Dateline Dantewada: Roy with the Maoists
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Walking With The Comrades
Gandhians with a Gun? Arundhati Roy plunges into the sea of Gondi people to find some answers...

The terse, typewritten note slipped under my door in a sealed envelope confirmed my appointment with India’s Gravest Internal Security Threat. I’d been waiting for months to hear from them. I had to be at the Ma Danteshwari mandir in Dantewada, Chhattisgarh, at any of four given times on two given days. That was to take care of bad weather, punctures, blockades, transport strikes and sheer bad luck. The note said: “Writer should have camera, tika and coconut. Meeter will have cap, Hindi Outlook magazine and bananas. Password: Namashkar Guruji.”

Namashkar Guruji. I wondered whether the Meeter and Greeter would be expecting a man. And whether I should get myself a moustache. 

There are many ways to describe Dantewada. It’s an oxymoron. It’s a border town smack in the heart of India. It’s the epicentre of a war. It’s an upside down, inside out town.


Red Shadow: Centenary celebrations of the adivasi uprising in Bastar; Sten gun at hand

In Dantewada, the police wear plain clothes and the rebels wear uniforms. The jail superintendent is in jail. The prisoners are free (three hundred of them escaped from the old town jail two years ago). Women who have been raped are in police custody. The rapists give speeches in the bazaar.

Across the Indravati river, in the area controlled by the Maoists, is the place the police call ‘Pakistan’. There the villages are empty, but the forest is full of people. Children who ought to be in school run wild. In the lovely forest villages, the concrete school buildings have either been blown up and lie in a heap, or they are full of policemen. The deadly war that is unfolding in the jungle is a war that the Government of India is both proud and shy of. Operation Green Hunt has been proclaimed as well as denied. P. Chidambaram, India’s home minister (and CEO of the war), says it does not exist, that it’s a media creation. And yet substantial funds have been allocated to it and tens of thousands of troops are being mobilised for it. Though the theatre of war is in the jungles of Central India, it will have serious consequences for us all.

If ghosts are the lingering spirits of someone, or something, that has ceased to exist, then perhaps the new four-lane highway crashing through the forest is the opposite of a ghost. Perhaps it is the harbinger of what is still to come.

 
 
In Dantewada, the police wear plain clothes, the rebels wear uniforms. The jail superintendent is in jail; the prisoners are free.
 
 
The antagonists in the forest are disparate and unequal in almost every way. On one side is a massive paramilitary force armed with the money, the firepower, the media, and the hubris of an emerging Superpower. On the other, ordinary villagers armed with traditional weapons, backed by a superbly organised, hugely motivated Maoist guerrilla fighting force with an extraordinary and violent history of armed rebellion. The Maoists and the paramilitary are old adversaries and have fought older avatars of each other several times before: Telangana in the ’50s; West Bengal, Bihar, Srikakulam in Andhra Pradesh in the late ’60s and ’70s; and then again in Andhra Pradesh, Bihar and Maharashtra from the ’80s all the way through to the present. They are familiar with each other’s tactics, and have studied each other’s combat manuals closely. Each time, it seemed as though the Maoists (or their previous avatars) had been not just defeated, but literally, physically exterminated. Each time, they have re-emerged, more organised, more determined and more influential than ever. Today once again the insurrection has spread through the mineral-rich forests of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal—homeland to millions of India’s tribal people, dreamland to the corporate world.

It’s easier on the liberal conscience to believe that the war in the forests is a war between the Government of India and the Maoists, who call elections a sham, Parliament a pigsty and have openly declared their intention to overthrow the Indian State. It’s convenient to forget that tribal people in Central India have a history of resistance that predates Mao by centuries. (That’s a truism of course. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t exist.) The Ho, the Oraon, the Kols, the Santhals, the Mundas and the Gonds have all rebelled several times, against the British, against zamindars and moneylenders. The rebellions were cruelly crushed, many thousands killed, but the people were never conquered. Even after Independence, tribal people were at the heart of the first uprising that could be described as Maoist, in Naxalbari village in West Bengal (where the word Naxalite—now used interchangeably with ‘Maoist’—originates). Since then, Naxalite politics has been inextricably entwined with tribal uprisings, which says as much about the tribals as it does about the Naxalites.


Staying Put: People of Kudur village protest the Bodhghat dam: ‘It does not belong to the capitalists, Bastar is OUrs’y

This legacy of rebellion has left behind a furious people who have been deliberately isolated and marginalised by the Indian government. The Indian Constitution, the moral underpinning of Indian democracy, was adopted by Parliament in 1950. It was a tragic day for tribal people. The Constitution ratified colonial policy and made the State custodian of tribal homelands. Overnight, it turned the entire tribal population into squatters on their own land. It denied them their traditional rights to forest produce, it criminalised a whole way of life. In exchange for the right to vote, it snatched away their right to livelihood and dignity.

Having dispossessed them and pushed them into a downward spiral of indigence, in a cruel sleight of hand, the government began to use their own penury against them. Each time it needed to displace a large population—for dams, irrigation projects, mines—it talked of “bringing tribals into the mainstream” or of giving them “the fruits of modern development”. Of the tens of millions of internally displaced people (more than 30 million by big dams alone), refugees of India’s ‘progress’, the great majority are tribal people. When the government begins to talk of tribal welfare, it’s time to worry.

The most recent expression of concern has come from home minister P. Chidambaram who says he doesn’t want tribal people living in “museum cultures”. The well-being of tribal people didn’t seem to be such a priority during his career as a corporate lawyer, representing the interests of several major mining companies. So it might be an idea to enquire into the basis for his new anxiety.


The Day of the Bhumkal: Face to face with "India's greatest Security Threat".

Over the past five years or so, the governments of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal have signed hundreds of MoUs with corporate houses, worth several billion dollars, all of them secret, for steel plants, sponge-iron factories, power plants, aluminium refineries, dams and mines. In order for the MoUs to translate into real money, tribal people must be moved.

Therefore, this war.

When a country that calls itself a democracy openly declares war within its borders, what does that war look like? Does the resistance stand a chance? Should it? Who are the Maoists? Are they just violent nihilists foisting an outdated ideology on tribal people, goading them into a hopeless insurrection? What lessons have they learned from their past experience? Is armed struggle intrinsically undemocratic? Is the Sandwich Theory—of ‘ordinary’ tribals being caught in the crossfire between the State and the Maoists—an accurate one? Are ‘Maoists’ and ‘Tribals’ two entirely discrete categories as is being made out? Do their interests converge? Have they learned anything from each other? Have they changed each other?

The day before I left, my mother called, sounding sleepy. “I’ve been thinking,” she said, with a mother’s weird instinct, “what this country needs is revolution.”

An article on the internet says that Israel’s Mossad is training 30 high-ranking Indian police officers in the techniques of targeted assassinations, to render the Maoist organisation “headless”. There’s talk in the press about the new hardware that has been bought from Israel: laser range-finders, thermal imaging equipment and unmanned drones, so popular with the US army. Perfect weapons to use against the poor.

The drive from Raipur to Dantewada takes about 10 hours through areas known to be ‘Maoist-infested’. These are not careless words. ‘Infest/infestation’ implies disease/pests. Diseases must be cured. Pests must be exterminated. Maoists must be wiped out. In these creeping, innocuous ways, the language of genocide has entered our vocabulary.

To protect the highway, security forces have ‘secured’ a narrow bandwidth of forest on either side. Further in, it’s the raj of the ‘Dada log’. The Brothers. The Comrades.

On the outskirts of Raipur, a massive billboard advertises Vedanta (the company our home minister once worked with) Cancer Hospital. In Orissa, where it is mining bauxite, Vedanta is financing a university. In these creeping, innocuous ways, mining corporations enter our imaginations: the Gentle Giants Who Really Care. It’s called CSR, Corporate Social Responsibility. It allows mining companies to be like the legendary actor and former chief minister NTR, who liked to play all the parts in Telugu mythologicals—the good guys and the bad guys, all at once, in the same movie. This CSR masks the outrageous economics that underpins the mining sector in India. For example, according to the recent Lokayukta report for Karnataka, for every tonne of iron ore mined by a private company, the government gets a royalty of Rs 27 and the mining company makes Rs 5,000. In the bauxite and aluminium sector, the figures are even worse. We’re talking about daylight robbery to the tune of billions of dollars. Enough to buy elections, governments, judges, newspapers, TV channels, NGOs and aid agencies. What’s the occasional cancer hospital here or there?

I don’t remember seeing Vedanta’s name on the long list of MoUs signed by the Chhattisgarh government. But I’m twisted enough to suspect that if there’s a cancer hospital, there must be a flat-topped bauxite mountain somewhere.

 
 
Tribal people in central India have a history of resistance predating Mao. The rebellions were crushed, but the people were never conquered.
 
 
We pass Kanker, famous for its Counter Terrorism and Jungle Warfare College run by Brigadier B.K. Ponwar, Rumpelstiltskin of this war, charged with the task of turning corrupt, sloppy policemen (straw) into jungle commandos (gold). “Fight a guerrilla like a guerrilla”, the motto of the warfare training school, is painted on the rocks. The men are taught to run, slither, jump on and off air-borne helicopters, ride horses (for some reason), eat snakes and live off the jungle. The brigadier takes great pride in training street dogs to fight ‘terrorists’. Eight hundred policemen graduate from the warfare training school every six weeks. Twenty similar schools are being planned all over India. The police force is gradually being turned into an army. (In Kashmir, it’s the other way around. The army is being turned into a bloated, administrative police force.) Upside down. Inside out. Either way, the Enemy is the People.

It’s late. Jagdalpur is asleep, except for the many hoardings of Rahul Gandhi asking people to join the Youth Congress. He’s been to Bastar twice in recent months but hasn’t said anything much about the war. It’s probably too messy for the People’s Prince to meddle in at this point. His media managers must have put their foot down. The fact that the Salwa Judum—the dreaded, government-sponsored vigilante group responsible for rapes, killings, for burning down villages and driving hundreds of thousands of people from their homes—is led by Mahendra Karma, a Congress MLA, does not get much play in the carefully orchestrated publicity around Rahul Gandhi.

I arrived at the Ma Danteshwari mandir well in time for my appointment (first day, first show). I had my camera, my small coconut and a powdery red tika on my forehead. I wondered if someone was watching me and having a laugh. Within minutes a young boy approached me. He had a cap and a backpack schoolbag. Chipped red nail-polish on his fingernails. No Hindi Outlook, no bananas. “Are you the one who’s going in?” he asked me. No Namashkar Guruji. I did not know what to say. He took out a soggy note from his pocket and handed it to me. It said, “Outlook nahin mila (couldn’t find Outlook).”

“And the bananas?”

“I ate them,” he said, “I got hungry.”

He really was a security threat.

His backpack said Charlie Brown—Not your ordinary blockhead. He said his name was Mangtu. I soon learned that Dandakaranya, the forest I was about to enter, was full of people who had many names and fluid identities. It was like balm to me, that idea. How lovely not to be stuck with yourself, to become someone else for a while.

 
 
I’m surrounded by strange, beautiful children with their curious arsenal—all Maoists. Are they going to die? What for? To turn this into a mine?
 
 
We walked to the bus stand, only a few minutes away from the temple. It was already crowded. Things happened quickly. There were two men on motorbikes. There was no conversation—just a glance of acknowledgment, a shifting of body weight, the revving of engines. I had no idea where we were going. We passed the house of the Superintendent of Police (SP), which I recognised from my last visit. He was a candid man, the SP: “See Ma’am, frankly speaking this problem can’t be solved by us police or military. The problem with these tribals is they don’t understand greed. Unless they become greedy, there’s no hope for us. I have told my boss, remove the force and instead put a TV in every home. Everything will be automatically sorted out.”

In no time at all we were riding out of town. No tail. It was a long ride, three hours by my watch. It ended abruptly in the middle of nowhere, on an empty road with forest on either side. Mangtu got off. I did too. The bikes left, and I picked up my backpack and followed the small internal security threat into the forest. It was a beautiful day. The forest floor was a carpet of gold.

In a while we emerged on the white, sandy banks of a broad flat river. It was obviously monsoon-fed, so now it was more or less a sand flat, at the centre a stream, ankle deep, easy to wade across. Across was ‘Pakistan’. “Out there, ma’am,” the candid SP had said to me, “my boys shoot to kill.” I remembered that as we began to cross. I saw us in a policeman’s rifle-sights—tiny figures in a landscape, easy to pick off. But Mangtu seemed quite unconcerned, and I took my cue from him.

Waiting for us on the other bank, in a lime-green shirt that said Horlicks!, was Chandu. A slightly older security threat. Maybe twenty. He had a lovely smile, a cycle, a jerry can with boiled water and many packets of glucose biscuits for me, from the Party. We caught our breath and began to walk again. The cycle, it turned out, was a red herring. The route was almost entirely non-cycleable. We climbed steep hills and clambered down rocky paths along some pretty precarious ledges. When he couldn’t wheel it, Chandu lifted the cycle and carried it over his head as though it weighed nothing. I began to wonder about his bemused village boy air. I discovered (much later) that he could handle every kind of weapon, “except for an LMG”, he informed me cheerfully.

 
 
CSR. It allows corporates to play good guys and bad guys all at once. If Vedanta has a cancer hospital somewhere, a bauxite mountain can’t be far.
 
 
Three beautiful, sozzled men with flowers in their turbans walked with us for about half an hour, before our paths diverged. At sunset, their shoulder bags began to crow. They had roosters in them, which they had taken to market but hadn’t managed to sell.

Chandu seems to be able to see in the dark. I have to use my torch. The crickets start up and soon there’s an orchestra, a dome of sound over us. I long to look up at the night sky, but I dare not. I have to keep my eyes on the ground. One step at a time. Concentrate.

I hear dogs. But I can’t tell how far away they are. The terrain flattens out. I steal a look at the sky. It makes me ecstatic. I hope we’re going to stop soon. “Soon,” Chandu says. It turns out to be more than an hour. I see silhouettes of enormous trees. We arrive.

The village seems spacious, the houses far away from each other. The house we enter is beautiful. There’s a fire, some people sitting around. More people outside, in the dark. I can’t tell how many. I can just about make them out. A murmur goes around. Lal Salaam Kaamraid (Red Salute, Comrade). Lal Salaam, I say. I’m beyond tired. The lady of the house calls me inside and gives me chicken curry cooked in green beans and some red rice. Fabulous. Her baby is asleep next to me, her silver anklets gleam in the firelight.

After dinner, I unzip my sleeping bag. It’s a strange intrusive sound, the big zip. Someone puts on the radio. BBC Hindi service. The Church of England has withdrawn its funds from Vedanta’s Niyamgiri project, citing environmental degradation and rights violations of the Dongria Kondh tribe. I can hear cowbells, snuffling, shuffling, cattle-farting. All’s well with the world. My eyes close.

We’re up at five. On the move by six. In another couple of hours, we cross another river. We walk through some beautiful villages. Every village has a family of tamarind trees watching over it, like a clutch of huge, benevolent, gods. Sweet, Bastar tamarind. By 11, the sun is high, and walking is less fun. We stop at a village for lunch. Chandu seems to know the people in the house. A beautiful young girl flirts with him. He looks a little shy, maybe because I’m around. Lunch is raw papaya with masoor dal, and red rice. And red chilli powder. We’re going to wait for the sun to lose some of its vehemence before we start walking again. We take a nap in the gazebo. There is a spare beauty about the place. Everything is clean and necessary. No clutter. A black hen parades up and down the low mud wall. A bamboo grid stabilises the rafters of the thatched roof and doubles as a storage rack. There’s a grass broom, two drums, a woven reed basket, a broken umbrella and a whole stack of flattened, empty, corrugated cardboard boxes. Something catches my eye. I need my spectacles. Here’s what’s printed on the cardboard: Ideal Power 90 High Energy Emulsion Explosive (Class-2) SD CAT ZZ.

We start walking again at about two. In the village we are going to meet a Didi (Sister, Comrade) who knows what the next step of the journey will be. Chandu doesn’t. There is an economy of information too. Nobody is supposed to know everything. But when we reach the village, Didi isn’t there. There is no news of her. For the first time, I see a little cloud of worry settling over Chandu. A big one settles over me. I don’t know what the systems of communication are, but what if they’ve gone wrong?


Spare Beauty: Pots, rifles, jhillies... Everything in these villages is clean and necessary

We’re parked outside a deserted school building, a little way out of the village. Why are all the government village schools built like concrete bastions, with steel shutters for windows and sliding folding steel doors? Why not like the village houses, with mud and thatch? Because they double up as barracks and bunkers. “In the villages in Abujhmad,” Chandu says, “schools are like this....” He scratches a building plan with a twig in the earth. Three octagons attached to each other like a honeycomb. “So they can fire in all directions.” He draws arrows to illustrate his point, like a cricket graphic—a batsman’s wagon wheel. There are no teachers in any of the schools, Chandu says. They’ve all run away. Or have you chased them away? No, we only chase police. But why should teachers come here, to the jungle, when they get their salaries sitting at home? Good point.

He informs me that this is a ‘new area’. The Party has entered only recently.

 
 
Rahul’s been to Bastar twice in recent months, but has said nothing on the war. Perhaps it’s too messy for the People’s Prince at this point.
 
 
About 20 young people arrive, girls and boys. In their teens and early 20s. Chandu explains that this is the village-level militia, the lowest rung of the Maoists’ military hierarchy. I have never seen anyone like them before. They are dressed in saris and lungis, some in frayed olive-green fatigues. The boys wear jewellery, headgear. Every one of them has a muzzle-loading rifle, what’s called a bharmaar. Some also have knives, axes, a bow and arrow. One boy carries a crude mortar fashioned out of a heavy three-foot GI pipe. It’s filled with gunpowder and shrapnel and ready to be fired. It makes a big noise, but can only be used once. Still, it scares the police, they say, and giggle. War doesn’t seem to be uppermost on their minds. Perhaps because their area is outside the home range of the Salwa Judum. They have just finished a day’s work, helping to build fencing around some village houses to keep the goats out of the fields. They’re full of fun and curiosity. The girls are confident and easy with the boys. I have a sensor for this sort of thing, and I am impressed. Their job, Chandu says, is to patrol and protect a group of four or five villages and to help in the fields, clean wells or repair houses—doing whatever’s needed.

Still no Didi. What to do? Nothing. Wait. Help out with some chopping and peeling.

After dinner, without much talk, everybody falls in line. Clearly, we are moving. Everything moves with us, the rice, vegetables, pots and pans. We leave the school compound and walk single file into the forest. In less than half an hour, we arrive in a glade where we are going to sleep. There’s absolutely no noise. Within minutes everyone has spread their blue plastic sheets, the ubiquitous ‘jhilli’ (without which there will be no Revolution). Chandu and Mangtu share one and spread one out for me. They find me the best place, by the best grey rock. Chandu says he has sent a message to Didi. If she gets it, she will be here first thing in the morning. If she gets it.

It’s the most beautiful room I have slept in, in a long time. My private suite in a thousand-star hotel. I’m surrounded by these strange, beautiful children with their curious arsenal. They’re all Maoists for sure. Are they all going to die? Is the jungle warfare training school for them? And the helicopter gunships, the thermal imaging and the laser range-finders?

Why must they die? What for? To turn all of this into a mine? I remember my visit to the open cast iron-ore mines in Keonjhar, Orissa. There was forest there once. And children like these. Now the land is like a raw, red wound. Red dust fills your nostrils and lungs. The water is red, the air is red, the people are red, their lungs and hair are red. All day and all night trucks rumble through their villages, bumper to bumper, thousands and thousands of trucks, taking ore to Paradip port from where it will go to China. There it will turn into cars and smoke and sudden cities that spring up overnight. Into a ‘growth rate’ that leaves economists breathless. Into weapons to make war.

Everyone’s asleep except for the sentries who take one-and-a-half-hour shifts. Finally, I can look at the stars. When I was a child growing up on the banks of the Meenachal river, I used to think the sound of crickets—which always started up at twilight—was the sound of stars revving up, getting ready to shine. I’m surprised at how much I love being here. There is nowhere else in the world that I would rather be. Who should I be tonight? Kamraid Rahel, under the stars? Maybe Didi will come tomorrow.

They arrive in the early afternoon. I can see them from a distance. About 15 of them, all in olive-green uniforms, running towards us. Even from a distance, from the way they run, I can tell they are the heavy hitters. The People’s Liberation Guerrilla Army (PLGA). For whom the thermal imaging and laser-guided rifles. For whom the jungle warfare training school.

 
 
In April ’05, the Chhattisgarh government signed two MoUs for steel plants. The same month, the PM called Maoists the ‘gravest security threat’.
 
 
They carry serious rifles, INSAS, SLR, two have AK-47s. The leader of the squad is Comrade Madhav who has been with the Party since he was nine. He’s from Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. He’s upset and extremely apologetic. There was a major miscommunication, he says again and again, which usually never happens. I was supposed to have arrived at the main camp on the very first night. Someone dropped the baton in the jungle-relay. The motorcycle drop was to have been at an entirely different place. “We made you wait, we made you walk so much. We ran all the way when the message came that you were here.” I said it was okay, that I had come prepared, to wait and walk and listen. He wants to leave immediately, because people in the camp were waiting, and worried.

It’s a few hours’ walk to the camp. It’s getting dark when we arrive. There are several layers of sentries and concentric circles of patrolling. There must be a hundred comrades lined up in two rows. Everyone has a weapon. And a smile. They begin to sing: Lal lal salaam, lal lal salaam, aane vaale saathiyon ko lal lal salaam (red salute to the comrades who have arrived). It is sung sweetly, as though it was a folk song about a river, or a forest blossom. With the song, the greeting, the handshake, and the clenched fist. Everyone greets everyone, murmuring Lalslaam, mlalslaa mlalslaam....

 
 
I remember my visit to the iron ore mines in Keonjhar. Once it had forest. Now the land’s like a raw, red wound. Red water, red air, red people.
 
 
Other than a large blue jhilli spread out on the floor, about 15 feet square, there are no signs of a ‘camp’. This one has a jhilli roof as well. It’s my room for the night. I was either being rewarded for my days of walking, or being pampered in advance for what lay ahead. Or both. Either way it was the last time in the entire trip that I was going to have a roof over my head. Over dinner I meet Comrade Narmada, in charge of the Krantikari Adivasi Mahila Sangathan (KAMS), who has a price on her head; Comrade Saroja of the PLGA who is only as tall as her SLR; Comrade Maase (which means Black Girl in Gondi), who has a price on her head too; Comrade Rupi, the tech wizard; Comrade Raju, who’s in charge of the division I’d been walking through; and Comrade Venu (or Murali or Sonu or Sushil, whatever you would like to call him), clearly the seniormost of them all. Maybe central committee, maybe even politburo. I’m not told, I don’t ask. Between us we speak Gondi, Halbi, Telugu, Punjabi and Malayalam. Only Maase speaks English. (So we all communicate in Hindi!) Comrade Maase is tall and quiet and seems to have to swim through a layer of pain to enter the conversation. But from the way she hugs me, I can tell she’s a reader. And that she misses having books in the jungle. She will tell me her story only later. When she trusts me with her grief.

Bad news arrives, as it does in this jungle. A runner, with ‘biscuits’. Handwritten notes on sheets of paper, folded and stapled into little squares. There’s a bag full of them. Like chips. News from everywhere. The police have killed five people in Ongnaar village, four from the militia and one ordinary villager: Santhu Pottai (25), Phoolo Vadde (22), Kande Pottai (22), Ramoli Vadde (20), Dalsai Koram (22). They could have been the children in my star-spangled dormitory of last night.

Then good news arrives. A small contingent of people with a plump young man. He’s in fatigues too, but they look brand new. Everybody admires them and comments on the fit. He looks shy and pleased. He’s a doctor who has come to live and work with the comrades in the forest. The last time a doctor visited Dandakaranya was many years ago.


