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What the CCTV cameras saw when the Tehelka editor walked in and out of the elevator with a Young Woman in a Goa resort last November


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Apr 14, 2014
The Shifting Hands

In the cover story The Tarun Tejpal Tapes (April 7), an illustration accompanying the text erroneously depicted the girl as standing in front of a lift and holding Tarun Tejpal’s arm on November 7, whereas the CCTV camera footage, as the text of the accompanying story accurately noted, shows the former Tehelka editor holding her hand and leading her into the lift. We deeply regret this editorial error and draw attention to the fact that the illustration was correc­ted online as soon as it was brought to our notice.

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Apr 21, 2014
Now, What the Reader Can See

So what is Outlook trying to do? Cast aspersions on the victim (What the Elevator Saw, April 7)? We remember the magazine’s consistent attitude towards women victims. Anita Pratap wrote a piece virtually justifying the murder of “a bad poetess”, Khushwant Singh came out in defence of buddy David Davidar who had fired a victim by accusing her of “bossophila”, and now this. It takes just a second and a degree of humanity to understand that a young girl who has been sexually assaulted by her friend’s father is likely to be too stunned from the incident to report on it like a commentator talking about a match being played before him. I’d love to know what the women who work at Outlook have to say. Do they agree with this snide vilification campaign that is going on? I hope someone has the courage to speak up.

Mehul Kamdar, Appleton, US

Your cover story was a balanced, unbiased piece of reporting. If Tejpal is guilty, he should be punished to the extent commensurate with his crime. But why deny his request for pen and paper? If jail authorities need their pri­soners to reform, they should allow them books, a diary, writing instruments and a chance for physical exercise and prayer.

P. Kumar, on e-mail

The media had already wrung out every drop of juice from this sordid drama while it was being played out. The only purpose of Manu Joseph’s cover story appears to be to revive prurient interest in the incident, not to throw any fresh light on it.

Ramesh Ramachandra, Bangalore

With perhaps the most important elections in the history of independent India around the corner, you feature TT’s escapades on the cover! A new high in relevant journalism?

Pradip Chanda, on e-mail

The elevator saw nothing as there were no surveillance cameras inside the lift. What Manu Joseph writes is of a purely speculative nature. Besides, the matter is sub jud­ice. Whatever has happened to journalistic ethics?

D.L. Narayan, Visakhapatnam

Irrespective of what the CCTV cameras outside the elevators did or did not reveal what Tarun Tejpal was up to, the case clearly shows what India’s “up and mobile” do inside lifts and the cool comfort of workplaces, away from the cameras.

George Jacob, Kochi

Congrats Manu Joseph and Outlook for explaining in great detail how a ‘confused’ woman employee—whom Tarun Tejpal ‘consensually’ kissed, petted, removed the panties off and viola­ted with his fingers— “delivered (in his own words) me to the right-wing”. The ‘analysis’ makes a pretence of being balanced but gives a fairly good idea of what the neo-liberal editorial workspace for the modern professional woman is like. Bald, greying guys full of shit, looking for ‘consensual’ co-workers. One can blame it on alcohol etc but the pitting of this neo-lib glib media against the rightist moral straitjacket comes undone on their idea of consensus and the sexual entitlement the owner-editor has on the body of a woman emp­loyee. The Tejpals of the world portray themselves as warriors against corruption/sleaze but prove to have feet of clay. Sometimes it seems the big bad wolf in the modern Indian drama—the sleazy politician—conducts himself less avariciously.

B. Ashok, Trivandrum

Disappointed. The young journalist was obvi­ously traumatised by the forceful manner in which her employer thrust himself upon her, and to imply—on the basis of some unseeming disparity between the CCTV image and her recoll­ection of it—that the assault was consensual is appalling.

Bahu Virupaksha, Pondicherry

We have Tarun Tejpal’s e-mails in which he has apologised profusely to his assistant. We have his e-mail to all employees in which he has said he was resigning to “perform a penance that lacerates me”. In that e-mail, he has also admitted to “a bad lapse of judgement, an awful misreading of the situation” leading to the situation. Case closed. Period.

Ram Lala, Kavutaram

Is it a mere coincidence that Outlook and AAP are suddenly supporting Tejpal on this one? aap says the Goa police went on an overdrive to arrest Tejpal. Is this a sinister attempt to portray this as a BJP plot against its bete noire, Tehelka? Why all this detailed and painstaking analysis when the case, the CCTV evidence et al, are sub judice? Let the case run its course without “well-meaning” busybodies appearing to be trying to steer the outcome.

N.S. Rajan, Bangalore

It’s an open secret that a particular political party has been unhappy with the accused and can cause direct or indirect damage to accused and victim alike for their own propaganda. I was quite amazed at the speed with which the Goa police acted on the case. If TT has committed a wrong, then he deserves all punishment, but if politics is playing a role in this particular case, then rest assured, it is the beginning of the end of many a journalist.

Rahil Ahmar, Delhi

My sympathies go to his wife and daughters who are having to support a man who has no shame exploiting a girl his daughter’s age.

Abhianv, Lucknow

What injustice! The man whose worth is in crores has to rent a house and be evicted!

Akash Verma, Chennai

What the elevator certainly did not see are the mafinama or the smses Tejpal sent the girl. The magazine’s founding editor went to the extent of saying that if editors had to be put in jail for such petty incidents, he and his compatriots would be in and out of the clinker. His opinion, I suppose, and the misfortune of the girls who travelled with him in the lift.

