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Lest anger blinds us, it’s Pakistandom, not Pakistanis, who are our enemy


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Feb 11, 2013
Don’t Lose Your Own Head, Mr Hawk

Vinod Mehta’s piece When Doves Fly Low finally constituted something sensible from him. Hope similar wisdom dawns on other Wagah border mombattiwallahs.

Rakesh Mehra, New Delhi

Mr Mehta’s experience of the aam aadmi in Pakistan must be different given that he is a prominent journalist from New Delhi. You need to meet Pakistanis as aam aadmi elsewhere and then judge their reactions. The years of brainwashing by jehadi elements cannot evaporate overnight. India has done little in this regard, and I have little hope from the present leadership.

Surjit Kohli, Gurgaon

An arcane and abstruse concept of quantum physics, the Heisenberg principle of uncertainty, can perhaps explain Mr Mehta’s riddle of whether it is television coverage that creates public frenzy, or the other way round. Stated in simple, non-mathematical terms, it postulates that the very act of observing a phenomenon changes its nature and course. Likewise, any action being captured on a TV camera gets influenced and exaggerated precisely because the protagonists are conscious of their being on camera. This behavioural factor has been exacerbated by the electronic media in the recent cases of the gangrape in Delhi or the beheading of our soldiers at the LoC, wherein several TV anchors and reporters have recklessly incited their subjects by asking them provocatively leading questions. All of which naturally disproves Mr Mehta’s conclusion that public outrage precedes media hysteria.

Ramesh Ramachandra, Bangalore

The Pallava king, Mahendra Pallava, sensing a spirit of defeatism in his people, built numerous Bharata mandapas, where the Mahabharata was read daily. So, when the war came with Chalukya Pulikesi, his people rose to the occasion. Perhaps we in India need to revisit the project, especially the story Kunti narrated about Vithula and her son.

Rakhal Ghosh, Philadelphia

Pakistan’s strategic assets in India are all once again coming out of the woodwork!

Ravi Patel, Baroda

I have several friends who happen to be from Pakistan. And let me tell you, what we call the “establishment” of Pakistan is nothing but the ‘aam aadmi’ of Pakistan. And because we ignore this fact we have to act surprised each time they give us a bloody nose. A co-worker of mine has an older brother working in the ISI, another friend has a dad still serving in the army. These are not different entities but one which know India to be their existential enemy. They are right. With similarities in language, culture, history, and even weaknesses, India as the bigger, more successful and original inheritor of everything common exerts a massive influence on their polity and their mind—just by being there. Pakistan has not been able to handle this well, and only by its aggressive, proactive and virulently anti-India stand been able to hold on to their ‘Pakistaniat’. India would do well to wear velvet gloves but only if she can have an iron fist inside them. Above all, it should never make the fatal mistake of thinking that their establishment is some kind of strange monster come from outer space. It’s not.

Ashutosh Kaul, Toronto

Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-28
Jan 19, 2013
01:14 PM

 VM sir, as a reader I can understand your mental agoney.
When you say that "aam admi' of pakistan is our friend you are
100% realist. As a proffessional journalist keep away from sinners
and strive for what heart says. Indians too love peace.

V.N.K.Murti
pattambi, India
2/D-32
Jan 19, 2013
01:30 PM

DEAR SIR, THE "AAM ADMI" OF PAKISTAN IS NOT A LOVER OF INDIA. ACCORDING TO PEW GLOBAL STUDIES SURVEYS MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF PAKISTANIS (AAM ADMI) THINK THAT INDIA IS THE GREATEST EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO PAKISTAN. IN ADDITION, THE KORAN IS VERY CLEAR THAT "IDOLATERS" ARE NOT TO BE TOLERATED BY MUSLIMS AND IN FACT THEY SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH AS SOON AS THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE. IN VIEW OF THIS I THINK THAT VINOD MEHTA  IS DELUDED THAT THE SO CALLED "AAM ADMI" IN PAKISTAN  IS A INDIA LOVER. IF ANYTHING, HE HATES INDIA MORE THAT THE PAKISTANI ESTABLISHMENT.

Dr.G.N.Seetharam
Melbourne, Australia
3/D-36
Jan 19, 2013
01:54 PM

“There are 3 Degrees of Indian Revenge after such acts from across the border – 1. Abolition of VISAs, 2. No POK Talks, and 3. Suspension of CRICKET TIES – and unfortunately the THIRD ONE, unfortunately though, we cannot live without and hence live with the excesses of Pakistan.

Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
4/D-41
Jan 19, 2013
02:28 PM

Glad...people like Vinod Mehta are dawned with Wisdom! better late than never!!

madhukar
hyd, India
5/D-50
Jan 19, 2013
04:21 PM

Hindus believe history repeats itself in endless cycles and this article is part of the Indo-Pak cycle.

1. Some Pakistani fellow comes on desi TV waxing nostalgically about shared cultural ties, and about how back in 1940, he had murg musallam for lunch in Lahore, and lamb kebabs for dinner in Amritsar before going to sleep in his nawabi home in Delhi (they are all descended from nawabs).

2. The aman ki asha types are overjoyed and declare that all sides are to blame for the current situation, and instead of recriminations about the past, we must look to the shared future etc. As a gesture of goodwill, Siachen must be turned over to Pakistan and visa-free travel for jehadis must be instituted promptly because when jehadis see India is a loving country, they will forget 60 years of Islamic indoctrination from their mullahs about killing kaffirs and rejoice in the aman.

