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The government of the day might lack the courage to defend on honest grounds what it has quite reasonably done, but was the substance of the joint statement really as bad for India as the opposition parties and sections of the English-language media claim?


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13/D-74 Jul 24, 2009 08:24 PM	"Salaskar's assistant gives graphic account of 26/11 gunbattle Arun Jadhav, assistant to slain Inspector Vijay Salaskar, emotionally described how arrested gunman Mohammed Ajmal Kasab and his dead accomplice Abu Ismail had fired at the police jeep carrying Karkare, Salaskar, Additional Commissioner of Police Ashok Kamte and three other constables. Describing the events on the night, Jadhav said when they reached Cama Hospital the senior officials, Karkare, Kamte and Salaskar, decided to confront terrorists at the main gate of the hospital and instructed a group of policemen to stay in position at the rear gate. " http://www.indianexp...11-gunbattle/493666/ Totally baseless and motivated report .We know the police Officers were killed by Abhinavies .Check with Antuli ,Ahemed the then UPA's Dy Home Minister and majority of the Minority . happy ram ambalvi Ambala Cantt, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
12/D-67 Jul 24, 2009 05:40 PM	Umair Muhajir's logic is unlikely to resonate in India. Prior to 26 / 11, one could believe that there was some warmth in the people to people part of this troubled relationship. Not any longer. If there was official patronage for the Mumbai attack, it would be a blunder on par with Kargil. The reaction to the joint statement in India shows that some quiet diplomacy is needed. Not having an elephant in the room would help. ashok lal mumbai, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
11/D-56 Jul 24, 2009 01:19 PM	I agree, Ghai, our foreign policy is broken and not now but for time immemorial and it doesn't matter who is in power or who are the bureaucrats. It is broken because we only parrot words learnt from others - "national interest" - we are clueless of what really are our national interests. It is not hardnosed enough - it is all vague, wishy-washy and full of eternal dualities and wanting to be everything to everyone. IMHO, it is tied to a cultural issue that we as a people (collective and as individuals) are just "not comfortable with power" - we want power desperately but the conflict from the duality of "power and powerlessness" is very high within us and unresolved (nor is it in the process of resolution). So we end up with extremes - either saintly, or subsurvient, or prone to misuse or overuse for personal/our benefit at the exclusion of all. We want to show power every opportunity we get - as in I am more powerful than you. As I have said before for me the "Indian road" is a metaphor of this dance of "power and powerlessness" as individuals and as a collective. I for one am glad that the world has not conferred any real power to us except sweet syrupy words because we aren't really ready for it. Hopefully, we will be someday. For me it will be when we start driving where not everyone is trying to get somewhere 30 sec ahead of everyone else with eventually no one getting there any faster. And we drop VIP and VVIP from our vocabulary as a collective. Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
10/D-39 Jul 23, 2009 08:37 PM	"For quite some time now, Pakistani officials have been both hinting and asserting that there is an Indian hand behind the insurgency in Balochistan. India, it is alleged, has been using its growing influence in Kabul to channel weapons and funds to separatists in Balochistan, besides funding a training camp in Kandahar for the likes of the Baloch Republican Army. India’s Research and Analysis Wing also stands accused of masterminding other terrorist acts in Pakistan, including deadly assaults on the Sri Lankan cricket team and a police academy in Lahore. New Delhi for its part has insisted, and not without reason, that it be provided with concrete evidence of Indian involvement. This has now been done, with the reported handing over of a dossier detailing instances of Indian interference in Pakistan. The evidence apparently includes pictures of some senior Baloch separatist leaders conferring with Indian operatives as well as details of safe houses run by RAW in Afghanistan. Proof of India’s involvement in terror financing in Pakistan has also been provided, it is--" http://www.dawn.com/...he-raw-dossier-hs-02 Manmohan ha sbeen trapped by Gilani.How legendary Sahnkar Menon tripped ? So India admits involvement of RAW in Balochistan !!! 'Lamhon ney khata ki thi / Sadion ney saza pai hein ' [ Nations pay price for Centurie stogether for the mistakes committe dby its leaders on the spur ] a k ghai mumbai, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
