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D-93/281
Sep 15, 2014
02:33 PM

" How can an intolerant person be proud of a tolerant heritage?"

Nobody is accusing you of being proud of Indian heritage.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-92/19
Sep 15, 2014
02:21 PM

>> "These youngsters are just 15 out of 2 million."

>>>>>>Thanks for saying that.

Sorry that the larger concern goes over your head. That these figures are just the tip of an iceberg.

You remind me of a man whose kidneys are not functioning and he thinks that since the rest of the body is healthy, he should be okay.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-91/1
Sep 15, 2014
02:21 PM

Inflation at 5 year low.

pic.twitter.com/KxhgVtqW15

Mohan, Adpur
D-90/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:57 PM

Now that inflation is coming down, opposition and media will find it difficult to criticize Mr. Modi

Balachandran Nair V, Trivandrum
D-89/43
Sep 15, 2014
01:13 PM

Religious differences are there, but India is no communal tinderbox .

www.hindustantimes.com/news-feed/amish/india-is-not-a-tinderbox/article1-1263461.aspx

Mohan
Adpur, India
D-88/280
Sep 15, 2014
01:01 PM


DLN,

>> " I am immensely proud of my heritage."

How can an intolerant person be proud of a tolerant heritage?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-87/6
Sep 15, 2014
12:53 PM

NDTV refers to Kashmir as 'Indian held Kashmir'  'Indian controlled Kashmir'

pic.twitter.com/lKSz0YToHG

 
Mohan, Adpur
D-86/10
Sep 15, 2014
12:50 PM


DLN,

>> " If the orthodoxy does not allow adherents of other religions from participating in their festivals, one should oblige."

Togadia does not preach orthodoxy. He is the most vicious pracharak of hate and alienation.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-85/18
Sep 15, 2014
12:44 PM


DLN,

>> "These youngsters are just 15 out of 2 million."

Thanks for saying that.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-84/9
Sep 15, 2014
12:41 PM

" For the orthodox, worshipping anyone or anything other than God is a sin."

Fair enough. If the orthodoxy does not allow adherents of other religions from participating in their festivals, one should oblige. No point in gatecrashing a party.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-83/42
Sep 15, 2014
12:41 PM


DLN,

>> "Tolerance does not mean disseminating falsehoods."

Incessant and repeated dissemination of hate prachar with the obvious aim of promoting anti-Muslim sentiments (e.g. Suchbolo, Saachbolo etc) never was the best example of Hindu tolerance. It was not Hindu tolerance which brought about foreign rule. It was divisiveness and unpreparedness. I am all for unity and preparedness. Those who promote divisiveness and vilification of minorities are the true enemies of India. Those who oppose tolerance and inclusiveness do no favors to our country.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-82/17
Sep 15, 2014
12:38 PM

" Hyderabadi Muslims may be atypical."

No. Hyderabad has over 2 millions and most of them are "typical" people, honest hard-working citizens struggling to make ends meet.

These youngsters are just 15 out of 2 million. They were reported by their own parents.

Such incidents have also been reported from Tamil Nadu. Maybe similar news from  "typical" places like UP and Bihar goes unreported.

The numbers represent only the tip of the ISISberg.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-81/8
Sep 15, 2014
12:28 PM


DLN,

>> 1. Do Muslim girls participate in the garba dances?

Some do.

>> 2. Why are non-Muzlims not allowed within a 50 km radius of Makkah and Madina?

There is history behind it, but the main thing is that it is wrong.


3. Is veneration of one's motherland as a Goddess Islamic?

For the orthodox, worshipping anyone or anything other than God is a sin.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-80/7
Sep 15, 2014
12:22 PM

" It is for the individuals to decide whether they should  participate in such "pagan" festivals"

Fully agree that, ideally, it is for individuals to decide. You have ignored some questions.

1. Do Muslim girls participate in the garba dances?

2. Why are non-Muzlims not allowed within a 50 km radius of Makkah and Madina?

3. Is veneration of one's motherland as a Goddess Islamic?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-79/41
Sep 15, 2014
12:21 PM

Let me tell you why there is a strain Mr. Nariman. It is because Hinduism is like a cat who has been backed into a corner by an aggressive predator and has only two options, self-defense to save itself or die. The two Abrahamical religions are inherently divisive and intolerant. Both have created problems in the world. If Huntington is right, these two will hopefully wipe each other out and save the rest of the world as a result.

Nina
Madison, USA
D-78/16
Sep 15, 2014
12:21 PM


DLN,

>> "Why is it that ISIS still has a fan following among educated young Muslims"

Hyderabadi Muslims may be atypical. The condemnation of ISIS on Muslim blogs is unanimous. There may be several reasons why these jihadis become so irrational. Some of the Talibani literature that I have read is very bizarre and sickening. I wonder if it is easily available in Hyderabad.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-77/40
Sep 15, 2014
12:15 PM

>> "Each winter Mahmud descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils ....."

