Pak region to defeat and force out the Soviets. But, the DNA of this Frankenstein was formed from various sources from Central Asia to Saudi Arabia, Palestine and Egypt, not just Pakhtoons or Punjabis. This vicious virulent virus has now taken roots in the heart of Pakistan and threatens to destroy any remaining vestiges of temporal or Sufi Islam, or Indic civilization in that country. The recent attack on an Ahmadia or an Islamili mosque is not the first one in Pakistan, but the fact that it happened in Lahore is note worthy … it does not need a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to work out what future lies ahead for Pakistan.

It must be quite unnerving for people on the other side of the Wagah border to watch all this but hapless to do anything about it …
The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
9/D-131
Jun 04, 2010
10:07 PM
That 2 storey high signboard, in full public view, near Lahore, is indeed proof of

A picture is worth more than a 1000 words.
Raj
dallas, United States
10/D-7
Jun 05, 2010
01:59 AM
Dear Naim Sir,
I hope you read this comment. I want to sincerely apologize for any hurt my comment has caused you and please forgive me as my intention was not to hurt your feelings (or anybody else’s feelings). If it could be any consolation to you, let me clarify that I am not commenting at Islam from the perspective of another religion. I am not an atheist per se, but of an agnostic bent of mind and very critical of anti-humane teachings and practices of all religions, at the same time do acknowledge the good each of these religions has done and continues to do. I am not a regular commentator in this magazine as I find that most of the people who comment here do suffer from a complete lack of introspection and only interested in denigrating the other (there are some occasional refreshing exceptions).

I always read your essays and I have great respect for your sincerity and the messages you convey in your essays. Keep up the good work and I hope your essays and thoughts will provide a catalyst for moving the world to become a more humane and tolerant place.
T. Nayak
Washington, United States
11/D-65
Jun 05, 2010
11:40 AM
Dear Author,

You have done a great job in exposing the religious fanaticism and hatred prevailed in a society.

Daily Times also appeared to be a torch bearer of tolerance and justice in Pakistan.

Keep up the good work!!
Storm
Jaipur, India
12/D-43
Jun 06, 2010
09:23 AM
Dear Professor Naim,
Assalamualaikum. I had the privilege of meeting you as an undergraduate at the University of Chicago. I had seeked your help in my translation of Iqbal's poem, "Jiddat."

Tujhe kyoon fikr hai ae gul, dil-e-sad chaak-e-bulbul ki
Tu apne pairehan ke chaak to pehle rafoo kar le

Tamana aabroo ho agar gulzaar-e-hasti mein
To kaanto'n mein ulajh kar zindagi ki khoo kar le

(Why do you worry, O flower,
for you the nightingale's heart is a hundred times torn
You must first mend the tears in your petals.

If you desire dignity in the garden of life,
you must learn to thrive among the thorns.)

I recalled these verses when my community was brutally attacked in Lahore last week. The community as a whole has not taken to the streets and with the utmost patience have turned to God. I grew up in the United States and have had friends from every faith and ethnicity so I didn't quite grasp just how bad the intolerance "back home" was. Sure, I heard about the many reports and of stories of our elders (including my great uncle Major Mahmud who was brutally martyred in Quetta some decades back) but somehow I thought that perhaps things would improve. The events last week were a rude awakening. I cannot imagine being an Ahmadi-Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu in that country. I feel a sense of loss when I think of Pakistan. I am mourning the loss of a part of my identity and feel ashamed to be of a country that did not even let pious, good Muslims like my grandfather the opportunity to make the Hajj because he had to check "non-Muslim" on his passport. When my Nani and Nana in Lahore were still alive, it was a different country for me, a second home, a part of me. I don't think it will ever be the same.

I wanted to thank you for writing this article. It is a great relief to know that there are good people like you that are standing up for the injustices that happen not only against our community but other minorities in Pakistan. I also appreciated your comments in the "Chapati Mystery" blog.

Thank you and God bless you.
Saira Rahman
houston, United States
13/D-50
Jun 06, 2010
10:50 AM
Correction: The poem I quoted is entitled, "Phool."
Saira Rahman
houston, United States
14/D-70
Jun 06, 2010
02:35 PM
Saira Rahman

Your quotation of Iqbals' beautiful lines is highly commendable.

"Tujhe kyoon fikr hai ae gul, dil-e-sad chaak-e-bulbul ki
Tu apne pairehan ke chaak to pehle rafoo kar le"

Wah ... Absolutely wonderful. Only those who understand Urdu can appreciate the real finesse and the retort that is hidden in these lines, but the translation in English is equally good. One wonders where would Iqbal be in present day Pakistan ...
The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
15/D-32
Jun 07, 2010
10:26 AM
This was the most evil of acts - the work of sick, fanatical minds. It needs to be condemned unequivocally. Such acts must not be associated with Islam as much as the actions of Modi & Co with Hinduism or the deeds of Bush and Netanyihu with Christianity and Judaism.

