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The attacks on Ahmedi mosques that killed over 80 people once again underline that such terrorism is unstoppable until you get at the infrastructure that trains and guides these terrorists


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1/D-35
May 29, 2010
03:36 AM
>>>Islamism as it currently exists ... will be modified and replaced with a more flexible Islamist vocabulary ... the needs of the elite will demand a new orthodoxy compatible with modern needs

But I'm disappointed that your vision only extends as far as creating a moderate form of Islamism. Just to get our terminology straight, Islam is the religion, Islamism is the belief in Islam's supremacy. Just like Hinduism and Hindutva, if you want.

So a better goal to aspire to would be that Pakistanis, like other people, can be religious or not religious as they individually chose, but definitely get over this obsession with religion and/or this desperate search for an identity based on religion. It was amusing to see that Pak banned Facebook, while other countries, Saudi Arabia included, just ignored the whole thing.
SreekanthBoston
Boston, United States
2/D-38
May 29, 2010
06:06 AM
>> "Many of them realize that a change of course is needed, but they lack the vocabulary and the stories that would flesh out this new course."

They need to retrace their steps, detoxify themselves of Zia-ist fanaticism and get Maududi-ism out of their system. Then they need to study Gandhi, Bishop Tutu, Martin Luther King Jr, Wahiduddin Khan and Waris Mazhari.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
3/D-52
May 29, 2010
09:45 AM
It is sad to see how the zealots have turned against their own people because they differ a little bit. After wiping out the entire Hindu population from Pakistan who were considerable in 1947 to practically zero, the zealots now turned their sights on Ahmadiyas. Zia-ul-huq ba$tard created a monster. No matter how much Pakistanis blames the west for their plight but they stuck to wrong, immoral, unethical path of training terrorists to destroy India since 1980. TERRORISM has become a state policy to hurt India. They were relentless in supporting Kashmiri terrorism,
Sikh terrorism, North East terrorism via Bangladesh and Nepal, supporting mafia don Dawood to kill ordinary Indians. They have exploited every fault line within India through every available channel whether is Bangladesh, Nepal, North Eat, Gulf, Islamic organizations such as SIMI. They kept lying with BOLD FACE and no SHAME. The shameless MAFIA called Pakistani army and ISI had nothing but HATE for India and GREED to occupy Afghanistan . With state complicity, they have mastered every scum act from printing fake currency, smuggling/stealing nuclear/missile technologies. Now the terrorists are out of control.

There was some element of this wretchedness by Indira in supporting LTTE against Sri Lanka. Fortunately, the common sense prevailed and we backed off. Even the so called right-wing BJP Govt. was not involved in the kind of immoral, unethical behavior.

I hope common Pakistanis can live in peace and hopefully the terrorists/army/ISI forces are totally wiped out.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
4/D-72
May 29, 2010
12:40 PM
Pakistan nation is too much preoccupied with Islam, Islam and only Islam.

Though Taliban carried out this deadly attacks, the coverage by mainstream Pakistan clearly displays the level of prejudice that exists in the Pakistani physic against "Non-Muslims". They refers Ahmadiyya Mosque as Ahmadiyya place of worship. What fanatic and bigots try to do by declaring Ahmadiyya as Non-Muslims, Pakistan media follows that. But this is not even a surprise because a top TV anchor of Pakistan Hamid Mir referred Ahmadiyyas as worse than "Kafirs"

The obsession to become most "purist" Muslims has led Pakistan into this mess. They have started believing their own lies. Now conspiracy theories are the national sports in Pakistan in which every Non-Muslim is conspiring against Islam and Pakistan.

Today Times of India reported that in last few days many hate banners popped up in Lahore which read "Jews, Christians, and Ahmadiyya are enemies of Islam".No surprise.
When hate has been constitutionalized and terror has been made state policy these deadly tragedies would continue to happen.

Pakistan need to come out their denial mode and realize that there is a world beyond the extreme religiosity of Islam
Storm
Jaipur, India
5/D-78
May 29, 2010
01:25 PM
A latest example of open hatred and discrimination in Pakistani media against Ahmadiyyas.

