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Outlook asked 30 leading composers, lyricists and singers to name their all-time favourite Hindi film songs. Here are the top twenty.


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1/D-6
Jun 17, 2006
12:01 AM
"Mehfil se uth jane walo , tum logon par kya ilzaam, tum abad gharon ke baati main awara aur badnaam, mere saathi mere saathi mere saathi khali jaam."
This one sung by Mohd Rafi should also have been there.
Romi Singh
Indore, India
2/D-16
Jun 17, 2006
12:02 AM
A write-up of this depth - a cover story none the less, deserved a look at the seamier side of Indian film music - blatant, unabashed and shameless plagiarism. As a country priding itself on moral values, we teach our children not to cheat in exams or make a fast buck at the expense of someone else. And here we have...one of the largest musical industry in the world, almost thriving on rampant plagiarism!

A simple cursory glance at a site like

http://www.itwofs.com

would be of immense help. Almost every popular song of each generation has a western/ Indian original, mostly western. And with actual song clips to prove the lift/ inspiration, its time we stopped shoving this murkier side of our film music under the carpet. Composers like Nadeem Shavan have made plagiarism their sole earning mode, just take a look at the amount of music they have plagiarized. In a western country, they'd be permanently behind bars. But not so in India, since even popular magazines like yours are hell bent only on glorifying these acts and never ever have we seen the incredible amount of plagiarism coming to the forefront.

In fact, going by the amount of plagiarism, it perhaps deserves a separate cover story!
Karthik S
Bangalore, India
3/D-22
Jun 17, 2006
12:03 AM
karthik is right in pointing out about plagiarism.
incidentally, in north, plagiarism is synonymous with "jugaad", an accepted norm in indian society. There have been songs, like "itna na mujh se tu pyar bada" by salil chaudhry, which was a lift off from composition of beethowen or mozart.
Salil chaudhry made it a point to acknowledge the original composer before accepting any laurels.
the same cannot be said of some of the jury members, like this anu malik, adesh shrivstva, etc. they are scums, indian society has become very adept at producing.
nits
nashville, USA
4/D-24
Jun 17, 2006
12:04 AM
I can believe that a song from 'Kal Ho Na Ho' made it in Top 20. The Song selection is outrageous and what's more painful to see is that the jury consists of the who's who in music industry. Many great songs are missing from the list. It looks more like public ka choice type song selection.These songs are good but not the best by any strech of imagination.
BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Selection.
Milind
Mumbai, India
5/D-25
Jun 17, 2006
12:05 AM
My list of 10 Best Hindi Film Songs Ever has 10 Lata Mangeshkar songs.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
6/D-18
Jun 18, 2006
12:06 AM
My 3 favourite songs are:

1. Jab koi baat bigad jaye, jab koi mushkil pad jaye, tum dena saath mera O humnawaaz, naa koi hain naa koi thaa zindagi main tumharay siva, tum dena saath mera O humnawaaz...

2. Meray pyaar ki umar ho itni sanam, teri naam say shuroo teray naam pay khatam..

3. Kya mausam hain, aaye diwanay dil, to chal kahee dur nikal jaye, koi humdum hain mohabbat kay Qabil...
Abhimanyu
Mumbai, India
7/D-21
Jun 18, 2006
12:07 AM
kya ghatiya choice hai abhimanyu kee. Shows his standard and level of sophistication, a third class brain with a third class taste!
nits
nashville, USA
8/D-23
Jun 18, 2006
12:08 AM
What about- (1) Ye raat ye chnadni phir kahaan? (2) So ja raajkumari so ja (3) O mere laal aaja
bull
Ludhiana, India
9/D-24
Jun 18, 2006
12:09 AM
Apart from Khaiyyam, Gulzar, Javed Akhtar, Manna Dey and Mahendra Kapoor, none of the other jury members (OJMs) have any "sound" knowledge of music.
And what a lousy choice and that proves the point these OJMs have had a very limited (or should one say zero) experience listening to music of the 40s,50s,60s -the golden age of hindi film music.
These OJMs probably have no idea of the existence of real gems. Some examples.

1. Patita - Mitti Say Khelte Ho Baar Baar Kis Liye - Lata Mangeshkar - Shailendra - Shankar Jaikishan
2. Seenay Men Sulgatay Hai Armaan - Talat & Lata - Prem Dhawan - Anil Biswas
3. Main Tumse Puchh Ti Hoon
4. Mitti Mein Sona-Poocho Na Humen- Asha -O P Nayyar
5. Baiju Bawra - Man Tadpatt Hari Darshan - Rafi - Shakeel - Naushad
6. Seema - Suno Chhotisi Gudiya Ki - Lata - Hasrat - Shankar Jaikishan
7. Barsaat Ki Raat - Na To Karwa Ki Talaash - Rafi, Manna Dey, etc. - Sahir - Roshan
8. Oonche Log -Mohd Rafi-Jaag Dil E Diwana-Majrooh Sultanpuri - Chitragupta
9. Pyaasa-GeetaDutt-Jane Kya Thune Kahi-Sahir Ludhianvi-S D Burman
10 Sazaa - Tum Na Jane Is Jahaan Mein Kho - Lata Mangeshkar - Sahir Ludhianvi -S D Burman

