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1/D-6
Sep 02, 2010
02:08 AM
Christopher Hitchens says, "The ugliness of Islamic fundamentalism in particular has given energy and direction to such movements."

These movements in Europe and America predate the arrival of the ugly Islamist fundamentalists. The classic prototypes have been anti-semitism culminating in the Holocaust, and racism leading to Ku Klux Klan and racial segregation. Enoch Powell's crusade against "colored" immigration in Britain was rife in 1950's. Islamist fundamentalists with their alien message (alien even to many Muslims!) have reactivated all those xenophobic fears. But counter-currents to such regressive tendencies are usually not far behind. One has only to see the shows on MSNBC or the Comedy Channel and read the editorials and columns in major publications to assure oneself that sanity is still holding its ground in the US.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
2/D-7
Sep 02, 2010
02:22 AM
Pankaj Mishra in his excellent article says, "Hirsi Ali, who wishes to be the Voltaire of Islam...."

Lately she has been asking everyone to become Christians. She is being shelered and nourished in the US by Christian outfits such as the American Enterprise Institute. But Mr.Mishra is right in that she has for the past several years calling for an Islamic renaissance. She cuts a poor figure when smartly confronted as was seen in a recent encounter with Farid Zakaria and Irshad Manji.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
3/D-38
Sep 02, 2010
10:07 AM
Nonsense!
ankush poddar
Kolkata, India
4/D-59
Sep 02, 2010
01:01 PM
"How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?"

No way you can win eithe rin NYK or Kandhar or in Timbuktu ! Kashmir is the classic example where India did not leve any stone unturned to win the hearts and minds of the Kashmiri Muslism,Even we sunk Billions of Rs but of no avail .

Those very upturned stones are now daily showered upon us .
ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
8/D-78
Sep 02, 2010
06:13 PM
One Semitic faith figthing against another.. will never end.
Rajesh
Bangalore, India
10/D-87
Sep 02, 2010
07:41 PM
>The ugliness of Islamic fundamentalism in particular has given energy and direction to such movements.

Fundamentalism of every variety has it's roots in it's own habitat. Looking for external trigger is remaining in denial.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
11/D-89
Sep 02, 2010
08:05 PM
"Fundamentalism of every variety has it's roots in it's own habitat"

Maybe. But how does it grow ? What feeds it ? Mainly the hypocrisy of one side to condemn the fundamentalism of one and continuously blame the other.
Rajesh
Bangalore, India
12/D-90
Sep 02, 2010
08:06 PM
Sorry, the last line should be : "Mainly the hypocrisy of one side to condemn the fundamentalism of one kind and its refusal continuously to blame the other.
Rajesh
Bangalore, India
14/D-95
Sep 02, 2010
08:23 PM
>Mainly the hypocrisy of one side to condemn the fundamentalism of one kind and its refusal continuously to blame the other.

So waht is the proposition , Rajesh? Bring some kind of an equivalence in fundamentalism or strive to get rid of it?
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
22/D-14
Sep 03, 2010
01:53 AM
Amazing that history is not understood in this thread. No one is against religious freedom or secularism. What does one do when this concept is twisted by the new force in town to decimate older ideas? None is interested in the relative importance or relevance of moral systems because the dominant one is taken as discredited.
freespirit71
Kochi, India
23/D-15
Sep 03, 2010
01:58 AM
"So waht is the proposition , Rajesh? Bring some kind of an equivalence in fundamentalism or strive to get rid of it?"

You cannot get rid of fundamentalism of one kind without cleansing the fundamentalism of the other. Those who shout about secularism in India and Multiculturalism in the West fail miserably in condemning Islamic or other fundamentalism. That's the real issue.

See what happened in Kerala. In one instance, a professor's hand was chopped for setting a question paper that was related to Islam. In another, a terrorist accused could not be arrested for 1 week and he staged a big drama making the police wait in a camp. This was supported by the ruling party. Did any of the lefties or those in the media raise any voice ? Did you see any talk shows ? Imagine these both were done by Hindutva groups. All hell would have broken lose. News channels will run 24 hour programmes playing repeated telecasts. These hypocrites have different laws for different groups.

Now, PC is calling Saffron terror and MSM too. The same hypocrites were saying terror has no religion when Islamists were involved. Suddenly, when some Hindus were arrested, it becomes Saffron terror. Not even considering that Saffron is in our National flag.

Naturally, when seeing this, the other group get emboldened. Im not saying its right, but this is the reality. Without Shah Bano, Ram Janmabhomi movement would not have been a big success. Geert Wilders would not have become popular if Theo Van Gogh was not murdered.

The hypocrites do not learn from history. They have no intention to make the society a happy place. All they want is to win arguments and brand people as Sanghis, right wingers, fundamentalists etc. Till the hypocrites and the so called secular state and people wake up and start looking with even eyes, this is not going to stop. The scale needs to be balanced by the so called centrists who now tilt it heavily towards one side.
Rajesh
Bangalore, India
26/D-43
Sep 03, 2010
04:18 AM
An excellent essay on the "Future of Islam" appears in the form of a book review by Prof.Tamara Sonn. She is reviewing the latest book of Prof.John Esposito.