9/D-38 Jul 23, 2009 08:00 PM	What crap from the Pak-brigade! It's not in Pakistan's national interest to have peaceful relations with India, either domestically or internationally. Domestically, it's sustained, ingrained, institutionalized hatred and enmity of India - a hatred preached to kids from the moment they're born and nurtured and propagated in every school the land- it's this hatred which gives the power-elites their legitimacy, whether military dictators or 'democratically' elected and propel them into power. Internationally, Pak uses its geographic location as the lynch-pin of its foreign relations, using blackmail to receive attention and favored-nation status and aid- military, economic and political- their favorite punch-line being "if you don't support us, the mad mullahs will take over and turn the land into a den of terrorism". Oh yeah- isn't Pak already the epicenter of global jihadi terrorism, without the mad mullahs ever being in power? Fact is, Pak has honed their skill at out-maneuvering the Indians at every turn, and this latest fiasco- by a supposedly very-intelligent and educated Sardar with a Phd no less, speaks volumes about the naive, inept, bungling idiots who run this poverty-wracked land. Bodh Springfield, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
8/D-30 Jul 23, 2009 06:28 PM	I agree with the author that "not talking" cannot be a strategy it can only be a short term tactics of limited value with diminishing returns. But so is the dependence on "putting international pressure to bear". That is the challenge we have no reward/punishment vis-a-vis Pakistan to build a strategy for long term behaviour change. Can't blame anyone else for that either? Like Varun, I also wish that we could just agree and learn to "ignore" each other like modern urban neighbors but that is wishful thinking. So for now, best is for us to keep working at developing our faculties to prevent attacks, and keep talking and boring each other (and hopefully the rest of the world) to death till they stop caring. If we can develop some "hit and run" capabilities to hit the LeT types where it hurts, it would be a wise thing too. But this is all very tough patient work with very long gestation periods for any visible results. Not our strength unfortunately. Oh well. It provides for some good ole mental gyrations and debate :-) Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
7/D-13 Jul 23, 2009 08:37 AM	New Manmohan Singh jee is now seems to in race of Nobel Piece Prize on the expense of country sentiment and need. Who has arranged the meeting at Sharm El Sheikh, is still not clear. Is not S M Krishna jee is only for putting show and real foreign policy is being decided at PMO? The choice of inexperienced foreign Minister some relates it with coming elections now seems done deliberately by the Prime Minister office. What one feels that the PMO becoming bold and bold in its action which they believe in right direction. The confidence placed on P M for second term has made him less caring about country and through sycophants and vested interests of PMO he want to control Home Foreign Finance also. It is not going to pay to put personal ambitions and development of a larger than life and country international image. The country and not Maharashtra elections are in question. Indian nationals are questioning that why succumb every time? We are not allied with war on terror but Pakistan is. India does not have to please all the war on terror allied for nothing. The Sharm El Sheikh statement is a disappointment. No wonder Madame Secretary of foreign department of U S A has tried his best to undo the damage. But the incidence of 26/11 is embedded in heart of minds of Indian, with anger for Kashmir abetments. Prime Minister seems to more concern about the International image in his second tenure and as confident as appears in news that he choose not to consult his party men too. He should learn from Tashkent experience which is example of craved states man ship under foreign pressure of liberal and international persona. It did not find any iota of appreciation at home, and home he is supposed to look after. It is to declare that no arm twisting was done but he must have felt proud when USA pats his back. Why twist the arms when a pat on the back is sufficient. The aspiration of Indian Prime Minister for Nobel Peace Award is not new. From Nehru jee to Vajpayee jee and now Manmohan Singh Jee seems to enter in the race. It may be a personal glory but what about Indian peace of Mind, sense of security and pride on sovereignty of nation? Akhtar javed Usmani Khongapni Koreya Chhattisgarh Khongapani, Koreya, chhattisgarh, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
6/D-3 Jul 22, 2009 01:05 AM	"Better relations and peace, but I know that is not your agenda" The way to do this quite simple. Just send an email(I know I know. Pakis do not have one. Send them a registered mail). The text is as follows "You leave us alone. We will leave you alone. God Bless you". India does not need Pak for anything. It is the Pakis who need this country and moreover who are obsessed by it. Ganesan Nj, USA PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
5/D-52 Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM	Ganesan, >> What should we talk about? Better relations and peace, but I know that is not your agenda. Anwaar Dallas, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
