POSTED BY Sundeep Dougal ON Aug 30, 2012 AT 15:30 IST ,  Edited At: Aug 30, 2012 15:30 IST

 

The most bizarre "defence" of the heartening, if belated, Naroda Patiya verdict was that Maya Kodnani was not a minister during 2002 when the "riots" occurred, as noted yesterday:

Dismissing demand for Chief Minister Narendra Modi's resignation following the verdict in Naroda Patiya case of 2002 riots, Gujarat government today distanced itself from convicted BJP MLA Dr Maya Kodnani saying she was not a minister when the incident occurred.

"Let me be very clear that the MLA is not a state government functionary as you are trying to make it out, secondly, Dr Maya Kodnani was not a minister when this incident took place," government spokesperson Jaynarayan Vyas said while lashing out the Opposition for tageting Modi.

"They have a different yardstick for BJP, for Mr Modi there is another yardstick, and for Gujarat it is yet another one...They have their eyes on the Assembly polls," he said.

Vyas said Kodnani "is a party functionary, she is a sitting party MLA, no denying that, but that cannot be linked as you are trying to make it out", adding that the moment she was summoned for interrogation she ceased to be a minister.

As the Hindu points out:

Needless to say, the conviction is a huge setback to the Gujarat Chief Minister personally. The fact that Ms Kodnani led the Naroda killings was common knowledge, yet Mr. Modi made her a minister, even putting her in charge of ‘women and child development’ as if to thumb his nose at the victims. A bigger worry for Mr. Modi ought to be the establishment of conspiracy. The Chief Minister has maintained all along that the “riots” were a spontaneous act by crowds enraged by Godhra. It stretches credulity that Ms Kodnani could enter into a conspiracy with her co-accused without the government getting a whiff of the group’s criminal intentions and conduct, before, during and after the killing. 

The paper goes on to say:

The conviction by a Gujarat court of BJP legislator Maya Kodnani and Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi along with 30 others for their role in the Naroda Patia massacre is the strongest judicial affirmation yet that large-scale communal violence is almost always a product of pre-meditated political planning and calculation... The verdict is a landmark one. It is for the first time that an Indian court has convicted a sitting MLA — Ms Kodnani was also a minister in the Narendra Modi government from 2007 to 2009 — for mob aggression against members of a religious community. Secondly, the court has not only upheld the charge of criminal conspiracy against the 32 individuals convicted, it has also found one of them guilty of rape and sexual harassment.   Read on at the Hindu: A stunning verdict

 The Deccan Herald notes: Just retribution

The convictions in the Naroda Patiya case are, more than those in others, a setback for chief minister Narendra Modi and for the BJP. The convicted  former minister, Maya Kodnani, is a trusted lieutenant of  Modi. She was taken in the ministry even when she was facing serious charge of a direct role in the massacre. The conviction of the former minister and the Bajrang Dal leader shows how involved was the state’s political establishment in the conspiracy and killings. Modi still denies any responsibility for the killings but the last legal word on it is yet to be pronounced. The Naroda Patiya convictions show it may not be too far.

The Asian Age: Gujarat ’02 riots: Widening the net:

The conviction of Ms Kodnani raises the possibility of the transference of a former minister of the Modi government (now an MLA) from her place under the lens to the gallows, or at the very least to a jail cell for life. This particular individual was wont to issue vile statements that seemed self-congratulatory. She was no different in this from leading figures of hate groups like the Bajrang Dal, one of whose leaders has also been convicted, besides 30 others...

It is noteworthy that Ms Kodnani and the others have been convicted of murder as well as criminal conspiracy. Since the latter has been legally established in this case, an opening has appeared for the first time that brings up the prospect of senior figures in the ruling establishment in Gujarat being similarly exposed.

Those convicted naturally have the right to appeal. Should they exercise it, the judiciary ought to hear the case on a speedy basis. So much time has already been wasted in this case and other post-Godhra trials which have brought shame to the country. The terrible Naroda Patiya episode occurred on February 28, 2002. The crime branch in Ahmedabad moved in a lackadaisical manner that was typical of the response of the state government to violent crimes against Muslims. A sense of purpose came to be detected only after the Supreme Court set up a special investigation team, and the trial could begin only in 2009.

After complimenting the judicial process, and noting that this is a moment to admire the judicial system that has wrested some resolution for the trauma of Naroda Patiya, the Indian Express goes on to point out:

And yet, it must be asked why justice and reparation are still missing for another scar in recent history — the 1984 riots in Delhi, in which Sikhs bore the brunt of the violence as retaliation for Indira Gandhi’s assassination, under the watch of the Congress government.... While the 1984 riots and the 2002 riots have become rhetorical tit-for-tats between political forces, the fact remains that one is inching towards answers and the other has been treated as a matter best forgotten and transcended. What, also, of the Nellie massacre, which is not even invoked as a political talking point? In 1983, Muslim settlers were killed and injured in an ethnic clash during the Assam agitation — the All Assam Students Union and other activists had whipped up sentiment against “foreign nationals”. But the investigation reached nowhere, legal proceedings were soon dropped, not a single person has faced trial.

