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Jul 19, 2010
Red And Black

Nandini Sundar’s column (The Trophies Of Operation Green Hunt, Jul 5) lays bare the true nature of the trophy that is being gloated over by a bankrupt Indian democracy. It gives the outer world a realistic picture of Operation Green Hunt. Nandini lets people see the real truth, when mainstream media, politicians and the establishment all distort the truth.

Rajan Iyyalol, Perth

Ms Sundar is on her moral, self-righteous, holier-than-thou and indignant best when she denounces the treatment of the Maoist dead. Why, madam, aren’t you angry when the Maoists brutally kill crpf men, or torture, kill and then mutilate wounded personnel, as happened in the recent bloodbath?

Scaria Varghese, Melbourne

Ms Sundar brings us down from our ivory towers and punctures our complacency. What is happening to the marginalised is a matter of shame not just for Chidambaram and other bigwigs, but for all of us.

David Albuquerque, Brisbane

Sadly, police culture in India is still encased in a colonial time-warp—they still emphasise and serve to perpetuate a master-slave dynamic. It’s time such a deleterious ethos is chucked out.

Amitabh, Panaji

Now that Maoist apologists have got hold of a picture of securitymen with a dead insurgent, how do they get the most out of it? By talking about rape of adivasi women by SPOs from 2007-08, and relating the photo to those (condemnable) atrocities.

Pradeep, Chennai

Prof Sundar’s article is a sad statement on India today.

Kannan Srinivasan, Melbourne

Order by HAVE YOUR SAY
1/D-72
Jun 26, 2010
07:18 PM
Amazed none of the right winger ve responded yet.
rupisingh
chandigarh, India
2/D-88
Jun 26, 2010
08:57 PM
Any violation of civil liberties under the guise of state action need to be condemned unequivocally and the guilty punished. However the imperfections of the current system do not validate the Maoist vision for the replacement they promise will be 1000 times worse. Power corrupts and power corrupts uniformly, left, right or center.
Shubhang
New Delhi, India
3/D-94
Jun 26, 2010
09:30 PM
The other side of the same coin. The tribal would hunt the wild boar. Carry them back to the village suspended on a pole , the animal's feet tied together. There will be a feast in the evening with lot of rice beer to drink. The live animal will be roasted & eaten in a village fire.

That was the aborigin's trophy. The civilised side of the coin is carrying back it's own trophy - a dead woman suspended on a pole, her feet & hands trussed to it.

What is happening to us civilised people?
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
4/D-96
Jun 26, 2010
09:33 PM
"Imperfections of the current system!" This statement is an education in itself. The CIA used to call murder "termination with extreme prejudice".
Professor Sundar has in no way endorsed the politics of any party, Maoist or otherwise. So perhaps her observations should be treated on their own merits? I do not see any of her facts challenged.
kannan srinivasan
melbourne, Australia
5/D-101
Jun 26, 2010
10:05 PM
This is the trophy exposing the fake Indian democracy..the trophy that gives outer world a realistic picture of the WHAM and operation Green Hunt. Thanks Nandini for letting people see the real truth when the main stream media , politicians and establishment distort the truth in all possible ways. people like you who dare to stand on the side of the truth and fight for the truth do enrich the humanity....
Dr Rajan Iyyalol
perth, Australia
6/D-109
Jun 26, 2010
11:38 PM
This is the sad reality across one-third of a nation which now feels that it should be on the Security Council, complete with veto.
ashok lal
mumbai, India
7/D-1
Jun 27, 2010
12:07 AM
In a country where the living have no dignity, how can we expect the dead to be shown any consideration. Being in the army for the last few years, I am disappointed to say that the place is very unsafe for women, and children. The army turns a blind eye to the indignities heaped on their wives and children.
One day in the cantonment, i was going for a walk. One jawan tried to pick me up for a night of "fun". I was shocked that the Jawan had the courage to talk to a lady in such a manner, and I told the brigadier and his wife about the incident, and to my surprise they laughed! Later when I told my husband, he was angry with me for going out on a walk alone and told me in no uncertain terms that I can not go for a walk alone. I was furious, with both reactions. My independence and my freedom had to be curtailed while the perp was not even admonished. This is the state of the Indian army.
hepastion
Chennai, India
8/D-2
Jun 27, 2010
12:14 AM
I have a suggestion, the outlook can publish a Maoist addendum and price the magazine exclusive of the addendum.Am sure that the Maoist addendum would sell more copies than Dan Brown's Lost Symbol thanks to Arundhati and Nalini Sundar's popularity, among NGO's sitting on a lot of money and people in the west who want to be constantly reassured that the real "India" is still the land of barbarians, Snake Charmers and Half naked fakirs. But spare the insensitive and materialistic middle class Indian,who unlike Arundhati Roy and Nandini Sundar,is not born in to affluence . After all, in times of galloping inflation and sky rocketing fuel prices every rupee counts(I want to buy the I Pad and dont forget the EMI for the Honda City).

The defense by "Civil Society actors"(actors? any pun intended?) seems to follow the example of the Sri Lankan tamil "human rights activists" who have sucessfully created an impression abroad that the Civilians were killed in cold blood or subject to sexual assault while potraying the LTTE as a disciplined force. First,Arundhati Roy accused the PTI of being an agent of Mr Chidambaram and now Sundar suggests that the state is using rape as a weapon of war. Most Ridiculous to say the least.


The security forces themselves travel by public transport and live in pitiable conditions. So where is the money going to come for a 21 gun salute for the maoist martyrs.May be the governemnt should raise money by canceling the grants for research on exotic topics like " An Anthology of atrocities commited by Armed forces as imagined by a closet Maoist".
sudharshan
madras, india
10/D-13
Jun 27, 2010
01:04 AM
Nice try,Nandini.Rapes by the security forces = Murders by the Maoists.
Joshua Miranda
Chennai, India
11/D-15
Jun 27, 2010
01:17 AM
Marha Nussbaum writing on the Gujarat massacre of 2002 says: "Particularly striking were the mass rapes and mutilations of women. The typical tactic was first to rape or gang-rape the woman, then to torture her, and then to set her on fire and kill her. Although the fact that most of the dead were incinerated makes a precise sex count of the bodies impossible, one mass grave that was discovered contained more than half female bodies. Many victims of rape and torture are also among the survivors who have testified. The historian Tanika Sarkar, who played a leading role in investigating the events and interviewing witnesses, has argued in an important article that the evident preoccupation with destroying women’s sexual organs reveals “a dark sexual obsession about allegedly ultra-virile Muslim male bodies and overfertile Muslim female ones, that inspire and sustain the figures of paranoia and revenge.

"As Sarkar says, the incitement to violence is suffused with anxiety about male sexuality, and the treatment of women that resulted seems to enact a fantasy of sexual sadism far darker than mere revenge. In an affidavit submitted to the Commission of Enquiry in June 2002, the leading feminist legal activist Flavia Agnes testified that although sexual crime is a common part of communal violence, the “scale and extent of atrocities perpetrated upon innocent Muslim women during the recent violence, far exceeds any reported sexual crime during any previous riots in the country in the post-independence period."
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
12/D-35
Jun 27, 2010
06:46 AM
With sobering stories like those of Nandini Sundar, Marha Nussbaum (as recounted by Anwaar)and Hepastion, we should, even as we point fingers at other nations such as Pakistan and Afghanistan who treat sections of their society disgracefully, admit we have a lot of moral and social ground to cover ourselves .
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
13/D-51
Jun 27, 2010
10:40 AM
@joshua miranda, sudarshan, are you denying that the salwa judum is raping and killing civilians or that it has been given free rein by the government? or are you denying its very existence? or are you saying because the maoists are killing security personnel, civilians living in those areas are fair game for rape and murder?
you should be writing this rubbish to foxnews; it'll gleefully accept your defence of our "brave troops."
radhanath varadan
hanoi, vietnam
14/D-55
Jun 27, 2010
11:28 AM
Radhanath - "are you denying that the salwa judum is raping and killing civilians or that it has been given free rein by the government? or are you denying its very existence? "

You talk as if these are fundamental truths. For how many years have you lived in tribal areas? Have you seen the women being raped? How is that the mainstream media or journalists with credibility like Sainath dont take up these issues?. What happened to the Shopian case? every "Civil rights Actor" jumped the bandwagon, Kashmir burnt for a few weeks,in the end it was proved to be fabricated.

http://beta.thehindu...ead/article71564.ece

First the maoist were tribals with bow and arrows then they were innocent child soldiers, now they are innocent women being raped.

Do you belive PC or home ministry would have asked PTI to malign Arundhati? ridiculous.In my eyes the maoist brigade has no credibility.

I dont believe that rape is used as a instrument of state policy. If there are rogue elements in the security forces they should be dealt with firmly.
sudharshan
madras, india
15/D-56
Jun 27, 2010
11:28 AM
Radhanath - "are you denying that the salwa judum is raping and killing civilians or that it has been given free rein by the government? or are you denying its very existence? "

You talk as if these are fundamental truths. For how many years have you lived in tribal areas? Have you seen the women being raped? How is that the mainstream media or journalists with credibility like Sainath dont take up these issues?. What happened to the Shopian case? every "Civil rights Actor" jumped the bandwagon, Kashmir burnt for a few weeks,in the end it was proved to be fabricated.

http://beta.thehindu...ead/article71564.ece

First the maoist were tribals with bow and arrows then they were innocent child soldiers, now they are innocent women being raped.

