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How will the Ishrat case charges affect Modi’s national ambitions? Is it to be the ‘grand conspiracy’ game again?


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1/D-77
Jul 06, 2013
01:14 PM

The increasing political scams and allegations of involvement in killings and sexual abuses by politicians are continued to be the ‘breaking news’ for print as well as television news channels in India.  In Kerala, the prime-time news is nothing but the ongoing solar-scam issue that is seriously questioning the integrity of the ruling Congress-led United Democratic Front (UDF) government.  The disputed fake encounter that led to the killing of Ishrat Jahan is shattering opposition camps in Delhi.

It is extremely sad that the new generation seriously lacks role models in political parties. The myriad corruption cases and the allegations against prominent leaders from most of the frontline political parties are simply disappointing for the new generation. There is absolutely nothing the Generation Y can learn from today’s political leadership.

I remember this quote from Napoleon Bonaparte — “a leader is a dealer in hope”. How far it is true in today’s perspective?

Ramachandran Nair
Ruwi, Oman
2/D-82
Jul 06, 2013
01:46 PM

Yes Mr Rama,

The problem is, we lack heros. We  find know one who can inspire, whom our kids  can emulate .We dont  have priorities, we as Indians can identify the real from fake. If Salman Khan and Sanjay Dutt can be our Heros, then as a nation, are we heading in the right direction. ??   Mass media  too have an important role. Not Just TRPs.

venkat
Erode, India
3/D-71
Jul 07, 2013
12:34 PM

The problem with Saba ( and modern day journalists in general ), is that the media is ONLY concerned about this encounter because its victim was a feminist and young too.

This fake concern about 'human rights' reserved only for victims of a particular description, is glaring, is despicable, and too hard to ignore.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
4/D-77
Jul 07, 2013
12:47 PM

The Ishrat story probably will not damage Modi politically. The only way it could have an impact is through the judicial process. Eventually it may all depend upon the nature of the evidence and how strong are our prosecutorial and court systems.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
5/D-99
Jul 07, 2013
03:46 PM

Dead people can indeed tell a story .....and the ones living will weave fiction around it.

Navien K Batta
muscat, Oman
6/D-68
Jul 08, 2013
12:20 PM

Fake encounters are an indelible blot on the civilized governence hence cannot be justified whether the victim is an alleged "innocent" girl of 19 years or an established hardened criminal aged 49 years. However, in the Ishrat Jahan case, the matter needs to be examined by the court of law, considering its conspiracy and execution, and the guilty must be punished. And till such time nobody repeat nobody, be it the victim or the alleged politicians for their complicity in the crime, should either be doubted as innocent or suspicious or guilty by spokespersons of the various political parties and the media durbar. The practice of staging fake encounters by the law-enforcing agencies in every state need to be dispensed with and investigated without selectively portraying Gujarat as the only offending and rogue state.  

Pramod Srivastava
New Delhi, India
7/D-108
Jul 08, 2013
03:57 PM

What is the motive? Why would Modi or Shah want to kill one girl? What about the other three persons killed - whats their background? Also isnt the IB a part of the Home Ministry, so isnt the UPA Home Minister and Prime Minister also responsible? Lot of unanswered questions, and too many quick judgements!

Rajesh Chary
Mumbai, India
8/D-123
Jul 08, 2013
05:49 PM

 "The Ishrat story probably will not damage Modi politically."

I thought Indians were opposed to fake encounters.

Rakhal Chandra Ghosh
Tomball, United States
9/D-52
Jul 09, 2013
08:53 AM

Rajesh Chary

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Let the supplementary chargesheet (s) be filed .The motive and the other details will become clear.This was not the only fake encounter under Modi's watch and media will soon focus on the other cases also.

Regd. IB - you can alway have one member of the herd who goes ' Roogue ' .Shouldn't be allowed to damage the the herd ?

Deepak
Delhi, India
10/D-55
Jul 09, 2013
09:02 AM

R.C. Ghosh

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Re : Ishrat Jahan case

 1.Indians are against False Encounters

2. Do you want Modi to be hurt politically ?

Deepak
Delhi, India
11/D-57
Jul 09, 2013
09:11 AM

The standard phony moral BS from congress lackie. Ishrat case is not going anywhere Saba.

Maha
NJ, United States
12/D-66
Jul 10, 2013
02:28 PM

How Modi undoes the political math :: Pranab Dhal Samanta : Wed Jul 10 2013, 05:59 hrs

His mere presence has sent parties scrambling away from the middle ground, rushing to occupy the 'secular' space. Could the BJP turn this to its advantage? ""

www.indianexpress.com/news/how-modi-undoes-the-political-math/1139738/0

Modi's best chance will be 2017 after Jihad Inc rolls in India once West-UNO withdraws from Af-Pak front.It is then India will fac ethe full burnt of concentrated Jihadi Force fighting to Islamize kaffir India as they openly say .

Present Political dispensation is fighting now minor Islamic Terror incidents with tied hands so as not to displease Vote Banks will not be able to stand up to to united the Jehad Tsunami .

Then Indians will wake up .Till then discredited Psecus can have a free hand .

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
13/D-75
Jul 10, 2013
04:08 PM

How Modi undoes the political math :: Pranab Dhal Samanta

Very interesting article posted by AKG. As I have said before, politics is 90% perception and 10% reality. The Con-gress is clearly losing this battle, definitely amongst the educated and possibly amongst those whose voice is seldom heard. This the driving force to desperately tar Modi with something or the other.

If Ishrat Jahan and her associates were already in police custody and were then taken out and shot as alleged, this is MURDER plain and simple. Whether Ishrat was a terrorist or not is irrelevant.

