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May 05, 2014
The Sceptre, the Isle and the Man

Apropos your cover story Modi Metrics (Apr 21), is Outlook along with its ‘liberated’ readers missing the woods for the trees? The key issue facing the electorate is how to vote in a government which has sufficient majority to rise above the need to appease the limited agendas of coalition partners and set the country on a clear path of growth for the next five years with a focus on job creation. Having adequate laws and checks and balances on paper is not our problem. The problem is the ease with which politicians have hijacked the growth agenda for personal wealth creation. Now that we have a PM candidate with the guts to put development as the primary agenda of the nation, Outlook is as paranoid as the rest of the establishment. What do we have against Modi? One has to be extremely naive not to acknowledge that a man coming from less than the humble background he comes from must have the ambition, commitment, passion and the will to succeed in spades.

Pradip Chanda, Gurgaon

All of you who are so wise, so intelligent and so prescient can surely divine that if a megalomaniac figure such as Modi does succeed in seizing power at the Centre, there will be no free elections, ever.

Uncle K., Pune

Modi is a bold and upright leader. Sadly, the prejudiced journalists, particularly in India, can’t digest a saffron patriot ruling the nation of diversity. We have had enough of a pseudo-secular alliance with false agendas. Modi, with his fierce and patriotic fire, will surely burn down India’s rampant corruption.

Salil Gewali, Shillong

Modi’s gimmicks have paid off? Don’t joke. Every Indian will be ashamed to have a goon like him occupy that chair on which once sat honourable men like Pt Jawaharlal Nehru and Lal Bahadur Shastri.

George Jacob, Kochi

Right now, there is hype surrounding Modi as he seems to march ahead, unstoppable, to Delhi. However, his strong leadership is also proving to be a double-edged sword for him. Besides his Hindutva leanings making the Muslims wary of him, his image of a no-nonsense, decisive leader is also giving a scare to other institutions and organisations functioning in democratic India. Modi appears dictatorial and unaccommodating. If the BJP wins a comfortable majority without depending on too many political parties for support, there are chances that Modi will rule with an iron hand, brooking no criticism from any quarter. Will this be the price countrymen have to pay for a strong, stable government at the Centre?

Vijai Pant, Hempur

Even the known Modi-baiters like N. Ram and Saba Naqvi have resigned to the fact that Modi is coming as the next prime minister of the country. It is ironical that they are not happy that Modi’s campaign is not about caste and identity but governance, development and growth. It is pathetic that you have The Economist endorsing Rahul Gandhi over Modi. It is the same publication that had the infamous cover of Ind­ira Gandhi during the Emergency calling her the “Empress”.

Rajiv Chopra, Jammu

The Nehru family has been in power for most of the time since Independence and mos­tly owing to the carefully built cult around the clan. This can be countered only by another cult and hence the necessity of a presidential-style campaign built around Modi. Also, being a democratic party, pulling together everyone in the BJP is possible only through a top-down approach. The 2004 and 2009 campaigns failed because of the bottoms-up approach with laissez faire leadership.

Arun Kumar, Hyderabad

Modi’s self-promotion is not just presidential-style politics. It is the deliberately cultivation of a personality cult in the style of the late president Hugo Chavez or the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, using all the props of Madison Avenue’s advertising industry. But in fact, unprincipled exploitation of covert prejudices and overt disgruntlement is the main driving force of the Modi machine.

Anwaar, Dallas

Notice how Swapan Dasgupta, who supports Modi, is dismissed as a right-wing journalist, while all those who rant against him are either “intellectuals” or “eminent people”.

Cdr Arun Visvanathan, Chennai

Saba, your article is biased. Many of your previous articles have been so too. I like the way you write, but as a journalist you must keep bias (and taunts) out of your articles.

Navdeep Singh Gill, Noida

Modi hasn’t made the party and parivar instruments of his will; it’s the other way round. When we talk of the presidential system, the context is the American system of governance, which is not possible in the model of parliamentary democracy we have adopted. There, the president is elected directly by the people, and the executive authority rests with him. The elected House has nothing to do in the selection of the pre­sident’s team and the survival of his government. Here, the executive authority rests with the prime minister who is elected by the members of the House and in turn has to choose his team out of its elected members. And the survival of such a government depends on its majority in the elected House.

M.C. Joshi, Lucknow

The rise of Modi is due to the inept leadership of the Congress, which had been basking in its victory in the last two elections. Sonia and family need to step down and allow the Congress to be led by an able and intelligent leader. Their job is at best to save Congress, but not lead. Once Modi is in power, he will harass Sonia and her family and finish off the Congress. The rise of the Aam Aadmi Party is the only silver lining in this overall gloomy picture.

Nasar Ahmed, Karikkudi

Narendra Modi is set to become PM either by absolute majority or with the inside and outside support of regional parties, which will make a beeline to join and jump onto the BJP bandwagon, as none of them will risk another election in a few months. But India is not Gujarat and Modi will have to bear that in mind.

M.Y. Shariff, Chennai

“Modi is ambitious and skilled enough to both fly high and strike low,” you say. Shouldn’t it be “stoop low”?

