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As Gujarat – and the nation – marks ten years of the horrific violence in Godhra and later across the state, and Modi completes his carefully-calibrated Sadbhavna mission in a bid to erase the 2002 blot, he finds the courts closing in on him and his government.


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1/D-20
Feb 16, 2012
01:53 AM

"In a severe indictment of Modi, the Gujarat high court, last week, observed that the Gujarat government had failed during the 2002 violence and shown negligence in protecting citizens and religious structures...... the state machinery had completely failed to anticipate communal disturbance and had subsequently floundered in containing the violence."

In view of the above, a clean chit from the SIT would be cynical and hard to sustain.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-29
Feb 16, 2012
03:09 AM

"In view of the above, a clean chit from the SIT would be cynical and hard to sustain."


May be for someone who does not understand the difference between inept at controlling riots and perpetrator of riots.

Maha
NJ, United States
3/D-34
Feb 16, 2012
07:36 AM

the state machinery had completely failed to anticipate communal disturbance and had subsequently floundered in containing the violence

Who was it who said that "lack of intelligence means there was no intelligence failure"?

For those who fail to understand the difference between "incompetence" or "inefficiency" and active "connivance" there is no hope.

Incidentally, the SIT has not given a "clean chit" to Modi. It has merely said that there is insufficient evidence to prosecute.  The push to launch a prosecution despite knowing there is insufficient evidence is merely a political ploy designed to harass someone rather than obtain justice.

Bonita
Chennai, India
4/D-35
Feb 16, 2012
07:44 AM

he finds the courts closing in on him and his government.

The bias of the author is evident from her stating wishful thinking as fact.

Bonita
Chennai, India
5/D-39
Feb 16, 2012
09:01 AM

>> The push to launch a prosecution despite knowing there is insufficient evidence is merely a political ploy....

Prosecutors may disagree on the question of whether the evidence is sufficient or insufficient to proaecute.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
6/D-45
Feb 16, 2012
09:16 AM

Prosecutors may disagree on the question of whether the evidence is sufficient or insufficient to proaecute.

I agree. The report is with the judge and he has to decide on whether to accept it or not. I have no qualms about that. What I find objectionable is casting aspersions on the integrity of every person who makes a report or delivers a judgement which runs contrary to ones own inclination.

Judges rulings may often seem strange, which is why we have a system available to challenge such rulings. No decision is final until it reaches the SC. Celebrations or mourning over a decision are both premature until the SC has had it's say. A little digression here. Your favourite news source for "unbiased" comment has an article about PC and his 2G woes.

Bonita
Chennai, India
7/D-46
Feb 16, 2012
09:22 AM

>>  casting aspersions on the integrity of every person who makes a report or delivers a judgement.

More aspersions have been cast on Teesta Setalvad and Mallika Sarabhai than on Raghavan. Perhaps it is a game that both sides play!

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
8/D-49
Feb 16, 2012
09:37 AM

>>More aspersions have been cast on Teesta Setalvad and Mallika Sarabhai than on Raghavan.

Yeah, one excels in filing false affidavits and the other gets caught lying about her own lawyer.
 

RSM
Delhi, India
9/D-59
Feb 16, 2012
12:21 PM

If the country cannot hang the killers of 84 riots, you wouldnt get any justice in gujarat. The same system is at work.

Navien K Batta
muscat, Oman
10/D-75
Feb 16, 2012
03:32 PM

Apart from the opinion of Smruti, the details are good and to the point.

The opinion (rather frustration) part is a classic case of, "mei to naa maanu, naa maanu, naa maanu re"
Didn't she read B Raman in other article?

Santosh Gairola
Hsinchu, Taiwan
11/D-81
Feb 16, 2012
05:25 PM

"More aspersions have been cast on Teesta Setalvad and Mallika Sarabhai than on Raghavan."

There is a heap of differnece between what Teesata and Mallika opine and what judges rule. What Teesata and Mallika say is their opinion, what judges and investigation reports say is based on careful scrutiny of facts and evidence.

Only morons will compare them. and only utter idiots will give more weightage to the former and less to the latter.

Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
12/D-101
Feb 16, 2012
08:59 PM

Among the life's unintended consequences is the fact that Mr. Narendra Modi is more popular today than he was right after the Gujarat riots.  How responsible are Teestas, Mallikas and Smruties  of the world?  Who knows?  One thing is for sure, Gujarat's progress under Mr. Modi alone is not responsible for his enhanced popularity.

