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With my cut-off marks, the choice was limited but my caste helped me get admission in a Chennai college. I faced no discrimination.


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1/D-4
Jul 08, 2006
12:01 AM
In Research now all is in molecular level with the advent of computing . A good Maths BSc and MSc with Physics is good training for research work. Only for a routine job Eng degree is enough. but in research you have to be good in Maths annd Physics along with computing The Trend in US & many countries at research in many areas is to go for molecular level work. So if you get Physics , Chem & Maths BSc, do well in that and learn well. May be you will be better researcher than B.Tech or MTech
Rama
Rama
Brisbane, Australia
2/D-9
Jul 08, 2006
12:02 AM
great. i am happy for the author. he availed the AA which helped him join the mainstream without any discrimination.
it is really very heartening to see good use of AA.

but what i cant help wondering is, now that the author has joined the mainstream, will he want the AA to be made available to his kids also?
bhushan
richmond, United States
3/D-9
Jul 09, 2006
12:03 AM
sto this reservation non-sense and compete as an equal, reservation can not be good for any one's self esteem.
Ajay
Troy, usa
4/D-13
Jul 09, 2006
12:04 AM
I wonder what would this guy comment about Infosys if he did not get the job.
... a Brahminical firm ... medieval casteist attitutes etc ... there should be resevations in private sector .... etc etc
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
5/D-16
Jul 09, 2006
12:05 AM
".. but struggled with conceptual and abstract subjects like fluid mechanics.."

There is nothing abstract and conceptual about Fluid Mechanics. To me ,It is an highly interesting and exciting branch of Science firmly rooted in Numbers, Equations, Experiments and hard facts.For example, I am sure you remember your Bernoullis Equation.
shankar
Mumbai, India
6/D-19
Jul 09, 2006
12:06 AM
Reservations are here to stay. Go shout where ever you want guys.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
7/D-18
Jul 10, 2006
12:07 AM
Hi Vikas,
>>>Reservations are here to stay
so are Rape, wife beating and child molestation.
Seshadri
Chennai, India
8/D-20
Jul 10, 2006
12:08 AM
Mehta, The positive side of the story is appeasing and really a welcome thing for the existing rotten AA system. But why don't you also look at the negative side of this regime.

In TN all UC's are kicked out of the entire system right from the stage of even dreaming for it even worse than the Nazi's regime. Despite having good cut-off marks and some of them dwelling in poverty, they couldn't secure their place in the strata of the society. With raising levels of academic excellence there's no such thing as General quota with more quotawallahs barging into this, raising the AA beneficiaries to 100%, leaving all the rich UC's take-up either the payment seats in a second-rated institution or flee out of the country and all poor UC's are naturally kicked out in the process.

TN is a perfect example for the creamy layer which all the Govts. deliberately encourage, leaving the supposed & genuine targets of the AA in the same place where it was, along with the ethnic cleansing of the UC's.

Why don't you make me write an article on my experience of TN AA... It can turn out to be the story of that pianist escaping from the Nazis.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
9/D-24
Jul 10, 2006
12:09 AM

Using reservation is not criminal offence but, my dear, Rape, wife beating and child molestation are criminal offence. Many shout, that reservations would kill the developmet of the Nation, but my dear till the end of 20th century the so called Upper Casts ruled this Nation, what did they achieved. Were they successful to take the Nation forward? still India is called the third world Nation, Thanx to the UC who ruled the Nation for centuries.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
10/D-29
Jul 10, 2006
12:10 AM
vikas,
there was no "indian nation" till 1947, leave alone UCs ruling it. prior to that, the kindoms were monarchies, that too for the last 1000 years, they were not hindu but islamic monarchies in most parts of current india.

