POSTED BY Buzz ON Nov 15, 2011 AT 23:57 IST ,  Edited At: Nov 15, 2011 23:57 IST


Nov 14: At a Sadbhavna Fast at Patan, in Vadodara

Two comments on the recent Sardarpura verdict in which 31 people were convicted of crimes including murder during post-Godhra riots:

Aditya Sinha in the DNA:

If Modi thinks that the lack of proof of a chain of culpability on technical grounds is going to be enough, he has another think coming. And no matter how compromised the credibility of police officer Sanjiv Bhatt may be, Modi’s government’s attempts to discredit him mirror the clumsy attempts by the Congress party to discredit Anna Hazare’s team.

As much as Modi’s aggression and ruthlessness may appeal to that section of the Indian middle class which thinks it is high time India kicked into a higher gear, it does not appeal to most other Indians; and no one can become prime minister unless they appeal to a majority of Indians (we don’t have direct elections to the post, but even in pre- or post-poll tie-ups, regional leaders are going to think twice about hitching their fortunes to this man). India Inc can’t stop gushing about how Modi is the man of the future, and how he will be the one to take India to the next stage of rapid economic growth, but these are contestable claims. I wonder whether or not Gujarat, which has traditionally seen high economic activity in India, would have grown without Modi at the helm. I also wonder how many Gujarati industrialists are willing to concede that their rise and success is due to Modi. In any case, the crony capitalism and the corporate complicity in big-ticket corruption during past few years are evidence of how little India Inc really cares for India.

And then, Ruchir Joshi in the Telegraph:

This verdict is only among the first strands but, perhaps, along with the testimonies of the police officers, R.B. Shreekumar, Sanjeev Bhatt and others, it signals the ultimate unravelling of the whole carpet of vicious lies under which the Hindutwats have been trying to shove their 2002 pogrom.

It’s important that this verdict arrives at a time when a huge campaign is under way to efface Narendra Modi’s crimes and propel him forward as the future prime minister. Even as his cheerleaders shout on about his incorruptible efficiency, the true nature of the Modi-raj is now ever more openly on display. If you’re a Gujarati who was involved in attacking Muslims in 2002, till recently you could count on the Namo machinery doing everything possible to protect you from punishment. However, if you were a Gujarati who was a victim of rape or violence in March-April 2002, you had to learn to live under an energetically enforced load-shedding of justice.

Ruchir Joshi concludes his piece optimistically:

Things won’t subside. As long as there are two brave lawyers and three shrill but fearless NGO activists, truth will out, as the Sardarpura case indicates. When that happens, the time for apologies will be long past and the planners of the massacre will have no place left to go, perhaps not even China.

What do you think?

  1. Do you think the long arm of the law will eventually catch up with Narendra Modi, as Joshi argues? Or
  2. Do you think that even if he escapes on legal technicalities, he will still never be accepted by the majority of Indians as Prime Minister, as Sinha argues? Or
  3. Do you think that he will not only escape from the clutches of the law but will also make it to the prime ministerial chair?

Please keep your answers civil and to the point.

POSTED BY Buzz ON Nov 15, 2011 AT 23:57 IST ,  Edited At: Nov 15, 2011 23:57 IST
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254/D-121
Nov 28, 2011
10:00 PM

@ Zafar

I do not remember those ads, but I was not in the country at the time. If they were shown, then I agree that it was shameful.

They were full page ads in ALL the prominent newspapers. It was not just shameful, it was criminal profiling of an entire community

It is worth noting that Rajiv Gandhi got a sympathy vote because his mother was killed - NOT, at least in Delhi, because of an anti-Sikh sentiment.

No, Congress party and Rajiv Gandhi's handlers made it into fanning anti-Sikh sentiment. Which is why these ads were brought out as part of a well-orchestrated campaign. It was not just one isolated ad. There was a full series. There was barbed wire and caricatures of Sikhs shown as bomb throwers, terrorists in front of stopped buses etc

Delhi, at that time, was a majority Punjabi city. And there are close familial links between Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs - until my parents generation Punjabi Hindus used to in fact bring up their eldest son as a Sikh - who freely intermarry, and do not essentially see each other as separate people. This is just my observation from growing up in Delhi, fwiw.

Which is why, the canard that Congress lackeys and Manmohan Singh later spread about RSS being behind the attack was so laughable. Even Khushwant Singh has written about Vajpayee and Advani and other BJP leaders coming to the rescue of Sikhs.

Please note - I am NOT trying to defend the Congress's actions wrt the anti-Sikh pogrom in Delhi - or their susequent attempts to evade justice for people like Sajjan Kumar. I'm just pointing out that Congress ideology, and overall Congres actions across the country, are not based on demonising minorities to consolidate the majority vote. They have many faults, just not these particular ones.

Rajiv Gandhi went out of his way to ensure that ALL THOSE ACCUSED of killings were PROMOTED. They included HKL Bhagat, Jagdish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar, Kamal Nath et al.