>>>>>> "And this is your comment on Fali Nariman's speech on 'The Hindu Tradition Of Tolerance Is Showing Signs Of Strain'! You are a living example of what Nariman is saying!"

Tolerance does not mean disseminating falsehoods. Tolerance has no value it it is a product of ignorance. 

Tolerance has meaning when one knows the truth but is yet willing to forgive the past and coexist peacefully. FORGIVE, NOT FORGET.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-76/6
Sep 15, 2014
12:06 PM


DLN,

>>>> ".......have called on Hindus to bar Muslims from garba festivals."

>> "A few politically incorrect questions come to my mind."

Your supporting such hateful prononcements from Togadia et al shows you in your true colors. It is for the individuals to decide whether they should  participate in such "pagan" festivals and whether singing about gods and godesses in Vande mataram is sinful for monotheists (I have no problem singing Vande Mataram, which actually is a beautiful song). But it seems there is no hateful and divisive statement from anyone in this forum or in the VHP/RSS that you will not support and even try to justify. Your prejudice runs deep.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-75/279
Sep 15, 2014
12:05 PM

"Hindutvawadis like you trying to take credit for what secular Hindus or the true Hindus have done is highway robbery!"

I neither take credit for the greatness of Hinduism nor the blame for practices like untouchability. I am just an inheritor and I am immensely proud of my heritage.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-74/15
Sep 15, 2014
12:01 PM

" I know the newspaper reports but you used them to sling mud at Muslims in your habitual despicable hate prachar. None of the newspaper or television commentators do that."

If others have commented on it, there is no need for me to do so.

You ignore the main take-aways from this news - the background of these ISIS wannabes:

1. They are from Hyderabad where inter communal relations have been cordial for ages in spite of the Owaisis.

2. They are Engineering students, not one of those semi-literate sadak chhaap stereotypes.

3. They belong to the middle classes who are expected to be less susceptible to radical fundamentalism.

4. Why is it that ISIS still has a fan following among educated young Muslims inspite of all the brutal acts of beheading, rape, massacres and forced conversions.

As a progressive Muslim, one expected you to be hugely concerned about this fatal attraction to fundamentalist Islam among the educated youth.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-73/3
Sep 15, 2014
11:56 AM

Den of the dianasours

Pradip Singh, stafford
D-72/278
Sep 15, 2014
11:52 AM


DLN,

>> "There is a tree which has given shade to everyone and its fruit to everyone without any discrimination."

Hindutvawadis like you trying to take credit for what secular Hindus or the true Hindus have done is highway robbery!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-71/277
Sep 15, 2014
11:48 AM

>> Oye sanghi, instead of reading reviews of books, take some time off & read Arendt.

Here's the deal. We sanghis shall start reading these books when you sickos start speaking honestly.

What do you think? Is there a chance you shall fulfill your side of the bargain in my lifetime?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-70/14
Sep 15, 2014
11:48 AM


D.L.Narayan,

>>>> " The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion. But for your hate prachar any mud that can be thrown at Muslims is okay!"

>> "It is not mud but facts reported by the mainstream media."

I know the newspaper reports but you used them to sling mud at Muslims in your habitual despicable hate prachar. None of the newspaper or television commentators do that. There will always be a certain number of loonies or radical extremists in all big communities. The worst part of these guys is that they will be potentially dangerous when they return to the U.S. or Europe. They should be either denied re-entry or arrested and prosecuted when they return.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-69/39
Sep 15, 2014
11:42 AM

" I have never tried to trash Salman Rushdie. I have enjoyed reading his novels. "

Glad to know that both of us are members of the Salman Rushdie fan club. Though Rushdie is quite an obnoxious person, he writes with rare elgance and skill.

I wonder if you have read his "Satanic Verses". I read it, believe it or not, in Kuwait, courtesy of a broad minded Palestinian friend of mine. He smuggled it in from the US. It was before Internet made circumventing bans easy so this guy deserves to be commended for his courage.

The book is based on a historical fact, about verses relating ti veneration of Al Lat, Manat and Al Uzza, which were later rescinded as the work of Shaitan. 

A pity this book is still banned. So many gems.....

“In this century history stopped paying attention to the old psychological orientation of reality. I mean, these days, character isn’t destiny any more. Economics is destiny. Ideology is destiny. Bombs are destiny. What does a famine, a gas chamber, a grenade care how you lived your life? Crisis comes, death comes, and your pathetic individual self doesn’t have a thing to do with it, only to suffer the effects.”

“Information got abolished sometime in the twentieth century, can’t say just when; stands to reason, that’s part of the information that got abolish, abolished. Since then we’ve been living in a fairy-story. Got me? Everything happens by magic. Us fairies haven’t a fucking notion what’s going on. So how do we know if it’s right or wrong? We don’t even know what it is.”

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-68/1
Sep 15, 2014
11:40 AM

It is shocking that the media still splits hairs between violence and religion.

The matter of fact is that this violence is completely borne out of the hate religions have for each other ( and even among sects amongst themselves ). In this case, christians and muslims.