Performing Arts: Members of the Chetna Natya Manch, the cultural wing of the party, waiting in the wings

On the radio there’s news about the home minister’s meeting with chief ministers of states ‘affected by Left-Wing Extremism’. The chief ministers of Jharkhand and Bihar are being demure and have not attended. Everybody sitting around the radio laughs. Around the time of elections, they say, right through the campaign, and then maybe a month or two after the government is formed, mainstream politicians all say things like “Naxals are our children”. You can set your watch to the schedule of when they will change their minds, and grow fangs.

I am introduced to Comrade Kamla. I am told that I must on no account go even five feet away from my jhilli without waking her. Because everybody gets disoriented in the dark and could get seriously lost. (I don’t wake her. I sleep like a log.) In the morning Kamla presents me with a yellow polythene packet with one corner snipped off. Once it used to contain Abis Gold Refined Soya Oil. Now it was my Loo Mug. Nothing’s wasted on the Road to the Revolution.

(Even now I think of Comrade Kamla all the time, every day. She’s 17. She wears a homemade pistol on her hip. And boy, what a smile. But if the police come across her, they’ll kill her. They might rape her first. No questions will be asked. Because she’s an Internal Security Threat.)

After breakfast, Comrade Venu (Sushil, Sonu, Murali) is waiting for me, sitting cross-legged on the jhilli, looking for all the world like a frail village schoolteacher. I’m going to get a history lesson. Or, more accurately, a lecture on the history of the last 30 years in the Dandakaranya forest, which has culminated in the war that’s swirling through it today. For sure, it’s a partisan’s version. But then, what history isn’t? In any case, the secret history must be made public if it is to be contested, argued with, instead of merely being lied about, which is what is happening now.

 
 
Around the time of elections, mainstream netas say things like Naxals are our children. You can set your watch to when they’ll grow fangs.
 
 
Comrade Venu has a calm, reassuring manner and a gentle voice that will, in the days to come, surface in a context that will completely unnerve me. This morning he talks for several hours, almost continuously. He’s like a little store manager who has a giant bunch of keys with which to open up a maze of lockers full of stories, songs and insights.

Comrade Venu was in one of the seven armed squads who crossed the Godavari from Andhra Pradesh and entered the Dandakaranya forest (DK, in Partyspeak) in June 1980, 30 years ago. He is one of the original forty-niners. They belonged to People’s War Group (PWG), a faction of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) or CPI(ML), the original Naxalites. PWG was formally announced as a separate, independent party in April that year, under Kondapalli Seetharamiah. PWG had decided to build a standing army, for which it would need a base. DK was to be that base, and those first squads were sent in to reconnoitre the area and begin the process of building guerrilla zones. The debate about whether communist parties ought to have a standing army, and whether or not a ‘people’s army’ is a contradiction in terms, is an old one. PWG’s decision to build an army came from its experience in Andhra Pradesh, where its ‘Land to the Tiller’ campaign led to a direct clash with the landlords, and resulted in the kind of police repression that the party found impossible to withstand without a trained fighting force of its own.

(By 2004, PWG had merged with the other CPI(ML) factions, Party Unity (PU) and the Maoist Communist Centre (MCC)—which functions for the most part out of Bihar and Jharkhand. To become what it is now, the Communist Party of India-Maoist.)

Dandakaranya is part of what the British, in their White Man’s way, called Gondwana, land of the Gonds. Today the state boundaries of Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Orissa, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra slice through the forest. Breaking up a troublesome people into separate administrative units is an old trick. But these Maoists and Maoist Gonds don’t pay much attention to things like state boundaries. They have different maps in their heads, and like other creatures of the forest, they have their own paths. For them, roads are not meant for walking on. They’re meant only to be crossed, or as is increasingly becoming the case, ambushed. Though the Gonds (divided between the Koya and Dorla tribes) are by far the biggest majority, there are small settlements of other tribal communities too. The non-adivasi communities, traders and settlers, live on the edges of the forest, near the roads and markets.

The PWG were not the first evangelicals to arrive in Dandakaranya. Baba Amte, the well-known Gandhian, had opened his ashram and leprosy hospital in Warora in 1975. The Ramakrishna Mission had begun opening village schools in the remote forests of Abujhmad. In north Bastar, Baba Bihari Das had started an aggressive drive to “bring tribals back into the Hindu fold”, which involved a campaign to denigrate tribal culture, induce self-hatred, and introduce Hinduism’s great gift—caste. The first converts, the village chiefs and big landlords—people like Mahendra Karma, founder of the Salwa Judum—were conferred the status of Dwij, twice-born, Brahmins. (Of course, this was a bit of a scam, because nobody can become a Brahmin. If they could, we’d be a nation of Brahmins by now.) But this counterfeit Hinduism is considered good enough for tribal people, just like the counterfeit brands of everything else—biscuits, soap, matches, oil—that are sold in village markets. As part of the Hindutva drive, the names of villages were changed in land records, as a result of which most have two names now, people’s names and government names. Innar village, for example, became Chinnari. On voters’ lists, tribal names were changed to Hindu names. (Massa Karma became Mahendra Karma.) Those who did not come forward to join the Hindu fold were declared ‘Katwas’ (by which they meant untouchables) who later became the natural constituency for the Maoists.

 
 
These Maoists and Maoist Gonds don’t pay attention to things like state boundaries. They have different maps in their heads, their own paths.
 
 
The PWG first began work in south Bastar and Gadchiroli. Comrade Venu describes those first months in some detail: how the villagers were suspicious of them, and wouldn’t let them into their homes. No one would offer them food or water. The police spread rumours that they were thieves. The women hid their jewellery in the ashes of their wood stoves. There was an enormous amount of repression. In November 1980, in Gadchiroli, the police opened fire at a village meeting and killed an entire squad. That was DK’s first ‘encounter’ killing. It was a traumatic setback, and the comrades retreated across the Godavari and returned to Adilabad but in 1981 they returned. They began to organise tribal people to demand a rise in the price they were being paid for tendu leaves (which are used to make beedis). At the time, traders paid three paise for a bundle of about 50 leaves. It was a formidable job to organise people entirely unfamiliar with this kind of politics, to lead them on strike. Eventually the strike was successful and the price was doubled, to six paise a bundle. But the real success for the party was to have been able to demonstrate the value of unity and a new way of conducting a political negotiation. Today, after several strikes and agitations, the price of a bundle of tendu leaves is Re 1. (It seems a little improbable at these rates, but the turnover of the tendu business runs into hundreds of crores of rupees.) Every season, the government floats tenders and gives contractors permission to extract a fixed volume of tendu leaves—usually between 1,500 and 5,000 standard bags known as manak boras. Each manak bora contains about 1,000 bundles. (Of course, there’s no way of ensuring that the contractors don’t extract more than they’re meant to.) By the time the tendu enters the market, it is sold in kilos. The slippery arithmetic and the sly system of measurement that converts bundles into manak boras into kilos is controlled by the contractors, and leaves plenty of room for manipulation of the worst kind. The most conservative estimate puts their profit per standard bag at about Rs 1,100. (That’s after paying the party a commission of Rs 120 per bag.) Even by that gauge, a small contractor (1,500 bags) makes about Rs 16 lakh a season and a big one (5,000 bags) upto Rs 55 lakh. A more realistic estimate would be several times this amount. Meanwhile, the Gravest Internal Security Threat makes just enough to stay alive until the next season.


Gathered Storm: Dance troupes of various Janatana Sarkars perform on Bhumkal Day

We’re interrupted by some laughter and the sight of Nilesh, one of the young PLGA comrades, walking rapidly towards the cooking area, slapping himself. When he comes closer, I see that he’s carrying a leafy nest of angry red ants that have crawled all over him and are biting him on his arms and neck. Nilesh is laughing too. “Have you ever eaten ant chutney?” Comrade Venu asks me. I know red ants well, from my childhood in Kerala, I’ve been bitten by them, but I’ve never eaten them. (The chapoli turns out to be nice. Sour. Lots of folic acid.)

Nilesh is from Bijapur, which is at the heart of Salwa Judum operations. Nilesh’s younger brother joined the Judum on one of its looting and burning sprees and was made a Special Police Officer (SPO). He lives in the Basaguda camp with his mother. His father refused to go and stayed behind in the village. In effect, it’s a family blood feud. Later on, when I had an opportunity to talk to him, I asked Nilesh why his brother had done that. “He was very young,” Nilesh said, “he got an opportunity to run wild and hurt people and burn houses. He went crazy, did terrible things. Now he is stuck. He can never come back to the village. He will not be forgiven. He knows that.”

We return to the history lesson. The party’s next big struggle, Comrade Venu says, was against the Ballarpur Paper Mills. The government had given the Thapars a 45-year contract to extract 1.5 lakh tonnes of bamboo at a hugely subsidised rate. (Small beer compared to bauxite, but still.) The tribals were paid 10 paise for a bundle which contained 20 culms of bamboo. (I won’t yield to the vulgar temptation of comparing that with the profits the Thapars were making.) A long agitation, a strike, followed by negotiations with officials of the paper mill in the presence of the people, tripled the price to 30 paise per bundle. For the tribal people, these were huge achievements. Other political parties had made promises, but showed no signs of keeping them. People began to approach the PWG asking if they could join up.

But the politics of tendu, bamboo and other forest produce was seasonal. The perennial problem, the real bane of people’s lives, was the biggest landlord of all, the Forest Department. Every morning, forest officials, even the most junior of them, would appear in villages like a bad dream, preventing people from ploughing their fields, collecting firewood, plucking leaves, picking fruit, grazing their cattle, from living. They brought elephants to overrun fields and scattered babool seeds to destroy the soil as they passed by. People would be beaten, arrested, humiliated, their crops destroyed. Of course, from the forest department’s point of view, these were illegal people engaged in unconstitutional activity, and the department was only implementing the Rule of Law. (Their sexual exploitation of women was just an added perk in a hardship posting.)

Emboldened by the people’s participation in these struggles, the party decided to confront the forest department. It encouraged people to take over forest land and cultivate it. The forest department retaliated by burning new villages that came up in forest areas. In 1986, it announced a National Park in Bijapur, which meant the eviction of 60 villages. More than half of them had already been moved out, and construction of national park infrastructure had begun when the party moved in. It demolished the construction and stopped the eviction of the remaining villages. It prevented the forest department from entering the area. On a few occasions, officials were captured, tied to trees and beaten by villagers. It was cathartic revenge for generations of exploitation. Eventually, the forest department fled. Between 1986 and 2000, the party redistributed 3,00,000 acres of forest land. Today, Comrade Venu says, there are no landless peasants in Dandakaranya.

For today’s generation of young people, the forest department is a distant memory, the stuff of stories mothers tell their children, about a mythological past of bondage and humiliation. For the older generation, freedom from the forest department meant genuine freedom. They could touch it, taste it. It meant far more than India’s Independence ever did. They began to rally to the party that had struggled with them.

The seven-squad team had come a long way. Its influence now ranged across a 60,000 sq km stretch of forest, thousands of villages and millions of people.

But the departure of the forest department heralded the arrival of the police. That set off a cycle of bloodshed. Fake ‘encounters’ by the police, ambushes by the PWG. With the redistribution of land came other responsibilities: irrigation, agricultural productivity and the problem of an expanding population arbitrarily clearing forest land. A decision was taken to separate ‘mass work’ and ‘military work’.

Today, Dandakaranya is administered by an elaborate structure of Janatana Sarkars (people’s governments). The organising principles came from the Chinese revolution and the Vietnam war. Each Janatana Sarkar is elected by a cluster of villages whose combined population can range from 500 to 5,000. It has nine departments: Krishi (agriculture), Vyapar-Udyog (trade and industry) Arthik (economic), Nyay (justice), Raksha (defence), Hospital (health), Jan Sampark (public relations), School-Riti Rivaj (education and culture), and Jungle. A group of Janatana Sarkars come under an Area Committee. Three area committees make up a Division. There are 10 divisions in Dandakaranya.

“We have a Save the Jungle department now,” Comrade Venu says. “You must have read the government report that says forest has increased in Naxal areas?”

 
 
You’ve to be born a Brahmin, you can’t become one. But counterfeit Hinduism is good enough for tribals, like the counterfeit brands here.
 
 
Ironically, Comrade Venu says, the first people to benefit from the party’s campaign against the forest department were the mukhias (village chiefs)—the Dwij brigade. They used their manpower and their resources to grab as much land as they could while the going was good. But then people began to approach the party with their “internal contradictions”, as Comrade Venu put it quaintly. The party began to turn its attention to issues of equity, class and injustice within tribal society. The big landlords sensed trouble on the horizon. As the party’s influence expanded, theirs had begun to wane. Increasingly, people were taking their problems to the party instead of to the mukhias. Old forms of exploitation began to be challenged. On the day of the first rain, people were traditionally supposed to till the mukhia’s land instead of their own. That stopped. They no longer offered them the first day’s picking of mahua or other forest produce. Obviously, something needed to be done.

Enter Mahendra Karma, one of the biggest landlords in the region and at the time a member of the Communist Party of India (CPI). In 1990, he rallied a group of mukhias and landlords and started a campaign called the Jan Jagran Abhiyaan (public awakening campaign). Their way of ‘awakening’ the ‘public’ was to form a hunting party of about 300 men to comb the forest, killing people, burning houses and molesting women. The then Madhya Pradesh government—Chhattisgarh had not yet been created—provided police back-up. In Maharashtra, something similar called ‘Democratic Front’ began its assault. People’s War responded to all of this in true People’s War style, by killing a few of the most notorious landlords. In a few months, the Jan Jagran Abhiyaan, the ‘white terror’—Comrade Venu’s term for it—faded. In 1998, Mahendra Karma, who had by now joined the Congress party, tried to revive the Jan Jagran Abhiyaan. This time it fizzled out even faster than before.


Armed Strugglers: A village militia, the ‘base force’ of the People’s Liberation Guerrilla Army

Then, in the summer of 2005, fortune favoured him. In April, the BJP government in Chhattisgarh signed two MoUs to set up integrated steel plants (the terms of which are secret). One for Rs 7,000 crore with Essar Steel in Bailadila, and the other for Rs 10,000 crore with Tata Steel in Lohandiguda. That same month, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh made his famous statement about the Maoists being the “Gravest Internal Security Threat” to India. (It was an odd thing to say at the time, because actually the opposite was true. The Congress government in Andhra Pradesh had just outmanoeuvred the Maoists, decimated them. They had lost about 1,600 of their cadre and were in complete disarray.) The PM’s statement sent the share value of mining companies soaring. It also sent a signal to the media that the Maoists were fair game for anyone who chose to go after them. In June 2005, Mahendra Karma called a secret meeting of mukhias in Kutroo village and announced the Salwa Judum (the Purification Hunt). A lovely melange of tribal earthiness and Dwij/Nazi sentiment.

Unlike the Jan Jagran Abhiyaan, the Salwa Judum was a ground-clearing operation, meant to move people out of their villages into roadside camps, where they could be policed and controlled. In military terms, it’s called Strategic Hamleting. It was devised by General Sir Harold Briggs in 1950 when the British were at war against the communists in Malaya. The Briggs Plan became very popular with the Indian army, which has used it in Nagaland, Mizoram and in Telangana. The BJP chief minister of Chhattisgarh, Raman Singh, announced that as far as his government was concerned, villagers who did not move into the camps would be considered Maoists. So, in Bastar, for an ordinary villager, just staying at home became the equivalent of indulging in dangerous terrorist activity.

Along with a steel mug of black tea, as a special treat, someone hands me a pair of earphones and switches on a little MP3 player. It’s a scratchy recording of Mr Manhar, the then SP Bijapur, briefing a junior officer over the wireless about the rewards and incentives the state and central governments are offering to ‘jagrit’ (awakened) villages, and to people who agree to move into camps. He then gives clear instructions that villages that refuse to surrender should be burnt and journalists who want to ‘cover’ Naxalites should be shot on sight. (I’d read about this in the papers long ago. When the story broke, as punishment—it’s not clear to whom—the SP was transferred to the State Human Rights Commission.)

The first village the Salwa Judum burnt (on June 18, 2005) was Ambeli. Between June and December 2005, it burned, killed, raped and looted its way through hundreds of villages of south Dantewada. The centre of its operations were the districts of Bijapur and Bhairamgarh, near Bailadila, where Essar Steel’s new plant was proposed. Not coincidentally, these were also Maoist strongholds, where the Janatana Sarkars had done a great deal of work, especially in building water-harvesting structures. The Janatana Sarkars became the special target of the Salwa Judum’s attacks. Hundreds of people were killed in the most brutal ways. About 60,000 people moved into camps, some voluntarily, others out of terror. Of these, about 3,000 were appointed SPOs on a salary of Rs 1,500.

For these paltry crumbs, young people, like Nilesh’s brother, have sentenced themselves to a life-sentence in a barbed wire enclosure. Cruel as they have been, they could end up being the worst victims of this horrible war. No Supreme Court judgement ordering the Salwa Judum to be dismantled can change their fate.

The remaining hundreds of thousands of people went off the government radar. (But the development funds for these 644 villages did not. What happens to that little goldmine?) Many of them made their way to Andhra Pradesh and Orissa where they usually migrated to work as contract labour during the chilli-picking season. But tens of thousands fled into the forest, where they still remain, living without shelter, coming back to their fields and homes only in the daytime.

In the slipstream of the Salwa Judum, a swarm of police stations and camps appeared. The idea was to provide carpet security for a ‘creeping reoccupation’ of Maoist-controlled territory. The assumption was that the Maoists would not dare to attack such a large concentration of security forces. The Maoists, for their part, realised that if they did not break that carpet security, it would amount to abandoning people whose trust they had earned, and with whom they had lived and worked for 25 years. They struck back in a series of attacks on the heart of the security grid.

On January 26, 2006, the PLGA attacked the Gangalaur police camp and killed seven people. On July 17, 2006, the Salwa Judum camp at Erabor was attacked, 20 people were killed and 150 injured. (You might have read about it: “Maoists attacked the relief camp set up by the state government to provide shelter to the villagers who had fled from their villages because of terror unleashed by the Naxalites.”) On December 13, 2006, they attacked the Basaguda ‘relief’ camp and killed three SPOs and a constable. On March 15, 2007, came the most audacious of them all. One hundred and twenty PLGA guerrillas attacked the Rani Bodili Kanya Ashram, a girls’ hostel that had been converted into a barrack for 80 Chhattisgarh Police (and SPOs) while the girls still lived in it as human shields. The PLGA entered the compound, cordoned off the annexe in which the girls lived, and attacked the barracks. Some 55 policemen and SPOs were killed. None of the girls was hurt. (The candid SP of Dantewada had shown me his PowerPoint presentation with horrifying photographs of the burned, disembowelled bodies of the policemen amidst the ruins of the blown-up school building. They were so macabre, it was impossible not to look away. He looked pleased at my reaction.)

The attack on Rani Bodili caused an uproar in the country. Human rights organisations condemned the Maoists not just for their violence, but also for being anti-education and attacking schools. But in Dandakaranya, the Rani Bodili attack became a legend: songs, poems and plays were written about it.

 
 
We shouldn’t judge Charu Mazumdar too harshly. Especially not while we swaddle ourselves with Gandhi’s pious humbug.
 
 
The Maoist counter-offensive did break the carpet security and gave people breathing space. The police and the Salwa Judum retreated into their camps, from which they now emerge—usually in the dead of night—only in packs of 300 or 1,000 to carry out cordon and search operations in villages. Gradually, except for the SPOs and their families, the rest of the people in the Salwa Judum camps began to return to their villages. The Maoists welcomed them back and announced that even SPOs could return if they genuinely, and publicly, regretted their actions. Young people began to flock to the PLGA. (The PLGA had been formally constituted in December 2000. Over the last 30 years, its armed squads had very gradually expanded into sections, sections had grown into platoons, and platoons into companies. But after the Salwa Judum’s depredations, the PLGA was rapidly able to declare battalion strength.)

The Salwa Judum had not just failed, it had backfired badly.

As we now know, it was not just a local operation by a small-time hood. Regardless of the doublespeak in the press, the Salwa Judum was a joint operation by the state government of Chhattisgarh and the Congress party which was in power at the Centre. It could not be allowed to fail. Not when all those MoUs were still waiting, like wilting hopefuls on the marriage market. The government was under tremendous pressure to come up with a new plan. They came up with Operation Green Hunt. The Salwa Judum SPOs are called Koya Commandos now. It has deployed the Chhattisgarh Armed Force (CAF), the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the Border Security Force (BSF), the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP), the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), Greyhounds, Scorpions, Cobras. And a policy that’s affectionately called WHAM—Winning Hearts and Minds.

 
 
Lohandiguda was never a Naxal area. The comrades moved in when graffiti saying ‘Naxali aao, hamein bachao’ began appearing on walls.
 
 
Significant wars are often fought in unlikely places. Free Market Capitalism defeated Soviet Communism in the bleak mountains of Afghanistan. Here in the forests of Dantewada, a battle rages for the soul of India. Plenty has been said about the deepening crisis in Indian democracy and the collusion between big corporations, major political parties and the security establishment. If anybody wants to do a quick spot check, Dantewada is the place to go.

A draft report on State Agrarian Relations and the Unfinished Task of Land Reform (Volume 1) said that Tata Steel and Essar Steel were the first financiers of the Salwa Judum. Because it was a government report, it created a flurry when it was reported in the press. (That fact has subsequently been dropped from the final report. Was it a genuine error, or did someone receive a gentle, integrated steel tap on the shoulder?)

On October 12, 2009, the mandatory public hearing for Tata’s steel plant, meant to be held in Lohandiguda where local people could come, actually took place in a small hall inside the Collectorate in Jagdalpur, many miles away, cordoned off with massive security. A hired audience of 50 tribals was brought in a guarded convoy of government jeeps. After the meeting, the district collector congratulated ‘the people of Lohandiguda’ for their cooperation. The local newspapers reported the lie, even though they knew better. (The advertisements rolled in.) Despite villagers’ objections, land acquisition for the project has begun.

The Maoists are not the only ones who seek to depose the Indian State. It’s already been deposed several times by Hindu fundamentalism and economic totalitarianism.

 
 
In true colonial fashion, they send Nagas and Mizos to fight in Chhattisgarh, the Sikhs to Kashmir, and the Tamilians to Assam.
 
 
Lohandiguda, a five-hour drive from Dantewada, never used to be a Naxalite area. But it is now. Comrade Joori, who sat next to me while I ate the ant chutney, works in the area. She said they decided to move in after graffiti had begun to appear on the walls of village houses, saying, Naxali aao, hamein bachao (Naxals come and save us)! A few months ago, Vimal Meshram, president of the village panchayat, was shot dead in the market. “He was Tata’s man,” Joori says. “He was forcing people to give up their land and accept compensation. It’s good that he’s been finished. We lost a comrade too. They shot him. D’you want more chapoli?” She’s only 20. “We won’t let the Tatas come there. People don’t want them.” Joori is not PLGA. She’s in the Chetna Natya Manch (CNM), the cultural wing of the party. She sings. She writes songs. She’s from Abujhmad. (She’s married to Comrade Madhav. She fell in love with his singing when he visited her village with a CNM troupe.)

I feel I ought to say something at this point. About the futility of violence, about the unacceptability of summary executions. But what should I suggest they do? Go to court? Do a dharna at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi? A rally? A relay hunger strike? It sounds ridiculous. The promoters of the New Economic Policy—who find it so easy to say “There Is No Alternative”—should be asked to suggest an alternative Resistance Policy. A specific one, to these specific people, in this specific forest. Here. Now. Which party should they vote for? Which democratic institution in this country should they approach? Which door did the Narmada Bachao Andolan not knock on during the years and years it fought against Big Dams on the Narmada?

It’s dark. There’s a lot of activity in the camp, but I can’t see anything. Just points of light moving around. It’s hard to tell whether they are stars or fireflies or Maoists on the move. Little Mangtu appears from nowhere. I found out that he’s part of the first batch of the Young Communists Mobile School, who are being taught to read and write and tutored in basic Communist principles. (“Indoctrination of young minds!” our corporate media howls. The TV advertisements that brainwash children before they can even think are not seen as a form of indoctrination.) The young Communists are not allowed to carry guns or wear uniforms. But they trail the PLGA squads, with stars in their eyes, like groupies of a rock band.

