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May 12, 2014
A Maiden Over, Nothing More?

Apropos of The Pinch Hitter (Apr 28), I am still pulling for Rahul Gandhi, and it’s because Priyanka is an unknown quantity. The Congress will be routed this time and fingers will point at Rahul, but in the long run he’s still a better bet. The past few years he’s tried to build a better party organisa­tion, has fresh ideas which will take time to fructify but will make the party stronger grassroots-level up. As for Priyanka, she’s just crawled out of the woodwork during elections. What do we know about her views on anything of national importance? And let’s not forget that albatross around her neck, husband Robert Vadra. The only thing going for Priyanka are her mesmerising good looks, which remind everyone a little of her grandmother, Indira.

Kahlar, Lachung

Priyanka’s defence of her husband, and her asking the voters of Amethi to support the family, shows a curious understanding of politics as it is practised today. Her politics is entirely feudal and personal in nature. The Congress first family is showing signs of strain and is maybe starting to fall part. What were you guys thinking?

M.K. Saini, Delhi

She has the audacity to say that her family alone made sacri­fices for the country, considers any criticism as blasphemous, passes snide comments against her cousin, even asked people at a past election rally to beat up Arun Nehru, her own uncle, with chappals for being a politi­cal opponent. People are not going to fall for the family’s bluff anymore now.

M.A. Raipet, Secunderabad

This is partisan journalism of the worst kind. You seem to be desperate to fight the battle for Congress. What has Priyanka done to earn a cover story, other than being complicit in her husband’s dubious deals?

Pankaj Gupta, Allahabad

With mother and brother turning out to be ciphers, it’s not surprising that Priyanka’s been launched to stem this irrevocable image breakdown that the Congress is going through.

Pramod Srivastava, Delhi

After the elections, the Cong­ress will find itself in a position where it may have to review the fundamental tenets of its ideology, to resonate with a young India that has changed almost beyond recognition. A lot of creativity and imagination will be required. No reason why brother and sis­ter can’t both be part of the enterprise.

Ashok Lal, Mumbai

The BJP must go for the jugular, put Robert Vadra on trial and send him to jail after it comes to power. That will be the start of the cleansing of the system.

Harun, Chennai

Priyanka represents everything that is wrong about Indian politics. She uses her famous last name and demands “unflinching loyalty” from voters. She has no qualifications to be an MP or a leader, her husband has amassed wealth through fraud...and she’s the messiah the Congress is waiting for?

Ram, Halifax

Even after all the mega scams and misgovernance, the Congress never apologised, which shows their contempt for institutions. This is a ship holed out at the bottom by the very people who are steering it.

M.C. Joshi, Lucknow

Whether we like it or not, democratic India still has a soft corner for ruling dynasties. Over 15-odd royals are in the fray even this election. So another member from the best known ‘democratic political dynasty’ of India is no news.

G. Anuplal, Bangalore

The irony is that this time it’s the family’s actions that are pulling down the party. It must be a first for the Congress.

Rajiv Chopra, Jammu

Priyanka and Robber need to face a fast-track court, pronto.

Pradip Singh, Stafford, UK

This is the problem with us Indians, we just get carried away by that fair skin. Hema, Jayaprada, Priyanka....

S.S. Nagaraj, Bangalore

‘Model’ husband Robert can swing the females in the Congress’s favour. Just look at those pink pants. The last I saw them were on ’80s comedians Bhagyaraj & Co.

Akash Verma, Chennai

Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-71
Apr 19, 2014
02:10 PM

Has the author divorced  RSS?

dinesh chauksey
BHOPAL, India
2/D-78
Apr 19, 2014
02:17 PM

India loves three things:

1. The Rich

2. The feminine, and 

3. The Sooper natural

And they will definitely vote for a young, white, FEMALE - and the Congress dynasty knows that only too well from its own history.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
3/D-87
Apr 19, 2014
02:28 PM
"An emotional pitch touching on loyalty to the Gandhi family is evident yet again. ....." actually its disgustingly feudal but the author sugar coats it well. Do the voters of Amethi have such a limited worldview? Amethi is a dump and doesn't even get a few crumbs for all their feudal loyalty. Are they too scared to ask?
MK Saini
Delhi, India
4/D-89
Apr 19, 2014
02:32 PM

Oh, and the penchant for women for Priyanka to lead them, is gender politics at its lowest ( com on media - you know it ), and is disgusting.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
5/D-94
Apr 19, 2014
02:38 PM

The congress party is not a real party. In a real party, leaders rise through the ranks. But the congress party knows only to dance around the nehru family; this party is a disgrace to India. Unless the congress party and the nehru family is decimated in this election, India will not survive as a country.  