Do you belive PC or home ministry would have asked PTI to malign Arundhati? ridiculous.In my eyes the maoist brigade has no credibility.

I dont believe that rape is used as a instrument of state policy. If there are rogue elements in the security forces they should be dealt with firmly.
sudharshan
madras, india
16/D-67
Jun 27, 2010
12:40 PM
A fat rich man came out of an up-scale Park Street restaurant after dinner with his family & a street archin of a baloon-seller approached him , may be with the idea to sell a few baloons. The man had his own truculent idea of fun; he deflated some ballons with his burning cigarette & drove awya without even throwing a few coins.

"It was as if this act illuminated each cruelty by the rich and powerful, whether unthinking or coldly calculated. Everything from Bhopal to Niyamgiri came into stark clarity under that searchlight. In turn, every kind of protest, lawful and unlawful, wise and foolish, suddenly became comprehensible: when faced with the irrational brutality of the upper class, why should anyone expect the underclass to react with fairness, logic and elegance? In fact, in the face of such constant brutality — the relentless kicks in the bellies of the poor — it is astounding that there isn’t more rage, that people don’t shatter the windscreens of SUVs with well-aimed stones, don’t set upon the unwary rich kid and take away his mobile and motorbike." ( - Rucchir Joshi in today's The Telegraph)

There will be difference between the rich & powerful with not so rich & not so powerful . More so with the poor & totally disempowered. That 's way social order is set. But Indian rich & the powerful wants it all & some fun out of brutality of being rich & powerful or brutal way they became rich & powerful.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
17/D-74
Jun 27, 2010
03:15 PM
Ruchika Girhotra is fortunate to receive posthumous coverage of the media that has brought some relief to the family and friends. Her tormentor SPS Rathore will spend few months more in the jail.
But not all, if particularly those who belong to the underprivileged sections of the society, are favoured by the media as Ruchika in distress as hers.
The girl slung from a bamboo, hands and legs tied, presents a gory picture of the State of West Bengal. The whole tribal communities have been thrown to the embrace of Maoists thanks to the vigorous paramilitary offensive. All the arrested, men as well as women, including those who have fallen to brutalities of bullets strangely bear the surnames "Mahto" barring exception in rarest of rare cases during the last few months after the arrest of Chatradhar Mahto and murder of Lalmoham Mahto. These two among others were the leading lights of the Peoples Committee Against Police Atrocities (PCPA) in West Bengal.
The country, it may not be surprising, would find it difficult to reclaim these tribal communities back in the mainstream. They stand alienated. We are gulity of thier alienation.
Sometime back, readers might have read the interview of Vishwa Ranjan, Director General of Police, Chattisgarh who is a poet. He had prided that his men were working in the region with cooperation of the tribals. The sham is exposed. The West Bengal tribals might not be facing fare no better.
Those interested in the agonies of the tribals may please glance through a small piece by Gladson Dungdun under caption "Am I a Maoist" and draw his/her own conclusion.
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
18/D-95
Jun 27, 2010
06:03 PM
I am sure Mr Chidambaram is aware of the going's-on of the police force, which serves under the auspices of his ministry. I hope, that the name and reputation of the minister, his ministry, and the Government of India, is not bismirched any further, because I would be ashamed to be associated with them, however distantly we may be connected, as the representatives of government, and the subjects of government, who vote the government to power. If the police force indulge in rape, then how should they be regarded?
Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
19/D-98
Jun 27, 2010
06:40 PM
mb says

"That was the aborigin's trophy. The civilised side of the coin is carrying back it's own trophy - a dead woman suspended on a pole, her feet & hands trussed to it. "

this is weak, Mr Banerjee. What you see is how underequipped paramilitary forces operate. They don't have stretchers. I've seen pictures of dead soldiers carried like ragged dolls. This is a rough country.

Or would you have preferred that they left this women's body to rot?
MK Saini
Delhi, India
20/D-110
Jun 27, 2010
07:54 PM
The article by Prof Sundar is a sad statement on India today. But the comments of some readers are educational. As their correspondence seeks to dehumanise tribals and Maoists, so too did correspondents in response to Gautam Navlakha's recent article on Kashmir seek to dehumanise Muslims. Mr Anwaar is right to remind us about Tanika Sarkar's EPW article on Gujarat.
kannan srinivasan
melbourne, Australia
21/D-116
Jun 27, 2010
08:18 PM
"But the comments of some readers are educational. As their correspondence seeks to dehumanise tribals and Maoists, so too did correspondents in response to Gautam Navlakha's recent article on Kashmir seek to dehumanise Muslims." KANNAN SRINIVASAN

There is hope for this country - indeed for human civilisation - if people like Kannan, Manish, Dr Rajan, Ashok, Hepastion, Anwaar and others are to be found even in these times.
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
22/D-119
Jun 27, 2010
09:13 PM
"There is hope for this country - indeed for human civilisation - if people like Kannan, Manish, Dr Rajan, Ashok, Hepastion, Anwaar and others are to be found even in these times."

Mr David, you somehow forgot to include yourself in this collection of humanity among the barbarians. But what country are you referring to? Australia? A rich country that lives off its coal and iron ore mines (never mind the aborigines and who owned the land), and where opportunistic Indians migrate to. Or India? Just to make things clear.
MK Saini
Delhi, India
23/D-127
Jun 27, 2010
10:13 PM
dear saini
it was a medal/an acheivement which was carried and not the noble inetention to give the body its due honours.it was not the photo taken by india today/outlook/ndtv/ibn live etc but by the troops themselves to showcase their acheivements. the other photo of a captured maoist was a mentally retarded deaf and dumb teen which ms sundar has forgotten to mention.
ganapathi
chennai, India
24/D-128
Jun 27, 2010
10:13 PM
dear saini
it was a medal/an acheivement which was carried and not the noble intention to give the body its due honours.it was not the photo taken by india today/outlook/ndtv/ibn live etc but by the troops themselves to showcase their acheivements. the other photo of a captured maoist was a mentally retarded deaf and dumb teen which ms sundar has forgotten to mention.
ganapathi
chennai, India
25/D-131
Jun 27, 2010
10:34 PM
@ganapathi

If you look closely the troops are bringing up atleast 2 other bodies trussed up in a similar fashion.

I don't know who took this picture. It is a rather insensitive method of carrying dead bodies of your enemies. Perhaps the photo was taken because Maoists seem to remove the bodies of their dead compatriots. In the rough and ready approach of the paramilitary forces, this constitutes "proof".

Maybe if we cut the lavish funding of all these sociologists and gave the forces more equipment, such situations could be avoided. But our priorities are always skewed like this. Some upper caste types alway grab the cake.
MK Saini
Delhi, India
26/D-11
Jun 28, 2010
02:02 AM
Sadly, ethos of police in India has continued to be what was evolved during British raj to emphasise the master slave relationship.Probably, it is so because we continued to be governed by those who admired britishers and were in too much awe of them ,to do away with the ills of british system.
AMITABH
PANAJI GOA, India
27/D-13
Jun 28, 2010
02:10 AM
Well,I guess the Maoists have played into the hands of the author by plotting some fanciful stories & had them rendered by fictious victims ......
hari
chennai, India
28/D-33
Jun 28, 2010
06:59 AM
".......Well,I guess the Maoists have played into the hands of the author by plotting some fanciful stories & had them rendered by fictious victims........"

Both the Maoists and security forces are to blame - truth lies somewhere in between; meanwhile common people are facing the brunt.

When we often hear complaints of ill treatment and molestation of women in even metros like Mumbai and Delhi by our policemen then it is anyone's guess of the exploitation that would be happening in underdeveloped states like jharkhand
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mumbai, India
29/D-47
Jun 28, 2010
09:11 AM
A.K. Biswas,
>>All the arrested, men as well as women, including those who have fallen to brutalities of bullets strangely bear the surnames "Mahto"

Tribals don't carry "Mahto" surnames. In W.Bengal and Jharkhand region, Mahtos are OBCs. Apart from solid base among SC/STs, Maoists seem to have influence in significant portion of the OBCs.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
30/D-49
Jun 28, 2010
09:47 AM
The picture says about the Indian civilization... more specifically, the uncivilized Hindu civilization of 5000 years.
Dr Dang
Kolkata, India
31/D-50
Jun 28, 2010
10:05 AM
And Indian wonder why Arjun Kalia's body was mutilated by Pakistanis... well... are Indians more civilized? At least Pakistanis soldiers did not treat the dead women the way Indian soldiers treated their own. THANK YOU PAKISTANIS!!!! I will piss on an Indian flag the next time I come across one!
Dr Dang
Kolkata, India
33/D-77
Jun 28, 2010
01:22 PM
@Dung,
I'm not surprised by the comment.
No, Pakistanis don't do that, they raped 200,000 women in what they regarded as their own territory in 1971.
They continue to do so in Baluchistan.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
34/D-79
Jun 28, 2010
01:49 PM
uncivilized Hindu civilization
Make up your mind, Dung.
Why single out Indian civilization, Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization, and today Baghdad faces suicide attacks every day.
Or if you find the Pakis a civil people, you can settle there, we can do very well without the likes of you.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
35/D-88
Jun 28, 2010
02:35 PM
friends,

there is a lot of bitterness in this forum, but no hope. we can either despair about what has happened or try to set the future right.

all wars are very animal in nature, as they revolve around killing other human beings. this is where human rights end. wars must be fought to end wars, that too when no other option is available. otherwise, why will someone be willingly ready to sacrifice their life.

the purpose of a forum should be to discuss possible solutions to set the systems right. in my personal opinion, any humanitarian or just solution will involve the bigger party taking up a more benevolent three step approach.