A.K. Ghai, Mumbai

Why are you making us readers waste our time on an individual criminal case? Is it because he was associated with your magazine earlier?

Ramesh, Muscat

Why didn’t the media present similar “other sides” to the false stories against swamis (Nithya­nand, for example) which later turned out to be a case of ‘manipulation’ by TV channels?

Ram, Kerala

Rapist sympathisers like Manu Joseph, Seema Mustafa, Abhinandan Sekhri, Madhu Trehan et al can whine all they want, but just because Tarun Tejpal is their buddy, it does not mean he gets a free pass to commit a sexual crime. Would they be as sympathetic if the perpetrator had been an editor on the other side of the ideological fence?

Krupakar Kolbatla, Mumbai

Whatever happened between the two individuals—forced or consensual—might be hazy but what’s clear is that the post facto media examination of graphic detail is causing more harm to both parties.

Rajneesh Batra, Delhi

This is trial by media and is unfair to both individuals involved. Let the courts try the case and the media intervene only if they make a mistake.

E. Vinod, Chennai

The least punitive but most effective punishment that can be meted out to Tarun Tejpal is to force him to wear wicketkeeper’s gloves 24x7.

K. Suresh, Bangalore

Outlook ka asli rang
Tejpal ke sang

I don’t know what it was about this case. I anticipated before reading the way it was going to turn.

Tushar Trivedi, on e-mail

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Apr 21, 2014
A Letter from the Stepmother

It’s with great anguish and disappointment that I write  to you. In every story, there are two versions but only one truth. Your magazine  has chosen to portray the version of a rich, famous and debau­ched Tarun Tejpal and the truth has become a casualty. I have to admit, how­ever, that there was a feeble attempt to make the story appear balanced, by putting out the version of the victim through some members of the prosecuting team.

But that really does not matter, and that is not really the point I am making here. What was the real intent behind the publication of this story as a cover? With a misleading headline and false pictoral depictions? It doesn’t matter that you have now removed one illustration from your website, the damage has been done. The slant was clear, no one reads the fine print.

The entire story rests on the so-called CCTV “footage’’, dis­sects the conduct of the victim and attempts to make a big deal of some minor contradictions in her complaint to Tehelka. You are not even aware of all the supporting evidence in the case, including her own statements made on oath to the magistrate, the SMS trail, etc. That aside, were you not revolted at being shown the “footage” by the family of the accused? Did you not ask the basic question as an editor of a leading magazine whether it was legal and moral for you to view the video grab? Why was it so important for you to do this story? To help a fellow editor?  

My stepdaughter has lost her job, has had to move out of her flat in Mumbai, she has faced the most vicious character assassination campaign ever known in recent times at the hands of Tejpal and his flunkies. Ever stopped to consider what she has gained from all this? We see her everyday and we know what a living hell her life has become. Perhaps that’s what Tejpal wants. Perhaps this is exactly what every victim of sexual assault has to go through if at all she dares to stand up to her aggressor. Call her names, attribute false motives, give it a political colour and generally cloud the issue.

And if Tejpal is indeed innocent, why has he shamelessly rushed to you to plead his case? Should you not have at least exercised some restraint and waited for a judicial verdict?

4
May 05, 2014
Scandalous

I was appalled at the scandalous piece written by Manu Joseph on the Tarun Tejpal incident (What the Elevator Saw, Apr 7). After suggesting that the victim might be lying, Joseph has the brazenness to say in the end that “it is possible that the inconsistencies between the young woman’s statements and the hard truth of the video footage are consequences of lapses in memory. When I tried to recount my recent actions for which there were....” If this indeed was the case, why did he then write this terrible, opinionated article so sympathetic to the point of view of the accused? Poor journalism and in very poor taste. I didn’t expect this to appear in Outlook.

Rajesh Kallage, Bangalore
Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-78
Mar 29, 2014
12:45 PM

No matter how clear cut the issues might appear, the idea that there could be another side to the story, either in the interests of fair play or intellectual rigour, seems slowly to be fading from the national discourse at 2100 hours.

ashok lal
mumbai, India
2/D-88
Mar 29, 2014
01:09 PM

Leaving the definition of 'rape' ( and 'sexual molestation' ), open to the womans interpretation, is the cruellest antimale attitude yet.

To the media, males are easy meat. No voices. No organisations.

Whereas, when a feminists speaks, even courts stand up and listen, as though they speak the gospel truth, MALES stand NO CHANCE of fair play in the Indian media.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
3/D-93
Mar 29, 2014
01:14 PM

Ever since the Nribhaya rape case happened and strong anti-rape laws were enacted, there have been many such false allegations of rape, and everyone is only too quick to condemn the man involved without looking at the evidence. Tejpal's accuser here seems like an opportunist who is out to make a quick buck, never mind if she ruins someone's life in the process. People like her deserve nothing short of the death sentence. It is becuse of such unscrupulous misusers of the law that genuine rape cases don't get the sympathy or help they deserve.

G.Natrajan
Isere, France
4/D-105
Mar 29, 2014
01:41 PM

EVEN IF Tejpal manages to get free from jail, his reputation ( a male reputation of decades ), will lie shattered.

And this, brings joy to some women and their groups.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
5/D-113
Mar 29, 2014
01:52 PM

Even if you are a rapist, it pays to be a succular rapist. Magazines like Outlook will defend him.

Contrast this with the way Outlook treated Jayendra Saraswat. Filthiest lies were invented against him and published by Outlook. But when the court exonerated him on all charges, the magazine did not have the guts to publish the story. It simply buried it.

