A national level challenger party will have to be a secular party ....
There had been several attempts for it but none succeeded.
Why ? Why would people vote for a Congress clone ?
>> Even in a largely monocultural, homogenic democracy such as USA, the principal political parties essentially appeal to some big segment of population.
Both Democrats and Republicans do get substantial support from Blacks, Jews, Catholics, millionaires, union workers and people who run small businesses. In India caste based parties, Muslim parties and an RSS-affiliated party produce major distortions in our democratic secular fabric.
Anwaar >> A national level challenger party will have to be a secular party that appeals to all segments of the population
Even in a largely monocultural, homogenic democracy such as USA, the principal political parties essentially appeal to some big segment of population. Repubs appeal to the well off, enterprenueral class, and generally the WASP segment while Dems appeal to working class, media employed (read the Hollywood limousine liberal types), racial minorities, and outlier groups (like Homosexuals, radical feminists, trade unionists) and liberal leftists.
In a poly ethnic, polycultural society like India, it is no surprise that political parties essentially represent either a particular ethnic group or a language group or a ideology. Or we have something like Congress which pretend to represent all people but actually are extended arms of a political dynasty.
Forget having a secular party that appeals to all segments of the population. What about the laws of the land, do they first of all past the test of secularism?
We have Article 370 in constitution which itself is a unsecular law that gives extra privilege to some few million people in particular part of India only because their state happens to have a faith different from other states.
The same constitution allows people of some religions to have a separate civil code and people of some other religions to follow a common civil code. Is this secular?
We have a constitution does not prohibit laws that discriminate based on religion (such as the Communal violence bill proposed by NAC) and we have a legal framework that does not prohibit executive from making job reservations based on religion.
So to ask for secular party when we have a unsecular and perverted legal structure is to ask for a ship (to travel) when you live in a barren desert.
@Pankaj and Anwaar
What is wrong with government schools and what is so great about Christian schools?
I won't bite back at left-liberals.
I too went to a Christian School, but graduates of my school would not make ignorant remarks such as the one in comment No: 16.
I went to a civilised Christian School which (fortunately) was not Left-Liberal and where we used to recite Vande Mataram as well and yes My History teacher (a Muslim GENTLEMAN) referred to Aurangzeb as a religious fanatic who broke several temples.
He taught us to read history without bias and using BRAINS. And about political history he taught us how bapoo was wrong in supporting the Khilafat movement and how secular Jinnah was as an individual (but not as a politician).
Looks like you either went to a Madrasa only or to a "Left Liberal" school ALONGWITH Madrasa.
>> With the BJP cultivating the majority community as its vote bank, the minorities have gravitated to Congress.
BJP is also to blame for the chronic indigestion suffered by the stuck pigs.
"With the BJP cultivating the majority community as its vote bank, the minorities have gravitated to Congress."
It was the other way round. With the congress cultivating the minority community as its vote bank, the majorities have gravitated to BJP.
But then u learn everything in a Madarsa in reverse order.
Did you go to a government school?
Did you go to a government school?
And this is the, to use his own words, ill-bred moron who's always giving lectures to others on civility. His desperation to somehow absolve his paymasters and his beloved party from all its sins sees him get more and more hysterical, thereby exposing himself. Or, showing his asli chehra.
>> The majority community is the biggest supporter of caste based and communal congress.
But the BJP made its biggest inroads in the majority community.
>> The minority was ALWAYS with the congress.
Many were with Socialists, Communists and Muslim parties.
>> "communal negative voting..."
Another name for BJP's vote bank :-)
The majority community is the biggest supporter of caste based and communal congress. The minority was ALWAYS with the congress. If you have not understood this so far, I am sorry you have to go back to school (a REAL worthy school)
Congress wins most of the seats in Parliament due to "communal negative voting of minorities to defeat BJP". The minorities does not want India to progress too rapidly leaving Pakistan far behind which will be seen as failure of ISLAM & "ISLAMIC Pakistan" and victory of "secular values" as both the countries became independent together in 1947. So minorities keeps pulling back India as best as they can.