1. they should regain the lost trust by
a) identifying and acknowledging the wrong, and the associated hurt.
b) control the forces from indulging in war against humanity.

2. heal the wounds by
c) providing justice, and
d) engaging the victims in personal & social development.

3) most importantly, strengthen our internal monitoring system, to ensure that those with power dont exploit it. the fear of law must prevail, through a strong judicial system and its rigorous enforcement.

often negotiations fail, because focus is on what we want. imagine a situation, where negotiators focus on what they can give.

lastly, i know my home is strong when my family bonds well, and no neighbor can interfere. unfortunately thats not the case with india.

i know its easier said then done; but indian government must give hope to its people. rural india is more than just a vote bank. we can live with politicians, but where are the leaders?

can anyone forward links to news articles that list demands of the so called naxalites. i haven't seen any, been trying to find more information on this.

proud to be an indian.
Rajan Vaish
delhi, India
36/D-95
Jun 28, 2010
03:38 PM
@Rajan Vansh,
The real culprit is the lack of governance, there is a deficit in the no of civil servants in India.
There is one IAS for quarter of a million in India, in the tribal belt it is even worse,
Unless we expand the beauraucracy, there is little hope to defeat this insurgency.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
37/D-96
Jun 28, 2010
03:55 PM
Where are those of Barkha Dutts... Mukharjees..and like? Why it so silence now?? Where is all that condemning industry??
Dare they come and defend there silence!
Raj
Chandigarh, India
38/D-99
Jun 28, 2010
05:01 PM
Indian Army at its best.
Gregory Evans
Kerala, India
39/D-100
Jun 28, 2010
05:02 PM
This trophie of Operation Green Hunt goes to P. Chidambaram, Home Minister, GOI.
Rajesh
Sydney, Australia
40/D-108
Jun 28, 2010
07:18 PM
Nandini Sundar should be a happy girl today .
Worried over loosing public support for Maoist terrorists after their blowing up the Bus and mass murder of sleeping passengers in a train - found an opportunity of soldiers carrying dead terrorists , probably for miles from a jungle with nothing but woods from the jungle at their disposal .
Now that you have got hold of a photo with security men and a dead woman how do you get the most out of it ? talk about rapes from 2007 / 2008 and somehow relate the photo to rapes ( not least calling the dead terrrorist as a trophy and sub-titling the article as rape is routine )
Afterall the figleaf for killing people and taking over the country is alleged rapes and exploitation . Maoists are not to be seen as aggressors , ( as they are seen after each terrorist attack) they are supposed to be the victimis , intellectuals should do our part by connecting dead terrorists if they are female to claims of rape so that the foot soldiers like in this forum get something to believe in their cause , atleast till the next terrorist attack .
pradeep
chennai, India
41/D-111
Jun 28, 2010
07:49 PM
@ narendera

yes i agree that lack of governance is also one problem.

the lower level govt officers like bdo, tehsildar etc have a more important role to play. they should be made accountable for their region. they need to do more than just move around in cars with flashing lights.

the structure exists, but systems to enforce checks & balances need to be put in place. exploiters of government's power in them should be dealt with firmly, and quickly.
Rajan Vaish
delhi, India
42/D-113
Jun 28, 2010
07:57 PM
>> Narendra

>> The real culprit is the lack of governance, there is a deficit in the no of civil servants in India.

You are so right. A lot of people are all over the news along with the author blaming civil society, middle class but carefully protecting Sonia Dienasty and sycophantic CON party.

The crux of the problem is the failure of Governance. Let us start with our Law and Order and Legal systems. Who are they accontable to? People? forget it.

Can a young woman go to police station alone with no backup? Can a man go to police station complain about Shiv Sena goon or CON party goon or CPM goon or Laloo party goon or BJP goon and expect to survive? Can a middle class person or lower middle class or poor person expect justice in this country unless they have a backing from their caste leader or union leader or some political support?

The answer to all these questions is NO.

Why can't the author or outlook or the media address the serious breakdown of law and order, justice, the legislature, the executive?

Instead of creating propaganda to expand Naxalite reach, why don't these enuchs think about the problem as a whole? How can we reform our political system? How can we seperate the executve, legislature and judiciary? How can we make the law and order accountable to people isntead of politicians? Why should political parties give tickets to anyone? Why can't the party members elect their candidates? Why don't we try serious police and judicial reforms to elect the administrators directly instead of appointments by loser politicians? Why doesn't the judiciary independent of the chamcha Govts?

Unless we seriously introspect our system and begin to address the serious deficiencies in our system, we will be a utter failure.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
43/D-122
Jun 28, 2010
09:06 PM
I took this as being very indian(very mainstream indian).
I think it'll take 1000 yrs for indians to come out of such attitude practically.
Many ppl r justifying it.
Many ppl r complaining of why show this bitter truth--sadly it's just a fraction,the obvious.Think,NE,Kashmir.
Opportunist,hard-working indians wants to be German kids who lead a happy,normal life while their parents(indian govt)did the dirty holocaust hidden from them.
Oh,sorry...they have so much of headache--frequent fights with cheating autowallah,career,boss,dowry,EMI,US,etc...so,govt should be more stable...so,they'll understand if govt is more lethal...so,a german child has become a german mother in the times of WW2.
Germans,Russians and others have commited mass and repeated rapes during wars...why can't other indians understand this fact?
Germans want living space for their 80 millions population...indians wants development.Both r ruthless in their pursuit.
Indian have refined concentration camp as Salwa judum...it's not new..it was practised before to Mizos and others.
Govt approved...media will never put direct question to Chid about all these...at the most media can beat around the bush in a mild way.
Superiority of German race is evident of Brahmin/mainstream indians treating the tribals/lower caste in every sphere of daily life.
Leave the Govt....i think,Civilian indians have indirectly wage WORLD WAR 2 upon tribals/lower caste indians.
It's an open secret Civilian germans supported Hitler during ww2 times.
Now,we all can wait of the bollywood movie on hitler that's coming up.And be normal.
reisang
delhi, India
44/D-126
Jun 28, 2010
09:48 PM
>> Govt approved...media will never put direct question to Chid about all these...at the most media can beat around the bush in a mild way.

You have all the agents in the media. What happened to them? Arundhati?


>>Superiority of German race is evident of Brahmin/mainstream indians treating the tribals/lower caste in every sphere of daily life.

There goes the lefty liberal rant.

Mayawati does the same. Laloo does the same. Mulyam does the same. Sonia does the same. Rahul does the same. Advani does the same.

Don't you morons love these low caste or dienastic crooks?

Have you ever questioned why it happens? It happens because we only choose a different crook. It is all about how handsome Rahul baba looks, how bootiful Priyanka looks, how great the dynasty is. Madam appoints every one and nominates losers for MPs/MLAs. Advany does the same. Laloo does the same. Maya, Mulyam all do the same. They all want the police to serve their families. CBI is manipulated. The media is quite because SOnia/Rahul baba is involved. No one can file a case and take the Govt. head on because judiciary, Law&Order machinery, executive and legislature are all under one person.


>>Leave the Govt....i think,Civilian indians have indirectly wage WORLD WAR 2 upon tribals/lower caste indians.

BOZO! Half of the states are ruled by lower caste/backward caste leaders only. All of them behave the same. There is no difference between Maya or Sonia or Advani. They all want power. You can be an upper caste or lower caste or leftist or rightwing. When you get power, you will become
the same because that is how the system is built with no reforms since 1947. When an amendment is made, it is only made to deceive people or to help DIEnasty. The examples galore: women's bill is a stupid symbolic act. But all liberal hijras fell for it.

>> It's an open secret Civilian germans supported Hitler during ww2 times.
Now,we all can wait of the bollywood movie on hitler that's coming up.And be normal.

blah blah blah ...

If the leftist jijras develop brain slighly bigger than peanut, they will realize that common people are as helpless as any one else. The left hijras should come up with something better than blowing up trains and buses to convince people to join their struggle.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
45/D-131
Jun 28, 2010
10:39 PM
>>Superiority of German race is evident of Brahmin/mainstream indians treating the tribals/lower caste in every sphere of daily life.

There goes the lefty liberal rant.

Mayawati does the same. Laloo does the same. Mulyam does the same. Sonia does the same. Rahul does the same. Advani does the same.

Don't you morons love these low caste or dienastic crooks?
Vivek,
Fully agree with you,
of all the ridiculous far left rants I've come across, this one takes the cake.
Look,
Lefties, Provide a link which proves that the Dalits are so economically backward, so as to justify violence.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
46/D-134
Jun 28, 2010
10:52 PM
@Narendra
Hyderabad, India

Pakis may have raped 2000 million Baluchi women but did they treat the dead women the way Indians in uniform did? If they do, I will spit on them as well.

Do not justify bad behavior. If something is bad for one, have the moral courage to accept that it is bad for everyone. Especially is some civilization is posing to be highly civilized, it should display civilized behavior. The picture is a slap on Indian womanhood. That lady hanging from the pole is your mother, your sister, your daughter. You would not want to see your mother's, sister's or daughter's dead body be treated that way.
Dr Dang
Kolkata, India
47/D-140
Jun 28, 2010
11:25 PM
>>Pakis may have raped 2000 million Baluchi women but did they treat the dead women the way Indians in uniform did? If they do, I will spit on them as well.

