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1/D-9
Jun 17, 2011
07:12 AM

Sarmila Bose says that Bengalis in Bangladesh committed atrocities against non-Bengalis in their 1971 war of independence, just as the Pakistani Army committed atrocities against Bengalis. She doubts the oft quoted figure of 3 million Bengalis being killed by the Pakistan Army, but undoubtedly the casualties were high.

Soth Asia is a very violent subcontinent. Perhaps a million Hindus and Muslims were killed as a result of partition in 1947. More than 20,000 Tamil civilians were killed by the Sri Lankan Army in the last days of their civil war. An estimated 70,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed since 1988. Over 35,000 Pakistanis have been killed over the past 7 years by Taliban and other terrorists. In the war with the Naxals over 5000 people have been killed since 2006.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-25
Jun 17, 2011
09:57 AM

"According to her book, Bangladeshis are prone to melodrama and self-pity, with a blind hate and vindictiveness towards the West Pakistani army – not so surprising, given that the violence was perpetrated by the army. To her, Pakistani army personnel are gentle, quiet, kind, honest, "fine men" with a good humour and "with no ethnic bias against the Bengalis"

Sarmila Bose is  another Burney who wrote that 26/11  RSS ki Sajish.. Who is her Digvijay Singh ? She should invite Digi and the crowds in Lucknow,Mumbai and Hyderabad who graced the release of Burney's book .The Book will however sell like hot cakes in Pakistan

a k ghai
mumbai, India
3/D-27
Jun 17, 2011
10:28 AM

South Asia is a very violent subcontinent. Perhaps a million Hindus and Muslims were killed as a result of partition in 1947.--An estimated 70,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed since 1988.Over 35,000 Pakistanis have been killed over the past 7 years by Taliban and other terrorists. In the w"  Faruki

AND WHAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL THESE KILLINGS ? MUSLIMS or other Races ?

Unfortunately  Muslims are in constant strife with others be in South Asia,South east Asia or Pacific Nations or Africa or Arab Lands or even in their adopted Countries like USA and EU hence prosperity and peace are the first causalities . Unmitigated Poverty is the end result.


Muslims created Pakistan with horrible blood shed .Then killed 30 lac Muslims including Hindus ,raped a million women  in East Pakistan  the present Bangla Desh. Now they are engaged in Fratricidal extermination of the Muslims in Pakistan ,Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia etc.

I admit that Prophet sahib ( PBUH ) envisaged Islam as the the Religion of Peace and Prosperity.But the practioners of Islam don't follow  Paigamber sahib any more !

Efforts of Madam Roys ,Burneys to paint Pakistanies in white colours  are not only crude and but also fradulent ones.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
4/D-29
Jun 17, 2011
10:48 AM

[According to her book, Bangladeshis are prone to melodrama and self-pity, with a blind hate and vindictiveness towards the West Pakistani army]

The truth is never so simple.

Zafar
Sydney, Australia
5/D-34
Jun 17, 2011
11:51 AM

Ghai,

>> AND WHAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL THESE KILLINGS ? MUSLIMS or other Races ?

You deliberately omitted the following sentences from my post: "More than 20,000 Tamil civilians were killed by the Sri Lankan Army in the last days of their civil war." and, "In the war with the Naxals over 5000 people have been killed since 2006."

 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
6/D-39
Jun 17, 2011
12:11 PM

At a massive public meeting addressed by Mujibur Rehman,immediately after Bangladesh was formed,Tiger Siddiqui killed a few Biharis for the cameras.Apart from a few stray incidents like this, Biharis who opted to continue as Pakistanis, were hardly attacked.Though the Indian media expressed that there will be largescale migration of Biharis to India,nothing like that ever happened.On the other hand Pakistan refused to allow Biharis to settle in Pakistan.Now,all those Biharis have settled down in Bangladesh.Infact,most of Islamic terrorists,like HUJI,comprises Biharis and not Bengali Muslims.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
7/D-43
Jun 17, 2011
12:34 PM

You deliberately omitted the following sentences from my post: "More than 20,000 Tamil civilians were killed by the Sri Lankan Army in the last days of their civil war." and, "In the war with the Naxals over 5000 people have been killed since 2006." Faruki

Tamils were in Civil war against Sihanleis  .Naxals are on revolt against the brutal Administrative System which is exploiting the have nots .