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
13/D-107
Feb 16, 2012
09:29 PM

And where is even a prayer for hope for those who talk about "incompetence", "inefficiency", active "connivance", or "inept" at controlling the riots, when these words are not even mentioned by the author of this opinion? The word used by the author is "INACTION", as in the quote straight from the Gujarat high court verdict "The state's INACTION resulted in the damage". INACTION means abscence of any action, competent or incompetent, efficient or inefficient. And yes, INACTION by actively and consistently withholding any preventive action while the crimes of slaughter are in progress for days can certainly be interpreted as active "connivance".

Rohit Desai
Nount Prospect, United States
14/D-120
Feb 16, 2012
10:56 PM

Let us apply "Inaction" and "Connivance" definition of Mr. Desai to 1984 riots, 1969 Gujarat riots, Bhagalpur riots... on and on, but especially to the 1950s Gujarat riots when under Chief Minister Morarji Desai, a police Commissioner named Pimputkar sprayed gasoline and burned down Vhora-ward in Godhra. (I lived in Godhra in 1969, but even then the story hung in the air like the fumes from the Bhopal plant on a cold wintery night).

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
15/D-122
Feb 16, 2012
11:32 PM

During the past 10 years Gujarat has been a land of 'blood shed tsunami" castration drama of beaurocrats and police, magical shows of disappearance of mountains and seas and circus shows of tamiing wild animals  and puppetry and so on, with a few comical reliefs from law courts.  Can we expect  any civilized developments  in the next decade?

teepee
kerala, India
16/D-42
Feb 17, 2012
07:39 AM

TEEPEE- KERALA-- 

Kerala is ruled by CONGRESS led Govt with  a wafer thin majority of 71MLAs -68MLAs of CPM in a 140 seat assembly with the support of "communal" MUSLIM LEAGUE who has 22 MLAs. Without the support of the 22 MLAs of "communal" MUSLIM LEGUE, the CONGRESS govt of Kerala will be reduced  a minority with just 49 MLAs and fall. But for TEEPEE, appeasing Muslims and taking support of "communal" MUSLIM LEGUE is "civilsed" while GUJARAT is uncivilised- what a shame.

>>the state machinery had completely failed to anticipate communal disturbance and had subsequently floundered in containing the violence."<<<

>>>>the state machinery had completely failed to anticipate & "stop SCAMS like 2G, CWG, ISRO, ADARSH etc etc" and had subsequently floundered in containg the SCAM& get the SCAMSTERS punished and recover the LOOT<<<<. 

MILLION times more INDIANS have died due to "starvation, poverty & poor health care" than GUJARAT RIOTS. SCAMS & stashing the LOOT in SWISS BANKS (500 BILLION $ as per CBI Director) is directly responsible for deaths of MILLIONS of POOR INDIANS. GUJARAT is used by SECUS to divert attention from SCAMS, evidently because SECUS are also get part of the LOOT.  

Charan dewry
Guwahati, India
17/D-53
Feb 17, 2012
09:53 AM

Teestas and of her ilk are not bothered about their popularity,with their bank acconts swelling contributed by Islamists.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
18/D-59
Feb 17, 2012
12:47 PM

Nagaraj,

>> Teestas and of her ilk are not bothered about their popularity,with their bank acconts swelling contributed by Islamists.

Do you know of any Islamist funds coming to Teesta, or is this just another of your shameless lies?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
19/D-67
Feb 17, 2012
01:43 PM

For a man who runs a state and covets the PM's chair, Mr. Modi has a lot of answering to do for the climate he helped to create that led to the 2002 killings and, in all probability, his own personal complicity. Apart from proof of the emotions that he generates, the number of likes or dislikes on the Outlook forum would not be of any help in his appearance in a court of law (sooner or later) to answer for his crimes or his innocence. The Teestas can be pilloried – it’s not difficult – but it is to their credit that the spotlight has remained on Mr. Modi’s role in 2002 for over 10 years, and that is an achievement in itself. To suggest that theirs is an agenda driven by Islamist funding or Modi hatred is foolery and betrays a lack of understanding of the enormity of the crime or its effect.
A lack of political will and other circumstances allowed many Congress goons to get away after 1984; Modi and his gang cannot be allowed that liberty, and as our politicians are so fond of saying: let the law take its course.
p.s.
Readers might find http://tehelka.com/story_main48.asp?filename=Ne120211coverstory.asp interesting, especially after many of us have come to believe, based on reports in the past few days, that the SIT gave a clean chit to Mr. Modi.