3. The Pakistanis take Siachen and send in 10000 jehadis. Mass murder and mayhem ensues in 5 Indian cities.

4. The government issues "stern warnings" to Pakistan. Finally, 2000 Indian soldiers are killed taking back Siachen.

4. The aman ki asha types declare their disappointment and Vinod Mehta rubs Amrutanjan on his ass while writing an article about how he will never ever be fooled again by the Pakistanis.

5. One year goes by.

6. Go to 1.

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Fedup Indian
Hyderabad, India
6/D-56
Jan 19, 2013
04:51 PM

 Pakistan is pamper child of U.S.wIith help of American add Pakistan merrymaking.This America is   doing for selfish purpose when intention of U.S,. fulfilled it abondened it.Is Pakistan is nation?It is artifishal nation  based on hate of India?How can Mohmed Ghory and Gazani were forfathers of Pakistan?All religious rituals are Hindustani how can Pakistan deny the heritage Mondajro and Haddappa civilization are not their?If Pakistan call Islamic democercy why then they killed shia Muslims?Really speaking Pakistan not a state it is alignment of hated Muslims,constantly hating to India kept them togather when Pakistan stopped hated to India at that moment Pakistan will collapse

Ramesh Raghuvanshi
Pune, India
7/D-59
Jan 19, 2013
04:58 PM

 Balanced, realistic write-up from the maestro...

Bhagat Singh
Bangalore, India
8/D-61
Jan 19, 2013
05:31 PM

 Difficult to figure out how big brother has mistreated little brother. India did not create the schism between west and east Pakistan, although, burdened with ten million refugees, it may helped foster a swifter denouement. On Kashmir, the two sides have different stated positions that can be seriously addressed only when smaller issues have been resolved and some semblance of mutual trust has been created.

ashok lal
mumbai, India
9/D-68
Jan 19, 2013
05:47 PM

"They craftily exploit the guilt many peaceniks suffer from—of “Big Brother” having historically mistreated “Little Brother”." Vinod Mehta

Hafeez Saeed tells his thugs that they need to wag jihad so that they can "subjugate Hindus" the same way that their ancestors did for 1000 years. Nothing there about little brother being mistreated by big brother.

Only Hindus are stupid enough to feel guilty in front of people who think they need to enslave us kaffirs like their ancestors did to our ancestors for 1000 years.

When I was a kid, I once read an article by Swami Aghehananda Bharathi, an Austrian Jew who converted to Hinduism and had a great affection for India and Indians, in which he said that in his opinion, most Hindus were a little mad. Since he obviously had a lot of affection for Hindus and was one himself, I could not dismiss him as a racist or a crank, so I wondered what he meant.

At this point in my life, I know exactly what he means.

Fedup Indian
Hyderabad, India
10/D-76
Jan 19, 2013
06:53 PM

 I am the original starry-eyed, much-lampooned candle-lighter of Wagah. I yield to no one in my passion for India-Pakistan friendship. I consider myself to be a card-carrying dove. Over the years, however, my trust in the Pakistani establishment—the army, the bureaucracy, most of the politicians, retired generals, among others, as opposed to the common man on the streets of Lahore and elsewhere—has diminished considerably. They craftily exploit the guilt many peaceniks suffer from—of “Big Brother”'''

V Mehta sahib

Hurray one more but valuable addition to Pak bashers .

Had you said above long back then at least you would have saved yourself from lot of brick bats from the Readers.

Any way never late to mend .

ASHOK KUMAR GHAI
Mumbai, India
11/D-86
Jan 19, 2013
08:03 PM

 Pakistan's strategic assets in Indian are all once again

coming out of the woodworks!

Ravi Patel
Vadodara, India
12/D-96
Jan 19, 2013
09:16 PM

Pakistan is not half as dangerous and inimical as our own Akbaruddin Owisis and other innumearable Islamists in our country whom Sonia Gandhi imperiously calls as secularists.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
13/D-100
Jan 19, 2013
09:46 PM

So you are in a catch 22 situation and I may add your assumption of aam aadmi of Pakistan is your friend is not realistic. Do not look from the point of your personal experience which you may have of visiting Lahore or Islamabad as a prominent journalist from Delhi and given the red carpet treatment or lighting a lamp at Wagha border. You need to meet Pakistanis as aam admi elsewhere and draw them into the conversation and see their faces and observe beyond what is on their mind. It is completely illogical to expect that they have not changed after over six decades of brain washing. Having said that bringing around an average Pakistani to understand the naked truth and to behave in a natural way as a good neighbour is a mammoth task for India to which we have failed miserably in the past and I cannot expect our present leadership, as a whole and in the near future is up to the task. But sabre rattling will never solve the problem.

Surjit Kohli
Gurgaon, India
14/D-101
Jan 19, 2013
09:56 PM

nice blog, good to see some honest speaking here.

abhi
Pune, India
15/D-108
Jan 19, 2013
10:55 PM

 Finally, one article from Vinod Mehta that makes sense.  I hope similar wisdom dawns on other Wagah border mombattiwalahs.

raksh mehra
new delhi, India
16/D-14
Jan 20, 2013
02:40 AM

If its pakistandom and not pakistais are the problem;

Whay havent the pakistanis questioned the no progress of 2008 nov 26 mumbai attacks?

Why havent the pakistanis questioned what was David headley doing in pakistan?

Why havent the pakistani's questioned what was Abu Jundal doing in Pakistan, having married a pakistani woman and fathered a child?

How is it that zakiurehamn lakhvi while under arrest for mumbai attacks, has fathered a child after his arrest?

Why is pakistan not providing certified voice samples of lakhvi and Hafiz Saaed to india?

Forget the pakistanis not asking above questions, how come no indian "pakistanis" lover like mehta himself not asked these questions to pakistanis?