V.N.K. Murti Pattambi, Naduvattam

This cover story amounts to “normalising the evil”. It’s stunning the way it assumes Modi is the prime minister.

Ajit Hegde, Bangalore

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1/D-127
Apr 12, 2014
01:25 PM

This has been, according to one of the Election Commissioners, the ugliest campaign he has seen in thirty years as a mandarin. Once the Indian people's choice is known, the new government should address itself to its daunting tasks, starting with reconstruction of the economy. Energy should not be expended on rancour and the bitterness of the past.

ashok lal
mumbai, India
2/D-142
Apr 12, 2014
01:45 PM

The family should return home to Italy.

Pradip Singh
STAFFORD, United Kingdom
3/D-159
Apr 12, 2014
02:10 PM
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Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
4/D-178
Apr 12, 2014
02:51 PM

"The difference between CAMPAIGNING and GOVERNING is like that between Hitting SIXES at Nets and at PITCH, which although may or may not get REPLICATED, yet is ESSENTIAL." 

Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
5/D-184
Apr 12, 2014
03:14 PM

" ...Modi is ambitious and skilled enough to both fly high and strike low"


Saba, the last words should be 'Stoop low'. 
 

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi
PATTAMBI, India
6/D-185
Apr 12, 2014
03:16 PM

"Will he run the country like he’s run his campaign"

Is the rout of the UPA fait accompli already even though May 16 is over a month away? Looks like Saba Naqvi has already 'anointed' him as the India's next prime minister.

"The seeming hunger for Narendra Modi’s leadership style mirrors the rise of similar top-down, authoritarian figures in Asia and Europe"

The "seeming hunger" for strong leadership is due to the spineless inefficiency of a puppet prime minister over the past decade. The eminence grise wielded immense power with practically no responsibility and the de jure Head of Government was saddled with the responsibility without having any power. 

It should also be noted that it needed an enlightened dictator with vision like Lee Kuan Yew to transform Singapore into a first world country. In the uncertain times ahead, we need a strong helmsman to steer us through the uncharted waters that lie ahead.

Only time will tell whether Modi will be able to achieve over the next 60 months what others could not over the past six decades. The hopes of nearly a fifth of humanity depends on his success.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
7/D-226
Apr 12, 2014
06:09 PM

Notice how Swapan Dasgupta who supports Modi is dismissed a right-wing journalist, while all those who rant aginst him are either "intellectuals" or "eminent persons".

Bonita
Chennai, India
8/D-256
Apr 12, 2014
09:21 PM

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Sankaboy
NY, Bahamas
9/D-264
Apr 12, 2014
10:05 PM

In the TOTAL CONTROL list you left out:

         India's infamous Indira Gandhi. She and Sanjay Gandhi together abrogated the constitution.

Priya Madhavan
Rochester, United States
10/D-265
Apr 12, 2014
10:07 PM

Saba, your article is biased. Many of your previous articles have been so too. I like the way you write, but as a journalist you must keep bias (and taunts) out of your articles.

Navdeep Singh Gill
Noida, India
11/D-275
Apr 12, 2014
11:13 PM

Instead of such a big article, Saba could've written "We sickulars tried everything, now we give up".

KSJ
Bengaluru, India
12/D-276
Apr 12, 2014
11:21 PM

This must be the 99990th article in Outlook essentially saying the same thing. 10 more to go and the place in Guiness is assured-for writing the same stuff in 100000 different ways.

BTW, the grudging admission in the article about Modi'c chances to become PM says one thing-MODI'S POLITICAL ACUMEN AND INSTINCTS ARE WAY ABOVE THE COMBINED POLITICAL ACUMEN AND INSTINCTS OF THE SUCCUS. 

Till jan of this year, the succus were telling us how Modi has no chance.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
13/D-292
Apr 12, 2014
11:48 PM

"That is why it is no secret that the RSS and many BJP leaders are hoping for a modest win, just upwards of the BJP’s 1999 record of 182 seats that would leave Modi dependent on allies and his own ideological parivar and party colleagues. "

This is one of the pet theories of succus-that a less than 200 seat Modi would be in control of his allies and would be more pliable.

Even after 12 years, these guys dont have the slightest clue about the character of Modi. He is no Vajpayee-who was begging Jayalalittha every day between 1998-1999. Modi is no Manmohan Singh-who will sell everything he has to continue in PM seat.

Modi will exercise his authority regardless of how many seats BJP wins(assuming he becomes PM) and if the going gets tough, he will call for fresh elections. He is not the one to become pliable.

So far all succular theories about Modi has been proven wrong and this theory about a pliable Modi will be proven wrong as well-assuming of course BJP wins around 180 seats.

But based on polling so far, I am fairly confidient that BJP on its own will cross 250.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
14/D-2
Apr 13, 2014
12:04 AM

Modi's self-promotion is not just Presidential style of politics. It is the deliberate  cultivation of a personality cult in the style of the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez or the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, using all the props of Madison Avenue's advertising industry. But the unprincipled exploitation of covert prejudices and overt disgruntlement is the main driving force of the Modi machine. 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
15/D-7
Apr 13, 2014
12:23 AM
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vaibhav
kolkata, India
16/D-29
Apr 13, 2014
02:38 AM
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AS
Mumbai, India
17/D-41
Apr 13, 2014
03:33 AM

Anwaar:
              So what's is your opinion about the Gandhi family who has done nothing after Vadhra's corruption was exposed in public domain by AK with documents submitted by US based foreign companies?


