Preliminary transcript of PM’s on-board media interaction enroute to Delhi from Beijing
Prime Minister: Ladies and gentlemen, you have been briefed extensively on the visits to Russia and China, so I won’t go into the details. My visit to Russia was primarily for the Annual Summit. Russia is, for us, a key strategic partner in many areas, including defence, energy and trade. We also have important convergences in a number of areas of regional and international interest. My visit has renewed my confidence in the strength of this relationship.
In China, my visit was to follow up on the process of getting to know the new Chinese leadership better. China is our largest neighbour, a significant economic partner and a country with increasing global presence. While we have our differences, there are many areas, bilateral, regional and multilateral, where cooperation among us is to our mutual benefit. It is only through a process of intense engagement that we will be able to move forward in all areas. I am satisfied that my just concluded visit has served its purpose.
Any questions which you would like to ask?
Sir, during this China visit, as a part of the nine historic agreements, you have also signed some crucial and landmark cross-border river agreement also. At the moment you represent North-East. What is the likely impact of this agreement for our North-Eastern states?
Well, because I represent the North-East, I have been emphatic that cooperation between China and India in matters relating to the trans-border river system should proceed forward. I have been discussing this earlier also with the Chinese leadership. I raised this issue again and there is incremental progress. They have agreed to supply data for more number of days. Also they have recognized that the behaviour of the trans-border river system is of interest to all riparian states. So, our concerns have been put on the table. I hope there will be progress in years to come.
The Chinese leadership termed the visit as very successful, so how do you term your visit to China and compare the two visits to Russia and China?
Both these visits have served their purpose. I am satisfied with the results that we have been able to secure, both in Russia as well as in China.
Our relations with Pakistan haven’t really gone well given the sustained attacks on our border and the meeting in New York which did not go well. With that going down the tube, do you believe that with China we stand a chance with this new border agreement, possibly of settling the border issue at some stage and having peace and tranquillity in that sector?
There is a commitment on the part of both China and India that peace and tranquillity on the border is a pre-requisite for progress in our relationship. So, there is this recognition and on the whole there has been peace and tranquillity on the Indo-China border. So, I am reasonably satisfied that the Chinese leadership is as serious as we are in ensuring peace and tranquillity on the India-China border.
Sir, you have mentioned at least on a couple of times, and in fact, this morning that terrorism, extremism and radicalism emanating from the region is a matter of concern. What was the response of the Chinese government on the concerns that we have on terrorism, India has on terrorism from the region.
Both in Russia and China I found growing recognition that terrorism is a threat to all the countries of the region and that terrorism and extremism both are enemies of progress, that we must work together, pool our intelligence and information system to deal with this menace.
It's been over three weeks since you met Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in New York. Firing, Prime Minister, has not only increased at the LoC but also along the international border, are you disappointed with Nawaz Sharif and if Pakistan continues to fire, how should we respond Prime Minister?
Let me say that I am disappointed, because in the New York meeting there was a general agreement on both the sides that peace and tranquillity should be maintained on the border, on the Line of Control as well as on the international border and this has not happened. It has come to me as a big disappointment. We had agreed at that meeting that the ceasefire which was made effective in 2003, if it has held ground for 10 years, it could be made to hold ground later on also. The fact that this is not happening, is something which is really a matter of disappointment. I sincerely hope that at this late hour Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif will recognize that this is a development which is not good for either of the two countries.
Sir, I have a national question. From the last few weeks or months we are telling by the CBI, the CBI has the right to interrogate the Prime Minister. Don’t you think that you have given so much autonomy to them, they are crossing the Laxman Rekha?
Well, let me say that this matter is now in the courts and I wouldn’t like to comment on that.
Sir, I know, a day before this departure, Prime Minister’s office did issue a clarification, there was nothing wrong with the Hindalco allocations. But after you have left India, there have been demand, coming in particularly form the opposition that why shouldn’t the Prime Minister also be open to interrogation, at least questioning by CBI, are you open to questioning by the CBI?
I am not above the law of the land. If there is anything that the CBI, or for that matter, anybody wants to ask, I have nothing to hide.
Sir, yesterday Rahul Gandhi has spoken about that there is possibility that he could also be killed the way his grandmother and father were killed. Government, does it have any information of any threat to him or anybody targeting him or is it the hate politics of the opposition parties that are making him say that?
Well, I and all sane persons should be worried about the politics of hate which is now sweeping our country. As regards, the threat to the life of Rahul Gandhi, Government will take all possible precautions that this threat does not materialize.
Over the last few years, the Supreme Court has been very active in ordering and monitoring probes in the various alleged corruption scandals as well as laying out policy directions. Do you think that overactive role of the Supreme Court is helping the Executive in dealing with issues or is it contributing to what your critics term policy paralysis.