Are you kidding me? They are not holding them to show them off to perverse media of their superiority. They don't have any equipment to carry the dead bodies.


>> Do not justify bad behavior. If something is bad for one, have the moral courage to accept that it is bad for everyone. Especially is some civilization is posing to be highly civilized, it should display civilized behavior.

The police are given a stick to fight people with AK-47s. They are not given any ambulances or boxes to carry the dead. The people in unifrom are innovating to clean up the place. Meanwhile our central Govt. idiots returned 7000 crores allocated to equip the police back to Govt. because the bozos in Delhi pressured them so that CON party and their friends can spend the money on some scheme that can be siphoned off using their network.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
48/D-142
Jun 28, 2010
11:40 PM
@VIvek
Hyderabad, India

- They are not given any ambulances or boxes to carry the dead.

Every Indian village from Kashmir to Kanyakumari since last 5000 years use charpoys/khatiya to carry their their dead. If you have a tree and some grass nearby, you can make one.
Dr Dang
Kolkata, India
49/D-145
Jun 28, 2010
11:54 PM
its funny to see lot of experts over here commenting on how poor the crpf is in buying stretchers/how 7000 crores was returned without buying stretchers etc
a portable foldable stertcher weighing less than 6 kg is available for 1800 rs(the annual allotment to buy medicines locally apart from the centrally issued ones runs into several thousand evry month) and there r stretchers issued as part of stores with evry company.they r trained to make stretchers out of their belts and clothes in emergency.

would they have carried an injured/dead colleague in the same manner.
ganapathi
chennai, India
52/D-51
Jun 29, 2010
10:11 AM
@AJT65
The trouble is that we don't get graphic images of dead children in the train attack in this magazine.
But even if it did, I'm assured you left wing hypocrites will blame the Brahmins/Baniyas for their plight.

The reason why they don't put them in prison is because they actually live in India, and value such liberty because they are at greater risk of losing it than someone who lives in San Francisco, enjoying the luxuries of the capitalist United states, but would support Marxist/Maoist ideology.
Kishenji deserves more respect than parasites like you, at least he lives through, what he advocates.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
53/D-53
Jun 29, 2010
10:35 AM
@Rajan and Vivek,
You're right,
We Indians don't use our brains while thinking, we don't even listen to our hearts, we use narcotics, the fact that this family is favored in India, despite its utter failure to develop this nation(Should you know that the number of Illeterate people has increased since indpendence)strenghtens my argument.
As stated by CDR Vishwanathan, what we Indians need to do is to get our priorities right.
We've had a green revolution, the white revolution, now we need the Gray revolution, unless we raise the percentage of Iliteracy and Secondary graduates, there is little hope.
We, the middle class should also vote, to let the Politicians know that educated folk are starting to get serious.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
54/D-57
Jun 29, 2010
11:18 AM
@ vivek,narendra(43,44)...
I agree i've been near the edge but it wasn't off the truth too...there r many who r more critical than both of u and even openly supporting war rapes...if what i've said is not true it wouldn't stay within u but plz don't run away/brush aside/downplay it/postpone it/counter-equate it/exucse with ur helplessness and the many personal problems...take time and face it.
This is not about left,centre or right...it's not about blaming those in power or foot soldiers...it's about facing the issue and it start from ur conscience.
Roy helped by her profile is wat the govt can tolerate most...even then she can't stop Chid from intensifying the present war...
There lies the danger of counter-equation of u ppl...Take women issue for example again...
Sexual abuse of women in a male-dominated workplace...laws,rights activist,media and almost all structure in some way favour women in this regard but still justice is a far cry....now shall we counter-equate here too?--say some women r misusing it...some women r CEOs...some women from the same workplace marry men willingly....it's being too feminist...Shall our discussion not be on ultimate justice but stop at counter-equation?...the day we counter-equate we justify sexual abuse of women in work place indirectly.
The real issue doesn't lie with govt and media projection...if u r supporting rule of the land it sounds good but many maybe acting like hitler and u become the ultimate german civilian in WW2 times.
Why r kashmiri willing to die in mass-protest even after more than 60 yrs of independence?...Should we let 6000 yrs for this problem to settle?...Iam tired of pakistan angle(true but could pk did the same in UP?)...iam tired of projecting CM/pillai omar's law-and -order problem...If the kashmiri ppl consider Omar an insignificant player in their issue accept it,listen to the ppl voice and face the issue.
Counter-equation and staying neutral means supporting the more powerful...But should we counter-equate and remain neutral even in the face of such picture?...Should we say it's ok to fcuk ur relatives at night when electricity is out?
reisang
delhi, India
55/D-61
Jun 29, 2010
11:35 AM
@Reisang,
We have a rather ridiculous attitude towards the "honor" women, we raise hue and cry if a girl chooses to wear a dress above her ankles.
But turn a blind eye to the millions of prostitutes(many of whom include children), and dowry burnings, this attitude needs to change.
As for the remainder of your post, I've already expressed my concer at the deficit in babus for good civil administration in our country.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
57/D-75
Jun 29, 2010
01:07 PM
@AJT65
Read my reply to Reisang, you'll know my stand on women rights.
If you think my reply to you was to justify rape, then keep smoking what you have there, it's very potent.
I was, however, talking about the fact that the pseudo intellectual here, was using the photograph to indicate that the rapes by security personell are the norm, instead of aberrations, should they commit it, then they should indeed be executed, the armed forces and mother earth could use less of these guys.
But as for trussing that woman up,
Keep in mind that she was trying to kill them, combat is 99% boredom 1% terror, not matter what you do, you can't simulate what troops go through when they are in combat.
They didn't have those strechers,thanks to the resources provided to them.
They didn't go through the trouble of producing strechers for someone who was trying to kill them, possible killed one of their mates.
Should it be justified, i don't know, But yes, it should be understood.
The author can serve in combat in pathetic living conditions and then judge these men.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
58/D-82
Jun 29, 2010
03:15 PM
Rajesh,

Tribals don't carry "Mahto" surnames. In W.Bengal and Jharkhand region, Mahtos are OBCs. Apart from solid base among SC/STs, Maoists seem to have influence in significant portion of the OBCs.

Sometime back veteran CPM leader Biman Bose, state secretary, West Bengal unit, had taunted that Chatradhar Mahto was not a tribal. So, how could he champion their cause? was the implication of the leader.

We have not heard of Chandradhar Mahto quite sometime.
But the basic question remains that though Mahtos are not tribals, still they have been fighting for the cause of tribals. It, therefore, opens up a new chapter in political activism and thought of the country where Jats fight for Jats, Gujjars for Gujjars. In pre-independence days, the upper caste fought in the name of the masses but harvested benifits for them in exclusion of all others. One may feel this is a very narrow view of the political class, some of whom were towering personalities. True, but common man except a handful have not gained anything.

The present struggle of the tribals in West Bengal is certainly a break from the past tradition. A new chapter indeed.
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
59/D-100
Jun 29, 2010
07:46 PM
>> @AJT65 ... The simple answer is no. Trussing up this murdered woman satisfies impotent right wing rage. Its a message being sent out by our professionally trained forces (probably trained by ex-nazis or israel). Instead of throwing these fuckers behind bars we give them medals

I get it.. Any body patriotic enough to defend this country is a right winger for hijra like you who sits in a foreign country and enjoying the life and security offfered by them.

You, of all the people sitting and enjoying your life in the US, feel entitled to give lectures about human rights.

Every one sits and judges on some ill-trained, low-morale police who have no guns or guns with no bulltes or who doesn't even go through proper conduct training. They are what they are. These people are given the least attention until a crisis hits and this is how they deal with it.

The people like you have to bring in Israel or Nazis into every conversation instead of identifying the real problem because you can blame it all on "THEM". It is too complicated for loonies on the left to understand that Democracy is a continuous process. You put a process in placec. People will figure out a way to screw it up. Then you have to reform. It is easy to go blow up buses and derail trains and kill linnocent people in bomb blasts and shout "Inquilab zindabad". That's what you and your Goddess Arundhati support.

The fuckers of COMMIE Bengal do train the police the same way as the BJP in K'taka or Maya in UP or Laloo or Mulyam or CON party in AP. There is no right-wing or leftiwing about it. The COMMIES in Bengal send their cadres and Police to burn their opponents alive. That is the life in India. The left does it. The right does it. The centrists do it. The low castes do it. The high castes do it. The Muslims do it. All they need is an opportunity and local strength.


>> All it takes is one picture to short-circuit the brains of right-wing nuts and render them speechless. Its a testament to the power of visual imagery. At least outlook had the courage to print this image. Not a single American Media outlet (including left-leaning ones) will show an American being trussed up and paraded by American soldiers nor will they show images of dead American soldiers since American Media is so severely compromised.

Yet call yourself a liberal and sit in America and enjoy your life. I don't know about everybody but your brain is defintely short circuited. The article and picture are totally about different topics. The author cleverly interposed them to entice crackpots like you to explode. You are having a verbal diarrhea by looking at the picture. A lot of people are doing the same here. The media in the US manipulates news to help the public opinion against their adversaries and suppress their own atrocities. The media in India suppresses news about terrorists and enemies but cleverly manipulates news against our own police to create anti-nationa fervor. That is India in essence. When it comes to complicated policy issues, blame it on Hindus or upper castes or BJP and their work and your work is all done. You don't need to discuss why there are police reforms for 60 years and how the state/central Govt. use these police force to serve the interests of ruling dynasty in Delhi or ruling clique in Bengal.