 

Smartopinion
Pune, India
18/D-57
Apr 13, 2014
05:59 AM

"Atal Behari Vajpayee too was a leader around whom a personality-based campaign had been built. But he never canvassed personally to the extent that Modi is doing"

That might explain why BJP never grew from 1998 when they should have used the opportunity to expand to areas where they were weak. They took everything for granted.

One thing about Modi is there is no half hearted attempts. He puts in totally himself into anything and it shows.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
19/D-88
Apr 13, 2014
11:39 AM

The Nehru family has been in power for most of the time since independence has been due to the carefully built cult around the Nehru clan (even today 80% of all govt institutions are named after this clan). This can only be defeated by another cult and hence the necessity of a presidential style campaign built around Modi.

The second thing is that being a democratic party (unlike the dynasty), pulling together everyone in BJP is only possible through a top-down approach. We have seen the failure of the campaigns in 2004 and 2009 through a bottom-ups approach with a laissez-faire leadership

The indian democracy is yet to achieve the maturity of a personality-less governance. Till then, a more assertive style top-down approach from a capable, selected-on-merit-by-the- people, uncorrupted and uncorruptable personality is required (like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore) to steer policies, programs to strict deadlines for growth, law and order and eliminate corruption.

Hence the Modi style of leadership is the need of the hour for India.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
20/D-95
Apr 13, 2014
12:13 PM

ASS,

>>  it aint 'prejudice'

In your case it is not prejudice. It is just blind hatefulness.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
21/D-104
Apr 13, 2014
01:31 PM

"when a premise is born out of facts manifesting repeatedly throughout history and across geographies, it ain't prejudice".

very beautifully put and logically put.

for some people, One odd riot in 2002 becomes a statistical average, but countless genocides throughout history of 1000 years and across geographies, relentless display of intolerance against all faiths, reason and logic, deeply rooted coercive and compulsive violent behaviour does not qualify for a statistical average.

and these people think that everyone in this world are fools to believe this.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
22/D-105
Apr 13, 2014
01:40 PM

Arun Kumar,

>> One odd riot in 2002 becomes a statistical average, but countless genocides throughout history of 1000 years

This rubbish is spread by Western historians who want to divert attention from their own genocides. Please read this paper:

kafila.org/2014/04/12/some-myths-about-muslims/

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
23/D-111
Apr 13, 2014
02:01 PM

@ Anwaar - "This rubbish is spread by Western historians who want to divert attention from their own genocides. Please read this paper"

Websites like Kafila, Sabrang and CJP are equally biased. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
24/D-112
Apr 13, 2014
02:03 PM

Habitually violent Islam's contributions to mankind over the last few days, according to one source - even if this data is somewhat accurate, and gets repeated every few days...


2014.04.11 (Baqubah, Iraq) - Roadside bombers successfully disassemble a young man and child.

2014.04.11 (Sambisa, Nigeria) - Eight highway travelers are 'butchered like animals' by pro-Sharia militants.

2014.04.11 (Nechayevka, Dagestan) - A rival religious teacher is murdered in his home by extremist gunmen.

2014.04.10 (Kala-Balge, Nigeria) - Three villagers are shot to death by Boko Haram.

2014.04.09 (Banghazi, Libya) - Jihadists blow up a family vehicle, killing one and seriously injuring two others.

2014.04.09 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A second physician in as many days is assassinated because of his Shia faith.

lbmn
bangalore, India
25/D-114
Apr 13, 2014
02:37 PM

1. Any belief system that is based on only one book, one messenger and only one path to the ultimate goal will be inherently be based on coercive, intolerant and compulsively violent behaviour. This is nature's law. These belief systems perpetuate illogic and unreason through violently enforced blasphemy laws.

Example: Marxism. The only mistake that Karl Marx did was not to claim divine revelation, else Marxism could have survived a little longer.

2. One that are based on multiple paths to the ultimate goal, many books and many messengers will be inherently be tolerant, liberal, peaceful, accomodative and encourage seeking through self-exploration. They will have no blasphemy laws and people are free to follow or to leave. Logic and reason exists through openly critical discussions that are actively encouraged.

Example: Physics, Hinduism. Nobody in this world ever got punished by criticising Newton's third law or the Bhagavadgita.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
26/D-171
Apr 13, 2014
06:59 PM

The rise of Modi is due to the inept leadership of Congress who were basking in tow consecutive elections expecting people to vote Congress for the good economic development.What can a leder like Manmohan can deliver except being honest and be a rubber stamp.RSS and BJP have been working with media for the past few years using their RSS connections within the organizations and outside.Those who were using the social media were called cyber Hindus!But what prevented the Congress from doing the same.Sonia Gandhi and family need to step down and allow Congress to be led by a able and intelligent leader.Their job at best is to save Congress but not to lead.

