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Apr 21, 2008
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Khushwant Singh’s review of L.K. Advani’s memoirs left me spellbound (Books, Apr 7). I have always been an admirer of Khushwant, but that’s only for his sense of humour. His joke books are witty even as he comes across as a person with a pompous detachment to the world around. But, for once, his review of My Country, My Life spoke for several Indians—including me.
P. Ramachandran, Bangalore

Having read his review, I’d like to get answers for three questions from Khushwant. Why does he think Mohammed Ali Jinnah asked for India’s partition? Why is the Kashmir issue still unresolved? Are Muslims any better off now than at the time of Partition despite ‘secular’ governments having ruled us for over five decades?
K.C. Sharma, Delhi

Khushwant says Advani sowed the dragon seed of hatred in this country. This is historically untrue—I can tell from experience as a person who was made homeless because of Partition. I was 10 years old in 1947, and my parents—living in a village near Lahore—were given three options: embrace Islam, face death or leave for Hindustan. My family opted for the third after we saw kinsfolk being beheaded and their heads paraded on spears in the local maidan. Now, a Congress government headed by a similar refugee is pursuing a ‘Muslims first’ policy. The income tax I pay also goes to fund Muslim educational institutions. Haven’t I already paid the price of Partition?
K.R. Phana, New Delhi

Of all scholars around, why did you have to pick a reputed Advani-baiter to review his book? We don’t see this happen with Congress politicians.
Gopi Maliwal, Hong Kong

Forget the review, look at the price of the book. It comes to only 60 paise a page!
Suresh Tinaikar, Mumbai
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23/D-89
Mar 30, 2008
12:23 AM
"the RSS was declared illegal and many of its leaders put behind bars."

Yet Nehru chacha could not come up with any evidence and had to revoke the ban on RSS.

"Sonia has proved an astute politician who has so far not made a single wrong move."

Bihar, Jharkhand, Goa, Shibu Soren, UP, Gujarat, Mr Q, the nuke deal........................


Of course I forget. Those mistakes were made by the advisors of the Madame, not by the Madame herself.

"He continues to harp on the issue of her Italian birth, her tardiness in taking Indian citizenship and being close to a fellow Italian, the scamster Octavio Quattrocchi."

All those are facts. Secularists treat facts as minor issue but normal people do not.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
24/D-90
Mar 30, 2008
12:24 AM
"Mahmud Ghazni had destroyed the temple at Somnath;"

That is something for a secularist to admit. Were they not a bunch of lies invented by RSS historians?

"Ayodhya was believed to be the birthplace of Sri Ram (the year of his birth is unknown). "

So what exactly is the relevance of the year of birth to the belief in the birth place?

"This is disputed by historians and the matter was being pursued in law courts."

Was pursued in law courts? Whats the status on those case(s)?

The matter of evidence was pursued outside the law courts during the Chandrasekhar govt. The VHP presented its evidence. The BMAC group led by the eminent historians like Irfan Habib presented their evidence. VHP presented a rebuttal to the evidence of BMAC. BMAC GUYS DID NOT BOTHER TO SHOW UP TO REFUTE THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY VHP.

It would have helped if Khushwant Singh, who is very particular about the year of Rama's birth, had mentioned such facts as well.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
1/D-6
Mar 30, 2008
12:01 AM
"His views on secularism are naive beyond belief. He tries to equate Gandhi’s concept of Ram rajya in which all religions will be treated with equal respect—sarva dharma samabhava—with the RSS concept of Hindutva, "a noble concept," according to him."

Advani and his cohorts want to abrogate secularism without appearing to do so. They will say they support secularism while at the same time subtly attenuating it. In this they will of course use their penchant for inventing new terms or distorting the meaning of standard terms, e.g. psudosecularism, vote-bank, appeasement and so on. Their cleverst trick is to define secularism as equal respect for all religions, instead of accepting its true definition namely complete separation of state from religion.

>> Sonia has proved an astute politician who has so far not made a single wrong move. Likewise, Manmohan Singh has played his role as a nominee prime minister with skill. He has many more plus points to his credit than any of his predecessors. The partnership has worked well with Sonia looking after political matters and Manmohan the administrative. The country has prospered.

One would not know it if one read only the rants and the raves here!

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
2/D-16
Mar 30, 2008
12:02 AM
>> Yet Nehru chacha could not come up with any evidence and had to revoke the ban on RSS.

The Kapur Commission in 1960 held that "Savarkar and his group" were involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Mahatma Gandhi.

ANSWER.COM says, "Following the murder of Mahatma Gandhi on January 30, 1948, police arrested the assassin Nathuram Godse and rounded up his companions. Police investigation revealed that Godse and his chief conspirator Narayan Apte had been a close political confidantes of Savarkar in the Hindu Mahasabha. Despite having publicly denounced Gandhi's murder, Savarkar was arrested on suspicion of having inspired and planned Gandhi's murder, and accordingly indicted. Witnesses during the trial testified that Savarkar had blessed Nathuram Godse before he shot Gandhi, with the words "Yashasvi howun yaa" (Marathi: Come back with success). Both Godse and Savarkar belonged to the Chitpawan Brahmin community. Even before the trial, However, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel had, in a letter to Jawaharlal Nehru, clearly stated his doubts over allegations that Savarkar had masterminded the murder. In the court, approvers had testified to the intimate relationship between Savarkar and the Godse brothers, but there was no corroborative evidence to nail down Savarkar's assertion that he had had merely formal relationships with them. Godse claimed full responsibility for planning and carrying out the attack, in absence of an independent corroboration of the prosecution witness Digambar Ramchandra Badge's evidence implicating Savarkar directly, the court exonerated him citing insufficient evidence.[1]

"Lingering doubts about this version of events led the government of India to appoint the Kapur Commission in the mid-1960s. The Kapur commission was fortunate in having access to testimonies of Savarkar's aides (including his bodyguard and his secretary) and important Hindu Mahasabha functionaries who were not available to the earlier court. The weight of this evidence led Justice Kapur to reverse the conclusions of the court trial and state unambiguously that "all these facts taken together were destructive of any theory other than the conspiracy to murder by Savarkar and his group".
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
3/D-19
Mar 30, 2008
12:03 AM
Ganesan,

>> "Mahmud Ghazni had destroyed the temple at Somnath;" That is something for a secularist to admit. Were they not a bunch of lies invented by RSS historians?

