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#82 Prabhu Chawla: Jun 20, 2009 14:32:07
'Dekho in this country, dono side mein fix karne kii capacity hain... Chhotaa bhaai mobile jyaada hai. ...everything is fixed now these days'
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Four transcripts that were submitted to the SC along with audio recordings in May 2009 covering the cabinet formation, DMK politics and who'd get telecom portfolio
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'Barkha Dutt... says that he [PM] has no problem with you, but he has a problem with Baalu'
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'Have they not lost their heads a bit much in the last 48 hours?'
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Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?
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'[Kanimozhi] agrees that they [DMK] shouldn't have sent the list the way they did'
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'PM was not keen on Maran'
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'Prime Minister can’t talk on a phone to dad and convey... Prime Minister is also, you know, very soft spoken and dad can’t hear that clearly also'
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'I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR'
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'wo Daya kaa aur Rahul ko kuch business interest hai toh'
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'My God. You know, he [Dayanidhi Maran] is watching everything you’re doing…'
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'I was supposed to meet Sonia today ... I’ve been meeting with Rahul ... I won’t get into Sonia in the short term, let me try and get through to Ahmed'
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'Congress has been totally confused as to who they need to speak to'
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'...seriously there is only one route, talk to the daughter she will take you to him…'
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'Daya is not talking to Ahmed Patel, Daya is not talking to Ahmed Patel, I don’t know who Daya is talking to'
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'Let me call Ghulam then. Let me call him'
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'Congress never said anything about Raja'
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'Your friend Sunil Mittal... He’s lobbying against Raja... Then I made Barkha call up Congress, and get a statement from Congress'
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'I think the government should insist on going in a big way about the Dish TV or whatever, or to make sure the entire cable network is open to everybody'
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'So who planted in the minds of the Congress saying that Azhagiri doesn’t know English?… I know…'
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About Nita Ambani-Shobha De
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Natasha for Nita
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Counter Campaign'
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Meeting NK Singh and Sharad Yadav
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Vir to Interview MDA
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Director and Chief Executive Officer of Vaishnavi Group
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Negotiation over apology for the Forbes report on Ambani children
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One way…Totally managed judgment'
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SC Caveat
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Niira Radia:  Hi Prabhu

Prabhu Chawla:  Yaa tell me now

Niira Radia:  Nahii nothing, I was just wanting to understand things from you. You always have a very good perspective.

Prabhu Chawla:  On What?

Niira Radia:  On everything bhai, ha ha ha ha. Generally you have a good perspective of everything. Trying to understand what is your view on this great historic judgment above the national interest.

Prabhu Chawla:  You see when the brothers are involved, the nation also gets involved, naa?

Niira Radia:  Yaa, but probably not a good thing naa. Not good for the nation.

Prabhu Chawla:  Not good for the nation, but the brothers don’t talk to each other. There is nobody who can force them to talk also naa?

Niira Radia:  Wo to ho gayii naa Prabhu tum bhii jaante ho

Prabhu Chawla:  Maine koshiosh kii thi., nahii huaa. maine kahaa ho jayegaa

Niira Radia:  Nahii. Abhii nahii. I was speaking to him even recently, I spoke to him this morning, the question of ..

Prabhu Chawla:  (interrupts) is he back from wherever he had gone, Mukesh?

Niira Radia:  He is very much here, he has been here the whole week.

Prabhu Chawla:  He was abroad last week I think.

Niira Radia:  No no no.

Prabhu Chawla:  Anyway, somebody told me that he is abroad.

Niira Radia:  NONONO. He has been here the whole week. He is not due to travel till next week.

Prabhu Chawla:  because maine to. Sometimes he responds. Abhii I have stopped talking to him, calling him...

Niira Radia:  No. He’s been here the whole week. I just spoke to him this morning also. He is very much here. He is not supposed to go anywhere till next week.

Prabhu Chawla:  Nahii. Maine to usko... somebody… I didn’t… Usko maine 15-20 din pahle message bhejaa thaa. The he responded. Then I asked again. Then he never responded. Maine usko message nahii bhejaa phir. Because the whole judgement was coming, I wanted to forewarn you.