Modi is thriving because of the foolishness of Congress who were sleeping and were living in a world of their own.For example it is well known fact that RSS is involved in the Godhara train carnage.If this fact had been proven then the justification to kill Muslims would have been negated and Modi would have lost his lustre long time back.Today he would not be threatening Congress.The age old trick of cornering Muslims has been put in this mind and would not do anything .The RSS people within Congress are misleading Sonia family from taking honest and just decisions in riots.RSS has such control over India a person like the former RAW cheif joins BJP.

Congress is following the same path of their predecessors while BJP have changed their tactics with the same agenda and it is working.Rahul is so dumb he could not even use the social media for his popularity with careful planning.Modi tells lies after lies and it sticks because the media has been largely bought and Congress has no voice now.Modi is sharp and has a good team as he has limited knowledge of history and politics as a tea boy while Rahul despite his better education is neither sharp nor has a good team to back him except the sychophants.

Congress has dug its grave and will face the consequences.Once Modi is in power he will harass Sonia and family and finish off Congress.The rise of AAP party is the only silver line in this fiasco and may fill the vacuum.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
27/D-174
Apr 13, 2014
07:15 PM

@ Nasar Ahmed - "Modi is sharp and has a good team as he has limited knowledge of history and politics as a tea boy"

What about Mrs. Sonia Gandhi? What are her credentials? 

Leader need not be polymaths; they need to be intelligent enough to understand the issues. They have the services of experts to give them advice. The leader however has to take a decision after weighing the pros and cons. Which is why th leaders get all the credit or abuse.

Don't blame the RSS for everything that happens in the country. Do some introspection. If an A P J Abdul Kalam could rise from poverty to becoming the president of India, that too when the BJP (NDA) was in power, there is no reason why other Muslims cannot emulate him. Dr Kalam is oe of India's most respeced and loved presidents and it was none other than Mrs Sonia Gandhi who denied him a much deserved second term.

I would request you to shed all your negativity and misconceptions. As Modi exhorted, join your hands with Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists and others to fight poverty. Wallowing in negativity and victimhood will take you nowhere,

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
27/D-175
Apr 13, 2014
07:15 PM

@ Nasar Ahmed - "Modi is sharp and has a good team as he has limited knowledge of history and politics as a tea boy"

What about Mrs. Sonia Gandhi? What are her credentials? 

Leader need not be polymaths; they need to be intelligent enough to understand the issues. They have the services of experts to give them advice. The leader however has to take a decision after weighing the pros and cons. Which is why th leaders get all the credit or abuse.

Don't blame the RSS for everything that happens in the country. Do some introspection. If an A P J Abdul Kalam could rise from poverty to becoming the president of India, that too when the BJP (NDA) was in power, there is no reason why other Muslims cannot emulate him. Dr Kalam is oe of India's most respeced and loved presidents and it was none other than Mrs Sonia Gandhi who denied him a much deserved second term.

I would request you to shed all your negativity and misconceptions. As Modi exhorted, join your hands with Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists and others to fight poverty. Wallowing in negativity and victimhood will take you nowhere,

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
28/D-182
Apr 13, 2014
07:40 PM

TOMORROW Fromer Coal Secretary Mr Parikh's Book on Coal Mine allocations,working of Coal Ministry will be released  .

Let us see what this Book brings out.

Two Books within a span of seven days revealing dirty secrets of the Govts can't be handled by any Govt.

Seems more Books will hit the Stands.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
29/D-194
Apr 13, 2014
09:12 PM

''As usual, the very illiberal liberals who lead the attack against Modi have misunderstood the problem. They demand an apology for the riots in 2002 without realising that what victims of violence need are not apologies, but justice.

Is this because they have noticed that the only communal riots after which a modicum of justice has been done are those that happened on Modi’s watch in 2002? Senior police officers and high officials are serving life sentences in Gujarat’s jails while in Delhi, thousands of Sikh widows still wait for justice 30 years on. And there are other widows and orphans who wait for justice in Bhagalpur, Meerut, Moradabad, Nelli and Muzaffarnagar.

Why has Modi never tried to explain his failure to control the violence in 2002? Why has he never drawn attention to there not having been a single riot or a single day of curfew in Gujarat after 2002? There have been serious triggers. The attack on the Akshardham temple could have caused a new explosion of horrible violence as could the bombs that went off in Ahmedabad.''

indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-ram-and-raavan/99/

''Modi’s failure to reach out to Muslims could lose him the majority he so badly wants.''

The present generation of Muslims will not be convinced whatever Modi does when Muslims are even not ready to speak the about Other Riots where many many thousands Muslims were killed but twill talk of only 2002 .

Educated Muslims like Faruki ,Nassar etc are even ready to acknowledge that those killings happened .

But let us agree that the young generation of Muslims in Colleges look for careers and growth .We may look to them for future of the Muslims .The present older dudies are Mummy-fied in 2002 .

Let dudies  rest in their self dug graves in 2002  and remain be calcified .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
30/D-203
Apr 13, 2014
10:10 PM

Modi ascent to power, is a reflection of the sheer HATE that people have for the alternative, the Congress.