Who has ever denied that Ghazani destroyed the Somnath temple? where do you come upo with such stuff?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
4/D-24
Mar 30, 2008
12:04 AM
CORRECTION :

Justice Kapur Commission's report was released in 1970, not 1960.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
5/D-26
Mar 30, 2008
12:05 AM
Vinod,

>> Jehadi Muslims have proven to the non Muslim world that they dont respect secularism anywhere.

Yes, Jehadis are like Parivaris in many ways.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
6/D-29
Mar 30, 2008
12:06 AM
"Who has ever denied that Ghazani destroyed the Somnath temple? "

Romila Thapar.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
7/D-34
Mar 30, 2008
12:07 AM
"The Kapur Commission in 1960 held that "Savarkar and his group" were involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Mahatma Gandhi."

Squibbling over minor issues.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
8/D-39
Mar 30, 2008
12:08 AM
"succumb to Advani’s interpretation of it and become the Hindu Secular Socialist Republic of Bharatvarsha. Perish the thought."

What troubles me is the socialistic part. I prefer a Hindu Secular Capitalistic Republic of Bharatvarsha.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
9/D-42
Mar 30, 2008
12:09 AM
>>>> "Who has ever denied that Ghazani destroyed the Somnath temple? " >> Romila Thapar.

False. She put the event in a historical context, and said it was not mono-cusal.

>> "Squibbling over minor issues" (about the Justice Kapur Commission which held Savarkar and his group responsible in the conspiracy to kill Mahatma Gandhi).

Sick humor!!!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
10/D-47
Mar 30, 2008
12:10 AM
Vinod,

>> Parivari's are India specific while the Jehadis have a global presence.

That was not the point under discussion.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
11/D-52
Mar 30, 2008
12:11 AM
>>Their cleverst trick is to define secularism as equal respect for all religions, instead of accepting its true definition namely complete separation of state from religion.

LOL>, Namak Haraam Mian, If that is your defifnition of secularism , you should have questioned congress governents for
1. Subsidising muslims for Haj
2. Taking over management of temples while leaving out management of churches and mosques
3. Having prime ministers and ministers throw iftar parties

Did you ? Why are you shedding crocodile tears now?
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
12/D-58
Mar 30, 2008
12:12 AM
>>Their cleverst trick is to
>>define secularism as equal respect for all >>religions, instead of accepting its true >>definition namely complete separation of state >>from religion.

Does this sanctimoniously smug humbug Faruqi even know that this is Nehru's concept of secularism that is continuing till this date? Does the illiterate but pig-headed pimp of congress party even know what the constitutional debates on the subject were? Makes me puke by the level of his ignorance.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
13/D-64
Mar 30, 2008
12:13 AM
"His views on secularism are naive beyond belief. He tries to equate Gandhi’s concept of Ram rajya in which all religions will be treated with equal respect—sarva dharma samabhava—with the RSS concept of Hindutva, "a noble concept," according to him."

Advani and his cohorts want to abrogate secularism without appearing to do so. They will say they support secularism while at the same time subtly attenuating it. In this they will of course use their penchant for inventing new terms or distorting the meaning of standard terms, e.g. psudosecularism, vote-bank, appeasement and so on. Their cleverst trick is to define secularism as equal respect for all religions, instead of accepting its true definition namely complete separation of state from religion.

>> Sonia has proved an astute politician who has so far not made a single wrong move. Likewise, Manmohan Singh has played his role as a nominee prime minister with skill. He has many more plus points to his credit than any of his predecessors. The partnership has worked well with Sonia looking after political matters and Manmohan the administrative. The country has prospered.

One would not know it if one read only the rants and the raves here!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
14/D-69
Mar 30, 2008
12:14 AM
"The concept and practice of secularism has come under heavy criticism and attack during last decade or so. With the onslaught of Hindutva movement, a movement targetted towards the goal of 'Hindu Rashtra' (Hindu Nation) various question marks have been put on secularism as a state policy, secularism as a cultural attitude and on'practice' of secularism by the ruling party."


http://64.233.167.104/s...l=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
15/D-74
Mar 30, 2008
12:15 AM
Freedom of Artistic expression , CAIR Faruki Style.

"British-based LiveLeak.com, which was the first website to post the anti-Quran film by Dutch politician, Geert Wilders, has removed the film after threats to its staff “of a very serious nature,” it said. “This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well-being of our staff above all else,” the company said in a statement posted on its website (www.liveleak.com)."


http://www.hindustantim...n+movie+pulled+from+web


Now wait for Faruki and other fellow CAIR members to organise a protest march , demanding compulsory screening of this movie.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
16/D-77
Mar 30, 2008
12:16 AM
George Fernandes says: Advani knew of decision to send Jaswant to Kandahar.


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/289850.html
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
17/D-79
Mar 30, 2008
12:17 AM
Faruki:

"False. She(Romila) put the event in a historical context, and said it was not mono-cusal."

Minor issue.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
18/D-81
Mar 30, 2008
12:18 AM
Faruki:

"Their cleverst trick is to define secularism as equal respect for all religions, instead of accepting its true definition namely complete separation of state from religion."

For your unkind info, that was the definition of the most admired Gandhi.

But then that is a minor issue.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
19/D-84
Mar 30, 2008
12:19 AM
"The destroyers were Shiv Sainiks and members of the RSS and they boasted about what they had done."

The destroyers were hindus. Many of them belonged to the RSS but many did not. The movement was way more than the RSS and VHP and BJP. They just rode the wave. They did not create it.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
20/D-85
Mar 30, 2008
12:20 AM
Ganesan, there is no point hoping for logical consistency or intellectual honesty from a loser Congressi like Faruki. Apart from not knowing Gandhi/Nehru or even Indian constitutional position on secularism he will whine on and on about BJP or when it suits him, about Sachar commission...
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
21/D-87
Mar 30, 2008
12:21 AM
Ganesan,

>> For your unkind info, that was the definition of the most admired Gandhi.