>> @Ganapathy: a portable foldable stertcher weighing less than 6 kg is available for 1800 rs(the annual allotment to buy medicines locally apart from the centrally issued ones runs into several thousand evry month) and there r stretchers issued as part of stores with evry company.

I see a lot of experts coming and explaining the cost of stretcher and how they are trained. May be your DMK minsiter pocketed all the money and sent them no stretchers just like your Chennai minister Raja who pocketed 60000 crores by selling 2G spectrum and giving the Govt. 2000 crores. May be he and his fellow IAS babus bought them on paper and tranferred all the money to the dynasty?

Do you know if they were avaialble at that time?

If they had stretchers, they would have carried them in stretchers since that is easier to carry than to bring a pole and tie the body to carry. Do you know if the stretchers have been shipped there?

Do I trust that this Govt. or some Babu sitting in Delhi and administering these forces has any ability to plan? The same Govt. that takes 36 hours to respond when Paki terrorists came and killing us in Mumbai. The same Govt. that sends CRPF to get killed like sitting ducks and then is not sure whether to fight Naxals or not. The same Govt that does not send reinforcements or helicopters because it worried about the image of their leaders while the CRPF is being attacked? I don't.



>> would they have carried an injured/dead colleague in the same manner

Have you seen a picture of how they are carrying their dead colleague? I have not since media did not publish it.

All the noise is about how the CRPF is carrying a dead woman. The picture shows some more bodies being carried the same way. They could be men. The media did not publish them because it does not get them enough mileage.

The first question I will ask is "Is she really a naxal fighting the Police with weapons or some innocent bystander? Was this an encounter of some poor innocent girl?" When Maoists kill CRPF forces with mines or derail trains or burn buses, the retaliation goes to innocent tribals. It is unfortunate but the real culprits are in the capital enjoying their crores.

If the CRPF had been trained properly with clear thinking, they would have taken care of those scums in Delhi or Lucknow or B'lore or Hyderabad etc. enjoying all the privileges.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
60/D-103
Jun 29, 2010
08:12 PM
This article merely exposes the grotesqueness of the corporate media. It has been well known and documented that "security" forces, especially in hinterlands indulge in encroachment of civil liberties under the protection of the government.
The fake encounters in Kashmir, the murder of our youngsters from Manipur and beating up of young lovers in Meerut are all expressions of the one integral rot that our security apparatus is.
However, when in some cases the aggressors are brought to headlines in some cases, in the ones that do not concern the middle or consumer class- the pattern is all too conspicuous - the media chooses to remain silent. It is the media, which enjoys the privilege and trust of being a impartial reporter, which is in a clear breach of trust by choosing to remain silent at such monstrosity unleashed on our countrymen.
And the pattern of its partiality makes it clear, whose payroll this umpire enjoys.
Varun Garde
Bengaluru, India
61/D-110
Jun 29, 2010
09:39 PM
Vivek, don't attack Raja and Karunanidhi, you'll be accused of being a upper caste bigot attacking lower caste Dalits.

The simple answer to you question is this,
This writer is after all, a writer, she and her kind never served in the Army, all these psudo intellectual scum want is to sell their story, no matter how outrageous the means.
Their budget is too small, and as for making strechers from wood and grass,
Heaven forbid they didn't take the trouble for a woman who was a threat to their lives.
But now, these scum will rejoice at the deaths of 26 CRPF men.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
62/D-114
Jun 29, 2010
10:18 PM
@REISANG
>> if what i've said is not true it wouldn't stay within u but plz don't run away/brush aside/downplay it/postpone it/counter-equate it/exucse with ur helplessness and the many personal problems...take time and face it.

No one brushed it or downplayed it. These are all horrible crimes. When army/police try to suppress an agitation or stone throwing clowns or Bus buring/Train derailing or Police killing Naxals, they don't deal with them softly. First, they are not trained to deal humaly because the guy above him just yells at them along the chain. They are not trained properly because no one cares about those aspects and for left this brings a good propaganda point.

>> This is not about left,centre or right...it's not about blaming those in power or foot soldiers...it's about facing the issue and it start from ur conscience.

The first comment here is "Amazed none of the right winger ve responded yet." from some BOZO. Then all the terrorist sympathizers, PAKI sympathizers started coming out with verbal diarrhea. I was in College campuses in Naxal dominated areas of AP where I saw the bozos on police and naxal side. How insenstitive these police are! How badly these people are trained to deal professionally and humanly! OTOH, I saw these Naxal crooks behaving the same way attacking police with bottle bombs for fun. I have seen how they recruit the first year grads in colleges especically SC/ST/BC students and how they brainwash them to turn against other castes/state/nation. Everything is fair in propaganda war.

When you keep killing police, they retaliate indiscrimately. The solutions lies in understanding the issues of Governance, Accountability and Institutional independence. The idea is to set up independent institutions that are directly elected and it starts with police, judges, prosecutors, and even Party candidates. The idea is to enforce the rule of all for everyone whether it is MP's son or MLA's son or poor person in a slum. Every official elected/unelected has to be accountable. You need a framework, training, and commitment to achieve it.

>> Roy helped by her profile is wat the govt can tolerate most...even then she can't stop Chid from intensifying the present war...

There are a lot of ways Roy with her profile can help address the situation. But she chooses only to provoke and help Maoist violence. If it is the tribal welfare that she and Maoists are interested, we all can come up with reasonable solutions.

First of all, I don't believe even for a second that Maoists are fighting for the tribal cause. The tribals are only their means to an end. The end is a "Pol Pot" or Maoist regime where the COMMUNIST party decides what is good for the individual and society even if it means that 100 million bourgeois has to be eliminated. The tribals and mining gives these VIOLENT EXTREMISTS a good cover and PROPAGANDA. There was no mining in AP 25 years back or 10 years. The naxal violence was very high that time. How do you explain that?

>> There lies the danger of counter-equation of u ppl...Take women issue for example again...
Sexual abuse of women in a male-dominated workplace...laws,rights activist,media and almost all structure in some way favour women in this regard but still justice is a far cry....

The counter equation comes into picture because these people are saying "STOP ALL DEVELOPMENT and PROVIDE EVERYTHING TO THESE TRIBALS. WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT BUT NO DAMS/MINING/FACTORIES." OTOH, Politicans are saying "WE NEED DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT WHICH WE CAN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING". They don't say it but they want their CUT in the MINING whether it is Laloo or Mulyam or Maya or Sonia or Advani.

Obviously, both parties can compromise and say "If you mine here or build a facotry in our land, we want roads, schools, hospitals build and need training for jobs and then jobs in those factories". We can come up with a proper arbitration system led by Arundhatis or even UN to monitor it. But the Naxals approach is different. They kill CRPF, derail trains, bomb buses, work with Islamic terrorists from Pukistan or Chinese murderers to stop the development as a way to trouble the common Indian. At the same time, they leave Sonias or Laloos or Mayas or Advanis alone. Have you ever seen the b1tch ARoy criticizing Sonia or Maya or Laloo? She was there holding a press conference defending Islamic TERRORISTS from PUKILAND in Mumbai on 11/26 and heaping abuse after abuse on India, Indians, Middle class folks imploring them to die loke DOGS but no where to be seen when trains are derailed by Naxals.



>> The real issue doesn't lie with govt and media projection...if u r supporting rule of the land it sounds good but many maybe acting like hitler and u become the ultimate german civilian in WW2 times.

What about terrrosists and Moaists plotting like POL POT or STALIN or MAO waiting for an opportunity to KILL/MAIM MILLIONS to set up their dream land where no one has to work hard and everything has to be avaialble free.

>>Why r kashmiri willing to die in mass-protest even after more than 60 yrs of independence?...Should we let 6000 yrs for this problem to settle?...Iam tired of pakistan angle(true but could pk did the same in UP?)...iam tired of projecting CM/pillai omar's law-and -order problem...

They fight in the name of democracy and equal rights and once they get your freedom eliminate every other human who is not like them, the PUKISTANI way. This is what those thugs want. In the name of democracy, they want to separate. Once they achieve it, they will eliminate every other non-muslim as PUKIS did. Is that OK? Would it be OK if 85% Hindus in K'taka decide to eliminate 10% MUSLIMS and 5% minorities? When thousands of terrorists infiltrate into the country and the locals join them to kill law enforcement, the struggle will continue.

There are rapes, molestations, murders by the army. They have to be investigated and punished which is happening a lot now a days than 15 years back.

Heard of Karachi Project? PUKIS want to set up hundreds of cells all over India to do this in UP, Bihar, Kerala, AP (and NE helped by demographic alteration by immigration from B'Desh). They are on their way. The only silver light is every where I see in Hyderabad, Muslims are educating themselves to take advantage of opportunities that are being created by DEVELOPMENT which is opposed by the likes of ARoy.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
63/D-123
Jun 29, 2010
10:57 PM
While the picture is sad, it does not tell the full story and the context. The author while blaming media for going hyper, herself does the same thing. She picks up a photo that she can use and go all out thrashing the state and supporting the maoist thugs. Interestingly I see in the photo that the CRPF are carrying some more bodies and also I do not see from their faces that they are actually taking pride in this. I would like to know the context surrounding this photo. Also what is procedure for CRPF to bring the dead people including their own ?