no denying the curse of caste system, the atrocities perpetrated by the UCs on LCs, but stop blamin all the maladies afflicting india on UCs. The UCs incidentally stopped being the rulers long time ago. They were only exploiters of LCs. Today in urban areas, even that isnt true any more.
bhushan
richmond, United States
11/D-33
Jul 10, 2006
12:11 AM
I am not balming anyone. I am just asking you guys to stop shouting that because of LC's and SC/ST's India is not developing. And you haven't got my point they might not have been ruling the land but, definately the UC's were ruling all the sectors in India or may be still, but they could not even develop a single sector. You agree that the UC's were mean exploiters before and to some extent, I argue that they are still. Even if you dont find it in urban India, my dear still 70% of India is considered rural, and those pratices still exist there. Forget the past, the present situation demands reservations for under prevelaged society(sc/st's and lc). Let them enjoy the benifits. Many countries in the world provide reservations to the under previlaged society like the Americans provide it to Red Indians and Blacks . If it is not wrong there, why should it be worng here in India.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
12/D-35
Jul 10, 2006
12:12 AM
I am curious why S. Senthil Kumar has not mentioned the area he completed his engineering degree in. He says that he is working for Infosys now. I have a feeling that it is not Computer Science. But then that is the way it happens nowadays, you can be a mechanical engineer and still writing codes.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
13/D-37
Jul 10, 2006
12:13 AM
Vikas... one would agree that most sectors were indeed dominated by the UC's and to some extent now also. But on the same breath, the only sector which can & should be held responsible for the Nation's growth, the politics was never ever dominated by the UC's in this 6 decades, except maybe during our infancy as a new Republic.
No one is against the idea of AA, which's inevitable to balance our social equilibrium. But the way it's currently done in India only favours very few deserving ones apart from ofcourse the vote-bank centric politicos.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
14/D-38
Jul 10, 2006
12:14 AM
vikas,

agreed, AA is needed. but who is benefitting from these policies? only a tiny % of the real oppressed. most of the seats are gobbled up by the rich and powerful SCs in the cities, where there is no discrimination.

Also, in cases like the author's, why should the children of the people who have already availed the benefits and joined the mainstream get quota seats?

besides, as Narayan points out, all the state policies were formulated by the govt, which has been dominated by the quota folks.
not to blame the common quota folks, but the politicos, whether LC or UC are all after the same thing - more votes, and the current resrvation policy is merely a tool for more votes not social justice as you would like to lable it.
the AA has to be taken to the real oppressed. i doubt if they even know about the policy.
bhushan
richmond, United States
15/D-39
Jul 10, 2006
12:15 AM
to add to the last msg,

i am all for the AA directed towards the SC/STs. but not for the OBCs. The OBCs are land owners, mill owners, cattle owners etc. they might not be visible in the education sector, but they are by no means poor or oppressed. they are equally responsible for persecuting the SC/ST people.
bhushan
richmond, United States
16/D-40
Jul 10, 2006
12:16 AM
Vikas commented, "Many countries in the world provide reservations to the under previlaged society like the Americans provide it to Red Indians and Blacks . If it is not wrong there, why should it be worng here in India."

Well, let me say this, you can't really compare the affirmative action in US with reservation system in India. First of all, the magnitude is different as US AA is for "minorities", while the reservation system in a state like TN is for majority (69% reservation). Secondly, the AA in US doesn't compromise on academic merit. Third, if there is no minority candidate, the seat is not wasted but offered to a non-minority candidate, unlike India. Fourth, and most important difference is that affirmative action is not forced on Universities and companies, unlike in India.

So, don't mix apples and oranges to prove your point, please. Reservation is needed in India but for poor people only, irrespective of caste. I had 2 colleagues in college whose parents were IAS officers but still they used their caste to get admission. If someone doesn't find this disgusting, I don't think he/she is thinking straight. This is the kind of reservation that is happening in India. Rich families belonging to so called 'low caste' are exploiting the system to repeatedly reap the benefits of this rotten system . And these are the people who defend the reservation system most vocally, because it is like robbing them of free ticket to life.
kunal
denver, usa
17/D-26
Jul 11, 2006
12:17 AM
Kunal,
The basic concept of why reservations are needed is same anywhere in the world. Please do some research before talking about Apple, Oranges...............
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
18/D-28
Jul 11, 2006
12:18 AM
I am not proving anypoint, It is already a statement made by Government of India.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
19/D-30
Jul 11, 2006
12:19 AM
Sai/Bodepudi,

>> "Coming back from the digression ...."