Santosh John Samuel
Kochi, India
20/D-71
Feb 17, 2012
02:43 PM

Gujarat is No 1 in the development in the fields of Agriculture,Industry and Business.Gujaratis are excellent business men even 400 years before Nraendra Modi is born. But  Agriculture and Industry completely owe to naredra Modi.People like Teesta Setalwad, an dEnglish Media Barons like N. Ram,Columnists of the like minded tried their best to keep Gujarat Riots alive.Day in Day out they tried to see the End Of Narendra Modi.But. Today he is the first choic efor PM Post in the surveys. Even in West Bengal,Tamilnadu,Kerals where his Party ha sno reprentation either in Loksabha state assembles Narendra modi is the first choice.for PM.. We observe dfrom the channles that consdierable number of Mulsims also attended his Sadbhavana Yathra. OK I will agree that the Government ha sstage managed it. So many witnesses have withdrawn their confessions befoe Nanavati Commiission and Courts saying that they deposed against the Modi government under pressure from Teests Setalwad and and some media People.Not only that they prevente dmany Muslims from leaving relif camps though perfect peace is prevailing in Gujarat from the last 10 Years..Now these secularists are crying fol for the SIT giving Clean Chit Naredra Modi( ( Sources).I cna say onething Except God no one can stop Naredra modi from the rising.. It is firat time in India that people directly areexpressing desire for a man to become PM that too aperson who hasbeen a CM, for more than 10 Years.who swam against the sea of odds,a man who defeted not only the opposition but also the most powerful opponenets within his own party like Keshubhai Patel and  last but not the least the powerful section of the English Media. That is enough for Modi.Who will be the PM in 2014 Time will decide.

Karavadi Raghava Rao
Vijayawada, India
21/D-72
Feb 17, 2012
02:48 PM

>> Do you know of any Islamist funds coming to Teesta, or is this just another of your shameless lies?

It is Teesta's responsibility to disprove the allegations.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
22/D-78
Feb 17, 2012
04:39 PM
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jokepal
Kotlu, India
23/D-87
Feb 17, 2012
06:16 PM

Granted nobody in this forum has any proof that Teesta is getting funds from Islamists, but recently in a Television show a lady openly accused Teesta of getting funds from Middle Eastern countries and instead of defending against that accusation, Teesta huffed and puffed and stormed out of the TV studio.

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
24/D-96
Feb 17, 2012
06:41 PM

 Its not the sympathy for riot victims but the fear of Modi taking a central stage in the future power games that the secus are worried about and thats exactly the reason for repeated  attempts to malign him and paint him with black brush.English media, especially the Hindu news paper hopelessly lack any credibility. 

sandilya
Chennai, India
25/D-97
Feb 17, 2012
06:47 PM

 I read your blog Santosh you have spoken like a true democrat,Look at the number who have expressed dislike for your views.

Rise of intolerance in a Nation which talks of pluralism and to ,on a issue of justice and human right violations is being opposed for nothing.

That nothing was done for victims of 84 and those who master minded it is a dark unerasable part of our history,but open opposition for justice in 2012 for victims of 2002 is deplorable.

Govts cannot be run over blood of innocents and future cannot be secured by cheating others.Thats what we were taught in Moral science.

wrongone
chennai, India
26/D-106
Feb 17, 2012
08:04 PM

" Do you know of any Islamist funds coming to Teesta, or is this just another of your shameless lies? " Faruki

All terror carnage have received funds from Middle East as exposed by the Govt .For 13/7 Mumbai blasts 10 lacs came from there.
Teesta receives funds from Middle East too. QED

a k ghai
mumbai, India
27/D-115
Feb 17, 2012
09:33 PM

>>>Mr. Modi has a lot of answering to do for the climate he helped to create that led to the 2002 killings<<<< JOHN SAMUEL

15000 KILLED in BHOPAL and more than 5 Lakh  injured. CONGRESS led by Mr RAJIV GANDHI assisted the escape of company officials. That Company is paying 100 MILLION $ to "Christain controlled" OLYMPICS but refuse to pay the victims of BHOPAL. The present CONGRESS GOVT neither taking up the issue OR withdrawing from olympics. The MINORITIES forget BHOPAL & are after Mr MODI for stopping "conversion". Even the POPE and US EVANGELIST whoes "heart bleeds" for the poor wanting to "convert & save their souls" do nothing about CHRISTIAN SWISS  BANKERS providing  hiding place for LOOT created by "snatching food from the mouth of STARVING BILLIONS" of the world but is after Mr MODI even refusing VISA to him. Let POPE excommunicate the SWISS CHRISTIAN Bankers and US EVANGELIST support that prior to abusing Mr MODI.   

Charan dewry
Guwahati, India
28/D-23
Feb 18, 2012
03:00 AM

>> a lady openly accused Teesta of getting funds from Middle Eastern countries.