Mangtu has adopted me with a gently proprietorial air. He has filled my water bottle and says I should pack my bag. A whistle blows. The blue jhilli tent is dismantled and folded up in five minutes flat. Another whistle and all hundred comrades fall in line. Five rows. Comrade Raju is the Director of Ops. There’s a roll call. I’m in the line too, shouting out my number when Comrade Kamla who is in front of me, prompts me. (We count to twenty and then start from one, because that’s as far as most Gonds count. Twenty is enough for them. Maybe it should be enough for us too.) Chandu is in fatigues now, and carries a sten gun. In a low voice, Comrade Raju is briefing the group. It’s all in Gondi, I don’t understand a thing, but I keep hearing the word RV. Later Raju tells me it stands for Rendezvous! It’s a Gondi word now. “We make RV points so that in case we come under fire and people have to scatter, they know where to regroup.” He cannot possibly know the kind of panic this induces in me. Not because I’m scared of being fired on, but because I’m scared of being lost. I’m a directional dyslexic, capable of getting lost between my bedroom and my bathroom. What will I do in 60,000 square kilometres of forest? Come hell or high water, I’m going to be holding on to Comrade Raju’s pallu.

 
 
Dandakaranya was full of people who had many names, fluid identities. It was balm to me, the idea. Not to be stuck with yourself, be someone else.
 
 
Before we start walking, Comrade Venu comes up to me: “Okaythen comrade. I’ll take your leave.” I’m taken aback. He looks like a little mosquito in a woollen cap and chappals, surrounded by his guards, three women, three men. Heavily armed. “We are very grateful to you comrade, for coming all the way here,” he says. Once again the handshake, the clenched fist. “Lal Salaam Comrade.” He disappears into the forest, the Keeper of the Keys. And in a moment, it’s as though he was never here. I’m a little bereft. But I have hours of recordings to listen to. And as the days turn into weeks, I will meet many people who paint colour and detail into the grid he drew for me. We begin to walk in the opposite direction. Comrade Raju, smelling of Iodex from a mile off, says with a happy smile, “My knees are gone. I can only walk if I have had a fistful of painkillers.”

Comrade Raju speaks perfect Hindi and has a deadpan way of telling the funniest stories. He worked as an advocate in Raipur for 18 years. Both he and his wife Malti were party members and part of its city network. At the end of 2007, one of the key people in the Raipur network was arrested, tortured and eventually turned informer. He was driven around Raipur in a closed police vehicle and made to point out his former colleagues. Comrade Malti was one of them. On January 22, 2008, she was arrested along with several others. The charge against her is that she mailed CDs containing video evidence of Salwa Judum atrocities to several members of Parliament. Her case rarely comes up for hearing because the police know their case is flimsy. But the new Chhattisgarh Special Public Security Act (CSPSA) allows the police to hold her without bail for several years. “Now the government has deployed several battalions of Chhattisgarh police to protect the poor members of Parliament from their own mail,” Comrade Raju says. He did not get caught because he was in Dandakaranya at the time, attending a meeting. He’s been here ever since. His two schoolgoing children, who were left alone at home, were interrogated extensively by the police. Finally, their home was packed up and they went to live with an uncle. Comrade Raju received news of them for the first time only a few weeks ago. What gives him this strength, this ability to hold on to his acid humour? What keeps them all going, despite all they have endured? Their faith and hope—and love—for the Party. I encounter it again and again, in the deepest, most personal ways.

 
 
This army is more Gandhian than any Gandhian, even in sabotage. Before burning a police vehicle, it’s stripped down, the parts cannibalised.
 
 
We’re moving in single file now. Myself and one hundred “senselessly violent”, bloodthirsty insurgents. I looked around at the camp before we left. There are no signs that almost a hundred people had camped here, except for some ash where the fires had been. I cannot believe this army. As far as consumption goes, it’s more Gandhian than any Gandhian, and has a lighter carbon footprint than any climate change evangelist. But for now, it even has a Gandhian approach to sabotage; before a police vehicle is burnt, for example, it is stripped down and every part cannibalised. The steering wheel is straightened out and made into a bharmaar, the rexine upholstery stripped and used for ammunition pouches, the battery for solar charging. (The new instructions from the high command are that captured vehicles should be buried and not cremated. So they can be resurrected when needed.) Should I write a play, I wonder—Gandhi Get Your Gun? Or will I be lynched?

We’re walking in pitch darkness and dead silence. I’m the only one using a torch, pointed down so that all I can see in its circle of light are Comrade Kamla’s bare heels in her scuffed, black chappals, showing me exactly where to put my feet. She is carrying 10 times more weight than I am. Her backpack, her rifle, a huge bag of provisions on her head, one of the large cooking pots and two shoulder bags full of vegetables. The bag on her head is perfectly balanced, and she can scramble down slopes and slippery rock pathways without so much as touching it. She is a miracle. It turns out to be a long walk. I’m grateful to the history lesson because apart from everything else it gave my feet a rest for a whole day. It’s the most beautiful thing, walking in the forest at night.

And I’ll be doing it night after night.

We’re going to a celebration of the centenary of the 1910 Bhumkal rebellion in which the Koyas rose up against the British. Bhumkal means earthquake. Comrade Raju says people will walk for days together to come for the celebration. The forest must be full of people on the move. There are celebrations in all the DK divisions. We are privileged because Comrade Leng, the Master of Ceremonies, is walking with us. In Gondi, Leng means ‘the voice’. Comrade Leng is a tall, middle-aged man from Andhra Pradesh, a colleague of the legendary and beloved singer-poet Gadar, who founded the radical cultural organisation Jan Natya Manch (JNM) in 1972. Eventually, JNM became a formal part of the PWG and in Andhra Pradesh could draw audiences numbering in the tens of thousands. Comrade Leng joined in 1977 and became a famous singer in his own right. He lived in Andhra through the worst repression, the era of ‘encounter’ killings in which friends died almost every day. He himself was picked up one night from his hospital bed, by a woman Superintendent of Police masquerading as a doctor. He was taken to the forest outside Warangal to be ‘encountered’. But luckily, Gadar got the news and managed to raise an alarm. When the PW decided to start a cultural organisation in DK in 1998, Comrade Leng was sent to head the Chetna Natya Manch. And here he is now, walking with me, for some reason wearing an olive-green shirt and purple pyjamas with pink bunnies on them. “There are 10,000 members in cnm now,” he told me. “We have 500 songs, in Hindi, Gondi, Chhattisgarhi and Halbi. We have printed a book with 140 of our songs. Everybody writes songs.” The first time I spoke to him, he sounded very grave, very single-minded. But days later, sitting around a fire, still in those pyjamas, he tells us about a very successful, mainstream Telugu film director (a friend of his) who always plays a Naxalite in his own films. “I asked him,” Comrade Leng said in his lovely Telugu-accented Hindi, “why do you think Naxalites are always like this?”—and he did a deft caricature of a crouched, high-stepping, hunted-looking man emerging from the forest with an AK-47, and left us screaming with laughter.

 
 
Happiness is taken seriously in Dandakaranya. People walk for miles, for days, to sing and dance together. This is their defiance.
 
 
I’m not sure whether I’m looking forward to the Bhumkal celebrations. I fear I’ll see traditional tribal dances stiffened by Maoist propaganda, rousing, rhetorical speeches and an obedient audience with glazed eyes. We arrive at the grounds quite late in the evening. A temporary monument, of bamboo scaffolding wrapped in red cloth, has been erected. On top, above the hammer and sickle of the Maoist Party, is the bow and arrow of the Janatana Sarkar, wrapped in silver foil. Appropriate, the hierarchy. The stage is huge, also temporary, on a sturdy scaffolding covered by a thick layer of mud plaster. Already, there are small fires scattered around the ground, people have begun to arrive and are cooking their evening meal. They’re only silhouettes in the dark. We thread our way through them (lalsalaam, lalsalaam, lalsalaam) and keep going for about 15 minutes until we re-enter the forest.

At our new campsite, we have to fall-in again. Another roll call. And then instructions about sentry positions and ‘firing arcs’—decisions about who will cover which area in the event of a police attack. RV points are fixed again.


Boy, What A Smile: Comrade Kamla, 17, wearing a pistol on her hip. Also, a miracle.

An advance party has arrived and cooked dinner already. For dessert, Kamla brings me a wild guava that she has plucked on the walk and squirrelled away for me.

From dawn, there is the sense of more and more people gathering for the day’s celebration. There’s a buzz of excitement building up. People who haven’t seen each other in a long time meet again. We can hear the sound of mikes being tested. Flags, banners, posters, buntings are going up. A poster with the pictures of the five people who were killed in Ongnaar the day we arrived has appeared.

I’m drinking tea with Comrade Narmada, Comrade Maase and Comrade Rupi. Comrade Narmada talks about the many years she worked in Gadchiroli before becoming the DK head of the Krantikari Adivasi Mahila Sangathan. Rupi and Maase have been urban activists in Andhra Pradesh and tell me about the long years of struggle by women within the party, not just for their rights, but also to make the party see that equality between men and women is seen as central to a dream of a just society. We talk about the ’70s and the stories of women within the Naxalite movement who were disillusioned by male comrades who thought themselves great revolutionaries but were hobbled by the same old patriarchy, the same old chauvinism. Maase says things have changed a lot since then, though they still have a way to go. (The party’s central committee and politburo have no women yet.)

Around noon, another PLGA contingent arrives. This one is headed by a tall, lithe, boyish-looking man. This comrade has two names—Sukhdev, and Gudsa Usendi—neither of them his. Sukhdev is the name of a very beloved comrade who was martyred. (In this war, only the dead are safe enough to use their real names.) As for Gudsa Usendi, many comrades have been Gudsa Usendi at one point or another. (A few months ago, it was Comrade Raju.) Gudsa Usendi is the name of the party’s spokesperson for Dandakaranya. So even though Sukhdev spends the rest of the trip with me, I have no idea how I’d ever find him again. I’d recognise his laugh anywhere though. He came to DK in ’88, he says, when the PWG decided to send one-third of its forces from north Telangana into DK. He’s nicely dressed, in ‘civil’ (Gondi for ‘civilian clothes’) as opposed to ‘dress’ (the Maoist ‘uniform’) and could pass off as a young executive. I ask him why no uniform. He says he’s been travelling and has just come back from the Keshkal ghats near Kanker. There are reports of 3 million tonnes of bauxite that a company called Vedanta has its eye on.

Bingo. Ten on ten for my instincts.

Sukhdev says he went there to measure the people’s temperature. To see if they were prepared to fight. “They want squads now. And guns.” He throws his head back and roars with laughter, “I told them it’s not so easy, bhai.” From the stray wisps of conversation and the ease with which he carries his AK-47, I can tell he’s also high up and hands-on PLGA.

Jungle post arrives. There’s a biscuit for me! It’s from Comrade Venu. On a tiny piece of paper, folded and refolded, he has written down the lyrics of a song he promised he would send me. Comrade Narmada smiles when she reads them. She knows this story. It goes back to the ’80s, around the time when people first began to trust the party and come to it with their problems—their ‘inner contradictions’, as Comrade Venu put it. Women were among the first to come. One evening an old lady sitting by the fire got up and sang a song for the dada log. She was a Maadiya, among whom it was customary for women to remove their blouses and remain bare-breasted after they were married.

Jumper polo intor Dada, Dakoniley
Taane tasom intor Dada, Dakoniley
Bata papam kittom Dada, Dakoniley
Duniya kadile maata Dada, Dakoniley

(They say we cannot keep our
blouses, Dada, Dakoniley
They make us take them off, Dada,
In what way have we sinned, Dada,
The world’s changed, has it not Dada)

Aatum hatteke Dada, Dakoniley
Aada nanga dantom Dada, Dakoniley
Id pisval manni Dada, Dakoniley
Mava koyaturku vehat Dada, Dakoniley

(But when we go to market Dada,
We have to go half-naked Dada,
We don’t want this life Dada,
Tell our ancestors this Dada).

This was the first women’s issue the party decided to campaign against. It had to be handled delicately, with surgical tools. In 1986, it set up the Adivasi Mahila Sangathan (AMS) which evolved into the Krantikari Adivasi Mahila Sangathan and now has 90,000 enrolled members. It could well be the largest women’s organisation in the country. (They’re all Maoists by the way, all 90,000 of them. Are they going to be ‘wiped out’? And what about the 10,000 members of CNM? Them too?) KAMS campaigns against the adivasi traditions of forced marriage and abduction. Against the custom of making menstruating women live outside the village in a hut in the forest. Against bigamy and domestic violence. It hasn’t won all its battles, but then which feminists have? For instance, in Dandakaranya, even today women are not allowed to sow seeds. In party meetings, men agree that this is unfair and ought to be done away with. But, in practice, they simply don’t allow it. So, the party decided that women would sow seeds on common land which belongs to the Janatana Sarkar. On that land, they sow seed, grow vegetables and build check dams. A half-victory, not a whole one.

 
 
In most jan adalats, at least the collective is physically present to make a decision. It’s not made by judges who’ve lost touch with ordinary life.
 
 
As police repression has grown in Bastar, the women of KAMS have become a formidable force and rally in their hundreds, sometimes thousands, to physically confront the police. The very fact that KAMS exists has radically changed traditional attitudes and eased many of the traditional forms of discrimination against women. For many young women, joining the party, in particular the PLGA, became a way of escaping the suffocation of their own society. Comrade Sushila, a senior office-bearer of KAMS talks about the Salwa Judum’s rage against KAMS women. She says one of their slogans was Hum do bibi layenge! Layenge! (We will have two wives! We will!). A lot of the rape and bestial sexual mutilation was directed at members of KAMS. Many young women who witnessed the savagery then joined the PLGA and now women make up 45 per cent of its cadre. Comrade Narmada sends for some of them and they join us in a while.

Comrade Rinki has very short hair. A bob-cut, as they say in Gondi. It’s brave of her, because here, ‘bob-cut’ means ‘Maoist’. For the police, that’s more than enough evidence to warrant summary execution. Comrade Rinki’s village, Korma, was attacked by the Naga battalion and the Salwa Judum in 2005. At that time, Rinki was part of the village militia. So were her friends Lukki and Sukki, who were also members of KAMS. After burning the village, the Naga battalion caught Lukki and Sukki and one other girl, gang-raped and killed them. “They raped them on the grass,” Rinki says, “but after it was over, there was no grass left.” It’s been years now, the Naga battalion has gone, but the police still come. “They come whenever they need women, or chickens.”


Rest Station: A Maoist ‘camp’. When they move, all that will remain is the ash from the kitchen fire.

Ajitha has a bob-cut too. The Judum came to Korseel, her village, and killed three people by drowning them in a nallah. Ajitha was with the militia and followed the Judum at a distance to a place close to the village called Paral Nar Todak. She watched them rape six women and shoot a man in his throat.

Comrade Laxmi, who is a beautiful girl with a long plait, tells me she watched the Judum burn 30 houses in her village, Jojor. “We had no weapons then,” she says, “we could do nothing but watch.” She joined the PLGA soon after. Laxmi was one of the 150 guerrillas who walked through the jungle for three-and-a-half months in 2008, to Nayagarh in Orissa, to raid a police armoury from where they captured 1,200 rifles and 2,00,000 rounds of ammunition.

Comrade Sumitra joined the PLGA in 2004, before the Salwa Judum began its rampage. She joined, she says, because she wanted to escape from home. “Women are controlled in every way,” she told me. “In our village, girls were not allowed to climb trees; if they did, they would have to pay a fine of Rs 500 or a hen. If a man hits a woman and she hits him back she has to give the village a goat. Men go off to the hills for months together to hunt. Women are not allowed to go near the kill, the best part of the meat goes to men. Women are not allowed to eat eggs.” Good reason to join a guerrilla army?

Sumitra tells the story of two of her friends, Telam Parvati and Kamla, who worked with KAMS. Telam Parvati was from Polekaya village in south Bastar. Like everyone else from there, she too watched the Salwa Judum burn her village. She then joined the PLGA and went to work in the Keshkal ghats. In 2009, she and Kamla had just finished organising the March 8 Women’s Day celebrations in the area. They were together in a little hut just outside a village called Vadgo. The police surrounded the hut at night and began to fire. Kamla fired back, but she was killed. Parvati escaped, but was found and killed the next day.

That’s what happened last year on Women’s Day. And here’s a press report from a national newspaper about Women’s Day this year:

Bastar rebels bat for women’s rights
Sahar Khan, Mail Today, Raipur, March 7, 2010

The government may have pulled out all stops to combat the Maoist menace in the country. But a section of rebels in Chhattisgarh has more pressing matters in hand than survival. With International Women’s Day around the corner, Maoists in the Bastar region of the state have called for week-long “celebrations” to advocate women’s rights. Posters were also put up in Bijapur, a part of Bastar district. The call by the self-styled champions of women’s rights has left the state police astonished. Inspector-general (IG) of Bastar, T.J. Longkumer said, “I have never seen such an appeal from the Naxalites, who believe only in violence and bloodshed.”

And then the report goes on to say:

“I think the Maoists are trying to counter our highly successful Jan Jagran Abhiyaan (mass awareness campaign). We started the ongoing campaign with an aim to win popular support for Operation Green Hunt, which was launched by the police to root out Left-wing extremists,” the IG said.

This cocktail of malice and ignorance is not unusual. Gudsa Usendi, chronicler of the party’s present, knows more about this than most people. His little computer and MP3 recorder are full of press statements, denials, corrections, party literature, lists of the dead, TV clips and audio and video material. “The worst thing about being Gudsa Usendi,” he says, “is issuing clarifications which are never published. We could bring out a thick book of our unpublished clarifications about the lies they tell about us.” He speaks without a trace of indignation, in fact, with some amusement.

“What’s the most ridiculous charge you’ve had to deny?”

He thinks back. “In 2007, we had to issue a statement saying, ‘Nahin bhai, hamne gai ko hathode se nahin mara (No brother, we did not kill the cows with a hammer).’ In 2007, the Raman Singh government announced a Gai Yojana (cow scheme), an election promise, a cow for every adivasi. One day the TV channels and newspapers reported that Naxalites had attacked a herd of cows and bludgeoned them to death—with hammers—because they were anti-Hindu, anti-BJP. You can imagine what happened. We issued a denial. Hardly anybody carried it. Later, it turned out that the man who had been given the cows to distribute was a rogue. He sold them and said we had ambushed him and killed the cows.”

And the most serious?

“Oh, there are dozens, they are running a campaign, after all. When the Salwa Judum started, the first day they attacked a village called Ambeli, burned it down and then all of them—SPOs, the Naga battalion, police—moved towards Kotrapal...you must have heard about Kotrapal? It’s a famous village, it has been burnt 22 times for refusing to surrender. When the Judum reached Kotrapal, our militia was waiting for it. They had prepared an ambush. Two SPOs died. We captured seven, the rest ran away. The next day the newspapers reported that the Naxalites had massacred poor adivasis. Some said we had killed hundreds. Even a respectable magazine like Frontline said we had killed 18 innocent adivasis. Even K. Balagopal, the human rights activist, who is usually meticulous about facts, even he said this. We sent a clarification. Nobody published it. Later, in his book, Balagopal acknowledged his mistake.... But who noticed?”


Remembering The Martyrs: Pictures of slain comrades displayed on Bhumkal Day

I asked what happened to the seven people who were captured. “The area committee called a jan adalat (people’s court). Four thousand people attended it. They listened to the whole story. Two of the SPOs were sentenced to death. Five were warned and let off. The people decided. Even with informers—which is becoming a huge problem nowadays—people listen to the case, the stories, the confessions and say, ‘Iska hum risk nahin le sakte (We’re not prepared to take the risk of trusting this person)’, or ‘Iska risk hum lenge (We are prepared to take the risk of trusting this person)’. The press always reports about informers who are killed. Never about the many who are let off. So everybody thinks it is some bloodthirsty procedure in which everybody is always killed. It’s not about revenge, it’s about survival and saving future lives.... Of course, there are problems, we’ve made terrible mistakes, we have even killed the wrong people in our ambushes thinking they were policemen, but it is not the way it’s portrayed in the media.”

The dreaded ‘People’s Courts’. How can we accept them? Or approve this form of rude justice?

On the other hand, what about ‘encounters’, fake and otherwise—the worst form of summary justice—that get policemen and soldiers bravery medals, cash awards and out-of-turn promotions from the Indian government? The more they kill, the more they are rewarded. ‘Bravehearts’, they are called, the ‘Encounter Specialists’. ‘Anti-nationals’, we are called, those of us who dare to question them. And what about the Supreme Court that brazenly admitted it did not have enough evidence to sentence Mohammed Afzal (accused in the December 2001 Parliament attack) to death, but did so anyway, because “the collective conscience of the society will only be satisfied if capital punishment is awarded to the offender”.

At least in the case of the Kotrapal jan adalat, the collective was physically present to make its own decision. It wasn’t made by judges who had lost touch with ordinary life a long time ago, presuming to speak on behalf of an absent collective.

What should the people of Kotrapal have done, I wonder? Sent for the police?

The sound of drums has become really loud. It’s Bhumkal time. We walk to the grounds. I can hardly believe my eyes. There is a sea of people, the most wild, beautiful people, dressed in the most wild, beautiful ways. The men seem to have paid much more attention to themselves than the women. They have feathered headgear and painted tattoos on their faces. Many have eye make-up and white, powdered faces. There’s lots of militia, girls in saris of breathtaking colours with rifles slung carelessly over their shoulders. There are old people, children, and red buntings arc across the sky. The sun is sharp and high. Comrade Leng speaks. And several office-holders of the various Janatana Sarkars. Comrade Niti, an extraordinary woman who has been with the party since 1997, is such a threat to the nation that in January 2007 more than 700 policemen surrounded Innar village because they heard she was there. Comrade Niti is considered to be so dangerous and is being hunted with such desperation not because she has led many ambushes (which she has), but because she is an adivasi woman who is loved by people in the village and is a real inspiration to young people. She speaks with her AK on her shoulder. (It’s a gun with a story. Almost everyone’s gun has a story: who it was snatched from, how, and by whom.)

 
 
‘Maoist-infested’. These are not careless words. Infest or infestation implies pests. Pests must be exterminated. Maoists must be wiped out.
 
 
A CNM troupe performs a play about the Bhumkal uprising. The evil white colonisers wear hats and golden straw for hair, and bully and beat adivasis to pulp—causing endless delight in the audience. Another troupe from south Gangalaur performs a play called Nitir Judum Pito (Story of the Blood Hunt). Joori translates for me. It’s the story of two old people who go looking for their daughter’s village. As they walk through the forest, they get lost because everything is burnt and unrecognisable. The Salwa Judum has even burned the drums and the musical instruments. There are no ashes because it has been raining. They cannot find their daughter. In their sorrow, the old couple starts to sing, and hearing them, the voice of their daughter sings back to them from the ruins: the sound of our village has been silenced, she sings. There’s no more pounding of rice, no more laughter by the well. No more birds, no more bleating goats. The taut string of happiness has been snapped.

Her father sings back: my beautiful daughter, don’t cry today. Everyone who is born must die. These trees around us will fall, flowers will bloom and fade, one day this world will grow old. But who are we dying for? One day our looters will learn, one day Truth will prevail, but our people will never forget you, not for thousands of years.

A few more speeches. Then the drumming and the dancing begins. Each Janatana Sarkar has its own troupe. Each troupe has prepared its own dance. They arrive one by one, with huge drums and they dance wild stories. The only character every troupe has in common is Bad Mining Man, with a helmet and dark glasses, and usually smoking a cigarette. But there’s nothing stiff, or mechanical, about their dancing. As they dance, the dust rises. The sound of drums becomes deafening. Gradually, the crowd begins to sway. And then it begins to dance. They dance in little lines of six or seven, men and women separate, with their arms around each other’s waists. Thousands of people. This is what they’ve come for. For this. Happiness is taken very seriously here, in the Dandakaranya forest. People will walk for miles, for days together to feast and sing, to put feathers in their turbans and flowers in their hair, to put their arms around each other and drink mahua and dance through the night. No one sings or dances alone. This, more than anything else, signals their defiance towards a civilisation that seeks to annihilate them.

