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1/D-16
Dec 30, 2011
03:16 AM

One doesnot have to be Sherlock Holmes to know that Hamid Ansari played dirty and conspired with Congress and RJD. Pastards!

Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
2/D-23
Dec 30, 2011
03:48 AM
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Kundan Jain
chennai, India
3/D-77
Dec 30, 2011
11:52 AM

Where are the custodians of Secularism? Where are the one's who want a Strong Lokpal? Where are the Ruling party who tell teh nation Trust us! We will remove Corruption! All Ranchod das!

Laut gaye! Khaali haath!

And they Claim that the Nation elected them to Rule!

pankaj hedaoo
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
4/D-86
Dec 30, 2011
12:48 PM

 The entire Lokpal episode, from socalled "civil society" to the Parliament, is a "Theatre of the Absurd"!

Durai
Gurgaon, India
5/D-97
Dec 30, 2011
01:25 PM

This was always on the cards. The entire political class from the communists to the communalists formed a phallanx to face off the biggest challange to their survival. One wonders how much was spent to 'educate' the political class by business interests in phillibustering to spike  democracy.

The media at the drop of a hat indignatly asks how much money from the exchquer is wasted in protests , walk-outs etc. They did not ask how much was wasted or made in yesterday's vaudeville.

Don't you guys feel cheated by these fellows who until yesterday was talkinf big about the parliament being supreme or laws cannot be made on the streets ?

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
6/D-99
Dec 30, 2011
01:35 PM

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Is this aphorism valid in today's time? Or they have now found a ways to fool all the people all the time & making Lincoln look silly ?

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
7/D-105
Dec 30, 2011
01:52 PM

An MP tearing papers on the floor of the Rajyasabha is nothing new or major. Ther "buzz" was in the minds of the reporters who wanted to extract the maximum drama from the evenings proceedings.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
8/D-113
Dec 30, 2011
02:37 PM

 Anwarbhai sounds more loyal thank the queen. He seems to be too besotted with the queen to see reason. There is a limit to chamchagiri. Some people are still trying to convince us that what happened in the Rajyasabha was not choregraphed by the Congress party, when it was too obvious for a person of below average intelligence to miss.

Jitendra
Patna, India
9/D-116
Dec 30, 2011
03:04 PM

Jitendra,

>>  besotted with the queen.

More  turned off by the BJP/RSS goons than anything else.

>>  choregraphed by the Congress party.

No choreography is required to adjourn the house at midnight and to put off the vote to a later date since the bill obviously needs to be amended in order to pass. Why is that so hard to understand?

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
10/D-2
Dec 31, 2011
12:19 AM

>> No choreography is required to adjourn the house at midnight and to put off the vote to a later date since the bill obviously needs to be amended in order to pass. Why is that so hard to understand?

Because unlike the dumb jehadis, we understand that the choreography was being done long before the parliament session even started. The aim was to draft a bill so shamefully bad, and constitutionally inappropriate, that even high school students with elementary knowledge of constitution shall be able to identify the problems. Follow that up with not only a failure to discuss it with the opposition, but even with allies and supporting parties.

Stuck pigs like you are not expected to understand this.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
11/D-4
Dec 31, 2011
12:24 AM

Anwaar,

Some news channels predicted the exact sequence of events at least an hour in advance. Of course, if you still want to live in la-la land, then nothing would matter to you. If you allow yourself a reasoned thought, you would realize that it's exactly the cheer leaders like you that are responsible for the moral prostitution of the so called secular lobby in our politics. It's not difficult to see what is right and what is wrong in the present case. The common man knows it much better than the assorted pimps that infest our intellectual class.

Amit
Tucson, United States
12/D-7
Dec 31, 2011
01:46 AM

Amit,

>> Some news channels predicted the exact sequence of events at least an hour in advance.

It is one thing to see which way a session is going; quite another to say it was choreographed.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
13/D-45
Dec 31, 2011
10:26 AM

Even the President and the Vice President were part of the Choreography. Why else was President in Hyderbad on 28 December when she would have know that LOKPAL Bill after being passed in Lok Sabha require Presidential assent before being presented in Rajya Sabha???

The President would have remembered her responsibility if she had switched on any TV CHANNEL as the whole nation and the MEDIA was only discussing the LOKPAL from 26-12.  Even  if the President overlooked the above fact it was the responsiblity of UPA GOVT to ensure it  which  was  conveniently forgotten by  them.