Rohit Bhalla
Delhi, India
17/D-17
Jan 20, 2013
03:22 AM

>> the army, the bureaucracy, most of the politicians, retired generals, among others, as opposed to the common man on the streets of Lahore and elsewhere—has diminished considerably

Means you are still a fool, though less foolish than earlier. Congratulations.

>> At present, I see myself as 50 per cent dove and 50 per cent realist as far as Pakistan is concerned

Good that you have been able to quantify your stupidity too. You are about 50% less stupid now than earlier.

>> When dialogue resumes we need to remember that the aam aadmi in Pakistan is our friend

I don't know on what basis do the idiot "doves" say this. You give a bad name to the doves, by implying they are as STUPID as you are.

Frankly, I have yet to see any evidence of the "aam-Paki" being our friend. The chicken and the egg situation you refer to is applicable here as well. The Paki establishment is not detached from the public opinion. Their democratically elected leaders, reflecting public opinion, have been as much war mongers as their army. These "doves" have systematically, and with absolutely no humanity or compassion, terrorized, raped and murdered almost the entire minority population, including many non-Sunnis.

When they can't be friends with their own neighbors belonging to a different belief, it's STUPID to expect them to be friends with India.

Till we have such moronic "doves" in any position to influence policy towards Pakis, they shall continue to bleed us, safe in their knowledge, that the Mehtas and the Anwaars and the Akhtars and the Nayyars, and other such sicko-jehadis shall ask for people-to-people contacts, and calling the Aam Paki their friend.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
18/D-18
Jan 20, 2013
03:27 AM

Vinod Mehta may have a better historical perspective than today's hawks in India and Pakistan seem to have.

articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-01-18/bangalore/36415024_1_mughal-era-white-mughals-hindu-muslim

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
19/D-48
Jan 20, 2013
10:08 AM

To separate pakistanis from pakistandom is a deep rooted hatred for India.Nothing less and nothing more

raghuvir
delhi, India
20/D-60
Jan 20, 2013
11:22 AM

All pakis are scumbags. They are dangerous snakes, not to be trusted.

A. Alagappan
Chennai, India
21/D-67
Jan 20, 2013
12:04 PM

Mr.Vinod Mehta, Sir,

When are you going to realise that friendship with Pakistan is impossible, UNLESS we hand over Jammu and Kashmir on a platter to them. As simple as that. Even a formalisation of the LOC as the official boundary is unlikely to pacify them.

Yet you say that even though you are thoroughly disillusioned with "Pakistandom", you still remain a 50 % dove. I understand that a "thousand years of Dhimmitude" (apologies to FedUp for using his memorable phrase) is not easily overcome. I do not know whether to congratulate you or commiserate with you.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
22/D-70
Jan 20, 2013
12:27 PM

 @ Anwaar (Post 18) : The link given by you refers to the opinion of William Dalrymple who avers that Mughal culture is a "superior" culture. He conveniently forgets that the pre-1707 Mughal culture was totally different from the post 1707 culture, during which Urdu, which was looked down upon by the elites, gained acceptance and respectability. 

Vinod Mehta has no historical perspective; he is influenced by the Lucknowi tehzeeb he was exposed to while growing up there. It is the tehzeeb of Wajid Ali Shah, the creator of the thumri "Babul Mora", the reviver of Kathak, the playwright who wrote "Radha Kanhaiyya ka Qissa", the Shia prince who enjoyed Krishna's ras leelas. He was a glorious exception. If only the Islamic period had produced more Dara Shikohs and more Wajid Ali Shahs.

Before the British arrived in India, the relationship  was that of ruler and subject, an inimical one. The British threat united the two antagonists but the unity was one of convenience and  not anything deeper. Otherwise a demand for Pakistan would not have been articulated just a few decades after the first war of Independence in 1857.

History is about what has happened in the past, not about what we wish it should have been.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
23/D-77
Jan 20, 2013
01:09 PM

"How then do we move forward?"

The answer dear VM lies is going back to "what you would do if you had a neigbhor like this next to you". I know what I would do, I would absolutely ignore them and ensure strong well protected fences (of course if we ran into a the neighbor at a third place, I would say a curt hello, a stiff handshake and move on - so for example at the UN I would do this and just ignore anything the neighbor says with sheer defeaning silence - not respond).

They must know that we cannot wish them away but we can absolutely ignore them and in parallel protect our borders (this is the capacity we ought to be building - the other is to build the capacity to hit the non state actors by covert means - this is very important).

Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
24/D-78
Jan 20, 2013
01:17 PM

D.L.Narayan,

There is truth in what Dalrymple says, and there is truth in what you say. History is not a science.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
25/D-87
Jan 20, 2013
02:27 PM

 Mr Vinod Mehta,

1. It is very very interesting that in your right up and emotional support of the "peacenik" approach to deal with pakistan, you simply refuse to acknowledge that the root cause of the conflict btw India and Pakistan is the Islamic theocracy of Pakistan and that destruction of the theocracy and conversion of Pakistan into a 100% GENUINE SECULAR REPUBLIC is the starting point of conflict resolution..

2. It is also interesting to note that your employer and boss, Shri Rajan Raheja,a multi billionaire with business interests from ceramic tiles to hotels, from batteries to plastic manufacturing will be the select set of elite who will benefit from liberal Indo -Pak trade ties. And it is interesting that you refuse to even put a disclaimer on same lines (as seen in First post) saying that there are possible conflict of interests in your stand..

Given this, this article once again proves that the magazine and its editorial does not want to do anything more than to be a paid media of the ruling establishment of delhi. Good luck to you.. we voters shall wait patiently till 2014 and give our response even as your next weekly edition shall be about the glories and the greatness of Shri Rahul Gandhi.