Niira Radia:  Kyaa judgment uske khilaaf aa rahaa hai?

Prabhu Chawla:  Haan, Arrogant hai naa. uske saath kyaa kare? Uske arrogance, dono bhaaiyyon kaa samajh bhi nahi aatii mero ko

Niira Radia:  Prabhu tell me one thing. Judgement is fixed, right?

Prabhu Chawla:  Dekho in this country, dono side mein fix karne kii capacity hain. Par baRaa bhaai hain naa.. Chhotaa bhaai mobile jyaada hai. Paise kam kharach kartaa hai, kanjoos hai sabse jyaadaa. But he is more mobile than the elder brother. Elder brother doesn’t want to go beyond what Dhirubhai left behind with him. Men or people, whatever. I think… You are getting what I am telling?

Niira Radia:  I understand.

Prabhu Chawla:  He is totally depending on the people who Dhirubhai created. They were relevant at that point of time. Now they are not relevant. Anilbhai has done… has developed new sources, new contacts , new way of thinking. That can be possibility ki Mukesh ko apnaaek uskii wife bhi thoRaa dictate jyaadaa karti hai. Anil kii wife nahii kartii hai. The way things are moving, Mukesh poor fellow is not able to get the right feedback because of insulation from various other sources. And I know what he is doing on the Supreme Court front. Various things. Which is not the way to go about.

Niira Radia:  Hmm.

Prabhu Chawla:  What he doing it is known to the rest of the world. Which is not good. Usko thoRaa… If he has to…. because everything is fixed now these days.

Niira Radia:  Ab Supreme Court mein reverse ho gayaa, then he is finished for ever, yaar! If he doesn’t get a favourable response from Supreme Court, then he is finished, naa?

Niira Radia:  But Prabhu ek baat bataauuN?

Prabhu Chawla:  HaaN?

Niira Radia:  Abhi tak Supreme Court kaa, between you and me, kuchh finalise huaa nahin?

Prabhu Chawla:  Finalise kaa matlab kya hai? Bhai Murli Deora bhii jaayega court mein. Prime Minister is also putting pressure on Murli Deoa to settle it. Because ultimately it is national loss naa, as you put it. Itnaa mehanga ho raha hain fuel, ab 90 dollars ho jayegaa 2-3 mahiine meiN, if you are not able to take out gas from your own sources, then there is a problem, naa. Country should not bloody suffer because of these two brothers.

Niira Radia:  That’s right. Which is what Mukesh has told Anil very clearly. That’s right. Which what Mukesh has told his brother very clearly. What is the issue? Anil …usne apne gas ke liye kabhii manaa nahin kiya. Usne kaha tera 28 mm sidhi ban tha hai. Agar NTPC 12 nahiiN letaa to teraa wo bhii ban taa hai. Yeh 2.34 who government ki price hai, mein us mein decide nahin karta huun as an operator. Uska point limited woh hai.  I don’t know, aapne MoU dekha? I don’t know whether you have seen it, but I will show it to you. Un mein aisa kuchh likhaa nahiiN hain.

Prabhu Chawla:  Nahii. MoU mein pataa nahiin, maine dekhaa nahiin isiliye I can't say, frankly speaking , and MoU mein, agar court ne order kiya, toh kisii basis pe kiyaa hogaa naa. Padhaa hogaa court ne.

Niira Radia: Nahin. Uska court kaa order meiN, 328 pages meiN I can give you anything, I can tell you, woh pen drive use kii hogii naa, Prabhu, woh jo telecom kaa TDSAT kaa judgement huaa naa, dual technology kaa Vahanvati ne jo karvaya hain, Dr Sarma.. Baad meiN Raja ne phir Dr Sarma ko TRAI chairman banaa diya. Woh, [abrupt change] … guaranteed kii same pen drive use kii hogii

Prabhu Chawla:  hahaha (laughs)

Niira Radia:  Mein tumko dono judgement aamne saamne dikhaoongii, tun dono paRlo. Usme jo… Dono wordings meiN…