I can’t believe all this is happening right under the noses of the police. Right in the midst of Operation Green Hunt.

At first, the PLGA comrades watch the dancers, standing aside with their guns. But then, one by one, like ducks who cannot bear to stand on the shore and watch other ducks swim, they move in and begin to dance too. Soon there are lines of olive-green dancers, swirling with all the other colours. And then, as sisters and brothers and parents and children and friends who haven’t met for months, years sometimes, encounter each other, the lines break up and re-form and the olive green is distributed among the swirling saris and flowers and drums and turbans. It surely is a People’s Army. For now, at least. And what Chairman Mao said about the guerrillas being the fish and people being the water they swim in, is, at this moment, literally true.

Chairman Mao. He’s here too. A little lonely, perhaps, but present. There’s a photograph of him, up on a red cloth screen. Marx too. And Charu Mazumdar, the founder and chief theoretician of the Naxalite Movement. His abrasive rhetoric fetishises violence, blood and martyrdom, and often employs a language so coarse as to be almost genocidal. Standing here, on Bhumkal day, I can’t help thinking that his analysis, so vital to the structure of this revolution, is so removed from its emotion and texture. When he said that only “an annihilation campaign” could produce “the new man who will defy death and be free from all thought of self-interest”—could he have imagined that this ancient people, dancing into the night, would be the ones on whose shoulders his dreams would come to rest?

It’s a great disservice to everything that is happening here that the only thing that seems to make it to the outside world is the stiff, unbending rhetoric of the ideologues of a party that has evolved from a problematic past. When Charu Mazumdar famously said, “China’s Chairman is our Chairman and China’s Path is Our Path,” he was prepared to extend it to the point where the Naxalites remained silent while General Yahya Khan committed genocide in East Pakistan (Bangladesh), because at the time, China was an ally of Pakistan. There was silence too, over the Khmer Rouge and its killing fields in Cambodia. There was silence over the egregious excesses of the Chinese and Russian revolutions. Silence over Tibet. Within the Naxalite movement too, there have been violent excesses and it’s impossible to defend much of what they’ve done. But can anything they have done compare with the sordid achievements of the Congress and the BJP in Punjab, Kashmir, Delhi, Mumbai, Gujarat.... And yet, despite these terrifying contradictions, Charu Mazumdar was a visionary in much of what he wrote and said. The party he founded (and its many splinter groups) has kept the dream of revolution real and present in India. Imagine a society without that dream. For that alone, we cannot judge him too harshly. Especially not while we swaddle ourselves with Gandhi’s pious humbug about the superiority of “the non-violent way” and his notion of trusteeship: “The rich man will be left in possession of his wealth, of which he will use what he reasonably requires for his personal needs and will act as a trustee for the remainder to be used for the good of society.”

How strange it is, though, that the contemporary tsars of the Indian Establishment—the State that crushed the Naxalites so mercilessly—should now be saying what Charu Mazumdar said so long ago: China’s Path is Our Path.

Upside Down. Inside Out.


The Damned: Villagers from the submergence area of the proposed Bodhghat dam

China’s Path has changed. China has become an imperial power now, preying on other countries, other people’s resources. But the Party is still right, only, the Party has changed its mind.

When the Party is a suitor (as it is now in Dandakaranya), wooing the people, attentive to their every need, then it genuinely is a People’s Party, its army genuinely a People’s Army. But after the Revolution how easily this love affair can turn into a bitter marriage. How easily the People’s Army can turn upon the people. Today in Dandakaranya, the Party wants to keep the bauxite in the mountain. Tomorrow, will it change its mind? But can we, should we let apprehensions about the future immobilise us in the present?

 
 
How strange that the contemporary tsars of the Indian establishment now say what Charu Mazumdar said: China’s Path is Our Path.
 
 
The dancing will go on all night. I walk back to the camp. Maase is there, awake. We chat late into the night. I give her my copy of Neruda’s Captain’s Verses (I brought it along, just in case). She asks, again and again, “What do they think of us outside? What do students say? Tell me about the women’s movement, what are the big issues now?” She asks about me, my writing. I try and give her an honest account of my chaos. Then she starts to talk about herself, how she joined the party. She tells me that her partner was killed last May, in a fake encounter. He was arrested in Nashik, and taken to Warangal to be killed. “They must have tortured him badly.” She was on her way to meet him when she heard he had been arrested. She’s been in the forest ever since. After a long silence, she tells me she was married once before, years ago. “He was killed in an encounter too,” she says, and adds with heart-breaking precision, “but in a real one.”

I lie awake on my jhilli, thinking of Maase’s protracted sadness, listening to the drums and the sounds of protracted happiness from the grounds, and thinking about Charu Mazumdar’s idea of protracted war, the central precept of the Maoist Party. This is what makes people think the Maoists’ offer to enter ‘peace talks’ is a hoax, a ploy to get breathing space to regroup, re-arm themselves and go back to waging protracted war. What is protracted war? Is it a terrible thing in itself, or does it depend on the nature of the war? What if the people here in Dandakaranya had not waged their protracted war for the last 30 years, where would they be now?

And are the Maoists the only ones who believe in protracted war? Almost from the moment India became a sovereign nation, it turned into a colonial power, annexing territory, waging war. It has never hesitated to use military interventions to address political problems—Kashmir, Hyderabad, Goa, Nagaland, Manipur, Telangana, Assam, Punjab, the Naxalite uprising in West Bengal, Bihar, Andhra Pradesh and now across the tribal areas of Central India. Tens of thousands have been killed with impunity, hundreds of thousands tortured. All of this behind the benign mask of democracy. Who have these wars been waged against? Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Communists, Dalits, Tribals and, most of all, against the poor who dare to question their lot instead of accepting the crumbs that are flung at them. It’s hard not to see that the Indian State is an essentially upper-caste Hindu State (regardless of the party in power) which harbours a reflexive hostility towards the ‘other’. One that, in true colonial fashion, sends the Nagas and Mizos to fight in Chhattisgarh, Sikhs to Kashmir, Kashmiris to Orissa, Tamilians to Assam and so on. If this isn’t protracted war, what is?

Unpleasant thoughts on a beautiful, starry night. Sukhdev is smiling to himself, his face lit by his computer screen. He’s a crazy workaholic. I ask him what’s funny. “I was thinking about the journalists who came last year for the Bhumkal celebrations. They came for a day or two. One posed with my AK, had himself photographed and then went back and called us Killing Machines or something.”

The dancing hasn’t stopped and it’s daybreak. The lines are still going, hundreds of young people still dancing. “They won’t stop,” Comrade Raju says, “not until we start packing up.”

On the grounds I run into Comrade Doctor. He’s been running a little medical camp on the edge of the dance floor. I want to kiss his fat cheeks. Why can’t he be at least 30 people instead of just one? Why can’t he be one thousand people? I ask him what it’s looking like, the health of Dandakaranya. His reply makes my blood run cold. Most of the people he has seen, he says, including those in the PLGA, have a haemoglobin count that’s between five and six (when the standard for Indian women is 11.) There’s TB caused by more than two years of chronic anaemia. Young children are suffering from Protein Energy Malnutrition Grade II, in medical terminology called Kwashiorkor. (I looked it up later. It’s a word derived from the Ga language of Coastal Ghana and means “the sickness a baby gets when the new baby comes”. Basically the old baby stops getting mother’s milk, and there’s not enough food to provide it nutrition.) “It’s an epidemic here, like in Biafra,” Comrade Doctor says, “I have worked in villages before, but I’ve never seen anything like this.”

Apart from this, there’s malaria, osteoporosis, tapeworm, severe ear and tooth infections and primary amenorrhea—which is when malnutrition during puberty causes a woman’s menstrual cycle to disappear, or never appear in the first place.

“There are no clinics in this forest apart from one or two in Gadchiroli. No doctors. No medicines.”

He’s off now, with his little team, on an eight-day trek to Abujhmad. He’s in ‘dress’ too, Comrade Doctor. So, if they find him, they’ll kill him.

Comrade Raju says that it isn’t safe for us to continue to camp here. We have to move. Leaving Bhumkal involves a lot of goodbyes spread over time.

Lal lal salaam, lal lal salaam,
Jaane wale saathiyon ko lal lal salaam

(Red Salute to departing comrades)

Phir milenge, phir milenge
Dandakaranya jungle mein phir milenge

(We’ll meet again, some day, in the Dandakaranya forest).

It’s never taken lightly, the ceremony of arrival and departure, because everybody knows that when they say “we’ll meet again” they actually mean “we may never meet again”.

Comrade Narmada, Comrade Maase and Comrade Rupi are going separate ways. Will I ever see them again?

So, once again, we walk. It’s becoming hotter every day. Kamla picks the first fruit of the tendu for me. It tastes like chikoo. I’ve become a tamarind fiend. This time we camp near a stream. Women and men take turns to bathe in batches. In the evening, Comrade Raju receives a whole packet of ‘biscuits’. News:

  • 60 people arrested in Manpur Division at the end of Jan 2010 have not yet been produced in Court.
  • Huge contingents of police have arrived in South Bastar. Indiscriminate attacks are on.
  • On Nov 8, 2009, in Kachlaram Village, Bijapur Jila, Dirko Madka (60) and Kovasi Suklu (68) were killed
  • On Nov 24, Madavi Baman (15) was killed in Pangodi village
  • On Dec 3, Madavi Budram from Korenjad also killed
  • On Dec 11, Gumiapal village, Darba Division, 7 people killed (names yet to come)
  • On Dec 15, Kotrapal village, Veko Sombar and Madavi Matti (both with KAMS) killed
  • On Dec 30, Vechapal village Poonem Pandu and Poonem Motu (father and son) killed
  • On Jan 2010 (date unknown), head of the Janatana Sarkar in Kaika village, Gangalaur, killed
  • On Jan 9, 4 people killed in Surpangooden village, Jagargonda Area
  • On Jan 10, 3 people killed in Pullem Pulladi village (no names yet)
  • On Jan 25, 7 people killed in Takilod village, Indravati Area
  • On Feb 10 (Bhumkal Day), Kumli raped and killed in Dumnaar Village, Abujhmad. She was from a village called Paiver
  • 2,000 troops of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) are camped in the Rajnandgaon forests
  • 5,000 additional BSF troops have arrived in Kanker

And then:

  • PLGA quota filled.

Some dated newspapers have arrived too. There’s a lot of press about Naxalites. One screaming headline sums up the political climate perfectly: ‘Khadedo, Maaro, Samarpan Karao (Eliminate, kill, make them surrender).’ Below that: ‘Vaarta ke liye loktantra ka dwar khula hai’ (Democracy’s door is always open for talks).’ A second says the Maoists are growing cannabis to make money. The third has an editorial saying that the area we’ve camped in and are walking through is entirely under police control.

The young Communists take the clips away to practice their reading. They walk around the camp reading the anti-Maoist articles loudly in radio-announcer voices.

New day. New place. We’re camped on the outskirts of Usir village, under huge mahua trees. The mahua has just begun to flower and is dropping its pale green blossoms like jewels on the forest floor. The air is suffused with its slightly heady smell. We’re waiting for the children from the Bhatpal school which was closed down after the Ongnaar encounter. It’s been turned into a police camp. The children have been sent home. This is also true of the schools in Nelwad, Moonjmetta, Edka, Vedomakot and Dhanora.

The Bhatpal school children don’t show up.


Bob-Cut Brigade: In Bastar, women with a bob-cut haircut can get you killed

Comrade Niti (Most Wanted) and Comrade Vinod lead us on a long walk to see the series of water-harvesting structures and irrigation ponds that have been built by the local Janatana Sarkar. Comrade Niti talks about the range of agricultural problems they have to deal with. Only 2 per cent of the land is irrigated. In Abujhmad, ploughing was unheard of until 10 years ago. In Gadchiroli on the other hand, hybrid seeds and chemical pesticides are edging their way in. “We need urgent help in the agriculture department,” Comrade Vinod says. “We need people who know about seeds, organic pesticides, permaculture. With a little help we could do a lot.”

Comrade Ramu is the farmer in charge of the Janatana Sarkar area. He proudly shows us around the fields, where they grow rice, brinjal, gongura, onions, kohlrabi. Then, with equal pride, he shows us a huge but bone-dry irrigation pond. What’s this? “This one doesn’t even have water during the rainy season. It’s dug in the wrong place,” he says, a smile wrapped around his face. “It’s not ours, it was dug by the Looti Sarkar (the government that loots).” There are two parallel systems of government here, Janatana Sarkar and Looti Sarkar.

I think of what Comrade Venu said to me: they want to crush us, not only because of the minerals, but because we are offering the world an alternative model.

It’s not an Alternative yet, this idea of Gram Swaraj with a Gun. There’s too much hunger, too much sickness here. But it has certainly created the possibilities for an alternative. Not for the whole world, not for Alaska, or New Delhi, nor even perhaps for the whole of Chhattisgarh, but for itself. For Dandakaranya. It’s the world’s best-kept secret. It has laid the foundations for an alternative to its own annihilation. It has defied history. Against the greatest odds it has forged a blueprint for its own survival. It needs help and imagination, it needs doctors, teachers, farmers.

It does not need war.

But if war is all it gets, it will fight back.

Over the next few days, I meet women who work with KAMS, various office-bearers of the Janatana Sarkars, members of the Dandakaranya Adivasi Kisan Mazdoor Sangathan (DAKMS), the families of people who had been killed, and just ordinary people trying to cope with life in these terrifying times.

 
 
Gram Swaraj with a Gun...it’s not an alternative yet. But it’s created the possibility for an alternative. Not for Alaska or New Delhi, but for itself.
 
 
I met three sisters—Sukhiari, Sukdai and Sukkali—not young, perhaps in their 40s, from Narayanpur district. They have been in KAMS for 12 years. The villagers depend on them to deal with the police. “The police come in groups of two to three hundred. They steal everything: jewellery, chickens, pigs, pots and pans, bows and arrows,” Sukkali says, “they won’t even leave a knife.” Her house in Innar has been burned twice, once by the Naga battalion and once by the CRPF Sukhiari has been arrested and jailed in Jagdalpur for seven months. “Once they took away the whole village, saying the men were all Naxals.” Sukhiari followed with all the women and children. They surrounded the police station and refused to leave until the men were freed. “Whenever they take someone away,” Sukdai says, “you have to go immediately and snatch them back. Before they write any report. Once they write in their book, it becomes very difficult.”

Sukhiari, who as a child was abducted and forcibly married to an older man (she ran away and went to live with her sister), now organises mass rallies, speaks at meetings. The men depend on her for protection. I asked her what the party means to her. “Naxalvaad ka matlab hamara parivaar (Naxalvaad means our family). When we hear of an attack, it is like our family has been hurt,” Sukhiari says.

I asked her if she knew who Mao was. She smiled shyly, “He was a leader. We’re working for his vision.”

I met Comrade Somari Gawde. Twenty years old, and she has already served a two-year jail sentence in Jagdalpur. She was in Innar village on January 8, 2007, the day that 740 policemen laid a cordon around it because they had information that Comrade Niti was there. (She was, but she had left by the time they arrived.) But the village militia, of which Somari was a member, was still there. The police opened fire at dawn. They killed two boys, Suklal Gawde and Kachroo Gota. Then they caught three others, two boys, Dusri Salam and Ranai, and Somari. Dusri and Ranai were tied up and shot. Somari was beaten within an inch of her life. The police got a tractor with a trailer and loaded the dead bodies into it. Somari was made to sit with the dead bodies and taken to Narayanpur.

 
 
Booby-traps has become a Gondi word. Everyone smiles when they hear it. They know other words too: Cordon and Search, Advance, Retreat.
 
 
I met Chamri, mother of Comrade Dilip who was shot on July 6, 2009. She says that after they killed him, the police tied her son’s body to a pole, like an animal and carried it with them. (They need to produce bodies to get their cash rewards, before someone else muscles in on the kill.) Chamri ran behind them all the way to the police station. By the time they reached, the body did not have a scrap of clothing on it. On the way, Chamri says, they left the body by the roadside while they stopped at a dhaba to have tea and biscuits. (Which they did not pay for.) Picture this mother for a moment, following her son’s corpse through the forest, stopping at a distance to wait for his murderers to finish their tea. They did not let her have her son’s body back so she could give him a proper funeral. They only let her throw a fistful of earth in the pit in which they buried the others they had killed that day. Chamri says she wants revenge. Badla ku badla. Blood for blood.

I met the elected members of the Marskola Janatana Sarkar that administers six villages. They described a police raid: they come at night, 300, 400, sometimes 1,000 of them. They lay a cordon around a village and lie in wait. At dawn they catch the first people who go out to the fields and use them as human shields to enter the village, to show them where the booby-traps are. (‘Booby-traps’ has become a Gondi word. Everybody always smiles when they say it or hear it. The forest is full of booby-traps, real and fake. Even the PLGA needs to be guided past villages.) Once the police enter a village, they loot and steal and burn houses. They come with dogs. The dogs catch those who try and run. They chase chickens and pigs and the police kill them and take them away in sacks. SPOs come along with the police. They’re the ones who know where people hide their money and jewellery. They catch people and take them away. And extract money before they release them. They always carry some extra Naxal ‘dresses’ with them in case they find someone to kill. They get money for killing Naxals, so they manufacture some. Villagers are too frightened to stay at home.


Dressed To The Nines: Adivasi boys in colourful traditional gear for Bhumkal day celebrations

In this tranquil-looking forest, life seems completely militarised now. People know words like Cordon and Search, Firing, Advance, Retreat, Down, Action! To harvest their crops, they need the PLGA to do a sentry patrol. Going to the market is a military operation. The markets are full of mukhbirs (informers) who the police have lured from their villages with money. I’m told there’s a mukhbir mohalla (informers’ colony) in Narayanpur where at least 4,000 mukhbirs stay. The men can’t go to market anymore. The women go, but they’re watched closely. If they buy even a little extra, the police accuse them of buying it for Naxals. Chemists have been instructed not to let people buy medicines except in very small quantities. Low-price rations from the Public Distribution System (PDS), sugar, rice, kerosene, are warehoused in or near police stations, making it impossible for most people to buy.

Article 2 of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines it as:

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [or] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

All the walking seems to have finally got to me. I’m tired. Kamla gets me a pot of hot water. I bathe behind a tree in the dark. But I can’t eat dinner and crawl into my bag to sleep. Comrade Raju announces that we have to move. This happens frequently, of course, but tonight it’s hard. We have been camped in an open meadow. We’d heard shelling in the distance. There are 104 of us. Once again, single file through the night. Crickets. The smell of something like lavender. It must have been past 11 when we arrived at the place where we will spend the night. An outcrop of rocks. Formation. Roll call. Someone switches on the radio. BBC says there’s been an attack on a camp of Eastern Frontier Rifles in Lalgarh, West Bengal. Sixty Maoists on motorcycles. Fourteen policemen killed. Ten missing. Weapons snatched. There’s a murmur of pleasure in the ranks. Maoist leader Kishenji is being interviewed. When will you stop this violence and come for talks? When Operation Green Hunt is called off. Any time. Tell Chidambaram we will talk. Next question: it’s dark now, you have laid landmines, reinforcements have been called in, will you attack them too? Kishenji: Yes, of course, otherwise people will beat me. There’s laughter in the ranks. Sukhdev the clarifier says, “They always say landmines. We don’t use landmines. We use IEDs.”

Another luxury suite in the thousand-star hotel. I’m feeling ill. It starts to rain. There’s a little giggling. Kamla throws a jhilli over me. What more do I need? Everyone else just rolls themselves into their jhillis.

By next morning the body count in Lalgarh has gone up to 21, 10 missing.

Comrade Raju is considerate this morning. We don’t move till evening.

One night, people are crowded like moths around a point of light. It’s Comrade Sukhdev’s tiny computer, powered by a solar panel, and they’re watching Mother India, the barrels of their rifles silhouetted against the sky. Kamla doesn’t seem interested. I ask her if she likes watching movies. “Nahin didi. Sirf ambush video (No didi. Only ambush videos).” Later, I ask Comrade Sukhdev about these ambush videos. Without batting an eyelid, he plays one for me.

It starts with shots of Dandakaranya, rivers, waterfalls, the close-up of a bare branch of a tree, a brainfever bird calling. Then suddenly a comrade is wiring up an IED, concealing it with dry leaves. A cavalcade of motorcycles is blown up. There are mutilated bodies and burning bikes. The weapons are being snatched. Three policemen, looking shell-shocked, have been tied up.

Who’s filming it? Who’s directing operations? Who’s reassuring the captured cops that they will be released if they surrender? (They were. I confirm that later.)

I know that gentle, reassuring voice. It’s Comrade Venu.

“It’s the Kudur ambush,” Comrade Sukhdev says.

He also has a video archive of burned villages, testimonies from eyewitnesses and relatives of the dead. On the singed wall of a burnt house, it says, ‘Nagaaa! Born to Kill!’ There’s footage of a little boy whose fingers were chopped off to inaugurate the Bastar chapter of Operation Green Hunt. (There’s even a TV interview with me. My study. My books. Strange.)

At night, on the radio, there’s news of another Naxal Attack. This one in Jamui, Bihar. It says 125 Maoists attacked a village and killed 10 people belonging to the Kora tribe in retaliation for giving police information that led to the death of six Maoists. Of course, we know that the media report may or may not be true. But, if it is, this one’s unforgivable. Comrade Raju and Sukhdev look distinctly uncomfortable.

The news that has been coming from Jharkhand and Bihar is disturbing. The gruesome beheading of the policeman Francis Induvar is still fresh in everyone’s mind. It’s a reminder of how easily the discipline of armed struggle can dissolve into lumpen acts of criminalised violence, or into ugly wars of identity between castes and communities and religious groups. By institutionalising injustice in the way that it does, the Indian State has turned this country into a tinderbox of massive unrest. The government is quite wrong if it thinks that by carrying out ‘targeted assassinations’ to render the CPI (Maoist) ‘headless’, it will end the violence. On the contrary, the violence will spread and intensify, and the government will have nobody to talk to.

On my last few days, we meander through the lush, beautiful Indravati valley. As we walk along a hillside, we see another line of people walking in the same direction, but on the other side of the river. I’m told they are on their way to an anti-dam meeting in Kudur village. They’re overground and unarmed. A local rally for the valley. I jump ship and join them.

 
 
The government has Koya Commandos, the CAF, CRPF, ITBP, CISF, Cobras, Scorpions. And a policy called wham: Winning Hearts and Minds.
 
 
The Bodhghat dam will submerge the entire area that we have been walking in for days. All that forest, all that history, all those stories. More than 100 villages. Is that the plan then? To drown people like rats, so that the integrated steel plant in Lohandiguda and the bauxite mine and aluminium refinery in the Keshkal ghats can have the river?

At the meeting, people who have come from miles away say the same thing we have all heard for years. We will drown, but we won’t move! They are thrilled that someone from Delhi is with them. I tell them Delhi is a cruel city that neither knows nor cares about them.

Only weeks before I came to Dandakaranya, I visited Gujarat. The Sardar Sarovar Dam has more or less reached its full height now. And almost every single thing the Narmada Bachao Andolan (NBA) predicted would happen has happened. People who were displaced have not been rehabilitated, but that goes without saying. The canals have not been built. There’s no money. So Narmada water is being diverted into the empty riverbed of the Sabarmati (which was dammed a long time ago.) Most of the water is being guzzled by cities and big industry. The downstream effects—saltwater ingress into an estuary with no river—are becoming impossible to mitigate.


The Long March: Maoists on the move in Bastar, single file as always

There was a time when believing that Big Dams were the ‘temples of modern India’ was misguided, but perhaps understandable. But today, after all that has happened, and when we know all that we do, it has to be said that Big Dams are a crime against humanity.