One of biggest Pakistanis newspaper 'The News' referred Ahmadis as Qadiani in its latest news article.

"LAHORE: The report on terrorists’ attack at Qadiani’s prayer places in Lahore would be presented to the Chief Minister of Punjab today, Geo News reported Saturday...."

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=105671

I searched for the term Qadiani and search results suggests "The word "Qadiani" is a derogatory term for Ahmadis used by opponents of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community"

http://en.wikipedia....yya_Muslim_Community

Hammmm...
Storm
Jaipur, India
6/D-108
May 29, 2010
04:24 PM
"In the mid-1970s they were declared non-Muslim. A decade later a bar was placed on them preaching or professing their faith. Violence of all kinds against them -- murder, kidnappings, forced conversions -- has taken place. The latest attack is a continuation of this. It fits too with the more organised terrorism we have been seeing recently. "

Even Christians are not allowed to live in Islamic Pakistan,Sikhs killed tortured and murdered for Jaia so are Hindus.But if Ahemedias or Shias ever thought when they went to Pakistan in 1947 rather asked for separation from India they knew very well the fate they will meet in Sunni majority Pakistan. The past History of 1400 yrs was well known to them.

Bangla Muslims paid the brutal price for the same mistake of leaving India .However in hindsight Partition was a serious blunder particularly the stunted one.
ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
7/D-14
May 30, 2010
02:24 AM
So which Islamic country out of 57 is a bastion of tolerance and secularism? Can the author name 5 or 6 out of 57?

Intolerance and hatred for non-Muslims and apostates is inherent part of Islam.
vijay
arlington, United States
8/D-18
May 30, 2010
02:36 AM
>> Intolerance and hatred for non-Muslims and apostates is inherent part of Islam.

According to sanghi and zionist hate propagandists.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
9/D-61
May 30, 2010
02:34 PM
ANWAAR

1- USA may have commence the JIHAD in Afghanistan to weaken USSR and may have withdrawn but why didn't "Islamic Pakis" make efforts to settle the region than TALIBANISE it??

2-- Again USA may have commenced IRAQ but presently why are SUNNIS and SHIAS "blasting each other" rather than tying to get back to normalcy.

3- SHIAS, SUNNIS, WAHABIS, SUFIS, Ahammadiyas are all killing each other in Pakistan.

3- Afghanistan, Iran, Chechenya, Sudan, Chad, Somalia, Algeria etc etc are example of ISLAMIC violence in Muslim majority countries. Why blame "sanghis" for the utter inability of MUHAMMADANS to live in peace with their own kind???
Akil
Bangalore, India
10/D-63
May 30, 2010
03:16 PM
Intolerance and hatred for non-Muslims and apostates is inherent part of Islam. "

"According to sanghi and zionist hate propagandists."

Anwar sahib

May be wrong to blame Islam sweepingly but the Religion is only judged the way it is practiced by its followers.Even Hinduism and Christianity have been violent in the past but resurgent Islam has now become the biggest source of conflict for the last many many decades World over and there is no sign of any let up in unchecked wanton killing sprees let loose in name of Jihad on innocent human beings.

The Sub Continent has become the worst victim of Jihad.None including Shias,Ahemdias are now safe forget other Nationalities.
ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
11/D-105
May 30, 2010
10:26 PM
Pakistanis and SEX

Interestingly, no other Muslim country has taken a similar measure, indicating that Pakistanis are more easily upset by any hint of blasphemy than our brethren elsewhere. And yet, according to Google, the popular search engine, the word ‘sex’ is typed in more often by Pakistanis than by Internet users in any other country. Clearly, we are not entirely consistent in our attachment to religious edicts.
http://www.dawn.com/...ff-with-facebook-650
george
london, United Kingdom
12/D-4
May 31, 2010
01:17 AM
Akil,

>> why didn't "Islamic Pakis" make efforts to settle the region than TALIBANISE it??

What would you expect a Zia-ul-Haq to do?