You just can't help it. You had to inject your communal poison in an otherwise excellent post!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
20/D-31
Jul 11, 2006
12:20 AM
Vikas Says >>> The basic concept of why reservations are needed is same anywhere in the world.
Except in India where it's used only for Vote-Bank politics and to suppress the caste minorities, most of whom never used to comeout & vote.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
21/D-32
Jul 11, 2006
12:21 AM
Ok I agree, some times(every elctions since Indipendence) politicians tend to use reservations as a tool for extra votes, but I doubt if any have been successful using this as a tool. Look at the public sector most of the jobs are filled by UC'S, only a minor portion of jobs have been given to OBC's and these are low level jobs.
Ok I might agree they have been given the low level jobs because of their skills, but I strongly believe that reservations should be provided at the universitly level.

Politics should not mix with Religion/cast, unfortunately in India politicains use religion/caste.

Comming to the point of reservations, I feel they are needed and if properly implemented it would be benificial for the under previlaged castes.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
22/D-33
Jul 11, 2006
12:22 AM
vikas says Look at the public sector most of the jobs are filled by UC'S, only a minor portion of jobs have been given to OBC's and these are low level jobs.


dude... are you kidding me??!!! it is the public sector where the reservations are at its peak. and probably the only sector. private sector has no reservation and no discrimination either.

and frankly, i dont think that caste has anything to do with the poor performance of PSUs. it is the socialistic policies of govt. the divested PSUs didnt fire any of the employees, but their performance has greatly improved. an eg. would be sterlite grp.

if you still want to stick to your claim of caste, then how about this. the private sector is dominated by UCs (not my claim, but that of champions of reservation regime)... and look how they perform when compared to PSUs having 30% reservations.
bhushan
richmond, United States
23/D-34
Jul 11, 2006
12:23 AM
why take it as case for dalit or SC,,,, its avery general case for any poor student,,, why to use it to market reservation ... and my dear author,,, u getting admission inspite of low percentage and u getting lesser fees is a discrimaintion in itself; though in ur favour this time so u willl think it as positive?

pls think of those poor students who were in ur village school.... their plight is just same as yours, so what if they are from upper caste! did being upper caste help them any way?? pls note my point only includes POOR students,,, dont quote examples from those upper castes who were well off.
moonis
guildford, UK
24/D-35
Jul 11, 2006
12:24 AM
Bushan, check the facts before you type.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
25/D-36
Jul 11, 2006
12:25 AM
Bushan, One more thing, I am not your 'DUDE', neither you are mine. The reason for Public Sector being not so productive is completely differnt concept.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
26/D-37
Jul 11, 2006
12:26 AM
Vikas,

I am not arguing about why reservation is needed. I am accepting that it is needed to provide help to poor and powerless people. What I am disagreeing with is the way they are being implemeneted in India. Please do not take offense due to my apples/oranges comment. I am simply saying that using caste as the sole criterion for reservation is not a good thing as there are many well-to-do people who keep using the reservation again and again, just like the example I gave in my previous post. If you think about it rationally, it doesn't make sense to have a system where rich people can get shortcuts just by using their last name. What should be done is to modify the reservations to include only those who are financially challanged, and limit it to only one generation per family.
kunal
denver, usa
27/D-38
Jul 11, 2006
12:27 AM
I completely agree if anyone says that reservations should be provided only for people belonging to economical poor sector. But it pains me if, people blindy blame backward communities just because some sector is providing reservations and its the sole reason for that sector not functioning compared to other sectors.
Private sector tend to do beter than public sector because of the only reason of accountability. If you dont work you are fired in private sector, which keeps the workers on their toes, but its not completely same in public sector.
Believe me, I know lots of young people form Backward communities who are doing extremely well in their education infact competing with others with/without using reservation. I do agree, some rich people from backward communites misuse reservations. but again its the role of the government to keep a clause that only poor or poor backward communites are eligible for reservations.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
28/D-40
Jul 11, 2006
12:28 AM
vikas,

please enlighten me on the reasons for dismal performance of the PSUs. let me also see your "facts" you want me to check.