I wouldn’t like to go into what is happening in the Court. The Supreme Court is the final court of our country. I wouldn’t like to comment on what the Court does or what the Court does not.
Sir, you have responded to a couple of questions on CBI cases regarding coal allocations. Your statement before we left for Russia was very categorical. Statement said that there was no wrong doing in the case referred to by CBI regard to Kumar Mangalam Birla and the case against former Coal Secretary. But sir, all these cases, and you also say that you are not above the law, you are open to answering to questions from anyone. But do all these cases which have acquired a certain political colour, are these cases in some ways, casting shadows on your Prime Ministership and your legacy at the 10 years at the helm of this country.
That is for history to judge. I am doing my duty. I will continue to do my duty. What impact my 10 years of Prime Ministership will have is something which is for historians to judge.
India and China seek for further liberalisation of Visa Regime. Can we expect any positive steps in the near future.
That’s an aspiration that we both have and I hope we can find workable mechanisms to realise that goal.
I have a question on domestic politics. The BJP campaign seems to be up and running for 2014 elections, the Congress party is slow on the off take. How do you expect to meet this challenge?
Well, I think the Congress party is quite active. I don’t share your view that the Congress party is not active enough. I think the BJP may have started early but I think it will also peak early and slow and steady, I think, is the thing which sometimes works in public life as well and I am confident that Congress party will come out victorious in the 2014 elections.
Division of Andhra Pradesh now seems to be not a smooth affair going by the resistance of the people and the Congress leadership including CM of Andhra Pradesh. Are you confident of granting statehood before 2014 elections by solving tricky issues like Hyderabad?
The matter is now before the Group of Ministers. They are going into all aspects of the problem and I am sure they will come out with viable solution to this very difficult and complicated problem.
Sir, in last 9 years, there has been 2G scam, CWG scam, coal scam and then there was a big issue of price rise and also resignation of two senior ministers. Do you think these kind of things have hit your credibility, particularly UPA-II and because your credibility is low, the people like Narendra Modi , his popularity is rising. Can you help us analyse this?
First of all, I would say the ‘scams’ that you are referring to, took place not in UPA-II, they took in UPA-I. After that we had a general election. The Congress party won in that election hands down and I am sure when the result of 2014 gets out, country will once again be surprised.
Rakhal .... "... After 9 + years, after all the scams, if you are still doubtful, ..."
What I said is that ".... there is a question mark on his honesty because of all that has happened on his watch". Personally, for me he has condoned corruption for sure even if he did not personally gain from it whether for party, family or some justification of "a price to pay in the greater good of the nation and people". So even the old argument of "everything around him is corrupt but he is squeaky clean does not wash".
Finally for me he is going down as a sad shakespearean tragic figure.
MMS is neither frank nor honest. He was never frank or honest during the Indo-US nuclear deal and kept on changing goal posts through a pliant media. He was hardly frank during 'cash for votes'. He lied throughout the 2G case. His frankness and honesty was totally exposed when made declarations to face the PAC on 2G when he knew that the PAC had no powers to summon him. On the other hand when it came to the JPC which actually had the powers to summon him, he used Congressi henchmen like Chacko to prevent summons. As I always maintain, we need to make correct leadership choices if we want to progress as a nation. For that, we first have to be well informed not not play a dishonest and cowardly balancing game.
"Frank - may be. Honest - a big question mark but chances are we will not know."
After 9 + years, after all the scams, if you are still doubtful, there is really nothing anyone can do to wake you up from your deep slumber.
There is a story in the Mahabharata about a crane. The crane was in the river and was pretending to be a saint. It spoke all the right words about ahimsa, love etc etc. And the fishes in the river believed it. But unknown to them, the crane used to eat the fishes. One smart fish noticed that their number was going down and investigated and found out what the crane was doing and then they destroyed the crane.
Manmohan is like the crane in the story. He speaks all the right words but when it comes to action, he is the biggest crook out there.
>> Frank - may be. Honest - a big question mark...
But there is no question mark if you listen to the guys in this forum!
Anwaar ..... "Frank and honest he is."
Frank - may be. Honest - a big question mark but chances are we will not know. Personally, I am giving benefit of doubt but cooking up residency in Assam to get into RS isn't honest to begin with, as far as I am concerned. May be it is considered a small infraction in the "larger cause of the nation and greater good" but that is the slippery slope of honesty.
"I wish he was a little more outspoken."
Why ... do you want others to sleep more :-)
We need leaders with political capital not Regents is the basic learning and I hope we do not get any more of Regents - we are a Republic. Even Laloo but "Say No To Regents".
For me, he will go down as a Shakespearean tragic hero, who fritterred away his decades of accomplishment at the altar of a family's selfish needs (a narrow motive of course packaged as a "larger cause of a nation and greater good").
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