But fratricidal killings within Islamic society which is reaching dangerous proportions don't fall under the same category.Hence the omission .

Madam Roy tries to portray Pakistani Army now when the Army has destroyed the dream Country of Muslims .Hindus had accepted the division of the Country and creation of Land of Sub Continental Muslims .Yet they themselves destroyed their dream . Now we are having racial problems in India too due destabilzation of Pakistani Society.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
8/D-47
Jun 17, 2011
01:05 PM

You deliberately omitted the following sentences from my post: "More than 20,000 Tamil civilians were killed by the Sri Lankan Army in the last days of their civil war." and, "In the war with the Naxals over 5000 people have been killed since 2006."

and you omitted:
1) Post 1947 religious cleansing in Pakistan

2) Religious cleansing in Kashmir by naughty boys from Pakistan

and of course the history did not start from 1947 in South Asia. Ignoring previous 900 yrs of history does not help

ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
9/D-52
Jun 17, 2011
01:34 PM

Ghai,

>> Tamils were in Civil war against Sihanleis.

And what was the civil war about? Apart from your passion to say something bad about Muslims, you seem to have no other motivation driving you.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
10/D-56
Jun 17, 2011
01:55 PM

Tamils were in Civil war against Sihanleis  ... A K Ghai

Looks like you never comprehended the reasons behind that "civil war".  It had to do with language as also the citizenship rights of the Tamils particularly of those were residing in the northern parts of Sri Lanka for more than or around two thousand years! There are more reasons as well for the buildup of this conflict.

R V Subramanian
Gurgaon, India
11/D-57
Jun 17, 2011
01:58 PM

And what was the civil war about? Apart from your passion to say something bad about Muslims, you seem to have no other motivation driving you. "

Boss no passion against Muslims .Why should I have ?

'What the Civil war was '
 

Whatever may be but that was not about Pakistani Army's  fatricidal killings which Madam Bose says do not exist .And even if you say Srilankans engaged in fratricidal killings that does not justify what happened in East Pakistan long back. 

a k ghai
mumbai, India
12/D-58
Jun 17, 2011
02:00 PM

Anbanerjee,

>> and you omitted: 1) Post 1947 religious cleansing in Pakistan 2) Religious cleansing in Kashmir by naughty boys from Pakistan.

I gave the figures for killings only.  I did say, "a million Hindus and Muslims were killed as a result of partition in 1947."  I did not include the fact that 316 Kashmiri Pandits were killed since 1989 (official figures), just as I did not include the fact that 700 people (official figure) were killed in Gujarat in 2002. I included figures of more than 5000 only.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
13/D-60
Jun 17, 2011
02:04 PM

Looks like you never comprehended the reasons behind that "civil war". It had to do with language as also the citizenship rights of the Tamils particularly of those were residing in the northern parts of Sri Lanka for more than or around two thousand years! There are more reasons as well for the buildup of this conflict." Subramanium

I had never denied them . I simply said Civil War was on.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
14/D-63
Jun 17, 2011
02:11 PM

just as I did not include the fact that 700 people (official figure) were killed in Gujarat in 2002 ' Faruki

Home Ministry Delhi has officially revised the figures for Gujarat to around 1200 including Hindus and Muslims killed in riots and Police firings.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
15/D-64
Jun 17, 2011
02:15 PM

Mr Ghai, to brush it aside as a civil war is to dismiss the years of atrocities against Tamils (who in fact happen to be of Indian Origin!).

R V Subramanian
Gurgaon, India
16/D-65
Jun 17, 2011
02:29 PM

Powerful missionaries wanted to carve out a Christian state in northern Sri Lanka and that would have been a spring board for speedier Christianisation of southern districts of Tamil Nadu.Tamil Eeelam was a coverup name for a Christian nation and they used Hindu Tamil leaders like Prabhakaran to achieve their goal.This is an exact replica of what happened in Nepal.In the name of Maoism,the sole Hindu nation in the world was destroyed by Christian missionaries and today Churches are springing up everywhere.Buddhists and Hindu Tamils should join hands to work out a formula for peaceful coexistence.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
17/D-68
Jun 17, 2011
02:46 PM

to brush it aside as a civil war is to dismiss the years of atrocities against Tamils (who in fact happen to be of Indian Origin!)."