Ravi Jain
Hyderabad, India
6/D-115
Apr 19, 2014
03:41 PM

"Priyanka is like 'CORAMINE Injection', which may 'Revive' a 'DYING Soul' but cannot 'REJUVENATE' a 'DEAD Body'."

Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
7/D-117
Apr 19, 2014
03:48 PM

It is so easy to hoodwink the Hindus,they always get carried away by the fair skin of a person.They should know that Priyanka has never gone to school.That she is a fanatical catholic,main reason for her to marry a low class Robert Vadra.Nobody knows what she does between elections.She is a patrying person and reportedly gets drunk often.Priyanka is no match for true Indian beauties like Hema malini or Jayaprada.Hindus should not get carried away by Priyanka's skin colour.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
8/D-139
Apr 19, 2014
05:06 PM

Misogynist >> Oh, and the penchant for women for Priyanka to lead them, is gender politics at its lowest

Oh  dont pretend, you are the one who would for sure want Princess Drunkard to lead us over likes of males like Modi..

 
Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
9/D-140
Apr 19, 2014
05:07 PM

Priyanka is a BOTTLE OF HARD LIQUOR, can keep you inebriated for short while and make you forget your problems for a night but that is all , she is no real cure for your ills..

Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
10/D-141
Apr 19, 2014
05:10 PM

Alcohol Abuser Priyanka's only acheivement in her 40 years of existence is to make her humble farmer hubby (of minority community) into a billionaire using the powers of her family run government @ Dehi for last 10 years..

If this drunkard is given the reigns of power I would dare say that the British rule would have been a better option..

Despite my deep dislike for RaGa and CON party I dare say that I would any day prefer RaGa over this drunkard rony capitalist fraud called PRIYANKA VADRA..

Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
11/D-145
Apr 19, 2014
05:41 PM
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Misogynist
Chennai, India
12/D-151
Apr 19, 2014
05:50 PM

11 D should read:

10 D Ramki

" I would any day prefer RaGa over this drunkard rony capitalist fraud called PRIYANKA VADRA...."
 

If you just said honestly, that you would prefer RaGa over this FEMALE, BECAUSE of your FEAR of the power of the pus*y in India, we would have some respect for your ramblings.
 

Misogynist
Chennai, India
13/D-158
Apr 19, 2014
06:54 PM

Fashion Model Robert Vadra can swing all the female vote in Congress' favor. Just look at the pink pant!! After Bhagyaraj and Ramarajan, this is the first time I have seen anyone wearing a pink pant. 

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
14/D-175
Apr 19, 2014
09:27 PM

Akash verma >> Fashion Model Robert Vadra can swing all the female vote in Congress' favor.

If only India's general elections were decided by the residents of a DLF Gated Colony, Vadra would have won it hands down (by rigging the polls) but reality is different................

 
Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
15/D-13
Apr 20, 2014
12:26 AM

The title should be Pink Hitters instead of Pinch Hitter:

     Priyanka looks like some sort of gigantor and he is attired in this weird chemise-banian tie less-suit and pink pants.
 

Priya Madhavan
Rochester, United States
16/D-20
Apr 20, 2014
01:53 AM

Margaret Thatcher sent Labour into the wilderness for almost two decades, even as the Conservatives reshaped the economic and ideological landscape of Britain. It took a gifted young politician, Tony Blair, to reinvent New Labour, as a party more relevant to a globalised world and Britain's, especially London's, role in it. 

The Congress might find itself in a position where it needs to review the fundamental tenets of its ideology, to resonate with a young India that has changed almost beyond recognition, even as it remains rooted in the comfortable certainties of the past. A lot of creativity and imagination will be required in the years ahead. No reason why brother and sister cannot both be part of that enterprise.

ashok lal
mumbai, India
17/D-30
Apr 20, 2014
04:23 AM

Secularism comes to the UK: schools in Muslim-majority areas of Birmingham have been Islamized so completely that even the castratos of the UK government have been forced to act.