Read on at: Where law wins out

Also, yesterday, on CNN-IBN a useful discussion on the above and the collusion of the administration, contrasting the role of the Congress for 1984 anti-Sikh carnage, which had also gone on to promote some of the accused as ministers — one of whom remains in the central cabinet even today — in the aftermath:

POSTED BY Sundeep Dougal ON Aug 30, 2012 AT 15:30 IST ,  Edited At: Aug 30, 2012 15:30 IST
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Digression
80/D-20
Sep 06, 2012
10:15 AM

>> Sagarika doesn’t even talk of hate speech.                                                        >>Here is what she says: "Hatespeak on social media, not social media itself, is the real enemy of a liberal democracy.....A deluge of profane language, abuse of religious icons and vicious attacks on minorities are the hallmarks of Twitter and Facebook in India.

Her first line pretends to discuss hatespeak but he very next sentence she starts listing abuses. This when she herself is abusive on social media. Her so called concerns are all fake she uses it to demand regulation on free speech! My first point stands.

>> So, liberals will be the judge of what is an incorrect judgment!                                   >>Liberals will have an opinion on the judgement

Liberal will have an opinion of 'incorrect judgment' without going into the merits of the argument when the verdict does not suit them. It is called prejudice but it seems to be a virtue in liberal circles. 

>>If being a religious nut is the glaring feature of the judge, one may be inclined to say so.

Can't refute the judgment so go after the features of the judge. Only liberals can defend such conduct.

>> You were not talking about the SC but results of intervention by the SC.                    >>I praised the results in Naroda Patia but denounced the resuls in Gulberg Society. Whether I praised the Supreme Court or the results is not a big point.

Shifting of goal posts. I forgot to list this as a liberal trait.

>> Both blame the community!                                                                                  >>They do not blame Hindus or Hinduism.

One blames an entire civil society which is sick enough and the other blames Hindus who vote for Modi as fanatics which is worse. Calling such statements as reasonable truth is disgusting. No amount of spin can justify it.

>>and talk of Hindus of only a particlar place at a particular time..

No they don't

>>Crticizing Modiwadis is not the same thing as criticizing Hindus.

Criticizing entire civil society because a minister got convicted is not criticizing Modiwadis and shows perverse hatred for people who don't vote like you.
 

RSM
Delhi, India
79/D-7
Sep 06, 2012
12:45 AM

Ghai,

>> (Prashant) Pandery and (Aakar) Patel both are anti Hindus and anti Gujartaies.

They are anti-Modi but pro-Gandhi. They are against hate pracharaks like yourself.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
78/D-126
Sep 05, 2012
08:29 PM

They do not brand the entire Hindu community but only "The Hindus of Gujarat – those who have tutored in school to become fanatics". Are you not able to see the absolute truth in both those comments? " Faruki

Surely Sir -We are quite able to see the absolute truth  that Pandery and Bekar Patel both are anti Hindus and anti Gujartaies like you,Shabo Appa and host of other  Phoney Seculars.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
77/D-64
Sep 05, 2012
12:51 PM

RSM,

>> Sagarika doesn’t even talk of hate speech.

Here is what she says: "Hatespeak on social media, not social media itself, is the real enemy of a liberal democracy.....A deluge of profane language, abuse of religious icons and vicious attacks on minorities are the hallmarks of Twitter and Facebook in India. Twitter in India, almost completely dominated by right-wing religious nationalism, has been called a “hate factory”, a forum to vent foul-mouthed loathing not only of public figures but of minorities and those perceived as ‘pseudo-secular’ or ‘sickular’. The role of rumour in a riot has been established by many historians. The role of creating the religious ‘enemy’ is another potent force in creating religious polarisation. If social media becomes a tool in the hand of a communal rioter, then the government has every right to enforce the law, and absolute freedom must take second place to protection of life and liberty." - - You can of course disagree with her, but that's what she said.

>> So, liberals will be the judge of what is an incorrect judgment!

Liberals will have an opinion on the judgement, just like the saffronites.

>> our liberals are only capable of name calling and attributing motives.

If being a religious nut is the glaring feature of the judge, one may be inclined to say so.

>> I express opposite opinion but don’t call judges names.

That is nice of you.

>> 

>>No, they should ask you when and who to condemn or praise!
>> Actually they should, they would at least know the meaning of the words honesty, integrity, ethics and scruples.

I shall tell them to ask you from now on.

>> You were not talking about the SC but results of intervention by the SC.

I praised the results in Naroda Patia but denounced the resuls in Gulberg Society. Whether I praised the Supreme Court or the results is not a big point.

>> Both blame the community!

They do not blame Hindus or Hinduism.  Aakar Patel said: “What can be said of civil society in Gujarat when its minister for women development and child welfare is convicted of rioting against women and children?” Prashant Pandey said “The Hindus of Gujarat – those who have tutored in school to become fanatics – will re-unite and re-vote for Modi in ever larger numbers.” _ Both are very reasonable and truthful comments and talk of Hindus of only a particlar place at a particular time..  Crticizing Modiwadis is not the same thing as criticizing Hindus. Criticizing Sanghis or BJP-ites is not the same as criticizing Hindus. Your calling them "articles branding Hindus as fanatics" is not appropriate.  If you want to see a real communalistic article you should see Swamy's hate diatribe against Muslims last year. 

Since this thread will just be repetitive from here on, I shall make this my last post.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
76/D-63
Sep 05, 2012
12:20 PM

>> Unlike criticizing a verdict on arguments (a concept unheard of in our liberal circles), our liberals are only capable of name calling and attributing motives.

Apart from being anti-nationals, these stuck pigs are also incompetent. Their Madrassa training has only taught them cheating and deceit. They are incompetent of criticizing a verdict or another argument by their own arguments.

We saw the same story played out earlier when Goel, Shourie, etc. published their books. All the pigs started a collective whine, attacking the authors, instead of their arguments.

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