Boss I never brushed aside .Tamil War or rather genocideand  the Bangla War both are different threads.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
18/D-96
Jun 17, 2011
06:09 PM

One of the quickest ways for one to gain noticeabilty is to raise controversies, it is a different matter whether ones findings/ conclusions are credible or not.

R V Subramanian
Gurgaon, India
19/D-105
Jun 17, 2011
07:37 PM

 http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/?page_id=12

Thats a link, for those who would care to read to a collection of several hundred archived articles and news reports from the likes of the New York Times, the Daily Telegraph, Time Magazine etc, documenting the genocide as it happened. Could all of them have been lying? About ten million refugees were living in India at that time. Did they just come over for a picnic?

akshay
Ludhiana, India
20/D-107
Jun 17, 2011
08:08 PM

Another attempt to rewite history, akin to the holocaust deniers.

Bhagat Singh
Atlantis, Heard and McDonald Islands
21/D-133
Jun 17, 2011
10:59 PM

I don't know how did Ms. Bose conduct her research, but I pressume she must have interviewed many people in Bangladesh.  She seems to have ignored media coverage at the time of 1971 war.  I distinctly remember, almost all american press but especially The Christian Science Monitor was very harsh on West Pakistan and very pro-East Pakistan and very sympathatic towards Indian position.  (Although the Nixon admistration was complete opposite)  Having said that, I must add that I saw a poll from Bangladesh which showed some 75 per cent Bangladeshi are pro-Pakistan (could that be as opposed to pro-India?).

P.B. Joshipura
Suffolk, Virginia, United States
22/D-27
Jun 18, 2011
06:01 AM

Response to trash spewed by Bose

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/bangladesh-liberation-war-sarmila-bose

Prakash Kumar
New Delhi, India
23/D-29
Jun 18, 2011
06:40 AM

In mass upsurges and large scale uprisings such as the War of Independence in Bangladesh(1971), what exactly happened remains obviously hazy. Partial truths and lies do co-exist along with with facts. So history keeps getting modified across time and generations as per the historians' research objectives, methodologies and deep rooted prejudices. Therefore,an "objective history" is a myth.A hstorian can only honestly try and set aside his  preconceived notions and strive for historical truth, so called. But he is unlikely to succeed in this endeavour. As one can see, there are still people who deny the occurence of Holocaust during time of World War II. 

Notwithstanding the above, to potray the Pakistani generals as" fine gentlemen" during the Bangladeshi uprising is not only preposterous but also disgusting .If they were so fine, millions of Bangladeshis would not have fled the then  East Pakistan into India.Here lies this hitorian's brazen prejudice and unabashed objective. There might have been exaggeraions of  the Pakistani army's atrocities on the Bangladeshi people, but their crimes cannot be equated with the Bangladeshis' execesses on the Biharis , so called.What the army did in Bangladesh were race/language--related war crimes against the Bangladeshis.

"Bangladesh..Bangladesh, ami tumaki balaboshi ..Jug Jug Jiyo Bangladesh"  !

G. Niranjan Rao
Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India
24/D-36
Jun 18, 2011
10:35 AM

 If this were a work of serious scholarship, it should make its way through serious academic scrutiny and evolve a consensus around its assertions and nuances.

On the other hand, if it is a sensationalist theory aimed at fanning publicity by inflamming opinion.  It is best to ignore such pieces until scholarship catches up with them.  They hold very little of value (and fall under the broad category of "making shit up").  Of course, even made up stuff can be true sometimes, but that needs to be looked at by the author's peers.

vijay
Chennai, India
25/D-7
Jun 19, 2011
01:04 AM

Bangladesh's war of Independence did not start as a civil war; ie war between two groups of civilians! It was an unequal war between Pakistan's Armed forces and unarmed Pakistani citizens of Bengali origin. It defies logic that a civilian rag tag force can execute large scale atrocities against their better equipped professional opponents. Let there be no doubt that Pakistan army and their local collaborator Razakars had most of the guns. If the  well documented large scale massacre at Dhaka university is any indication, these forces were systematically annihilating every possible source of opposition even when it was just an intellectual one. Forget about local resistence or suspected supporters of Bangla cause. However  there are still a  very large number of participants alive and it is fairly an easy task to tally  the number of Bangla dead to Pakistani dead. Even if we look at only the recorded and documented instances , you'll find the number of Bangla victims extremely high in comparison. Real numbers are scarier.  This was the situation until Indian army came into the picture. Well after that Bangla forces had no chance of committing atrocities. If there were any it could only be done by  the Indian Army. And we all know Indian army kept the 90,000 Pakistani soldiers safe in POW camps.  I am certain there were dozens of one off incidents but to pass them off as " large scale atrocites by Bangladesh 'is a conclusion that can only be arrived at if Sharmila premeditatedly included only those intances that prove her thesis. Or maybe she needs new reading glasses , since she does not know her charts are upside down.