Those reactionary Arabs funding a leftist liberal in India??? She may be getting donations from Indian workers in the Emirates. The lady who brought the accusation should be asked how much money hate groups such as VHP and RSS get from NRI's in the U.S. and U.K.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
29/D-25
Feb 18, 2012
03:08 AM

Ghai,

>> All terror carnage have received funds from Middle East.

By Middle East do you mean Dawood?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
30/D-28
Feb 18, 2012
03:29 AM

> a lady openly accused Teesta of getting funds from Middle Eastern countries.

Calling money that Teesta is getting as funds is wrong. She and Javed Anand have made it ample clear that they run a private company. So it should be called investment. So showing an indian map without J & K on the website, was part of the return these investors get.

Maha
NJ, United States
31/D-31
Feb 18, 2012
04:27 AM

>> The lady who brought the accusation should be asked how much money hate groups such as VHP and RSS get from NRI's in the U.S. and U.K.

Why?

Did you ask the morons who accused Raghavan of accepting favors from the Gujarat govt, as to how many favors have other individuals received from all state govts?

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
32/D-55
Feb 18, 2012
11:40 AM
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Bonita
Chennai, India
33/D-58
Feb 18, 2012
11:54 AM
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Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
34/D-61
Feb 18, 2012
12:30 PM
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Anwaar
Dallas, United States
35/D-62
Feb 18, 2012
12:41 PM
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Anwaar
Dallas, United States
36/D-69
Feb 18, 2012
01:00 PM
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Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
37/D-15
Feb 19, 2012
03:06 AM

Maybe everything here is right, but I am loosing confidence that our criminal justice system will be able to deliver justice to the riot victims. Modi and pretty much anyone important in VHP/RSS/BJP/Bajrang Dal is likely to go scot free, but I am hoping against hope....

Mitra
Chicago, United States
38/D-65
Feb 19, 2012
11:21 PM

Or 10 long glorious years of progress............this is what people of Gujarat have seen and reelected each time with massive votes! stop being fake secularist.....if same logic is to be used............the plunder of India by islamist must be probed and all those dead or alive be brought to book starting with riots in Calcutta starting from Aug 1946 ..............we cannot have different standards.............just because someone feels  differently and onlooker finds its convinient to publish

madhukar
hyd, India
39/D-60
Feb 20, 2012
02:31 PM

 "... stop being fake secularist....." - MADHUKAR

Absolutely !

Hats off to a briiliant post in its rest.

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
40/D-10
Feb 21, 2012
02:22 AM

Modi - A  'great administrator' with 'fantastic leadership qualities' and under him Gujarat witnessed great deal of development! Wonder why his qualities left him when he needed them the most thereby rendering him 'inept' in controlling the riots that took place, not in a remote corner of Gujarat, but right under his nose in Ahmedabad and Vadodara!

Farce of the century!

Chakran
Chennai, India
41/D-70
Feb 21, 2012
12:46 PM

 This is what Modi has done to Gujarat .At least Congress is learning from Modi's methods to do some thing for the farmers .

No doubt Gujarat is the Sate with the highest Development not withstanding efforts of Anti Gujaraus-Anti Hindus Teesta -Mulla Brigade and their Chelas to denigrate the Gujarati and Gujaraties .

Kalawati whose husband died was brought to limelight during Mahrashtra Yatra by Rahul Gandhi on his visit to Mharashtra and she was invited her to Delhi but could not meet him.Once fan fare and Media publicity ended then Kalawati was forgotten .Even Media too has forgotten her .

" UPA learns from Narendra Modi, plans package for Maharashtra :

NEW DELHI: The UPA is drawing from Narendra Modi's experience in Gujarat to work out a " Kalawati package" for cotton producing areas in Maharashtra. The agriculture ministry is pushing the finance ministry to include the scheme in the Budget allocation for the next year. '

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/UPA-learns-from-Narendra-Modi-plans-package-for-Maharashtra/articleshow/11970486.cms

But I am afaraid 'The entire package, expected to cost Rs 3,000 crore-4000 crore' will also be surely pocketed by the Politicans a swe have seen in the past .

However its heartening to note that TOI the most ardent critic of Modi (like OutLook .IE ,HT etc  )at least said one time the truth about Modi's Developmental  efforts .

Must read the Readers comments inTOI .Indians know the truth at least.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
42/D-74
Feb 21, 2012
01:04 PM

Kapil Sibal wants ban on Facebook and other social networks.What our country needs is an immediate ban on this Modi baiting columns.Rajiv Gandhi got a Bharat Ratna inspite of organising killing of 6000 Sikhs,but Modi gets only slander inspite of his actions to contain riots.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
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