Prabhu Chawla:  Goolam Vahanvati is an old friend of mine. When I was editor of Indian Express, he was our counsel. Meraa bahut achhaa dost hai puraanaa. Nusli Wadia ke saath thaa pahle. He was a good friend of Nusli, I think even now he is with Nusli... Nusli wadia plotting [abrupt cut] We were goods friends of Nusli. Even now a good friend. [inaudible] Sharad Pawar also. But he is very close to Anil Ambani. Everybody knows about it. Appointment.. Anil Ambani, Nusli Wadia and our power minister, kya naam hai?, Shinde, they all went for him naa for the appointment of [inaudible]. Bhardwaj never liked him. Bhardwaj would not have made him the attorney general agar Bharadwaja law minister hotaa. Ab ban gaya wo. The question is these brothers have to come to the conclusion themselves first. Kyuunkii agreement to hogaa Court meiN jaa karke Supreme Court ne order dono ko acceptable de diya, that is one way of looking at it. KyuuNkii abhii to you are basically the whole judgement will decide the future of both of them naa? More of Mukesh than of Anil. Ki Anil kaa to saalaa power plant hii shuruu nahiiN huaa, usko gas kyaa karni hain saale ko?

Niira Radia:  Judgement meiN usne 17 saal to likhaa nahiiN hai. mujhe lagtaa hai gas to de denii chaahiye kal se. Usko bolo chal tu le. Kya karegaa uske saath? Kuchh nahiiN kar saktaa

Prabhu Chawla:  Aur le nahin sakta. Thiik hai, bolo utthaa lo gas jaa kar ke

Niira Radia:  Aur paise do uske liye.

Prabhu Chawla:  Haan paise do, bech nahin saktaa kisii aur ko. Judgement you can't sell it to anybody else naa?

Niira Radia:  Correct, correct.

Prabhu Chawla:  Theek hai, bhai. That, that… let Mukesh sell it wherever he wants to sell it. That should be the… Ab Mukesh kaa objective kyaa hai, I don’t know. You are not clear. Because unkaa yahaaN jo Anand Jain to baahar ho gayaa mere khayaal se. He is out, naa?

Niira Radia:  Nahii nahiin, he is very much there. Again ye Anil ki philaaii hui baateiN haiN. Yeh galat baat hai. MaiN usko itnii baar khud dekh chukkii huun.

Prabhu Chawla:  I don’t know, because people on both sides are haraamis, advisors.

Niira Radia:  Nahiin, ek baat, sach baat, bataa duun tum ko. Anand Jain is very much there. Manoj Modi is very much there. Mukesh is very much there.

Prabhu Chawla:  Manoj Modi is little more professional

Niira Radia:  He is very professional

Prabhu Chawla:  Manoj Modi very much professional. Anand Jain thoRaa politics kartaa hai kii uskaa apnaa dhandaa bhi hai. He has more influence on…

Niira Radia:  But is matter meiN Manoj Modi jyaadaa hogaa na najdiik?

Prabhu Chawla:  Haan, Manoj Modi jo bhi hain, but now Supreme Court mein aana hi hai case. Anil Ambani ne caveat file kardii. Kal parson kii.

Niira Radia:  Woh toh karegaa naa. He has to safeguard his interests.

Prabhu Chawla:  But since you have access to Mukesh, you should should convey to Mukesh that the way he is going about the supreme Court is not… I won’t give you anything more than that. It is not the right way.

Niira Radia:  Nahin, “not the right way” matlab? He is going to Supreme Court, he shouldn’t go to Supreme Court?

Prabhu Chawla:  No, no, no. The way he going to the Supreme Court. I wont tell you more than that. The people he is using, they are not the people who can be trusted for keeping it to themselves.

Niira Radia:  Hmm..

Prabhu Chawla:  Bol dete hain, ab London mein baith ke kuchh bhi bolte hain. Achchaa nahiin lagtaa naa, it gets back. London is like… London is not London. It is a phone call away.