Ashutosh Kaul
Toronto, Canada
26/D-137
Jun 19, 2011
11:54 PM

 Irony it is, a woman speaks with a military's tongue! 

Cynthia enloe is so correct to suggest that the cruelest reality of the globalised epoch is that of the militarization of women's lives. The US born, Indian author, Sarmila Bose and her Dead Reckoning demonstrate this reality once again.

I won't speak here much, but will only make an official allegation against the UK media,  i.e. BBC and the Guardian,  as they all got mad to re-create an ethnic conflict in South Asia, featuring India as the war criminals and Bangladesh as victims. The fact that I am a Bengali woman, whose only proud is the courage of her nation and very own people who were as brave as to stand firm and resilient when evil power tended to rise. I have never seen myself as a victim but a survivor. Nor did I beleive that Bangladesh is a victim. I was always aware that we are so lucky to have our nation free from the military and fundamentalists of the then Pakistan. India has been a 'good neighbour' of us who provided all neccessary support from logistics to training and accommodation during the turm oil. Never mind if one Bose is so blind to begin a journey calls 'Dead Recknoning'. She herself confessed on the onset of the book that she did not know what she is talking about and where she is going. It may happen that her very 'gentle' and 'fine men' Pkaistani military had chopped her well.

Just wait, and keep upward. She will learn over time. When it will be a little too late for her to scape. 

Nirjana
London, United Kingdom
27/D-94
Jun 20, 2011
05:00 PM

Sarmila Bose has been deliberatly controversial to help her to flog her book.I wonder what the professional bleeding heart -Arunditha Roy has to say about the work.Perhaps she is busy being the mouthpiece of Maoist & Kashmiri terrorists.

The Bose woman could have written a paragraph or so for the thousands of our brave soldiers who gave their lives to create Bangla Desh for the ungrateful Bangla Deshis.

Hriday
London, United Kingdom
28/D-95
Jun 21, 2011
09:25 PM

Controversies sell BOOKS and make money. So what is new?

Charan dewry
Guwahati, India
29/D-83
Jul 07, 2011
04:22 PM

 Below is a complaint to the BBC news by an expert on gender, war and militarisim, which was made on the following day, but has never been published by BBC for their lack of courage and/or the politics of funadamnetalism and militarism. 

Complaint to BBC on 17 June:


Dear Editor,

Subject: Complaint to the report entitled 'Controversial book accuses Bengalis of 1971 war crimes, 16 June 2011'

I Rumana Hashem, a researcher and academic staff in University of East London, write to you as a sincere subscriber of BBC World news. I have recognised several severe issues in the report you have published on 16 June, 2011. Please see link here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13417170

The above report is appallingly bias.

The biasness of the report first becomes obvious in the identification of the author as ‘Western scholar’, and its critics as ‘Bangladeshi academics’. In reality, the author of the book Dead Reckoning is an Indian woman, trying to write essays in English. The author herself confessed her Indian identity at the very onset of the book. She noted that she was interested to write a book based on her own memories during 1971. As she grew up in her homeland Calcutta, she had the opportunity to see the war in her neighbouring nation Bangladesh.

Identifying the author of the book as a ‘western scholar’ the report goes on to call other academics as ‘Bangladeshi academics’, those who criticised the book for its inconsistent methodology and inadequate analyses, but serves the British academia as teachers and researchers with a South Asian background. Does this make much sense?

Even if Bose was a western writer, this way of identification would be deemed as bias. For academia and social science research ethics do not much vary in geographical context. An abiding ‘disparity’ and sustaining ‘ethnic’ bias is obvious in the distinctive identification of scholars.

The report continues to feed indistinct information claiming that ‘Bangladeshi academics are lining up to attack her book’. This is untrue. Except for a few, most Bangladeshi academics are yet to read the book. For them, this is not a book to engage with, as there are many more interesting and critical analyses on 1971, published throughout the last decade. Many Bangladeshi academics disagreed to comment on the book, let alone ‘lining up to attack’.