"..The report, disclosed in The Telegraph on Friday, accused Park View, Nansen and Golden Hillock of illegally segregating pupils, discriminating against non-Muslim students and “restricting” the GCSE syllabus to “comply with conservative Islamic teaching”.

The report said girls at Park View and Golden Hillock were made to sit at the back of the class; some Christian pupils at Golden Hillock were left to “teach themselves” and at Park View a supporter of al-Qaeda was invited to speak at assembly. Aspects of the GCSE curriculum were ignored as un-Islamic, even though needed by pupils for exams."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10776607/Islamist-plot-six-schools-face-Ofsted-special-measures.html

This is in the UK at a time when Muslims are still a minority! What these people will do if they become a majority can be seen in any Muslim country anywhere in the world - extermination of religious minorities.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
18/D-32
Apr 20, 2014
05:40 AM

Corruption is not the reason for the debacle but the insiders in the Congress who are from RSS and BJP have ensured Congress does everything wrong in the PR exercise.At the same time BJP was building its media clout and they are reaping the harvest.A number of state Govts  run by different parties are corrupt and nobody talks about it.Can anybody name one Congress central minister as corrupt with serious cases?Then why are these allegations?This is because of the media that has been sold to BJP.It has created an illusion.

When BJP decided to arrest Sonia  on Bofors she was forced to become the Congress party leader.If the BJP goes after Vadra then Priyanka will be forced to take the mantle of Congress.If BJP keeps quiet on this front and go after Muslims more they will win the next elections!Killing Muslims and destroying Mosques brings votes for Modi and BJP.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
19/D-39
Apr 20, 2014
08:48 AM

"Sonia Gandhi has evoked the same sentiment each time she seeks support from the public—for both the Congress party and the Gandhi parivar."

Looks like the emotional stuff is not working anymore. Sonia landed in her constituency with much fanfare and found less than 1000 people to receive her. Usually the number would be much larger.

This is not to say Sonia or Rahul is going to lose-old voting habits die very slowly and it may not happen in this election. But clearly, the hold the Nehru clan had in these two seats has gone for good. 

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
20/D-43
Apr 20, 2014
09:57 AM

@Ashok - " No reason why brother and sister cannot both be part of that enterprise."

While agreeing broadly with your post, i can give you at least 3 reasons why brother and sister cannot be a part of the reinvention

1. The very idea of a monarchy is incompatible with democratic ideals.

2. The bane of the Congress has been sycophancy. The presence of RSVP will act as a barrier to the eradication of this virus.

3. While all individuals cannot be discriminated against on account of their birth, it is essential that RSVP are not a part of the reinvention process. The removal of malignant cells is essential for treating cancer.

4. The track record of the duo is lacklustre. 

5. Suggesting that duo should play leadership roles implies that a nation of a billion people is unable to provide a handful of good men and women.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
21/D-53
Apr 20, 2014
12:03 PM

16 D Ashok

"No reason why brother and sister cannot both be part of that enterprise..."

The Nehru descendants have wasted the opportunity given to them, by focussing on populist issues that did NOT matter.

1. They were reluctant leaders. And to the disgust of the public, they publicised this fact.

2. For the sake of money and power, ( Robert has made hundreds of crores ), they accepted corruption everywhere as a norm 

3. The elimination of LTTE ( revenge ) was upper most in foreign policy - a silent agenda.

4. Misguided feminism ( another silent agenda ), lead to powerful laws against the males of the nation. Supported of course, by an unthinking media.

5. They wanted / want to install female leaders in a political system where 90% are male workers, doing the gruelling work - misandry at its worst.

6. They ignored critical areas such as education and health, given their focus on the above areas.

7. They neglected manufacturing, which is the best contributor to GDP, wasting the nation through crony capitalism instead, benefitting the Ambanis and Tatas.

8. They ignored raising the standards of critically sick areas like the judiciary, probably fearing a backlash.

9. They had no ideology of their own, except of coming to power and ruling, which, combined with crony capitalist corruption, only frustrates the people.

10. The best indicator of their apathy to the well being of the nation - they installed leaders like Maun Moan Singh

But of course, the duo WILL unfortunately make another comeback. Maybe in 10 years. Not only because the public forgets quickly. But because the BJP will be equally bad, and the people will then have no choice except the duo.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
22/D-75
Apr 20, 2014
04:49 PM

Ram Lala >> What these people will do if they become a majority can be seen in any Muslim country anywhere in the world - extermination of religious minorities.