Ramki
Delhi, India
26/D-88
Jan 20, 2013
02:31 PM

 Anwaar >> Vinod Mehta may have a better historical perspective than today's hawks in India and Pakistan seem to have.

Dalrymple is a Biased, Feudal white historian whose obsession with feudalism and feudal elements in Indian history are known. His dislike and hatred for conservative hinduism is known and he openly welcomed the defeat of BJP/NDA and victory of CON party in 2009 LS Polls. Given this , he is the last person to be listened on these matters.

Ramki
Delhi, India
27/D-89
Jan 20, 2013
02:37 PM

 Ramesh Raghuvanshi >> All religious rituals are Hindustani how can Pakistan deny the heritage Mondajro and Haddappa civilization are not their?If Pakistan call Islamic democercy why then they killed shia Muslims?Really speaking Pakistan not a state it is alignment of hated Muslims,constantly hating to India kept them togather when Pakistan stopped hated to India at that moment Pakistan will collapse

Present day Islamic Iraq hosted the famous mesapotamian civilization, present day Iran hosted a millenia long zorastrian heritage and islamic republic of egypt was the birth place of pharos and pyramids whose culture stretched for 3000 plus years. Pre Islamic Indonesia hosted buddhist and hindu places of worship too.. So pakistan is not alone. 

But what is important is that islamic iran is not itching to destroy non islamic russia and islamic egypt has been largely at peace with christian greece or jewish israel. Indonesia treats its hindu minority in Bali at peace and does not plan terrorist attacks on neighbouring thailand or australia or phillipines. But islamic pakitsan is itching to destroy hindu india. Why?

Because, the mindset of pakistani feudal elite is that they want to get back to 17th century and be the mughal india where the feudal elite ruled the majority hindus ..

The mindset is continuing because unlike egypt, iran or turkey, pakistan has had never a genuine social cleansing and destruction of its feudal order.

Pakistan needs a massive social cleaning to destroy its feudal, islamic theocracy and replaced with modern republican values and once that gets done, the country will get to peace with India and focus on becoming a modern nation like turkey.

Till that time, it is futile to talk peace with pakistan, unless you are one of the few businessmen who find profits in the terrorist nation more appealing than the cruelties inflicted by the terrorist nation on India.

Ramki
Delhi, India
28/D-92
Jan 20, 2013
02:41 PM

People who are unable to understand the mindset of the Pakistan and its ruling elite should only try to understand the mindset of the MIM party and the cult they represent (Razakars)..

Pakistan's ruling order is the 21st century version of the razakars. The mindset is identical. The identity of Pakistan is not that of a normal islamic nation it is about a obsession with destroying hinduism in India.

Thus Pakistan is not about islam or faith in allah. Pakistan's islamic theocracy is just a mask to present its viscerial hatred for Hindu faith. Pakistan is thus not so much about loving islam it is about hating hinduism. Which is why pakistanis have treated ahmediyas and shias like shit. 

And this is the kind of nation we want to be at peace... to benefit some middlemen who want to peddle their cheap wares over there to make fast bucks. Pathetic !!

Ramki
Delhi, India
29/D-153
Jan 20, 2013
08:29 PM

Dalrymple - he is a joke, who wants to be considered a serious historian

i agree with Ramki, his bias (towards muslims and his subtle attempt to portray in not too good light) is evident in his OPINIONs/work.

Ajay
Troy, usa
30/D-173
Jan 20, 2013
10:44 PM

>> There is truth in what Dalrymple says

What do the thoughts of Dalrymple, confused as they may be, about Mughal period have to do with the Paki slimeballs who relish in chopping heads of Indian soldiers, terrorizing and butchering their minorities, and spreading terror around the world?

YOU are the scoundrel, who whines the loudest, when anyone talks of 84 in an article on Gujarat. But this is somehow related for you.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
31/D-5
Jan 21, 2013
12:46 AM

 "If you put aside the conqueror’s arrogance, what infuriates our neighbour is the fact that India has survived (and, importantly, prospered) as a functioning, secular democracy, while the land of the pure has turned into the land not of all Muslims, but of Sunnis, simultaneously emerging as the “most dangerous place on earth”

Conqueror's arrogence?? When pray, did Pakistan ever 'conquer' us? Infact, wasn't it us who kicked a certain part of their anatomy thrice since 1947, and even dismembered them once? 

Such cluelessless from a nation made out of forcefully converted Hindus is quite hilarious!

Ganesh Natrajan
Isere, France
32/D-7
Jan 21, 2013
01:41 AM

I dont understand the compulsion of engaging with Pakistan and Aman ki Asha and other bullcrap.

Few years ago I lived in a locality in Bangalore. It was a good locality but there was a drainage going through it. The house I stayed was next to it. The municipality had constructed 15 ft wall along the drainage. The residents were thus saved from the sight of filth, mosquitoes and smell of shit. The other three directions were free and I enjoyed the evening time breeze and the pleasing sight of the busy city.

Why cant we have a permanent wall against pakistan and stop giving a damn about its existence? It will be very easy to punish the perpetrators of acts against India if we dont consider them as long lost rogue brothers.