>> Congress is PROVED to be communal as per this article.
With the BJP cultivating the majority community as its vote bank, the minorities have gravitated to Congress. The need is for two major parties, neither of which is communal.
We Indians have been and are being taken for a ride by Anna Hazare and his team members. " KEL
We the People of India have been taken for ride right from your honourable Master's Rule -Lord Clive to UPA II
You should be happy to know that we the People of India have been taken for another ride for a very petty amount of Rs 12,000 Crores Pulse (Dal) Import Ghotala .What a small loot compared to 176 Lac Crores Ghotala.
Await new revelations by CAG! Happy KEl or disapponted with such a petty Loot ?? Hope next will be better one .
Here we have the Congress which has kept the Muslim community ghettoized for 60 years with no hope for the future and then there's the BJP which calls for treating everyone as Indians first and then as Hindus, Muslims etc. The more influential section amongst Muslims (people like Anwaar), almost as a Pavlovian instinct have more faith in the Congress; no wonder the Muslim community lags behind others and there's no hope, at least in the near future.
Anwar Bhai Post#5,
Congress is PROVED to be communal as per this article. The Opposition to Congress is BJP (whi is communal according to you). So you have a comparison between rotten apples!
As regards a secular party, I owuld like to know which party you have in mind! I am sure there is no True Blue secular party which is genuinely interested in Aam Aadmi (not the parties who are involved in Minority/Dalit/OBC/Language Asmita or any such panedring!
No luck mate!
Haven't seen a more powerful case for the disbandment of the Congress. A party that has been in power for 3/4ths of the time India has been independent still finds it convenient to blame the BJP for the rampant communalism and endemic corruption we face. How pathetic can it get!!
As usual, Digvijaya is blaming the BJP and Anna for defeat of Constitution Bill. Would he care to tell us why the number of Congress MPs who voted for the bill was far less than the number of Congress MPs in the LS? And why were several Congress and UPA MPs missing in action?
>> A national level challenger party will have to be a secular party that appeals to all segments of the population. We do not have such a party as of now.
So a castiest, communal party is secular.
>>A national level challenger party will have to be a secular party that appeals to all segments of the population. We do not have such a party as of now.
The article portrays the Congress as corrupt, communal and casteist. Yet the standards of secularism should apply only to the national level challenger. And since the challenger does not meet the standard (allegedly), by implication the Congress should continue to rule! Congress lackeys are one pathetic bunch!
>>India’s tragedy is that there is no national level challenger to this party
All such statements are subtle justifications for the Congress to remain in power. Why don't we simply let the voters decide that?
The keyword 'Dynastic' is missing in the attributes..
>> "Muslim youth are often unfairly and unconscionably targeted by the police. A lot of this may have to do with discrimination. But it is equally likely that the roots of this are the same as those that make custodial violence in India so common: the weakness of the police force. Impunity in police often has roots in weakness, not prejudice. When it does not have the adequate means, social esteem is low and it is put under pressure, police forces will do all kinds of things to be seen to get results. So discrimination against Muslims will be better addressed, not by reservations, but by police reform."
Pratap Bhanu Mehta speaks the truth. His analysis is accurate.
>> "India’s tragedy is that there is no national level challenger to this party..."
A national level challenger party will have to be a secular party that appeals to all segments of the population. We do not have such a party as of now.
What Mehta writes about the Congress today was known to anyone who had the faintest knowledge of Indian history. Yet the consensus amongs the editors and intellectuals is that it is a 'liberal' party with a liberal agenda.
Perhaps the Congress is in love with the “C” in its name. Corruption was not enough. It had to become corrupt, casteist, communal and cynical. India’s tragedy is that there is no national level challenger to this party that is diminishing us all. " Mehta
Mein na manoo.Mein na Manoo . Only Modi is corrupt, casteist, communal and cynical !!
Excellent article but he missed one C, that is Cunning. That helps the party to win elections
As always, Mr. Pratap Bhanu Mehta hits the nail right on the head. Superb piece again...