The Indian people, are intelligent, and have no real love for Modi. The authoress has ignored the lack of alternative that the Indian people have.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
31/D-212
Apr 13, 2014
10:58 PM

Ghai,

Relax,NDA will get Max 242 seats.Blaming the Muslims for not supporting Modi is unfair.

Modi and his influence is limited to North

 

harun
chennai, India
32/D-2
Apr 14, 2014
12:01 AM

>> Blaming the Muslims for not supporting Modi is unfair.

True.

By the same token, blaming the BJP for not giving tickets to Muslims is also unfair.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
33/D-14
Apr 14, 2014
12:39 AM

>> Relax,NDA will get Max 242 seats

We'll see. I hope they get at least this much (and hopefully lot more), and forms a govt.

Personally, I would want NDA to get around 300 seats. No idea if it's even remotely feasible, but would like to see that. And the reason is not of governance. While it shall help, and help a lot, the main reason I want NDA to get high number of seats is that it shall allow BJP to focus on states where it is currently weak, without upsetting allies.

In the long term, having two strong national parties (yes, including Congress) with spread across the region, shall be good for the country.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
34/D-23
Apr 14, 2014
01:25 AM

LBMN,

>> Habitually violent Islam's contributions...

When the populations are pro-rated, the Tamil-Sinhalese violence was much more brutal. Much of what passes as Islamic violence in Africa and Afghanistan is actually tribal violence. And let us not forget the Sikh massacre in Delhi, and the Muslim massacres in Gujarat and Muzaffarnagar.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
35/D-26
Apr 14, 2014
01:38 AM

Arun Kumar,

>> Any belief system that is based on only one book, one messenger and only one path blah blah blah.

Such self-righteously made rules have no validity. Even though most of Hindu history has been erased, we know of over a lakh casualties at Kalinga and untold murders of and atrocities against Dalits for over 2000 years, besides all the satis and human sacrifices. Man is cruel but Hindus have suddenly decided that they are devas!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
36/D-33
Apr 14, 2014
03:03 AM

Casualities in war between combatants obviously is different from violence against innocent non-combatants in the name of enforcing belief systems. Such tactics of deflecting reasoned logic through tangential irrelevant illogical arguments are the mainstay of such belief systems.

Hindus fought wars using rules such as not harming the enemy running away from the battle, never striking an enemy from behind etc. But the barbarians never had such rules and this was the principle reason why India was invaded by them.

No social evils are sanctioned in Hinduism in any scriptures. These social evils came crept in part because of the barbarians. Hindu women to protect themselves from the barbarians used to commit Sati. Whenever social evils have crept, Hindus themselves have together come forward to eradicate them through proper constitutional laws and no Hindu ever opposed these laws since they had no scriptural sanction.

Principles of Mathematics and Physics do not need blasphemy laws and foot soldiers to protect them. Similarly Hinduism does not need the crutches of violent blasphemy laws and does not need armies of brainwashed violent foot soldiers to protect it. Hinduism always stood by itself, tall and regal, in majestic splendour through millions of years. In Hinduism, God protects man and not the other way.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
37/D-50
Apr 14, 2014
07:26 AM

"Much of what passes as Islamic violence in Africa and Afghanistan is actually tribal violence." CAIR pracharak

If it quacks like an Islamist, kills like an Islamist and squeals like an Islamist, it is an Islamist.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
38/D-86
Apr 14, 2014
11:30 AM

Arun Kumar,

>>  violence against innocent non-combatants in the name of enforcing belief systems.....

This is a figment of your imagination.

>> Hindus fought wars using rules.

Everyone makes such claims!

>> Hindu women to protect themselves from the barbarians used to commit Sati.

This is false.

>> Hinduism does not need the crutches of violent blasphemy laws.

Manusmriti says, "If a man born of a lower class intentionally bothers a priest, the king should punish him physically with various forms of corporal and capital punishment that make men shudder, " and, " If a Sudra mentions the names and castes (varna) of the (twice-born), an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red-hot into his mouth. If a Sudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins their duty, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and into his ears."

I like many things about Hinduism, but I do not respect those who boast about their religion and put the religions of others down.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
39/D-87
Apr 14, 2014
11:31 AM

Ram Lala,

>> If it quacks like an Islamist ....

How would a deaf dumbo like you know?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
40/D-96
Apr 14, 2014
11:50 AM

Outlook's next cover story - "DONT VOTE FOR MODI"

Kiran Voleti
Chennai, India
41/D-103
Apr 14, 2014
12:03 PM

Nasar Ahmad,

[[For example it is well known fact that RSS is involved in the Godhara train carnage.]]

Anything that is well known among Muslims is usually a conspiracy theory.

Ganwaar
Ganwaarpur, India
42/D-134
Apr 14, 2014
02:07 PM

Manusmriti is a Smriti (written by human beings) and has ZERO scriptural sanction or validity. Only Shrutis (Vedas that are heard by Rishis at their high state of consciousness) have validity in Hinduism.