Emperor
NY, United States
33/D-15
Jan 21, 2013
05:01 AM

I have personal friends who happen to from Pakistan. And I say this with all responsibility that comes with friendship. The fact is that what we call "establishment " of Pakistan is nothing but the "aam aadmi" of Pakistan. Because we ingnore this fact we have to act surprised each time they come and give us a bloody nose. A co worker of mine has an older brother working with ISI, another friend has a dad still serving in the army. What I am trying to tell you is that their anti India establishment is a clear reflection  of their society ,just like it is is any other country. It is a serious mistake to deal with them as  different entities. Once you get to understand this fact you'll realize that all of them know India to be their existential enemy. Each one of them from all walks of life. They are of course right. With similarities of language , culture , history and even similar weaknesses , India as the bigger , more successful and the original inheritor of everything comman exerts a massive influence on their polity and their minds; just by being there. Pakistan can not handle this influence easily and only by being very aggressive, proactive and virulently anti India in every aspect have they been able to hold on to their"Pakistaniat".Although just barely. There is national consensus in Pakistan about this method of survival. No matter what form of government comes and goes it will not change. Ever! So India needs to get real fast.  Only wear a velvet glove if she can have an iron fist inside otherwise it is better to isolate and shun them. Nothing else has ever worked with Pakistan and nothing else ever will. Most of all whatever you do never make the fatal mistake of thinking that their establishment is some kind of a strange monster that landed from outer space ! It did not.

Ashutosh Kaul
Toronto, Canada
34/D-69
Jan 21, 2013
11:24 AM

As long as we keep mistaking that the average Pakistani is different from the country's establishment or that the Pakistani army is different from the common man on the street, we will continue to pay a heavy price in terms of men and material. After all, however elitist, the establishment is still made up of Pakistanis. And a few peaceniks here and there hardly matter as long as the country as a whole is deeply suspicious of India and is forever looking to bleed us with a thousand cuts.

Nothing but the complete annihilation of India will satisfy Pakistan. As long as we continue to ignore this simple fact, we will never find a solution to our Pakistan problem. 

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
35/D-75
Jan 21, 2013
11:54 AM

 Raja Ramdeorai was beheaded. Prithviraj Chowhan was beheaded. Dattaji Shinde, the founder of Scindia dynasty was beheaded. In 21st century Pakistan even daniel Pearl was beheaded. 

Vishwarao Peshwa's face and dead body was admired so much by Abdali that he wanted to carry it back. He was opposed by Nawab of Oudh who faught Marathas by joining hands with Abdali at last stage (responding to appeal on grounds of Islam).

The Islamic foirces passing entering through Khyber Pass have historically shown saddist tendencies. Fortunately, Indian muslims have shown respect for local culture and customs.  

sanjiv
mumbai, India
36/D-89
Jan 21, 2013
01:25 PM

 The cardinal law of diplomacy is to negotiate from a position of strength. India is far stronger than Pakistan but the present Government is incapable of leveraging the nation's strengths. 

All talk about doves and hawks and candlelight processions and track 2 diplomacy is nothing but hot air. In my humble opinion, all disputes can be settled by negotiation only if our Government is led by a tough leader like Narendra Modi. 

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
37/D-105
Jan 21, 2013
04:26 PM

 
I am the original starry-eyed, much-lampooned candle-lighter of Wagah. I yield to no one in my passion for India-Pakistan friendship. I consider myself to be a card-carrying dove. ..........
They craftily exploit the guilt many peaceniks suffer from—of “Big Brother” having historically mistreated “Little Brother”. Moreover, the establishment lies through its teeth.
.................Though I remain committed to the goal of good relations, I view the Pakistani power structure with mounting suspicion. ~VM

Der aaye durust aaye.

Mihir Samel
mumbai, India
38/D-148
Jan 21, 2013
08:07 PM

 "Lest anger blinds us, it’s Pakistandom, not Pakistanis, who are our enemy"

The argument is nothing new. During the cold war, liberals of all stripes said that the Russians really loved peace but only the ruling elite in USSR wanted the cold war. There was no evidence to support that claim back then and the argument was irrelevant also. Winning the cold war had nothing to do with the Russian people.

The same argument is made with Pakis-with absolutely no evidence. The same Vinod Mehta made a ludicrous claim that if a calamity struck India, Pakistanis would help. I asked him whether Pakis gave any help during the Gujarat earthquake or Orissa floods. My letter got published but Mehta has not come up with any evidence thus far.

Lenin said there are enough people in the West to believe them and that if given a long rope, they would hang themselves. He coined a beautiful phrase for those who willingly delude themselves and refuse to see reality. He called them deaf-mutes.

Vinod Mehta is a deaf-mute.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
39/D-157
Jan 21, 2013
08:44 PM

 Finally, some realization! No one ever doubted the common man in Pakistan. The issue was always with the Army, the ISI, the government - which has always been incapable of dealing with the army and its priorities. In such an environment, when you continue with people-people and cultural contacts, it makes a mockery of us. It is not a pause-continue. Paki army has already factored that in. They know there'll be outrage and peace-niks will take over and things will become 'normal' .. the cycle continues. 

With US' withdrawl from Afganisthan, Paki army and the ISI will become more powerful than what they are now.

We need to hit them where it hurts the most - the Pak army and ISI. With continued funding and armed forces spending @ >20% of GDP, Paki army is having a ball. the only way this party is going to stop is to deal with this situation. Only when the army is brought to its senses and barracks will the Paki economy will grow, citizenery will start to reap benefits of growth and the civilian govt will have a say.

We lost a huge opportunity to reign in the Pak army-ISI team, when OBL was found and killed there. That has been our problem. No statecraft..ever!

Ananth
Chennai, India
40/D-161
Jan 21, 2013
08:51 PM

 "No one ever doubted the common man in Pakistan."

I do. I have never believed in the nonsense about how the ordinary Pakis are desperate for peace. There has been no evidence to support such a claim.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
41/D-166
Jan 21, 2013
09:47 PM

 This is the first time that I largely agree with Mr Vonid Mehta.  What took him so long to realize that the Pak state is criminal, its army and establishment anti-India , lying criminals ?