4/D-45 Jul 21, 2009 09:00 PM	Which is the target country your banner heading is suggesting? And your comment Mr. Muhajir, "...such activity (Pak sponsor terror) will increase in the absence of a credible peace process " is laughable, incoherent and visceral in the context of two civilized countries' bilateral issues. Sincerity is the pivotal factor here and that's Pakistan's chief deficiency. dip Dhaka, Bangladesh PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
3/D-33 Jul 21, 2009 07:19 PM	"Bringing maximum international pressure to bear on Pakistan to try to get it to behave more responsibly is a better approach than refusal to talk." Seriously, what is there to talk with Pakistan? This is not a question is jest. I want to go from first principles. Why is talking to Pak a big thing? Why should we talk? What should we talk about? Ganesan Nj, USA PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
2/D-28 Jul 21, 2009 03:31 PM	I think you are the best person to sell your offer to both governments. Sell your ideas to pakistan to meddle third party country into Indo pak tiered "pajama". I am sure about India but may be Islamabad bunker owners will pay you some rihayat from their pocket on your rhetoric "peace" i wish you best luck. Sitting on A/C room and commenting is very easy because you havn't lost anyone your dearest in Pak sponsered terrorism. Havn't you spitted a single word on LeT instead pakistans traditions "terrorism " Why always dose of peace should be started by India. give atleast your knowledge gripe water to Pakistanis that they should concentrate on their problems. Well concerning sport, do not compare Paskistans ground situation with India, All events took place desiteb their initial entourage and perphenalia , IPL, on the other hand ,India preoocupation that leads IPL to move out of country. Indian elections are cannot be managable as Paksian's overnight millitary coups. Well, your claim to pakistan as a nuclear armed and India as a unlikly hovering country to get that status was purely childish,depicts your ignorance, and flash memory as Paksiatns self proclamed defence analyst on Geo TV. Truth is , shallow water wobbles much. i wish you can start with BrassTrackS' Zaid hamid route. Nationhood can not seen throgh prism of brother hood Mr. Muhajir.Its wonderful to know that like many pakistanis so called commentaries, self proclaimed defence anylyst and politicians you have started picking all the items vintaged in 60years oak tree. Well you are well matured that this is not supermarket, where you can go and ask shop keeper ,i need this item. shital essen, Germany PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
1/D-22 Jul 21, 2009 12:07 PM	Mr.Muhajir's arguments are hard-nosed but realistic. Bringing maximum international pressure to bear on Pakistan to try to get it to behave more responsibly is a better approach than refusal to talk. Anwaar Dallas, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE

1/D-22 Jul 21, 2009 12:07 PM	Mr.Muhajir's arguments are hard-nosed but realistic. Bringing maximum international pressure to bear on Pakistan to try to get it to behave more responsibly is a better approach than refusal to talk. Anwaar Dallas, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
2/D-28 Jul 21, 2009 03:31 PM	I think you are the best person to sell your offer to both governments. Sell your ideas to pakistan to meddle third party country into Indo pak tiered "pajama". I am sure about India but may be Islamabad bunker owners will pay you some rihayat from their pocket on your rhetoric "peace" i wish you best luck. Sitting on A/C room and commenting is very easy because you havn't lost anyone your dearest in Pak sponsered terrorism. Havn't you spitted a single word on LeT instead pakistans traditions "terrorism " Why always dose of peace should be started by India. give atleast your knowledge gripe water to Pakistanis that they should concentrate on their problems. Well concerning sport, do not compare Paskistans ground situation with India, All events took place desiteb their initial entourage and perphenalia , IPL, on the other hand ,India preoocupation that leads IPL to move out of country. Indian elections are cannot be managable as Paksian's overnight millitary coups. Well, your claim to pakistan as a nuclear armed and India as a unlikly hovering country to get that status was purely childish,depicts your ignorance, and flash memory as Paksiatns self proclamed defence analyst on Geo TV. Truth is , shallow water wobbles much. i wish you can start with BrassTrackS' Zaid hamid route. Nationhood can not seen throgh prism of brother hood Mr. Muhajir.Its wonderful to know that like many pakistanis so called commentaries, self proclaimed defence anylyst and politicians you have started picking all the items vintaged in 60years oak tree. Well you are well matured that this is not supermarket, where you can go and ask shop keeper ,i need this item. shital essen, Germany PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
3/D-33 Jul 21, 2009 07:19 PM	"Bringing maximum international pressure to bear on Pakistan to try to get it to behave more responsibly is a better approach than refusal to talk." Seriously, what is there to talk with Pakistan? This is not a question is jest. I want to go from first principles. Why is talking to Pak a big thing? Why should we talk? What should we talk about? Ganesan Nj, USA PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