The media obfusicating, stereotyping, and pretending that religions are peaceful, is PART of the problem.

ALL religions are evil at heart.

misogynist, chennai
D-67/38
Sep 15, 2014
11:39 AM

>>@SUCHBOLO - "However the brutality of Islamic rule in India, which many historians have termed as he 'most brutal chapter in world history' is not acknowledged by Muslims."

When it is not acknowledged by sicko hindus (born into hindu family that is), it is too much to expect acknowledgement by muslims.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
D-66/2
Sep 15, 2014
11:33 AM

"...As much of a pain as it was to be seated next to a toilet for 22 hours because my team didn't have reserved seats never mind berths, it .... The Karnataka Ranji Trophy team would generally travel in second class and congregate in one of the compartments. ...There were no iPads or portable Play Stations, no one had a walkman ..."
 

Until this state of affairs continues, feminits will never take to cricket. Ony rich games for them.

misogynist
chennai, India
D-65/13
Sep 15, 2014
11:30 AM


Sandilya,

>>>> "The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion. But for your hate prachar any mud that can be thrown at Muslims is okay!"

>> "Instead of condemning the extra territorial loyalties, you are trying to whitewash them."

The figures show that the number of jihadi loonies is miniscule, no more than Bajrangi or Abhinav Bharatis or Hindu Rashtra Sena loonies. You must be either a liar or a dyslexic if you suggest thst I have not condemned them enough number of times. Perhaps more than your condemning Hindutva murderers and terrorists. What makes you write such ignorant comments?

Anwaar, Dallas
D-64/37
Sep 15, 2014
11:26 AM

Nariman is basically wants to curtail FOE for Hindus in the garb of this 'tolerance' argument.

RSM
Delhi, India
D-63/8
Sep 15, 2014
11:22 AM

5 D Chittranjan

"Why then the men who sleep with her and keep her job thriving are looked at as perverts, cheaters, exploiters and bastards lacking in morals?

Even male Journalists have been brainwashed by feminit orgs, to stereotype males negatively, almost by reflex. If rape is the antimale buzzword today, so was the lie called 'female feticide' last year. The media will bring up fake 'issues' all the time once males wake up to the previous lies thrown at them - just so that males are projected as "...as perverts, cheaters, exploiters and bastards lacking in morals..."

"...How fair, Sir?..."

Completely Unfair to males, I agree. The media must learn to report fairly.
 

misogynist
chennai, India
D-62/36
Sep 15, 2014
11:19 AM

With highest respect for Mr Nariman, I agree with his observation. But if Hinduism is to survive it needs to shed its so called benign attitude, a little.

Mahesh
Delhi, India
D-61/35
Sep 15, 2014
11:16 AM

@Sandilya - "You plant favorable things about us in all publications- books, articles, editorials and news - to put us in lime light and keep the inconvenient facts away from the masses, and you reap the rewards, was an unwritten quid pro quo arrangement."

You couldn't have put it better. That was the deal made by J.Nehru with the marxists - "Keep off my back and support me if you can. In return you can have the free run of academia and culture". And that was a long lease - long enough to brainwash a few generations of Indians. JNU is symbolic of that.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
D-60/34
Sep 15, 2014
11:13 AM

Suchbolo,

>> "Each winter Mahmud descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils ....."

And this is your comment on Fali Nariman's speech on 'The Hindu Tradition Of Tolerance Is Showing Signs Of Strain'! You are a living example of what Nariman is saying!



 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-59/23
Sep 15, 2014
11:09 AM

We all have to be drunk to make sense of the men without elephants, love jihads, incompetent PMs and the rest.

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
D-58/7
Sep 15, 2014
11:08 AM

"If two grown-up people go to a hotel, do whatever they have to do, seemingly with consent, the man pays the woman (or the other way round), they settle the hotel bill and go home, what is it to you or me, or to the police, or to the moral fibre of our society?"

Not until she shouts 'RAPE' and he ends up in a jail.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
D-57/6
Sep 15, 2014
11:05 AM

Finally, a sensible article. 

The police, unable to stop crime, take to these methods to improve their image. Actually, they take bribes from everyone. The present case too would not have been hidden had the girl paid the police.

Legalise such activities, get the police out of people's personal affairs.

 

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
D-56/9
Sep 15, 2014
10:59 AM

Rai has done great service to the nation by publishing his story. This story is repeated in all institutions of the country: appoint mediocre men, let them surround themselves with their stupid buddies, create a culture of sycophancy. This lethal combination has brought the country to its knees. When the highest post of the country - that of PM - follows these principles, you can well imagine what is happening to our institutions: education, police, health, garbage collection. Cry, the beloved country.

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
D-55/5
Sep 15, 2014
10:54 AM

A woman who is a willing sex worker is merely exercising her right of choice. Fair world. Good logic.

Why then the men who sleep with her and keep her job thriving are looked at as perverts, cheaters, exploiters and bastards lacking in morals?