Also it would make sense for outlook if they can publish stories from both sides instead of this one sided stories for a JNU leftist.
Maha
NJ, United States
64/D-134
Jun 29, 2010
11:43 PM
@A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India

and

Rajesh

Mahato/Mahto/Mehto/Mahata (variants based on state/location), are not tribals per se. In fact, in West Bengal, they were considered under "General" category for all official purposes. They got into the "OBC" category recently. In Jharkhand and Bihar they were under "OBC" for a longer time. They are basically Kurmis who are farmers by profession. Kurmis are considered under "OBC" in UP, Gujarat, Maharashtra, AP and everywhere else I guess.

Kurmis for thousands of years have been identified as farmers during peace time and foot soldiers during war. That is their basic background. The Mahatos of Jharkhand/West Bengal come from the foot soldier cum farmer stock who came to the region during the muslim invasion period. Some of them stayed on or ran away into the forests and had assimilated themselves as part of the tribal society as they had to survive among them. They cleared the forests to make agricultural land fit for cultivation in the Chhotanagpur/Manbhum area. Tribals and Mahatos never followed any sort of casteism among themselves during the integration except for marriages. They became a part of the tribal life and society and lived as farmers. Their social rituals are partly sankritized, partly tribal. They will die for their ancestral land.

Trouble started after Buddha sold their land to the Jindal Group in Salboni, Midnapore. Buddha's convoy got hit by a mine planted by Maoists in that area. Buddha's goons in uniform ransacked the Mahato/tribal villages, raping their women, beating up their old, killing their young in the name of curbing Maoism. The upper-caste controlled West Bengal govt. never treated the Mahatos as part of the Bengali society. They were treated as tribals and the Mahatos never cared about it either. They lived in their own world of farming and rural life. They seldom have social interaction with Bengalis and do not identify themselves as Bengalis though they speak a b@stardized version of Bengali which is a mix of Bengali and Hindi since they were in a region bordering Bengal and Bihar. Mahatos marry among Mahatos (the gotra differentiates them, not the surname). A Mahato will marry a Mahato lastname but a Katiyar will not marry another Katiyar because they have the same blood-line. That is why, everyone is a Mahato and whoever was arrested in the train accident case was a Mahato. At the end of the day, it is about caste. Since most of the people affected adversely belong to a particular caste and most people getting benefit belong to the Brahmin-Baniya-Kayasth caste.

Hope this gives you a better picture of the social architecture in that area.
Raj
Chicago, United States
65/D-138
Jun 29, 2010
11:58 PM
dear vivek
its a grossfailure of the local leadership of crpf if they dont have stretchers as they get lakhs for buying medicine.blaming it on central leadership/state govt/babus shows ignorance.the govt gives money for buying their rations and tomorrow some one will come with stories that crpf are starved.the responsibility of providing food/shelter/primary first aid/first line of medical management is with the unit head and he is provided with trained battle field nursing assts.
it just requires another log to tie the body in straight posture and carried by the same two as she is not alive.its stupid to argue that one can understand why they r bringing a dead women like that.its the way animals r carried after being hunted by the tribals and the govt/forces wanted to send a message that they will be hunted and treated like animals.there r rules to be followed on how to treat a prisoner of war/dead enemy etc and its part of their training.
ganapathi
chennai, India
66/D-139
Jun 29, 2010
11:59 PM
Nandini needs to differentiate issues. One is the action of Salva Judum and the SPOs, who are from the same community, where inter-tribal vengeance and rivalry is rampant. Rape and torture reported in this article is clearly attributed to SPOs and NOT to CRPF. The next issue is the action of the CRPF. Here comes the difference.

The way the Naxals are laying ambushes and killing CRPF personnel is a clear indication that the body carried by the troopers is that of a ruthless killer, who unfortunately happens to be a woman. When the CRPF goes on patrolling, search and destroy camps of these enemies of the state, they go with barest minimum extra equipment, least of all stretchers or coffins even for their own comrades. When these soldiers are killed, their bodies have to rot in the jungle till reinforcements or rescue parties arrive. What Nandini has not seen is the fact that instead of leaving the bodies of the dead enemy in the jungle to be eaten by scavenger birds and animals, these soldiers are bringing the bodies with whatever implements they harness in jungles. You have not seen the efforts of these soldiers, but only seen the way they are brought. And mind you, it is NOT a trophy they are bringing in. If the author had investigated how these bodies are disposed, she would find that the bodies brought back to the camp by jawans are sent for identification and to inform their next of kins. If no kins are found, they are given proper burial or cremation. I do not know what the writer has achieved by portraying the picture that she has, except putting the lable "inhuman villains taking delight in their trophies." That is totally unfair to the soldiers who are putting their lives on line, fighting these inhuman killers.

While I abhor the atrocities committed by Salva Judum, SPOs and their likes, I cannot but feel sad about the negative portrayal of the brave soldiers who have left their homes in UP, the South and such far away places to die in a hostile jungle. I only wish you were fair to these men in uniform.
gypsycapt
Los Angeles, United States
67/D-140
Jun 29, 2010
11:59 PM
Nandini needs to differentiate issues. One is the action of Salva Judum and the SPOs, who are from the same community, where inter-tribal vengeance and rivalry is rampant. Rape and torture reported in this article is clearly attributed to SPOs and NOT to CRPF. The next issue is the action of the CRPF. Here comes the difference.

The way the Naxals are laying ambushes and killing CRPF personnel is a clear indication that the body carried by the troopers is that of a ruthless killer, who unfortunately happens to be a woman. When the CRPF goes on patrolling, search and destroy camps of these enemies of the state, they go with barest minimum extra equipment, least of all stretchers or coffins even for their own comrades. When these soldiers are killed, their bodies have to rot in the jungle till reinforcements or rescue parties arrive. What Nandini has not seen is the fact that instead of leaving the bodies of the dead enemy in the jungle to be eaten by scavenger birds and animals, these soldiers are bringing the bodies with whatever implements they harness in jungles. You have not seen the efforts of these soldiers, but only seen the way they are brought. And mind you, it is NOT a trophy they are bringing in. If the author had investigated how these bodies are disposed, she would find that the bodies brought back to the camp by jawans are sent for identification and to inform their next of kins. If no kins are found, they are given proper burial or cremation. I do not know what the writer has achieved by portraying the picture that she has, except putting the lable "inhuman villains taking delight in their trophies." That is totally unfair to the soldiers who are putting their lives on line, fighting these inhuman killers.

While I abhor the atrocities committed by Salva Judum, SPOs and their likes, I cannot but feel sad about the negative portrayal of the brave soldiers who have left their homes in UP, the South and such far away places to die in a hostile jungle. I only wish you were fair to these men in uniform.
gypsycapt
Los Angeles, United States
68/D-22
Jun 30, 2010
01:04 AM
Dear Ganapathy
>> its a grossfailure of the local leadership of crpf if they dont have stretchers as they get lakhs for buying medicine.blaming it on central leadership/state govt/babus shows ignorance.the govt gives money for buying their rations and tomorrow some one will come with stories that crpf are starved.the responsibility of providing food/shelter/primary first aid/first line of medical management is with the unit head and he is provided with trained battle field nursing assts.

The unit head is probably with some Union minister doing chamchagiri just like our NSA chief was with Rahul Gandhi on 11/26 at a wedding party while mayhem was going on Mumbai. The esteemed chief could not leave the Prince and come back to HQ to plan or he did not leave any contigency emergency plan in case he is busy serving drinks for princy a$$hole. That is how our leadership is there. They don't care about people or CRPF or army.

If you think all the money allocated to the unit goes to buy all the right equipment, you are in LA LA land. I have seen my father in agricultural department banging his head on the wall trying to figure out how to distribute free fertilizers to the farmers from the gowdown where they never arrived because the District officer and local minister siphoned off lakhs set aside for procuring the fertilizers.

That is a very normal affair. Deal with it.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
69/D-41
Jun 30, 2010
04:15 AM
"The Hindu published stories of rapes in and around Chintalnar in Dantewada by special police officers (SPOs) of the Chhattisgarh government. To my knowledge, no one’s asked P. Chidambaram, Raman Singh or the Chhattisgarh DGP to condemn these incidents or even asked what they are going to do about it. These are people in positions of power, who are elected or paid to uphold the Constitution."

- Yes, why is the media not hauling up Chidambaram for the rapes? Does his silence not mean his support? The whole of so called civilized India is silent and there is no word about crime being committed in the name of fighting Maoists. Why? It's because the tribals who are being raped are not part of the definition of "Indian". Indian military establishment should know who the real enemy of the country are and shoot the right people. They are the last hope of the tribals. If they fail to uphold honor of these Indians who are being raped by Indian security forces with the help of a corrupt conniving govt., the country is doomed forever.
Raj
Chicago, United States
70/D-52
Jun 30, 2010
07:09 AM
The so called liberal nations... How do they deal with violent protestors?