you also say "The reason for Public Sector being not so productive is completely differnt concept
concept ???

i never suggested that LCs are responsible for the plight of the PSUs and i was trying to make precisely the same point you made in ur last post. govt policy doesnt believe in firing the lazy bums. period. the only difference was in the use of words. i couldnt think of the word accountability. thats all.

u dont want to be my dude... fine by me. couldnt have cared less ..
bhushan
richmond, United States
29/D-41
Jul 11, 2006
12:29 AM
Bushan,
use google. Type Public Management.
Definately you will find lots of documets related to it.
I am not here to make freinds, I just wanted to give my opinion and hope its constructive.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
30/D-76
Jul 12, 2006
12:30 AM

didnt find anything that even remotely explains the failure of indian public sector.

and wtf..
whoever told you dude = friend. i never suggested that you become my friend.

first you fail to understand the context of the post, which in essence concurred with your own ideas, then you go on to assume that i wanted to make frineds based on ur ideas on the word dude.

bhushan
richmond, United States
31/D-77
Jul 12, 2006
12:31 AM
Bushan,
I am not responsible if you are dumb enough to undersatnd something.
Better keep your mouth where it is. If you are educated, speak like one.
I had few doubts before about your research qualities before, but I am now aim sure that you suck in it. Better go and learn how to google first, may be it will help trying to search meaning of the word 'dude' first.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
32/D-78
Jul 12, 2006
12:32 AM
If all PSU's can be competent and can perform well why in the world should they fear for dis-investment. They CANNOT perform and WILL not even if pressurized. Even the Govt. Dept guys do their work satisfactorily (at an additional price). It's the Nehruvian Socialistic shit & the commies in each PSU's combined with reservation which actually makes all the LC's the laziest & in-competant of all generation after generation.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
33/D-79
Jul 12, 2006
12:33 AM
vikas,
time and again you have demonstrated ur inability to understand plain simple english - both ways : vocab wise and grammar wise. unfamiliar with the meaning of dude, and inability to comprehend sentences with more than one clause/phrase.

i dont need to research the meaning of dude.
fyi...


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dude

http://webster.com/dictionary/dude

apprently you r in need for some learning..and some omega3 in your diet to enchance the ability to learn.

adios..

bhushan
richmond, United States
34/D-80
Jul 12, 2006
12:34 AM
Traditionally a dude (pronounced /d(j)uːd/) is a vole; a man who dresses flashily. But in recent years, the term has taken on a colloquial meaning at variance with that: it now means a male friend, mate, comrade, or associate. It can also be used as an informal form of address when the speaker does not know the name of the person that he or she is speaking to. A dudette or a Dudie is a female friend, comrade, or associate, although increasingly, "dude" is being used as a gender-neutral address. Formerly, the word was associated with Western movies. The new usage entered the mainstream from California surfer slang from at least 1968, referenced in the movie Easy Rider, and today is strongly associated with Generation X.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude


time and again you prove your dumb and suck in research skills.
Sorry if i dont respond to your messages in future, as it is usless.
Do not insult yourself often, by typing nonsence here.
Vikas
Erfurt, Germany
35/D-81
Jul 12, 2006
12:35 AM
in the wake of so many meanings for the word dude, it was extremely presumptious of you to assume that i intended to use it in the "friend" context. i wonder what made u think, i was using it in a positive context...an exaggerated notion of self worth is a strong possibility
it was in the "Dandy" context, which you repeatedly prove to be most apt.
i couldnt care less about what you think. i didnt think it worthwhile to put in research efforts for a retarded moron like yourself, with an overestimate of selfworth.

bhushan
richmond, United States
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