Why then is there this drive to have Ishrat declared an innocent. The campaign has extended to the CBI being used to discredit the IB, the Gujarat HC ordering the CBI to stick to their case and the Home Ministry changing its stance. Because we are back to the battle of perceptions. If the general perception is that Ishrat was a terrorist, then the campaign to link Modi to her killing will be a total disaster for the Con-gress. As of now it seems highly unlikely that Modi will face any adverse judicial verdict. Even if people believe the media leaks and stories of safed dhadi and kala dhadi, if as is probably the case, people also believe that Ishrat was a terrorist, Modi would have won hands down. Very few people will feel any personal linkage with Ishrat, other than maybe some co-religionists who may view her killing as an attack on their religion. However, many many more have been affected and/or live in fear of terror attacks. This vast group of people would think if not say (for fear of being politically correct) "Good riddance" and Modi enhances his reputation as a leader ready to DO SOMETHING about terror attacks instead of wringing his hands and mouthing platitudes about "bringing the perpetrators to justice".

The Con-gress in this instance is running a better PR campaign (gratis) than anything Apco could have dreamed about.

PS. I hope the BJP has, off the record, thanked Pigvijay Singh for his tweet trying to suggest the Bodh Gaya blasts were a result of Modi's talk to his troops. He couldn't have done a better job of exposing the Con-gress anti-Modi campaign to ridicule if he had been paid.

PPS Another interesting blog in TOI about how the CBI v IB spat is damaging both organisations. But who cares about collateral damage as long as Lord Voldemort does not benefit.

An unfortunate fight - Rajesh Kalra

...The ungainly spat between the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) over Ishrat Jahan case is unfortunate, to say the least. Depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on, chances are that by now you too believe the line taken by one of them.

Sadly, despite the huge furore over the way the two bodies have been misused, eroding their credibility, the ruling dispensation, bent upon scoring petty points, refuses to see reason and continues to fan the differences even as the home ministry and the Prime Minister's Office make cursory noises while displaying mock displeasure at the spat....

... If the Election Commission shows teeth, discredit it. If the CAG differs from your perception, allude motives to its chief. If you don’t like the findings of a body like Central Forensic Lab, confuse the issue by getting the same tested at another lab and make a reputed and respected body look like a bunch of jokers. Even if the courts take on the crooks, accuse courts of over reach...

...The way the govt has made two of its premier intelligence and investigative agencies go at each other shows the pathetic levels we can fall to. The two agencies, which should work in a coordinated manner to be effective are actually busy taking each other on even as those who need to be targeted are smiling and enjoying the spectacle and perhaps even chuckling at our ‘leaders’ ability to undermine national interest.

We can understand that politicians do anything to remain in power, especially now when the commercial gains to be had from remaining in power are so huge, but I am also sure at one level there is a thing called conscience too. Don’t they have any?

Bonita
Chennai, India
14/D-128
Jul 10, 2013
10:38 PM

When is this intellectual giant going to look at the epidemic of fake encounters in Mulayam Maya Pradesh?

Or is that against the basic tenets of phoney secularism that this closet jihadi espouses?

Pradip Singh
STAFFORD, United Kingdom
15/D-12
Jul 11, 2013
03:14 AM

I expected any journalistic debate here should have been focused on:

(a) Even if it is widely followed across India, does extra judicial killing has a place in any civilized society? and

(b) Did the cops murder an innocent or did they have evidence to link Ishrat with terrorism before killing her? Answer to (b) does not diminish the criminality of encounter killling, but would have thrown more light on the rationality of encounter killing..

Instead the spinmasters in media and elsewhere are working overtime to shift the focus of the discussion from extra judicial killing to Narendra Modi citing Gujarat Police's involvement and the Muslim identity of the victim.  This kind of expansive logic may be ridiculously stretched too far, but one can notice the desperation of the political opponents to Modi. Did anybody point out that two central government agencies even differ on the same issue Shouldn't this question the integrity of the process of criminal investigations in general in India?

Saba Naqvi should have received a Rajyasabha membership under UPA-II because of her politically biased journalism. Well tried, keep it up maa'm.

DC
NEW YORK, United States
16/D-16
Jul 11, 2013
06:42 AM

DC,

>> working overtime to shift the focus of the discussion from extra judicial killing to Narendra Modi citing Gujarat Police's involvement and the Muslim identity of the victim.

Equally the parivaris are working overtime to shift focus of discussion from extra-judicial killing to Ishrat's alleged link to LeT or her travelling with a man she was not married to!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
17/D-81
Jul 11, 2013
03:12 PM

D.C - New York

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The issues raised by you  for a jounalistic debate are fair and this is where the investigation rests at present :

- Extra Judicial killings shoud have no place in Indian society.

- Gujarat police has no evidence that Ishrat was linked to any terror group and investigations have proved that she was killed in a fake encounter. The killing took place under the watch of Narendra Modi , who was also holding the portfolio of Home Deptt. and the cops reported to him.Some officers have claimed they had the approval of Modi and Amit Shah.

- There is no  difference between the two agencies although Jaitley and some BJP spinsters have tried to create an issue. A contempt petition has already been filed against Jaitley.The investigation has revealed the possible involvement of a ' rogue' IB officer in the encounter , which is under furthe investigation.

Deepak
Delhi, India
18/D-62
Jul 12, 2013
11:24 AM

Story is similar to PM was aware of 2G and Coal Allocation but still he is not held resposnsible, even meeting minutes where also available for many of such meeting but is still not admissibale as evidence in court but same hearsay story on encounter is evidence for secu's in case of Modi and Shah.

Double standard exposed!!!!

Jaykumar
Ahmedabad, India
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