How fair, Sir?

Chittaranjan
Bangalore, India
D-54/5
Sep 15, 2014
10:54 AM

Rather than wring our moralistic hands in despair, I think we should highlight the ills of showbiz. And in any case, why should a pretty girl not make some money on the side? Legalising prostitution will make our society much better; it will stop trafficking and give the freedom to ladies pursue any profession they want, safely, without policemen demanding their cut.

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
D-53/12
Sep 15, 2014
10:50 AM

" The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion."

Right. What is the big fuss about just a few drops of poison in a cup of water ?

K.Suresh, Bangalore
D-52/26
Sep 15, 2014
10:44 AM
The press painted him as "the most honest PM we have ever had" and look, what he did to the country. Perhaps it is clear now that Manmohan Singh was the most dishonest PM we have had and will ever have. But then that is what we get when we employ mediocre people in high jobs.

I, however, don't agree with Mr Rai that "he got overawed by the compulsions of coalition politics" - that is the excuse of a dishonest man. Actually Manmohan wanted to enjoy the power he was getting, despite the series of insults of the Gandhi family and of the press. 

Manmohan is a pretender, and he hopes that his silence will mast his foolishness.

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
D-51/5
Sep 15, 2014
10:40 AM

".......have called on Hindus to bar Muslims from garba festivals."

A few politically incorrect questions come to my mind. 

1. Have Muslim girls been prevented from dancing the garba or is this "ban" restricted only males?

2. Are those who participate in pagan festivals not guilty of the heinous, unpardonable sin of shirk?

3. Do those who enjoy garba also sing Vande Mataram and have no problems in saying Bharat Mata ki Jai?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-50/9
Sep 15, 2014
10:39 AM


Look who’s leading the campaign against ‘Love Jihad’!


kafila.org/2014/09/15/look-whos-leading-the-campaign-against-love-jihad/

Anwaar, Dallas
D-49/276
Sep 15, 2014
10:35 AM

>>>> Anatomy of a Confrontation: Ayodhya and the Rise of Communal Politics in India --> Communal politics in India started post 1992 ONLY, there was no communalism till then

>> The book was published before Babri demolition.

Saroja, 

It would be good be good if you do some due diligence in reading the posts before jumping on to conclusion (similar to the one you do in checking spelling!!) and posting a reply:

What I mentioned, 

>>>> Communal politics in India started post 1992 ONLY

And here is what you replied: 

>> The book was published before Babri demolition.

Nowhere have I mentioned Babri mosque demolition in my post.  And indeed the book itself is published in 1992.  Not withstanding your correct spelling, irrelevant and devious replies still show you in poor light!!

And still shows what you read and believe. Here are other books from same author, which includes eulogies to Nehru who died of sexually transmitted disease and also of the lefty bootlicker Romilla who once was lecturing in Mumbai that Somnath attack had zero religious overtones!

http://www.amazon.in/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Sarvepalli+Gopal&search-alias=stripbooks

>> Oye sanghi, instead of reading reviews of books, take some time off & read Arendt. The same collection of books also has a couple of Rebecca West's books, one of which has a collection of her own reportage of Nuremberg trials.

I have read about Eichman/Nuremberg trials and beyond that, without prejudice, I don't have much interest in Nuremberg trials. I have my own list and I certainly don't need your suggestion on reading.

Lastly, flaunting your reading list subtly, doing  a good spell check does not win you ANY debates. Putting up good good argument DOES. It is a pity you have not figured that out yet after reading so many books and cramming up your memory with words like scatology! 

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-48/275
Sep 15, 2014
10:16 AM

" Which tree bears hate pracharaks and divisionists like you? Not Hinduism. The RSS!"

God, in His infinite wisdom, has created several trees, just as he has created a bewildering variety of life forms.

There is a tree which has given shade to everyone and its fruit to everyone without any discrimination.

There is also a tree, a younger one, which is highly selective in whom it favours, ready to attack at any provocation, imagined or real.

I, for one, would not seek shelter under a malevolent tree.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-47/274
Sep 15, 2014
10:12 AM

For irascible, indomitable, argumentative Saroja:

## The Number One Rule in Arguments: If you're losing the argument, start correcting their grammar.

Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-46/25
Sep 15, 2014
10:02 AM

@ Ramesh Ramachandra,

"One would like to see similar paronoia on NA's part of the more sinister designs of the Al Qaeda to engulf the Indian sub-continent, and of the IS for a global caliphate."

What you have described is Nasar Ahmed's ultimate fantasy. His paranoia is about this dream not coming true.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-45/11
Sep 15, 2014
09:56 AM

" The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion. But for your hate prachar any mud that can be thrown at Muslims is okay!"

1. It is not mud but facts reported by the mainstream media.

2. The people in question are engineering students, probably from educated, privileged, middle class backgrounds and NOT THE STEREOTYPICAL MADRASSA GOING, ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED CLASS. One of them is even a girl. Yet, Anwaar brushes it off as inconsequential.