Niira Radia:  Hmmm..

Prabhu Chawla:  Usko thoRaa… He must be… Political system hain Delhi meiN. Change ho gayaa. Mukesh. Mukesh ne bhi.. People may be projecting whatever he is close to Sonia, he is close to Rahul, he is close to this. But may be Mukesh got access, but he can’t influence anything. Collective jyadaa ho gaya naa. Kamalnath can decide one thing but he can be overruled by Pranab Mukherjee. So ye saare loose ends ko tighten karnaa hai naa?

Niira Radia:  Maine tumharaa London kaa point catch nahiin kiyaa

Prabhu Chawla:  Matlab, he is trying to understand how to go into the Supreme Court.

Niira Radia:  I don’t think so Prabhu, tumko yeh kisne bataya?

Prabhu Chawla:  ChhoRo na ab.

Niira Radia:  Nahiin seriously, main tumse kyuuN chupauuN baat? Sach-much. I mean. Come on.

Prabhu Chawla:  He has to go to appeal in Supreme Court or not finally?

Niira Radia:  Agreed. He is appealing to Supreme Court. He will have to appeal in the Supreme Court, the question doesn’t arise.

Prabhu Chawla:  If he is appealing to Supreme Court, he must be trying to find out the right people. Harish Salve to uskaa advocate hai hii. He will appear for him. Because he is an outstanding advocate. But he must be thinking if there any way of, like, Anil can use various ways, he can also use various ways or not. And you know what? Brothers are not… Clean to dono mein se… apne apne tareeka dono lagayanege naa?

Niira Radia:  Haan. Anil Ambani apnaa lagaa hogaa, apne logo ke through, DMK ke through , apne Chief Justice ke paas yeh sab.

Prabhu Chawla:  No, Chief Justice Kerala kaa hain.

Niira Radia:  Haan. Kerla kaa.

Prabhu Chawla:  He is not… Yeh bhi lage hoNge naa kisii ke through? Mukesh bhii to kar rahaa hogaa naa? Phir? Wohii kah rahaa huun. Mukeh jis tariike se approach kar rahaa hai, if that’s what I heard, is not the right way to go.

Niira Radia:  Thiik hai. I understood what you are saying.

Prabhu Chawla:  Now you understand naa?

Niira Radia:  I will… Mein baat karuungi thoRii der meiN, I will tell him to speak to you.

Prabhu Chawla:  Yeah, Because, I sent him messages, 10 bar messages bhejaa, he doesn’t reply. I don’t want to come into. Because my family is a retainer for Anil. I don’t want to discuss with him at all. Lekin sun to letaa huuN naa kai baar, idhar udhar political logoN se. But he not appearing for him. My son is not involved in this case at all.

Niira Radia:  Your son, naa?

Prabhu Chawla:  Haan, he is not involved at all

Niira Radia:  Why?

Prabhu Chawla:  He doesn’t trust my son also, in this case. (laughs) Anil doesn’t trust my son (in this case).

Niira Radia:  Your son is with whom now?

Prabhu Chawla:  He is a retained by Anil naa. He is independent. He is running his own independent company. He is not with Ryan [?] any more. He is running his own solicitor firm. He was retained by various people. Anil’s mobile is one company which retains him. But in this case he is not involved. But idhar udhar se pick up to karte hain na chiizen sab.

Niira Radia:  Right right

Prabhu Chawla:  My information is through the legal sources. Once you tell him that Prabhu was saying something about you talking to people in London, he will understand.

Niira Radia:  Chalo I will tell him

Prabhu Chawla:  Chhota Bhai baRaa haraami hai.

Niira Radia:  Harami to hai lekin har waqt haraamii panaa last nahiin kartaa naa, Prabhu you also know.

Prabhu Chawla:  Question is, abhii, when you are working in a system which is not clean, you have to be… bhaii tumhaare ko nuksaan to ho gaya naa? Udhar recovery karte raho apne aap. It is better to do it in a manner so that you are not the loser.