I know I am stating the obvious but there are times when doing so is necessary. If this madness has to end, we must look to the good in our own religion and those of others and not the worst. Likewise, we must look to the best representatives of each religion – ours and others - and not the worst. There are moderate, decent human beings in every religion. Naimi, Shabhana Azmi and Dr Zakir Hussain represent the best in Islam. Correspondingly, people like Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Dr Manmohan Singh, Uri Avnery and Jamsetji Tata represent the essence of their religion; Bin Laden, Modi, Karadzic and Sharon the worst.

At the same time, we must speak out against the likes of Bin Laden, Modi, Bush and Netanyihu regardless of which religion we or they belong to.
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
16/D-51
Jun 07, 2010
02:18 PM
People especially the muslims wud never like my comments (which are true though)on Muslims,

I have always maintained that this religion can never teach you peace My grandfather who died last year was a freedom fighter who did witness Hindu Muslims riots during Partition he used to tell us that this religion is a kabaili religion & hence doesnt mind mindless killing Killing is a sport for them They will kill people when they are happy (like what Taimur Lang Did with Hindus when he captured delhi,) They will kill when they are said (like when some community members died in Gujarat Riots ( eventhough the reasons are well known).They will also kill when they do not have anything else to do like killing amongst themselves their bretherens Sunni killing Shia or Just a while Back Ahmadiya.

I never believd his words for long But now when i have become 40 & have seen soo much & Read So much I do want to say Badey Log Kabhi galat nahi kehtay hain!!!
VIJAYANT SHARMA
NAGPUR, INDIA
Vijayant Sharma
Nagpur, India
17/D-54
Jun 07, 2010
02:24 PM
When I read the news that worshippers belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community were brutally attacked, allegedly by a Taliban group, while they were praying in two mosques in Lahore, Pakistan, on May 28, 2010, the immediate question that arose in my mind was “Why did the terrorists target this particular sect?” I searched online for details about the Ahmadiyya Muslim community and got the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Islam

http://en.wikipedia....yya_Muslim_Community

From the links, the sect appears to be very accommodating, as they accept the divinity of a host of religious figures from other religions like Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

The Ahmadiyya religious tenet reminds one of the syncretic religious doctrine that Indian (Moghul) emperor Akbar propounded during his reign, namely, Din-i-Ilahi (means “Divine Faith”), which sought to merge the best elements of many religions, including Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, and Zoroastrianism.

Needless to say, Akbar’s pioneering religious concept found few takers.

Sadly, fanaticism rules.
rvi
Hyderabad, India
18/D-91
Jun 07, 2010
06:34 PM
Really touched -

http://www.dawn.com/...d-pressure-pak-qs-07
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
19/D-98
Jun 07, 2010
08:25 PM
"If such a concerted pogrom had been launched against Muslims anywhere in the world by non-Muslims, we would have been up in arms. Russia’s brutal treatment of Muslim Chechens and the Serbian ethnic cleansing of Muslim Bosnians have been widely condemned. So how is Pakistan’s treatment of its minorities any different? "

http://www.dawn.com/...-in-lahore-560-sk-13
ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
20/D-17
Jun 08, 2010
02:51 AM
" A leader of the Ahmadi community pleaded Thursday for international pressure on Pakistan, warning that extremists were bent on wiping out the community after nearly 100 people were killed." - The Dawn.

A UN investigation as well as economic sanctions of Pakistan are in order. Even if the Taliban carried out the attack, the government cannot be excused because Pakistani laws and official policies are inimical to Ahmadis.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
21/D-93
Jun 08, 2010
08:42 PM
Pak was born out of hatred of the Hindus.Soon Pak will go up in flames.Violence & intense hatred is in the DNA of Sunnis world over. The killing of peaceful Ahmadiyas by Sunni fanatics is horrendous, but not a surpise to us, the 'Infidels'.
Hriday
London, United Kingdom
22/D-2
Jun 09, 2010
12:04 AM
One can not stop wondering if Pakistan, the nation of pure, created for the Muslims of India in the name of Islam, has not already turned into an illusive hard to get criminal outfit. Let alone providing safe sanctuaries to several terrorist outfits, hard core criminals and underworld dons, most of regions' illicit narcotics trade transits thru its territory, which could not have become possible witout the full backing of the intelligence and security agencies and senior officers in Pakistani armed forces.

One could also henceforth logically conclude that this could not have been possible without the characteristic complacent look away attitude that Washington affects on its pet rottweiler. After all, it was right under their nose that Pakistan's Dr Faust AQ Khan was flogging the nuke secrets to rogue regimes while they just choose to look away. Indeed, it was only after 9/11 and a cat and mouse game with Gen. Mush that last almost 3 years that a beleagured Bush realised that India was a better basket for their Asian eggs than Pakistan and China.

Obama after a brief interlude with Pakistani leadership is learning ... but still with its pants caught in a twist America seem to have no choice but to tango with the rascals of Rawalpindi ... who have their fingers right up their a..e ...
The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
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