The report is such bias that it failed to recognise the person it interviewed. Blaming the Bangladeshi academics as aggressive, it went to interview Naeem Mohiamen. As far as I am concerned, Naeem Mohaimen is an activist- writer, a free lance journalist, a blogger and an intellectual who does not claim an academic identity for himself. If Bangladeshi academics were to engage with critics on Dead Reckoning, this book would have found simply corresponding with the mongeres and fundamentalists, those who dragged out thousands of Bengali women from home to the Pakistani military camps for entertainment of the soldiers.

I write this complaint as a feminist researcher and an academic staff in UK, whose origin is Bangladesh, and whose family have experienced much repression and loss by Pakistani military. . As I look at the book through my western- researcher eyes, the book entails overwhelming issues. The author proposed to write an academic essay stating that there was a dearth of literature ‘in terms of research, analysis and objectivity’ on the liberation war of Bangladesh, 1971. Ironically, the book ends up as an uneven documentary that a few uncritical journalists, without an academic background, would have written.

According to the social science research ethics in UK, in USA and across the globe, an academic essay must demonstrate a precise methodology elucidating the objectivity of the research. The book merely ignored this suggestion. It does not tell us how the author reached military men, through which networks. Nor does it tell us how the military men became so ‘kind’, ‘gentle’ and ‘humorous’ with the researcher, what persuaded them to be so well-behaved as ‘fine men’? It is difficult to see how the military men, those who violated the sexual border of my auntie, those who took away my sisters memory forever, those who tortured my late father for being a volunteer to villagers who lost families and friends in the war, have turned out so ‘quiet’ and ‘honest’ to a female researcher overnight without a motivation? This book does not give us any clue about the research process, it rather dictates an illusionary conclusion of the war.

At the onset of the book, the author notes that it would provide us an insight of the war, but it goes on to re-humiliate the victims with its militaristic slung and gender-skewed data. The author interviewed 72 men, of which 33 are military personnel, and only 5 women, and declared that there was no such mass rape in the war. Seemingly ignoring social sciences research ethics, the author notes that ‘the victim’s account is rubbish’. Pakistani military men are ‘gentle’, ‘kind’, quiet and honest. They had ‘good humour’. An academic researcher is not allowed to make such offensive comments on her subjects, especially those who obtained graduation, those who were given the ‘certificate of graduate’ on condition to be scientific in approach.

The report is inaccurate in many ways. I have only pointed out a few of them. The review of the book is done by a male journalist who failed to see the issues the book involves. The report failed to incorporate interviews of European scholars about the book. Nor does the report explain why academics in the UK, especially women academics were not considered to review the book. Instead, the reporter himself took the liberty to certify the book as an objective documentary and the first in its kind by a Western author.

Apparently this last claim of the report is false too. There has been a growing and vigorous body of critical literature which were undertaken by both South Asian and European scholars in the last four decades. In 1975, on the year of my birth, the American feminist author Susan Brownmiller noted that 'the war in Bangladesh was a premeditated military crime of Yahya. The rapes were so systematic that they had to be conscious army policy (see Brownmiller. 1975:85). In 2008, Naynika Mukherjee further stressed that mass rape in Bangladesh was deliberately committed by the Pakistani army to cleanse Bengali race in East Pakistan (see Mukherjee, 2008: 40).In 2009, Willem Van Schendel re-affirmed the suggestions of Mukherjeee and Brownmiller in his book, "A history of Bangladesh'. If Bose is a 'western scholar' what is the fault of Brownmiller , Seifert Mukherjee and Van Schendel?

On the whole, the report failed to scrutinize the reliability of the book. It also denied Bangladesh government’s reaction to the book. Bangladesh consulate in London has expressed their deep concern to the growing propaganda in UK media around the war of liberation and Bose’s book . Excerpt from the press release was published in the Guardian, 2 June, 2011.

To conclude this compliant, I would like to admit that this is an unexpected and extremely poor reporting of the BBC. As a sincere and regular subscriber of BBC World, I have expected nominal impartiality and objectivity of the report. This report certainly puts you down to the world. It does not matter if you publish my comments or not, yet true it is I am appalled reading such bias news on your website.

Yours sincerely,

Rumana Hashem
 

Nirjana
London, United Kingdom
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