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1/D-38
Jan 20, 2011
01:02 PM

I think the appointment of Maulana Vastanvi as the rector of Darul Uloom, Deoband, is a very promising step forward. His views are balanced and moderate. For example on Gujarat massacre, he supports just recompense for the victims and vigorous prosecution of the alleged perpetrators, but he also has good things to say about the progress Muslims have made in Gujarat. He can make positive contributions to communal healing and make the seminary more community oriented and less afraid of new ideas.
 

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-59
Jan 20, 2011
06:07 PM

The most bigotted Muslim may talk of moving forward,but that hate filled woman called Sonia Gandhi will keep it burning for selfish reasons.Her screaming speeches have besmirched India as a nation and what does she care.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
3/D-75
Jan 20, 2011
09:35 PM

I like Anwaars comments here.  Most of the Indian media, psedo secularists and extremists like the Imam of Jama Masjid , who has threatended Maulana Vastanvi are angry . But that only exposes the rank hypocracy of the main stream media and parties like Congress, RJD etc.  Moderation will only enhance the stature of Mr Vastanvi and his words carry more weight.  Congrats to Modi for running a efficient, balanced and pro-development administration in Gujrat.

If rest of India and other states had administration as clean and efficient as in Gujrat, India would prosper and uplift its people.

Babloo Sr
Kansas, United States
4/D-86
Jan 20, 2011
11:04 PM

 We need more modi in now corrupt BJP

Identity lost
vanuatu, Vanuatu
5/D-87
Jan 20, 2011
11:05 PM

Gujarat can forget 2002 and move on , New Delhi can forget 1984 and move on, but Kashmir cannot. The Kashmiri Pandits,who were expelled out of the Kashmir valley by the religious fundamentatlists are refugees in their own nation. And worse, the media never speaks about this.

Ramki
Delhi, India
6/D-91
Jan 20, 2011
11:36 PM

I would not be surprised if Congress and Digvijay Singh issues a 'fatwa' against Deobandi cleric for his honest, objective views on Modi administration in Gujrat.

Babloo Sr
Kansas, United States
7/D-3
Jan 21, 2011
12:26 AM

Its time for the BJP to apologise and accept its incompetence in controlling the riots. However, the hooligans involved if identified should be punished. The likes of Teesta are not doing anybody a favour by dragging the govt to international forums neither is the congress helping things by boycotting Amitabh for being gujarat's brand ambassador.

sudharshan
madras, india
8/D-9
Jan 21, 2011
01:03 AM

>>>  The most bigotted Muslim may talk of moving forward,but that hate filled woman called Sonia Gandhi will keep it burning for selfish reasons.Her screaming speeches have besmirched India as a nation and what does she care.
 

Is this a case of pot calling the kettle black? The 'most bigoted and hate  fiiled' person. I know one person here who fits the bill.

Suresh Kamath
Edison, United States
9/D-45
Jan 21, 2011
09:59 AM

None of these Maulanas are as dangerous as the 'Paid Maulana' Digvijay Singh and his boss Br Rahul of the Catholic church.

S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
10/D-53
Jan 21, 2011
11:47 AM

sudharshan
madras, india

Riots are a spontaneous reactions though in India many are engineered for the silly reasons like some one insulted a prophet somewhere instead of peacefully protesting against it.Even in America we have seen riots as result of racial discrimination.The government and police records speak a lot on who are behind perpetrating communal riots in India as that's the difference between a tolerant and an aggressive,arrogant and fanatic mindsets.

How shame that even educated people talk only of Gujarat riot and what happened in that riot deliberately forgetting to mention what caused it for the fear of reprisal or getting called as communal.This is the pathetic state of secularism in India.How many have shown the spine to accuse the Muslims of engaging in a carnage the innocent Hindus at Godhra by burning them alive.two wrongs do not make one right but riots are always spontaneous and if some one want to accuse the BJP as masterminding the riot where more than two hundred Hindus were also killed when multiple hundreds of Muslims wee also killed one should not forget to hold the Muslims as responsible for the Godhra.every one in his heart know that Godhra was a reality and so is the Gujarat riot.

let the investigations be transparent when it will be found why the Gujarat riot at all happened.What Teesta doing is part of a wider conspiracy of powers who are after destabilizing this country.She is trying to show to the world that there is no justice for the Muslims in India.Its for the Muslims to disown her in the first place.

its easy for every one to accuse the BJP.But in the same vehement how many have shown any intent and spine to accuse the Congress for carnage the Sikhs in thousand in Delhi in 1984 and on the Muslim separatists conniving with the enemy country killing the ethnic Kashmiri Pandits from the valley,how many are talking seriously about the Maoist and Naxalite violence,how many are talking about dozens of bomb blasts and gruesome incidents lie attack on Parliament,Hindu temples and 26/11 even when the world knows that it was carried by the Muslim terrorists.
one dosent become a liberal and secular just by showing a finger at the BJP or the Hindus.the rest of the four fingers point backwards or at the one who accuses.

rajeshranjan
Bangalore, India
11/D-207
Jan 25, 2011
11:38 PM

Poor Vastanvi.. Looks like he had resigned.. Punishment for speaking his mind.. So much for liberalism and modernism.. Will the pseudo liberals stand for him now ? As they do for Arundhati roy and Hussain ?

Rajesh
Bangalore, India
12/D-55
Jan 30, 2011
01:04 PM
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
13/D-61
Jan 30, 2011
02:31 PM

"Gujarat ignores Centre’s scholarship for minority students." - Anwaar

Why should there be scholarships based on religion? Why should there be pilgrimage subsidy for a particular community only?