4/D-45 Jul 21, 2009 09:00 PM	Which is the target country your banner heading is suggesting? And your comment Mr. Muhajir, "...such activity (Pak sponsor terror) will increase in the absence of a credible peace process " is laughable, incoherent and visceral in the context of two civilized countries' bilateral issues. Sincerity is the pivotal factor here and that's Pakistan's chief deficiency. dip Dhaka, Bangladesh PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
5/D-52 Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM	Ganesan, >> What should we talk about? Better relations and peace, but I know that is not your agenda. Anwaar Dallas, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
6/D-3 Jul 22, 2009 01:05 AM	"Better relations and peace, but I know that is not your agenda" The way to do this quite simple. Just send an email(I know I know. Pakis do not have one. Send them a registered mail). The text is as follows "You leave us alone. We will leave you alone. God Bless you". India does not need Pak for anything. It is the Pakis who need this country and moreover who are obsessed by it. Ganesan Nj, USA PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
7/D-13 Jul 23, 2009 08:37 AM	New Manmohan Singh jee is now seems to in race of Nobel Piece Prize on the expense of country sentiment and need. Who has arranged the meeting at Sharm El Sheikh, is still not clear. Is not S M Krishna jee is only for putting show and real foreign policy is being decided at PMO? The choice of inexperienced foreign Minister some relates it with coming elections now seems done deliberately by the Prime Minister office. What one feels that the PMO becoming bold and bold in its action which they believe in right direction. The confidence placed on P M for second term has made him less caring about country and through sycophants and vested interests of PMO he want to control Home Foreign Finance also. It is not going to pay to put personal ambitions and development of a larger than life and country international image. The country and not Maharashtra elections are in question. Indian nationals are questioning that why succumb every time? We are not allied with war on terror but Pakistan is. India does not have to please all the war on terror allied for nothing. The Sharm El Sheikh statement is a disappointment. No wonder Madame Secretary of foreign department of U S A has tried his best to undo the damage. But the incidence of 26/11 is embedded in heart of minds of Indian, with anger for Kashmir abetments. Prime Minister seems to more concern about the International image in his second tenure and as confident as appears in news that he choose not to consult his party men too. He should learn from Tashkent experience which is example of craved states man ship under foreign pressure of liberal and international persona. It did not find any iota of appreciation at home, and home he is supposed to look after. It is to declare that no arm twisting was done but he must have felt proud when USA pats his back. Why twist the arms when a pat on the back is sufficient. The aspiration of Indian Prime Minister for Nobel Peace Award is not new. From Nehru jee to Vajpayee jee and now Manmohan Singh Jee seems to enter in the race. It may be a personal glory but what about Indian peace of Mind, sense of security and pride on sovereignty of nation? Akhtar javed Usmani Khongapni Koreya Chhattisgarh Khongapani, Koreya, chhattisgarh, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
8/D-30 Jul 23, 2009 06:28 PM	I agree with the author that "not talking" cannot be a strategy it can only be a short term tactics of limited value with diminishing returns. But so is the dependence on "putting international pressure to bear". That is the challenge we have no reward/punishment vis-a-vis Pakistan to build a strategy for long term behaviour change. Can't blame anyone else for that either? Like Varun, I also wish that we could just agree and learn to "ignore" each other like modern urban neighbors but that is wishful thinking. So for now, best is for us to keep working at developing our faculties to prevent attacks, and keep talking and boring each other (and hopefully the rest of the world) to death till they stop caring. If we can develop some "hit and run" capabilities to hit the LeT types where it hurts, it would be a wise thing too. But this is all very tough patient work with very long gestation periods for any visible results. Not our strength unfortunately. Oh well. It provides for some good ole mental gyrations and debate :-) Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