What's the point in saying the Pakistani people are our frined ? Is Pakistan ruled by Mexico ? However I am glad to see Mr Mehta realize his sins of his past and folly of his past positions on Pakistan.

Gurudev Shorey
Houston, United States
42/D-169
Jan 21, 2013
09:56 PM

 ' At present, I see myself as 50 per cent dove and 50 per cent realist as far as Pakistan is concerned."

Thanks for admitting that doves can never be realists. And what we need are realists-not doves.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
43/D-171
Jan 21, 2013
10:28 PM

 If the tone and mood reflected in Outlook is indeed the tone and mood of the country, then we have become a country full of eunuchs. There is no other way to put it. So much defeatism and pessimism. And a total absence of spine is revealed in pages of Outlook. 

The Pallava King, Mahendra Pallava sensed a similar defeatism in his people. And he wanted to instill courage in his people. So he built numerous Bharata mandapas-where Mahabharatha was read daily. And when the war came with Chalukya Pulikesi, people rose to the occassion.

I think we need a similar project in the country. Especially the story narrated by Kunti about Vithula and her son must be made known to every Indian. THe country is doomed without men of spine and substance.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
44/D-5
Jan 22, 2013
12:41 AM

VM’s conundrum whether it is TV coverage that creates public frenzy or it is the other way round is answered by an arcane and abstruse concept of quantum mechanics known as the Heisenberg’s Principle of Uncertainty. Stated in simple non-mathematical terms, it postulates that the very act of observing a phenomenon changes the nature and course of the phenomenon. Its journalistic dimension is illustrated where the action being covered by the TV camera gets influenced and exaggerated precisely because the protagonists are conscious of their being on camera. This behavioural factor has been exacerbated by the Indian electronic media in the recent Delhi gang rape and the Indian soldier’s beheading episodes, where several TV anchors and correspondents have recklessly incited their subjects and inflamed the situation by asking provocatively leading questions. VM’s conclusion that it is public outrage that precedes media hysteria is, therefore, scientifically disproved.



 

Ramesh Ramachandra
Bangalore, India
45/D-22
Jan 22, 2013
02:11 AM

D.L.Narayan,

>> all disputes can be settled by negotiation only if our Government is led by a tough leader like Narendra Modi.

Or a tough leader like Hitler! (I did not know you were a Modiwadi. Shame on you!)

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
46/D-41
Jan 22, 2013
06:15 AM

@Anwaar: Modi haters are as bad as the Modiwadis & as intellectually bankrupt

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
47/D-42
Jan 22, 2013
06:21 AM

Dear Mr.Mehta,
Both Doves and Hawks are basically annoying old people with very little forward thinking ability.
This idea that we must kiss each other if we aren't killing them is the same typical vacillation that we see in the Indian TV media. Aman Ki Asha bleeding heart nonsense is unnecessary.
Frankly, apart from Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and his musical descendants & that kind of music, cricket and terrorism, there sin't much that is similiar between more Indians(esp those south of the Vindhyas) and Pakistanis.
I for one, have more in common with the average Pacific Islander than the average Pakistani.
You and the TV media deserve each other. You and the Hawks deserve each other.
It doesn't surprise me that Indians who are obsessed with Pakistan generally come from families with roots in western Punjab. Except the Shiv Sena.
Otherwise it's the same ole , same ole!

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
48/D-55
Jan 22, 2013
07:24 AM

Just Joe King,

>> Modi haters are as bad as the Modiwadis & as intellectually bankrupt.

Perhaps you would say that of Hitler haters too!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
49/D-89
Jan 22, 2013
10:37 AM

 Anwaar >> Perhaps you would say that of Hitler haters too!

Someone whose role model is the Razakars and who worships OWASI as his leader should not talk about Hitler  !!

Ramki
Delhi, India
50/D-122
Jan 22, 2013
01:41 PM

Ramki,

>> Someone whose role model is the Razakars and who worships OWASI...

You are the most dastardly liar I have ever encountered. Or are you just an idiot who does not understand anything?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
51/D-132
Jan 22, 2013
02:34 PM

 @Anwaar,post no 45

I am neither a Modiwadi nor a fascist.  I am a nationalist and at the moment, I see no other political leader on the horizon who is capable of providing India with a good, corruption free,pro-active governance. He is a man who means business and that is what India needs right now. The Pakistanis know that too and he is the best person to deal with the Pakistani establishment. 

There is nothing to be ashamed of in being a supporter of Modi for PM. I do not believe that he is responsible for the horrifying incidents of 2002 since all the charges seem to be pure conjecture. Unless he is convicted in a court of law, I prefer to give him the benefit of doubt.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
52/D-135
Jan 22, 2013
02:51 PM

D.L.Narayan,

>>  I do not believe that he is responsible for the horrifying incidents of 2002 since all the charges seem to be pure conjecture.

Conjecture? I can't believe you said that!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
53/D-145
Jan 22, 2013
03:59 PM

Anwaar,

[[You are the most dastardly liar I have ever encountered. Or are you just an idiot who does not understand anything?]]

I've encountered you. Just this morning, you claimed you posted a link that said Adi Sankara along with Pushyamitra Sunga destroyed Buddhism even after I posted what you wrote verbatim. I haven't seen a more blatant case of lying than this.

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
54/D-183
Jan 22, 2013
07:51 PM

 Hey!! Vinod Mehta did not write this. Ir I must be drunk today...

how come God knocked some sense in him when he wrote this.

he msut be drunk then!