I can go on, the list can be a very long one.
In future, please stop appointing such ignorant OJMS for any such surveys/selections.
Satish Haldankar
Bombay, India
10/D-25
Jun 18, 2006
12:10 AM
What about Lata Mangeshkar's "Jaago Mohan pyare" from "Jaagte Raho"?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
11/D-29
Jun 19, 2006
12:11 AM
Before I could complete I hit the Submit button.
The Songs number 2 and 3 are
2. Tarana - Seenay Men Sulgatay Hai Armaan - Talat & Lata - Prem Dhawan - Anil Biswas
3. Black Cat - Main Tumse Puchh Ti Hoon - Lata - Jan Nissar Akhtar - N Dutta
Satish Haldankar
Bombay, India
12/D-32
Jun 19, 2006
12:12 AM
NITS is quite right about the plagiarism in Hindi movies and it being part of that "Jugad Culture"; but currently even west has scumbag of music coming out from Popular culture. On the other hand, the song as sung in Hindi remains the one of the few things we still enjoy and binds us as Indians.
Dinesh BC
London, United Kingdom
13/D-34
Jun 19, 2006
12:13 AM
and the worst song has to be 'assa dil tere kadamach' from the movie "Balwaan". The song is hilarious...looks like picturised on a handycam and i can't believe Asha Bhonsle agreed to sing this song. You have to hear it and watch it to believe me.
ta,
Balwaan
Arvind Rai
Londres, United Kingdom
14/D-36
Jun 19, 2006
12:14 AM
I also like 'rula kay gaya sapna mera, baithee hoon kab ho savera' and 'Tum hee pukar lo, tumhara intezar hain'...I must also mention another favourite of mine from movie 'Amrapali' which is 'tumhay yaad kartay kartay, jayegi...
Abhimanyu
Mumbai, India
15/D-37
Jun 19, 2006
12:15 AM
And my choice for the worst non-filmi hindi song has to be Neena Gupta's "Go to court, court, court". FANTACULAR ( fantastic + spectacular) is the word that comes to my mind. I don't know where you can find this song on the net but believe me if you wanna have some great laughter, do check this song. the lyric is awesome!, the video ...even better :)
Arvind Rai
Londres, United Kingdom
16/D-38
Jun 19, 2006
12:16 AM
I can not understand how any jury could have totally left Mukesh out of the top 20 list.

Forgetting for a minute that Mukesh had anything to do with it, how could the jury have ignored the claims of a song like 'awara hoon' to be in the Top 20, if not in the Top 3.

This is indeed disappointing.
Lakshmi Srinivas
- -, USA
17/D-39
Jun 19, 2006
12:17 AM
I am sure the Outlook Jury had better reason to judge these as the best 20. For me, they are the 20 among the best Hindi film songs. Now, could you provide audio links for your readers to hear them out?
P Silhi
Kartarpur, India
18/D-41
Jun 19, 2006
12:18 AM
The top 20 - more like the middle 20.
Gems like
Ye mehalon, ye takhton Sitaron ki duniya from Pyassa
Pyar Hua from Shree 420
Any song grom Pakeeza,
etc etc. were surprisingly not included.

To top it the selection included an utterly average fare like Kal Ho na ho.
Even among the current songs - a jiya dhadak dhadak from Kalyug is far superior than the popcorn fare of kal ho na ho.

Sheesh who made the selection.
Navdeep Hans
Delhi, India
19/D-42
Jun 19, 2006
12:19 AM
“The only difference between the songs of ‘Then’ and ‘Now’ is the ‘Tag’ on them – ‘PRICELESS’ and ‘WORTHLESS’.”
Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
20/D-43
Jun 19, 2006
12:20 AM
Well, the list looks good on the face of it. But there are some great songs that are missing. Its not easy to prepare such a list, especially when there are a number of great songs of yesteryears that still ring in our minds

But Kal Ho Na Ho is definitely an eye-sore here.

