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1/D-120
Mar 17, 2010
12:34 PM
So,according to Shashi Tharoor,sections of Mahabharata like Bagavadgita or Vishnu Sahasranama are also secular subjects.In India good English or the position one held is treated as scholarly knowledge.Just like Dharma is not translateable,words like secular and religious do not really apply to Hindus of yore.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
3/D-150
Mar 17, 2010
05:33 PM
"ust like Dharma is not translateable,words like secular and religious do not really apply to Hindus" ...

correct !!!
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
4/D-158
Mar 17, 2010
06:36 PM
"Just like Dharma is not translateable,words like secular and religious do not really apply to Hindus of yore."

I'm a frog, and this is my Hindu well, and nothing can be bigger or greater than my Hindu well!!

isn't it Agarwals and Nagarajs...
Raj
Leipzig, Germany
5/D-225
Mar 17, 2010
10:26 PM
Neither The Ramayana nor The Mahabharata can be described as 'religious' or for that matter 'secular'. The sense of reliogicity or sucularism is not relevant to the content & context of these epics. At least one can be sure that these two great mythologies were never conceived or evolved in any religious context. The statement that 'Ramayana is sacred text but Mahabarata is secular' is facile & shallow fashionability & not worth given a second hearing. I wonder whether the creators of these epic poems were at all familiar with the concept of secularism as we understand them now. True ascription sacredness to these stories was later useful & became widespread & perfectly suited social/politiccal purposes over the ages.

Mahabahrata is a complete political story & it's most famous chapter Gita is an out & out political pamphlet, inciting a reluctant General to war. Nothing to do with sacredness or secularism as we know them.

Ramayana is of course is closer to us Hindu's heart because abundace of the extra-terrestial & the grotesque ( Like the Avtar is a best-seller) & easier to make it sacred.

Having said taht give these great epics their due. The overall plot & innumerable sub-plots of these two epics are most fascinating & their appeal transcends millennia.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
6/D-229
Mar 17, 2010
11:12 PM
Just like Dharma is not translateable,words like secular and religious do not really apply to Hindus of yore."
yes only caste/untouchability...superstition/devdasi apply to hindus of yore
ganapathi
chennai, India
7/D-90
Mar 18, 2010
04:04 PM
Manish

Your contention that "Gita is an out & out political pamphlet, inciting a reluctant General to war" ... can be disputed on several grounds ... however since I am a Hindu with profound faith in our scriptures, I may get exposed into into an unpleasant dialogue which would inevitably necesitate a lot of theological substantiation ... and I dont consider myself much of an expert on "mythologoies" as you pretend ... so lets's leave it at that ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
8/D-93
Mar 18, 2010
04:48 PM
>however since I am a Hindu with profound faith in our scriptures,

I am a Hindu too, born in a Hindu family. What's more I come from a somewhat ancient priestly family who in his school days was made to recite the Gita after a mid-morning ablution which of course do not make me any expert on any religious 'scriptures' - Hindu or otherwise.

But though I used to like my Gita recital I cannot claim great 'faith' in them. It was fascinating , enchanting & I developed great regard & admiration for these texts as great & powerful epics - not as 'scriptures'.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
9/D-142
Mar 18, 2010
10:20 PM
It is matter of one's "Aastha" Manish da ... like for a Christian, Muslim or Jew, the Koran, Bible or Tanakh (old testaments) are holy scriptures and word of God and not just texts ...

So just as their messiahs are son/messenger of God, Ram and Krishna are his incarnations and spoke his word in Gita (the nectar and gist of Mahabharat) and Ramayana ... which are not just texts but holy ... to me any way ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
10/D-4
Mar 20, 2010
12:12 AM
I think "My dharma" simply means "My moral code". It includes the connotation of "My duty". Mystification of words does not enhance them.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
11/D-130
Mar 20, 2010
09:57 PM
Is it 'ethos' that sound closer to 'dharma'?
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
12/D-137
Mar 20, 2010
10:53 PM
in tamil there r thousands of words which cannot be translated in any language like
eeru ketta ethir marai peyareccham
edakkar adakkal
kuzhoo ooo kuri etc. does it make it very superior
to all other languages.the comment by raj of germany aptly explains the orgasm felt by some on the untranslatable drama@dharma
the comment
ganapathi
chennai, India
13/D-138
Mar 20, 2010
11:18 PM
>> "Is it 'ethos' that sound closer to 'dharma'?"

I think it does.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
14/D-85
Mar 21, 2010
11:47 PM
dharma says u belong to this caste as u r born to these people.
says women has to be under the protection of father till marriage and husband after that and son till the end.she should never be allowed to take independent decisions
says only men/male child can light the pyre and women should not come to the crematorium
illtreat certain people and dont share water/food with them
i can list 100 more and if anyone says my ethos r the above what will the world think about him
ganapathi
chennai, India
15/D-71
Mar 22, 2010
04:35 PM
E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker ,the patriarch of Dravidian movement once described Tamil as the language of barbarians.That may not be correct but half baked people like Ganapathi truly belong to that tribe.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
16/D-24
Mar 23, 2010
02:14 AM
To begin with 'Dharma' isn't a word owned by a certain religion/school of thought. Since it's origin lies in the script we're familiar with, the notion of Dharma does'nt get walled in. It surely cannot be translated, for it does not define a thing specifically. Dharma is as abstract to be defined as much as it's application and understanding is real, yet at the same time varies from an individual to another. To me it is duty and at the same time what I must live by. Language is only a tool to communicate... not a weapon to demolish what lies beyond our understanding.
Anuja
Delhi, India
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