The Bodhghat dam was shelved in 1984 after local people protested. Who will stop it now? Who will prevent the foundation stone from being laid? Who will stop the Indravati from being stolen? Someone must.

On the last night, we camped at the base of the steep hill we would climb in the morning, to emerge on the road from where a motorcycle would pick me up. The forest has changed even since I first entered it. The chiraunji, silk-cotton and mango trees have begun to flower.

The villagers from Kudur send a huge pot of freshly-caught fish to the camp. And a list for me, of 71 kinds of fruit, vegetables, pulses and insects they get from the forest and grow in their fields, along with the market price. It’s just a list. But it’s also a map of their world.

Jungle post arrives. Two biscuits for me. A poem and a pressed flower from Comrade Narmada. A lovely letter from Maase. (Who is she? Will I ever know?)

Comrade Sukhdev asks if he can download the music from my Ipod onto his computer. We listen to a recording of Iqbal Bano singing Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s Hum Dekhenge (We will Witness the Day) at the famous concert in Lahore at the height of the repression during the Zia-ul-Haq years.

Jab ahl-e-safa-Mardud-e-haram,
Masnad pe bithaiye jayenge

(When the heretics and the reviled will be seated on high)

Sab taaj uchhale jayenge
Sab takht giraye jayenge

(All crowns will be snatched away
All thrones toppled)

Hum dekhenge

Fifty thousand people in the audience in that Pakistan begin a defiant chant: Inqilab Zindabad! Inqilab Zindabad! All these years later, that chant reverberates around this forest. Strange, the alliances that get made.

The home minister’s been issuing veiled threats to those who “erroneously offer intellectual and material support to Maoists”. Does sharing music qualify?

 
 
Does the government think that by rendering CPI (Maoist) headless, it’ll end the violence? It’ll only spread and they’ll have no one to talk to.
 
 
At dawn, I say goodbye to Comrade Madhav and Joori, to young Mangtu and all the others. Comrade Chandu has gone to organise the bikes, and will come with me to the main road. Comrade Raju isn’t coming (the climb would be hell on his knees). Comrade Niti (Most Wanted), Comrade Sukhdev, Kamla and five others will take me up the hill. As we start walking, Niti and Sukhdev casually but simultaneously unclick the safety catches of their AKs. It’s the first time I’ve seen them do that. We’re approaching the ‘Border’. “Do you know what to do if we come under fire?” Sukhdev asks casually, as though it was the most natural thing in the world.

“Yes,” I said, “immediately declare an indefinite hunger strike.”

He sat down on a rock and laughed. We climbed for about an hour. Just below the road, we sat in a rocky alcove, completely concealed, like an ambush party, listening for the sound of the bikes. When it comes, the farewell must be quick. Lal Salaam Comrades.

When I looked back, they were still there. Waving. A little knot. People who live with their dreams, while the rest of the world lives with its nightmares. Every night I think of this journey. That night sky, those forest paths. I see Comrade Kamla’s heels in her scuffed chappals, lit by the light of my torch. I know she must be on the move. Marching, not just for herself, but to keep hope alive for us all. 

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HAVE YOUR SAY
Mar 20, 2010 11:37 AM
1
Tribals should be careful of the Catholic gang of Susanha(Arundhati)Roy and Raul(Rahul) Gandhi types.They have their own vested interests.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
Mar 20, 2010 11:44 AM
2
>> "In Dantewada, the police wear plain clothes and the rebels wear uniforms. The jail superintendent is in jail. The prisoners are free (three hundred of them escaped from the old town jail two years ago). Women who have been raped are in police custody. The rapists give speeches in the bazaar."

Lewis Carroll could have written this ! We are with Alice in Wonderland. But this time it is real !
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Mar 20, 2010 12:01 PM
3
Destruction of precious forest and arable land for the so called economic progress for the benefit middle class and large corporation by displacing thousands of tribal of their ancestral land and pushing them to the fringes is definitely not a progress. Taking away ancesteral land and forest away from the Tribals with out adequate compensation (which is often the case) is not only unjust and immoral, but also violates basic human rights. Land and forest provided sustainable life and livelihood for tribals for centuries is under threat from mining activities that benefits primarily for the middle class at a huge cost to tribal way of life is definitely not a progress. Destruction of their land is suicidal for these people as the last lifeline they have left with to sustain their livelihood is snatched away the very people who are going to be affected.
Government to declare the groups fighting for a “just cause” are threat to national security is laughable. It defies all imagination and logic to claim the groups fighting the rights of “the most deprived citizens” as a threat to the security of a major military power.

To claim its own citizens as a threat to national security is not only provocative but also insulting to many fair minded people. Such loose declaration is not only irresponsible but also damaging the reputation of the nation, provocative to Tribal/Adivasi leaders and insulting to many fair minded people.

Such provocative declaration has not only enraged and resolved these groups taking their fight to a new level, further complicating the whole security scenario. Is this the quality of security advice the Government gets? How low can we get in our security assessment?

It was a ploy to use “Security threat” reasons to deny the Adivasis/Tribal “just share” of the “mineral wealth” of their land. These people have “legal rights” under the “social justice” provisions enshrined in the Indian constitution to demand:
1. Recognition of their language and distinct culture,
2. Protection from human rights abuses from security forces of India,
3. exclusive “right to negotiate” and “ right to share” on economic development and exploration of “mineral wealth” on “their land”.
4. a separate state within India so as to manage their own affairs according to their cultural practice and customs.
5. protection from any law that is detrimental to their rights and cultural practices.
6. legal protection from forced dispossession and encroachment of their land and
7. protection from - “oppressive caste culture” and “corrupt departments/institutions” that brought misery to these people.

It is the duty of the elected government of the day to fulfil their constitutional obligations to these “forgotten people” of India. These are the most effective ways to win the hearts and minds of these people and end the conflict once for all.
Rajesh
Sydney, Australia
Mar 20, 2010 12:03 PM
4
>> "We listen to a recording of Iqbal Bano singing Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s Hum Dekhenge (We will Witness the Day) at the famous concert in Lahore at the height of the repression during the Zia-ul-Haq years."

This is a powerful and arousing song sung by Iqbal Bano. I can imagine its effect when played to a group of Maoists. These people whom we know as Maoists or Naxals come across in this article as real people with hopes and fears and determination. The degree of access that Arundhati was given is remarkable.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Mar 20, 2010 12:40 PM
5
Communist fools like Ms. Arundhati Roy
make a career out of their ignorance.

What is Maoism?

How many people did Maoism kill in China?

The simple fact is this: a respect for
property rights for everyone, not just
for fatcats like Ratan Tata or the SEZ
crowd, will solve the land acquisition
issue. No one has any right to steal
the property of someone unwilling to
part with it. This applies to your
flat in Bangalore, and to the farmer
in Jharkhand and West Bengal as much.

Where on the planet earth has
Communism - or Maoism - worked?

It is a pity that disrespect for property
rights -- a fundamental principle of free
markets -- is instead viewed as capitalism.

And why do left-leaning intellectuals
and journalists never open their mouths
to talk about the land acquisitions by
the Government of India -- for its PSUs?

Hypocrisy and ignorance is bliss
for half-baked crooners like Roy.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 20, 2010 12:57 PM
6
Would Outlook -- or Arundhati --
infiltrate the Bajrang Dal or
the VHP, to probe and give a
human face and personal touch
to Hindu grievances about the
Hindu Kashmiri Pandit ethnic
cleansing, say? You tell me.

What about the apparently
casteless way in which the
Bajrang Dal organize their
cadres? What about the fact
that Babu Bajrangi expresses
distate for untouchability?
And has the Vishwa Hindu
Parishad not done commendable
work during natural disasters?

If you start, as Arundhati Roy
does here, with a clear goal
in mind: that the Maoists are
to be humanized, to be given
a human face and that we are
to feel sympathy for them, then
any group of people in the
world, no matter how thuggish
and how evil their ideology,
can be humanized just as easily.

Are you telling me that there
are no tales of heroic sacrifice
or touching comradeship among the
fighters of the Al-Qaeda? And
does that change the fact that
their ideology is an evil,
bigoted, religious fascist one?

While these shameful, perverse
sojourns with the Maoists are
only to be expected from the
extremist Left that Arundhati
represents, she, and purveyors
of this stuff should be asked
point-blank to tell us what
they know about Maoism and
about Mao's famous Red Book.

I'll wager they know nothing.

But they are content to carry
on this humanizing propaganda.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 20, 2010 01:40 PM
7
“Gandhians retorted with Guns because Gandhi taught them how to deal with ‘Slaps’ and not the ‘Snipers’.”
Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
Mar 20, 2010 01:45 PM
8
>>These people whom we know as Maoists or Naxals come across in this article as real people with hopes and fears and determination.

What a distilled idiot ! killings of dozens of civilians , policemen & their public beheading by maoists should have told you long back that the maoists indeed are real people in a real fight against the indian state.

What else can one expect from a namak haraam who funds an organisation, which in turn recruits for & pays LET to fire against Indian troops in Kashmir ?
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Mar 20, 2010 02:13 PM
9
>> These people whom we know as Maoists or Naxals come across in this article as real people with hopes and fears and determination.


Tell me: are 'these people who we know'
as Al-Qaeda and as the Taliban not 'real
people'? Do they, too, not have 'hopes',
and 'fears' -- an Islamic 'determination'?

All of what you say is utterly irrelevant
to the main point: that Maoists believe in
an ideology that's killed more than Nazism.

Don't treat Maoists like children.

Adults are responsible for the belief
systems they decide to believe in.

And if that belief system is violent
Maoism, the place for them is prison.

Safeguard property rights -- yes.
But we are not a banana republic.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 20, 2010 05:03 PM
10
These Poor illiterate isolated ethnic groups called Tribal(not Meenas of Rajasthan and the like off course) have similarities, be it of North West Pakistan or Santhals, Gonds or that of North East India. Some adventurous city lads showing utopian absurd ideology give guns to them. This weak people feels 'powered' by the guns in hand fight kill and get killed for causes not clear to them. Paki and NE-Indian tribes have started money-extortion business and soon this Maobadi(?) will be and already started joining.
I can see into the future after few years a long faced Roy is repenting for supporting a mis-directed path in the name of 'just and reasonable cause'.
In a democracy, a tribal heads these tribal, but they take away the most for themselves (go and visit interiors of North East and find out the fact - known to all but denied by the intellecticos like some interested politicos). If they are replaced by Party Rule(Communists in india or Talibans in pakistan - all the same), after the honeymoon period is over, the guards will just change the colour.
What these intellectuals(not yet bankrupt) can do is thrive for spread of productive education, control of population(Why shy away from this most important fact), built well connected roads and rails, educate them about their rights and duties and impart respect of law(A Miao government also need that).
Go ahead Roy, Without your ROMANTICISM and adventurism with the lives of uneducated(Psudo-educated also in pak) lovingly simple tribal, act for letting them take the benefit of modern developments keeping their identity and ethniciy intact. Forgive the sarcasm, for i am angry with the hypocrisy.
Soumitra Dasgupta
Kolkata, India
Mar 20, 2010 05:07 PM
11
Ms Roy says:
"On the contrary, the violence will spread and intensify, and the government will have nobody to talk to..."

only one entity can have monopoly on the means of violence. Its a simple uncomfortable fact. The present state has set up the mechanisms and countervailing institutions to manage state violence. If they don't work, they need to be made to work, because there is no other answer.

This takes decades, the lessons of hard experience. Did anyone really think that things would be perfect once the British left in 1947?

Supporting a Maoist revolution is stupid. In communist states there is no institutional check on violence - how can there be when the party is supreme. And there will be repression and violence because history always tells us revolutions turn on themselves.

What is Ms Roy's ideal. An agrarian communal state? Does she think that will happen?
MK Saini
Delhi, India
Mar 20, 2010 05:38 PM
12
A long story notable for little new except Ms Roy's story telling ability.

Basically what she is saying is that the tribals of DK do not need to learn to count beyond 20 and are best off if left alone to live as they have been for thousands of years. The use of violence to protect their way of life is also completely justified.

Ms Roy evidently suffers not only from directional but logic dyslexia too. If the world follows her foolishly romanticised path, change, the only constant, will become a bad idea, to be opposed at all costs. In short, she is effectively condemning the people whose cause she seeks to promote. She can't see the tyranny of it because she does not have to lead that life; for her the fruits of the development she condemns are available - including getting her article printed here.

Roy can pick up any group of people resisting change for any reason and write what she has written with only minor changes. One cannot shake the feeling that somewhere deep down, Roy is filled with vicious hatred.

A few months back, she had written a similar article here, "Mr Chidambaram's War". I had responded with a detailed article then. Nothing more really needs to be said now, this piece being a cleverly re-packaged version. Some might find going through what I had written then worth their while. http://vinodksharma....ndhati-roys-war.html
Vinod Sharma
New Delhi, India
Mar 20, 2010 05:54 PM
13
this is biggest joke i've ever read.. Is she trying to debate on whether maoist are terrorists ?? Well, global defination of terror says that they are, and it is so because of their actions and not reason of those actions. Now, is the entire planet is wrong and only the truth speaking lady is right??. These are not poor peasants downtrodded by mighty landlords but we are dealing with an outfit with an annual budget of 1000 crs (enough to feed poors of some villages, eh..) India wud've been another somalia or afghanistan if Indian Army wudnt have dealt with CI's and national threats with a heavy hand.. lets not sympthasize with these rebels and set an example here. Learn from countries like USA, Israel, Russia and China. They r always united against enemies of the state. My full support to out brave soldiers.
Santosh Pandey
Ahmedabad, India
Mar 20, 2010 07:36 PM
14
What will a directional dyslexic, capable of getting lost in life's objectives do? She answers it herself in article, 'Come hell or high water, I’m going to be holding on to Comrade Raju’s pallu...'
A S Raghunath
Delhi, India
Mar 20, 2010 09:44 PM
15
Sign Of our Times

"He was a candid man, the SP: “See Ma’am, frankly speaking this problem can’t be solved by us police or military. The problem with these tribals is they don’t understand greed. Unless they become greedy, there’s no hope for us. I have told my boss, remove the force and instead put a TV in every home. Everything will be automatically sorted out.”
kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
Mar 20, 2010 10:04 PM
16
An article Ms Roy MUST READ.

http://www.dawn.com/...ibly-glory-710-hh-06

Social change through democracy is possible!!!!
D. Ghosh
Kolkata, India
Mar 20, 2010 10:07 PM
17
Honestly this article is based on too much "mindless" belief in whatever they said to her.....

Where is the prove all these statements are not "revised" and "prepared" by them to fool Ms Roy????

They know very well that Ms Roy is a good writer!!
D. Ghosh
Kolkata, India
Mar 21, 2010 12:10 AM
18
There is no point pillorying Arundhati Roy.

Sh=e is a self-promoting, thoroughly trivial and malicioulsy anti-Hindu character, true.

But so what? She is entitlked to sentimentalise Pol Pot-like murderous thugs if it serves her interest.

The real culprit is the Indian ruling class and government which have so neglected the tribal areas that they have become the well-armed stronghold of a deadly threat to India.

If the Indian middle class does not wake up and compel its regime to act seriously without delay to crush the rebels and bring government to these areas, the story of India is OVER.

Period.

No wonder an open admirer of jihadi cuththroats like ANWAAR is gloating.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 21, 2010 12:53 AM
19
Karma and ED

The Hindu in Mr Mehta believes Editor is suffering for his bad karma. Arundhati's eight page sermon seems to be a desperate attempt at self flagellation, by Mr Mehta, to seek atonement for all his accumulated bad Karma since his Debanior days. It is baffling to note the evangelical fervor with which you have been lobbying for the Maoists, while bad mouthing the middle class and the corporate sector. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you Mr Mehta, its bad bad karma. Arundathi and her ilk should be banished to the luxurious thousand star suites in Dandakaranya where they can collect tendu leaves along with the tribals and "live happily ever after”. As for good karma and saving Editor, back to basics Mr Mehta, Feed some Brahmins and write some nice things about the BJP for a change.
sudharshan
madras, india
Mar 21, 2010 01:33 AM
20
I started reading this post with a mixture of hope and excitement, but ended with despair and disgust.

It's so funny that a few weeks back, Arundhati wrote in this same publication about how some Indians deny and even celebrate Hindu violence (essay was titled "listening to the grasshoppers") and she has done the same (deny naxal violence, and in fact celebrate it now). Will she please listen to the grasshoppers?

This is a classic case of double standards by Arundhati Roy. And she has written a hate speech against upper-caste Hindus.
Rahul
Delhi, India
Mar 21, 2010 02:27 AM
21
even after the secular rule of congress which apparantly works for aam admi the tribals are suffering. but then the seculars want to blame hinduism!! fact is the naxals are supported and funded by the christian missionaries.
namo4
London, United Kingdom
Mar 21, 2010 05:49 AM
22
Walking with the comrades is very apt heading for Arundhati Roy’s essay. It is objectionable to call these misguided people and their murderous leaders as Gandhians. Mahatma Gandhi once said “I am prepared to die and not prepared to kill- the subtle message: he was prepared to die to get Mother India’s freedom and not prepared to kill to get that freedom.

Again, Arundhati’s heading Walking with the comrades is very apt that she seems to be a comrade-in word and deeds- and walks with fellow comrades-birds of the same feathers flock together.

As I have said in one of my previous postings, Indian government must separate the grain from the chaffs-take care of the aggrieved people- deprived, dispossessed and untouchables- who are the grains. The chaffs are the militant and murderous leaders who have to be obliterated. Their game plan is bringing anarchy in India and they are doing the bidding for their master-China.

It is sad that the likes of Arundhati Roy are adding curry flavour to their militancy. Instead, Arundhati Roy should tell her comrades in arms to abjure violence and killing innocent people will only harm their cause.
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 21, 2010 06:20 AM
23
Revolutions, extreme behaviour etc, is caused by frustration of not being heard.
India is over excited with its new found flirtation with 'Democracy'. Democracy takes many forms and many years to achieve. American Democracy could be said to be: "The freedom to do anything, as long as you've got a good Lawyer".
Many Australians do not respect American Democracy. We prefer our own following of British Democracy.
India will take at least 100 years to show Democracy at an acceptable level. That is , acceptable to Western eyes.
You start from the most miserable level of any Nation that has attempted it, with your "CASTE' system.
Most Indians are cursed with an instinct to 'look down' and speak that way to anyone whom they think is less qualified than them.
That is one reason why we do not welcome many into Australia. Your Ethics and Morals are different to any other people Worldwide.
Peter Wignall
Bisbane, Australia
Mar 21, 2010 07:03 AM
24
Re: "And why do left-leaning intellectuals
and journalists never open their mouths
to talk about the land acquisitions by
the Government of India -- for its PSUs?"

Murtuza: given what Roy says in this very piece about the Forest Department, given her oft-expressed views that the state is no more than an "upper caste Hindu state" (which, I must say, I disagree with; and which is the sort of sloppiness that mars much of her otherwise searing and essential work; including the lumping together of Hyderabad as part of India's "colonialis[t]" course as Roy does here), and given her years-long advocacy against big dams and the land appropriation/dispossession associated with them, is it believable to you that she backs forcible land acquisition for PSUs? I must say I have heard many charges against Roy, but this is the first time I've heard anyone say she has double standards (as between private corporations and the state) when it comes to land appropriation. The notion is absurd.
Umair Muhajir
New York, United States
Mar 21, 2010 07:39 AM
25
Arundhati Roy irritates me: her tone, her smugness, her careless use of history -- specifically, her stringing of disparate events/places/phenomena as if they all amounted to the same old same old (e.g. lumping together the Indian annexation of Hyderabad as part of the country's "colonialis[t]" course, bizarre given the old order displaced by the annexation was an absolute monarchy hijacked by religious revivalists in its twilight, an old order diametrically opposed to the sort of peasant insurgency one would expect Roy to be sympathetic to -- were the Indian state not on the "other" side of the argument, that is) -- her sloppy and oft-expressed views that the Indian polity is no more than an "upper caste Hindu state", are annoying not only in themselves, but because they mar the force of her arguments, on issues that are so crucial one can ill afford slips up.

But. But. But. For the courage to talk about what (at least when it comes to what can only be called a civil war in Central India) is barely touched upon by other writers in English, and rarely without resort to the empty platitudes of those who use language not to think about the problem, but to avoid thinking about problems; and for the courage -- and this is perhaps hardest for a writer, even unknowns and aspiring writers, let alone famous ones -- to not pander to her audience, to be unafraid of being misunderstood; everything Roy writes on the plight of the Indian polity's ultimate expandables (far more so than any religious minorities, far more so than even Dalits), namely the "tribal" populations, cannot be missed.
Umair Muhajir
New York, United States
Mar 21, 2010 11:59 AM
26
Very Strange . Paid News of India keep on carrying Roy's visit Mao area one day and Kashmir other day. Both cases she visits and justifies anti national and anti social elements. How come she never visits poor securityment/policemens family who die for the sake of our country? How come our paid news of India do not cover them?
satish mayya
dubai, United Arab Emirates
Mar 21, 2010 12:03 PM
27
By the way, A true picture of what Arundhati Roy's deeds can be found in this article - must read -
http://www.fakingnew...-pifw-gets-underway/
Rahul
Delhi, India
Mar 21, 2010 01:05 PM
28
Umair,

>> "For the courage to talk about what.... is barely touched upon by other writers in English, and rarely without resort to the empty platitudes; and for the courage....to not pander to her audience..."

I agree. While I am all for putting down an armed insurrection with force if necessary, the people who take up arms and their issues are of interest to us. Arundhati does not pretend to be an objective reporter. She is not a journalist or a historian. She is a partisan polemicist with a literary flair. Over the past several years she has given voice to several groups whose voices were blocked from reaching us. She may be annoying, but we are better off because of our Arundhatis.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Mar 21, 2010 01:52 PM
29
Mind you she will not visit the Catholic state of Mizoram,from where Hindu trbals have been driven out.Why does she not write on the rampant sexuality and child abuse in the Catholic churches of Kerala?Every movement of the types of Arundhati,Teesta,Shabana and a host of others is against the Hindu soceity and surprisingly an intelligent man like Vinod Mehta cannot see that.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
Mar 21, 2010 05:27 PM
30
Peter Wignall, show some modesty.Yes many of us Indians have treated some fellow Indians horribly but unlike you fellows we have not exterminated a whole race and their culture and stolen their land like you fellows have almosted succedded in doing with the poor aborogines. There are many many admirable qualites about the Australians, but modesty is surely not one of them.
Harish
london, United Kingdom
Mar 21, 2010 06:34 PM
31
Since the time pre-historic man started to organise themselves in social units - possibly clans to begin with - force has always been one of the binders of socety in all it's organised phases culminating in modern sophisticated state in it's many ideological hues - communism , capitalism, dictatorship or crass monarchies.

But the modern sophisticated Western state has fine-tuned the art of hiding the iron-fist with velvet gloves & they are humongous social success stories for that .

But the Indian state - despite bragging about our coming of age with technology & high rate of GDP - has remained basically feudal in mind-set or rapacity of it's ruling elite. It's bereft any degree of sophistication in covering up the iron with velvet. It's inevitable that if there is bauxite or hematite or diamond to be found they will be exploited & rightly so. It's futile to try to stop exploiting national resouces to convert them into liquid wealth. Question to be asked is how to go about it & what resdistributive mechanism has been put in place for the wealth to benifit bottom layer of social strata.

Ms. Arundahti Roy has failed in her duty as keeper of the soceital consciensce in as much as she blindly romanticised the Maoists even if we assume they are sincere about welfare of the tribals, which I believe they are not; they are in a way another set exploiters of primitive tribals who has not learned to fight for their rights as acknowledged by this same state itself. But Maoist's ways are sure prescription for the tribals to be annahilated for howsoever cunning & wily the Maoists are, the state will win fianlly. And without converting those hematite into iron or bauxite in to aluminium overall loosres are we Indians. True a handful will be disproportinately richer than the average. But that is the way it is. Look the Salwa Judum has been has been declared illegal by the Supreme Court - an arm of the same state. In that sense an Himangsu Kumar or Binayak Sen are more relevent in tribals to fight for their rights than atrophied ramanticism of Ms. Roy. The thing to do is to see to that tribals get fair share of the wealth that's hidden under their habitat & not to take up arm which in ultimate analysis will be counter-productive. It's not for nothing the ruling elite is railing against the civil soceity , becuase civil soceity has in some measure been successful in creating an atmosphere of restraint.