My top 20 (not in any order) would be :

1) Kisiki Muskuraahaton pe ho nissaar - Mukesh
2) Jaane woh kaise log the jinke pyaar - Hemant Kumar from Pyaasa
3) Jinhe Naaz hai Hind par, woh kaha hai - Rafi from Pyaasa
4) Chingaari koi Bhadke - Kishore from Amer Prem
5) Jaane Kaha Gaye Woh Din - Mukesh from Mera Naam Joker
6) Yeh Raat, Yeh Chaandni phir kahan - Hemant Kumar
7) Laaga Chunari mein daag - Manna Dey
8) Kahi Deep chale kahi dil - Lata
9) Dil Cheez Kya Hai - Asha Bhonsle
10) Manzilein Apni Jagah - Kishore from Shaarabi (all the trash that Bappida composed can be forgotten for this one great song)
11) Waqt ne kiya, kya haseen sitam - Geeta Dutt
12) Jaane Kaha mera jigar gaya ji - Rafi
13) Tere bina zindagi se koi - Kishore & Lata
14) Is Mod se jaate hain - Kishore & Lata
15) Poocho na kaise maine rain bitaayi - Manna dey
16) Kasme vaadein pyaar wafaa sab - Mannadey
17) Dharti Kahen pukaar ke - Manna Dey & Lata
18) Na Kisi ke aankh ka noor hu - Rafi
19) Mere piya gaye Rangoon (nothing has ever come about to beat this fun song)
20) Chura liya hai tumne jo dil ko - Kishore & Asha
Srinivas
Delhi, India
21/D-44
Jun 19, 2006
12:21 AM
Here is another random list of golden oldies. This list does not contain any songs composed by Shankar Jaikishan, as that would be a separate list and long one at that.
1. Aar Paar-Kabhi Aar Kabhi Paar- Shamshad Begum- O P Nayyar
2. Adalat-Yun Hasraton Ke Daag - Lata - Madan Mohan
3. Ambar-Hum Tum Yeh Bahar -Rafi & Lata- Ghulam Mohammad
4. Anarkali-Yeh Zindagi Usiki Hai- Lata - C Ramchandra
5. Andaaz-Tu Kahe Agar -Mukesh - Naushad
6. Bees Saal Baad-Kahin Deep Jale Kahin Dil- Lata Hemant Kumar
7. Dekh Kabira Roya-Tu Pyar Kare Yaa- Lata - Madan Mohan
8. Didi- Tum Mujhe Bhool Bhi Jao - Mukesh & Sudha Malhotra -Sudha Malhotra
9. Dilli Ka Thug-Yeh Raaten Yeh Mausam - Kishore & Asha - Ravi
10. Do Bhai-Mera Sundar Sapna - Geeta Dutt -S D Burman
11. Fareb-Aa mohabbat Ki Basti - Kishore & Lata -Anil Biswas
12. Golmal-Aane wala pal-Kishore Kumar- R D Burman
13. Gumrah-Chalo Ek Baar - Mahendra Kapoor - Ravi
14. Hasina Maan Jayegi-Bekhudi Mein Sanam - Rafi & Lata- Kalyanji Anandji
15. Hum Dono-Abhi Naa Jao Chhodkar - Rafi & Asha - Jaidev
16. Kala Bazaar -Apni To Har Aah - Rafi - S D Burman
17. Jailor - Hum Pyar Mein Jalne WalonKo- Lata - Madan Mohan
18. Kohraa-O Beqarar Dil - Lata - Hemant Kumar
19. Ladli-Tumhare Bhulane Ko Ji - Lata - Anil Biswas
20. Mahal-Yeh Duniyawale Poochhengay - Kishore & Asha - Kalyanji Anandji
21. Malhar-Kahan Ho Tum-Lata & Mukesh-Roshan
22. Mere Sanam-Jaiye Aap Kahan Jayenge - Asha - O P Nayyar
23. Mr & Mrs 55- Udhar Tum Haseen Ho- Rafi & Geeta Dutt -O P Nayyar
24. Nagin-Mera Dil Ye Pukare - Lata - Hemant Kumar
25. Nau Do Gyarah-Aankhon Mein Kya Ji - Kishore & Asha - S D Burman
26. Naujawan- Thandhi Hawayen Laherake - Lata -S D Burman
27. Naya Daur- Maang Ke Saath - Rafi & Asha - O P Nayyar
28. Parichay-Musafir Hoon Yaaron -Kishore - R D Burman
29. Paying Guest - Chaand Phir Nikla - Lata - S D Burman
30. Saranga-Piya Kaise Miloon - Rafi & Lata -Sardar Malik
31. Sharmilee- Khilte Hain Gul Yahan - Lata - S D Burman
32. Sone Ki Chidiya-Sach Bata Kyun - Talat & Asha - O P Nayyar
33. Taxi Driver -Jayen To Jayen- Talat/Lata - S D Burman
34. Uran Khatola-More Saiyyanji Utarenge - Lata- Naushad
35. Yasmin-Mujhpe Ilzaam Bewafaee - Lata - C Ramchandra
Satish Haldankar
Bombay, India
22/D-45
Jun 19, 2006
12:22 AM
Here are som e links to old hindi songs