For the psuedo-secularists, when they do not have any logic left, immediately clutch on to Manusmriti which probably no Hindu person or saint neither reads nor mentions in any discourse.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
43/D-189
Apr 14, 2014
06:50 PM
India need a very good management of economy. It is urgently required to reduce the imports of pity things, like fancy & simple lights candles cycles allpins many more , ( mainly manufactured in china which are imported in India ) . By this way we will be able to make employment in India and making Rupee stronger. There are many ways for this such as for immediate effect implying anti dumping duties on imports & reducing excise duty on manufacturing of particular things in India , and for long run improving infrastructure as electricity etc. & making labour laws simple and single window clearence for projects etc. . And India also requires to reduce imports of energy as gas petro & coal from Arabs and other countries , So that Rupee may get stronger .. This is also possible as India has known coal reserves for 225 years even if coal demand increases as per prevailing rate as per Coal Ministry web site and more and more reserves are discovered day by day , 70% to 80% percent electricity is produced in India by Coal , but it is shame for us that we are importing coal from last three years at very high cost Rs. 3000 to 8000 per tonne of amount appx. 5% of our total import bills ( While the 16% rise in imports in the April-January period led to a total foreign exchange outgo of Rs 56,588 crore, 27% more than Rs 44,539 crore in the year-ago period, this was lower than initial expectations. The calculation of the value of imports is based on an average price of Rs 4,300 a tonne (5,500 kilocalorie Indonesian coal, landed at the Visakhapatnam Port) this financial year, 8.9% more than Rs 3,945 a tonne in 2012-13. http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/coal-imports-to-rise-just-3-4-in-fy14-114022700726_1.html ) by doing this we not only increasing the cost of energy (electricity, and of other forms energy also as these may be substituted by each other in many uses ) but also making pressure on Rupee. So the fast exploration of coal is urgently required and it can be done easily by fullfilling the greed or genuine demands of people’s resigding there on lands of mines. And this was the same stratgy which Modi was following in Gujarat he was giving the compensation to farmers much more than their expectation and market prices in lue of their lands. I am in favour of giving high compensations to peoples to expidite the projects fastly, compansation may also be given even if it is not legally justified as in some places peoples goes on using Govt. land for many years but when govt wants to use that land then they make very loud noises with help of some “Jola Walas” . The exploration of Gas & Petro may also be increased , this Govt. had messed the policy formed and implemented by NDA by virtue of which Private operators were made parteners by giving shares in production and RIL was ready to get alloted 1 block “ K G D 6” out of more than 100 blocks in India and then RIL was able search the Gas & Petro there but this Govt. again made RIL a operator , and so India is suffring by scarcity of Gas and importing it at very high rate of 20$ per unit much more than rate specified by Kejri. I believe that high inflation in India is not merely due to supply side contraints but also mainly due high to devaluation of Rupee. I firmly believe that Modi will be able to act on these points very quickly.
Ashima
Hisar, India
44/D-229
Apr 14, 2014
09:28 PM

///Manusmriti is a Smriti (written by human beings) and has ZERO scriptural sanction or validity. Only Shrutis (Vedas that are heard by Rishis at their high state of consciousness) have validity in Hinduism.///

What Westerners were doing when these 'granths' were written? Most probably Not in existence or everybody sleeping with everybody. We still have 10k older lit and family system. Can XMSM intellectual goons can quote any. These people are destroyer/killer/murderer of many civilizations (USA, Australia, etc). You cannot expect more from the breed of pirates (Columbus and his forefathers).

dinesh chauksey
BHOPAL, India
45/D-250
Apr 14, 2014
11:18 PM

"How would a deaf dumbo like you know?" CAIR pracharak

Allah works in mysterious ways.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
46/D-46
Apr 15, 2014
04:32 AM
Arun Kumar, ...>> Manusmriti is a Smriti (written by human beings) and has ZERO scriptural sanction......... ..Very convenient!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
47/D-47
Apr 15, 2014
04:37 AM
Ram Lala,.... ....>> "Allah works in mysterious ways."........But there is no mystery about your being a programmed apparatchik.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
48/D-108
Apr 15, 2014
12:02 PM

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India

Sir, Tam-Muslims dont like APJ Kalam and they hate him same way they hate Modi. So its waste to ask them to grow like Kalam.

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
49/D-111
Apr 15, 2014
12:10 PM

Modi and his influence is limited to North

harun
chennai, India

And see who is writing this line one who himself comes from Chennai..

Is this not Modi's influence?

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
50/D-112
Apr 15, 2014
12:12 PM

In the mathematics-that-we-know-of 2 + 3 = 5. We can have ANY number of teachers at ANY place and at ANY time to teach Mathematics-that-we-know-of, since they all will teach the same thing that 2 + 3 = 5. They might use different ways and methods to teach but the result is the same. This mathematics-that-we-know-of needs no blasphemy laws or violent foot soldiers to protect it. It stands by itself. It can have 1 adherent or 1 million adherents. It simply does not care in number of adherents. People who want to know the Truth will automatically gravitate towards this mathematics-that-we-know-of.