I had been an admirer of Arundhati when she took on the dam-builders. Because dams are unscientific , wasteful, not serve the any purpose they are supposed to achieve & do not contribute to national wealth. By now it has been proved so. Her arguments against dams had been scientific, logical, factual which were put forth with unimpeachable argumants.

On Kashmir or Maoists, Arundhati at best been hopelessly naive & impractcal romantist. What's more she is no help for the tribals. She is one notch down in intellectual prowess . That's a shame.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
Mar 21, 2010 09:15 PM
32
>>>new hardware that has been bought from Israel: laser range-finders, thermal imaging equipment and unmanned drones, so popular with the US army.

Of course India should buy weapons from Israel. Or should India buy rockets that don't even work from Palestinians ? India also buys weapons from the US, and from Russia. This is all as it should be. Any and all weapons are ok to deploy against Marxist rebels who have straightforwardly declared their intention to topple the state. Of course civilians, in this case the tribals who are caught in the conflict, should be protected as much as possible.
SreekanthBoston
Boston, United States
Mar 21, 2010 10:41 PM
33
After reading Peter Wignell's comment, I could not resist the urge to write a few lines on his views which are a 1950s view of the world by Australians. Australia was settled by British prisoners, mainly uneducated criminals from the lower strata of British society, those with cockney accent. Australian accent bears testimony to this fact. Australia in the main is a white Anglo Saxon Protestant population in the main, fearful of Catholics, Muslims and Hindus. Unlike democratic India which has had countless non Hindus as Presidents and Governor's, Australians are fearful of electing a Catholic let alone a Hindu or Muslim. It is a lazy population of 20 million people sitting on rich resources which were plundered from the aborigines and now they have the gall to talk down Indians and Hindus. India may not be rich, but people of all caste and creed live in peace. No doubt there are clashes due a billion people landlocked in a land a 4th the size of Australia.
Ram
Minneapolis, United States
Mar 21, 2010 11:48 PM
34
The Prime Minister's declaration that the Maoists/naxalites are the single most serious threat to internal security is simply condemnable. And on the same cue, India's Home Minister has gone miles ahead to say they are worse than the Talibans. Do they know the meaning of these descriptions? significance of these two descriptions of the Maoists and naxalites defies ordinary sense of the common man. The country has never heard such outlandish uttarences from the high pulpit when dalits and tribals were massacred in many parts of the country over decades in 70s, 80s, 90s and there has not been an end to it. The killers have gone scot free and the victims received no protection of law, not to speak of justice. So, Arundhati Roy is correct to say that rape victims are in jails and the rapists were giving lectures in the bazar. It's no imagination.

The country's development has not benefited the lowest rung of the society. Nor were they the target of development. It only substantiates the old cliche: the rich and got richer and the poor poorer since independence, fuelling frustration, anger etc. Construction of road, mining, industrialization, technological revolution etc. are making the rich, powerful and privileged more invincible. The PM and HM, unmistakably have been speaking on their behalf only deploying the state forces for safeguarding their interests. The poor, mostly the tribal and dalit communities without education live in abyss of misfortunes.

Peter Wignall from Bisbane, Australia has diagnosed Indian outlook appropriately, "You start from the most miserable level of any Nation that has attempted it, with your "CASTE' system. Most Indians are cursed with an instinct to 'look down' and speak that way to anyone whom they think is less qualified than them. That is one reason why we do not welcome many into Australia."

The government of India could be blamed for all out war against the tribals arising out of the feelings of superiority that marks the supremacists. In any case, whether many agree or not the result will be ultimately too bloody to comprehend with equaminity of mind.
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
Mar 22, 2010 04:58 AM
35
It is great to have somebody like Arundhati Roy. She gives voice to the voiceless, and always questions the government. We Indians need to be self-critical and inclusive of everyone when we shape our country's institutions. Every person should be able to voice freely what he feels, and especially report on the injustices around without fear.

That said, I think Ms. Roy provides no alternatives. We simply cannot have a civil war in India. This is unthinkable, the Maoists cannot continue with their guns and goonda-raj. And it is equally improbable that the tribals shall continue with their medieval practices in 21st century, living in the forest and competing with endangered fauna and flora on nature's resources. India's population is exploding and the only way to provide decent health, education and living conditions for everyone is through common agreement and the rule of law.

How can the tribals be protected in this affair ? How can we prevent outsiders (either Naxals / police / politicians) from taking advantage of their ignorance. We need fresh ideas. How about providing rich cellular access to all the forests and providing cellphones for every tribal person, so that they are digitally connected to the net at a high broadband speed. This is not impossible to achieve - it will take only a small portion of the money that the government is spending on the anti-naxal army operations. And it will achieve the objectives of our Indian constitution without spilling any blood uselessly !!
Kiran
grenoble, France
Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM
36
First & foremost, any maoist (naxal) sympathizer should also be treated as "them". If Arundhati Roy is given a choice, she can turn India around similar to how the Left turned around Bengal with their rule. She will criticize anything & everything. Just like corporates look for new business avenues, human rights & the likes of arundhati roy look for new support base. So if you plot new business / infrastructure development projects and roy's support/involvement, there will be very string correlation. Effectively, wherever, you find roy;s & the likes involvements, that area instead of showing any development, has till date never been developed.
I agree, there would have been neglect by the govt towards the tribals, ths does not justify to go against the state.You cannot become a terrorist. Tomorrow, I lose my job, and I target my employer. Tomorrow, if the govt does not do anything for me, then it does not justify me to pick up the gun & go against the state. You need to have some foresight & rule of law. What the tribals are not realizing, once they go against the state, they are providing emplyment opportunities only to the human rights activists & the likes; they write articles, they criticize the govt, they file cases against the govt & in turn get huge donations from people who think they've just done a "Good Deed" for the day. Not realizing that the conditions of the tribals will only go from bad to worse.. Yes definitely a great internal security threat, but I guess our Home Minister needs to also concentrate on how to deal with a bigger security threat - not the terrorists, not the maoists, not the naxals, not the politicians who talk of divisive politics - but the likes of arundhati roy & her likes of human rights activists... Save the country from such people.
shashank
Gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 01:01 PM
37
Many of the readers who’ve sent their comments seem to be picking on the writer, and missing the larger point -- the poor, the tribal population, adivasis, the dalits and other marginalised people are ones who are bearing the entire brunt of the nation's economic march and development. Implicit in their criticism of Ms. Roy and her style of writing is the notion that our way of life is superior. All subsequent arguments stem from this belief. To dismiss Ms. Roy’s writing accusing it of being romantic is being naïve – and dishonest.
sajosam
new delhi`, India
Mar 22, 2010 02:17 PM
38
If in the name of climate change, we say we want to conserve our environment, everybody rallies around. We rally around all concepts that are western.

If the tribes want to conserve their heritage and refuse to let their home be exploited, why do we call them anti-national. Isn't democracy about listening to what the tribes, the original inhabitants of that place, want? Isn't their cause a green cause too?

Of course, the tiff between the tribes and the government has taken an ugly turn. Who's to blame for that? Of course the government, for it is they who handled the issue callously at the start.

The government failed here. They failed in Kashmir. They fail whenever someone refuses to fall in line. What kind of a democaracy are we when we cannot handle anyone who doesn't want to fall in line?
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 02:44 PM
39
The article minus opinions is excellent journalism - to see journalists take the effort of humanizing and bringing into context people engaged with society (eitherways) is really refreshing. Its easy to paint things black and while, but the shades of grey that dominate the lives of the tribals are a really interesting read. The prose with which she is able to weave together the tale makes compelling reading.

The pictures also provide an interesting angle to the story and brings the characters to life. Great effort and results.

However, her interpretations are naive and superfluous. That this is a playout of another Avatar is really a gross simplification.

The author romanticizes the lives of the villagers/ tribals/ adivasis/ (whatever labels) - however, the low hemoglobin counts, high TB rates, occurrence of malnutrition, low education, terrible access to health care/ education/ etc. are best experienced from the outside. While the Vedanta plant will degrade the environment for sure, the net improvement of human development in this area could balance out the evils.

I really wouldve appreciated a more balanced story - including deeper questions like if they are truly this popular, why havent they gotten themselves elected? And change from within.

Finally, distinguish the people from the purpose they sign onto. The govt. of india - am certain - has no reason to destroy any lives, if they are not inimical to general society. While they are interesting people (as against demonized inhumans that the rest of the press makes them out to be), the path they've chosen would ensure that they dont get taken seriously.

People who live by the sword die by the sword, regardless of the issue they face.
Yo Man
gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 03:11 PM
40
Democracy is not just the right to vote. It's the right to be heard. It's the right to not be exploited. If the babus up there in the government make laws during a posting that they never wanted, which do not take into account the ground level realities, why should those affected adversely comply? They must revolt. Revolt, they did.

We all know of corrupt netas and babus in the country. If you think that the way to fight them is to join the government, you are living in a romantic world. In reality, you need people who can take the fight to them directly. On their turf.

The people power has to become more prominent in this country if the government has to be made accountable. We need more uprisings like this one.

We need more articles like this one to show how the governments have messed up.

Of course, a shorter summary of the essay needs to be published because I doubt many would have read the whole thing. Most people commenting here must have arrived at an opinion on the first indication of the tilt the writer seemed to be taking.
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 03:23 PM
41
No other society in the world has done so much in a period of sixty years to ameliorate the condition of the weaker sections among them as the society in free India. It is also an ongoing process. There is bound to be still considerable disparities and it exists not because of a lack of will to set it off but because of the massive accumulated discrimination they had undergone during the last one thousand years when the entire Indian society was under alien rulers with different cultural and religious values.
But the impression one gets from the views of some of the do-gooders is that these disparities have arisen because of the ‘criminal’ negligence of the so called upper crust of the society after independence. Such views as a matter of fact comes from the religious descendents of those who ruled this society and who did not so much as lift their little fingers to help them out except perhaps directing them to a different route for salvation in the upper air and as a result some of them have become a permanent nuisance to the rest.
There is other wise no explanation for the relentless calumny that the ills of the Indian society is rooted in the cultural and religious ethos of this nation. We hear them comparing the condition of ‘tribal’ to the condition of the natives who suffered elsewhere under the white man. Leave alone the fact that it took more than 100 years for a full blooded black Christian slave to get recognized as ‘non-slave ’ and then more than another 100 years for him to get noticed as something ‘resembling’ a human being, and it happened not under any kingdom or theocracy but in a ‘Christian’ democracy , the condition of the natives in the U.S who were even denied the right to identify as American but designated as ‘ Indian’ was even more miserable with endless indignities and cruelties heaped up on them in the name of a ‘loving ‘ god. Here is a small sample of it:
http://www.stumbleup...all_prefer_to_forget
One need not doubt the credibility of it; it is same website which also prints articles by Arundhati Roy. Yet there is difference. It also publishes articles of the sort below:
http://www.alternet....ning_war?page=entire
It is about how the “tribal” in Burma fighting against their oppressors as they do in India. But they are honest people because they have no hesitation in claiming that they are fighting for the cause of Thy Kingdom. And for whose cause does Arundhati Roy fight?
c p narendran
nagpur, india
Mar 22, 2010 03:43 PM
42
Comment 37 Shashank: "Yes definitely a great internal security threat, but I guess our Home Minister needs to also concentrate on how to deal with a bigger security threat - not the terrorists, not the maoists, not the naxals, not the politicians who talk of divisive politics - but the likes of arundhati roy & her likes of human rights activists... Save the country from such people"

The greatest threat to India has been the CASTE CULTURE and ENDEMIC CORRUPTION that infects the political and democratic institutions that brought misery to the Tribal/Adivasis.

Is it about 'national security" or about "mineral wealth" hidden under "tribal land"? Is the Government using "national security" as a ploy to deny the Tribals/Adivasis their "fair share" of mineral wealth and divert the benefits primarily to the middle class and large corporations.
Rajesh
Sydney, Australia
Mar 22, 2010 04:08 PM
43
First and foremost, allow me to commend the tone and content of the various posters on this article.

This is true democracy and considered debate in action.

That said, I can add from my personal experience of having lived in the area now called Sonebhadra district of Uttar Pradesh in late 1980's-the land of Rihand dam, Singrauli coal fields, and the numerous thermal power plants- the experience of the local population of the outsider is colonial and every bit as tragic as portrayed by Arundhati.

To my eyes, the 'development' going on through building of power plants and the 'colonies' for the those coming to work in the power plants was just the same as by British in India-they built Railways and other things to serve their needs, well provided colonies, clubs and 'cilvil lines'for themselves to live in, separated from the wretched lives of the locals just outside their colony gates.

The women folk of the locals were sex toys for the 'contractors' and their workers from outside.

The produce and earnings from them of coal, power etc. made by the 'contractors' all going to be utilised by them in their native towns.

Very very colonial.

But very very unavoidable. The path of joining the 'modern mainstream' is perforce through this trajectory and perhaps the most benign of the alternatives.

As India has outgrown colonial rule, so has democracy and elections allowed these areas to grow their own political leadership and would (hopefully) reclaim their ownership of the land and it's produce for greater betterment of the 'locals'.

Even the 'militants' provided their bit in the Indian experience of overthrrowing colonial rulers.

But,the alternative model outlined with such farcically partisan polemics by Arundhati is dangerously sepia toning the cruel, abusive and vicious theory of Maoism and tarring the experience of India with her pet hates in blind strokes.
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Mar 22, 2010 05:25 PM
44
The article is full of government and judiciary bashing and full of praise for the Maoists. She has every right to criticize the government policies which led to the ever increasing reach of Naxalism. What is most baffling is that she has not devoted a single line in condemning the killings of policemen and civilians. A massacre in which about 100 policemen were killed by the Maoists has full details of the events and planning of the massacre but she finds no wrongs in this heinous act of the Maoists.
Jan adalats have been also praised and every move of the government, media, and judiciary has been lambasted. This is nothing but a complete glorification of the violence unleashed by the Maoists with innocent tribals merely being used as a shield. There is no denying the fact that naxalism is mainly a government created monster on account of the continuous neglect of the particular region. Now that the Maoists have taken control and have free access of cash and guns they will continue to make this problem continue to linger.
If the brutal force of State is to be condemned then we must also condemn the violence and mindless killings executed by the Maoists. Unfortunately in India all the so called intellectuals love to express views which can be by swimming against the tide. It would be better if Arundhati Rou permanently shifts from Delhi to Dantewada jungles.
Sanjeev Kumar Verma
New Delhi, India
Mar 22, 2010 05:51 PM
45
While Roy's writing is interesting, she fails to offer any viable alternative to solving the issues faced by these people. It is true that tribal explitation has been rampant in India and these regions are some of the most underdeveloped in the country. But the question that must be asked is whether by taking up an armed struggle, whose purpose is to topple the state, haven't these people ensured that doctors run away from clinics in these areas, government officals are scared to do their job and teachers are not prepared to attend school. Is it Roy's case that tribals do not need access to education and health and they are happy to live off the forest? A majority of India's popoluation, however distressed we might feel by the efforts our Government, is part of the mainstream because we know that it benefits us personally and as a society. Sadly the tribal people know nothing better and their leaders have vested interests in ensuring that developmental efforts do not reach these areas. Instead of romanticising the tribal dream, people like Roy should work with the tribals to develop a way of life for these people so that they can become a part of modern India, albeit by keeping close to their land and their way of life. And unless Roy can offer these solutions, I do not think it is right to crticise the Government. In any country there is no justification for waging a civil war and killing innocent people (including cops) because that by its very nature is undemocratic.
Divya
London, United Kingdom
Mar 22, 2010 06:55 PM
46
Those bashing Arundhati Roy,

She's recounting her experience of her visit. Since she interacted with the Maoists, she is presenting their side of the story. For me, it was an interesting read as it presented a side to these people that no one else presents.

Instead of bashing Roy because she is presenting a different view than what you people hold, you may want to try and put yourself in the shoes of these people. What would you have done if you were a tribal doing the only thing you know how to do in the only place you know exists and the government drives you away from there because it has conceived up fancy plans to exploit that area? Who would you turn to?

Surprisingly, it is more difficult in India to touch a tiger belt than a tribal belt. There seems to be greater urban sympathy towards animals in India than to the poor and deprived sections of our society.

What arundhati has done is to present their story. I doubt if many would have read the complete story. Please read it and empathize with these people who are suffering and have no one to turn to because their enemy is the government.
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 07:25 PM
47
"hold, you may want to try and put yourself in the shoes of these people. What would you have done if you were a tribal.."

You are making the assumption that these 'tribals' are the ones indulging in all the violence, and the reason is the one you are alluding to. But most of this violence is purely ideological, designed with the idea of overthrowing the state, at least in the countryside. And establishing a Maoist/Naxal dictatorship, which will be far, far worse than anything the Indian government is doing now. Think of the Khmer Rouge.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Mar 22, 2010 09:27 PM
48
Sanjay:


Anyone who believes in freedom should
denounce mass lands acquisition by the
government or by private corporations.

The point is simple: if you believe in
property rights consistently -- which
is a basic principle of free-market
capitalism -- land acquisition is a no.

The problem is that communist lunatics
and fools like Arundhati Roy are good
observers -- though she observes only
selectively here -- but only very poor
solution-providers. In no country on
earth has communism given the regular
citizen any more freedom or security.

Left-wing ideologues are blind to this.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 22, 2010 09:40 PM
49
'Anwaar':

>> the people who take up arms and their issues are of interest to us. .... Over the past several years she has given voice to several groups whose voices were blocked from reaching us


I doubt very much if you would be
so generous when it came to the
thugs and goons from the other
end of the political spectrum --
the Bajrangis and the Shiv Sainiks.

When one talks of 'legitimate root
causes' or of 'grievances' why is
it that only left-wing terrorists
and Islamists are given so much
compassion and understanding? Any
fool could make a case that since
Kashmiri Pandits were ethnically
cleansed in 1990, this catalyzed
Hindu anger for demolishing the
Babri Masjid. Further, the fact
that over 900 Hindu temples were
destroyed in Pakistan in 1992 has
escaped our attention entirely.

A dominance of left-wing perspectives
in the Indian media feeds a backlash.

We need to solve problems, not
provoke clashes and backlashes.

>> She is a partisan polemicist

She is worse than a polemicist. She
lives in a world of her own, a black-
and-white world where good and evil
clash according to her predetermined
communist leanings. Take 'literary
flair' out of it and this piece could
have been lifted from any commie rag.

As for Maoists being 'real people',
I was not aware that Al-Qaeda are
anything except Homo Sapiens as well.

Adults are responsible for their actions.

This piece treats them like some real-
world, innocent, childlike Mao's Na'avi.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 22, 2010 09:55 PM
50
Umair:

>>to not pander to her audience

If anything, she knows how to pander to her audience of India-haters. Witness her rhetoric is no different from Hafiz Saeed. Take away the literary flair, and what is she saying?

Apart from what you correctly identified, her comments about the Indian State being an essentially upper-caste Hindu State is nothing else but pandering. And as Murtuza Polen so correctly identifies, even Hindutva and Al Qaeda type ideologies could also be similarly romanticised humanised and presented with real or perceived grievances.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Mar 22, 2010 10:21 PM
51
I read the whole article in one sitting. I think the greatest service Roy has done to Tribals is not only that she has given them a voice but put a face on them. In any case of planned g-e-n-o-c-i-d-e/e-t-h-n-i-c c-l-e-a-n-s-i-n-g the first step is to dehumanise the population. She has reversed that process. She has given them names and faces. Now, the video-game generation can not simply demand the "e-x-t-e-r-m-i-n-a-t-i-o-n" of the "v-e-r-m-i-n-s". These are people like us. The point for contemplation is that what have Mangtu/Nirmala/Venu suffered in the last 50-60 years of Independent India that they are ready to fight one of biggest and most sophisticated army of the world with only knives/front loading rifles ?
kishoredasmunshi
Kolkatta, India
Mar 22, 2010 10:57 PM
52
Murtuza,

>> When one talks of 'legitimate root
causes' or of 'grievances' why is
it that only left-wing terrorists
and Islamists are given so much
compassion and understanding?

I was not talking of "root causes". All I said was that if a group of people rise in militancy, we are interested to know what their issues are. Arundhati has given us perspectives on tribals that very few others can. That does not of course mean that I support armed insurrections.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Mar 22, 2010 11:28 PM
53
Murtaza,

She did not write this piece to find a solution. She wrote it to bring a necessary perspective that has been missed completely by observers. Personal bashing of Roy is absolutely uncalled for.

You say, we need to solve problems, not provoke clashes and backlashes.

The big point you miss here is this:

You cannot solve problems if you overlook the very reason that caused the problem. When the problem solvers are themselves the reason for the problem, they will never be able to solve it. You think America will solve Afghanistan and Al Qaeda? Never.

And yes the Maoists exist because they have strong ground level support. They cannot exist otherwise. If you think that the issue here is the Maoists, you are missing the point completely. Take care of the ground level issues and the Maoists will disappear. But is anyone really interested to address the real issue?
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 22, 2010 11:32 PM
54
'Anwaar':

>> I was not talking of "root causes".

I wasn't referring specifically to you.

But you know very well that this is a
big problem in the left-wing circles
you inhabit. To a lesser degree, this
is also reflected in the CAIR debate:
you talked about 'supporting underdogs'
as the reason for glossing over CAIR.

The Left-Islamist alliance will bear
no fruit. Are Muslims courted by the
criminal but left-wing populist likes
of George Galloway likely to adopt any
traditional hard-left positions? Do
they even support gay marriage, say?
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 22, 2010 11:34 PM
55
[I doubt very much if you would be
so generous when it came to the
thugs and goons from the other
end of the political spectrum --
the Bajrangis and the Shiv Sainiks.]

Now you are being unfair - Of course he would support them - just as long as extremists try to destroy the Indian state or collaborate with enemy states/terror groups or perhaps attack Indian soldiers - he would certainly support them.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Mar 22, 2010 11:41 PM
56
Sanjay:

>> Personal bashing of Roy is absolutely uncalled for.


That's your view.

When an arrogant, black-and-white
hard-leftist publishes long, one-
sided Maoist apologias, then surely
I can call her out on her stupidity.

>> The big point you miss here is this: You cannot solve problems if you overlook the very reason that caused the problem.

Please elaborate. I have said that
all mass land acquisition is just
not acceptable -- not according to
Mao's Red Book (ironically, in
Mao's China probably more people
were land-uprooted than at any
other time in human history) --
but according to property rights.

So, yes, tribal anger is justified.


>> When the problem solvers are themselves the reason for the problem, they will never be able to solve it. You think America will solve Afghanistan and Al Qaeda? Never.

I don't think the Afghan war can be won.
I don't think the U.S. should ever waste
its blood and treasure on nation-building.
I support non-interventionism and Ron Paul.

You have not defended your apparent hero
Roy at all. You're just deflecting here.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 22, 2010 11:59 PM
57
You have your focus wrongly placed on the writer rather than on the message she is giving out. I am not here to defend the writer, you may be here to bash her though.

As I mentioned in my last post, you are wrong if you think the issue here is the Maoists. There are people who want you to believe that because they do not want to address the real issue. They know that the Maoists will disappear if they can take care of the real ground level issues. But even then they do not want to address the real issues. They are happy to keep the focus on the Maoists.

Open your mind and look at the real issues. Read the essay with an unbiased mind. Don't worry about who wrote it.
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 23, 2010 12:07 AM
58
Sanjay:

>> you are wrong if you think the issue here is the Maoists. There are people who want you to believe that because they do not want to address the real issue. They know that the Maoists will disappear if they can take care of the real ground level issues. But even then they do not want to address the real issues. They are happy to keep the focus on the Maoists.