>> why are SUNNIS and SHIAS "blasting each other" rather than tying to get back to normalcy.

For two reasons: (1) For political power (2) They are as perverse as the Maoists and the Abhinav Bharatis.

>> SHIAS, SUNNIS, WAHABIS, SUFIS, Ahammadiyas are all killing each other in Pakistan.

Communal hate is a terrible thing. You as a sanghi should know.

>> Why blame "sanghis" for the utter inability of MUHAMMADANS to live in peace with their own kind???

Nobody is blaming the sanghis for what is happening in Pakistan or Iraq. Sanghis are so paranoid!

Your questions may seem stupid, but they are designed to put me on the spot. However I have nothing to do with what is happening in Pakistan or Iraq. Seems you bring these questions up when you have lost all other arguments. The tactics of shakha propagandists are so obvious!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
13/D-5
May 31, 2010
01:22 AM
Ram Prasn,

>> Religion is only judged the way it is practiced by its followers.

Since you claim to be a Christian, judge your religion based on the actions of Bush, Hitler and Torquemada. If you are a Hindu, let me know, and I shall ask you a different question.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
14/D-16
May 31, 2010
03:29 AM
Anwaar,sorry to say,your remarks are stupid as you are. Christians behaviour towards others are much better than muslims behaviour towards christians. Had it not been so,you could not have lived in America. And to be honest,majority of muslims are intolerant, illiterate, religion obsessive, and violent people. The followers of RELIGION OF PEACE does destroy the peace wherever they are. You are an example of that intolerance.
george
london, United Kingdom
15/D-17
May 31, 2010
03:35 AM
They need to retrace their steps, detoxify themselves of Zia-ist fanaticism and get Maududi-ism out of their system. Then they need to study Gandhi, Bishop Tutu, Martin Luther King Jr, Wahiduddin Khan and Waris Mazhari.
Anwaar

Who will bell the cat,anwaar mia,will you? The sad truth is muslims are so paranoid about any criticism that no sane muslim will come forward, and the result is,killing will go on.
Pakistan needs to be divided between different regions to meet the aspirations of different groups who have nothing in common,except religion.
george
london, United Kingdom
16/D-29
May 31, 2010
08:55 AM
"Nobody is blaming the sanghis for what is happening in Pakistan or Iraq".

CAIR ANWAAR readily accept that MUHAMMADANS are responsible for all the violence they spread "amongst them" all over the world where ever they are in "majority". But where ever the "MUHAMMADANS are in minority" the same MUHAMMADANS are "beacon light of virtue" and Sanghis/ Zionist/ USA etc etc are to be blamed for the violence. What a double standard.
Akil
Bangalore, India
17/D-31
May 31, 2010
09:22 AM
George,

>> The sad truth is muslims are so paranoid.

They are as paranoid as you are stupid!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
18/D-34
May 31, 2010
09:41 AM
Akil,

>> But where ever the "MUHAMMADANS are in minority" the same MUHAMMADANS are "beacon light of virtue".

This is hardly a response to, "Nobody is blaming the sanghis for what is happening in Pakistan or Iraq". Are hate propagandists always deceptive?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
19/D-44
May 31, 2010
11:44 AM
Pakistan is the republic of evil. It has to be destroyed to protect humanity. Pakis, like the saudis, are amongst the worst lot of muslims.
Jacob Sahayam
Chennai, India
20/D-72
May 31, 2010
03:46 PM
I want to make one thing clear, to me the only good Pakistani is a dead Pakistani.
But stop tarring an entire religion, OK
There are other secular Islamic countries like Turkey,Malaysia.
Pakistan is a disease that needs to stopped from spreading, but why blame an entire community whivh gave us Kalam,Rehman etc
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
21/D-92
Jun 01, 2010
08:28 PM
Can Indians stop insulting Muslims especially Indian Muslims for all the terrorist/insane acts of Pakistanis? The Pakistan is a perfect example of a nation that goes to dogs when lunatic right wing takes over a country and communalize every insitution and use religion as a tool to dictate public and foreign policy. This is what Zia-ul-Huq and his successive military chiefs did to that country. A majority of those people have no idea what is true and what is illusion. There a million terrorists and thousands of jihadi groups. That country has become a haven for killer groups. No one in that country have the courage to stand up to the thugs including Supreme court. Even courts have become tools to protect and encourage Terrorists as we haven seen with the release of LET chief. PAKISTAN has become modern NAZI state. It has to be dismantled, and the leaders should be prosecuted by international courts if we have to get rid of the cancer called TERRORISM in the world.