Trust me there will come a time when a Non Muslim will be safer in Bangladesh rather than in Britain.. But this is not really something new.. Hindus are doing pretty fine in Bali which is part of world's biggest Muslim Nation (Indonesia) whereas native hindus of Kashmir valley in 80% Hindu, Secular India are still unable to get back and resettle in their homes. 

All this has nothing to with religion but more to do with the politics of Left Liberals(be it India or UK) which powers itself out of hypocrisy and destroys a silent minority within itself..

 
Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
23/D-105
Apr 20, 2014
08:54 PM

"All this has nothing to with religion but more to do with the politics of Left Liberals(be it India or UK) which powers itself out of hypocrisy and destroys a silent minority within itself.." Ramki

I agree with one part of your statement and disagree with the rest.

The intolerance that we see in every place where Muslims are present in large numbers originates from what they are taught in their religion. Just open the Koran or read the hadith.

The question is why there isn't more of a reaction to this horrific intolerance. That's where the left comes in -  they want to destroy democracy, capitalism and all other systems of governance, and replace them with their Marxist dystopia so they make common cause with Islamists, whom they regard are useful tools. The Islamists of course have their own sharia dystopia that they seek to impose on the world, so they are happy to use leftists in the same way.

If religion has nothing to do with the intolerance we see from Muslims even in the UK, why don't we see this intolerance from Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, and Chinese settled in the UK?

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
24/D-2
Apr 21, 2014
12:06 AM
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Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
25/D-13
Apr 21, 2014
01:03 AM

Arun Kumar,

>> Hindus respect and follow the law of the land, work hard, pay taxes, voluntarily contribute donations to local communities, bring cultural enrichment through cuisines, clothes and art and develop the local economy.

This also applies to a majority of Muslim settlers in Western Europe and North America, but it is the minority of Muslims who are backward that make the most noise, get press attention and are used by communalist hate pracharaks like Arun Kumar whose posts resemble more and more the anti-semitic writings of a young Hitler!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
26/D-22
Apr 21, 2014
01:49 AM

Ram Lala,

>> The intolerance that we see in every place where Muslims are present in large numbers ...

What about Turkey or Indonesia or Azerbaijan or Kazakistan? What about the fact, recognized by many Jewish writers, that Jews were treated a lot better in the Middle East than in Europe over the past 1000 years? What about Sikh and Muslim massacres in Delhi, Gujarat and Muzaffarnagar? It seems that the RSS gives you some hate prachar lines to remember and you keep regurgating them a thousand times without ever opening your eyes!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
27/D-35
Apr 21, 2014
04:16 AM

>> communalist hate pracharaks like Arun Kumar whose posts resemble more and more the anti-semitic writings of a young Hitler!

Congratulations Arun. You have now been elevated to Modi's company, albeit a younger version.

Maybe you too shall turn out to be a future PM of India.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
28/D-41
Apr 21, 2014
06:33 AM

Priyanka represents everything that is wrong about Indian politics. She uses her famous last name and demands "unflinching loyaty" from voters.  She has no qualifications to be an MP or a leader (of course, that is the case with most sitting MPs).  Her husband has amassed wealth through fraud.  She's the messiah the Congress party has been waiting for!

Ram
Halifax, Canada
29/D-48
Apr 21, 2014
08:00 AM

"What about Turkey or Indonesia or Azerbaijan or Kazakistan? " CAIR pracharak

Turkey?? Within living memory, they committed genocide of 2 million Armenian Christians and later, Greeks in Smyrna and other border regions. Turkey is now 99% Muslim. If Turkey is tolerant, it is the tolerance of the grave for minorities.

Indonesia:

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/calls-jihad-purges-emerge-hate-filled-anti-shiite-gathering/#.U1RhB4ZdgXA.twitter

"Bandung. A planned declaration in Bandung to denounce the Shiite community turned into a fiery call for jihad, or holy war, against the much-maligned minority group....

Ahmad bin Zein Al Kaff, the head of one of those organizations, the Anti-Heresy Front, said that Indonesia must be cleansed of Shiite teaching to prevent sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis — all the while inciting violence against Shiites.