Congress demonised Sikhs in a concerted move after planting and creating Bhindrawale in Punjab. Likewise, Congress and Mrs Gandhi demonised Kashmiri Muslims in the elections in J&K to cater to the Hindu vote in Jammu. All of this is well-documented. One of the reasons for the trouble in J&K, Punjab and Northeast is because of Mrs Gandhi demonising the minorities there.

Unfortunately, you cannot say the same about the BJP and the Sangh Parivar. Who have their own good qualities - but ones which are fatally undermined, imho, by their communal underpinning.

I have no illusions about the BJP or what they are capable of. They showed it during Gujarat 2002. My limited point is that there is not much of a difference between Narendra Modi and Rajiv Gandhi. Just that Rajiv Gandhi was "smarter" than Modi and knew when to say what after the elections had been won. In many ways, Modi is not a hypocrite like Rajiv G and wears his biases on his sleeve.

Look, they even objected to different TRADITIONAL versions of the Ramayana to be discussed at Delhi University. India is too diverse for that, imho, and ultimately is too diverse for them to govern without them changing at a fundamental level. Again, jmho.

I think here the problem is not just BJP. Do remember how Congress treated M.F. Hussain and Taslima Nasrin. How Congress aligns with the Muslim League in Kerala, or how Congress takes over the dregs of the Shiv Sena into its fold when it ooportunistically suits it, even at the cost of causing grief to straightforward secular leaders such as Sunil Dutt.
 

Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
253/D-84
Nov 28, 2011
03:44 PM

Is Modi PM material :

Well here are the views and opinions I openly heard in Bijnor -Najibabd belt in UP. I met lot of Gram Pardhans in various villages for the NGO work in educational field .After the social meetings in night generally discussions turned towards Elections and Politicians in India and UP .

The views expressed and firm opinions are purely of the people in the Villages .Not a single word is mine except the translation here.Let Out Look send some neutral Reporters not the usual anti Hindu arm chair writers who contribute - find out the ground realities .

The Reports will be much severe than mine as I have toned down contents.

1 . Hindus openly say let BJP declare Varun Gandhi as its UP CM .They say Hindus will Vote enmasse for Varun Gandhi.Similarly Modi Hindus in UP want to be declared as PM candidate. Both are considered Hindu Saviors and protectors .

2.My comments that Hindu Dalit Voters will not ditch Mayawati.They say that let Modi and Varun contest then Dalits too will Vote for the Hindu protectors .
Hindus say they feel helpless and abandoned by the Seculars Politicians and want some Netas who are known protectors of them and can take a clear cut stand against Islamic Terror.

3.Hindus one and all say Sadvi,Col Purhoit are victims of Vote Bank Politics and innocent Hindus are put in Jails to change the colour of Terror.

4. Advani is phew phewed and criticized for patronizing Muslims and soft on Terror.They openly declare if BJP gives tickets to Some Muslims contest then they will ensure that those are defeated and will not hesitate to even vote for Congress.


Reson is as stated by Hindus is that they feel insecure with Seculars and also with softy BJPites


Well above is the answer from the Hindus of two Muslim Majority Districts of UP .

Let Out Look or some one who feel I am comunal go and find out the realities.Truth is different on the ground .


 

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a k ghai
mumbai, India
252/D-83
Nov 28, 2011
03:16 PM

Anwaar, noted and agree. It was just that i could better faintly remember (and hence obtain from the net) the dialogues from Macbeth.

Santosh John Samuel
Kochi, India
251/D-75
Nov 28, 2011
01:37 PM

Santosh,

>> Shakespeare answered Outlook's questions long ago.

Enjoyed your post, although I for some reason always associate Richard III rather than Macbeth with Modi.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
250/D-68
Nov 28, 2011
01:04 PM

Shakespeare answered Outlook's questions long ago. Substitute Macbeth with Modi, and King Duncan and Banquo with the killed of Gujarat.

(1) Do you think the long arm of the law will catch up with Narendra Modi – might or might not. The taint though looks permanent.

(i) Methought I heard a voice cry "Sleep no more!
Macbeth does murder sleep," the innocent sleep,
Sleep that knits up the ravell'd sleave of care,
The death of each day's life, sore labour's bath,
Balm of hurt minds, great nature's second course,
Chief nourisher in life's feast

—After murdering King Duncan, Macbeth fears that he will never sleep again.

(2) Do you think that even if he escapes on legal technicalities, he will still never be accepted by the majority of Indians as Prime Minister – Yes.

(i) Will all great Neptune's ocean wash this blood
Clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather
The multitudinous seas incarnadine,
Making the green one red
Hearing a knocking at his palace gate, Macbeth fears that he can never wash away the evidence of his guilt.

(ii) It will have blood; they say, blood will have blood
—After Banquo's ghost has gone, Macbeth feels that his crime is pursuing him.

(3) Do you think that he will not only escape from the clutches of the law but will also make it to the prime ministerial chair? – Answered in (1) and (2).

Santosh John Samuel
Kochi, India
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