But Tejpal is holy cow.

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
6/D-115
Mar 29, 2014
01:55 PM

She may not have intended to but what she has done is that she has delivered me to the right wing. That’s what she has done. - Tejpal

Earlier the line was that this was a planned BJP conspiracy to get him because of his sting operation against bangaru Laxman.

Now it has changed. Given that TT now says the complainant was not instigated by the BJP, can anyone give any convincing reason why she should make a false complaint against TT?

Bonita
Chennai, India
7/D-117
Mar 29, 2014
01:57 PM

Whatever happened between the two – Good, Bad, Ugly, Consensual, Forced, or Imaginative is HAZY. But what is Crystal Clear is that the Scrutiny through Graphic Details is causing more Damage to both than the ACTUAL INCIDENT caused.

Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
8/D-123
Mar 29, 2014
02:16 PM

Why are you making us readers waste our time on an individual criminal case?  Are you giving such prominence to all individual criminal cases?  Why or how is this case different? Is it because he was associated with your magazine earlier?

Ramesh
Muscat, Oman
9/D-124
Mar 29, 2014
02:22 PM

8 D Rajesh

"Why are you making us readers waste our time on an individual criminal case?"

Where were you all this while, when the Indian media, women groups, ( and even political parties ), were slandering him openly, with 5+ articles devoted to the allegations?

And where were you when rape allegations gets HYPER REPORTED every day ( I mean even today ), by the Antimale media? And unlike Tejpal, have no useful contacts in the antimale media to 'save' them, or even print their version of events?

Misogynist
Chennai, India
10/D-129
Mar 29, 2014
03:02 PM

Kudos to OUTLOOK for bringing open the hitherto
unknown facts of the much maligned 'rape'.
'Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies'......there
ahed lies many illusionary versions, a drama in court room
but my friendly suggestion to Tejpal is "This phase will pass'






 

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi
PATTAMBI, India
11/D-141
Mar 29, 2014
04:05 PM

While Tejpal may be optimistic about the tapes exonerating him, he, like MOST Indian journos, are unaware of the fact that the DEFINITION of rape has changed.

Violence is no longer a prerequisite, and at the insistence of women ( and lack of objections from males ), even wives can accuse their husbands under the draconian provisions of the anti-male laws.

Hope that this is a rude wake-up call, to ALL males in the Indian media, to wake up from their complacency.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
12/D-148
Mar 29, 2014
04:35 PM

HUHA (# 11),

A couple of your recent posts made sense, leading me to believe you had pulled your head out from where it was stuck. Unfortunately, after getting some fresh air, you have shoved it back.

MOST Indian journos, are unaware of the fact that the DEFINITION of rape has changed.

Presumptious statement. You must be consorting with some pretty ignorant journalists if they are all unaware that the definition of rape was changed by the Criminal Laws (Amendment) Act, 2013.

Violence is no longer a prerequisite,

This was not one of the changes. Violence has NEVER been a "sine qua non" (please note spelling) for an offence of rape in India or elsewhere.

and at the insistence of women ( and lack of objections from males ), even wives can accuse their husbands under the draconian provisions of the anti-male laws.

Wrong again. The offence of "marital rape" accepted elsewhere has not been included in the IPC, except when husband and wife are legally separated.

Either you don't know what the laws are, or, more likely, do know but deliberately state something which is incorrect in pursuit of your own personal agenda.

Bonita
Chennai, India
13/D-161
Mar 29, 2014
06:12 PM

The whole article by itself exposes that Tejpal indulged in a sexual act (forced himself).

What is the author trying to do,exonerate Tejpal ,by pointing to some trivial inconsistencies.

This is despicable,every women has absolute right over her body and its sacred.

No Employer has any right to have a go at his employee.

From the contents in the article its absolutely clear that there was a sexual act or an attempt in the elevator.

Tejpal may be facing a Fast track Court because he is caught in Hostile territory,Never the less he did try out things with a Women who is 20 years his junior.Shamefull and Deplorable.

If not rape Tejpal should be jailed for causing outrage to the modesty of that lady.

 

harun
chennai, India
14/D-174
Mar 29, 2014
07:07 PM

The laws have been copied from the west and Indian women on a revenge spree.This is devastating to the nation.There are countless families in which women folk are in dire straits due to domestic violence act.By splitting women from men and making them compete and fight with each other feminists are destroying the social fabric of the society.Though it looks gainful for the women in the beginning they will be the losers soon.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
15/D-184
Mar 29, 2014
08:01 PM

This is trial by media and is unfair to both the victim and the accused person. Let the courts try the case. Let the media intervene only if the courts make any mistake.

Vinod
Chennai, India
16/D-186
Mar 29, 2014
08:05 PM

The laws have been copied from the west and Indian women on a revenge spree '

Mr Nassar Ahmed if the girl was your daughter with Tejpal then please confirm your views will be same .
Easy to comment on other's daughters .
And why you bother at all when no Law is applicable to Muslims.