http://ww.smashits.com/...cat35/oldies-songs.html

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/m/
http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movies.asp
http://www.dishant.com/jukebox/genre_albumlist.php3?genre=old
http://www.indianmelody.com/
Satish Haldankar
Bombay, India
23/D-50
Jun 20, 2006
12:23 AM
how come great hits like those of raaz and ddlj don figure in ure bollywood hits?? agreed that modrn hindi film music is not as good as it was in the past but hten times have changed and so has bollywood music in keeping with the times. devdas, raaz, k3g, parineeta all are examples of great music of our times. next time u list out the best of bolywood please remove the bias towards the old, old os gold true but at doesnt necessarily mean that the present is bad
ameetbhuvan
bhubaneswar, India
24/D-41
Jun 21, 2006
12:24 AM
Possibly the list reflects the age group etc of the selectors. Who cares? Hindi film songs, new and old, are now available in most cities in the world and one can get most of the songs that one wants from stores or websites.
Anandaswarup Gadde
Melbourne, Australia
25/D-42
Jun 21, 2006
12:25 AM
Outlook not being iconoclastic, by implicitly agreeing to the theory that old is gold, is a bit of a surprise. Regardless, its a good list with a lot of other great songs left out. However, inclusion of the song from Kal Ho Na Ho seems like a favour being returned to Karan (How can I be a true Indian without propounding at least one conspiracy theory).

Mr. Mehta

Have you emptied your cookie jar of top 10/20? I'd say save it for a rainy day.

regards
prakash
Sydney, Australia
26/D-43
Jun 21, 2006
12:26 AM
When your list is ignoring such great songs as ..Tum na jane kis jahan…Saza…Humdono…Allah tero nam ishwar tero nam, or Pakeeza and instead select Mediocre Mohammed Rafi voice for two top spots and beside in so many other positions while ignoring Lata’s far superior voice (save for two exception!),it only reflects on poor and male voice centric jury. Your list nowhere comes near its aim
samarth
mumbai, India
27/D-37
Jun 29, 2006
12:27 AM
I was quite stunned at the ranking of the songs. This seems to be a ranking of all songs in HFM minus Shankar Jaikishan !! Maybe you should bring out a separate issue for that. Is that because the songs were predecided (looks like that) and if so by who ??
GN
Singapore, Singapore
28/D-39
Jul 11, 2006
12:28 AM
Please publish all other choices below best 20 list. It will be interesting to know rest of the songs.
Parikh
St.Louis, United States
29/D-52
Jul 28, 2006
12:29 AM
i stunned by the remarks/feedback. to me this is the best possible list of all time greatest songs. and how great it is that the greatest singer of all time (rafi sahib) is leading the song list with most unforgetful song.
ammad aslam khan
Islamabad, Pakistan
30/D-38
Aug 11, 2006
12:30 AM
This is a very narrow and inconclusive sample of the jury. It is ridiculous to select 20 songs among an estimated 5000-7000 films alone.
Rajiv
Mumbai, India
31/D-71
Oct 01, 2009
04:28 PM
Here are my favorite songs
1. Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye - Jurm
2. Sawan Barse - Dahek
3. Chori Chori - Kareeb
4. Nahin Samne - Taal
5. Ishq Hua - Aaja Nachle
6. Dilko Tumse - RHTDM
7. Mann Tu Talbat - Superstar
8. Ae Kaash Hum Se - Kabhi Haa Kabhi Naa
mushrafeen
Hyderabad, India
32/D-45
Dec 24, 2009
11:50 PM
Though I do't agree with all the songs listed (especially that from 'Kal ho na ho'), but I agree with the broad selection - 18 of the 20 songs are from pre 1975 era !!!
Regards
Keshav Sharma
Nwtownabbey, United Kingdom
33/D-63
Jul 14, 2010
10:30 AM
A list of 20 is too less to list the best songs of Hindi movies. Still the people have put multiple songs on a rank so some songs have still got justice.

To be very true,the songs from 40s 50s and 60s are more than enough to complete the list. To my mind, such songs should be selected, that defines the period.

Like for starters, Hawa Mein Udta Jaaye was a defining song in that era.
Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya is an obvious choice here and its there.
One from Hum Dono, Abhi Na Jao Chhodkar/Allah Tero Naam
Both are rated very highly as a romantic song and a devotional one respectively.
Nagin snake charmer song Tan Dole Mera Man Dole set new trends for music.
Songs from Aradhana/Madhumati/ Patita/ Amar Prem/ Aandhi/ Awaara/Barsaat/ Gumraah (BR Films)/ Humraaz. Guide is already there.
Of the new songs, Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye is a sure must.
The Sholay song, Yeh Dosti, a DDLJ one, Tujhe Dekha to are some songs that could get in there. Songs from Umrao Jaan (old), Ijaazat, Aashiquee, Daddy.
Some of the great songs are already there but a whole lot cannot be accommodated in just 20 songs.
Vineesh Vedsen
London, United Kingdom
34/D-1
Aug 08, 2010
12:14 AM
Hello Everyone,
First of all this was a bad idea from the start. Secondly, the choice of jury is atrocious. Himesh Reshamaiyya judging Kishore Kumar & Mohammed Rafi? Well I am speechless. In any case like many others I would like to offer a small list with my favourite 10 songs.