I know. But any deviation from the definition of secularism as implied in the First Amendment to the US Constitution is a step in the slippery slope to God knows where. The First Amendment simply says, " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". It creates a wall between the state and the church. Some Indian leaders say that religion is too closely intertwined with our lives, so such a wall is not possible. Well, in 18th century America too religion was very important in the lives of the people when they wrote and enacted the First Amendment. I believe that the reason most Muslim majority countries have not achieved the successes that Western democracies have had is because of their difficulty in adopting democratic and secular principles.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
22/D-88
Mar 30, 2008
12:22 AM
Ganesan,

>>>> She(Romila) put the event in a historical context, and said it was not mono-cusal." >> Minor issue.

But you said that she had denied Ghazni sacking Somnath. She never denied it. What you said was a lie, not just a minor issue.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
25/D-71
Mar 31, 2008
12:25 AM
>> >> Yet Nehru chacha could not come up with any evidence and had to revoke the ban on RSS.

>> The Kapur Commission in 1960 held that "Savarkar and his group" were involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Mahatma Gandhi.

Nothing against RSS though, whom Nehru was quick to act against without any evidence.

And BTW, did this Kapur commission report come out around the time of some elections (like the Banerjee report)?
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
26/D-75
Mar 31, 2008
12:26 AM
"Sonia has proved an astute politician who has so far not made a single wrong move."

>> Bihar, Jharkhand, Goa, Shibu Soren, UP, Gujarat, Mr Q, the nuke deal.......................

What else can be expected of the guy who openly supported emergency.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
27/D-79
Mar 31, 2008
12:27 AM
"the serial blasts in Mumbai, the attack on Sabarmati Express in Godhra and the massacre of innocent Muslims in Gujarat can all be traced back to the fall of the Babri Masjid."

Not sure what Singh's point is, but this sounds like a justification of the terrorist acts.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
28/D-83
Mar 31, 2008
12:28 AM
"Manmohan Singh has played his role as a nominee prime minister with skill. He has many more plus points to his credit than any of his predecessors."

What predecessors? He is the first, and hopefully the last, nominee PM.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
29/D-87
Mar 31, 2008
12:29 AM
"What you said was a lie, not just a minor issue."

Squibbling over minor issues.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
30/D-91
Mar 31, 2008
12:30 AM
>>Sonia has proved an astute politician who has so far not made a single wrong move."

>> Bihar, Jharkhand, Goa, Shibu Soren, UP, Gujarat, Mr Q, the nuke deal.......................

What else can be expected of the guy who openly supported emergency.

Well said. Also true to form, this congressi chamha forgets Sonias famous lie in front of the parliament, that she has 272 MPs supporting her.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
31/D-94
Mar 31, 2008
12:31 AM

http://www.dawn.com/wee...rchive/050327/dmag1.htm


Myth 3
The myth of the idol-breaker.

Mahmood Ghaznavi, the great son of Islam and idol-breaker par excellence, took upon himself to destroy idols all over India and spread Islam in the subcontinent.


Mahmud, who came from neighbouring Ghazni, Central Asia, invaded India no less than 17 times. But except Punjab, he made no attempt to conquer any other part of the country or to try and consolidate his rule over the rest of India. In fact, the only thing that attracted him was the treasures of India, gold and precious stones, of which he took care and carried back home a considerable amount every time he raided the country. Temples in India were a repository of large amounts of treasure at the time, as were the churches in Europe, hence his special interest in temples and idols.


"Temples in India were a repository of large amounts of treasure at the time, as were the churches in Europe, hence his special interest in temples and idols"

17 times coming in for "special interest to temples and idols" is surely an hallmark of an extraordinary looter.

gajanan
Sydney, Australia
32/D-97
Mar 31, 2008
12:32 AM
CAIR namak haraam >>But any deviation from the definition of secularism as implied in the First Amendment to the US Constitution is a step in the slippery slope to God knows where.

You were talkig about BJP and its practice of secularism in India. So where does US constitution and first amendment fit in ?
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
33/D-100
Mar 31, 2008
12:33 AM
Bad news for Faruki..

Muthanna Al-Hanooti, Another CAIR Official Indicted On Terrorism Charges

The Council on American Islam Relations [CAIR] is in the news again, this time because the former director of its Michigan office, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, has been indicted on federal terror charges.

Hanooti was at the time of his employment by CAIR an Iraqi agent, a spy, working for Sadam Hussein.

Not only do archived records of a June 2000 CAIR press release - a document first made public by Steven Emerson's Investigative Project - indicate his association with the Saudi funded Hamas mouthpiece, but FEC records excerpted below, show Al-Hanooti listing his employer during the period as being CAIR, as do Michigan incorporation records.


http://www.pipelinenews...=cairhanooti3.29.08.htm


Al hanooti will hopefully keep a seat warm in Gitmo for Faruki.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
34/D-103
Mar 31, 2008
12:34 AM
Farukis Alma mater, CAIR , still does not know who was behind 9/ 11 !!!

"Days after the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, CAIR-New York Executive Director Ghazi Khankan used an online chat with the Washington Post to launch a weeks-long campaign casting them as part of a conspiracy to discredit Muslims. Citing spurious evidence, he claimed that "many of the names of the terrorists are people impersonating innocent Muslims and Arabs.

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper similarly hesitated to blame al Qaeda. "We condemn the attacks on the buildings,'" he told Salon.com, adding, "If Osama bin Laden was behind it, we condemn him by name." Asked why he qualified the response, Salon.com reported, "Hooper said he resented the question."