But if there is another kind of subject where 2 + 3 = 1, then we have a problem. Because then there can be only 1 teacher who can teach (enforce). Having even a second teacher (forget about many teachers) is an issue as they will start contradicting each other. This subject needs protection through enforcement of strict blasphemy laws, having no other teacher and enforcement of belief through violent foot soldiers. Number of adherents is the basic foundation through which belief can be sustained and the core job of any person who got sucked into this belief system is to increase the number of adherents by hook or by crook.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
51/D-135
Apr 15, 2014
03:02 PM

Arun Kumar - Manusmriti is a Smriti (written by human beings) and has ZERO scriptural sanction

Anwaar - Very convenient!

Your assertion that the Sunnah,  the Hadith and the Shariah are not integral to Islam, is in addition to being "very convenient" is also an utter falsehood.

Arun Kumar is spot on when he insists that the Manu Smriti has "zero scriptural sanction." A fact is a fact, "convenience" be damned.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
52/D-163
Apr 15, 2014
06:03 PM

"Arun Kumar - Manusmriti is a Smriti (written by human beings) and has ZERO scriptural sanction"

The distinction between Shruti and Smriti has been clearly made in Hinduism. That is why numerous smritis have come and gone and social changes have happened all the time with very little violence.

For a hindu, only the Shruti is binding. Smriti is not. This is the orthodox position.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
53/D-10
Apr 16, 2014
01:14 AM
D.L.Narayan,....... >> the Manu Smriti has "zero scriptural sanction."....... What gives a book scriptural sanction in Hinduism? Why does the Gita have scriptural sanction that Manu Smriti doesn't?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
54/D-12
Apr 16, 2014
01:25 AM

"Why does the Gita have scriptural sanction that Manu Smriti doesn't?"

Because Gita deals with principles while Manu smriti(and numerous other smritis) deal with day to day life. Principles are eternal while social customs are not.

Therefore the Vedas themselves say that smritis applicable to one age are not applicable to another age.

As Ramakrishna said, the currency of Nawabs is not valid under the East India company rule. The same logic applies to all smritis.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
55/D-13
Apr 16, 2014
02:01 AM

" Why does the Gita have scriptural sanction that Manu Smriti doesn't?"

Because Lord Krishna is an Avatar of God; a reincarnation who gives through the Gita Divine Guidance to humanity at large. These revelations are for Hindus what the Holy Qura'an is to Muslims - the words of God Almighty. The Vedas too are revelations received by highly evolved rishis in a state of superconsciousness.

Smritis are of human origin. Only the ignorant will equate them with the Vedas or the BhagavadGita.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
56/D-17
Apr 16, 2014
02:28 AM
D.L.Narayan,..... >> "Smritis are of human origin. Only the ignorant will equate them with the Vedas or the BhagavadGita."......... But Gita, being a part of Mahabharata, is classified as "Smriti", whereas Vedas and Upanishads are classified as "Sruti".
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
57/D-22
Apr 16, 2014
02:40 AM

Shruti literally means what is heard and smriti means what is remembered, While hte Mahabharata is considere to be a smriti, the chapter which contains the Bhagavad Gita is considered to be s Shruti, especially the verses which are recited by Lord Krishna.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
58/D-23
Apr 16, 2014
02:44 AM

I agree with both DL Narayan and Akash who wrote very logically.

In Hinduism, only Shrutis have scriptural sanction as Shrutis are experienced/heard by Rishis (spiritual scientists) when they reach their high state of super-consciousness through meditation.

Smritis are written by human beings and have no spiritual significance.

Vedas are Shrutis. Upanishads are the philosophical reasoning, logic and high state of super consciousness experience part of the Vedas. There are 108 Upanishads each dealing with different view of experience of the one God (Brahman).

Bhagavadgita is the summary of Upanishads. Lord Krishna says in the Gita that He is not telling anything new to Arjuna. What He is telling is already there in the Upanishads.

Mahabharata is a Smriti. Eventhough it contains the Gita, that does NOT qualify Mahabharata to become a Shruti, in the same way as a literary piece of work by a novelist does not become mathematics because the novelist happens to quote a page from Newton's Mathematica Principia.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
59/D-26
Apr 16, 2014
02:58 AM
D.L.Narayan,......>> "While the Mahabharata is considere to be a smriti, the chapter which contains the Bhagavad Gita is considered to be s Shruti."....... So the Mahabharata (minus the Gita) has the same status as Manusmriti?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
60/D-29
Apr 16, 2014
03:10 AM

I like DL Narayan's very short definition - Shruti literally means that which is heard and Smriti means that which is remembered.

To remember, we need book(s) or we need somebody to tell us something that we can remember. This means that if the entire earth were to be destroyed tomorrow, then all Smritis will be also disappear as there would be no more any books left or people left to tell.

BUT Shrutis can immediately be "downloaded" by the Rishis (spiritual scientists) who can hear/experience them by just elevating their consciousness to a high supreme state.

So Shrutis are eternal even if the entire earth, or entire solar system or even the entire universe were to disappear. Shrutis are considered to be the eternal breath of the one eternal Brahman.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
61/D-34
Apr 16, 2014
03:31 AM

"So the Mahabharata (minus the Gita) has the same status as Manusmriti?"

