Boiled Beans on Toast is a contemporary view of Bangalore but doesn’t indulge in nostalgia like one would expect, as how most city pieces are.
Indian writers just haven’t caught the essence of the city and explored the megalopolis as it has exploded. Most Kannada writers in Bangalore such as U.R. Ananthamurthy or S.L. Bhyrappa are nostalgic about their native villages and can’t write about Bangalore. There’s not a single play or novel about the city in Kannada. Even in English, there is very little written about it, other than stories around call centres, where Bangalore is seen in terms of identifiable markers, rather than what’s happening in the various layers of society.
What are your memories of the city?
When I came here in 1990, I scouted around for a plot and built my house under a tamarind tree. The tree was gone within 10 years. I have included that bit in the play. I’m one of the people who make Bangalore, a city with no past, where everyone is an outsider.
You talk about how the city has lost coherence, is it a moralistic stand against its fragmented development?
Whether you are moralistic or not, the fact is that it is happening, and it is opening up a whole lot of possibilities for people from smaller towns and villages, and that is not to be sneered at. A more organised city would have been welcome. But the explosion of the city took even the town planners by surprise. The flyovers in Bangalore are ugly, but they do keep the traffic moving. Yes, city corporations have been inefficient, even out of date. Look at the Namma Metro tracks across Bangalore that have pillars that look like elephant’s legs. All over the world, you have beautiful tubular support. My play, however, is not about what should have happened, but the human experience of what has happened.
The play can be adapted seamlessly to other cities that have seen such growth, like Pune or Ahmedabad....
Yes, the play has been brilliantly adapted in Marathi as Uney Purey Sheher Ek by young director Mohit Takalkar and it captures the whole chaos and vitality of the city, which is Pune in his version. It fits like a glove, as it would Chennai or Ahmedabad—all small, nice, traditional cities till 20 years ago, where the entire culture has changed.
So where do old-time Bangaloreans fit into the scheme of things?
Well, old-timers have to go to where they will be happier. The future will move in its own direction. It’s inevitable in any city. The sweep of the city, the money and power involved is such that no one has control over it anymore.
Has the very middle class that created the new Bangalore also destroyed it?
Bangalorean scientist C.N.R. Rao talked of a time when a cup of coffee and a masala dosa at Vidyarthi Bhavan kept you happy. Has that culture of simplicity been lost completely?
There’s a scene in the play where I write about a meeting between two characters specifically fixed at Cafe Coffee Day, because that is where they are comfortable having a conversation. The point is that old-time spots such as Adiga’s or dosa centres were not meant as places where you could hang around for hours. Cafe Coffee Day, on the other hand, being a local brand, is exactly geared to the needs of the young. Those are the demands of the new Bangalore. Gone are the days of Kamat Lodge where you could order a masala dosa and sit for hours.
Do you see the city’s intellectual growth dimming? What about its long-time bond with science?
I think the IT industry has, in fact, sharpened the city’s intellectual growth, but in different directions. The IT companies have offered a different kind of future, a departure from the earlier professor-doctor job culture. In the process, our scientific institutions, such as Indian Institute of Science and Raman Research Institute have receded in importance. It’s symptomatic of the state of science in all of India. Young people will go where there’s encouragement and money.
How well is theatre doing in Bangalore? You’ve said no one wants to step out of home after returning from work for a play due to the traffic.
This is true for all performing arts. It’s a nightmare stepping out in the evening. If you want theatre to flourish, you need more spaces like Ranga Shankara, Jagriti in all corners of the city.
Is there a sense that Bangalore is now a city purely for the youth?
Cities are always for the youth, because they need energy. But in the good old days, you could buy a flat with your retirement money. Now you have to retire to the countryside or live with your children in small flats.
Do you see yourself continuing to live in Bangalore?
Yes, of course. My roots are in Dharwad, where I go every now and then. But I daresay I’m going to be in Bangalore till the end of my life.
Girish Karnad’s views of Bangalore are decidedly urban, elitist and superficial (Bangalore’s chaos, energy..., Feb 3). Now it’s just a mahanagara of villages from where come the thronging, exploited crowds in search of a livelihood. Incidentally, contrary to the familiar lore that the name is derived form boiled beans, linguistically it is rooted in the ‘red earth’—chegaluru, the red settlement, becoming Bengaluru as it grew into town and then a city over the years, much under the influence of the Tamil/Telugu- speaking people living in the nearby districts. In so many other ways too, Karnad fails to see the complexity of the city.
Thank you to all those who have taken the trouble to read the article and share their thoughts. Out of the arguments made here, there are two that perhaps need answering. So here they go.
1. The first part of the article compares outcomes (relative percentages of population of the religions concerned) irrespective of the process that led to those outcomes - whether immigration, relatively faster population growth or conversions. This was for two reasons. One, to put the figure of 2.3 per cent in "numerical perspective", as the article itself explained. The second reason was that outcomes are ultimately what the crux of debate is about. The rest of the article in any case dealt with process - or conversions in this case, from both a contemporary and historical perspective.
2. Some commenters have tried to cast doubts on the reliability of Census 2001. Those who do this should bear in mind that Census 2001 was conducted by a BJP government. Considering the extreme importance that BJP gives to this issue, it would be reasonable to expect that IF it had perceived a problem with the methodology that was distorting the numbers, it would have fixed it. As the article mentioned, BJP or BJP-supported governments have been in power for 10 of the last 40 years, or about a quarter of the time, and the only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at is that any misreporting of numbers, real or perceived, would be marginal and hence, not of importance.
To all other arguments made, my answer is the following: Please read the article again, with particular focus on the quotations of Vivekananda and Monier Williams, and the history of the missionary efforts in Bengal and their outcome.
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