- As late as June 2005, CAIR-Canada Advisory Board Member Jamal Badawi questioned responsibility for 9/11. Calling the attacks "un-Islamic" and declaring, "I strongly condemn" them, he told the Saudi Gazette it had not yet been confirmed who was actually behind the actions. And at an August 2005 "Know Your Rights" workshop sponsored by CAIR-San Diego, invited speaker Randall Hamud responded to an audience member's comment that there was "still no evidence that Muslims carried out 9/11" by saying, "Maybe a hundred years from now we'll find that out."


http://www.familysecuri...errorism.php?id=1387079

lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
35/D-107
Mar 31, 2008
12:35 AM
"Advani tells us that on Gandhi’s murder the RSS was ordered to observe 13 days of mourning."

What a load of crap. Just shows the two face lying face of rss AGAIN.


"The latter explained, "If we object to the conduct of some Muslims in our society, it is not because they follow Islam but rather because of their lack of loyalty to India."

Bingo


"In his book, Advani claims that breaking the mosque was not on his agenda and he actually sent Murli Manohar Joshi and Uma Bharati from the dais to plead with the breakers to desist. If that is so, why were the two seen embracing each other and rejoicing when the nefarious task was completed?"

Just shows the two face lying face of advani AGAIN.


"Advani has quite a lot to say about Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat. He exonerates him from the charge of allowing the massacre of innocent Muslims following the attack on the Sabarmati Express at Godhra. It is a symbiotic relationship: Modi helps Advani win elections from Gandhinagar in Gujarat; Advani stands by Modi whenever his conduct comes under question from the higher echelons of the BJP."

Quid pro quo. Power grab is the ultimate objective country may go to hell.
pkkumar
pune, India
36/D-110
Mar 31, 2008
12:36 AM
"Well said. Also true to form, this congressi chamha forgets Sonias famous lie in front of the parliament, that she has 272 MPs supporting her. "


You forget. Thats a minor issue.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
37/D-113
Mar 31, 2008
12:37 AM
The only solution to this country's woes is resurgence of communist values throughout the country. It has time and again proved that Congress and the BJP have profiteered from generating communal passions over the decades.Vajpayee is senile while Advani is not far behind (being senile). Let communism be given a chance where it is not a prominent party( i.e states excluding Bengal and Kerala).
Vivek Chatterjee
Calcutta, India
38/D-116
Mar 31, 2008
12:38 AM
Ganesan,

>> You forget. Thats a minor issue.

272 can be an issue for a day or a week, and confusion in counting MP's or MLA's has occurred many times before, but for the mudslingers such an item becomes indispensable.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
39/D-118
Mar 31, 2008
12:39 AM
"but for the mudslingers such an item becomes indispensable."

Amen!! A mudslinger who is also a nitpicker will nitpick the issue 272 times. And then start all over again.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
40/D-64
Apr 01, 2008
12:40 AM
>> A mudslinger who is also a nitpicker will nitpick the issue 272 times. And then start all over again.

I know.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
41/D-65
Apr 01, 2008
12:41 AM
see

"if it had something to say about me. I do not have an ego problem."

Khushwantjji , ego is the driving force for few solutions and many problems. If you did not have an ego, then you should be called " Sant Khushwant Singh". A better word would be " atitude". Probably you do not have an atitude problem. Ego is there with all human beings , some throw it around, some hype it, some want their ego massaged. Praji , hope you did not have a chotta peg while using the word ego.



gajanan
Sydney, Australia
42/D-66
Apr 01, 2008
12:42 AM
Some questions to Mr Khushwant Singh:
Why does he think Jinnah ask for India's partition?
Why is the Kashmir problem persisting like a sour
wound without cure?
The secular governments have ruled India for five decades.Are the Muslims much better off now than
they were at the time of partition?
I expect honest answers from Mr Singh.
K.C.Sharma
Delhi, India
43/D-43
Apr 02, 2008
12:43 AM
Well Well

Fascist bigots are in full force all of them present with all of their avatars etc. Not one has anything to say about the comments but rather go off on a tangent about so and so and so.

It isn't surprising for rabid ppl to behave like this.
pkkumar
pune, India
44/D-45
Apr 02, 2008
12:44 AM
dear fascist bigots, advani is a well-documented terrorist who has a number of cases pending against him in pakistan. No wonder he was praising jinnah.

The other PM from bjp, atal bihari vajpeyi is a well documented traitor who fed his colleagues to british during freedom struggle. It is a well known case in gwalior.

These are the two luminaries of bjp and prospects for pm : - )
pkkumar
pune, India
45/D-42
Apr 03, 2008
12:45 AM
>> we also hear of Hindu kings engaging in the destruction of the royal temples of their political adversaries. In the early tenth century, the Ras htrakuta monarch Indra III not only destroyed the temple of Kalapriya (at Kalpa near the Yamuna River), patronised by the Rashtrakutas' deadly enemies, the Pratiharas, but also took special delight in recording the fact.

Ruins of such temples destroyed by rival Hindu kings are now counted as temples destroyed by Muslims!!!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
46/D-43
Apr 03, 2008
12:46 AM
Frontline 09, 2000
If this is NRam's magazine journal, His Peoples Daily of Chennai is no better. This NRam is Karunanidhi's drunk Ram , En Ram ( My Ram). Frontline is an affront to JNU's academics.


http://www.dawn.com/wee...rchive/050327/dmag1.htm



Myth 1

Our history begins from 712AD, when Mohammad bin Qasim arrived in the subcontinent and conquered the port of Debal.

Take any social studies or Pakistan studies book, it starts with Mohammad bin Qasim. What was there before his arrival? Yes, cruel and despotic Hindu kings like Raja Dahir and the oppressed and uncivilized populace anxiously waiting for a ‘liberator’ to free them from the clutches of such cruel kings. And when the liberator came, he was welcomed with open arms and the grateful people converted to Islam en mass.

Did it really happen? This version of our history conveniently forgets that the area where our country is situated has had a long and glorious history of 6,000 years. Forget Moenjo Daro. We do not know enough about it. But recorded history tells us that before Mohammad Bin Qasim, this area, roughly encompassing Sindh, Punjab and some parts of the NWFP, was ruled by no less than 12 different dynasties from different parts of the world, including the Persians (during the Achamaenian period), the Greeks comprising the Bactrians, Scthians and Parthians, the Kushanas from China, and the Huns (of Attila fame) who also came from China, besides a number of Hindu dynasties including great rulers like Chandragupta Maurya and Asoka.