Shahbano ? Remember her ?

a k ghai
mumbai, India
16/D-187
Mar 29, 2014
08:05 PM
Why this media trial now when judicial trial is going on.SC warned of any media trial on such cases when the judicial trial is going on.Goan Police filed charge sheet in the court.Tarun Tejpal as accused is under judicial custody denied bail several times due to fear of his influencing all evidences and also the complaint .Tarun Tejpal is highly powerful influential VVIP is current govt.His relatives are high power pedestal. He is a known editor owner and publisher who can twist all the cases to his benefits. He can force the complainant girl to commit suicide by repeated threats and blackmail.Now see his friend manu Joseph started Media trial of the case.He is judge of the case Tarun is victim and accused is that innocent girl.Bloody crooks these journo are what do they think indian judiciary runs on their whims and fancies.Are they above law.what do they think by publishing such articles on their own purchasd pimp magazines they can influence judiciary an courts.Now time for courts to take note of such article and punish the journo for intereference in process of law.
dabangghindu
Bhubaneswar, India
17/D-188
Mar 29, 2014
08:08 PM
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dabangghindu
Bhubaneswar, India
18/D-190
Mar 29, 2014
08:11 PM

" He still has a stake in the company that holds the Tehelka magazine but neither he nor his family has any operational role in it anymore. His family has been evicted from their rented home in Delhi where they had lived for eight years because the owner grew nervous of news media reports that referred to the house as his “ancestral home”.

What injustice!! The man whose worth is in crores has to rent a house and has been evicted!!! The injustice makes one's heart bleed and makes one question God all over again.

That aside, why did Tejpal issue an apology if the relationship was consensual? 

Akash Verma
Chennai, India
19/D-196
Mar 29, 2014
08:22 PM

Dear Vinod Mehta ji

Surely Lift will not see what MAFINAMA ,SMSs TEJPAL SENT THE GIRL .Also Lift will not know that apologized to the Raped girl for his indiscretion read Rape per Law.

Mr Viond Mehta was the strident defender of TejPal's Rape .He even went to say that if on such petty incidents if one is put in Jail then during our decades of career in Journalism all of us would have gone into Jail .

Well no such Law existed then -hence your goodluck and bad luck of the girls who travelled with you in the Lift .

WE TOO ARE THE UNLUCKIEST THAT WE ARE NOW WITHOUT PART TWO OF


'THE EXPERIENCES OF THE LUCKNOW BOY IN TIHAR JAIL !

'MY TIMES AND EXPERIENCES IN TIHAR JAIL '

By Vinod Mehta !

a k ghai
mumbai, India
20/D-197
Mar 29, 2014
08:22 PM

Outlook and its editors have gone insane.

Maha
NJ, United States
21/D-202
Mar 29, 2014
08:37 PM

The above comments, some of them made by males, shows the amount of distrust that society has, for males. They refuse to even believe that the woman had a part to play in sexually arousing the male, and that four months in jail and a reputation tattered, is outrageously draconian - just because he happens to be a MALE!

The media inspired hate of males is obviously showing results. And Tejpal has only his journalist collegues to blame, for the negative streotypes. Can only hope they learn the lesson.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
22/D-203
Mar 29, 2014
08:45 PM

Taken to a logical end, males will have to have written consent from a female he proposes to have any kind of sexual relation with.

THIS IS NOT THE WAY HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY WORKS.

While women will have full confidence of having sex with anyone she pleases. Usually the male will not protest, and there are no legal avenues anyway. And she can jail anyone she pleases too!

WAKE UP, MALES! SPEAK UP!

Misogynist
Chennai, India
23/D-205
Mar 29, 2014
08:55 PM

The elevator saw nothing since there were no surveillance cams inside the cabin. What Manu Joseph writes is of a purely speculative nature. Besides, the matter is subjudice. What has happened to journalistic ethics?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
24/D-206
Mar 29, 2014
08:59 PM

It beats me how the sympathisers don't see a disturbing flaw!
1. A woman can frame a case, even with obvious inconsistencies and lies, harass the man for months or years, and even when the chap is acquitted, walk out without even an admonition.

It's a joke that, with such option, one still talks about 'fair' judicial system! Because talk is cheap. It's easy to talk lofty so long as one is inside the safety line. I wish those who stress for fair exercise of justice are equally loud about demanding as stringent a punishment for those who file false cases. Why doesn't it amount to abuse of judicial provisions, I wonder! A fair system is not one that only brings the criminals to task, but also ensures nobody becomes the subject of abuse unfairly.

I appreciate those who jump impatiently and assume heroic stance to stand up for sisters, mothers, daughters, etc, but it's severely insane to forget that we also have brothers, fathers and sons who need equal care. Unfortunately, most people don't seem to remember them unless a false case hits his home! Don't talk about fairness unless you can stand up equally for all, regardless of sex.

Chittaranjan
Bangalore, India
25/D-213
Mar 29, 2014
09:42 PM

1) We have Tarun Tejpal's emails in which he apologized profusely to his assistant.

2) We have his email to all his employees in which he said he resigned to perform "penance that lacerates me" (insert eye roll here).

3) In that email, he also said "a bad lapse of judgement, an awful misreading of the situation, have led to an unfortunate incident."

Case closed.

Tejpal in jail, Teesta heading to jail, Sonia and Rahul Baba getting ready for airlift to Italy, and sickos like Manu Joseph and Vinod Mehta squealing like stuck pigs.

Let's enjoy this while it lasts.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
26/D-223
Mar 29, 2014
11:09 PM
The law will take its course; from the description of the events in this article, I am convinced that Tejpal will end up in jail. But there is a broader lesson, one that has been repeated a million times in human history: (a) do not engage in libidinous activities with co-workers; (b) a boss must never ever engage in libidinous activities with his/her subordinates, period. It is a crime even when it is consensual. (c) work-place and romance/sex do not mix.   People like Tejpal seem to think they can somehow beat these universal rules and get away with it, until they end up in jail and become just another data point confirming the above rules.   
Ravi Jain
Hyderabad, India
27/D-236
Mar 29, 2014
11:37 PM

26 D Jain

"work-place and romance/sex do not mix..."