3. As Mr Sandilya pointed out, a tiny spark can cause a massive explosion. To give a simpler analogy, would a normal person be unconcerned about a snake in a garden because it has only a few drops of venom in it?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
D-44/24
Sep 15, 2014
09:52 AM

21/D-83: Nasar Ahmed, Karikkudi

Wow! Such convoluted logic by him to read into Vinod Rai's report/book a conspiracy with the BJP to discredit the Congress and to further the communal agenda of the RSS! One would like to see similar paronoia on NA's part of the more sinister designs of the Al Qaeda to engulf the Indian sub-continent, and of the IS for a global caliphate.

Ramesh Ramachandra
Bangalore, India
D-43/4
Sep 15, 2014
09:39 AM

I don't support most of their views. But Madrassas are backward by any measure and they can only move a community backward. Sooner they disapppear the better it is.

jaleel, luknow
D-42/10
Sep 15, 2014
09:12 AM

The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion. But for your hate prachar any mud that can be thrown at Muslims is okay!

ANWAAR,

What an idiotic assurance?
A terrorist a la ISIS type is like a tiny spark, which can light fire a whole tank of petrol in a fraction of a second. You are such a pathetic rationaliser when it comes to your clan.

Instead of condemning the extra territorial loyalties, you are trying to whitewash them as if they are inocuous and still expect the Hindus not to react and only accommodate Islamic misdeeds.

sandilya
Chennai, India
D-41/273
Sep 15, 2014
08:35 AM

"It means that when you have no answer you will fall back on your despicable habit of Islam bashing! "

So says the duplicitous ahole whose screeches islamophobia when his logical undies are ripped and wrapped over his scrotum of a head. Learn to make a logical argument before you screech "islam haters" the next time around, you worthless loser.

Olaf Othakoodi
Lundborg, Sweden
D-40/272
Sep 15, 2014
08:32 AM

"Oye sanghi, instead of reading reviews of books, take some time off & read Arendt. The same collection of books also has a couple of Rebecca West's books, one of which has a collection of her own reportage of Nuremberg trials."

Dear "spellchecker" Saroja,
So just vomiting the names of some authors makes you "well read" is it? Any imbecile can parrot out names of authors and pretend to have read them. So far you have been unable to explain your own thoughts rather than just throw out fancy names under the pretense of it all being self-explanatory. If you really want to contribute using your own brain (assuming you have one), you should be able to explain whatever thought you have in your own words without the crutch of obscure authors. This is not the first time you are doing this sort of pretentious asswipery.

Olaf Othakoodi
Lundborg, Sweden
D-39/3
Sep 15, 2014
08:22 AM

Very important questions raised and must be addresses. Do madrassas get public money of Hindu tax payors ? Do madrassas teach patriotism and celebrate national days like Independence days and raise the national flag ?  Are some muslim MPs in parliament who are against singing the national anthem ?

SuchBolo, Such Garh
D-38/4
Sep 15, 2014
08:08 AM

Well said, Satish. This is another hangover from the British Raj and its Victorian moral policies. The idea that my colleague and friend, the Commissioner of Police in Bangalore, spent so much of his energy preventing dancing bars (and dancing in clubs), stupefies me. What a woman wishes to do with her body, and what a man wishes to do with his body--when it is consensual--is no one's business but theirs. Don't these moralists see that one of India's fundamental problems is sexual starvation of large numbers of people, and that these women (and some men), who do what they do despite police dangers, are unrecognized Mother Teresas?

Richard Crasta
new york, United States
D-37/33
Sep 15, 2014
08:03 AM

I never read about that in the debased and lieful history that Indian history books teach in schools.

SUCHBOLO

It was a convenient arrangement between the ruling Congi family and the crawling historians of the day. There are plenty of them for whom the Modi's Govt is proving a great hurdle and  loss of opportunity and inconvenience.
We heard of the demise of one such historian recently. The implied diktat of Congress was clear. You plant favorable things about us in all publications- books, articles, editorials and news - to put us in lime light and keep the inconvenient facts away from the masses,  and you reap the rewards, was an unwritten quid pro quo arrangement. Some of these ba****ds have even become governors. Their qualification ? Unflinching loyalty to the ruling family and deify Nehru-Gandhi dynasty. That strangely worked and is still working even after 6 decades albeit down regulated !! That shows how mentally challenged we all are. People continue to trust the congis like a sheep trusts the butcher's pat before slaughter.

sandilya
Chennai, India
D-36/32
Sep 15, 2014
07:59 AM

Strains may be showing now, but there was always an undercurrent of resentment felt by many Hindus at the preferential treatment of minorities. But Mr Nariman need not fear because Hindus are not ever going to use the majority-government to pass laws to discriminate against them or  to treat minorities as in Pakistan or the Middle East. They only want true equality. This had been denied by secular coalitions, even as it is happening in Bihar. The preferred treatment entices even denominations of Hindus like the Ramakrishna Mission and Jains to claim minority status thereby creating fissures among the Hindus, who are always being poached and trampled upon. 