The Vice-President could have controlled the Rajya Sabha to ensure voting by 10 PM on 29th. When CONSTIUTIONAL AUTHORITIES behave so irresponsibily how can AAM ADMI have any respect for them???

Charan dewry
Guwahati, India
14/D-97
Dec 31, 2011
08:07 PM

A  balanced and good one by Shekar Gupta

a k ghai
mumbai, India
15/D-103
Dec 31, 2011
10:10 PM

>>@SounavDhawa The 187 amendments were deliberate; so was the attempt to tear the bill. As I said, match-fixing by all sides.

Rajdeep. that Congress stooge in the media of the "cash for vote sting suppression" fame, tries to do a balancing act like the brainless lackey on this forum by blaming 'all' sides!

RSM
Delhi, India
16/D-10
Jan 01, 2012
02:05 AM

Ghai,

>> "A balanced and good one by Shekar Gupta."

The last pargraph in Shekhar Gupta's column is very true and insightful:

"Now what about the BJP and Team Anna? If this special sitting signified one thing, it was the lifting of the political veil between the two. In a democracy there can be no value judgment on who supports which party. It is a free country. But while Team Anna accuses the Congress of bad faith, does it complain against the Lokayukta amendment moved by the TMC which would have got the BJP’s support? It was, after all, one of the non-negotiable demands when Anna sat on his 13-day fast in August. Has any Team Anna megaphone as yet attacked the BJP for torpedoing the bill, or are they now okay with giving up the Lokayukta demand in harmony with the BJP? And the BJP, well, they continue to behave like a party that does not believe it will ever come to power. Its conduct in this session, as also its cynical bid to hijack the Lokpal agenda for the upcoming state elections, are of a piece with that."

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
17/D-14
Jan 01, 2012
02:41 AM

Mr Gupta BJP has exposed Congress in RS. You rants againt the BJP shows your deep fear that they may come back to power. Not a word againt the Gandhis. Mother and son duo never uttered a word in parliament and you never uttered a word against them. Loyality at its best!

Lata
Madrid, Spain
18/D-20
Jan 01, 2012
08:30 AM

"Mother and son duo never uttered a word in parliament "

No time. Ever since Anna/Ramdev raised the corruption/blackmoney issue, they had to go abroad for an emergency to take care of matters.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
19/D-21
Jan 01, 2012
08:36 AM

Have a chose a wrong photo grab for the article ? Narayanasamy seems to be thrusting the bill copy into Rajniti's hands. :)

Rajniti ???? What an irony !!!

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
20/D-23
Jan 01, 2012
09:12 AM

 It is amusing to see the print media (specifically Shekhar Gupta, Vinod Mehta & Vinod Sharma) and some "honourable" posters in this forum continuing to palm-off the blame of the Lokpal Bill fiasco onto the BJP and ofcourse Team Anna.

However, there are no concrete or logical rebuttals given when their arguments are punctured. This is my take on the entire issue:

a) Right from day 1 when the bill was placed in the parliament, BJP has listed down the reasons as to why it felt the bill is a weak bill and it was obvious to everyone that it would vote against the bill.

b) BJP did not support the constitutional amendment since it maintained (again from the beginning) that the bill was a weak bill. And as Soli Sorabjee said the Lokpal would draw powers from Lokpal Bill and not from the contitutional amendment. But we have Sachin Pilot going around channels that the BJP weakened the Lokpal by not voting for the constitutional amendment. And he is considered one of the brightest young stars for the future.

c) There is this accusation that BJP voted for the Lokpal in the Lok Sabha while it opposed the Bill in the Rajya Sabha for political reasons. The Lokpal was passed in the Loksabha through a voice vote. There was no "division". So no one actually knows who voted for the bill and who voted against it. It would indeed be stupid to say that the BJP voted for the bill in the Lok Sabha.

d) No blame, no criticism whatsoever of the TMC that messed up things. The blame for TMC's acrobatics and antics are being palmed off to the BJP - the BJP supported the TMC's amendments instead of opposing them. So the BJP is to be blamed. But the TMC? They are clean.

e) We have been told that the supremacy of the parliament should be respected (and Team Anna was disregarding the same). This is what the supremacy of the parliament is:
- eminent parliamentarians like Laloo yadav who treats the parliament like a "comedy circus" ring.