Would you please explain to me what
you are talking about? Who are 'the
people who want me to believe...'?

I have said that I oppose all land
acquisition. That is one solution.
I think it will solve the problem.

None of this changes the fact that
Arundhati Roy is a far-left maniac.
And I'm sorry, but I kind of like
to keep in mind authorship when I
read stuff; helps with credibility.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 23, 2010 12:15 AM
59
Mass acquisition is actually not needed
for rural roads. Two-laning hardly uses
any of the space of huge farmlands --
the trick is to make sure that it is
large farmers whose land is partially
used, who can be compensated. When you
are dealing with subsistence farmers,
they have no means of using the meager
compensation given to them when their
entire tiny fields are acquired for the
building of dams or of factories. For
power generation there are new means
every day. For water, 1000s of check
dams work perfectly. The problem comes
with large factories in rural areas,
and, more recently, with SEZs. As far
as possible, property rights must be
fought for, against mass acquisitions.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 23, 2010 12:46 AM
60
If any of Arundhati's pieces ever
exposed her for the contemptible
communist that she is, here's the
choicest extracts from above --


>> Charu Mazumdar was a visionary in much of what he wrote and said. The party
he founded (and its many splinter groups) has kept the dream of revolution real
and present in India. Imagine a society without that dream. For that alone, we
cannot judge him too harshly. Especially not while we swaddle ourselves with
Gandhi’s pious humbug about the superiority of “the non-violent way” and his
notion of trusteeship: “The rich man will be left in possession of his wealth,
of which he will use what he reasonably requires for his personal needs and will
act as a trustee for the remainder to be used for the good of society.”


"The Dream of Revolution"? What
is this dream? What is its goal?
A communist state, a totalitarian
state where everyone does as the
party says, and individual wealth
earned through honest hard work
and self-improvement is useless.

Some "revolution".

Well, Arundhati, you and Charu
can keep you precious Revolution.

Better still, head to one of the
revolutionized states -- Cuba or
China or North Korea, and see how
much free speech you enjoy there.

The fact is that freedom is one
whole entity. Economic, political
and religious freedom all should be
components of a truly free society.


>> China’s Path has changed. China has become an imperial power now, preying on
other countries, other people’s resources. But the Party is still right, only,
the Party has changed its mind.


So, as long as China simply killed
tens of millions of its own people
in Mao's Cultural Revolution and
Great Leap Forward, things were ok?
Only when it becomes externally
aggressive is there a problem?


>> When the Party is a suitor, wooing the people,
attentive to their every need, then it genuinely is a People’s Party, its army
genuinely a People’s Army. But after the Revolution how easily this love affair
can turn into a bitter marriage.


This is so perverse and so nonsensical
-- the idea that you, as a free person,
submit your individuality and your own
control and personality to a 'party',
of whom you become a cogwheel, and a
grateful apparatchik. No individual
freedom. All hail the Dear Leader,
who 'woos' us, and who is 'attentive
to our every need'. Am I the only one
to see that theocracies and communist
states have something eerily in common?

And 'bitter marriage'? What do you
expect when you kill private enterprise
and set up a giant bureaucracy to run
everyone's life and control the people?

Fact:

No communist state ever respected rights.


>> It’s hard not to see that the Indian State is an essentially upper-caste Hindu
State (regardless of the party in power) which harbours a reflexive hostility
towards the ‘other’.


And how does the fool Arundhati reconcile
this black-and-white thesis with the '90
ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pandits?
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 23, 2010 01:02 AM
61
>> >> It’s hard not to see that the Indian State is an essentially upper-caste Hindu State (regardless of the party in power) which harbours a reflexive hostility towards the ‘other’.

>> And how does the fool Arundhati reconcile this black-and-white thesis with the '90 ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pandits?

That’s like asking how do you reconcile the fact that a dalit is CM of UP and the fact that dalits are poor/backward/suffering.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 01:20 AM
62
Kumar:

You're missing the point.

The 'Hindu state' was complicit
in the Pandit ethnic cleansing.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 23, 2010 05:17 AM
63
roy loves herself and her own writeings.

nothing she writes makes sense-but she gets it published.
no one understands what she writes- its flowery language,
and opinions designed to shock her audience.

absolute balderdash.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:34 AM
64
The anger seen here against Arundhati , is exemplar of the middle class' intolerance to any opposition to its notions of "development", "progress" or nationhood.
Varun Garde
Bengaluru, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:43 AM
65
According to Roy When a Maoist speaks it becomes a "lovely Telugu accented Hindi", but when a police man speak that would naturally be in "crude, repulsive, accented Hindi"!! Ms Roy always support the "weak" side in a conflict, the notions of "who is correct/who is wrong" is absent from her black&white brain. The way Roy idolises Charu Mazdumdar- an extreme leftist leader who openly called for slaughtering "class enemies" - is extremely telling. Some commentators here say Roy doesn't provide any solution. Not right, Roy is very explicit in giving solutions. Isn't it clear that Roy supports a Maoist government? She is full of praise about "superbly organised" highly committed Maoist cadres. She wants Maoist to take over India!! That's her solution!! Now, I don't know how she will justify the "class killings" if and when Maoist come to power in India (God forbid!!). It is strange to see a Catholic Christian- Suzanne Arundhati Roy- denigrate Hinduism by her statement, "Hinduisms greatest gift to the world- Caste!! Really? Is Hinduism so evil? The only "gift" off Hinduism to the world is caste system? The mere fact that Roy can live in this country and still abuse the majority of Indian's religion(80%) and call openly for overthrowing the current democratically elected government proves that India is a liberal democracy(contrary to Arundhati's argument). She is exploiting India's liberal democracy and using the constitutionally guaranteed "freedom of speech" to undermine the very liberal constitution with a violent outdated failed Maoist dictatorship. Shame on Arundhati and other so called "human rights" activists who only sees the rights violation of Islamic terrorists and Moaists and always ignore the rights of a common man to live peacefully without being blasted in to oblivion by terror bombs.
Prasanth
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 23, 2010 09:29 AM
66
@Varun Garde- It is easy to sneer at middle class for all the evils facing the country. But did we have this "middle class" 15,20 years ago? No sir, all we had was 98% desperately poor people shackled by license raj and 2% rich politicians and selected business families. These 300 million strong middle class did not fall from the sky overnight,after economic liberalisation they worked hard, sacrificed many things and worked their way up to the middle class status. What do you propose? 300 million middle class Indians should go back to being poor? So that we can all share poverty "equally" like pre 1990s? Varun, you said "The anger seen here against Arundhati , is example of the middle class' intolerance to any opposition to its notions of "development", "progress" or nationhood."
Not true, they(middle class)fully support uplifting tribals from their misery, they have absolutely no problem about spending for poor or someone writing about their problems. But what they(middle class) oppose is the imposition of an outdated retarded, failed violent ideology like Maoism as an all healing solution by so called intellectuals like Arundhati. Almost all the commentators here criticizing Arundhati did so not because she dared to give "voice" to the oppressed, but because she is working AGAINST The liberal constitution of India and she seems to support Maoism- a dreaded non democratic ideology. Our criticism is against Maoist supporters like Arundhati Roy, not poor hapless tribal people.
Prasanth
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 23, 2010 09:37 AM
67
Grow up guys.

If Arundhati Roy tries to look deeper into the issue and tries to understand and make others understand how the Maoists have garnered support of the local people, she becomes a supporter of Maoists taking over teh country????!!!!

Learn to respect views that are different from your own. Learn that there are two sides to every issue. Learn that when we are able to see both sides, it's only then that we can act judiciously.
Sanjay
Gurgaon, India
Mar 23, 2010 12:20 PM
68
You know what, I read God Of Small Things as a teenager. I thought the book was boring for the most part, but I liked the last few pages. You know what I am talking about - the sex scene. Arundhati Roy is a wonderful writer of sex. Thats probably the only thing she's good at : writing about sex. Thats what she should ideally stick to. Write about sex Arundhati, hot steamy hardcore sex. Thats all you are good at. Just an advise.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 01:14 PM
69
Arundhathi is a lousy literator who got an award for writing rubbish about her mother. Just fails to understand why Outlook publishes her stupid articles.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 02:36 PM
70
Shooting the messenger is an age old tactic. Particularly for the lot of us who hate hearing bad news.

Roy has never been in my reading radar. I thought her God of Small Things was a boring piece of work.

But what she stands for -- at least in this article's case -- is worth giving a thought. Let us rip away her romanticised version of the tribals' innocence, her one-night (make if one-week if you please) stand with Dandakaranya and the the perpetually heartless Indian state.

Even then what we get is a multitude of people dehumanised and a mainstream mentaility completely sanitised of this dehumanised set.

It is only when the Roys and Saintaths give us the alternative perspective that we in the mainstream sometimes get a glimpse of the real. And of course we hate them for that.

Let us for a moment accept that Roy is a cynic who presents the unsavoury extreme version to us. The fact of the matter is that even that extreme version is not effective enough when pitted against the other end of the spectrum, the mainstream version of the story spouted by the likes of Arnab Goswami and Rahul Kanwal.

Even if it is through her shrill rhetoric, if an Arundhati Roy or a P Sainath manage to give the sidelined section a voice, we should be welcoming that.

But we wont. I know. Because for us, they exist only in the minds of the Roys and Sainaths.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 03:09 PM
71
Harish- Please don't compare P Sainath with Arundhati Roy, Sainath is one of the best journalists India had ever seen. He systematically (single handedly) revealed the hunger and destitution of Indian farmers. He is partly responsible for UPA government's NERGA scheme. But Arundhati is a shrill Maoist supporter. She idolises violent terrorists like Maoists and thrives on demonising the state and romanticing Jihadis and Maoists. Sainath calls himself a proud Indian and Arundhati calls herself a walking republic (whatever does that mean). Arundhati offers no solution other than rooting for a Maoist dictatorship for India meanwhile Sainath offers a credible constitutionally sound alternative.
Prasanth
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 23, 2010 03:25 PM
72
Maybe what you are saying about Roy is right. I have no interest in that. It is her subject matter -- the tribals and their gradual annihilation -- that is more important. And she is doing her job well to that extent. So what if she doesn't provide solutions? Highlighting the blatant injustice perpetrated in my name is good enough for me.

As for Sainath himself, for all my admiration for him, you think his tunnel vision doesn't have flaws?

The point being that when 99% of the mainstream doesn't give a shit about the tribals and the dying farmers, and in fact are brainwashed into believing that everything is "shining", it does take the shocking version of a Roy or a Sainath to do at least a minor counter.

To that extent I am ready to forgive Ms Roy her flaws.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 04:05 PM
73
Harish says
"The point being that when 99% of the mainstream doesn't give a shit about the tribals and the dying farmers, and in fact are brainwashed into believing that everything is "shining", "

who beleives that everything is shining, except for a few drunken types in Delhi? The types who gifted $5 million dollars to the USA in the aftermath of Katrina. This is silly lazy statement.

This essay is revealing allright. It does indicate the inablity of the state to govern, but whats new?. Where there is the vacumm (i.e. illiterate tribals) the Maoist hyenas have moved in to direct the "struggle". But there is a problem with governance everywhere. The dust choked roads filled with trucks, lurching from side to side as they navigate the cratered lunar landscape called a road, layering the towns and villages with a thick film, is everywhere. Try Mayawati's paradise if you want to a good example.

Its silly to set up these laxy narratives. So what can be done. Little but things do change in a dull managerial way. At somepoint yu realise no revolution is going to change things, as per Ms Roys mother's intution. Typical retarded middle class thinking
MK Saini
Delhi, India
Mar 23, 2010 04:25 PM
74
I am sorry, but does nobody here have a problem with the way Arundhati Roy dehumanizes security forces ? She has no problem at all at the execution of informers, believes that is just and even praises the public courts of the Maoists as a better alternative to Indian judicial system. She paints all police officers are evil, nasty, cruel types. Soldiers are reduced to being common thugs, rapists and scoundrels.

So much thought is given by her to the 'human' side of Maoists, their 'beautiful' smiles, their boyish handsomeness, their courage....worthy of hero worship and according to her, 'our last hope'.....

Soldiers of the police, SPOs , BSF on the other hand are reduced to the status of anonymous extras in a Bollywood
film without a shred of personality. Are they or are they not human beings ? Dont they smile ? Dont they come from poor families ? Dont they support aged parents ? Are they not tribals too ? What about their wives and girlfriends ? Who do they fight for ? They get killed and become a statistic, for what, a couple of thousand rupees a month ? Are they not worthy of our compassion ? According to Roy, only the 'beautiful' Maoists are worthy of our compassion.

Indian security forces, in the world of Roy, are vermin that need to be crushed by the brave 'Gandhians with guns, Our Last Hope'....
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 04:31 PM
75
Mr Saini

"who beleives that everything is shining"

My mistake: I meant "mainstream media".

Not until Sainath came around did the media discover farmers' suicides.

How many reports have spoken about the rapes and mass murders perpetrated by the state forces in the tribal hinterlands (at best the euphemism 'defensive firing' is used)? Hardly any and for obvious reasons. But the Maoist massacres are always highlighted.

That is the deficiency I was talking about. And that is where I feel the likes of Roy and Sainath balance it out.

But while the mainstream media will not be questioned, Roy will be lampooned -- because she hurts those very cosy middle class sentiments you were talking about, she exposes the guilt of the politician's darling middle and upper classes.

As for this: "It does indicate the inablity of the state to govern, but whats new?" -- the mindset behind this kind of a cynically easy statement is precisely the reason we need the shrill rhetoric of a Roy.

All the more because, whether we accept it or not, the state is actually in the 'oust the tribal mode' in the name of development. And in any case, why should development be thrust on people in the Australian aborigine fashion?

As for Mayawati's land, I do not think the media has left any stone unturned to highlight mishaps called successive UP governments!
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 04:51 PM
76
Harish Mumbai says : " How many reports have spoken about the rapes and mass murders perpetrated by the state forces in the tribal hinterlands "

Actually you need to live in a vacuum if you haven't come across frequent claims by the so-called Intellectual class that also calls itself 'Human Rights Activists'. Thats all I hear about, rapes and murders committed by security forces in Maoist areas, rapes and murders perpetrated by Indian army in Kashmir, rapes and murders committed by Indian forces in North-East....

....had they been true all male species in these regions would have been wiped out and all women would have been reduced to sexual slaves of the evil Indian forces....

No sir, balance does not mean calling Indian soldiers rapists and murderers. Its merely spreading a canard. Telling a lie million times over does not make it true.

How about this for balance ? Brutal mass murder of innocent people by Maoists, use of young women as sex slaves by Maoists....rape, murder, pillage of innocent hindus by Kashmiri muslims in Kashmir.... hacking to death of hindus by Church sponsored Christian terroists in Nagaland....all very true and relevant. However I dont see such stories making news. I certainly do not see Ms. Roy giving voice to these stories.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 05:05 PM
77
@Prashant

"Its merely spreading a canard. Telling a lie million times over does not make it true."

--Well like I said, we love to live in our fake worlds.

As for HR activists highlighting rapes and other atrocities, thank god they do. However, the fact is that hardly any are accepted by the state as a fact, we want the world to believe everything is hunky dory in the land of milk and honey.

Until the victims say enough is enough -- like what happened in the Thyangam Manorama case in Manipur -- and do something that shocks us into shame.

Well if your insinuation is that every time a rape happens, the victims' near and dear one's must protest naked in front of the mainstream media for us to take notice, then one can only say, "carry on Ms Roy".

In anycase, one can say just that: "Carry on Ms Roy. Continue the good job but cut the rhetoric and romanticism."
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 05:23 PM
78
@Harish
"All the more because, whether we accept it or not, the state is actually in the 'oust the tribal mode' in the name of development. And in any case, why should development be thrust on people in the Australian aborigine fashion? "

lets face it, the tribal culture will not survive contact with modernity. Once you bring education and exposure to modern thinking there is little going back. Would you want your kids to live as a tribal?

Its a credit to Ms Roy that she was also honest to point out the misogyny, and sometimes brutality of the tribal way of life. Its only in the West that this is glamourised and some of this western style thinking seeps over into India.

India is not Australia, its not a large sparsely populated country to setup separate reservations for tribals. There are many poor people in the cities as well whose needs must be considered. This is becoming an urban country. We need electricity, we need hydropower. Its not gone out of fashion as Ms Roy seems to think, infact its the other way around.

If everybody else's life has to change, whether they like it or not, so will the tribals. I know people who would like to live like their ancestors did, but many others are excited by "connectivity", a new buzzword in UP.
MK Saini
Delhi, India
Mar 23, 2010 05:41 PM
79
Mr Saini.

Lets say I agree with you on that. There is no escaping change.

But is it a natural course of change that is being witnessed in India? For decades the tribals were completely bereft of the basics of modernity -- education, sanitary and health facilties etc -- and nobody really cared. (M J Akbar has recorded this well in his book Riot After Riot). The tribal was merely the subject of exploitation far from the eye of the mainstream society.

And then suddenly the government smells booty underneath! And the tribal is herded into camps like domesticated animals. Their symbiotic existence is ripped apart. How fair is that?

If mainstream India can see a social upheaval of the size of the Ramjamnabhoomi-Babri movement in the name of an old forgotten mosque and namesake religious icon, how fair is it to violently disrupt the millennia old animism -- which makes the mountains, the trees, the water bodies etc the gods of the tribals -- for the purpose of the ever-elusive "growth"?

To patronise tribals and say that they "must" change, and that too by "our" standards, is fertile ground for more Maoism!

As for the misogyny you talk about, I hope you know the tribal societies are some of the most gender-equal ones in India. The Todas of Nilgiris are a case in point.

In anycase, if that all important "change" that you mentioned had indeed brought about positive developments for these people -- the tribals that I am talking about and the poor that you refer to -- then there wouldn't have been a better advocate for it than themselves.

The fact seems to be quite contrary. We are prospering at their cost. And I don't see any logic behind the assertion "some lose some gain" that will be an answer to the tribals' plight.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 07:55 PM
80
Algebraic clarity, from Ms Roy: A protracted war by the State (Upper caste Hindu in your thesaurus) on the ‘Others’ should have been equal to ‘A protracted war by the ‘Others’ against the State’, except for the Sex, and Revolutions are Sexy.

A perfect life, for the central character of Upamanyu Chatterjee’s first novel, English August, required; apart from grass, music and books, a Woman who did not exist before and after the ‘act’.
Revolution, Ms Roy, takes longer than the ‘Act’ and the pills for the morning-after aren’t sold over-the-counter and in any case; have side effects.
Saurabh Kumar Srivastava
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:08 PM
81
Ms.Roy, the greedy Indian middle class both here and abroad will malign you. They are 'patriotic' in their own language of development. Please do not give even iota of importance to them. Go ahead. The majority of poor people living in this subcontinent (Indians?!) are here by your side. History remembers those who love mankind. The others are thrown into dustbin. A salute to your courage in the age of paid journalism.
selvaraj
chennai, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:37 PM
82
Selvaraj, why would the 'majority of the poor of India' stand by Arundhati Roy ? They probably have no clue who she is. Most of them cannot afford the 25 rupees it takes to buy Outlook, and even if they could, they wouldn't understand her as English is not yet a poor man's language and Roy has no ability to communicate in any tongue other than English.To be honest, the poor couldn't care less about Roy and her kind.

Its only the 'greedy' middle class that you hate so much who read her or give her importance.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:40 PM
83
This is a trick too clever by half to equate Tribals and Maoists .
If indeed they are the same lets just take a step back and try to understand what do Maoists really want ? What are their objectives ? To have tribal forests declared protected reserves and ensure their needs are met by special schemes , quotas ? Do they want a Tribal state with Autonomy (say Article 370) carved out of tribal areas so that the tribals can make their own decisions on resources and manage their own people - well that would make sense for a tribal revolution if there was one.
But no they dont - they want to massacre the Bourgeoise class in India ( 100 million even if it was a conservative 10%) , overthrow democracy by arms , disband Indian security apparatus , justice system and economy - bring one party rule and set up their own party justice system - and grant independence to all ethnic groups from Indian union that choose ( I know they have promosed for Kashmir and North east , not sure if this is applicable for the hindu areas too - probably not - the evil hinduism should probably be eliminated to a post-religious society _ .
The party would rein supreme. Party will charge , party will judge , party will sentence . With no elections ( there is no democracy see ) one just hopes you are on the good side of yout local communist boss ( you can send them your daughters you see , that will make them happy) and they can live the dream - and we the nightmare .
Hypothetically , when they do overtake India there will atleast 50% ( short for 500 Million ) who wont accept the set-up ( Indian never agree on amything , do they) - what is to be done to the 50% as party tolerates no indiscipline - soaking hands in their blood as Charu Majumdar Prophetically suggested ?
Maoist are very clear to state want absolute power and they want to achieve that in the next few decades and everybody exept the intellectual fools who are trying to fool others know what is in stake .
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:45 PM
84
Harish Mumbai, sure rapes happen. Atrocities happen. But not at the scale at which the self-proclaimed human rights activists who you admire so much claim. Arundhati Roy and her kind exaggerate to a great extent. When they say hundreds of rapes by security forces, there are actually about one or two. When they talk about thousands of murders by police, there are actually around five or six. Its only self-loathing idiots like you who believe these pseudo human rights activists. Their agenda is clear. Disintegration and destruction of India. They are soft terrorists. They kill with their words, not with bullets. And people like you support them.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:57 PM
85
The greatest enemies of India are not Maoists or Muslim terrorists. They are just mad dogs that have to be shot dead and our Army and our Police are well capable of doing that job. The greatest threat to India comes from the passive supporters of Maoism and Islamic terrorism who call themselves human rights activists, intellectuals and what not. Their objective is to humiliate, demoralise and demonise the Indian Army and Police so that they are not able to fight with all their strength. Their goal is same as Maoists and Muslim terrorists - disintegration, annihilation, destruction of India. Because thats what they hate most -India.

Arundhati Roy, Outlook editor and journalists are valued members of this club.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:57 PM
86
Those of us endowed with a voice who would rush to claim that we have made ourselves out of hard work, fought and won against our ailments and are rightfully middle class, forget to recognize that we were plainly reaping the harvest of caste superiority, of a system rigged to work towards our advantage, and towards the disadvantage of the poor.
That the water that we drink was snatched from their basins, that the power that we consume was generated in a dam that displaced a thousand villages. That the
Probably these are not petty crimes, but the worst crime which we did commit and continue to commit without remorse, without a thought is to deny a face, a voice and a hope to these tribals, deprived of money, opportunities and rights. By a "democratically elected" representative government, which we allowed to do our dirty work.

Her essay makes me wonder if our democratically elected, representative government is more patriotic or those that are its children, and who resist its murderous agenda.
Varun Garde
Bengaluru, India
Mar 23, 2010 08:58 PM
87
I think many of us are missing few important points.

1> Roy is a brilliant story teller so when her pen starts she can take a fact and weave it brilliantly with imagination, color and empathy - present it to a mass audience.
2> She has the capacity influence and convince mainstream Indians (and many others) to justify Maoist violence. I admire that capacity
3> The issue has never been Indian govt, Maoist, lands or mountains. The fundamental issue has been the justice system in India. Remember that historically Indian people always sided or connected with someone whom they feel is just. They never cared about the ideology, politics or anything else.

Since justice system is not delivering properly, all other avenues like corruption, nepotism, insurgents, Maoist, PWG etc come out. Other countries like China destroy these forces through brutality.

Instead of focusing your energy to blast Ms Roy can you not ask :
>> Justice system be revived, with time bound resolution

Our people is our strength.
Sarat kumar
Banbarada, India
Mar 23, 2010 09:08 PM
88
Varun Garde, you are an idiot. 25 years back the middle class in India accounted for just 5% of the population. Today it accounts for 25-30%. Where did this extra 25% come from ? They came from the poor, you nitwit. Poor need not remain poor. A country is not static.

The reason there are so many poor people in India is because of Nehruvian socialism. Take that away, free the economy, and there will be more numbers added to the middle class. Few years of economic reforms have seen a phenomenal growth in the number of middle class. Imagine what can happen if India becomes a free market capitalist country...