During the Gandhara period, this region had the distinction of being home to one of the biggest and most important universities of the world at our very own Taxila. We used to be highly civilized, well-educated, prosperous, creative and economically productive people, and many countries benefited a lot from us, intellectually as well as economically. This is something we better not forget. But do we tell this to our children? No. And so the myth continues from generation to generation.

Gandhara


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara


This writer acknowledges the greatness of Gandhara and Chandragupta Maurya. This bugger all NRam, does not even acknowledge anything like this article from Dawn. I would applaud SKazi more than NRam, who justs spews venom in his People's Daily of Chennai and in his magazine Drunkenline.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
47/D-44
Apr 03, 2008
12:47 AM
Vinod,

>> The following links may help you remind and refresh.

Not relevant to the point I was making.

>> Hindu Mahasabha has done nothing wrong in precipitating a partition.

Again your argument is not relevant to any of the points that I remember making. See the top setence in this post preceded by two arrows? Without such reference I do not know what you are talking about.

>> Dorje/Bodepudi's apprehensions and concerns about India being Islamised is not without a reason.

Please feel free to join him in his hate promotion campaign if you agree with him.

>> That's not my argument but the feelings of any Hindu.

Which argument?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
48/D-46
Apr 03, 2008
12:48 AM
When Hindu kings removed idols from temples, the idols themselves continued to be revered( as symbols) in their new location. Moslem kings destroyed and effaced from the earth those temples and idols. That's a highly discredited argument to use, that Indian kings before the Moslem conquest desecrated their own temples, and therefore that somehow mitigates/justifies what the Moslem invaders and rulers did. Rubbish!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
49/D-104
Apr 04, 2008
12:49 AM


Those scattered examples don't compare with the relentless destruction of temples by Moslem invaders and rulers. Also, to repeat, the idols and temples did not cease to exist, when they were looted or even 'desecrated' by Hindu rulers.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
50/D-106
Apr 04, 2008
12:50 AM
It's interesting how Thapar goes into detail when any question of Hindu Kings despoiling temples arises. The same attention to detail is wholly absent when dealing with Moslem assaults on the temples.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
51/D-108
Apr 04, 2008
12:51 AM
SANAULLA SHARIEF:

Even if some Hindu kings did defile Hindu temples, how can that justify Muslims doing the same?

If a man beats his wife does every other man have the right to beat her?

And there is the little matter of scale. Are large pre-Islamic Hindu temples very rare in most of North India because of Hindu kings or Muslim ones?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
52/D-110
Apr 04, 2008
12:52 AM
Sharief:

If it is OK to destroy Hindu temples, what's your problem with people destroying mosques?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
53/D-112
Apr 04, 2008
12:53 AM
Sharieff:

Your argument is as if some Nazi said: "Why do Jews complain about Hitler? Have they not had Jewish kings who have massacred Jews - like Herod? Don't Jews murder one another? Why blame the Nazis?"
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
54/D-72
Apr 05, 2008
12:54 AM
Varun,

>> Those scattered examples don't compare with the relentless destruction of temples by Moslem invaders.

"Scattered" and "relentless" as characterized by you!!!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
55/D-73
Apr 05, 2008
12:55 AM
In any case, those examples don't in any way justify or mitigate the Moslem destruction of Hindu temples. It would be an insult to our intelligence to say that the Moslems destroyed those temples because they witnessed Hindus doing the same thing! As if "Hmmmm, the natives are desecrating and removing idols from temples, so let's go one step further: demolish them!" Ludicrous!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
56/D-74
Apr 05, 2008
12:56 AM
Hindus are not pagans or heathens, except in the minds of idoiots and imbeciles.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
57/D-75
Apr 05, 2008
12:57 AM
India promotes terror in Balochistan: Pakistan

PTI | January 24, 2008 | 23:44 IST


India is interfering in Pakistan's internal affairs through "information centers" it has set up in Afghanistan and promoting terrorism in Balochistan, caretaker Information Minister Nisar Memon has said.

Addressing a news conference in the southwestern city of Quetta, Memon said India should avoid interfering in Pakistan's internal matters.

Such actions, he said, went against the spirit of the ongoing composite dialogue process.

Referring to Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta's comment that the Gwadar Port on the Balochistan coast has "serious strategic implications for India", Memon described the statement as proof of India's "involvement in promoting terrorism in Balochistan".

Memon said the statement regarding Gwadar Port, which is being built by Pakistan with Chinese help, strengthens doubts about India's "involvement in attempts to create a law and order situation in Balochistan".

He said India had set up 13 information centres in Afghanistan with the prime objective of spreading "disinformation" and disturbing the peace in Balochistan to "hamper the construction of Gwadar Port".

The port will play an important role in Pakistan's economy and provide a trade gateway for the entire region. In view of its significance, India did not want its smooth completion, Memon said.

"We reject the statements of Indian leaders," Memon said.

Such statements could have a negative impact on bilateral relations and vitiate the atmosphere, he added.

"Pakistan will also not tolerate any interference in Gwadar," the minister said.

Memon emphasized the government's resolve for the timely completion of the port to usher in a new era of progress and prosperity for Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
58/D-76
Apr 05, 2008
12:58 AM
Interestingly, Baluchistan was one of the states that did not vote for Pakistan, or where Islamic terror-separatism was strong. The reactionary,fascistic Moslem League was never strong there. Okay, back to the topic of Advani's book...
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
59/D-77
Apr 05, 2008
12:59 AM
Varun,

>> It would be an insult to our intelligence to say that the Moslems destroyed those temples because they witnessed Hindus doing the same thing!