1. Woh shaam kuch ajeeb thi- Kishore Kumar
2. Chingari Koi Bhadke- Kishore + Din Dhal Jaye - Rafi
3. Kuch To log Kahenge- Kishore + Tere Mere Sapne- Rafi
4. Abhi Na jao chod kar- Rafi, Lata
5. Mere Naina sawan Bhadon- Kishore
6. Tum Bin jeevan kaisa jeevan- Mannadey
7. Man Tarpat hari darshan ko aaj- Rafi
8. Is Mod se Jaate Hain- Kishore, Lata

Now, I already feel that I have left so many gems. Hence how can this be a good idea? The reality is that you CANNOT chose greatest songs like this and with THIS JURY specially! period.
prashant sharma
New Delhi, India
35/D-2
Aug 08, 2010
12:19 AM
>> Abhi Na jao chod kar- Rafi, Lata

Minor correction.

This song has been sung by Rafi and Asha. Lata sang some other songs in the same movie (Hum Dono). If I recall correctly, both "Allah Tero Naam" and "Prabhu Tero Naam" were sung by Lata for this movie.
Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
36/D-4
Aug 08, 2010
12:40 AM
@ Ammad Aslam Khan (Pak)
Sorry Mr Khan, Mohammed Rafi might be your favourite singer, but that doesn't make him the greatest by any stretch. For example my favourite is and shall remain the inimitable Kishore Kumar.
Hence, it is better to not give sweeping statements like 'greatest ever'. They are in bad taste.
prashant sharma
New Delhi, India
37/D-94
Jan 31, 2011
08:42 PM

@prashant sharma , so kishore kumar is your favourite singer. fine.... that means you have better knowledge(musical) than manna dey,sonu nigam, a.r rehman, udit narayan and kishore kumar himself  who regard mohd rafi is the BEST male singer (not one of the best) in bollywood. and even better than those jury....FINE...we should learn music from you..can you????

a. mukherjee
kolkata, India
38/D-160
Jun 12, 2011
09:39 PM

@ A Mukherjee

I was shocked at the hostility and arrogance in your comment. If Kishore praised Rafi, it was the largesse of a God gifted singer. All I was trying to say was that this debate cannot be settled by a pathetic jury which consists of the likes of anu malik and himesh reshamaiyya to name a few. Why to say Rafi is best or Kishore is best? Enjoy your favourite singer. But the viciousness of your reply has made me realise that some people cannot appreciate a different point of view. Last but not least, do enlighten about your music related credentials? I certainly dont have any and am nothing but a Kishore Kumar fan. By the way,Mannadey never said that Rafi was the best singer. He always maintained that Kishore Kumar was the most prolific singer he ever encountered. Just some facts.

prashant sharma
New Delhi, India
39/D-68
Jun 14, 2011
02:02 PM

@ Mr. Prashant ...read and find what Manna Dey said

"I sang classical songs better than others, but soon came a time when I was called for every kind of song along with Rafi. The rest were all great singers, but had their limitations."  http://www.santabanta.com/cinema.asp?pid=28039

or go through the page of Mohammad Rafi in wikipedia.

even nitin mukesh himself said that his father believes that the best singer is Mohammad Rafi...

Kishore himself failed to match the emotions needed for the song Nafrat ki duniya ko and then Rafi sang that song and rest is wow.. another song of the movie muqaddar ka sikandar was zindagi to bewafa hai was sung by Rafi because of the Kishore's failure to sung the song with the emotons needed.

arghwan
lucknow, India
40/D-70
Jun 14, 2011
02:04 PM

Morover , the jury also has Javed Akhtar, Kavita Krishnamurthy, Hariharan, Khayyam,Prasoon Joshi .....

arghwan
lucknow, India
41/D-20
Jun 26, 2011
01:52 AM

@ Mr Arghwan

Mr Arghwan, I will not put down Mohd Rafi to prove my point that Kishore was a more talented singer. In fact I am a huge Rafi fan. I just think that due to sheer God gifted talent Kishore was better! Kishore never learnt to sing from anyone. He was untrained, maverick and sheer genius. It is just amazing how a man who had no knowledge of even sa re ga ma could croon like Kishore did. Rafi, Mannadey etc were all classically trained. In fact there was a time when Rafi sahab was so demoralized because of Kishore's talent and success that he had almost stopped singing. Naushad then visited Rafi and told him that 'how can an untrained singer be your competion?' and motivated him again to start singing. At the end of the day Rafi has sung some gems in 60's. Kishore has sung some gems in 70's. Let everyone enjoy their favourite singer. Why to proclaim who is better? This what I was trying to tell Ammad Ali from Pakistan. It is not good to make sweeping statements like 'greatest ever'. They are not in good taste.