“It’s time that we declared jihad against them,” he said in an impassioned speech to the crowd gathered at Bandung’s Al Fajar Mosque....

West Java Governor Ahmad Heryawan, who has made no secret of his distaste for minority religious groups, was expected to attend the declaration but stayed away at the last minute, instead sending his assistant for welfare, Ahmad Hadadi, who expressed support for the alliance’s cause.

Also in attendance was Ahmad Cholil Ridwan, a leader of the Indonesian Council of Ulema, or MUI, the highest Islamic authority in the country and ostensibly a moderate body. Cholil’s message on the day, however, was anything but moderate as he called for a “purge” of the Shiites."

Note to CAIR pracharak: the governor of the province and the chief of the ulema get together and call for the elimination of Shi'ites in Indonesia. Is there a single non-Muslim country in the world where this kind of animal behaviour is exhibited proudly by government officials and religious leaders?

Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan: these were cleansed of Islam by the Soviets. It remains to be seen whether Islam makes its way back into these countries.

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What about the fact, recognized by many Jewish writers, that Jews were treated a lot better in the Middle East than in Europe over the past 1000 years?

The fact that one set of Abrahamic thugs is worse than another set of Abrahamic thugs does not interest me. Your statement is like saying Genghis Khan was worse than Hitler - both are mass murderers, and it is not very interesting to me who murdered more people.

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What about Sikh and Muslim massacres in Delhi, Gujarat and Muzaffarnagar?

The 1984 pogrom against the Sikhs was carried out by your beloved Congress party. The RSS turned out to protect Sikhs, as Kushwant Singh acknowledged. Don't blame Hindus - it was a "secular" pogram.

Gujarat: the riots started when Muslims set fire to a train, burning alive 59 Hindu pilgrims. If you don't want reaction, don't start the action.

Muzaffarnagar: the first communal attacks were done by Muslims at the Jauli canal, killing tens of Jats. The Jats retaliated the next day. If you don't want reaction, don't start the action.

I suspect action-reaction will be a lesson that will be drilled into jihadis over the next 5-10 years.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
30/D-61
Apr 21, 2014
10:08 AM

With a "cahined" load ( Robert Vadra) on her legs., Priyanka will fin it very difficult in electionneering. After polls she will be pre-occupied wit litigations against her husband, and will have little time to party affairs.

N.Ramamurthy
Chennai, India
31/D-81
Apr 21, 2014
12:39 PM

The electoral setback in the recent assembly elections coupled with the ongoing hostile national trend towards the Congress party have convincingly proved that there no longer prevails the public's inclination & trust towards Sonia & Rahul Gandhi. The party desperately needs a fresh face to revive its fortune and thus only Priyanka seems to fit the canvas since Rahul has been repeatedly tried and tested yet failed. However, it would remain uncertain whether Priyanka 's active entry into the party would acutually witness its turnaround since the Gandhi family has already suffered an irrevocable image breakdown.  

Pramod Srivastava
New Delhi, India
32/D-84
Apr 21, 2014
12:56 PM

Ram Lala,

>> Turkey? Within living memory, they committed genocide of 2 million Armenian Christians.

Living memory? You are talking of 100 years ago. Today Turkey is secular, or at least as secular as India.

>> A planned declaration in Bandung to denounce the Shiite community.

There are many small scale extremist manifestations in Indonesia, as there are in India, but the mainstream of Indonesian populace is very similar to what we have in India.

>> Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan: these were cleansed of Islam by the Soviets.

Soviets were not able to clean either Christianity or Islam from any of the Soviet Republics.

>> The fact that one set of Abrahamic thugs is worse than another set of Abrahamic thugs does not interest me.

If your views are just pure unadulterated hatred, then your views do not interest me, except that I still have to call you an ill-bred moron.

>> The 1984 pogrom against the Sikhs was carried out by your beloved Congress party.

The vast majority of killers were Hindus.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
33/D-91
Apr 21, 2014
01:56 PM

>>>> The 1984 pogrom against the Sikhs was carried out by your beloved Congress party. - Ram Lala

>> The vast majority of killers were Hindus. - Anwaar

This is Jihadi logic and this point has been discussed in this forum before. As per Anwaar 1984 pogrom was Hindu against Sikh since "the killers did not drop their Hindu tag when they killed". Ram Lala, you need to get trained in Madrassa logic before you can debate with Anwaar.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
34/D-92
Apr 21, 2014
01:57 PM

The vast majority of killers were Hindus.
Anwaar

You were under the impression that all Hindus are BJPites .
That is why the culprits have not been punished .No Maya Kodani here .

