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Peace is based on the concept of justice, and for most part in India, influential persons responsible for communal violence are never brought to justice.


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1/D-12
May 10, 2013
03:49 AM

The failure of the Indian judiciary ( and it is not just in communal violence alone ), is at the heart of the rot in the Indian democracy.

Misogynist
Chennai, India
2/D-15
May 10, 2013
06:29 AM

 Doesn't it alarm anyone that a person next to you in a theatre, on a bus, in a fair, on a footpath, in a shop may actually be a killer......What kind of society tolerates, time and again, such monstrous blood shed of innocents and moves on pretending it never happened and then most hypocritically, lectures others on the virtues of peace and love. Violence is very much a part of life of Indian society but such an honest opinion would be hard to admit for most.

tejinder
st louis, United States
3/D-16
May 10, 2013
06:59 AM

 ..no political or religious body working on the massacres of 1984 has even tried to bring out the collective responsibility of the ruling party and the government of the time. A few individuals or workers of the congress party have been brought to trial after a long period but as the recent Sajjan Kumar judgment shows, no convictions have resulted. A few minor functionaries have been found guilty but no attempts have been made to frame the question in terms of the primary responsibility the Rajiv Gandhi government, which was to safeguard the life and dignity of its people irrespective of religion or affiliation.

The efforts Civil Society has made to hold Modi accountable must reach back in time to Rajiv Gandhi  www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/apply-lessons-of-2002-to-1984

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
4/D-17
May 10, 2013
07:33 AM

Excellent article. Our police departments ( including the so called SIT's), prosecuting attorneys and trial courts do not have any deep-felt concept of justice or professionalism, nor do they know what due diligence means.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
5/D-25
May 10, 2013
09:08 AM

The article loses credibility when it mentions Sajjan Kumar, Tytler and Modi in the same sentence. Despite relentless and motivated propaganda against Modi and an unprecedented SC monitored SIT investigation against him, nothing has been found. So if our commentators still want Modi to be held guilty, then they are not interested in the truth or justice, they are just looking for one man's head.

RSM
Delhi, India
6/D-35
May 10, 2013
11:03 AM

 Despite the whitewash done in gujrat by the SIT, it would be a good idea to constitute a SIT to look into all them major riots, as suggested by Badal.

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
7/D-36
May 10, 2013
11:08 AM

SIT's alleged whitewash got large number of people convicted including people who were supposed to be powerful. But secular frauds have only one yardstick for measuring whitewash - if Modi not hanged, it is whitewash!

RSM
Delhi, India
8/D-56
May 10, 2013
01:24 PM

During the decade of 1980s, India saw a resurgence of communal and right wing forces, and witnessed several “riots” against the minorities.

this is half the story. If you can't tell a truthful story, then riots will happen.

Many riots in India are triggered by the community leaders belonging to minority communities, hoping to precipitate a crisis. In the Indian scenario, with lack of all around oppportunity, its not hard to do.

Its fine as long as the role of these commnunity leaders is investigated as well. What about the leader of a certain Mosque in Delhi?

otherwise this is a bogus narrative. This is not like the deep south in the USA.

MK Saini
Delhi, India
9/D-32
May 11, 2013
08:14 AM

Surprised  that targeted assassinations, mass killings , rape ; loot; forced migration  of 500,000 people and Islamofascist Pogram by Muslims against Hindu's of Kashmir does not find any mention by a lawyer,who is "with the Centre for Equity Studies working on issues of mass crimes and accountability". Oh , I forget this is a lawyer; who will only speak the truth which bolsters their case and it is rather difficult to blame Modi for that!

Ashutosh kaul
toronto, Canada
10/D-50
May 11, 2013
11:41 AM

 #8

>>What about the leader of a certain Mosque in Delhi?

so one decrepit dude in old mosque can paralyze the entire nation, Amazing!

>>This is not like the deep south in the USA.