And have you heard the song 'Tum bin jaoon kahan'? It was sung by both Kishore and Rafi seperately for a film. When critics heard the version sung by Kishore, they acknowledged that 'no one can sing this song like that'. Please listen to both versions with an open mind. You will reach the same conclusion that Rafi did. This song clealry demonstrates the genius that was Kishore.

Anyway, this is too time consuming and futile. This discussion has no end. So I guess I will enjoy Kishore Kumar and you should enjoy Mohd Rafi. Both are fantastic singers. I am sure even vitriolic individuals like Mr Mukherjee would agree.

prashant sharma
New Delhi, India
42/D-14
Jul 20, 2011
04:03 AM

In my opinion Rafi as a singer was much much bigger than Kishore as a singer(not .Kishore as an artist  ) There must not be any comparison with Rafi to kishore as just on singing capabilities there is no match for rafi sahab.The versatality that rafi possesed is not compared to any singer in history of indian cinema.He ruled bollywood music from late 40s till 80s with only brief period of "take over" by kishore for few years (between late 60s and early 70s).I wll quote one recent TOI article about rafi sahab that has put it like this :"If there are 101 ways of saying "I love you" in a song, Mohammed Rafi knew them all. The awkwardness of puppy love, the friskiness of teen romance, the philosophy of unrequited love and the anguish of heartbreak - he could explore every crevice of ardour. It wasn't just love, his voice could capture the navras of life - a failed poet's melancholy, a fiery unionist's vim, a debt-ridden farmer's despair, really anybody at all. Rafi, whose career spanned nearly four decades, was a singer for every season and every reason."


The young generation who dont know much beyond RDB and laxmikant/pyarelal generally make a debate out of it(Rafi vs Kishore).But for all those who know really well about old hindi music will never discuss this "non issue".
Kishore,Mukesh,Manna dey,Talat etc were all great singers ,but please dont compare them with Rafi !!

 

ati ullah
allahabad, India
43/D-99
Aug 03, 2011
01:21 PM

They left out "Ajeeb Dastaan Hai yeh" from Dil Apna Aur Preet Parayi sung by Lataji.....HOW?!

:O

Shruti
Bhopal, India
44/D-100
Aug 03, 2011
01:37 PM

Also they left out "Aake Seedhi lagi dil pe" ; "Mere saamne waali khidki mein" from padosan; All sung by Kishore ji)

and "Chhod do Aanchal" from Paying Guest (duet by Kishoreji and Ashaji)!

:(

Shruti
Bhopal, India
45/D-92
Aug 13, 2011
01:29 PM

very beautiful line up

Sandip Kumar Sethia
Bangalore, India
46/D-148
Sep 27, 2011
11:40 PM

@Prashant - You are bang on! Kishoreda was a maverick. His voice had a eternal resonance and "Khanak" that was unique! Voice was uniquely deep and the throw, punch and power in his voice make him the most difficult singer to sing. Rafi was undoubtedly a fabulous singer but Kishore Kumar was pure genius. Here is an anecdote (story) I would love to share with you all.

I had always been a Mohd. Rafi fan, since I was a kid. Like my parents and friends, I, obediently followed the tradition to listen and admire Rafi and only Rafi. His “Makhmali awaaz” was always a treat to my ears. I would sing his songs at the school and with friends. People liked me because I was eventually, if not easily, able to sings those classical numbers. I was admired.
But, then I had a chance to listen to Kishore da`s songs. I was moved! His voice was uniquely LARGE. The base in his voice was incredibly deep, unlike any other singer. His voice was inimitable. Such strong voice, reflected pronounced masculinity. His songs like ‘Hal Kya Hai Dilon Ka’, ‘Phoolon ke rang se’, ‘Aapke Anurodh Pe’ ‘Kuch to log kaheinge’ and many others, are great examples of his talent. Kishoreda`s ability to sing such diverse moods and styles can clearly be witnessed in above songs!! Interestingly, just notice the change in timber and texture he brings singing these diverse songs- something which Rafi never did; he just sang with the same timber/texture. Kishore could sing all the way from his upper part of the chest like in "Aapke Anurodh Pe" (where his voice comes out with so much depth and yet, he doesnt run out of air!!), then his throat like in Hal Kya Hai Dilon (his vocal chord sounds like this huge rod with incredibly high radius!) and all the way up to his mouth in Pyaar Manga Hai Tumhi Se(where he just whispers and the romance spreads in the air!!). I challenge anyone to do justice to these songs! Kumar Sanu and Abhijeet just copy one little "pehlu" or "style" of Kishore`s versatilty (just make Kishoreda`s voice thinner by 50% and add some nasality in it and you get Kumar Sanu, Yodell-ish singing style that too with erratic consistency and you get Abhijeet). One little Rang of multi-coloured Kishoreda has made their lives!! Just think about it. You would see many singers singing Rafi`s songs, giving him a good enough tribute. There are Sonu Nigam, Shabbir, Mohammad Aziz and many others who are fairly good at it (who have even sung O duniya ke rakh wale, the hardest song Rafi ever recorded and infact, Sonu has done considerable justice) But Kishore Kumar was UNIQUE. No one ever had such a tremendous throw and solidarity. AND now we can just imagine what Kishoreda could have done if he was classically trained from his childhood. His voice would have broken the boundaries and CONQUERED the world!!
The khanak in kishoreda`s voice was a god-gift and the almighty has not given even one-tenth of that charismatic resonance that kishoreda was rewarded with, to anyone else.