Nobody said that. The simple point is that destroying places of worship of a conquered kingdom was a common practice, and that many of the ruins that are counted as temples destroyed by Muslims were actually destroyed by conquering Hindu kings. Muslims did add many more later, an equally shameful matter.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
60/D-78
Apr 06, 2008
01:00 AM
Muslims may or may not have destroyed the Hindu temples, but at the present times, it is Hindus who loot their ancient temples to rob the Panchola idols, it is the Hindus who smuggle them and it is the Hindus who sell it to the antique dealers in Europe and North America.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
61/D-79
Apr 06, 2008
01:01 AM
India is a major exporter of hides and skins, including cow hides and all the exporters are Hindus.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
62/D-80
Apr 06, 2008
01:02 AM
An article by Harish Damodaran (Business Line, September 4) presented Central Government statistics which stated that the meat India produces most is beef (1.44 million tonnes in 2000); the second is buffalo meat (1.42 million tonnes) and only third, is mutton and lamb (0.7 million tonnes). Source The Hindu Sept 16,2001
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
63/D-81
Apr 06, 2008
01:03 AM
Poor Singh, he may be forced to pray (but whom, as he claims to be an atheist) not to be alive to see that sad day! One wonders what was the purpose of picking a well-known Advani-baiter to review his book. We do not see that happening in other cases. One wonders why?
Gopi Maliwal
Hong Kong, China
64/D-90
Apr 07, 2008
01:04 AM
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> hindu kings destroyed hindu temples. it shows how little gf knows about hindus, or their way of thinking.

Shows how little you know about history or about anything else. I am sure you are goung to continue writing your empty-headed asinine posts for the rest of the day. Seems you love to make a fool of yourself in public!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
65/D-91
Apr 07, 2008
01:05 AM
Sharieff:

It is Muslims who sold Palestinian land to Zionists.

So what's your gripe?

Satisfied?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
66/D-92
Apr 07, 2008
01:06 AM
2004-2005: Employment and Unemployment Situation among Religious Groups in India
Submitted by kashif on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 03:53.
Highlights

This report is based on the seventh quinquennial survey on employment and unemployment conducted in the 61st round of NSS from July, 2004 to June, 2005. The survey was spread over 7,999 villages and 4,602 urban blocks covering 1,24,680 households (79,306 in rural areas and 45,374 in urban areas) and enumerating 6,02,833 persons (3,98,025 in rural areas and 2,04,808 in urban areas).In this survey information on religion followed by each household was collected as part of the household characteristics. The reported religion of head of the household was considered as the religion of all the household members irrespective of the actual religion followed by individual members. Seven main religions were identified in the survey. They were Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism. Among these the followers of Hinduism, Islam and Christianity formed the three major religious groups. Some of the key findings are stated below:

* In rural areas, about 84 per cent per cent of households having 83 per cent of population followed Hinduism whereas 10 per cent of households followed Islam with about 12 per cent of population. Further, about 2 per cent of households and population followed Christianity. In urban areas, the percentage of households and population were about 80 and 77 respectively for Hinduism, 13 and 16 for Islam and 3 and 3 for Christianity. Even after excluding the state of Jammu and Kashmir, having different geographical coverage in different NSS rounds, the proportion of persons by major religious groups remained more or less same.

* The sex ratio was the highest among the Christians (994 in rural and 1000 in urban areas) followed by the Muslims (968 in rural; 932 in urban) and the Hindus (961 in rural; 912 in urban).

* In the rural areas, "self-employment" was the mainstay for all the religious groups. About 37 per cent of Hindu households were dependent on "self-employment in agriculture". The corresponding proportion was 35 per cent for the Christians and 26 per cent for the Muslims. The proportions of households depending on "self-employment in nonagriculture" were 14 per cent for the Hindus, 28 per cent for the Muslims and 15 per cent for the Christians. In the case of "rural labour" households, the proportions varied from 32 per cent (Muslims) to 37 per cent (Hindus). In urban India, the proportion of Hindu households depending on "self-employment", "regular wage/salary" and "casual labour" were 36 per cent, 43 per cent and 12 per cent respectively, whereas the corresponding shares for the Muslims were 49 per cent, 30 per cent and 14 per cent respectively and for the Christians 27 per cent, 47 per cent and 11 per cent respectively.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
67/D-94
Apr 07, 2008
01:07 AM
* In rural India, proportion of households in the lowest three monthly per capita expenditure (mpce) classes combined (viz. less than Rs.320 for a month) was highest among Hindus (14 per cent), followed by Muslims (12 per cent) and Christians (8 per cent). In urban India, the proportion of Households in the lowest three mpce classes combined (viz. less than Rs.485 for a month) was the highest among the Muslims (25 per cent) followed by the Hindus (12 per cent) and Christians (8 per cent) On the other hand, in the urban area, proportion of households in the highest three classes of mpce combined (viz. more than Rs.1380 for a month) was 38 per cent for Christians, 28 per cent for Hindus and 13 per cent for Muslims. In rural areas, proportion of households in the highest three classes of mpce combined (viz. more than Rs.690 for a month) was 47 per cent for Christians, 24 per cent for Hindus, and 20 per cent for Muslims.

* The Christians had the lowest illiteracy rate both for rural (20 per cent for males and 31 per cent for females) and urban areas (6 per cent for males and 11 per cent for females). Except for rural females, the proportion of literates among the Hindus was higher than that among the Muslims. Among the rural females, the illiteracy rates were almost equal among the Hindus and the Muslims (59 per cent). The corresponding rate was as low as 31 per cent among the Christians.

* In the rural areas, Worker Population Ratio (WPR) among the males was highest among Christians (56 per cent) followed by Hindus (55 per cent). The corresponding figure for Muslims was lower (50 per cent). As in the case of males, WPR for females for Christians (36 per cent) and Hindus (34 per cent) was much higher than that for Muslims (18 per cent). In urban India, the WPR among the males was the highest among Hindus (56 per cent) followed by Muslims (53 per cent) and the Christians (51 per cent). The WPR for Christian women (24 per cent) was much higher than those among Hindu (17 per cent) and Muslim women (12 per cent).