There are some MUSLIM groups such as SIMI in India which are helping Pakistani Terrorism but these are all small but powerful organizations. We can't blame the entire MUSLIM comunity for the fault of these groups. There are some extreme Hindu outfits such as Rama Sena in Bangalore and Abhinav baharat which are despicable with their acts of mosques. We can't let these groups turn India into PAKISTAM. Believe me! If they get a chance, they will do it too.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
22/D-108
Jun 03, 2010
04:47 PM
This Guy ANWAAR is a thug who always keeps Supporting Every Insane Group Be it Jihadi Muslim ( one which he Proudly thinks of Himself ) & also his bretheren The Maoists thugs who are hell bent on Killing the very Values of Indian Secular Fabric. These Shameless People who are more that 20 crore in Numbers call them selves Minority & think The Goverment is to be blamed for their Vowes But Guys look at the Irony We have only a mere thousand of Parsis Left in India & look how well they got entrenched in Our Society . Look at Sindhis who ran away from Holy Lank of Porkistan & how they are successfully managing their Business , Look at the few thousand of Jews you wont find them fighting ever niether in the street nor in their houses But look at these thugs you wont find them in Peace wether they are in Majority or in Minority ,wether they are Rulers or they are Peasents, they wud never be at Peace because barbarism is in their Blood Itihass uthaa k dekh lijiyeh Religion ke liye Khoon Bahaney mein inkaa koi bhi Saani na hai aur na hogaa.
But mark my Words "Hinduism never left the Earth Never will"

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/45331

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

http://koenraadelst....s/irin/genocide.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=889_1236976781&c=1

Mr. Anwaar none of these are Sanghi Or Hindu Sites
Vijayant Sharma
Nagpur, India
23/D-126
Jun 03, 2010
06:25 PM
Some responses in the TIME magazine Dt 7th June 2010

- Shahzad's attempted bombing proves that Americans should be more concerned about the legal immigrants who want to harm us rather than the illegal immigrants who only want a job.
Kenneth Lee,
Raytown, Mo., U.S.

Although the events in Times Square were certainly frightening, the political backlash against Pakistanis and Muslims was even more so. ..
Zoya Mehmoud,
sandilya
Chennai, India
24/D-12
Jun 04, 2010
03:31 AM
Vijayant Sharma,

>> This guy Anwaar.....Supporting Every Insane Group Be it Jihadi Muslim ( one which he Proudly thinks of Himself ) & also his bretheren The Maoists thugs....

You would win any competition on how many lies a person can tell in one sentence! Here is my earlier comment on this article:

"They (the Pakistanis) need to retrace their steps, detoxify themselves of Zia-ist fanaticism and get Maududi-ism out of their system. Then they need to study Gandhi, Bishop Tutu, Martin Luther King Jr, Wahiduddin Khan and Waris Mazhari."

Here is my reply to Akil:

>> why didn't "Islamic Pakis" make efforts to settle the region than TALIBANISE it??
"What would you expect a Zia-ul-Haq to do?"
>> why are SUNNIS and SHIAS "blasting each other" rather than tying to get back to normalcy.
"For two reasons: (1) For political power (2) They are as perverse as the Maoists and the Abhinav Bharatis."
>> SHIAS, SUNNIS, WAHABIS, SUFIS, Ahammadiyas are all killing each other in Pakistan.
"Communal hate is a terrible thing. You as a sanghi should know."

And here is what I said earlier today in another section:

"Adivasis, yes! Maoists, no!"
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
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