Look at the people in Jammu-Kashmir who destroy rescue boats and throw stones at rescue parties and some separatists claiming that only others not Kashmiris are being rescued. This ingratitude is typical of minorities in the rest of India too. 

objective
CHENNAI, India
D-35/271
Sep 15, 2014
07:52 AM

>>  Which tree bears hate pracharaks and divisionists like you? Not Hinduism. The RSS!

Which tree do you think is responsible for countless harvests of beheadings, forcible conversions, rapes, enslavement and trading of people in name of kafir over more than ten centuries?  And still harvesting!    
Bangalorean
Bangalore, India
D-34/31
Sep 15, 2014
07:43 AM

Why the brutal Islamic rule in India, with its mass executions, forced conversions is not a closed chapter.

Caste Hindus have accepted that treatment of native dalits was wrong, cruel and un-justifiabe under any condition. They do not question the history of it and in some ways closed tthe chapter by acknowledging past wrongs and taking steps to redress them through democratic elections and reservations benefitting them.  

The extermination of native american tribes in USA is also a closed chapter in tthe sense that school children in USA learn about the injustices and abuse hurled upon native Americans. How there land was usurped and that it was wrong.

Germany too has closed the chapter on genocide of jews by acknowledging the facts and then teaching current generations that what was done to gypsies and Jews was wrong and there are no excuses for it.

However the brutality of Islamic rule in India, which many historians have termed as he 'most brutal chapter in world history' is not acknowledged by Muslims. Once they acknowledge the facts and teach their children that the treatment of Hindus by muslim rulers was wrong and cruel and do not take pride in them ,  only then that chapter will close.

Until then Hindus need to be aware of tthe monstorous ideology that inflicted sucg carnage upon Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists upon vast areas of S Asia has not being restrained.  The historical accounts are bone chilling and efforts to mask or distort the history must be faught and defeated by non-muslims. That's tthe least they can do.

SuchBolo
Such Garh, India
D-33/3
Sep 15, 2014
06:06 AM
And this is sexist, how? This is ToI Entertainment, not the main paper. And they talk about bikinis, and 6 packs and private lives etc etc. They talk about male bodies and female bodies. It is much more explicit in the west. I wonder how our ultra-conservative Bollywood 'naaris' would fare in the west. In fact this cocky attitude would go out of the window a la priyanka chopra who basically showed 25% of her groin in her single "Exotic". Badi sati savitri bani phir rahi hai. "I have breasts". Damn right you do. You benefit off your body in item numbers. And paparazzi will talk about this
Sivender
Bangalore, India
D-32/2
Sep 15, 2014
06:03 AM

Yes, he did his duty, as defined by his puppet master who had his balls in a vice - shut up and sign where you are told to sign. Of course, any self respecting human being with an iota of dignity would not have agreed to be such a doormat, but not our greedy Mumbling ldi0t who could not see an inch beyond his selfish interests.     

Ravi Jain, Hyderabad
D-31/2
Sep 15, 2014
06:03 AM

Yes, he did his duty, as defined by his puppet master who had his balls in a vice - shut up and sign where you are told to sign. Of course, any self respecting human being with an iota of dignity would not have agreed to be such a doormat, but not our greedy Mumbling ldi0t who could not see an inch beyond his selfish interests.     

Ravi Jain, Hyderabad
D-30/5
Sep 15, 2014
04:18 AM

@Ashok,

Can you imagine what would have happened if he had said "toilets more important than masjids' ?   The duplicity of Indian media and the brazenly islamist elements in it is astounding

SuchBolo, Such Garh
D-29/30
Sep 15, 2014
04:13 AM

Stunning. 

""Each winter Mahmud descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused his men with full freedom to pillage and kill; each spring he returned to his capital richer than before. At Mathura (on the Jumna) he took from the temple its statues of gold encrusted with precious stones, and emptied its coffers of a vast quantity of gold, silver and jewellery; he expressed his admiration for the architecture of the great shrine, judged that its duplication would cost one hundred million dinars and the labour of two hundred years, and then ordered it to be soaked with naphtha and burnt to the ground.

Six years later he sacked another opulent city of northern India, Somnath, killed all its fifty thousand inhabitants, and dragged its wealth to Ghazni. In the end he became, perhaps, the richest king that history has ever known. Sometimes he spared the population of the ravaged cities, and took them home to be sold as slaves; but so great was the number of such captives that after some years no one could be found to offer more than a few shillings for a slave. Before every important engagement Mahmud knelt in prayer, and asked the blessing of God upon his arms. He reigned for a third of a century; and when he died, full of years and honours, Moslem historians ranked him as the greatest monarch of his time, and one of the greatest sovereigns of any age."

By historian Durant based on writings of contemporary historians of that age including Mahmud's own historian.