This is a wrong lesson.

Firstly, romance DOES occur at the workplace, and there is no reason why it should be OK ONLY when a feminist initiates it. Are males not humans too? After all, romance is one of the 'natural' ways. that females use to progress and advance their careers above more meritorious males.

And secondly, this is about exagerration of a romantic ( PoV of the male ) advance, by a feminist ( for either of two reasons - either because she felt scorned and wanted revenge, or as a plain hysterical reaction, seconded by plodding by her anti-male media friends ).

Misogynist
Chennai, India
28/D-1
Mar 30, 2014
12:00 AM

Let the man have his day in court! Like any other defendant, he is entitled to put up the best defense that he can, irrespective of his detractors' wishes.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
29/D-10
Mar 30, 2014
12:35 AM

So what is Outlook trying to do again? Cast aspersions on a victim? And, there are those of us who remember a consistent attitude in your magazine to women victims. Anita Pratap wrote a piece virtually justifying the murder of a bad "poetess<" Khushwant Singh had to come out to defend his buddy David Davidar accusing a woman whom Davidar got fired for harassing of "bossophilia," and now this. 

It takes just a second and a degree of humanity to understand that a young girl who has been sexually assaulted by her friend's father is likely to be too stunned from the incident to report on it like a commentator talking about a match being played before him. I'd love to know what the women who work at Outlook have to say. Do they agree with this snide vilification that is clearly going on? I hope someone has the courage to speak up. 

 
 

Mehul Kamdar
Appleton, USA
30/D-13
Mar 30, 2014
12:39 AM

29 D Mehul

"...casting aspersions on a victim..."

How easy it is, to fob off any defence by a male, in the guise of 'casting aspersions on a victim"!

Is this a feminist state?

Misogynist
Chennai, India
31/D-41
Mar 30, 2014
08:37 AM

206 Chitaranjan
'A fair system is not one that only brings the criminals to task, but also ensures nobody becomes the subject of abuse unfairly".
nice post.

V.N.K.Murti Pattambi
PATTAMBI, India
32/D-47
Mar 30, 2014
09:42 AM

Is it merely a coincidence that Outlook and AAP are suddenly now supporting Tejpal on this one?  AAP says the Goa police went on an overdrive to arrest Tejpal. Is there a sinister attmept to portray this again as a BJP "plot"  against its bete noire, "Tehelka'? Why all this detailed and painstaking analysis when the case, the CCTV evidence et al is "sub judice", as Congress always claims, whenever it wants to avoid or evade comment on anything adverse to it?  Let the case run its course without well meaning busybodies appearing to be trying to steer the outcome.

N.S.Rajan
Bangalore, India
33/D-49
Mar 30, 2014
10:35 AM

Let the media intervene only if the courts make any mistake - Vinod (#15)

Would this be before or after the SC?

Bonita
Chennai, India
34/D-57
Mar 30, 2014
11:13 AM

The story starts with Tejpal waiting for his daughter & all father and daughter stuff. (Time tested method to soften the image). The title “what elevator saw” (really!). I wonder if this guy a criminal defense lawyer?

Sometime back, there was “Define, Refine, Redefine” by Anuradha Raman. You see the trajectory!
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?289597

“To make a law more detrimental, to my mind, is not the right approach …” give me break …

Really! Would anyone from outlook honestly come forward and tell us if they would bring this debate on rape law & quantum of punishment, if it was not TT. You see “Yeh andar ki baat hai”.
 

Pramod
Tucson, United States
35/D-58
Mar 30, 2014
11:29 AM

28/D-1
Let the man have his day in court! Like any other defendant, he is entitled to put up the best defense that he can, irrespective of his detractors' wishes. Anwaar Dallas, United States

Does this apply to Modi?

Pramod
Tucson, United States
36/D-67
Mar 30, 2014
12:19 PM

35 D Pramod

"Does this apply to Modi?"

Even Modi, accused of complicity in a major crime, could not be jailed before trial.

Again proves the antimale system we live in. It is a feminist world, thanks to feminist propaganda and antimale slander by the media. Another wake up call.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
37/D-70
Mar 30, 2014
12:33 PM

Misogynist, Chennai, India
I have no issues discussing things with you. But the problem is you have singular fixation with male/female thing.

Pramod
Tucson, United States
38/D-71
Mar 30, 2014
12:43 PM

Pramod,

>>>> Let the man have his day in court! Like any other defendant, he is entitled to put up the best defense that he can, irrespective of his detractors' wishes.
>> Does this apply to Modi? 

Yes! He should have his day in court, as the amicus curaie Raju Ramachandran had suggested. The derelict Raghavan SIT however did not want to see that happen.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
39/D-72
Mar 30, 2014
01:05 PM

37 D Pramod

Your condescending language reeks of the 'BJP' stink.

The point however is that, for our antimale system, Tejpal is WORSE than even Modi, ( and hence jailed even before he could defend himself ), since the complainant was a woman, and the allegation is of rape!

Is this a feminist state?

Misogynist
Chennai, India
40/D-77
Mar 30, 2014
01:34 PM

The readers do not want to be confused in the matter. They would of course desire keenly that Tejpal ,if he has done anything wrong -falling under the legal definitions of molestation,sexual assault etc.against the said innocent lady,he must be appropriately punished so that no one dares to commit what he has.  It would be quite demoralising and depresssing not for the victim but others also  if he is  ,just for want of adequate evidences, is acquitted and freed,  despite his indulgence in alleged act.