Of Course, you have to account for huge population difference and 50-year lag.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282668

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign

hitesh brahmbhatt
san diego, United States
11/D-81
May 11, 2013
03:00 PM

Esteemed Madam, What about the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pundits in the Valley? Who is responsible? And remember the Gujarat riots started with the burning of 59 Hindus by Muslims. Who asked the Muslims to do that dastardly act and invite retaliation? Being from Hyderabad I can tell you that in most communal riots the first blow is invariably stuck by Muslims and later on when retaliation happens they scream about "communalism" And if really Muslims do not like it in India they are welcome to go to Pakistan where fifty Muslims are butchered on a daily basis. After all was it not Indian Muslims who fought for Pakistan? Then why not go there instead of staying back in India - is it not a case of having the cake and eating it too. Let us face it Muslims are hated in every non muslim country in the world no exceptions. And most importantly Indian Muslims are tremendously lucky to be in India if they don't believe me ask them to just try Karachi or other cities of  Pakistan for a week

Dr.G.N.Seetharam
Melbourne, Australia
12/D-93
May 11, 2013
05:55 PM

 Peace isn't about justice, if I might not agree, but about peace itself. Justice is a concept, where people must not be judgemental, because no one judges anyone, after they are dead. Ideally, no one should condone or accuse either one party, or the other, after any judgment, in court.

Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
13/D-128
May 11, 2013
11:21 PM

>>>Couple of weeks back rudy singh of bihar parivar said in smug mood that they have been able to achieve their objective from their coalition rule in bihar, mainly connecting with the likeminded people in bureaucracy. I am sure he meant people like the one mention below! People believe that parivar is usually benign when ruling via coalition, well its not true. They brainwash the bureaucracy and subvert the education.

 "The three member Commission of Inquiry that was formed by the then Bihar government to investigate the Bhagalpur riots indicted the then SP of Bhagalpur, K.S. Dwivedi. This official Commission didn’t mince any words and its conclusion was unambiguous. “We would hold Dwivedi, the then superintendent of police, Bhagalpur, wholly responsible for whatever happened before 24 October 1989, on 24th itself and [after the] 24th. His communal bias was fully demonstrated not only by his manner of arresting the Muslims and by not extending them adequate help to protect them,” the report submitted by the Commission of Inquiry said. Yet, Dwivedi has faced no punishment for his actions and remains above the law. Not only has he been recently promoted to the rank of Additional Director General of Police in Bihar but also received the President’s medal for distinguished services in August 2012. What sense of justice would the survivors of communal riots perceive? And more importantly, the impunity enjoyed by Dwivedi comes as a dangerous message to his younger colleagues in the law enforcement agencies."

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
14/D-42
May 12, 2013
02:36 PM

 To 11/D-81 : The reason why the Muslims do not think about the vote bank, is because they have a certain Muslim Civil Code. Apparently, our political thinkers, felt that the Muslim community must represent itself in a manner they want to. The Congress cannot say, that they represent the Muslim community, if the B. J. P., cannot according to certain people, not in the B. J. P., and perhaps in the party, also. Perhaps, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi was asked about the Shah Bano case, before the case came to court, because of a certain section of the Muslim interest. Then it was contested, among the Muslim's in court. Now, if people not in the Muslim community, have issues with people not being as privileged as the Muslim, then they must ask the govt., as to why this is not so. One cannot say, that the Muslim is advantaged in Indian society. The Indian  Hindu can have a joint family according to the Hindu civil practice, and can have laws pertaining to the circumstance.

Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
15/D-22
May 15, 2013
08:06 AM

 An interesting idea. How many people in India, see themselves as any leader? Then, how many people see themselves as political leaders? The political representation, today, aren't representative of the people at all, it might seem. During the Cultural Revolution, Mao, concerned about anarchy, made mobs created by the revolution, stone their leaders, humiliate them, and then kill them. The people in India, aren't anarchic, and they don't see the Lok Sabha members as how they see themselves. In simple terms, people who contest elections, aggressively, vociferously, and vigorously, aren't representative of Indian people.

 It seems, that after the Cultural Revolution, Mao had the leadership he wanted, but even the reasoned idea, that, 'It is good to be rich', because of the Cultural Revolution, made the Chinese leadership so insecure, that it appears the world and her economic preblems, stem from China. If China is the greatest economic power, in terms of production, then it is bizzare, that people don't mention China as not being part of the economic dire straits of the globe.

Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
16/D-63
May 15, 2013
12:30 PM

You of course would like to see all those murderers and rapists walk free! " Faruki

No sir never in my life I will wish above to happen-my boss !
All the Gujarat Leaders who took part in riots are under scrutiny of Courts .

Your and whole of the other Political Parties nocturnal and psychopathic fantasy to entangle Modi in some case has not succeeded because fantasies have no roots.
Politicians fear Modi as he is capable of destroying citadels of bogus Secularism which is keeping Muslims as permanent Vote Banks showing Haoova of Modi .

This enables them to loot the Country till eternity and keep Hindu Muslims in permanent confrontations.

Then there are double Thap dholchi Rudali brigade who go on beating drums of Hindutava Ayo re Aoye re mereay Dholna ! Hidutava ayo re ayo re mere dholna !!
That is the most valuable and usual support you people are giving to corrupt so called Secular Politicians.

These Secular Poliiticians are ruling not because Muslims are Seculars but because Hindus are Seculars .And due committed Votes of Muslims and a lot of Hindus the corrupt Secular Politiicans are ruling.

But the joint efforts of Rudalies and corrupt Politiicans is making majority of the Indian Electrolate aware of the fraud you people are commiting on our Country.
Electorate is becoming wiser day by and desrting you.

If you are so honest and speak truth then why you people specialy Muslim Leaders and Jamaits are nor questioning the Congress and other Seculkar rulers under whose Raj nearly a lac of minority perished and you are so shameless and cowards that never questioned those Sarkars .

If Modi Sarkar is the Sarkar of Murderers when in 2002 deaths nearly 500 to 700 Muslims killed by the Hindu rioters and Police Killed 250 Hindu rioters .In rest of the Riots under your Sarkars nearly one eac Muslims and other Minorities perished in riots but your Govts could not kill a single Hindu Rioter !

The above figures don't include the killings of 20,0000 Sikhs in 1984 Genocide and the Hyderabad killings of Muslims in 1984 -refer Sawami Nathan Aklesvaria.

Why you cowards feel tongue tied ,petrified and stupefied to question the Rulers in rest of the above Riots ???? What stops you to take up those killings ?? That shows your true character !

That also shows you are not just biased but also have sold your souls !
Just Cowards -Cowards and enemies of the Muslims .

And our media has not also fared better .

Under the above conditions it is impossible Secularism will come in India .

The major responsibility rests with you people and Media.
If Hard Liner Hindutava is rearing its Head the reason are you Secus  and Media.

And to MR Warisha Farasat ::

You just clubberd Modi with Sajjan,Tyteler,Diwidi WHY HABV EYOU LEFT OUT RAJIV GANDHI,LALU,MADMA GANDHI FOR MALIANA ,MEERUT ,GUJU CMs FOR RIOTS OTHER THAN 2002 & hundreds more Secu Rulers. ???

Can you answere Sir if the ommissions are delibrate or therwise ? Why no Seculr Ruler is held responsible and you named the Captains of Killing Squads in the Streets not the Generals ??

This proves Media too is biased and is not even handed .

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
17/D-64
May 15, 2013
12:52 PM

Ghai,

As I have told you many times before, I do not agree with your analysis. But it is a good try.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
18/D-40
May 16, 2013
09:08 AM

 Were the people who caused the ethnic cleansing of Kashmir pandits in Kashmir valley, in 1989-1990 period brought to justice?

Warisha Farasat, Try answering that .

Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
19/D-99
May 16, 2013
06:50 PM

 Muslims are dispenasble in India as far as RSS is concerned.RSS wants to prove that Jinnah was right in asking for Pakistan but still majority of Hidnus are not for this atrocity.But RSS acts only when the police and intelligence connive with it as it is happening all over India.Congress plays its game of allowing this atrocity to continue so that the minorites will be at their mercy.One important fact that need to be stated that Hindus are as violent as Muslims if not more.In fact in all riots agreat majority of people die have been Muslims to this day.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
20/D-100
May 16, 2013
07:02 PM

 Ramki_uncensored need to aply his mind.Here is a state that was under emergency and a big insurgency was going on.Still the Pandits were not targeted but RSS under Jagmoahn created the rift.In anycase Muslims in Kashmir have been punished many time over and are still being punished.Innumerable lives havbe been lost and property destroyed.There is repression all over.So your contention does not stand scutiny.