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
68/D-96
Apr 07, 2008
01:08 AM
* For the rural males in the age group 15 years and above, WPR in the educational level secondary and above was the highest among the Hindus (76 per cent) followed by the Christians (72 per cent) and the Muslims (67 per cent). However in urban areas, it was equal (71 per cent) among Muslims and Hindus and lower (64 per cent) among Christians. For the rural females in the same age group with same education level, however, the rates were highest among the Christians (37 per cent) followed by Hindus (30 per cent) and Muslims (18 per cent). Similar pattern was also observed among urban females in the same age group.

* More than half of the workers in the rural areas were self-employed, the proportion being the highest among the Muslim workers both males (60 per cent) and females (75 per cent). In the urban areas also, the same pattern is observed. The proportion of regular wage/salaried workers was highest among Christians in both rural and urban areas among both males and females. The proportion of casual labourers was highest among Hindus for females in both rural (34 per cent) and urban (18 per cent) areas.

* In rural areas, the unemployment rates (URs) were higher among the Christians (4.4 per cent) as compared to those among the Hindus (1.5 per cent) or the Muslims (2.3 per cent). In the urban areas also same pattern was observed. However, the URs in urban areas were more or less same for Hindu and Muslims (4 per cent). Further URs for females were generally higher in all major religious groups as compared to males in both rural and urban areas. The UR was highest (14 per cent) among the urban Christian women.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
69/D-98
Apr 07, 2008
01:09 AM
Are there enough worms running on these pages, MR. VIKAS RANJAN?.

Do you have the guts and ability to give me a point-by-point rebuttal like do?.

Or is it all sound and fury signifying nothing?.

Finally, I do not lie here.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
70/D-100
Apr 07, 2008
01:10 AM
Supreme Court present CJI and Judges




K. G. Balakrishnan(CJI)


B. N. Agarwal


Ashok Bhan


A. Pasayat



H.K. Sema


S.B. Sinha


S.H. Kapadia


A.K. Mathur



C.K.Thakker


Tarun Chatterjee


P.P.Naolekar


Altamas Kabir



R.V. Raveendran


Dalveer Bhandari


Lokeshwar Singh Panta


D.K. Jain



Markandey Katju


H.S. Bedi

V.S. Sirpurkar


B. Sudershan Reddy



P. Sathasivam


G.S. Singhvi


Aftab Alam


J.M. Panchal


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Are Twenty Per Cent Of The Justices from the Minority Community?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
71/D-102
Apr 07, 2008
01:11 AM
[Mahatma] Gandhi himself says, "I know there are scholars who tell us that
cow-sacrifice is mentioned in the Vedas. I... read a sentence in our Sanskrit
text-book to the effect that Brahmins of old [period] used to eat beef" [M.K.
Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, New Delhi, 1991, p. 120].
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
72/D-104
Apr 07, 2008
01:12 AM
· The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
73/D-106
Apr 07, 2008
01:13 AM
Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
74/D-108
Apr 07, 2008
01:14 AM
Truth Hurts_ no doubt truth hurts in direct proportion to the degree of conflict with previous, though unfounded, convictions.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
75/D-70
Apr 08, 2008
01:15 AM
Al-Kabeer is a very big beef processing and exporting unit in Andhra Pradesh.It is owned and run by Hindus
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
76/D-71
Apr 08, 2008
01:16 AM
For those who want to read more, they can refer to 'The Myth of the Holy Cow by D N Jha, Pforessor of History, University of Delhi'
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
77/D-72
Apr 08, 2008
01:17 AM
Majority of ST,SC and BCs eat beef in AP.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
78/D-73
Apr 08, 2008
01:18 AM
"Majority of ST,SC and BCs eat beef in AP. "

Sanaullah Beef Sharief. Given the number of posts on beef, I guess you deserve a dinner in a Steak House. Ask Dn Jha for a treat.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
79/D-74
Apr 08, 2008
01:19 AM
SANAULA SHARIEF:

Hinduism does not give the final say to any authority, including Vivekananda. Hinduism is what Hindus today decide it is. Most do not accept beef-eating.

Incidentally, if it is academics you are impressed by (you cite Jha) how about your accepting that Islam was a fraud as explained by the distinguished historian Ibn Warraq?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
80/D-75
Apr 08, 2008
01:20 AM
Actor Shreya molested in Tirumala temple
8 Apr 2008, 1735 hrs IST,PTI

Swiss woman raped in Pushkar
21 Jan 2008, 0002 hrs IST,TNN


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
81/D-89
Apr 09, 2008
01:21 AM
“...Vijay Kumar Malhotra coming forth with the theory that when Hindutva hero, Veer savarkar, suggested cow slaughter was a good thing he meant foreign cows only. God knows what he meant......Talveen Singh column , The Indian Express Feb 22,03
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
82/D-90
Apr 09, 2008
01:22 AM
To be an Indian Cow is a Fate Worse than Death
In Farukhpur, Jhajjar district of Haryana, The cow-shed is just a half -acre enclosure within the Hanuman temple complex housing about 800 cows at a time without enough fodder and care. About 300-350 die each year and are sold for 600 rupees. The Indian Express October 30,2002
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
83/D-91
Apr 09, 2008
01:23 AM
Precision guided SOB >> Swiss woman raped in Pushkar

Even a so called top PSU official from Pukistan is nothing better than a gutter inspector in india. LOL.

Even the so called famous economists is reduced to count the number of rapes and molestations in India. What a pathetic life !!

Presision guided SOB reconfirms the old saying that you can take a person out of a gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of him.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
84/D-92
Apr 09, 2008
01:24 AM
Swiss woman raped in Pushkar
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This is a Statement of Fact, like the one about Ms Shreya, the actor, being molested in a Temple.
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Even a so called top PSU official from Pukistan is nothing better than a gutter inspector in india.
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I was given to believe that there were no gutters in India. Unless, of course, you are taking about the gutters that criss-cra=oss Indian minds.
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LOL.
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Same to you.
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Even the so called famous economists is reduced to count the number of rapes and molestations in India. What a pathetic life !!
------
In research there is no pathos. I am trying to highlight the correlation between the Tourism provided by India, Sri Lanka and Thailand and Sexual Activity which includes the Voluntary and the Involuntary kind and its ramifications on the social mores and sexual health of Indians.
------

Presision guided SOB reconfirms the old saying that you can take a person out of a gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of him.
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Is that why India has got "Gutter Inspectors", MR. LBMN?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
85/D-93
Apr 09, 2008
01:25 AM
Precision guided SOB >>I was given to believe that there were no gutters in India.