Niira Radia:  Thiik hai

Prabhu Chawla:  Main kal jaa rahaa huuN Bombay. Ek baar usne kahaa thaa dinner pe aana ghar pe. That is about… He called me one day. You remember [inaudible] mein gaya tha uske liye. I was the only senior editor there. After that I tried to meet him but nahiiN mil paayaa. I went a couple of times to Bombay recently but he was not there. I have been trying to reach him par uske baad baat hii nahii huii.

[abrupt end]


Mr Chawla had sent us a transcript himself. The one above has been cross-checked by Ishani Roy and OL. We'd be grateful if you point out any errors that may have crept in despite all care being taken.

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RadiaGate
A petition before the Supreme Courts shows the rot within. It is not just the 2G Spectrum but the entire Republic of India that seems to be up for sale, with the dealers being a group of powerful telemarketers— corporate houses, lobbyists, bureaucrats and journalists
2G Spectrum Scam
Four transcripts that were submitted to the SC along with audio recordings in May 2009 covering the cabinet formation, DMK politics and who'd get telecom portfolio
2G Spectrum Scam
The conversations with M.Karunanidhi's daughter M. Kanimozhi about keeping Dayanidhi Maran out from negotiations with the Congress and to get the telecom portfolio for A. Raja
2G Spectrum Scam
In these Radia wants Sanghvi to tell the Congress not to negotiate with Dayanidhi Maran. He tells her that while he has been meeting Rahul and can't "get into Sonia in the short term" he would "try and get through to Ahmed"
2G Spectrum Scam Audio
Recordings of conversations with the likes of Ratan Tata, Ranjan Bhattacharya, Barkha Dutt, Shankar Aiyar, Sunil Arora etc
Niira Radia Tapes
The other big 'national resource' story involves the virtual who's who: Ambani V/s Ambani V/s Tata, gas and power sector war involving big name journos, politicians, babus, corporates
Radiagate
The controversial document purporting to be an official account of intercepted phone conversations that mysteriously cropped up with various media houses and was put up and then taken off from the Hindu website in April
Full Index
All the 140 available audios -- a work in progress with transcripts getting added on an on-going basis and names being identified, added and corrected
Niira Radia Tapes
'Barkha Dutt... says that he [PM] has no problem with you, but he has a problem with Baalu'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Have they not lost their heads a bit much in the last 48 hours?'
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Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?
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'[Kanimozhi] agrees that they [DMK] shouldn't have sent the list the way they did'
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'PM was not keen on Maran'
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'Prime Minister can’t talk on a phone to dad and convey... Prime Minister is also, you know, very soft spoken and dad can’t hear that clearly also'
Niira Radia Tapes
'I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR'
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'wo Daya kaa aur Rahul ko kuch business interest hai toh'
Niira Radia Tapes
'My God. You know, he [Dayanidhi Maran] is watching everything you’re doing…'
Niira Radia Tapes
'I was supposed to meet Sonia today ... I’ve been meeting with Rahul ... I won’t get into Sonia in the short term, let me try and get through to Ahmed'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Congress has been totally confused as to who they need to speak to'
Niira Radia Tapes
'...seriously there is only one route, talk to the daughter she will take you to him…'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Daya is not talking to Ahmed Patel, Daya is not talking to Ahmed Patel, I don’t know who Daya is talking to'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Let me call Ghulam then. Let me call him'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Congress never said anything about Raja'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Your friend Sunil Mittal... He’s lobbying against Raja... Then I made Barkha call up Congress, and get a statement from Congress'
Niira Radia Tapes
Mukesh Ambani said: ‘Haan yaar, you know Ranjan, you’re right, ab to Congress apnii dukaan hai (now the Congress is our shop).’
Niira Radia Tapes
'No, you see Congress’s only condition is…'
Niira Radia Tapes
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'Then the Leader [Karunanidhi] said then you [Maran] join the Congress'
Niira Radia Tapes
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'He’s [Maran] trying to get somebody from the congress say things against Raja to dad'