India is supposed to be having a constitution giving equal rights to its citizens and a democracy.In normal peacful times if these atrocities are being enacted with the connivance of police and intelligence then who is to be blamed?

RSS is a poison that has spread the country and all right thinking citizens must annihilate it.

Nasar Ahmed
Karikkudi, India
21/D-56
May 17, 2013
03:03 PM

20/D-100 Nasar Ahmed

Here is a state that was under emergency and a big insurgency was going on.Still the Pandits were not targeted but RSS under Jagmoahn created the rift.In anycase

here we descend into convoluted nonsense. why would RSS seek to drive out Kashmiri pandits. If that was their policy what did it achieve? Nothing.  How can such a organisation with such allegedly stupid policies be so dangerous??

It was Pakistani ISI policy to drive out Hindus. Once all Hindus were drived out from the state, it would be "pure" and easier to separate. In the 1980s, a similar strategy was applied in the Punjab. Buses were stopped and the passengers were separated into Hindus and Sikhs. The Hindus were shot dead.

these strategies failed becasue the Indian state has greater resilience, becasue Hindus don't think about such things.

And still India tries to have good relations with this country.  But Nasir please don't try to show your own idiocy. 

MK Saini
Delhi, India
22/D-62
May 17, 2013
04:32 PM

Still the Pandits were not targeted but RSS under Jagmoahn created the rift.In anycase " Nassar Ahemad

You means that RSS took over Mosques and started broad casing warnings to Pundits that Pundits either Convert or leave Kashmir leaving behind your wives and daughters.

This is just an very recent History and you have already polluted it with Jehadi version.

We can understand your Jehadi version of 1947 ,2002 and Mughal History .

You Guru Faruki teaches us History not Aurangzeb but the Hindus destroyed the Kashi Wishwa Nath Mandir as some Pujaries raped a queen and Aurangzeb gave the money to build the Temple.

Are you from  Jurassic Age ??

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
23/D-27
May 18, 2013
08:19 AM

 Nasar Ahmed >> Ramki_uncensored need to aply his mind.Here is a state that was under emergency and a big insurgency was going on.Still the Pandits were not targeted but RSS under Jagmoahn created the rift.

Ah here comes the genius. Half a million pandits left Valley (which was their home for millenia),just because one governor (who has long lef that post) and RSS hatched a rift... And still they refuse to return.

What an outstanding finding.. (BTW RSS has ZERO presence in valley !!)

So what next? How about this - Hitler did not intend to kill jews - he instructed his army to kill jealous people, but his army folks misunderstood the word "jealous" and took it as "jews"

More such gems can be expected from Nasar Ahmed..

Ramki_Uncensored
Delhi, India
24/D-52
May 18, 2013
12:03 PM

It would be a good idea to build mass killing museums on the lines of Holocaust museums, where the pictures and data of the people killed in these may be presented.

Such museums would act as deterrent against mass killings in the future.

kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
25/D-55
May 18, 2013
12:36 PM

#24 KishoreDasMunshi,

Amuseum of resistance was proposed to be set up in Gulberg Society in Ahmedabad and was given up because of spiralling real estate. However, I do not see why one cannot set up such a museum on line. In our own way, we can start collecting and arranging materials. 

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
26/D-60
May 18, 2013
01:06 PM

. In our own way, we can start collecting and arranging materials. ' Bi Saroja

Teesta & group have already plundered enough .
Gulbarga Society people please be- aware here comes the Second Group !

ashok kumar ghai
Mumbai, India
27/D-66
May 18, 2013
01:40 PM

 This stupid charge you are repeating umpteenth time. This was repeated by Fedup Indian too. Read the full post and the links provided therein to get the full picture.

hope-and-hope.blogspot.in/2013/03/the-case-against-teesta-setalvad-museum.html

R. Saroja
Bombay, India
28/D-76
May 18, 2013
02:37 PM

It would be a good idea to build mass killing museums on the lines of Holocaust museums, where the pictures and data of the people killed in these may be presented.

Silly idea. the politics behind such museum building would cause a riot in iteself

Museums are only built by the victors

MK Saini
Delhi, India
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