From the time WikiLeaks began to out the diplomatic cables, watching TV news has become akin to viewing Bollywood political satires. The anchor’s announcement of every WikiLeaks cable pertaining to Pakistan is accompanied by old footage of former US ambassador Anne Patterson meeting President Asif Ali Zardari or Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani or army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani or ISI boss Shuja Pasha or Pakistan Muslim League leader Nawaz Sharif. In the background plays the raunchy number from Dabaangg, Munni badnaam hui, darling tere liye.
The splicing of the song with the WikiLeaks cables provides a subtext every Pakistani has grasped—Patterson may be blamed for reporting to Washington her private conversations with Pakistani leaders, but she wouldn’t have cabled headquarters had they not whispered to her their secret desires and deep fears, unmindful of shaming their country, at times even guilty of compromising state secrets. Indeed, Pakistan’s who’s who, courtesy WikiLeaks, come across as petty, hungry for power, and contemptuous of their people.
Perhaps nobody’s reputation has been harmed more than that of Gen Kayani, who had concertedly tried to portray himself as an apolitical general. Earlier this year, in a special briefing for military analysts, this correspondent asked Gen Kayani whether he’d emulate other generals in throwing out a civilian government and grabbing power. “General, it’s in your DNA,” I said. Prompt was his reply, “I’ve no (political) DNA.” He said his lack of political ambition could be testified by former director-general of ISI Gen (retd) Asad Durrani, who was Kayani’s instructor in the army and was also present at the briefing.
WikiLeaks has belied Kayani’s protestations. One cable reveals that Kayani was prepared to replace Zardari with Awami National Party’s Asfandyar Khan as president. Since the new arrangement would have required the support of Sharif’s party, Kayani dropped the idea because he distrusted and disliked Sharif even more than Zardari. In the cable, Patterson says Kayani thought even Zardari’s sister, Faryal Talpur, would make for a better president than him.
Thank you to all those who have taken the trouble to read the article and share their thoughts. Out of the arguments made here, there are two that perhaps need answering. So here they go.
1. The first part of the article compares outcomes (relative percentages of population of the religions concerned) irrespective of the process that led to those outcomes - whether immigration, relatively faster population growth or conversions. This was for two reasons. One, to put the figure of 2.3 per cent in "numerical perspective", as the article itself explained. The second reason was that outcomes are ultimately what the crux of debate is about. The rest of the article in any case dealt with process - or conversions in this case, from both a contemporary and historical perspective.
2. Some commenters have tried to cast doubts on the reliability of Census 2001. Those who do this should bear in mind that Census 2001 was conducted by a BJP government. Considering the extreme importance that BJP gives to this issue, it would be reasonable to expect that IF it had perceived a problem with the methodology that was distorting the numbers, it would have fixed it. As the article mentioned, BJP or BJP-supported governments have been in power for 10 of the last 40 years, or about a quarter of the time, and the only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at is that any misreporting of numbers, real or perceived, would be marginal and hence, not of importance.
To all other arguments made, my answer is the following: Please read the article again, with particular focus on the quotations of Vivekananda and Monier Williams, and the history of the missionary efforts in Bengal and their outcome.
America fills the begging bowl and China knows how to deal with these Muzzies.
Out of three AAAs ie America ,Army and Allah who run Pakistan ( correct order of As) Allah has foresaken Pakistan ,America wants but can't foresake Pakistan .Army has a free hand to push Pakistan into its final doom .Don't under estimate Army's capicity to destroy Pak example 1971 Genocide.
I wish I could watch the Pakistani news channel with Munni playing along with the Wikileaks. Wonder how they plan to use "Sheila ki jawani ....".
Without Bollywood, life in the subcontinent would be without any ras (juice). Hope the Pakistani aam-admi is thankful to Bollywood to make their existence interesting if not meaningful.
well india is doing slightly better because of the people, their spirit ..definitely not because of the government or the politicians. c'mon anybody who believes the government has anything to do with indias progress got to be delusional.
It all boils down to a basic difference.
In India the PM / Prez knows that the Army Chief will take a bullet on his chest to save their life
In Pakistan - its the opposite.
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