Niira Radia Tapes
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'We made a very reasonable offer, we’ve lot of regards for Karunanidhi, we would like to deal with him. We have no regard for Maran'
Niira Radia Tapes
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Niira Radia Tapes
'I think the government should insist on going in a big way about the Dish TV or whatever, or to make sure the entire cable network is open to everybody'
Niira Radia Tapes
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Niira Radia Tapes
'So who planted in the minds of the Congress saying that Azhagiri doesn’t know English?… I know…'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Niira Radia: So, I believe Maran has given about 600 crores to Dayalu, Stalin’s mother. Vir Sanghvi: 600 Crores, okay? Niira Radia: 600 Crores, is what I’m told. Vir Sanghvi: It’s hard to argue with that kind of pressure'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Niira Radia: You didn’t put aviation, Kanni. Kanimozhi: You know, just an aviation I will take it up. No problem'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Tell Sunil Mittal, you have to work along with Raja for another five years'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Narayanan is just a messenger. So, now the decision will be taken'
Niira Radia Tapes
About Nita Ambani-Shobha De
Niira Radia Tapes
Natasha for Nita
Niira Radia Tapes
Counter Campaign'
Niira Radia Tapes
Meeting NK Singh and Sharad Yadav
Niira Radia Tapes
Vir to Interview MDA
Niira Radia Tapes
See how Tony works
Niira Radia Tapes
Director and Chief Executive Officer of Vaishnavi Group
Niira Radia Tapes
BJP Revolt
Niira Radia Tapes
Negotiation over apology for the Forbes report on Ambani children
Niira Radia Tapes
'Ek hi aadmi ko apne ko protect karne kaa hai, woh hai Mukesh Ambani … baakii I don’t really care.. Is mein toh kitna bhi 10, 20, 50 crore kharchaa hogaa toh koi problem nahi hai'
Niira Radia Tapes
Ratan Tata: 'I’m surprised that Raja after all that you supposedly did for him is playing this game'
Niira Radia Tapes
"If the story [Tata-Bharti talks] comes out, I will then take it right to the top, because the story is wrong. I won’t leave it"
Niira Radia Tapes
Instigating Shiv Sena
Niira Radia Tapes
"Ratan is to get over the Sunil Mittal allergy, he must get over the Mukesh Ambani allergy, he needs friends also, no?"
Niira Radia Tapes
Managing Director and CEO. Tata Communications: About RCom stake selling and stock manipulations
Niira Radia Tapes
Third “wife” of Karunanidhi and mother of DMK MP, Kanimozhi on the Voltas connection and building on TRIL land
Niira Radia Tapes
'There is some continuous rumour about this Venugopal Dhoot buying out these [Datacom] guys'
Niira Radia Tapes
"Senthil and Rahul Joshi dono ki le lii"
Niira Radia Tapes
Probably Tata Power employee
Niira Radia Tapes
Judgment Day
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
One way…Totally managed judgment'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
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Niira Radia Tapes
Fixing up panel for Budget discussion on ET Now and a personal meeting
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
"A nuclear deal happens and you fix the spectrum. You know, …something else happens and you fix coal"
Niira Radia Tapes
'I would imagine that share holders are gonna have a view: Why should you start, are you a fool to spend 7 billion dollars to give it for free to your brother?'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Raja: 'I have a party to run'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Outlook Business guy travelling to Barmer
Niira Radia Tapes
'It’s not written by a judge. You can tell that from way it has been written'
Niira Radia Tapes
'K. Venugopal: How is Anil more influential on the High Court side? Niira Radia: Vanavati'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
'There is some fuss about the government coming out with some ordinance on the gas price issue'
Niira Radia Tapes
'There is information going around that Reliance is pulling out of the Haryana SEZ... that Jhajjar... that there are difficulties'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
SC Caveat
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Niira Radia Tapes
'What kind of story do you want? Because this will go as Counterpoint, so it will be like most-most read, but it can’t seem too slanted, yet it is an ideal opportunity to get all the points across'
Niira Radia Tapes
‘This Litigant Told Me He Paid Vijender Jain 9 Cr’
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AI disinvestment -- asset stripping