The great Americans did this ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings
The Haditha killings (also called the Haditha incident or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident where 24 Iraqi men, women and children were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraq province of Al Anbar. At least 15 of those killed were noncombatant civilians. It has been alleged that the killings were retribution for the attack on a convoy of Marines with an improvised explosive device that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas.[1]


http://www.timesonli...s/article6848176.ece
Anti-G20 protesters rampaged through the city centre of Pittsburgh tonight, smashing up shops and throwing rocks at police, as officers used tear gas and baton-charges in an attempt to bring them under control.

In riots which continued through evening rush hour, about 300 protesters were reported to have remained from an initial crowd of 2,000 in Bloomfield, Pittsburgh’s Little Italy


http://news.aol.ca/c...-in-toronto/19532314

The violence prompted police to place Canada's largest city in a virtual state of lockdown -- with subway service to the downtown core halted for much of the day, major businesses and hospitals shuttered, and officers with shields holding back agitated crowds near the security zone where world leaders of the G20 were meeting.

http://www.cbsnews.c...20008083-504083.html

The parents of a Boston Celtics fan who stopped breathing and later died after police took him into custody during NBA championship street celebrations two years ago have reached a $3 million settlement with the city.


This is the real issue of crowd control. No police or nation can deal if thousands of extremist radicals take to roads in protests for genuine or fake reasons. The problem of India is Governance.

In order to keep the whole control of India in one family's pocket, institution after institution was destroyed with the help of willing media, COMMIE press, COMMIES from Soviet union. The lack of continuous democratic reforms and failure of Governance accentuate the problems in society.

The Islamic terrorists, Castiest forces led by left wingers and Naxalite terrorists use every opportunity to teamp up with every enemy of India to create chaos. The whole idea is shut down development, bring Govt. to knees and force them to dole out everything free. FREE is good but somebody has to create opportunities and somebody has to keep order. The police or CRPF or army have orders to control everything quickly and with no systematic training and enforcement of law, they deal with violent extremists the way they are trained to do.

The Arundhati types want CLASS WAR. They don't want just opportunities and negotiated settlements. They want BLOOD. They are not interested in bringing the best deal for tribals. They want to use them to achieve their revolutions. The tribals are paws in the game.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
71/D-83
Jun 30, 2010
03:30 PM
The reason that plight of our tribals does not quite make the same splash as an Arushi case, is because in the current scheme of economy, the tribals are not consumers.
They are voiceless non-entities who do not want to drink Pepsi or to eat Kellog's for breakfast- they don't drive the TRPs.
BUT they do live on minral rich land, and strangely, refuse to be flung away; thereby raising prices of new cars - which the people who drive the TRP's, drink pepsi and eat Kellog's for breakfast will buy.
The tribals therefore, are economic enemies of the audience of our media. Ergo, their plight is best ignored. Occasionaly, the media will however call them maoists and celebrate their killing, without asking any questions.
Varun Garde
Bengaluru, India
72/D-5
Jul 01, 2010
02:58 AM
@Varun Garde
Bengaluru, India

Well said!
Dr Dang
Kolkata, India
73/D-61
Jul 01, 2010
12:53 PM
Right here on Outlook

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?686364

Postmortem report of Naxal victims

"The brutal face of Naxals who killed 27 CRPF personnel in Narayanpur district of Chhattisgarh came out when they slit open throats and smashed the heads of some of the security men.

According to the preliminary post-mortem reports the jawans were brutally killed by the Maoists and around three to four bullet wounds were found on all the 27 CRPF personnel bodies.

"The Naxalites shot dead the CRPF personnel from a distance and later, they slit open the throats of three and smashed heads of two other jawans," a top police official told PTI."

Soooo .. much for fighting against injustice !

These Naxala are nothing but Pol Potvadis.
Malavika
san jose, United States
74/D-64
Jul 01, 2010
01:04 PM
Varun Garde said:
"The tribals therefore, are economic enemies of the audience of our media. Ergo, their plight is best ignored.
Occasionaly, the media will however call them maoists and celebrate their killing, without asking any questions."

The elite establishment especially Congress is responsible for this Naxal problem. AP Govt (under TDP) and police eliminated the problem with right mix of welfare and law enforcement.

But, Chidu and Sonia-MMS govt are unable or unwilling to do the right thing.
Malavika
san jose, United States
75/D-97
Jul 01, 2010
06:00 PM
MALAVIKA says (post #69) -

"The elite establishment especially Congress is responsible for this Naxal problem.
But, Chidu and Sonia-MMS govt are unable or unwilling to do the right thing."


No, not quite, BJP is equally reprehensible in this matter. Please read some reports in India Today on this issue (3 yrs ago? - unfortunately I have lost the exact reference, but that should be in the archives).

Naxals are "red herring" in this political upheaval to say the least.

Is "Salva Judum" conveniently forgotten, the terrorist outfit set up and financed by Chattisgarh State Govt which is (or was) BJP ? The only purpose was how to drive out the tribal from their mineral rich ancestral land to enable the corporate giants of G20 to mine the land !

Why was mineral prospecting in the heartland of India undertaken without consulting the local inhabitants who are the tribal ? And why were MoUs signed with the Western Corporate Giants (registered in the London stock exchange) for mining leases without consultation with the local inhabitants ?

"AP Govt (under TDP) and police eliminated the problem with right mix of welfare and law enforcement. " -

For how long? And whose criterion was that for "right mix" and what was there for "law enforcement" ?

"Chidu and Sonia-MMS govt are unable or unwilling to do the right thing" -

No they are doing the right thing for themselves. I would not be surprised if they post now placards all over this mineral rich tribal belt with the notice :

"Mine, Mine, All Mine Pty Ltd" !!!

Mind you I am not at all a left winger - I stand for the same justice for every citizen irrespective of whether you are a tribal or an upstart living in the high rises of Mumbai or Delhi.

Naxals and all other vultures will be always hovering above wherever that fundamental concept of justice is violated. And that plays into their slimy hands.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
76/D-99
Jul 01, 2010
06:26 PM
@Malavika - what would exactly be the right thing to do ?
The only right thing to do would be provide air support to the CRPF personnel who are laying down their lives in scores every other week .. when Maoists can shoot down these brave men from hillocks why would it be not okay to shoot these terrorists down from air ? One need not involve air-force for this , just create a air wing for the CRPF - Iam sure they have boats , why not helicopters .
All the leftists here just by parroting Roy that this is Chidambaram's war doesnt make this one - This is Government of India's legitimate responsibility backed by the Cabinet and supported by the Opposition parties . This make it every Indian's .
pradeep
chennai, India
77/D-100
Jul 01, 2010
06:47 PM
"... Soooo .. much for fighting against injustice !

These Naxala are nothing but Pol Potvadis." - MALAVIKA (post #68)

This is just a half-baked judgment - it does not take into account the inhuman treatments meted out to the tribal and adivasis over the years by the Indian State authorities via the machinery of the local State police and other goons that has led to such situations.

Taken out of context, the situation will be assessed exactly as is presented.

But, there are enough documents on the atrocities by the Indian State on tribal carried out by the State machinery. The hapless police officers and others at the bottom of the echelon are simply used as cannon fodder by the masters in the respective State power holders.

Forgetting these tribals, let me cite a report in TOI I read a few days ago to make my point.

The State Police in Punjab village caught someone under the suspicion of theft. This man was above 70 years in age and denied his knowledge about the matter. But to extract confession from him, the police hang him from a tree branch and started beating him. His wife pleaded with the police at least to bring him down. But that was of no avail. Finally the man died !

If I were this man's grandson or son, why should not I take up the same actions as the reported Maoists ?

Can you answer me, Malavika ?
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
78/D-102
Jul 01, 2010
06:58 PM
PINAKIS Ray - If one were the grandson of that old man one might probably kill that cop who was responsible , if all hope on any justice is lost ( but I keep hearing of multiple cases where mistakes are being rectified and law enforcement folks taken to task for such behavior)
But one will at no point blow up bus and trains with loads of passengers , kill all dissenters with ones approach and definitely not plan to take over the country and its hard fought freedom .
pradeep
chennai, India
79/D-109
Jul 01, 2010
07:30 PM
Just compare the humane approach of the Maoists with these evil 80 year old woman and her daughter who were related to their political enemy , against what these brutal cops did to the innocent women with a beautiful smile who had just tried to kill them with her beautiful gun http://www.telegraph...l/story_12612676.jsp
pradeep
chennai, India
80/D-124
Jul 01, 2010
10:04 PM
and if you thought Post 74 is a one-off incident showing their humane side against their opponents, think again

http://www.telegraph...e/story_12631732.jsp

No question these boyish comrades with their beautiful smiles are Gandhians to the core
pradeep
chennai, India
81/D-135
Jul 01, 2010
11:33 PM
this keep getting more interesting (courtesy .. Akram Haidar)

http://www.hindu.com...2008011559051600.htm

Roy had sung Comrades virtue of not wasting even the looted vehicles steering wheel - it seems they have graduated one more level by not wasting even their victims .
why waste fresh meat when it can feed a hungry comrade - CRPF should learn ways to honor the dead from these beautiful comrades with a beautiful dream.
pradeep
chennai, India
82/D-41
Jul 02, 2010
12:28 PM
Malavika:
"AP Govt (under TDP) and police eliminated the problem with right mix of welfare and law enforcement. " -

Pinaki Ray:
For how long? And whose criterion was that for "right mix" and what was there for "law enforcement" ?

Malavika: What ever mix works. It worked in worst hit areas like Srikakulam dist in AP. Those tribals and others living there want to be able to make a living and educate their kids. Why are the Naxals destroying schools and roads?

