It's impossible to comprehend your posts- the meandering prose expresses several disjointed ideas. (To Aditya Mookerjee)
It's impossible to comprehend your posts- the meandering prose expresses several disjointed ideas. (To Aditya Mookerjee)
You're not the only one.
It's impossible to comprehend your posts- the meandering prose expresses several disjointed ideas.
I believe the value of higher education lies in developing citizens trained in different disciplines that need specialized skills. The value creation is how you impart a set of skills and a process of thinking into the students who can carry them forward and hone them further after graduation. That's not all. Since human learning is ever dynamic and newer discoveries continue to revise our previous knowldge ,the curriculum needs to be updated from time to time and the teachers need to refresh their knowledge. Instituions of learning also generate new ideas through their research . Obviously, you need quality faculty, infrastructure for modern teaching and research, always up to date curriculum and disciplined processes to build all institutions of higher learning. And all these cost money. In India the government is subsidizing the lion's share of the cost, That's why you can live with the ignorance that either quality education does not cost much or privately financed higher education is run on money alone.
Your understanding about manufacturing and education needs to change. Human progress over the centuries from cave dwelling to modern housing, from dark nights to electricity illuminated evenings, from hard physical work to comfortable living, from commuting on foot to space travel, from dying young to living longer- would never have been achieved without the human quest for adding more to their contemporary knowledge and developing newer things for even better quality of living. It is the collected human endeavour of billions of humans over the centuries (despite the fact that every human is mortal) to accumulate their knowledge that benefits generations of humans. The value of the education lies in applying the latest knowledge in improving human quality of living. If like you (and the anti-consumerist leftist intellectuals) all other humans believed that more manufacturing is unnecessary because it leads to more use of resources then the human society wouldn't have advanced across generations. On the contrary, newer ideas about renewable energy, alternative sources of production, sustainable manufacturing, more efficient and leaner manufacturing process , non-polluting production methods etc. are contributions of our ever expanding knowledge and education. Innovations indeed lead to routine manufacturing processes, but the innovations do not stop and therefore the processes also need to change. Education creates value continuously, contrary to what you understand.
Your comparison of IIT with AIIMS is totally misplaced. Scores of doctors educated in AIIMS and other medical colleges in India have settled overseas. Also a doctor makes a lot more money than an engineer in USA. So the assumption about doctors choosing to make no money from a noble profession and only engineers hanker after money is foolish. More Given milllions of poor patients, how many of them can be treated at the hospital facilities at AIIMS or by AIIMS trained doctors elsewhere?
DC >> Manufacturing sector in India has suffered because of faulty government policies that repelled private investments. Why did multinationals set up high tech manufacturing facilities in China and in East Asian countries including Vietnam, but not in India? Don't blame IITians for that.
To elaborate bit further - manufacturing post 2000 has not come to India because we lack the infrastructure. Vajpayee kind of realised this when he tried to bring golden quadrilateral and reformed power sector. But the UPA and its dynasty believe in only charity and making us a nation of beggars so infrastructure has taken a back seat. Take the example of the Delhi-Mumbai corridor, where a dedicated rail track to be laid to link the places in between. The project started in 2004-05, still nothing much happend in ground. This is why India is not able to make the cellphones and iPads and LED TVs that are made in China or Malaysia. And our intellectuals who use thse products are not bothered, but rather are interested in right to eat biryani and right to drink wine act that will be enacted in UPA3 government.
Response to post # 23: There is one All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and many more I. I. T.'s. What is more relevant, employment in the health sector, or other tech. sectors, in your opinion? I personally think, that one A. I. I. M. S. was made an institution, and remains one, as the institute is of paramount importance to civilian interests. The second most regarded medical facility in India is the military medical facility in Pune, Maharashtra, India, and is run by military medical authorities.