Niira Radia Tapes
On Vir's article
Niira Radia Tapes
'Vir Sanghvi actually pre-empted me a little (Laughs) There was a line I was going to take ... In critical resources there should be, uh, national policy... You are not a Banana Republic...'
Niira Radia Tapes
"Sunil Jain's article -- so stupid! I think we shouldn't (respond) but a letter to the editor..."
Niira Radia Tapes
Fixing a meeting between MDA abd RNT
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'Empowered Group of Ministers on KG gas, it seems to be… is going to be reconstituted'
Niira Radia Tapes
'Whoever is giving you this input is really giving you the wrong perspective. ... I know for a fact because I’ve had someone speak to the PMO myself.'
Niira Radia Tapes
'You know... we had this Bhardwaj [as law minister] .. [who] used to deal with [Raja] differently. But now ... with Moily … he will just not.. take any chances…. And they ...want the prime minister to pull him up'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
"Ma'm there is some action going to happen at Bombay High Court"
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Niira Radia Tapes
'I want to stay away from this gas issue. You want me to write about it'
Niira Radia Tapes
Pressure on ET when the RNRL news was not carried
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
"I have twisted the article in Pratap Narayan’s name – I have only twisted the article because I can’t write an article on an issue which is before the Supreme Court"
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Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
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Niira Radia Tapes
Director, Tata Power, and then someone else
Niira Radia Tapes
Please help identify this (possibly) member of Parliament
Niira Radia Tapes
80(1) D benefit -- one sided with MDA
Niira Radia Tapes
'The finance ministry has told ET that there is no benefit for RIL. This will be only applicable for future NELP blocks'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
ICICI, AT&T
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
'I understand that Maran is going hammer and tongs for Raja. And I hope Raja doesn’t trip or slip' '...the chief justice has issued a statement that no minister called the high court judge.'
Niira Radia Tapes
"I heard Mahesh Agarwal saying government is not a respondent in this case." " How can they lie! Such liars! I will just have a word with all the channels, sir"
Niira Radia Tapes
Mahesh Agarwal's ticker removed
Niira Radia Tapes
'If the older fellow has so much of an influence, how come the younger brother is able to do so much?'
Niira Radia Tapes
'I want Manoj to meet Sameer Manchanda because Sameer and Manoj had a long chat in between on the cable thing'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
'I met Raja today. I went to see him today and he is alright. He is a happy man. The Chief Justice has given his clearance on him and he’s happy. He’s really happy with that'
Niira Radia Tapes
Praful Patel's made 15,000 crores
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
"They’ve approached Ratan to become the chairman of that advisory committee"
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Anil Ambani itinerary
Niira Radia Tapes
Asking Sunil Arora to send pointers for Tarun Das who's meeting the PM on how Naresh Goyal and Vijay Mallya have connived with the minister to destroy Air India
Niira Radia Tapes
ET finally did not carry the story. "We’ll just handle it with CNBC and with Mint and HT"
Niira Radia Tapes
Praful Patel 'screwed up the airline'
Niira Radia Tapes
"He will use the subscriber’s argument and will going to Vahanvati and Vahanvati will give some silly opinion and again we will be stuck."
Niira Radia Tapes
Tata writing to Power Ministry
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
arranging Baijal TATA meeting
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
"Raja is not doing anything but he is still guiding Anil and Anil is trying to use him to go to Azhagiri and get the Fertiliser sector to be compromised on this gas issue"
Niira Radia Tapes
'Arun Shourie is speaking as a listed speaker in the Rajya Sabha for the BJP but fortunately we have managed to make him the second speaker but made Venkaiah [Naidu] the first'
Niira Radia Tapes
'It was very helpful, Manoj'
Niira Radia Tapes
Sunil Mittal wants to build bridges with Ratan
Niira Radia Tapes
Sukukumar, Mint
Niira Radia Tapes
Tony has destructive strategy'
Niira Radia Tapes
Niira Radia Tapes
'Maybe maybe I should speak to you on some other phone number or something' 'Why, you think they are monitoring my number?'

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