SuchBolo
Such Garh, India
D-28/29
Sep 15, 2014
04:08 AM

Mr Fali Nariman says 

"Will Durant records in his Story of Civilization [4]—that in India in the middle-ages during the alien despotism of the Sultanates of Delhi, Sultan Ahmad Shah boastfully feasted for three days whenever the number of defenceless Hindus slain in his territories reached twenty thousand! "

I never read about that in the debased and lieful history that Indian history books teach in schools. Why should this history offend muslims unless they still identify with them and take pride in them which history books in Pakistan openly do ? Its like jews collaborating wih Nazis to suppress history of holocaust so that Germans may not get offended. That's how wrong and evil is the version of history taught in Indian schools. How can you learn from the past , unless you know tthe past history ? I hope that Modi administration makes sure that factual history, instead of a bollywood-version is taught in schools but I am not very hopeful.

SuchBolo
Such Garh, India
D-27/270
Sep 15, 2014
02:58 AM

>> It means that when you have no answer you will fall back on your despicable habit of Islam bashing!

It means that when you get your ass kicked, you start whining like a filthy pig that you are.

>> Do you have no sense of shame?

We know that you have no sense of shame.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-26/9
Sep 15, 2014
02:54 AM

>> The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000.

And that's less?

We're talking about people leaving their home, relatives, friends, their entire life as they have known, to a far away land, with which they have absolutely no connection, and people they have no relationship with. And for what? Not for some higher cause, but to kill, rape and butcher innocents they have never met, even raise war against the country they grew in, and potentially killing even the friends they played with in the school yard.

You think there should be more than 2000 for people to criticize it, or discuss about it, or to wonder as to what kind of people are these, and what kind of upbringing have they received, to be so inspired by such acts. A real liberal would have thought that even one is one too many. But what can we expect from Pakis.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-25/2
Sep 15, 2014
02:44 AM

I think that after a few years, left shall be confined only to the student bodies of JNU, till it meets its permanent demise.

Whats InAName, San Francisco
D-24/4
Sep 15, 2014
02:39 AM

>> Translation: "Look how nice I am!"

Here is something that might help you.

3.bp.blogspot.com/-aiyUQtxhhmc/TZMmCA1dP3I/AAAAAAAAAFI/N3i0GwhdzFQ/s1600/Burnol+plus.jpg

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
D-23/3
Sep 15, 2014
02:16 AM

Praiseworthy. Of a piece with the invocation that toilets are more important than temples. 

ashok lal, mumbai
D-22/28
Sep 15, 2014
02:11 AM

The islamists love dhimmis like ananthamurthy. I wonder if they would have felt tthe same if he had urinated on Koran ? Oh well , would he have even survived a day after it ?

SuchBolo
Such Garh, India
D-21/1
Sep 15, 2014
02:10 AM

Now that Mutemute has opened his B***dy mouth, he should be properly tried for crimes against the nation.

If both the Queen Heiress and her pus*y whipped servant, and her lovely daughter are not in prison today, it is only because the Indian judiciary is a FARCE.

misogynist, chennai
D-20/1
Sep 15, 2014
02:06 AM

Feminists who lie about rape must have boiling oil poured into their vagi*a

misogynist, chennai
D-19/8
Sep 15, 2014
02:01 AM


DLN,

>> "At least 15 engineering students, including a girl, from Hyderabad, attracted to the idea of fighting alongside ISIS in Iraq and Syria..."

The total number of jihadis from Europe, America, India etc who joined ISIS is estimated to be less than 2000. The world Muslim population is 1.3 billion. But for your hate prachar any mud that can be thrown at Muslims is okay!

Anwaar, Dallas
D-18/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:58 AM

SLICE the tongues of feminists lying about rape.

misogynist, chennai
D-17/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:57 AM

Selective Hyperreporting by the Antimale Media with the Intent to Negatively stereotype males in General

( SHAMING )
 

misogynist, chennai
D-16/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:54 AM

Selective Hyperreporting by the Antimale Media with the Intent to Negatively stereotype males in General

( SHAMING )

misogynist, chennai
D-15/269
Sep 15, 2014
01:53 AM


DLN,

>> "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears."

Which tree bears hate pracharaks and divisionists like you? Not Hinduism. The RSS!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-14/268
Sep 15, 2014
01:48 AM


DLN,

>>>> "How can a divisive ideology be a part of a unifying ideology?"

>> "In exactly the same way a religion of peace can inspire such violence."

It means that when you have no answer you will fall back on your despicable habit of Islam bashing! Do you have no sense of shame?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-13/27
Sep 15, 2014
01:44 AM


DLN,

>> " ... your admiration for someone who boasts of urinating on idols is understandable. " 

I have never criticized idol worship. Your trying to trash Ananthamurthy because of his one symbolic act is deplorable.  Ramachandra Guha once wrote that “no man now alive in India better deserves the term ‘public intellectual’ than Ananthamurthy. Certainly no English writer in India has anywhere like the social standing of Ananthamurthy, the deep, lifelong, connection with his readers and his public. . . . When Ananthamurthy meets his Maker, his writings and his legacy will be discussed and debated in every district of Karnataka.” Before you guys jump on me let me say that I have never tried to trash Salman Rushdie. I have enjoyed reading his novels. 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-12/26
Sep 15, 2014
01:20 AM


Suchbolo,

>> "We all have read about Akbar, the minority muslim ruler who repeatedly made minarets of skulls of Hindus. This thug is supposedly secular ..."