Anyway... nice to know you got it right on Pakistan after a long time!

sanjay
delhi, india
55/D-204
Jan 22, 2013
09:07 PM

 Anwar just repeats what Pakistan Islamists and terrorists say. He encounters any criticism of Jihadi organizations by chanting 'Modi', Modi'. 

Anyway, good to see that Vivod Mehta realizes that Pakistan "officialdom" is inspired by the same hatred that inspired Jinnah and his religion inspired politics of bigotry and hatred.

Gurudev Shorey
Houston, United States
56/D-218
Jan 22, 2013
09:44 PM

  When dialogue resumes we need to remember that the aam aadmi in Pakistan is our friend—..."

One is reminded of the story of the Chinese and his ninth wife. He had killed his previous 8 wives and married this one. People asked this woman why she married such a killer. She said the previous 8 did not understand the man and that her marriage would work out alright.

People like Vinod Mehta, Kuldip Nayyar and others have no more brains than this Chinese woman when it comes to Pakistan. Even after repeated stabs, they keep believing in the goodness of the Pakistani people.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
57/D-224
Jan 22, 2013
10:09 PM

 "Conjecture? I can't believe you said that!"...Anwaar

Conjecture is something that is yet to be proven and all charges will remain exactly that unless proved otherwise. Until and unless he is convicted of organising the pogrom in 2002, I shall give him the benefit of doubt. The UPA has been in power for most of the time in the post-2002 period. What stopped them from putting him behind bars if there is incontrovertible evidence?

It is not about Modi or BJP or Hindutva or fascism or anything else. In the present juncture, is there a leader, other than Modi, who has shown the potential to give the nation the kind of leadership it needs so desperately? 

In my humble opinion, only Modi is capable of ensuring Pax Indica over the subcontinent. Neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh would dare to  carry out subversive activities in India were Modi to be at the helm of affairs in India, either directly or through their proxies.

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
58/D-230
Jan 22, 2013
11:02 PM

I share Mehta's frustration with the Pakistani establishment , but cannot think of any better approach for India toward managing a traditionally hostile neighbor.

It is easy to play domestic politics or express hawkish sentiment over Indo-Pak relationship. However the truth is India,with its priorities to improve economic growth has limited options. Successive Indian governments across different political spectrum tried to improve relations with Pakistan over the years. Both NDA under Bajpayee and UPA under Manmohan Singh took similar approach - encourage more people to people contact through cultural exchange, facilitate movement of people across borders, deescalate military build ups, focus on cricket diplomacy etc. And both the Prime Ministers were cheated by Pakistani establishment. Bajpayee's bus diplomacy was repaid in kind through the Kargil War and the Indian parliament attacks in 2001. Manmohan Singh's cricket diplomacy, liberal visa regime and cross border trade initiatives were repaid in kind through 26/11 Mumbai attacks and beheading of soldiers. Actually India is trying to pursue all the logical options to improve relations with an inimical neignbor. After making attempts to improve cultural exchange India wanted to implement a mutually beneficial cross border trade regime that would have logically provided incentives for Pakistanis to improve relations. Indian governments in the past engaged with army dictator as well as democratically elected government in Pakistan hoping for improved relations from the establishment at different times. Nothing proved effective in due course.

Any military overture including a surgical operation to flush out the terrorists would result in a full blown war and its result will likely be a stalemate with huge cost on the economy. (Even Americans with their drone attacks on Paki Taliban and Paki military with their operations against their "bad" terrorists could not curb the militancy completely.) Without any lasting  solution a military approach cannot be any deterrent for future animosity/terror attacks.  That is why despite setbacks India preferred negotiations with Pakistan.  Bajpayee after the huge military built up at the border following the parliament attacks diod not actually attack Pakistan. Instead Musharaff was invited to India for negotiations. Manmohan Singh after shunning Pakistan for several years since 26/11 attacks initiated world cup cricket diplomacy.

 However, I totally disagree with Mehta's assumption that Pakistan's majority of the population want peace with India unlike Pakistan's establishment.  All powerful elements of Pakistan's establishment - the dictators, the politicians and the Mullahs have capitalized on very popular anti-India sentiment of common Pakistanis.  We the NRIs live peacefully with Pakistanis setlled overseas. But that did not preclude Hadley and Rana to plan 26/11 attacks while living in the comforts of North America. India needs both carrots and sticks to deal with Pakistan. It cannot continue with soft options alone leaving hard options off the table. It only gives complacence to Pakistani establishment to further misadventures. Any over simplified assumption about Pakistani aam admi to be peace loving and its establishment to be anti India will lead to more idiotic decisions and setbacks thereafter. Hopefully terror attacks from Pakistan in India should not be underplayed citing Pakistan's own victimhood to terrorism that was its own creation.

DC
NEW YORK, United States
59/D-1
Jan 23, 2013
12:07 AM

 "However the truth is India,with its priorities to improve economic growth has limited options."

We have lot of options. Bankrupt Pakistan by indulging in trade wars. Pak and India export a lot of things and are competitors. Make the competition more intense. We can take more losses than Pak. The great example was how Reagan bankrupted the Russians by refusing on the gas pipe line. Eventually Reagan had to agree to the pipe line, but by that time, the line had become half its value and Russians incurred severe losses. 

And encourage the disgrunted elements inside Pak. We must encourage the Balochis and Sindhis. Pump in money to them and create unrest inside Pak. The goal should be to destabilize Pak in 10-15 years.

A stable and prosperous Pak is NOT in India's interest. If we get that in our head, we can find twenty different options of breaking Pakistan without firing a single shot.

Rakhal
Philadelphia, United States
60/D-5
Jan 23, 2013
12:44 AM

 >> remember that the aam aadmi in Pakistan is our friend

Mr. Mehta, how about a tinge of honesty once in a while, "mango" people have no one else but other "mango" people.