Mr Faruki You are in habit of pouring Salt and Zhulkia on our JAHAKAMS !!!

Only a Cari Fiend like you can make mockery of we the Sikhs' humiliations .

Shame upon you .And you still call your self an Human Rightswala ?? 

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
35/D-129
Apr 21, 2014
06:27 PM

Once a freedom fighter kangres, does need a bar girl/ a drug addict (trafficker)/ a dunkard/ a land mafia as its head? There are still a few good leaders in the party to lead it.

dinesh chauksey
BHOPAL, India
36/D-130
Apr 21, 2014
06:36 PM
I am not in favor of Priyanka, I am for Rahul, because Priyanka is an unknown quantity. I admit that the Congress will be routed this time (maybe below 60), and some people will be pointing finger at Rahul. But we must understand that even massive losses are part of the political game.    Rahul has been trying extremely hard to build organizations in states (such as UP, Bihar etc) where the performances of the Congress have been pathetic. He has been travelling across the country, spending nights in villages, sharing meals with poor people, listening to their miseries and trying to solve them.     Honestly, I don't like some mediaeval ideas ,(such as NREGS), or some divisive ideas, (such as job reservation for minorities), of the Congress party. But, I like some of the ideas of RaGa, such as empowering people or encouraging youth leadership or bringing democracy to the grassroot level in the Congress organization, or training party workers etc. But what about Priyanka? She hasn't been in active politics so far. She crawls out of the woodwork during the election time, campaigning for her brother and mother. We don't know anything about her views on topics of national importance.   Besides that, she has to carry the political liability of Robert Vadra around her neck like a millstone. The only mesmerizing thing about her is  her good look, which resembles that of Indira. Tamrakshar Full version at tamrakshar.blogspot.in 
Kahlar
Lachung, India
37/D-140
Apr 21, 2014
07:46 PM

Today Sonia and Rahul have been under fire for Massive Loot of Indian State and doing nothing to rein it,this is no Leadership.

Rahul to me is no failure because he got a drubbing in every Election ,but his absolute failure in taking Public positions on Coal Gate,CWG and 2G.

Rahul should have come out and explained his position and acted on the Loot,which he did not.

Rahul is going about attacking Modi and his Model in Gujrat,what was he doing for 10 years,Nothing.

Adani and Ambani have been having there way since 2003,why did Congress do nothing.

Yes Priyanka will be no Show,Her husbands dubious deals will be one liablility she will have to come clean.

BJP must go for the Jugular and yes send Vadra to jail,that will stir the cleansing of system.

If Sahara can be jailed ,why not Dardas,Kalmadi,Sancheti ,BSY,Sheila and Chavan.

harun
chennai, India
38/D-149
Apr 21, 2014
10:40 PM

>>Gujarat: the riots started when Muslims set fire to a train, burning alive 59 Hindu pilgrims. If you don't want reaction, don't start the action.

Out of the 59 killed in Godhra, 7 are yet to be identified. Out of the 52 identified, more than half were non pilgrim passengers or their minor children with reseved tickets.

I do not claim to know how the fire started. But the fact of the matter is, both at the centre and state, it was BJP that was in power.