No lady from good cultured family would want to lie against any one for any reason whatsoever,stacking her own prestige .

Parshuram Gautampurkar,Sawai Madhopur,Rajasthan

Parshuram Gautampurkar
Sawai Madhopur,Rajasthan, India
41/D-100
Mar 30, 2014
05:11 PM

For the information of those who think that Tarun Tejpal is more sinned against than sinning.

Tarun Tejpal’s bail defence: Why was victim in De Niro’s room for an hour? - Firstpost

What was the victim in the Tehelka rape case doing in Hollywood actor Robert De Niro's room for an hour and a half at night? That is one of the points raised by former Tehelka editor-in-chief Tarun Tejpal's defence lawyer in the bail plea which has also described "the character of the female victim is not beyond suspicion".

"He (defence lawyer) submitted that there is evidence to show that the victim was in the room of the guest Mr. Robert De Niro for about one and half hour in the night time," High Court Justice Utkarsh Bakre has noted in his order denying bail to the 50-year-old journalist.

Bakre also said that the prosecution has thwarted attempts made by the defence to produce messages exchanged on WhatsApp, a social media platform between the victim, Tejpal's daughter and another friend, which according to the defence tended to "disclose relationship between the victim girl and the guest named 'Bob', who appears to be Robert De Niro.

In the first place, it is well established in law that the victim's character has no bearing in a case of rape. The only question is whether the sex was consensual or not.

More to the point it answers the puzzling question as to:

1. Why TT should inflict himself on a girl who was his daughter's friend and
2. Why he believed his advances (despite the age parity) would be welcomed.

TT must have thought that if she was giving it to 'Bob' (Robert de Niro) she would be ready to let him have it too. It doesn't matter if the lady was doing it with Bob or not. TT obviously decided she was and wanted a share of what he thought was on offer.

Bonita
Chennai, India
42/D-102
Mar 30, 2014
05:15 PM

AGE DISPARITY not age parity

Bonita
Chennai, India
43/D-110
Mar 30, 2014
07:00 PM

41 D Bonita

You may be a lawyer, and Tejpals defence may be wrongly advised.

BUT the fact is, that Tejpal is in jail ONLY because a WOMAN alleges that he sexually misbehaved with her. Even the extent of her allegations, considering their circumstances,  do not amount to rape, in any conventionally accepted defintion. At most, they can constitute sexual harassment, or molestation. Now your feminist definition may not be acceptable to any sane men, but that is another, antimale, matter.

If 'Bob' has come into the picture, it only furthens the probablity that there are personal issues here. And the 'lady' ( who wont even be named! ), was probably trying to make Tejpal furiously jealous by revealing her sexcapades to him.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
44/D-114
Mar 30, 2014
07:14 PM

"BUT the fact is, that Tejpal is in jail ONLY because a WOMAN alleges that he sexually misbehaved with her.' Mis Go

BUT the fact is,that  Tejpal is not homo so ONLY WOMAN rape complaints .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
45/D-136
Mar 30, 2014
08:38 PM

"What was the victim in the Tehelka rape case doing in Hollywood actor Robert De Niro's room for an hour and a half at night?" Sicko defence

If some "Sanghi inbred imbecile" was making these kinds of arguments, these sicko scum would have been beside themselves in rage, asserting that this was more evidence of the vile nature of Hindutvawadis and their patriarchical culture.

These people are truly sickos - in the coming election, let us send them to the garbage heap of history where they belong.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
46/D-149
Mar 30, 2014
09:34 PM

If this young employee of Tehelka was indeed sent to Robert de Niro's room for an hour and a half, it must have been at the behest of Tejpal.

This would make Tejpal not only a rapist but a pimp. He should be prosecuted under the flesh-trade laws. The role of the madam (pun intended) who ran Tehelka on his behalf, Shoma Chaudhury, should also be investigated. You have to wonder how many more young girls at Tehelka were used in this way by "Tejmaal".

Tehelka was little more than a sicko brothel. You have to wonder how much more sicko dirt will come out after the government changes in May. No wonder the jihadi-sicko nexus is so terrified.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
47/D-154
Mar 30, 2014
09:59 PM

@40/D-77, Parshuram: "No lady from good cultured family would want to lie against any one for any reason whatsoever,stacking her own prestige".

On an otherwise dull Sunday, this joke made me LoL. Thanks!

Chittaranjan
Bangalore, India
48/D-168
Mar 30, 2014
11:04 PM

The charge made by the young lady against Tarun has one specificity - his alleged penchant for oral sex. Because of its relatively uncommon nature, someone who knows Tarun closely would immediately know if her charge has substance, or is frivolous. Could Geetan help?

Najid Hussain
Newark, United States
49/D-171
Mar 30, 2014
11:11 PM

If one believes Manu Joseph and his god father, Tarun Tejpal is not a rapist, nothing happened and whatever happened was not recorded, and what was not recorded was consensual. A 23 year old journalist infatuated with a santa claus  looking man can be explained psychosexually through Carl Jung's Electra Complex. However, even this complex does not explain why the 23 year old journalist became a "bitch" in Tejpal's words as Joseph writes. What happened in few seconds that she just became a BITCH?

The girl hasn't asked for tv interviews, she has remained as anonymous , she is not asking for compensation,  she has, moreover,  remained constant compared to Tejpal's inconsistencies. Why would she become a bitch for no reason? May be Manu Joseph can ask Tejapl;s daughter about why girls become bitches.