Now being part of the "establishment" yourself, how about try and get along with other "establishment", so "mango" people can live in peace.

hitesh brahmbhatt
san diego, United States
61/D-21
Jan 23, 2013
02:55 AM

Alakshyendra,

>>  you claimed you posted a link that said Adi Sankara along with Pushyamitra Sunga destroyed Buddhism even after I posted what you wrote verbatim.

It was from the same Dalit/Buddhist link. I did not invent it.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
62/D-29
Jan 23, 2013
03:37 AM

D.L.Narayan,

>> Until and unless he is convicted of organising the pogrom in 2002, I shall give him the benefit of doubt.

That's a very low bar for a very high position!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
63/D-34
Jan 23, 2013
04:15 AM

 Why make a distinction between "aam Pakistani" and the "Pakistani officialdom" ? Is Pakistan ruled by Mexico ?

Gurudev Shorey
Houston, United States
64/D-39
Jan 23, 2013
05:59 AM

>> That's a very low bar for a very high position!

But WAY HIGHER than the one you use to spew your hatred against Hinduism.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
65/D-62
Jan 23, 2013
09:46 AM

@ 47/D-42 Just Joe King, Gotham, India
It doesn't surprise me that Indians who are obsessed with Pakistan generally come from families with roots in western Punjab. Except the Shiv Sena.

I agree with this observation.
We suffer Pakistan, because our capital is in New Delhi. No country in the world is free from disputes, but this obsession is because of this tiny group of people who has close connection with them.
I have all sympathy for those who lost their dear one's (including homes) in partition. They tends to have soft corner for other side.
That all is fine, but whole country is suffering for a utopian dream. Which every person with little common sense knows, is just a dream.
There is no kiss-kiss bang-bang going to happen between India and Pakistan in foreseeable future.
Get that as clear as you can.
To me the goal will be to minimise conflict. "ye dosti, hum nahi todenge" is out of question.

On the side note: 'Common sense' reminds me of a joke I read on facebook:
"Common-sense should be declared super power, for it is so scarce"
:)
 

Santosh Gairola
Hsinchu, Taiwan
66/D-78
Jan 23, 2013
11:30 AM

 "That's a very low bar for a very high position!"....Anwaar

Isn't that the reality of Indian politics right now? The height of the bar is inversely proportional to the height of the position, isn't it? For a lowly Class IV government job,one needs to have a clean criminal record, a minimum level of education and a minimum level of intelligence. Apart from age, is there any qualification in place for political positions?

D.L.Narayan
Visakhapatnam, India
67/D-87
Jan 23, 2013
12:38 PM

@Anwaar:
//Perhaps you would say that of Hitler haters too!//

Thank you, for illustrating my point!!

Just Joe King
Gotham, India
68/D-111
Jan 23, 2013
01:37 PM

"The height of the bar is inversely proportional to the height of the position."

So true, sir! Look at the highest position in the Congress party! A lucky sperm is enough qualification! Why its qualification enough if, god forbid, congress comes to power in 2014!! 

Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
69/D-132
Jan 23, 2013
02:57 PM

 Hitesh Brahmbhatt >> Mr. Mehta, how about a tinge of honesty once in a while, "mango" people have no one else but other "mango" people

NEVER EXPECT SOMEONE TO BE HONEST ABOUT SOMETHING, WHEN HIS INCOME IS DEPENDENT ON HIS NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THAT  THING !!

Ramki
Delhi, India
70/D-133
Jan 23, 2013
03:02 PM

 The only correct approach India has to adopt w.r.to Pakistan is the same we adopted w.r.to the Apartheid Era south africa. There is no need for open war with Islamic republic of Pakistan .What we need to do is stand firm on our ground and refuse to engage in any kind of relationship with Pakistan, till and untill they discard their theocracy and treat their religious minorities as equals.

Fighting a direct war is a very silly and easy approach for imbeciles. Fighting a cold war till end out of conviction based on a morally correct stand is the real approach for real brave folks who stand by convictions.
 

Diverse, secular India should perpare for a long "COLD" war with Pakistan till the latter sheds its millitant and barbarian theocracy.

Any trade ties with pak does not impact India much, Pak does not produce even one of the top 10 imported items by india and Pak is not a big market for any of the top 10 exported items from India. trade ties with pak are only for a interested elite and so can wait till we get the nation cured of its disease of theocracy.

Ramki
Delhi, India
71/D-177
Jan 23, 2013
08:46 PM

 So you mean we should play cricket with the Pakistanis even while one arm of their creation kills our soldiers? I had thought the silly Mnmohan Singh had led us to be a soft state, now it appears even journalists want to make us the laughing stock of the world. 

Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
72/D-53
Jan 24, 2013
10:48 AM

Anwaar,

[[It was from the same Dalit/Buddhist link. I did not invent it.]]

It means you concurred with whatever drivel was posted in that link.

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
73/D-142
Jan 24, 2013
09:33 PM

Mr D.L Narayan, You have put forward your views so well. I shall be reading your posts a few times. This is how we must learn to put forward our arguments. Highly appeciated.

Lata
Madrid, Spain
74/D-143
Jan 24, 2013
09:39 PM

Mr Vinod Mehta all along had a soft spot for Pakistan. A journalist must keep aside his ideology, prejudices and sentiments when writing or repoting on tv. I have not seen that in India yet. Indians are inherently emotional and their heart often overrules their heads. That helps if you were an artist, painter, author, mucisian or a dancer. Journalist when thinks from the heart usually ends up pretty confused.

Lata
Madrid, Spain