The campaign to promote anti-Muslim hate is in full swing, while Modi talks of a ten year moratorium on communalism!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
D-11/2
Sep 15, 2014
01:10 AM


> " .... drawing sharp reaction from other parties which accused BJP of trying to create communal polarisation by spreading "canard"."

Sakshi Maharaj has joined a very well orchestrated anti-Muslim hate campaign. Madhya Pradesh MLA Usha Thakore and VHP's Pravin Togadia have called on Hindus to bar Muslims from garba festivals. Adityanath is carrying on with his fight against the so-called Love Jihad. The campaign to exacerbate anti-Muslim feelings is in full swing while Modi talks of a ten year moratorium on communalism. The Minorities Commission is asleep.

Anwaar, Dallas
D-10/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:04 AM

ONLY BECAUSE he was a policeman, she was caught.

misogynist, chennai
D-9/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:02 AM

Feminists who lie about rape must have their tongues chopped off.

misogynist, chennai
D-8/1
Sep 15, 2014
01:00 AM

STOP THE GENDER DISCRIMINATION IN HIRING TEACHERS BY THE ANTIMALE MODI GOVERNMENT.

misogynist, chennai
D-7/2
Sep 15, 2014
01:00 AM


Translation: "Look how nice I am!"

Anwaar, Dallas
D-6/1
Sep 15, 2014
12:59 AM

Males falsely accused of rape, do not get justice unless they kill the accuser himself - in this antimale society!

misogynist, chennai
D-5/25
Sep 15, 2014
12:28 AM

Hindus do not only have a tradition of tolerance but also a tragic tradition of stupidity amounting to cowardice.

We all have read about Akbar, the minority muslim ruler who repeatedly made minarets of skulls of Hindus. This thug is supposedly secular and the Hindu king who fought him is wiped away from pages of history. Indian history is written from the perspective of islmic rulers not the non-muslims who made 90% of the population of the states these islamist rulers ruled.

Just read about the second batttle of Panipat ( 1556 ) between Akbar and Hemu.

From wikipedia.

"Akbar's force won the battle. Hemu was captured and beheaded. His skull was sent to Kabul for display outside the 'Delhi Darwaza.[citation needed] His torso was sent to Delhi and hanged outside Purana Quila on a "gibbet: to intimidate the Hindu population. Hemu's wife escaped from Purana Qila, with the treasures of the fortress, and remained untraceble. Bairam Khan ordered mass executions of Hindus which continued for many years.[13] Hemu's relatives and close Afghan supporters were caught and many of them beheaded.[14] Minarets were made of their skulls at different places. Hemu's 82 year old father who had escaped to Alwar was traced after six months, and was beheaded for refusing to convert to Islam."

Did Indian histry teach you about Hemu whose Kingdom stretched all over N India ?  Just google 'minarets of skulls of Hindus' and you will see how many times it happpened. The point is not to hold muslims of today responsible for past but unless they are made to acknowledge the brutal and barbaric history of Islam , they would not have a basis to change their politics.  Just as Germans were made to acknowledge the truth of holocaust , make muslims acknowledge the truth of extermination of Hindus in every muslim majority area of S Asia.  

The stupidity of many Hindus is in that they collude with Islamists to lie and cheat about Islamic past and the results are there to see in present.

SuchBolo
Such Garh, India
D-4/267
Sep 15, 2014
12:19 AM

Your vocabulary must be pathetic if a dyslexic like me can pick holes at it. Saroja bint Parrot

This explains everything. What has green feathers, a red mouth, picks at other people, endlessly repeats the phrase "Gujarat riots, aaawk", and makes no sense?

A dyslexic parrot.

Janwaar Bibi
BibiSarai, Iraq
D-3/1
Sep 15, 2014
12:18 AM

did anybody tell these commuist bigots that the very state they are so against is providing them hihgly subsidised housing and education in heart of delhi. Most of JNUItes go and joincivil servicesand perpetuate the same system they so vociferously condemn. these guys should be airdropped in iraq or syria

anshul, indore
D-2/266
Sep 15, 2014
12:16 AM

<p>&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Your vocabulary must be pathetic if a dyslexic like me can pick holes in it. Saroja bint Parrot&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;This explains everything. What has green feathers, a red mouth, picks constantly at other people, repeats the phrase &amp;quot;Gujarat riots, aaawk&amp;quot; endlessly, and makes no sense? &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A dyslexic parrot.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;</p>

Janwaar Bibi
BibiSarai, Iraq
D-1/17
Sep 15, 2014
12:09 AM

Tearful Onion,

The blog of mine on Kauar Bano is here 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India