Don Quixote
Rody, India
50/D-172
Mar 30, 2014
11:13 PM
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Don Quixote
Rody, India
51/D-173
Mar 30, 2014
11:27 PM

Tejpal aka Angel is completely innocent. Victim of RSS/BJP plot. The nasty evil  young lady is lying. Tejpal aka Angel was just showing fatherly concern. Matter closed. Signed sealed and delivered by Judges Outlook and Chums.

Fact
Factpur, Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands
52/D-20
Mar 31, 2014
01:51 AM

The very people who are fulminating against tejpal were actively supporting Assaram.

Their stand on rape is conditional.

They would like to consider different factors before declaring their support- mainly:

1. Who was raped ? Was it someone from the beyond the pale of society ?

2. who is the rapist ? was rapist from upper caste, if yes was the rape committed by religious person or as a part of punishment on the people beyond the pale of society?

Don't take my word for it. Watch this space and watch their response when such rapes occur.

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
53/D-26
Mar 31, 2014
02:49 AM

"who is the rapist ? was rapist from upper caste, if yes was the rape committed by religious person or as a part of punishment on the people beyond the pale of society?" IATA Munshi

IATA, welcome back. A few weeks ago, you wanted to debate caste, but when I offered to debate you, you disappeared without a trace. Since you are raising the topic of caste again, let me know if you still want to debate, and if so, what it is that you want to debate.

Awaiting your reply with bated breath.

Ram Lala
Kavutaram, India
54/D-37
Mar 31, 2014
06:24 AM

When Nagma slept a criminal who tried to kiss her, I was expecting Miso to attack Nagma.  For some strange reason that attack never came.  Now those defending TT are going to defend the guy who tried to kiss Nagma? or they are going to throw him under the bus? 

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
55/D-45
Mar 31, 2014
09:36 AM

Misogynist (#43),

You may be a lawyer,

I am not. However, I am able to read (as are you) and try to keep abreast of what's happening.

and Tejpals defence may be wrongly advised.

I am not paid enough to comment or offer TT advice.

BUT the fact is, that Tejpal is in jail ONLY because a WOMAN alleges that he sexually misbehaved with her.

He was arrested on the basis of the lady's complaint. His continued incarceration is a judicial decision based on the arguments presented by lawyers for the prosecution and defence.

Even the extent of her allegations, considering their circumstances, do not amount to rape, in any conventionally accepted defintion. At most, they can constitute sexual harassment, or molestation. Now your feminist definition may not be acceptable to any sane men, but that is another, antimale, matter.

The allegations if proved constitute RAPE as per Indian Law. It is not MY definition (feminist or otherwise). It is the considered definition accepted by Parliament. You may not agree with the law or the definition but that's called hard cheese.

If 'Bob' has come into the picture, it only furthens the probablity that there are personal issues here. And the 'lady' ( who wont even be named! ), was probably trying to make Tejpal furiously jealous by revealing her sexcapades to him.

You may be right, you may be wrong. This is hypothesis and you are welcome to hypothesise. However, don't tinker with facts.

Bonita
Chennai, India
56/D-48
Mar 31, 2014
09:52 AM

Disgusting article. What is the point? No one is doubting that a sexual assault took place. The quantum of punishment should take into account the amount of violence inflicted. That is clear. But what is the point of this article?

The victim would have had no solid evidence to back up her charge but for the e-mail which was leaked. So??? 

Tejpal should tender an unconditional apology and accept punishment. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
57/D-58
Mar 31, 2014
10:14 AM

www.facebook.com/shefv/posts/10152748793872796

I request all of you who are reading this to share this post far and wide, so that people know the intolerant monster called AAP. Like Tejpal, truly, the beast in our midst!

The day AAP tried to intimidate me!

Yesterday, March 30th, 2014, was the last day of the year according to the Indian almanac. It was also the day the Aam Aadmi party’s Goa unit tried its best to muzzle my voice and to intimidate me.

In the morning, when someone forwarded a newspaper clipping to me on twitter. It was followed by two links, one from AAJ TAK, and another from the Business Standard. They all said the same thing, that the AAP LS candidate from South Goa, Ms. Swati Kerkar had allegedly commented that the Goa CM, Manohar Parrikar had gone ‘overboard’ in ‘chasing’ Tejpal. Media reports also clearly stated that the Tejpal has found ‘sahanoobhooti’ (sympathy) from AAP - all highlighted terms used by the media!

Naturally, I was shocked. Tejpal, as we all know, is currently rotting in a Goa jail and is charged with rape. He represents the worst of the criminals, those who flout the laws with impunity and then expect their contacts, their position in the society to bail them out. Lurid details what he did are already in the public domain, so I will not dwell on them. But I was outraged.

As a woman, I couldn’t comprehend why a woman candidate would even want to talk about Tejpal in a talk about mining. What is the connection between Tejpal and mining. Why was he mentioned at all? The media reports were clear and unambiguous in the words they used. It was obvious from the media reports at least that Ms. Kerkar had appeared to treat Tejpal as a’victim’, rather than a ‘perpetrator’ of the crime he is accused of.

As a citizen, I felt concerned and wanted to raise this issue in a public forum. So I made a post on Goa +, the largest and most active Goan cyber forum. I reproduce my post verbatim here.