Kishoreda, sadly, recoginzed his talent quite late, way after he was already dragged into acting by his elder brother, Ashok Kumar-- and surprisingly enough, his acting skills are still admired. What a multi-talented individual he was indeed. But its sad that we lost him early.


Conclusively, I hope and pray that the Rafi`s fans break their old bias for an hour and just listen to the songs I have recommended above!  And as for Rafi, he has been my guru and idol and I always will be his fan.

Thank you.
 

Fazal Ahmad
Islamabad, Pakistan
47/D-81
Oct 13, 2011
12:58 PM

Rafi gave playback to Kishore on Screen (Film Ragini). I think this is the proof of the pudding!

For my knowledge sake, I would like to know how many non-filmi albums were done by Kishore? I know Rafi & Talat did a lot of Ghazal Albums and so did Mukesh.

pankaj hedaoo
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
48/D-75
Oct 22, 2011
04:13 PM

@Mr.Pankaj- Sorry for a late response. But i would definitely let you know somethings for your knowledge`s sake.

 Firstly, when Rafi sang for Kishoreda, at that point Kishore was more of an actor. As I said before, Kishore was dragged into acting by this brother before way before he could explore his immense talent in singing. So, for the sake of success of the film, he thought of letting a established singer sing for him. But, soon the great S.D Burman spotted the 'khazana' of a singer in him. It was then that Aradhana came along and Kishoreda started scoring goals after goals.

I hope you have read my earilier comment with care and heed, if you want to realise what Im trying to convey. Im in Singapore now, wish I could come to malaysia to have a chat with you.

Anyways!!

Fazal Ahmad
Islamabad, Pakistan
49/D-34
Jan 11, 2012
11:30 AM

Sorry, Fazal. I don't buy your view on Kishore being better than Rafi Sa'ab. I certainly don't accept that Rafi Sa'ab had only one timber and style. He had a range as wide, if not wider than Kishore. The legions of fans of Rafi Sa'ab will never accept that he was 2nd to Kishore as won't Kishore's die-hard fans that Rafi Sa'ab was numero uno so let's just agree to disagree. Several people have tried to sing like Rafi Sa'ab but I have grudgingly accepted that only one person has come closest to him. Even Rafi Sa'ab's son concedes that Anil Bajpai is about the best Rafi clone. Check him out on YouTube esp "Govinda aala re..."! I've been to all his (Bajpai's) concerts in Chennai and you have to feel the hysteria when Bajpai sings. Whats more... Bajpai NEVER EVER sings ANY Rafi Sa'ab's song refering to a paper.... he has memorized all of them. Rafi Sa'ab is the God of music! 

sashi
chennai, India
50/D-83
Jan 15, 2012
10:26 PM
dharma
Toronto, Canada
51/D-49
Jan 21, 2012
10:46 AM

 Hahaha. The jury still lives in Radio Ceylon days. Welcome to 21st century. 

jackass
lol, india
52/D-76
Jan 22, 2012
03:39 PM

@Jackass- You know what Mr.Jackass. This name really suits you. Lol. These songs are old but they are definitely gold. These songs are from the time when the best music was being made. The time when gods of voice like Rafi, Kishore, Lata and Asha were in full flow. We dont need to live in "Radio Ceylon''s time to like these songs. Anyone, as young as me (18years old) or as old as 70s, who loves music and wants to listen to the purest and its best type would agree that those years, when the above magicians were in effect were clearly the best times for Indian music. You may be young and like many of youngsters today, prefer the new age stuff but that wont change the truth. Ask any of those new-age musicians and they would tell you the truth. If you love the soul in music or love music in general, then you would realize what I'm saying.

Jury isnt made of oldies. These are the musicians that work today and most of which you prefer listening to. They know what the real music and where the quality lies. And they also know that they can never achieve it. Its sad but its true. :)

Fazal Ahmad
Islamabad, Pakistan
53/D-53
Jan 26, 2012
09:10 AM

 @FAZAL AHMAD

Thanks Kido. You missed my age by just a decade. I am in my early 80s. 

Song is an art and all the art is a useless thing. 

Between us is an apparent difference of age but the not so subtle  difference of perspective. The olden golden songs that you listen today, I used to listen to them at your age just how you listen to the present day music. In those 50s, 60s ..., I used to like the songs of 30s, 40s. For us the real music was the classical music and not this cheap  filmi music.