To keep them poor and destitute.
Malavika
san jose, United States
83/D-42
Jul 02, 2010
12:38 PM
Pinaki said:
"Mind you I am not at all a left winger - I stand for the same justice for every citizen irrespective of whether you are a tribal or an upstart living in the high rises of Mumbai or Delhi."

No disagreements here. Eminent Domain must be strictly enforced irrespective of who it is. Poor tribal or hapless farmer of middle class urbanite should not have their land confiscated. Hyderabad saw a spectacle of Congress Govt acquring land from poor farmers and selling it to real estate interests in the name of development. Ofcourse no 'big wigs' and were acquired.

"Naxals and all other vultures will be always hovering above wherever that fundamental concept of justice is violated. And that plays into their slimy hands."

Naxals are evil vultures and part of the problem and not solution. There have been instances of naxals bumping off local leaders for the benefit of ruling MLA's in Orissa.

With all its inherent flaws representative govt(with elections) is a far better way to resolve problems than killing indiscriminately.
Malavika
san jose, United States
84/D-60
Jul 02, 2010
07:46 PM
A propos MALAVIKA's posts (#78 and #68)-

1. "Hyderabad saw a spectacle of Congress Govt acquring land from poor farmers and ...." -

The same has happened sometime ago in Rajerhat in WB, an outer suburb of Calcutta. CPM grabbed land from the powerless impoverished people living there and gave it to TATA for construction of a huge multi-crore housing project. The only time CPM got stuck was in Singur due to Mamata's resistance. I am sure that BJP has done the same somewhere else.

So in this game of land grabbing from the poor, Congress does not have a monopoly !

2. "Naxals are evil vultures and part of the problem and not solution" -

Whether the Maoists or Naxals are more evil than Salwa Judum
or vice versa is debatable. I would say that Naxals are a by product of the "problem".

Then again, I have reservation in branding the adivasis as "Naxals" or "Maoists" just because they are putting up stiff resistance against the State. They have been receiving brutal treatment for a long time in the hands of the State authorities and have nowhere else to go. A glimpse to this state of affairs has been extremely well presented by the columnist Nandini here and full credit to Outlook for airing her account.

The political situation has accentuated at present due to prospective mining leases to be distributed by the State and the Central Governments. They are living on land under which minerals worth trillions of dollars are buried. Remember that wherever there is money, the mafia lurks around.

3. "These Naxala are nothing but Pol Potvadis."-

I reject in toto the political analogy of these so-called "Maoists" with Pol Pots in Cambodia in this context. Pol Pots did not appear out of the blue. They were the "by product" of the Vietnam war and well propped up by Uncle Sam and to some extent by China "the real Mao" !

Nixon and Kissinger decided to teach Vietnam a lesson after the US had to concede their debacle in the war there. Pol Pots served their purpose since they were set up against the Vietnamese. That prevented Vietnam to spread her influence in the surrounding region. If a properly elected Government by the Cambodian people came into power then, there was every chance the Cambodian Government would have joined the Vietnamese to bolster them to the despair of the US. There is definitely a parallel here why the Americans created the Talibans and Mujaheddin in the first place. Anyway, I should not digress.

3. I do not believe that the Centre or the stakeholders in Delhi have any interest to work out a resolution of this "Maoist menace". Ultimately, the firepower of Delhi is going to crush all the adivasi "rebels" - they know that. But the rebels must carry on their fight, otherwise they are in any case obliterated.

The only opportunity these villagers have to give a "fitting" answer to Delhi is to fight to the end. That way there will be at least a "scar" left on the Indian Civilization and will not bode well for the future of the nation.

Under Delhi's instruction the IAF bombed the Eastern Part of India with Napalms in the past to subdue the locals there instead of dealing one-to-one, all whose natural resources then were being stolen. Look at the long term consequences - now Nagaland is predominantly Christian !!!

These adivasis are impoverished but they have the same intelligence equally as we all have. The US underestimated then the Vietnamese as being no fighters since they were poor and not so sophisticated as them. And that is where everything went wrong in 1969. I am afraid that the same attitude prevails in the mindset of policy makers in Delhi in dealing with the true Indians in the heartland of the nation.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
85/D-65
Jul 02, 2010
08:57 PM
Our country, our society needs more Nandini Sundars to bring us down fom our ivory towers and to prick our conscience and our complacency. What is happening to the marginalised is a matter of shame not just to Chidamabaram and other people who could have made a difference but to each one of us as well. I hang my head in shame.
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
86/D-74
Jul 02, 2010
10:48 PM
Pinaki
"reject in toto the political analogy of these so-called "Maoists" with Pol Pots in Cambodia in this context."

You can, but more and more people are seeing the similarities between Pol Pots and Maoists.

B.t.w no one here calls adivasis Maoists. Poor adivasis are oppressed by Maoists as foot soldiers. You still did not answer why
(i) Maoists are destroying roads and schools meant for adivasis?

Rest of your meandering reponse is incoherent.
Malavika
san jose, United States
87/D-75
Jul 02, 2010
10:50 PM
david albuquerque Brisbane, Australia said:
"Our country, our society needs more Nandini Sundars to bring us down fom our ivory towers and to prick our conscience and our complacency. What is happening to the marginalised is a matter of shame not just to Chidamabaram and other people who could have made a difference but to each one of us as well. I hang my head in shame."

Your county is Australia. Work for the maginalized aborigines there. They were/are 100 times more opressed than Indian tribals.
Malavika
san jose, United States
88/D-80
Jul 02, 2010
11:24 PM
Malavika - you want to know why are Maoists destroying roads and schools meant for adivasis?
The answer for any question on Maoists is the same , irrespective of the questions :
crpf rapes women, capitalists exploit , politicians are corrupt , middle class is rich , democracy is bad , upper caste is evil , tribals are cornered , salwa judum burnt villages and Roy is god.
however you might try to engage in a rational discussion with these deranged commies , they keep repeating the same justification for mass murder.
pradeep
chennai, India
89/D-17
Jul 03, 2010
06:33 AM
NANDINI SUNDAR, When you are on the frontline, you should be prepared to get shot at. Friend or foe, the dead should be respected. You seem to perch on to your self-righteous high moral ground and indignant of the treatment of the dead. Why don’t you show the same indignation when of your fellow travellers-The Maoists- on a systematic killing spree of CRPF men and maiming of innocent Indians?
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
90/D-24
Jul 03, 2010
07:56 AM
Good..now fetch some more..
Prakash Kumar
New Delhi, India
91/D-31
Jul 03, 2010
08:59 AM
"Your county is Australia. Work for the maginalized aborigines there. They were/are 100 times more opressed than Indian tribals." Malavika San Jose, United States

Where's your country, Mal? Didn't know we had a San Jose in India.
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
92/D-77
Jul 03, 2010
05:54 PM
Malavika - You want to know as to why Maoism exists. The reason simply is that tribal women are regularly raped by the CRPF men. One of the worst tactics used in warfare, modern or old, is the use of rape as a tactic/retribution.
I don't think you would have anathema towards Maoists had you been raped serially by ten men in uniform. Or may be, in your case, you might enjoy it.
Shantilal Verma
New York, United States
93/D-79
Jul 03, 2010
05:54 PM
Re MALVIKA post #81 -

1. "You still did not answer why:
(i) Maoists are destroying roads and schools meant for adivasis?" -

I first came aware of damages and destruction of school buildings in the country side of WB ('Jangalmahal') in the front page news of a Calcutta newspaper a while ago. The page was splashed with pictures of broken windows, furniture, doors etc of a school building where armed security personnel - CRPF ? - were camping. The gist of the news was: the school had been closed down for quite some time and taken over by the orders from above for housing armed police to eliminate the local 'Maoists' operating in the area. Obviously no teaching classes for the children could take place there. I gathered that these CRPF men were finally evicted from there by the ruling of the Calcutta High Court a few days ago, and the reporters went there to take pictures.

The Headmaster gave an interview on the damages and mess left behind by the security forces - beer bottles thrown around, obscenities on walls etc etc. He said that it would take months to bring the place in order before he could start classes and it took a long time to move through the court to get the eviction ruling.

So the 'Maoists' are not the only ones who are destroying schools and children education! This particular point has been confirmed by someone a few months ago in an Outlook forum.

There is war like political climate in the tribal belt going on for sometime. Obviously, the 'Maoists' defending the tribal must deny all access and camping facilities for their opposing forces. It should be then clear to all why the destruction of strategic items are going on.

2. "You can, but more and more people are seeing the similarities between Pol Pots and Maoists".

Well there is always freedom of interpretation of politics for everyone. But, how informed are those who are "seeing the similarities" ? Thank God, that not everything is decided by raising hands.

The contacts and dealings between Kissinger and Pol Pots behind the scene are well documented in political journals and in the web also. That proceeded exactly as it is now going on with Taliban as in:

http://www.atimes.co...h_Asia/LG03Df04.html

"... also derailing Washington's efforts to open dialogue with the Taliban ...".

Will any world power now deal with these 'Maoists' in India's backyards ? They are India's own creation, not of an external power. That brings out the fundamental difference between the political dimension of Pol Pots and the Maoists. It will be an absurd proposition to put them in the same bucket.

I think I have clarified my position enough in the matter for any reader to assess my input for himself. It does not make any sense to go point by point with your other questions, e.g. who are the 'Maoists', since this forum has closed now.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
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