0. Most of the mob that attacked the train was women & children. How many women were arrested?
1. The police claimed to have arrested 28 from the mob of Godhra arson. 25 of them faced trial, as three died before the commencement of the trial. All the 25 were acquited as the defense was able to establish that they had been randomly picked up on the night of 27th Feb/ on 28th Feb in the combing operation in view of the bandh called for the next day and were not among the mob.
2. 9 VHP men implicated more as being in the mob. Their testimony was rejected by the court as none of the passengers/ karsevaks on the train /officials at the station saw any VHP person on the platform waiting to felicitate the karsevaks as they claimed
3. When SIT took over the investigation, it accepted in toto the Gujarat police version. They added one more to the list of accused, who was also acquitted.
4. The convicted were all those who were supposed to be part of a conspiracy but the alleged chief conspirator was acquited.
The judgement in the Godhra arson is in the public domain, but no analysis had appeared in print till Manoj Mitta’s book, "The Fiction of Fact Finding- Modi & Godhra"
Now Mitta also brings to notice how the central govt tried to downplay the Godhra incident initially as over the several days before 27th Feb 2002, the opposition had asked for action against the aggressive VHP mobilization [in Chapter 2 of the book].
There are reports that karsevaks ‘misbehaved’ and stabbed other passengers on the way to Ayodhya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96jIdg0Q1qw
We still do not know how the S-6 caught fire. The version accepted by the court of containers of petrol being brought & poured into the compartment is not corroborated by any passenger/karsevak in the train nor by any railway official present at the site. Forensic sample collected from the site more than a month after the incident was able to establish the presence of petrol. A further analysis of the tests proved that the petrol in the sample was “unburnt” pointing to tampering.
http://www.truthofgujarat.com/burning-s6-coach-godhra-using-petrol-fabricated-story/

nsm.org.in/2008/08/30/fabricating-systematic-lies-fsl-report/

No one would have protested if anyone from the mob was arrested/sentenced. Question is, why no one was held while police arrived within minutes? Both at centre and in Gujarat it was BJP that was in power.
Initially both Vajpayee and Advani downplayed the Godhra incident as the opposition was gunning for a discussion on the floor of the house . The then govt was accused of following the policy of running with the hares & hunting with the hounds with respect to VHP remeniscent of what happened in 1992 with respect to Babri.
Centre held a meeting with VHP in the evening of 27th Feb 2002 and thereafter the official line changed to one of terrorist attack. If you read the news reports of that day, you see VHP openly attacking the govts.
Then the VHP hijacked the bodies of passengers/karsevaks to Ahmedabad . Inadequate light has been shed on the fact that the reservation chart of S-6 was released only in July 2002 and the list of the dead was released only after one and a half year in reply to a question in Rajya Sabha. When atleast half of the victims were non karsevak passengers, what was the logic of handing the bodies to VHP who cremated them immediately without waiting for the relatives from outside Ahmedabad to arrive.
VHP aggressively mobilized the relatives of Godhra victims in the 2002 election campaign
http://www.tinyurl.com/oydnglq
Yet this is what the relatives of the Godhra victims had to say in the subsequent years

>>Bharat says the Godhra carnage was the work of the VHP and the BJP. “I was very happy when the court acquitted [63 persons] accused in the Godhra case,” he says. “The 11 people who have been given capital punishment should also be acquitted. They are innocent.”
Bharat remembers a local police inspector telling the rioters that they had two days to do whatever they wanted to. “The real picture will emerge the day Modi ceases to be the CM of Gujarat,” he says<< http://www.tinyurl.com/q62hl5f

A link to Godhra Train Burning Judgement http://www.scribd.com/doc/50129659/godhra-Train-burning-case-Judgement 

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Instead of answering the questions, dhimmi is bringing in "Action-Reaction" theory which popularly is understood as post-Godhra violence being a reaction to the original action of Godhra Train burning. 

Modi had used the term "Action-Reaction" to mean the reaction of mob in killing Ehsan Jafri to the action of Ehsan Jafri's allegedly firing at the mob that was setting fire to his house with people inside it.

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
39/D-158
Apr 21, 2014
11:52 PM

Priyanka and Robber treat this country as their personal property akin to a large night club where they can enjoy 'life'.

Pradip Singh
STAFFORD, United Kingdom
40/D-21
Apr 22, 2014
01:06 AM

Suresh and Ghai,

>>>>  The vast majority of killers (in the Sikh massacre) were Hindus.

>> This is Jihadi logic.
 

You mean a Congressman ceases to be a Hindu when he joins Congress? Is this your RSS shakha logic?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
41/D-25
Apr 22, 2014
01:23 AM

Priyanka and Robber need to face a fast track court.

Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
42/D-68
Apr 22, 2014
07:25 AM

Our next generation  of rulers: property dealers, their wives, children, hangers-on.

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
43/D-119
Apr 22, 2014
12:25 PM

@Anwaar - "You mean a Congressman ceases to be a Hindu when he joins Congress?"