The I. I. T.'s are comparable to the A. I. I. M. S., but what is the relevance to the current situation? The graduates of I. I. T., went abroad, because there were no jobs that they saw employed their abilities appropriately. Also, when new abilities are innovated by the I. I. T.'s, the process is an innovation due to conservation of certain resources, time which is also a resource among them. The resources aren't being conserved, in India, but costs are increasing due to over utilization of resources. I don't say I am right, but my perception is not more than what it is, nor less. It seems, the best educational institutions run on currency, and how currency funds them. These institutions have imparted an education, that has undervalued instruction, in general, both monetarily, and in material, as more manufactured material has led to the undervalue of currency to perception.
Money has no value, but the exchange value. We see money overvalued and undervalued, when no such perception is best, perhaps. Just off the record, I saw a B. B. C. documentary on the Roman Empire. Apparently, the prosperous city state, made the Roman Army very morale relevant, and the army had many defeats, before they expanded the borders.
Nehru created IITs with the expectation that the graduates from the temples of technology would join the public sector manufacturing companies to spearhead technological progress of the nation. Public sector companies instead were run by the bureaucrats and politicians accumulating huge losses to the exchequer, while taxpayer subsidized IIT education gave passport to better paying jobs to its alumni in India and overseas - mostly in multinationals and private sector companies.
IITs have admitted some of the brightest minds through very tough and competitive admission test. The graduates have done well in their professional career in India and abroad. Reputation of IIT alumni enhanced IIT's brand as premier engineering institutions. Yet IITs have not been recognized globally for the quality of research of IIT faculty. Nor could they take pre eminent role in leading technological progress of the nation. You can question whether the government should still be funding IITs if their original mission was never accomplished. In this regard, IITs are not the only institutes, there are several engineering colleges that are funded by the government. Should the government subsidize undergraduate engineering education? Should the tax payers pay stipend to students pursuing a post graduate technological education? Given the pathetic track record of a large number of private professional colleges that charge huge fees, provide low quality faculty and lousy infrastructure, the government's withdrawal from higher education will have to be gradual.
There is room for a healthy debate. But bashing IITians alone is often out of sheer jealousy. If I fail to qualify in IIT JEE and I see its alumni in lucrative professional career, I will bring in all the issues to bash IIT graduates. ( MBA bashing is quite common everywhere and in America graduates of Ivy League schools are bashed often by those who never went there). Every engineering graduate from India from government funded colleges is recipient of tax payer funded subsidy. That should not mean that they would only work in villages developing technology for the rural poor. ( Don't be so stupid as to believe that the rural poor want technology for the bullock cart and they do not like computers and cellphones.)
Manufacturing sector in India has suffered because of faulty government policies that repelled private investments. Why did multinationals set up high tech manufacturing facilities in China and in East Asian countries including Vietnam, but not in India? Don't blame IITians for that.
The situation seems to be, that education is a process that doesn't increase value, but decreases value. Manufacturing is creating needless production, perhaps, and it seems, that the people who use processes, don't create the concept. This is what our education system seems to promote in the whole system. The cost of production is more than the selling price in the broad view.
Completely agree with Dunu Roy.IIT was created to create scientists,technologists & Researchers to serve country to catchup with Industrial Revolution in which India was left behind due to British Rule.Intellect that IITians boast of just made them Baniya instead of Engineers.They took advantage of Tax payers money,studied for cheap & ran to foreign shores or MBA business to serve thier Masters & their selfish existence.
They are so cunning & corrupt that they join organization after B.Tech using IIT's brand on hefty salary but give nothing to organization in return,instead prepare for CAT,GMAT,CFA, GRE etc.And people from lesser salary & lesser Brand have to do their work.I have seen many Intelligent IITians who can't even do Programming properly but they deamand top appraisal rating,recommendation letters & keep on bootlicking for Business Analysts or Onsite opportunity.
60+ years of IIT's,no metionable inventions or Research by IITians.Inspite of getting best brains none of IIT's figure even in top 100 world ranking.
They are just slaves of their Masters & their Greed like a Donkey,hence don't deserve subsidy in fee or respect for fellow Indians as their contribution to Science or country is worthless/minuscule.So Instead of Criticizing Dunu,do some self introspection.
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