'So the Aam Aadmi party Candidate for South Goa, Swati Kerkar actually supports rapist Tejpal? I cannot believe that a woman would support a beast like Tejpal just for petty political gains. And she claims to be an activist for women's rights? Shame on Swati Kerkar! As a woman, I am outraged!’

To anyone with a modicum of intelligence, it would be obvious that I had based my post on the media reports and I had used a question mark. It was a post meant to raise a question. As an independent citizen who is NOT affiliated with any political party, I was asking a question to the AAP candidate. I repeatedly asked the AAP guys to either produce the video of the speech or get Ms. Kelkar to make a statement on the forum to clear the matter, which would have been the most sensible thing to do.

Instead, what I got was abuse, personal attacks and language that would make any street thug hang his head in shame. Miki Naik, one of the functionaries of the AAP in Goa made a public post using the words ' Is this how low BJP will stoop? Use a woman to make baseless accusations?’
thereby implying that the BJP had asked me to make a post.

His sidekick, one Mujahid Hussain Rizwi, went one step further and made a comment ‘Papi pet ka sawaal hai. Shefali has to earn a living’, thereby clearly accusing me of getting paid by the BJP to make a post. I challenged both of them to provide the proof.

Meanwhile, this Miki Naik, made a separate post on his forum, the official AAM AADMI PARTY FORUM in Goa, accusing me of wilfully maligning his candidate and implying again that the BJP had put me up to it. And that’s where all the abuse started.

My intelligence was questioned, my character was questioned, my family, my marriage, my profession, everything was mentioned. There was a person, who I regret to say, I had once made the mistake of inviting into my house. A person who had sat on my couch, ate food that I had cooked, a person who called me Didi, older sister! That same person now posted vile stuff that my dignity does not permit me to reproduce here. Also, the person has since tendered an unconditional apology, so I will not mention his name.

But the people on the AAP forum behaved like hyenas, cackling at the insensitive jokes, liking those tasteless pictures that were put up and accusing me repeatedly of making a statement in vested interests, when it is clear that my post was phrased as a QUESTION!

While I have been a vocal supporter of Modi, and I have never tried to hide that fact, I am no way affiliated with the BJP. I am acting on Facebook in my own capacity as an individual. I am entitled to express my views, as long as I do not abuse anyone. My post was meant to seek a clarification from the AAP candidate. Instead, what I got was abuse after vile abuse, from people who are officially associated with the party. I reproduce some of the choice comments here for all to see, even though the vilest ones seem to have been deleted.

Miki Naik -' Is this how low BJP will stoop? Use a woman to make baseless accusations?’

Prashant Parab - That doggy's shower will really wash her brain (comment on a pic of a dog peeing)

Mangi Singbal- Exactly...an ak khok khok post gets 200 likes from so called smart intellectual individuals...unbelievable.. i usually have a look at the names of these great minds. ..shefali just enjoys this popularity..

Binoy Hoskote - WOMEN ARE ENEMIES OF WOMEN has been an old saying, which some women are bent on PROING AGAIN and AGAIN...right Shefali?….Shefali U shame the entire gender image & values of high ESTEEM ASSIGNED TO WOMEN. Wonder who has made you stoop to such disgusting levels one wonders.

Yash Naik - it is shefali who is supporting protector of vasco rapist.

Rizwan Shaikh Nabi - Your taking away thier income AAP, this kind of attacks will continue

Is this what AAP is all about? Is this how they uphold the freedom of expression? Is this how they tolerate contrary opinions? Is this how they will deal with opposition if, God forbid, they ever come to power? If AAP cannot deal with a single post made by a private individual on a cyber forum with dignity and maturity, how are they going to deal with opposition in future? The very thought makes me shudder!!

Ms. Kerkar was the candidate, not me. She is the one answerable to the electorate not me. According to media reports, she had made the controversial statement, not me. The clarification, if any, should have come from her, not me. I acted in good faith, based on media reports. I expected AAP to deal with my post with dignity and maturity. Instead, I was harassed repeatedly for my phone number, my post was deliberately twisted to appear as a statement, when it was CLEARLY phrased as a question.

This is the REAL face of AAP. They are people who will stop at NOTHING. They will try abuse, intimidation, threats, vile insinuation, anything to silence the dissenting voice! As this incident amply proves, AAP is like Tejpal, truly, the beast in our midst! And THESE are the guys who talk of change? Really?

© Shefali Vaidya

   

Mohan
Kutch, India
58/D-61
Mar 31, 2014
10:26 AM

The most decent but effective and foolproof punishment TT can be meted out is : Force him to wear wicketkeepers gloves 24x7.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
59/D-62
Mar 31, 2014
10:29 AM

The media had already wrung out every drop of juice from this sordid drama while it was being played out. The only purpose of Manu Joseph's tired "cover story" seems to be to revive prurient interest on the incident without thrownig any fresh light on it.

Ramesh Ramachandra
Bangalore, India
60/D-67
Mar 31, 2014
11:04 AM

Nice, the original Congressi hack who is in jail for rape is being defended by another one kicked out from Open Magazine after he joins Outlook which is another PR firm for the Gandhis.

RSM
Delhi, India
61/D-68
Mar 31, 2014
11:06 AM

K. Suresh,

[[The most decent but effective and foolproof punishment TT can be meted out is : Force him to wear wicketkeepers gloves 24x7.]]

That would be brutal punishment for the women TT would assault in future.

Ganwaar
Ganwaarpur, India
62/D-69
Mar 31, 2014
11:06 AM

Predictably, Congressi proxies like AAP are also sympathetic towards Mr. Prufrock

RSM
Delhi, India