1. The Mahabharata minus the Gita is just a smriti.

2. All smritis are not the same, It is a non-sequitur to arrive at that conclusion. To make it clearer for you - "Lady Chatterley's Lover" is a book. As is "The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich". Or "Mein Kampf". Or "The Critique of Pure Reason" by Immanuel Kant. Are all of them the same by virtue of being books?

Sigh!

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
62/D-43
Apr 16, 2014
07:45 AM
D.L.Narayan,...... >> "All smritis are not the same.".... A tortuous way to disown Manusmriti!....... >> "Your assertion that the Sunnah, the Hadith and the Shariah are not integral to Islam, is in addition to being "very convenient" is also an utter falsehood."....... See the double standard! Hadiths came into existence 200 years after Muhammed. Hadiths and Sunnah are just ways of Muhammed-worship which is forbidden in Islam. Shariah laws vary from place to place and have become the instruments to keep mullahdom flourishing....... >> "Gita Divine Guidance to humanity at large. These revelations are for Hindus what the Holy Qura'an is to Muslims - the words of God Almighty."....... I can accept that. What I object to is saying, "When we discard antiquated parts of our scriptures, it is okay. But you are stuck with your scriptures and we shall use them to badmouth your religion!" My view is that all religions should cherish and enlarge on what is best in their holy books and keep them consonant with the times. The one-upmanship game in matters of faith is for the very stupid.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
63/D-62
Apr 16, 2014
11:26 AM

Hinduism is a spiritual science. It is a science of the spirit just like Physics and Chemistry are the science of the matter, mathematics is the science of quantification.

Just as the principles of physics will exist and will continue to apply on all irrespective of whether they are understood or followed, similarly the principles of Hinduism will apply to all objects of creation irrespective of whether they are followed and continue to exist even if the universe were to disappear. The word "Hindu" does not appear in any scriptures, instead we have the words "prani" (living beings) and "manav" (human beings). Hence Hinduism is inherently and perfectly secular and non-denominational. Nobody is condemned as everyone will eventually find the Truth.

Hinduism like science can be debated, contradicted without fear and with full freedom of thought even in the premises of a temple. Hinduism welcomes and encourages questioning even it fundamental tenets. People are free to leave Hinduism without fear of blasphemy laws just as a student of Physics is free to stop studying Physics and start studying History. The spiritual principles of Hinduism are validated through numerous experiments by different Rishis (spiritual scientists) at different places and times and all of them come to the same final Truth as enunciated in the Vedas. Hinduism is not a 1 messenger based just as Physics is not a 1 scientist based.

Hinduism like science needs no protection of blasphemy laws or bands of violent foot soldiers to enforce it or hordes of men to propagate it. In Hinduism, people seek the Truth just as in Physics the student seeks the knowledge of physical laws. Just as in Physics, a student chooses a teacher, a book, a method of learning that best suits him, so in Hinduism the seeker chooses a Guru and a path that best suits him.

On the other hand, Belief systems do not have any of the above characteristics and hence they should not be compared with Hinduism. Hinduism per se has no issues with Belief systems as long as they do not indulge in violence to enforce, entice and coerce people into believing these Belief systems.

Arun Kumar
Hyderabad, India
64/D-68
Apr 16, 2014
11:46 AM
>> "Hinduism is a spiritual science". ........ There is no such thing as a spiritual science.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
65/D-70
Apr 16, 2014
12:10 PM

Ganwaar,

[[There is no such thing as a spiritual science.]]

Why am I not surprised you said this? Because it is impossible for someone brought up on a revealed religion to fathom Hinduism.

Ganwaar
Ganwaarpur, India
66/D-91
Apr 16, 2014
02:06 PM

>>> There is no such thing as a spiritual science.

Wrong. If one is to believe the Oxford dictionary the defintion of Science is:

The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment:

The Vedantic school of thought which is the core of Hinduism does the same with the Spirit - Atman, or for those dont understand it the Soul is its closest translation. All living physical creatures in the nature have souls ... including humans, animals, plants etc .. period

The Contrarian
London, United Kingdom
67/D-109
Apr 16, 2014
03:20 PM

@ Anwaar

>>>>>>A tortuous way to disown Manusmriti!.

One can disown a Smriti without resorting to toruous methods. Hinduism does not have provisions for persecuting non-conformists with concepts like apostasy, blasphemy and apostasy.

>>>>>>See the double standard!

No double standards. The Ahadeeth and the Sunnah and the Shariah are Islamic. To deterrmine whether anything is unIslamic or not, the Ulema refer to all of the above.

The probllem you have in understanding Hinduism is that you seek to understand through the prism of Islam. It will not work since Hinduism is fluidic and amorphous in nature whereas Islam is very solid in nature, rigid, not malleable and immutable. No scientist uses the laws of fluid dynamics to investigate the nature of solids and vice versa.

Islam and Hinduism are as like as chalk and cheese. Hence, looking for equivaents in Islam to smritis is an exercise in futility.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
68/D-111
Apr 16, 2014
03:28 PM

>>A tortuous way to disown Manusmriti!.

But trust me, nobody is going to be dismembered for disowning.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
69/D-126
Apr 16, 2014
05:21 PM

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narendramodifacts
Mumbai, India