- eminent parliamentarians like Rajniti Yadav who tears up papers and flings them about. Yet, there is no condemnation of the act (atleast to the levels it deserves). On honourable secularist in this forum even said "this is nothing new".

- eminent parliamentarians like Abhishek Singhvi who uses the "humble semi-colon" to interpret that the sense of the house did not say that the Citizen's charter would not be part of Lokpal

- eminent parliamentarians like Kapil Sibal saying Lokpal has "minority reservation" while Abhishek Singhvi says that its not "reservation" but "minority representation" and finally Narayanasamy (another minister) being extremely ambiguous in his responses even when asked pointedly whether it was "reservation" or "representation".

- eminent parliamentarians like Narayanasamy who accuse people of "conflict of interest" without actually knowing the meaning or the context in which that phrase should be used

- eminent parliamentarian and prime minister, Manmohan Singh using the 12 O'clock excuse to make the great escape.

- eminent chair of the RS who adjourned the house though the opposition pleaded and said they were willing to sit-out the night and bring the debate to a logical conclusion - one way or the other.

The clean guys in this entire fiasco are Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi & Rahul Gandhi and the evil guys are BJP and Team Anna.

Whatever
Bangalore, India
21/D-24
Jan 01, 2012
09:17 AM

 As Paul Beckett from WSJ rightfully said:"If a government repeatedly can’t introduce key new measures because its own allies reject them, then it probably is not a government that is fit to govern. Nor is its leadership fit to lead."

The govt rolled back fuel prices, put FDI Retail on the back burner and scuttled the Lokpal after some arm-twisting by their ally TMC - all in a matter of 1-2 months. 

If the government allows a 15 member party to drive policy in a 543 member house, then that government does not have any right to represent the people.

Whatever
Bangalore, India
22/D-28
Jan 01, 2012
10:36 AM

Vinod Mehta called 'Saint Sonia'.Now we have 'Saint Manmohan' in deep Tapas like Viswamitra.He needs a Menaka to disrupt him from his samadhi.That Menaka can only be Sonia.But,both beyond procreating age,to produce a Shakuntala.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
23/D-31
Jan 01, 2012
12:44 PM

Our resident toady cannot rest without copying and pasting something from an article that is there for all to see. As for Gupta, his own paper had the headline on the frontpages yesterday that Team Anna is on the same page as Mamata and BJP now on the issue of Lokayukta and only wanted CBI autonomous and the hiring and firing practice fixed. But the stinkers and lackeys cannot rest unless they prove their loyalty to their paymasters.

Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
24/D-34
Jan 01, 2012
02:09 PM

Shekhar Gupta is one of the worst examples one can quote. The man is a total dynasty chamcha. If people like Anwaar have to resort to quoting them, it only shows how utterly bankrupt his own views are.

Alakshyendra
Hyderabad, India
25/D-35
Jan 01, 2012
02:22 PM

some "honourable" posters in this forum continuing to palm-off the blame of the Lokpal Bill fiasco onto the BJP and ofcourse Team Anna.

The Congress Party now is majorly responsible for spiking the so called the Lokpal Bill. 'So alled' because this bill would have been  another one of those myriad of bills which are not taken seriously. But the BJP is ne less responsible for this state of affairs & the fiasco.

a) Right from day 1 when the bill was placed in the parliament, BJP has listed down the reasons as to why it felt the bill is a weak bill

Why did the BJP agree to discuss the bill & vote on the same day in the lower house? Why they did not insist on the draft bill be circulated in advance before being taken up in the house. The BJP has been disrupting proceedings of the house for lesser reasons. They suddenly became puscillanimious on the all important LokPal Bill.

BJP did not support the constitutional amendment

What is wrong if the Lokpal became a constitutional authority Like the CEC, Supreme Court or the CAG. Have'nt we seen what happens to the CVC ?

The Lokpal was passed in the Loksabha through a voice vote. There was no "division".

Why the BJP did not insist on a division ?

No blame, no criticism whatsoever of the TMC that messed up things.

The TMC along with the BJP took part in the high stake match fixing. The TMC is a one man party & Mamata is consummate politician. But she along with her rabble rousing capacities, a least has a reputation for being incorruptible which cannot be said of the BJP politicos.

We have been told that the supremacy of the parliament should be respected

Wasn't the BJP  all along one with Congress Party about this irrelevant sermonising about supremacy of parliament on the Lokpal issue ?

The clean guys in this entire fiasco are Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi & Rahul Gandhi and the evil guys are BJP and Team Anna.