The 1984 pogrom was perpetrated by Congress as a PARTY against Sikhs. So to bring in the 'Hindu' element is a dishonesty that you are an expert in. Using the same logic would you say the majority of killers were 'men' so it was a pogram by Males against Sikhs ? Afterall, the killers didn't cease to be 'males' when they killed.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
44/D-122
Apr 22, 2014
12:30 PM

Suresh,

>> The 1984 pogrom was perpetrated by Congress as a PARTY against Sikhs.

Yes, and the vast majority of people who carried it out were Hindus.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
45/D-136
Apr 22, 2014
01:33 PM

If Sahara can be jailed ,why not Dardas,Kalmadi,Sancheti ,BSY,Sheila and Chavan.'Harun

Darda has been given clean chit by CBI yesterday for two Mine sallocated to both brothers. per Indian Express .

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
46/D-175
Apr 22, 2014
04:23 PM

Yes, and the vast majority of people who carried it out were Hindus.

ANWAAR

Accepted then why cry if others say Jihadi criminals as Muslim killers ?

I always felt some problem in writing word Muslim Terrorists and used to qualify with Jihadi word.

Thanks for clearing away my hesitations in writing the word - the Muslim Terrorists .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
47/D-181
Apr 22, 2014
04:51 PM

>>The vast majority of killers were Hindus.

Jihadi logic will off course conclude that the vast majority of killers in Iraq and Afghanistan were Christians. Some imbeciles can never see beyond religion.

RSM
Delhi, India
48/D-223
Apr 22, 2014
07:55 PM

"Yes, and the vast majority of people who carried it [1984 Sikh pogrom] out were Hindus." CAIR pracharak

In a previous discussion, we were told by the same gentleman that Hafiz Saeed and the LeT are not Muslims.

No word yet on whether the RSS people who turned out in Delhi to protect SIkhs from Congressi thugs at risk to their own lives were Hindus.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
49/D-232
Apr 22, 2014
08:59 PM
Priyanka's defence of her husband, and her asking the voters of Amethi to support the family, shows a curious understanding of politics as it is practiced today. Her politics is entirely feudal and personal in nature. The Congress first family is showing signs of strain and maybe starting to fall apart. What were the editors of this esteemed magazine thinking?
MK Saini
Delhi, India
50/D-3
Apr 23, 2014
12:12 AM

Ghai,

>>>> the vast majority of people who carried it out were Hindus.

>> Accepted then why cry if others say Jihadi criminals as Muslim killers ?

I don't!  I object to blaming all Muslims or blaming Islam. I have never blamed either the whole Hindu community or Hinduism for what was done to Sikhs in Delhi or to Muslims in Gujarat.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
51/D-4
Apr 23, 2014
12:16 AM

RSM.

>>>> The vast majority of killers were Hindus.
>>  conclude that the vast majority of killers in Iraq and Afghanistan were Christians.

I did not say that, but if somebody said that it would be factually correct.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
52/D-6
Apr 23, 2014
12:22 AM

Ram Lalla,

>>>> "Yes, and the vast majority of people who carried it [1984 Sikh pogrom] out were Hindus."
In a previous discussion, we were told by the same gentleman that Hafiz Saeed and the LeT are not Muslims.
 
I do not consider them to be real Muslims. If you claim that the Hindu killers of Sikhs were not real Hindus, I would not demur.

 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
53/D-10
Apr 23, 2014
01:25 AM

>> If you claim that the Hindu killers of Sikhs were not real Hindus

That's exactly what people are saying. That they were Congresis.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
54/D-82
Apr 23, 2014
12:34 PM

Misandry is default everywhere - if one only looks for it.

Take this media article as one such example:

A feminist, Priyanka, being actively promoted over a hated middle-aged-male, only because the advantages of utilising misandry are all 'too obvious' to the promoters ( the authoress and the antimale media ).

Misogynist
Chennai, India
55/D-68
Apr 24, 2014
11:37 AM

1.Success of this election is, people get to know X missinary bigots in constitutinal institutions, PSUs, MSM,  edu. institutions, terror orgs, religious forums, NGO's, comment boards. Simply they call themselves 'SECULAR'

2. Who get (barring few) Noble,and other FFand sister orgs awards are CIA (Rome) agents in various countries.

dinesh chauksey
BHOPAL, India
56/D-33
Apr 30, 2014
05:39 AM

Prarthna Gahilote is doing prarthana (prayer for RSVP)

Pramod
Tucson, United States
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