The Irreverent Indian
Online, India
14/D-8
Jan 31, 2011
02:37 AM

Irreverent Indian,

>> Why should there be scholarships based on religion?

Scholarships for minority students are designed to help those minorities that are lagging behind. A state government, e.g. in Gujarat, may ignore them if it wants such minority communities to continue to lag behind.

>> Why should there be pilgrimage subsidy for a particular community only?

Read last week's supreme Court decision on this subject.

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
15/D-33
Jan 31, 2011
09:20 AM

>> Scholarships for minority students are designed to help those minorities that are lagging behind.

Still wrong. Scholarships to students in need, irrespective of religion is what a secular state should aspire to.

>> Read last week's supreme Court decision on this subject.

SC is wrong. The amount does not matter. Even a rupee spent based on religion is wrong.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
16/D-37
Jan 31, 2011
10:27 AM

>>Scholarships for minority students are designed to help those minorities that are lagging behind.

Anywhere in the world it would be rightly called communalism.

>>Read last week's supreme Court decision on this subject.

Again anywhere in the world this would be rightly called communalism.
 

RSM
Delhi, India
17/D-46
Jan 31, 2011
11:28 AM

RSM,

>>>> Scholarships for minority students are designed to help those minorities that are lagging behind.
>> Anywhere in the world it would be rightly called communalism.

Not in the US. Giving a leg up to those lagging behind is considered a legitimate function of government in many civilized countries, including India (except among the Parivar folks).

>>>> Read last week's supreme Court decision on this subject (Haj subsidy).
>> Again anywhere  in the world this would be rightly called communalism.

"The apex court also took into consideration the affidavit of the central government and UP government which stated that similar expenditure was being incurred for the Kumbh Mela, facilitation of pilgrimages to Manasarovar in China for Hindu pilgrims. Similarly, it said some state governments provide facilities to Hindu and Sikh pilgrims to visit temples and gurudwaras in Pakistan, which are very small expenditures in proportion to the entire tax collection in the country. Moreover, the Centre said it is not averse to the idea of granting support to the pilgrimage conducted by any community."

Anwaar
Dallas, United States
18/D-47
Jan 31, 2011
11:43 AM

>> Not in the US.

US govt gives scholarships based on religion? You have some link to it, or are you lying again?

>> The apex court also took into consideration the affidavit of the central government and UP government which stated that similar expenditure was being incurred for the Kumbh Mela, facilitation of pilgrimages to Manasarovar in China for Hindu pilgrims. Similarly, it said some state governments provide facilities to Hindu and Sikh pilgrims to visit temples and gurudwaras in Pakistan, which are very small expenditures in proportion to the entire tax collection in the country.

They are all wrong. Neither one justifies the other, and the amounts don't matter. The govt is required to provide basic facilities, particularly those, that are entirely in its domain (e.g., security, or visa facilities, negotiations with foreign govts). Anything else, it should not be involved in, and should not pay for.

>> Moreover, the Centre said it is not averse to the idea of granting support to the pilgrimage conducted by any community.

If the govt is secular, but still insists on subsidising such activities, it should ideally do so in the same proportion as the population. So, a state with 60% Hindus, should spend 60% of such budget on Hindu pilgrims, and 40% on minorities (in that proportion). That would be warped secularism, but fair at least.

Whats InAName
San Francisco, United States
19/D-105
Jan 31, 2011
09:28 PM

"Scholarships for minority students are designed to help those minorities that are lagging behind. " - Anwaar

It is not only the minorities who are lagging behind. Scholarships should be available to ALL those who are constrained by financial limitations. There is no need to tie scholarships to one's religion. Such religion-sepcific programs should be discouraged.

"Read last week's supreme Court decision on this subject (Haj subsidy)." - Anwaar

The court did NOT justify it. All it said was that the amount spent on the subsidy is a very small component of the Tax collections and GDP. They indicated that it does not breach any constitutional norms and given the amount involved, the nation should not create a flutter on this. The court, in no way, commented on its justification, but chose to sideline it as a non-issue. But, as you are wont, you can put that in a different context to suit your opinions.

The Irreverent Indian
Online, India
20/D-113
Jan 31, 2011
10:48 PM
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Anwaar
Dallas, United States
21/D-117
Jan 31, 2011
11:12 PM
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The Irreverent Indian
Online, India
22/D-3
Feb 01, 2011
12:45 AM
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Anwaar
Dallas, United States
23/D-119
Feb 02, 2011
11:54 PM

>> similar expenditure was being incurred for the Kumbh Mela, facilitation of pilgrimages to Manasarovar in China for Hindu pilgrims.

Facilitation for public gathering is a different thing than giving explicit subsidies based on religion. Facilitation is what the Gov is for.. It is the same as facilitating Muslims to celebrate Eid or Christians to celebrate Christians. But you dont give money or subsidise the air travels to celebrate any of it. Thats the issue.

It is another matter that all the money from the Hindu temples are looted by the governments. If they start giving that money back to Hindus, they have to give subsidies for so many things. This Mansarovar etc. are peanuts compared to the money that comes from the temples.

If the offerings from temples is used properly, like utilising them among the tribals and other disadvantaged sections, 90% of the conversions can be stopped. But the Secular governments would not do that. They will continue looting one section and give it to another in the name of equality.

Rajesh
Bangalore, India
24/D-56
Feb 03, 2011
12:06 PM

a scholarship of Rs 9 Crore or so will not change the fate of the moslem students...lol..peanuts it is..good that Guj rejected it..

Kiran Voleti
Chennai, India
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