When the ush came to shove , not only the emperor, all his courtiers were found to be without clothes.

Less said about the government is better. But fact is the BJP wanted to eat the cake & have it too. They wanted to reap political brownie points through Anna movement & no meaningful anti-corruption mechanism.

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
26/D-40
Jan 01, 2012
03:55 PM

OKAY EVERYONE HERE - CONG SUPPORTERS, NDA SUPPORTERS, LEFTISTS, MEDIA FOLKS  - A QUICK QUESTION ....

After all this drama - Will Congress go ahead and announce Hamid Ansari as the next candidate for Presidential elections ? Any views?

Or to put it other way - Has Hamid Ansari passed the test of loyalty for being accepted as the Gandhi Family Nominee for India's most powerful post ? Or does he need to do more to become the Congress's acceptable candidate for the post?

Ramki
Delhi, India
27/D-65
Jan 01, 2012
07:10 PM

Indian an Parliament proved Anna right :Sheela Bhatt in New

The Congress Party deserves no pity because it got caught in its own web of deceit. They created a product they did not want and ensured nobody bought it. Sheela Bhatt reports.

Before the Congress could understand the complexity of the moment, it was pushed to the wall. Around 11.15 pm, Congress was not allowed to escape from putting the bill (which they were so proud about since the last 24 hours) to vote. Non-Congress parties like the Left, SP and BSP were keeping watch along with the BJP to ensure that Congress sponsored MPs of friendly parties like RJD don't create a ruckus to give an excuse to the Chairman of the House, Hamid Ansari, to end the session.

No excuse was given, but still, Hamid Ansari did not pay heed to the demands of the Opposition parties. That was the sorry moment. "

www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-indian-parliament-proved-anna-right/20111230.htm

a k ghai
mumbai, India
28/D-66
Jan 01, 2012
07:31 PM

'Two suicides and a murder .Meghnand Desai

1 The Anna Movement committed suicide on the 28th with the fast being abandoned, no jail bharo and no coherent programme.

2 But relieved of the Anna threat, the UPA too then committed suicide. It started with Sonia Gandhi asserting that the Congress was ready for a fight but the party put on a shambolic show. It was unprepared. Even in small things like getting all their MPs to attend the Lok Sabha

Here the crucial element was the fact that the CEC had announced the dates of the UP polling just then. This occupied the minds of all parties. The crucial prize is the Muslim vote bank which the Congress lost--
-The Congress has so bankrupted itself that its only line of defence and attack is to blame the BJP for everything. Hence the strange doctrine that it was BJP’s fault that the Congress could not get its two-thirds majority for Constitutional Amendments. If only the Congress stopped abusing the BJP day in and day out, it may win its co-operation. So why blame the BJP for its own inadequacies?

In the final half hour, the Congress orchestrated a noisy riot to avoid any vote and prevented the Rajya Sabha from functioning. All because it could not face losing votes which it surely would have. An unruly riot replaced parliamentary deliberation. This is the way democracy begins to end as strong arm tactics replace arguments and votes. It was parliamentary democracy which was murdered by the Congress by midnight 29th.'

www.indianexpress.com/news/two-suicides-and-a-murder/894278/

a k ghai
mumbai, India
29/D-84
Jan 01, 2012
11:24 PM

India free from the British since 1947 and slave to he dynasty ever since...

Kiran Voleti
Chennai, India
30/D-2
Jan 02, 2012
12:50 AM

The Midnight Mêlée:

Personal observations of sense conveyed by various political parties at the end of Lokpal debate:


One thing stood out singularly throughout the discussions_ all parliamentarians cutting across party lines were fighting for self-preservation foremost and national interest was just a by-product. 
While everybody mouthed that they wanted a strong Lokpal, an amendment that sought to make his appointment a constitutional body, was defeated.


Sushma Swaraj asserted it was not the BJP’s responsibility to fulfil Congress MP and its Party General Secretary’s dream of making the Lokpal a constitutional body. According to her, its failure was lack of floor management by ruling party. Hopefully Sushmaji’s party in its one-upmanship of grandstanding does not forget its obligation to realize a watching public’s aspirations.