"A little background: for W.C. Smith, one of the twentieth century’s most influential scholars of religion, “religion is best understood as the living, vital faith of individual persons rather than as an abstract set of ideas and doctrines.” And he stresses the importance of empathy with the subject people:

"We have not understood any action or any saying in another century or another culture until we have realized that we ourselves, had we been in that situation, might well have done or said exactly that."

http://www.religiond..._future_of_humanity/
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
27/D-105
Sep 03, 2010
06:35 PM
Anwaar,

"Thus Esposito surveys the views of major Muslim thinkers today, and finds that they, too, believe that Shari`ah supports democracy and human rights, including gender justice"

Is there a bigger ridiculous thing than this ? Is this reality anywhere in the world ?
Rajesh
Bangalore, India
28/D-7
Sep 06, 2010
02:42 AM
Anwaar is not telling the truth, he is one of those prevaricators who claim that Islam is a religion of peace. It is a religion that preaches the killing of kaffirs, that is why its followers are the first to resort to violence. When they could win in pitched battles as was seen in 1967, they resorted to the cowardly attack in the Munich Olympics. Ever since, the words "Islamic" and "terrorist" have become inextricably linked, because of numerous terrorist acts all over the world. 9/11 just underlined a litany of such terrorist acts prior to it and after.
In a typical way of adding insult to injury, the islamists claim rights(the right to free ly worship) denied in their own countries, by asking to build a mosque close to Ground zero, apparently innocently, but really to gloat over their terrorist acts.
Now , why do you wonder that Muslims are hated?
Rakesh Krishnan
Kigali, Rwanda
29/D-8
Sep 06, 2010
02:44 AM
It shpuld read "when they could not win in 1967"
Rakesh Krishnan
Kigali, Rwanda
30/D-14
Sep 06, 2010
03:30 AM
Rakesh Krishnan,

Your hate mail has so many lies, I do not even know where to begin answering it. What do sufis who want to build the Islamic Center have to do with the terrorists who attacked Munich Olympics? How do Muslim aggressive acts compare with Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hitler's Holocaust or the the genocides of American Indians by Spanish Conquistadors. Your other points are equally stupid.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
31/D-18
Sep 06, 2010
04:43 AM
Its inane to pull out the victimhood card, every time the predatory nature of the adherents of Islam are pointed out...some Muslims are also getting tired of this kind of scheming...

[No sooner did news of the Ottawa Terror Plot unfold on national TV, than one could predict the response of Canada's Islamists and their organizations.

Across Canada, apologists of the terror suspects repeated the same mantra. The three men arrested were portrayed as "innocent" and the wider Muslim community was positioned as the real victims of the episode. It was as if the Islamist leadership had dusted off the speaking notes from the days of the Toronto 18 trials when leader after leader stood up to claim the young men arrested were framed, not real terrorists.

As Muslim Canadians, both of us, while asking for the due judicial process to take its course, had no hesitation in condemning the rising tide of jihadi radicalism that is sweeping like a contagious disease among Muslim youth, especially of Pakistani ancestry, across Canada. However, by and large the leadership of traditional Islamist organizations and the mosque establishment repeated the now tired and cliché-ridden depiction of Muslims as the real victims.

Not a single imam that we have heard has mustered the courage to say, "The doctrine of armed jihad is defunct and inapplicable in the 21st century." Instead the same tired old clichés were repeated about Islam being a religion of peace and denouncing terrorism, while keeping mum about jihad...] - Ottawa Citizen
lookoutnow
pune, India
32/D-32
Sep 06, 2010
11:14 AM
"EDITORIAL: A monument to terrorism

Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, director-general of Al-Arabiya TV, wrote that the Ground Zero Mosque will become "a monument to those who committed the crime ... I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a monument or a place of worship that tomorrow may become a source of pride for the terrorists and their Muslim followers, nor do they want a mosque that will become a shrine for the haters of Islam."

"The latest galling revelation is that the cash-strapped Cordoba Initiative is willing to accept funding for the mosque from overseas sources, including Saudi Arabia and Iran."

http://www.washingto...nument-to-terrorism/

Imam Rauf has been able to collect only $18,255 and rest of $100 million will com efrom Islamic Cuntries mainly Iran and Sadid Arabia.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf who is being presentd a Sufi is actually a Slum Lord who has been exploitig his tenets .
ram prasn haryanvi
Ambala Cantt, India
33/D-23
Sep 07, 2010
10:21 AM
--"Hitchens blames the "ugliness of Islamic fundamentalism" "

Hitchens then went on to blame Islamic Fundamentalism for his cancer, his irrelevance, his neo-con aspirations and finally his abandoning the Left. When prodded further Hitchens conceded its much easier to prey on the weak and run with the 'Fox'es, than take a principled stand and stick with it.
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