Ofcourse. You are right , Thanks for reminding me. you pukistanis collect all our excreta in your mouths. So there is no need for gutters in India, according to you.

Keep up the goodwork. keep mopping our s**t.

>>I am trying to highlight the correlation between the Tourism provided by India,

What you are constantly highlighting is your breathtaking stupidity. Keep it up SOB , you are a real piece of art.

Indians , please thank you for stars . The biggest gutter from India walked away to Pakistan many years ago and made life better for Indians.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
86/D-94
Apr 09, 2008
01:26 AM
Let us clear your mind a bit, MR. LBMN, and bring on a cleaner focus, do you think that it would be possible for Hindus to constitute Twenty Per Cent of thw World's People before the close of this Century?.

I have decided that it is counter-productive to be drawn in to the type of dialogue that is your Forte. Instead I will address issues to the more decent and well-behaved members in this Forum on such issues as Poverty, Wellness, Urban-Rural Divide, Plight of Farmers and the like.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
87/D-95
Apr 09, 2008
01:27 AM
>> Instead I will address issues to the more decent and well-behaved members in this Forum on such issues as Poverty, Wellness, Urban-Rural Divide, Plight of Farmers and the like.

Dear precision guided SOB , the same problems are also present in Pakistan .

So address them by all means for Pakistan and leave us Indians alone.

I am sure you will be having a magazine similar to or better than outlook in the great pakistan.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
88/D-96
Apr 09, 2008
01:28 AM
I talk in the context of South Asia and the World.

One gets to see how narrow-minded you are, MR. LBMN, when you reduce a Global Issue to the usual India-Pakistan Issue.

If you would have kept your eyes open instead of jerking your knees, you would have observes I talked about World Issues.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
89/D-97
Apr 09, 2008
01:29 AM
Dear precision guided SOB,

Those who want to reform and change the world , will ideally start with their own homes first.

Only a certified Idiot like you will point out a dead fly in your neighbours plate, when there is a stinking dead stale pig in your own plate.

besides , who wants to learn from losers??
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
90/D-98
Apr 09, 2008
01:30 AM
Was the use of the word pig in respect of a Muslim country deliberate, MR. LBMN?. If so, it show your bent of mind.

You will please note that I talk of South Asia.

I never said that India is a loser. All I say is that Indians refuse to believe that India stinks.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
91/D-99
Apr 09, 2008
01:31 AM
Awesome, profound point "India stinks". The messiah Joseph is greatly needed for people to realise this. Us heathens are grateful for the messiah's wisdom. Now that HE has imparted this breathtaking revelation, would HIS eminence please go fly a kite, and let us lesser beings discuss what we want to about India, our country or country of origin.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
92/D-100
Apr 09, 2008
01:32 AM
York, Toronto does not, MR. VARUN SHEKHAR, that is why you are there. Messiahs save and foretell the future, I point out the present.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
93/D-101
Apr 09, 2008
01:33 AM
Was the after-though of our country of origin a Fruedian Slip or a Safety Net, MR. VARUN SHEKHAR?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
94/D-102
Apr 09, 2008
01:34 AM
I am not a crude idiot like you Joseph. You know what, Canada "stinks" in its own way.So does just about every country. How so, you may ask. Because there are slums equivalent to Dharavi? Not at all. Because the people in general lack warmth and depth, though they are hard working, clean and efficient. I can see the good and bad points of coutries, and I don't take a crudely materialistic view of everything, unlike nincumpoops like you.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
95/D-103
Apr 09, 2008
01:35 AM
Whether it was a Freudian slip, an afterthought, or more likely an inclusive term, is not your concern anyway, you freaking nutcase.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
96/D-81
Apr 11, 2008
01:36 AM
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> if destruction of the babri masjid , an old ruin has resulted in a permanent rift between muslims and hindus...

Who mentioned "a permanent rift"? Are you hallucinating? Go easy on that bottle



if destruction of the babri masjid , an old ruin has resulted in a permanent rift between muslims and hindus...

Who mentioned "a permanent rift"? Are you hallucinating? Go easy on that bottle!




Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
97/D-54
Apr 12, 2008
01:37 AM
Rational discussion gives way to emotionally charged challenges., and will divert discussion to the mystical and intangiable.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
98/D-55
Apr 12, 2008
01:38 AM
“Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions”
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
99/D-71
Apr 13, 2008
01:39 AM
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> Why are there so few muslim writers, painters,
doctors engineers, and hardly any entrepeneurs ...

What a rotten ignoramus! Or should I just call you a druken sot?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
100/D-72
Apr 13, 2008
01:40 AM
Asking Khushwant Singh to review Advani's autobiography is like asking a mullah to critique cow worship.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
101/D-73
Apr 13, 2008
01:41 AM
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> i asked you a question. why are there so few doctors, artists, writers , entrepeneurs in the muslim community.

Idiot, your question is based on a lie, and I have answered it before, giving you a long list of successful Muslim Indians, as well as Muslim international celebs including 5 Nobel Peace Prize winners, and several other winners in other categories. But considering the memory loss resulting from your alcholism, I fully expect you to ask the same question again after a few weeks! You have no business other than writing endless empty-headed hate messages. What a waste!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
102/D-80
Apr 14, 2008
01:42 AM
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> send this list againn-so all the other members of the forum can see it.

I have better things to do than to keep answering a drunk bigot.

>> but you dumbo have yourself admitted that they are stupid and dumb.

You have lied more in this forum than anyone else.

>> you are a disgrace.

The evening is still young in Denmark, but you are already besot! No more replies to you for the rest of the day, but do stop drinking, will you!

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
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