Congress speaker in the Rajya Sabha, veteran Abhishek Singhvi, while demolishing leader of opposition BJP’s war-horse Arun Jaitley’s arguments why CBI should be removed from government control and put under Lokpal, opted to conclude his forceful substantiated counterpoints on why checks and balances were paramount in appointment of Lokpal, with the clichéd quote: ‘Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely’. Later when it was BJP’s old-hand Ram Jethmalani’s turn to speak, he took a pot-shot at the government, “.......and fear of loss of power corrupts absolutely.”  To which one may quip “.......and not being in power corrupts in totality”.


Post the inconclusive debate in Rajya Sabha at the Cinderella hour when Government fell back on prerogative and decided against an extension period or putting the Lokpal Bill to vote under prevailing intemperate circumstances, thereof taking the wind out of the sails of the main opposition party who were banking on and confident of defeating a mishmash controversial Lokpal Bill in the Rajya Sabha, the latter accused government outside Parliament of being bereft of moral authority to continue in governance and grandiosely professed that electorate would certainly hound them out at the next election. Glaringly forgetting that barely hours before inside the two Houses their unrelenting insistence to take the CBI away from control of the government and put it under Lokpal appeared to be stemmed in latent apprehension as if Congress was going to stay in power in perpetuity.


Strangely, singing civil society’s tune, fight against corruption is intended to close door on this system malaise by opening a window to another centre of unbridled power sought to be vested in the Lokpal. Some paradox this!


Cynics cry hoarse that the midnight mêlée in Rajya Sabha was too transparent and obvious for government to deny choreography charge. Guilty as it is of mismanagement and gaffes, the ruling party is not so stupid as to leak ruckus strategy to the news channels hours before it was executed, knowing it was a one way street to hara-kiri with the entire nation glued to their TV sets. There was no need for Government to strategize such a dim-witted commotion when it had the constitutionally backed option of privilege to lean on? Someone wanted to sabotage and embarrass the Government.


An unbiased personal post-mortem after listening to both sides tilts one in favour of the government’s honest efforts in giving the nation a long overdue Lokpal. The Congress led government has already taken the first step in the long exhausting Lokpal journey of a thousand obstacles. Lack of parliamentary courtesy in abrupt closure of Rajya Sabha proceedings is a bad slip-up. However there is no harm in letting government take a breather to consolidate bill and continue unfinished Lokpal business in the next Parliament session with a streamlined bill. The short intervening break of eight-ten weeks will not Kill Bill when Government has willingly suffered a calculated loss of face to save rushed Lokpal Bill in present incomplete form from certain defeat in the Rajya Sabha as hoped and chalked out by oppositiion.

There no takers for Congress explanation but Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government deserves one opportunity to prove its sincere intent or else the electorate holds the key in its hands for a fitting reply.
 

Mickie Sorabjee
Mumbai, India
31/D-32
Jan 02, 2012
10:15 AM

>>To which one may quip “.......and not being in power corrupts in totality”.

Except it sounds extremely stupid. I guess world over we have parties fighting for NOT being in power!!

RSM
Delhi, India
32/D-33
Jan 02, 2012
10:17 AM

>>An unbiased personal post-mortem after listening to both sides tilts one in favour of the government’s honest efforts in giving the nation a long overdue Lokpal.

Yeah right!

RSM
Delhi, India
33/D-34
Jan 02, 2012
10:22 AM

">>To which one may quip “.......and not being in power corrupts in totality”.

  Except it sounds extremely stupid."

It sounds stupid because it is stupid. If you are not in power, you simply don't have the opportunity to be corrupt.

K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
34/D-38
Jan 02, 2012
11:04 AM

Messrs K. Suresh & RSM, It is no secret and not entirely unknown to what unethical depths those not in power stoop just to snatch it! Desperate for their chance to be corrupt in power :-) 

Mickie Sorabjee
Mumbai, India
35/D-48
Jan 02, 2012
12:27 PM

>>Messrs K. Suresh & RSM, It is no secret and not entirely unknown to what unethical depths those not in power stoop just to snatch it!

So now alleged stooping to unethical depths is the same as being corrupt? Looks more like a desperate attempt to deflect the corruption charge against the Congress!

RSM
Delhi, India
36/D-74
Jan 02, 2012
06:31 PM

Power corrupts , absolute power corrupts abslutely. Lack of power salivates. Prospect of power is when the tail start waging the dog..

MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
37/D-39
Jan 03, 2012
01:00 PM

 From the Streets to the Parliament it is Corruption against Corruption. 

Durai
Gurgaon, India
38/D-60
Jan 03, 2012
06:49 PM
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a k ghai
mumbai, India
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