It wasn't that I didn't like the Golden period songs of 50s, 60s then but there is a common sense that says old is gold.  The Indian government banned filmi songs and we would tune to radio ceylon at that time. We liked the filmi songs but still when you ask  someone  he would say classical songs are of better quality.

The same thing is happening today. 50 years down the line, people would say the 2000 was the best period of filmi music. We had a grammy and oscar winning A R Rehman who is missing in the list somehow. I don't fancy my chances to hear what people would say 50 years down the line but you have some good chances to see the common sense repeats it folly again. 

jackass
lol, india
54/D-185
Mar 26, 2012
10:12 PM

old is not gold, even oldies dancing for kolevory, age dosn't matter, brain .....I am not 80's .but I know 60-70 files song ..that was something different, rahman's  oscar award??was it a great song??to be honest I don't think so..whoever enjoying music, they know what t is kolevory , whoever cannot enjoy real music silky smooth music, koverlory guyes support classical??what a tragedy?who is thier idiol??which classical? hindustahni or karnatic??

kareem
banaglore, India
55/D-102
May 12, 2012
09:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCaPrzBYukk&feature=related please se this jack ass u still alive??please listen what SPB sayes..I know u never reach that level but try..

kareem
banaglore, India
56/D-121
Nov 12, 2012
08:01 PM

It`s just ridiculous and disgusting to see that jury could n`t notice any of the songs sung by legendary play back singer Mukesh . There are not less than 20 best songs sung by him in various movies and are on the top of  listener`s choice list. I wonder, how songs sung by Mukesh could have escaped the notice of Jury and why no mention has been made any where in the article/ above report as also from the readers forum.

Strange indeed.

P.Gautampurkar,Sawai Madhopur,Rajasthan

Parshuam Gautampurkar
Sawai Madhopur-Rajasthan, India
57/D-17
Feb 02, 2013
08:11 AM

  There are some memorable songs. Most of them sung by great persons. People don't mention, 'Tujhe Dekha...' from DDLJ. It just seems, we keep listening to great Hindi film music, but it appears the music changes a bit in appearance. It is pretty apparent, that Karan Johar really is inspired by Mr. Yash Chopra. But he makes really mushy movies, not to be associated with the name Musharraf. It seems, modernity can be sentimental, but people really want to hold on to sentiment, in modern times.

Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
58/D-161
Mar 15, 2013
08:56 PM

My all time great is Pankaj Mullik,as a singer and as a music director.He got just a Padmasri when cricketers who score just one century or take 10 wickets are also honoured at the same level.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
59/D-37
Apr 13, 2013
10:48 AM

No Baiju Bawra songs? And Yesudas'  'ka karoon sajni, aye na balama' ?

KSC Nair
Indianapolis, United States
60/D-14
May 25, 2013
04:37 AM

 For the wording and tune my choice goes to ...Tun Gagan Ke Chandrama Ho...and...Vo Jo Milte the Kabhi Ham Se Diwano Ki Tarah...

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
61/D-50
Aug 09, 2013
01:01 PM

Jury seems to have loved Guide, though songs are great, of course.

I expected to see Mohammed Rafi dominatiing the list and it has happened.

However, as pointed out, Mukesh has been given a raw deal, and Talat Mohammed too.

ramachandran
Chennai, India
62/D-62
Aug 30, 2013
10:18 AM

The juri selected three songs from Movie Guide rating  them to be the best of 20 Hindi Film Songs ever. It shocks me to see the hon`ble juri members simply forgot the songs sung by legendary play back singer Mukesh Chandra Mathur whose melodius voice not only made RK`s films so famous but he was the one who brought music directors Shankar Jai Kishan,Kalyan ji Anand ji, lyrisist- Shelendra ,Hasarat Jaipuri and several others to lime light  There are atleast 20 best songs sung by him on the list of Listners best Choice. It also astonishes- how the hon`ble members of Juri - Mahendra Kapoor,Manna Dey, the play back singers of his time  also forgot  Mukesh and the songs sung by him . Without the songs of Mukesh,the selectioin of 20 Best Hindi Film Songs Ever appears a miss  and incomplete .

Indeed very strange. Surprisignly also there is no - any say  - pointing out above from the readers.

P.Gautampurkar,Sawai Madhopur,Rajasthan

Parshuram Gautampurkar
Sawai Madhopur,Rajasthan, India
63/D-26
Sep 12, 2013
07:07 AM

It may not be relevant but the short list of greatest people after Gandhi did not have Abulkalam Azad's name.Similarly many great songs werent even mentioned.What about the immortal song of "Jugnu" by Noor Jahan;"Aaj ki raat saz-e-dil-e-purdard na ched".

abdur r.jalalzai
marlboro, United States
64/D-166
Mar 26, 2014
08:04 PM

kisi ne aapna bana ke mujhko mushkurana sikha dia, andhere ghar me kisi ne hanske chirag jaise jaala dia...is my favourite

george
london, United Kingdom
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