9/D-38 Jul 23, 2009 08:00 PM	What crap from the Pak-brigade! It's not in Pakistan's national interest to have peaceful relations with India, either domestically or internationally. Domestically, it's sustained, ingrained, institutionalized hatred and enmity of India - a hatred preached to kids from the moment they're born and nurtured and propagated in every school the land- it's this hatred which gives the power-elites their legitimacy, whether military dictators or 'democratically' elected and propel them into power. Internationally, Pak uses its geographic location as the lynch-pin of its foreign relations, using blackmail to receive attention and favored-nation status and aid- military, economic and political- their favorite punch-line being "if you don't support us, the mad mullahs will take over and turn the land into a den of terrorism". Oh yeah- isn't Pak already the epicenter of global jihadi terrorism, without the mad mullahs ever being in power? Fact is, Pak has honed their skill at out-maneuvering the Indians at every turn, and this latest fiasco- by a supposedly very-intelligent and educated Sardar with a Phd no less, speaks volumes about the naive, inept, bungling idiots who run this poverty-wracked land. Bodh Springfield, United States PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
10/D-39 Jul 23, 2009 08:37 PM	"For quite some time now, Pakistani officials have been both hinting and asserting that there is an Indian hand behind the insurgency in Balochistan. India, it is alleged, has been using its growing influence in Kabul to channel weapons and funds to separatists in Balochistan, besides funding a training camp in Kandahar for the likes of the Baloch Republican Army. India’s Research and Analysis Wing also stands accused of masterminding other terrorist acts in Pakistan, including deadly assaults on the Sri Lankan cricket team and a police academy in Lahore. New Delhi for its part has insisted, and not without reason, that it be provided with concrete evidence of Indian involvement. This has now been done, with the reported handing over of a dossier detailing instances of Indian interference in Pakistan. The evidence apparently includes pictures of some senior Baloch separatist leaders conferring with Indian operatives as well as details of safe houses run by RAW in Afghanistan. Proof of India’s involvement in terror financing in Pakistan has also been provided, it is--" http://www.dawn.com/...he-raw-dossier-hs-02 Manmohan ha sbeen trapped by Gilani.How legendary Sahnkar Menon tripped ? So India admits involvement of RAW in Balochistan !!! 'Lamhon ney khata ki thi / Sadion ney saza pai hein ' [ Nations pay price for Centurie stogether for the mistakes committe dby its leaders on the spur ] a k ghai mumbai, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
11/D-56 Jul 24, 2009 01:19 PM	I agree, Ghai, our foreign policy is broken and not now but for time immemorial and it doesn't matter who is in power or who are the bureaucrats. It is broken because we only parrot words learnt from others - "national interest" - we are clueless of what really are our national interests. It is not hardnosed enough - it is all vague, wishy-washy and full of eternal dualities and wanting to be everything to everyone. IMHO, it is tied to a cultural issue that we as a people (collective and as individuals) are just "not comfortable with power" - we want power desperately but the conflict from the duality of "power and powerlessness" is very high within us and unresolved (nor is it in the process of resolution). So we end up with extremes - either saintly, or subsurvient, or prone to misuse or overuse for personal/our benefit at the exclusion of all. We want to show power every opportunity we get - as in I am more powerful than you. As I have said before for me the "Indian road" is a metaphor of this dance of "power and powerlessness" as individuals and as a collective. I for one am glad that the world has not conferred any real power to us except sweet syrupy words because we aren't really ready for it. Hopefully, we will be someday. For me it will be when we start driving where not everyone is trying to get somewhere 30 sec ahead of everyone else with eventually no one getting there any faster. And we drop VIP and VVIP from our vocabulary as a collective. Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
12/D-67 Jul 24, 2009 05:40 PM	Umair Muhajir's logic is unlikely to resonate in India. Prior to 26 / 11, one could believe that there was some warmth in the people to people part of this troubled relationship. Not any longer. If there was official patronage for the Mumbai attack, it would be a blunder on par with Kargil. The reaction to the joint statement in India shows that some quiet diplomacy is needed. Not having an elephant in the room would help. ashok lal mumbai, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE
13/D-74 Jul 24, 2009 08:24 PM	"Salaskar's assistant gives graphic account of 26/11 gunbattle Arun Jadhav, assistant to slain Inspector Vijay Salaskar, emotionally described how arrested gunman Mohammed Ajmal Kasab and his dead accomplice Abu Ismail had fired at the police jeep carrying Karkare, Salaskar, Additional Commissioner of Police Ashok Kamte and three other constables. Describing the events on the night, Jadhav said when they reached Cama Hospital the senior officials, Karkare, Kamte and Salaskar, decided to confront terrorists at the main gate of the hospital and instructed a group of policemen to stay in position at the rear gate. " http://www.indianexp...11-gunbattle/493666/ Totally baseless and motivated report .We know the police Officers were killed by Abhinavies .Check with Antuli ,Ahemed the then UPA's Dy Home Minister and majority of the Minority . happy ram ambalvi Ambala Cantt, India PERMALINK \| LIKE (0) \| DISLIKE (0) \| REPORT ABUSE


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