But then this is precisely what A. Roy's leftist comrades do not want. They want to keep India perpetually poor. They do not want the poor to lose their poverty and become rich. Because then, they would lose all their support.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 23, 2010 11:31 PM
89
Mr Chidambaram, Don't listen to what these "Human Right Activists" say, The people have elected you, do your job.
Mr Garde, these "friends" of the poor are destroying schools, They don't serve meat in vegetarian restaurants, and they don't call you pro-poor when you destroy the very Institutions that lift people out of poverty, now would you be called pro-povery or not, that's a different matter.
Roy hates the economic reforms because the population Below poverty line is 25%, but for a different reason than you might think,she hates these reforms because they have reduced it to 25% from 70% in 1991.
I'd like to know what she has been smoking when she comes to the assesment that the system caters to only the upper caste Hindus, when you find that the non-muslim minorities such as Zoroastrians(Ratan Tata),Sikhs(the PM) and Christians are actually doing better than the Hindus.
And don't even get me started on the Reservations.
The government has made mistakes, but the Maoists are a solution worse than the problem.
Still I'd have no problem if they create a separate state,provided Roy Migrates to this country and does not torture readers with such articles.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 23, 2010 11:37 PM
90
harish

amaratya sen got a nobel prize in economics.

the western industrialised world gave it to him because it is concerned about the poor. it was a gesture of solidarity. all most all of these poor live in countries like india, pakistan, nepal, burma, ethiopia.

its simple. roy blames the rich for all the misery.dont blame the poor, for haveing 5 to 6 children per family. dont blame mother india and nature because there is insufficient water, land and other resources for its increaing flock of children. dont blame corrupt politicians like lalloo,mayawati ,shibu soren, koda for stealing from their compatriots.these are children of the poor.

whilst travelling through india i observed how every town and city had so many people. sitting, walking, lieing down.
people,people and more.children without clothes. young people without jobs, and old helpless people without food.

a friend of mine a doctor pointed out something
to me. " it seems that the density of population in india is about 10 times greater than in danmark"

prince phillips who is known for dropping bricks has said.
" the population of the world has gone up from 2 billion
to 6.7 billion in 60 years. this is the single greatest
cause for environmental damage to our planet"

imagine if india had not built damns ,irrigation canals,
developed new rice and wheat seeds, and built fertiliser
factories.

roy is a nut- the only dispute is what kind of nut.

it is amazeing that she can get her rubbish published.
only in india. she would be laughed away as a nitwit in any
informed company in the west.this happened once when a
journalist from the economist dismissed all her opinions as
being totally wrong.

at her age its pathetic that she goes around playing
the teenage girl with flowers in her hair, and pretending she is the indian evita peron.

poverty in india is a sin,like everywhere else. it has to
fought intelligently useing all the sciences and resources
available to us. its contemptible to use it to win points
with frivolous populism .
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Mar 23, 2010 11:44 PM
91
And this is really funny,
When a far-left maniac takes a jab at Hinduism, she is termed progressive, but talk about the Kashmiri pandits, you're a Hindu Bigot.
Mr Mehta, It's a good thing you covered the tribals, now the Kashmiri Pandits,How about the Pandits?
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 24, 2010 12:57 AM
92
Fascinating reportage. And an excellent, thoughtful discussion. However, I'm still just not quite sure yet what it is about the aggressive tone, insulting language and eccentric typesetting that marks Martuza Polen out as the only troll in the village ...
James
London, United Kingdom
Mar 24, 2010 12:57 AM
93
>>>it is amazeing that she can get her rubbish published.
only in india. she would be laughed away as a nitwit in any
informed company in the west

Unfortunately this is not true. She is like our very own Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein and Michael Moore, rolled into one. People like this are a curse on the productive and patriotic.
SreekanthBoston
Boston, United States
Mar 24, 2010 01:50 AM
94
I doubt who is funding all this nonsense of hers. A true journalist is one who is unbiased. But, here right the word go, she starts praising the naxals and screwing our brave soldiers and police. I dont know whats her problem with the middle class.
Look at the following link. She has heavily criticized even our Nuclear tests. Doe she really mean this nonsense or is she taking sides just for gaining publicity.
http://www.ratical.c...es/endOfImagine.html
Lakshmikanth
Bangalore, India
Mar 24, 2010 01:51 AM
95
Who's ready to take bets that "James" the troll is none other than the banished Dev Raya, Reddy, Old Mac...?
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Mar 24, 2010 01:58 AM
96
'Dev Raya'/'James':


>> However, I'm still just not quite sure yet what it is about the aggressive tone, insulting language and eccentric typesetting that marks Martuza Polen out as the only troll in the village ...


Back again?

Still seething over the fact that the
moderator deleted all your posts in
that thread, but kept everyone else's?

Don't think you can ever -- ever --
get away with your racist statements.

And try to attack me and I'll see that
your posts are all deleted once again.

Savvy?
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 24, 2010 02:07 AM
97
I think compliments are due to Arundhati Roy and Outlook for achieving what P. Chidambaram could not have managed: turning public opinion against the Maoists.

Take all the "causes" Arundhati has espoused: nuclear weapons, Narmada, Afzal Guru, Kashmir... and in all of them, public opinion, even those who supported those causes, turned against only because of A. Roy's shrill, megalomaniacal and neverending rants.

I just hope that Kanu Sanyal did not decide to take his life because Arundhati Roy decided to support the movement he founded so many years ago. He meant well for the tribals and the underprivileged. Ms Roy is concerned only with her own ego.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Mar 24, 2010 02:08 AM
98
What Arundhati really needs is a good,
strong, hardball interview with a
sensible, disinterested journalist and
good interviewer. Her interview with
Karan Thapar was an ultra-softball joke.
Even Vir Sanghvi said so. Come to think
of it, why not Vir? He could challenge
her hypocrisy and black-and-white views
very effectively. She'd be squirming.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 24, 2010 03:02 AM
99
"Take all the "causes" Arundhati has espoused: nuclear weapons, Narmada, Afzal Guru, Kashmir... and in all of them, public opinion, even those who supported those causes, turned against only because of A. Roy's shrill, megalomaniacal and neverending rants."

Interesting observation.
Maha
NJ, United States
Mar 24, 2010 03:36 AM
100
Yes, Murtuza, Maha, that is the pity of it. It is similar to the result of the methods of opposition adopted by Laloo and Mulayam Yadav to oppose the Women's reservation. The genuine arguments get drowned out because of people's revulsion.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Mar 24, 2010 04:15 AM
101
The Muslims, in the LONG run, will pay a very heavy price for helping Maoism to power in India.

History has shown that the bloody-Left-Islamist alliance only operates UNTIL the Bloody-Left are in power. It happened thus in Russia and China.

Once the savage despots of vthe "Left" are in power, their attitude to Islam changes radically. They need to destroy every element in the society that might possibly be outside their totalitarian ideology. And the mosque is precisely such an institution. So they wage extremely brutal wars against Muslim clergy and believers to force them to submit to totalitarian "leftist" ideology. (I don't believe there is anything leftist in any real sense in this ideology, hence the quotation marks.)

In India, my guess is that eventually, with arms in the hands of masses of Hindu peasants as a result of Maoism, Islam will take a terrific hit.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 24, 2010 04:17 AM
102
Take a good look at these Maoists. They're tough guys.

They can deal with jihadis, once in power.

Their hands will not tremble.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 24, 2010 04:26 AM
103
One aspect of the Maoists being virtuallty in power in Nepal is that this Hindu country is now safe from Muslim expansionism.

The Maoists have armed the Hindu and Buddhist peasants of Nepal, who will crush ruthlessly any Muslim attempt at takeover.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 24, 2010 04:29 AM
104
There is a lot to be said for Maoism - as a means of dealing with jehadis.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 24, 2010 04:32 AM
105
Just as Stalin was the only guy tough enough to crush Hitler, maybe Maoism is the only force to save India from Islam.
Iqram Jahaz
Jaipur, India
Mar 24, 2010 08:31 AM
106
Gayatri Devi writes -

"amaratya sen got a nobel prize in economics.

the western industrialised world gave it to him because it is concerned about the poor. it was a gesture of solidarity. all most all of these poor live in countries like india, pakistan, nepal, burma, ethiopia." -

I know that "Gayatri Devi" lives in one of the Scandinavian countries.

But, it is good to know now that our "Gayatri Devi" is also a member of the Nobel Committee which sits in Sweden to be able to make such an outburst - or is that due to some "anti-Bongo" instinct ?

But that will be surprising since the original "Gayatri Devi" was a Bongo herself !
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Mar 24, 2010 09:09 AM
107
Why does Outlook continue to publish her nonsense week after week ? Do they have too much money now to waste on garbage like hers or they do not find any better writers / articles ? So much for the intelligent english media in India. I am yet to read one article by Arundhati Roy where she has praised India or anything Indian. She won a Booker's price, so she thinks she is the smartie pant. Who cares about Booker except flag waving, west obsessed hypocrites like her. For a change, she needs to find something good in India or else move to Italy or somewhere else. By the wa, where does she get the money to travel and have such luxuries to roam and " write " at will ? Wake up India, see the real story. Arundhati Roy is no journalist or writer, she is a puppet in those invisible hands who are eating up India like a rat from inside. Only in India can people do this kind of backstabbing like Arundhati keeps doing to India and get away with name and money for it.
Vipul Jani
toronto, Canada
Mar 24, 2010 09:57 AM
108
A well written piece from Ms. Roy.

The last time I read something like this was about Robin Hood and his Merry Band!

Ms. Roy has, as is her wont, demonstrated brilliantly how a combination of erudition and verbosity can camouflage the travesty of truth!

I am sure this article will appeal to all those people who still think it is fashionable (is it coming back?) to be anti-establishment, non-conformist, anarchic an so on ..
A M Diwakar
Bangalore, India
Mar 24, 2010 10:05 AM
109
OUTLOOK henceforth must at least publish Arundhthi articles in fiction section. Tell her to add some of her mothers sexual escapades and may be she will get another "BOOKKER"
Akil
Bangalore, India
Mar 24, 2010 10:54 AM
110
This is the only article by Arundhati Roy that I have read and some of the facts she mentioned ring true to me. For example, I have seen strategic hamleting in Mizoram around 1977 when I was working in the NEHU. A highway was built from one end of the state to another, villages were shifted near the highway,( and I was told) fenced off and needed identity cards to leave the fenced area to farm. And there is much similar material in Raul Banerjee's "Recovering the Lost Tongue: The Saga of Environmental Struggles in Central India", Rahul Banerjee worked for about 25 years with tribals in Central India. It seems to me that tribals have real problems. I wonder whether they are using Maoists since they could not get much support from elsewhere.
Anandaswarup Gadde
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 24, 2010 12:05 PM
111
Anandaswarup Gadde,

>> It seems to me that tribals have real problems. I wonder whether they are using Maoists since they could not get much support from elsewhere.

Something has to be done to address the problems/concerns of tribals, not letting them turn to/into Maoists. To that extent, Ms Roy or anyone taking up to tell their story is not bad (it is even required) - without jumping from this point towards a support for communist/maoist regime, overthrowing inclusive constitutional democracy etc.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
Mar 24, 2010 01:09 PM
112
kumar

they have other choices-

missionaries could convert them. build churches,and get them
to ba another force against modi.

faruki,s mullahs could get them to be muslims. however this
could be risky.

it would be tough for the women stumbling in the dark
wearing black burqas,
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Mar 24, 2010 01:54 PM
113
The attire of A.Roy seems familiar. Isn't that similar to what the Palestinian guerrillas don? May be she is revealing her inner unfulfilled commitments. This pest has found a matching company in those mindless terrorists with an ideological facade.

Doubts having been raised about her source of funds to write all that thrash she has been writing, and if ever such source is identified and she is tried for treason and sentenced to death by hanging, I am too willing to be her hangman, my professional obligation notwithstanding. Such is my revulsion for this unforgivable idiot.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Mar 24, 2010 02:51 PM
114
A.Roy is a 'gifted lady' of India and an Angel for millions of deprived people who have been subjected to horrendous discrimination and human rights abuses for centuries by fellow country men. Her adventure to expose the level of injustice and deprivation of these unfortunate people will be remembered for ever. She is a shining gem in a billion.
Rajesh
Sydney, Australia
Mar 24, 2010 03:14 PM
115
A.Roy, your 'GREED' for publicity and spotlight always get better of you. You are incorrigible, aren't you?

You got a slap on your wrist from Supreme Court for putting your foot in your mouth, but you still can't stop doing that. You are shameless, aren't you?
Ravi Kant Asthana
Portsmouth, United Kingdom
Mar 24, 2010 03:27 PM
116
So you saw 'Vedanta Cancer Hospital' board and realised that there must be mineral or ore's mountain close by which this corrupt corporate want's to exploit. Is exploiting natural resources of the country for betterment of country infrastructure is corruption?

You took journey by train, bus and motorbike to meet your comrades. Were these assets and whatever infrastructure you used were created my maigic wand of a tribal witch?
Ravi Kant Asthana
Portsmouth, United Kingdom
Mar 24, 2010 03:36 PM
117
You find smile of certain 'mangtu' seductive and you don't find him security threat even though he can handle all kinds of weapon except LMG. You find police personal who are being trained to fight the Maoists are Mad dogs, rapists and oppressors, but you don't find anything wrong when Mangtu and his ilks burn and kill those willagers who don't want follow their dictates.

A poor policemen who was beheaded by your comrades was most probably there because he had a family to feed back at home. Small kids who needed education. Your comrades took away that precious support from his family, made his wife widow and his children's future uncertain and yet they are revolutionary for you? And yet you have guts to talk of 'corrupt MINDS' of government.

It's you and your comrades who are MAD DOGS. and they will be treated like a MAD DOGS. SHOOT TO KILL.
Ravi Kant Asthana
Portsmouth, United Kingdom
Mar 24, 2010 03:45 PM
118
THIS IS ONLY EMOTIONS OF ROY... NOTHING. WHEN MAOVADI KILLED POLICEMEN OR INNOCENT THAT TIME WHY ROY NOT CRITICIZED THAT ATTACK.. SHE IS NOT A WRITER OR JOURNALIST... ONLY AGAINST FOR COUNTRY.. SOME TIME SHE TALK AGAINST SARDARSAROVAR. NOW SHE FAVOURS MAOIST..
DIPAK D. CHUDASAMA
HYDERABAD, India
Mar 24, 2010 03:57 PM
119
those ppl who can not counter the points raised by arundhati roy target her.if she is fake,her detractors should point out where she is instead of labeling her as communist,catholic and what not.its better to analyze her article than to analyse or abuse her
angarag
guwahatai, india
Mar 24, 2010 04:01 PM
120
Arundhati Roy doesn't surprise me. Her pretentious, self-righteous, highly hypocritical articles are the staple of the so-called 'intelligentsia', an intellectual cabal determined to send the Indian state back to the stone age. The target of Operation green Hunt is misplaced; it instead should have been directed towards these pseudo-intellectuals than the Maoists.

P.S. I'm rather rather glad that the Mossad is assisting the Indian personnel to weed out these terrorists from the Indian soil.
Arnav Das Sharma
Nagpur, India
Mar 24, 2010 04:14 PM
121
Arundhati Roy is India's biggest security threat!
Arnav Das Sharma
Nagpur, India
Mar 24, 2010 05:26 PM
122
Hey Anurag,
You want us to point out where she is wrong?
All right, let's start with her Anti-Development stand.
1.She continues her tirade against the middle class and neo-"liberal policies", when it is a fact that we didn't have a 25% middle class before these reforms, the 25% BPL population is disturbing, but it is utopia compared to the License Raj 70%.
2.The Psuedo-liberalism, Roy and her kind sound like a broken record, Rapes by soldiers in Kashmir,Iraq, FACT:Those
Guilty are punished, unlike the Maoists who despite burnuing villages are more worthy of her sympathy, and what of the Kashmiri Pandits, the Tibetans, the ones who are really oppressed,
If this woman was alive in 1943, she'd say that the worst war crime in the second world war was the bombing of Dresden, and not the Mass murder of jews.
3.Her Hypocritical stand on the environment, while building Mansions on illegal forest land.

And Mr Vinod Mehta, You think this piece of trash is worthy of a cover story?
If so, also write about the grievances in Pakistan and China.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 24, 2010 05:29 PM
123
And Anurag, please point out where she is right, when was the last time she actually suggested a solution to a problem
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 24, 2010 05:33 PM
124
And to comment #23
Pete,You Aussies have done a great job with the Aborigines and the White Australia policy.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 24, 2010 08:25 PM
125
Arundhati has spoken of a solution to these problems in one of her interviews:
The solution is to do things the right way as scripted in our constitution. The problem has arisen because we have deviated from our constitution and the only logical solution is to go back to the constitution. For every man deprived of his rights, the law must restore his rights; to every woman raped by a policeman or any one else, the rapist must be punished; to every corporate body that manipulates the law and brings untold miseries to the innocent masses, the law must catch and regulate them; to every politician who uses his power to suppress and exploit people, the law must punish him/her; and so on. The solution is to restore the constitution as envisioned when it was incorporated in free India and not let it become a farce as it has become today.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 24, 2010 08:31 PM
126
Do you think the tribals have no other work but to raise a war against the state where they stand to lose everything for nothing in return? They are fighting because they are pushed to the edge of their survival. It is we who have pushed them to that war. And it is we who need to step back to give them some room to return to their normal life. If we keep pressurizing them with our supposedly developmental policies, it is we who are the real perpretators of war, not them.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 24, 2010 09:25 PM
127
Reader Man - Can you point out to the article where Arundhati says being true to Indian Constitution is the solution - I would be surprised if she considers Indian constitution worth the paper it is written .

If you read carefully the comments below you will notice none has fallen for the line what we seeing here is tribal revolution - this is protracted war by Maoists with the sole objective of wresting absolute power . nothing less.
So we can have a separate discussion on the people on the sidelines but not in this context .

Maoist terror is unacceptable and has no place . Fair and simple.
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 24, 2010 09:48 PM
128
Pradeep, it was an interview she gave to a foreign journalist. You may find it on YouTube.

But who are the Maoists and why are they only on tribal land? The Maoists were supposed to be decimated several times in the past 60 years. But why do they always spring back every time? It is because we provide the "fodder" in the shape of these "harassed" tribals. And every time we try to wipe them out of the face of this nation by military force, we are sowing the seeds for the next round of maoist revolution.

A classic example is the Vedanta mining in the Dongria Kondh tribal area of Orissa - as hinted by Arundhati in this article.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 24, 2010 09:51 PM
129
Does Ms. Roy know that there was a non-violent movement in Chattisgad by Shankar Guha Niyogi. Strangely all the players in Chattisgad seem to have conveniently forgotten Niyogi.

Selective memory or ignorance?

An article on Niyogi
http://otherindia.or...s/niyogihis_work.pdf
abcde1101us
bidar, india
Mar 24, 2010 10:08 PM
130
Reader Man - Proof of Arundhati's "approval" of Indian constitution as valid is too important to give benefit of doubt it might exist somewhere .. you claimed she did - the onus is on you to prove ( If at all there was such an interview , I would be looking for the ifs and buts )

Yes Maoists are predominantly in the Tribal areas , that doesnt prove anything .. Why would the tribals want to take over India - they are harassed they want to throw away security forces , declare independence - that sounds coherant .
Why a protracted war to claim the red-fort ? what do the tribals want to achive in New Delhi far away from DK ? Plant Trees ?
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 24, 2010 11:15 PM
131
Reader Man,
I'm not against the tribals, The Indian political establishment has neglected the development of the poor,asserting their legitimacy by merely having voted in.
In fact ,If this movement gives them a kick in the pants and gets them to work, then they may even be regarded as heroes.
But how can you call them pro-poor when they destroy Railway tracks,roads, the little civil Administration that's left.
The Maoists aren't pro-poor, they are like Roy herself pro-poverty, Instead of addressing their condition, they are using it for their support for power in order to overthrow the Indian state.
They have popular support, but so did the Chinese communist party when they were fighting the Kuomintang.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 12:05 AM
132
What an eye-opener! This is arguably the most well-researched piece ever written on the Naxal movement. It's really difficult to distinguish between the Naxals and the Navis in James Cameroon's Avatar.
Mazhar
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Mar 25, 2010 12:17 AM
133
Mazhar , One is not surprised that someone in Dubai is thinks this is the best piece ever - but can you explain which part of this 20000 word travelogue is "research" ?
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 01:09 AM
134
Author found a hundred reasons like a seasoned lawyer ( with half baked findings ) why Afzal Guru should not be hanged and made it know in every forum , but surprisingly finds it is a viable alternate Justice system where 2 people were executed on spot where the crowd thought they cant be trusted anymore ?
Ever heard about Coliseum and Gladiators ?
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 01:49 AM
135
Mazhar:

>> What an eye-opener! This is arguably the most well-researched piece ever written on the Naxal movement.


Are you joking?

This is nothing but cheap propaganda,
with the explicit goal of humanizing
the Maoists. Well, you know what, I
can go embedded with the Taliban for
a few days, too, and get some "Boy,
what a smile!" type pictures and a
few moving tales of Talib courage.

But it would be stupid and pointless.

The Taliban are defined by their ideology.

As should the Maoists be.

Maoism killed more than 20
million people in Mao's China.

Is that not more important than some
Jungle Book-type picnics with Maoists?



>>It's really difficult to distinguish between the Naxals and the Navis in James Cameroon's Avatar.


Speak for yourself, brother.

Did I tell you how I have trouble telling the
difference between al-Qaeda and The Flintstones?
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 25, 2010 04:20 AM
136
a question to you all who have been vilifying her? what solution do you propose instead of sending the army and police? how many of you had your mothers and sisters raped ? how many of you have been kicked out of your home? how many of you have bothered to visit Bastar? very easy to castigate her. what are we doing except sit on couches and passing snide remarks? you may disagree with her sympathies but there is no place for namecalling in this forum.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 04:53 AM
137
Sabu - do I hear since some forest officials raped lets assume every woman and lady in the tribal areas across 4 states they want to take over the country ?
However I try I couldnt find a logical connection between the alleged grief and the stated objective of the movement .
would be glad if you can explain why ..
If my understanding is wrong , and If the Maoist objective is not to take over the state , then there will be room for other solutions instead of vilifying the mobile republic
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 05:27 AM
138
pradeep, do you seriously believe the Maoists can take over India? Do you think most Indians would support that? No, and it is not going to happen. They happen to believe in something does not mean it is feasible. The real concern is not their ideology. the concern is how to wean the poor people away from them. the reign of terror unleashed by the state isn't helping it. when DGPs like Vishwaranjan talk about hunting them down like Mice you have to wonder where our discourse has descended. these are our own people we are talking abou. If the govt can talk to NSCN, AASU, do you want me to believe they cannot talk to the Maoists? When Chidambaram said sop violence for 72 hours, the Chattisgarh police was sill picking up villagers there. Why are academics like nandini Sunda of DSE stopped from going to Bastar if the gov has nothing to hide? How much coverage of Brualities of the Police and COBRA do you see on TImes Now while Arnab Goswami waxes eloquently about Maoist beheadings. Make no mistake what happned ti Francis Induwar was reprehensible. But how many Dalit beheadings by ranvir sena or Salwa Juddum has been so eloquently reported by our media. the real issue is not development. the real issue is that these tribals have been made aware by Maoists that they are also political subjects and they can articulate their demands instead of being pushed around by the state. for us it is uncomfortable because we have always been elitist in presumption, egalitarian in assumptions. now when they refuse o vacate the land which rightflly belongs to them under the consituion, we see them against dvelopment. why? becasue for so long we have thought what is good for them never presuming they can think for themselves other than casting a vote for every 5 years. so when a journalist like Ms. Roy paints a picture of their lives that does not fit with our narrative, we call her names. i do not like her glorification of Charu Mazumder et al. But the stories we get is true and it hits us hard because we are obssessed with GDP but not inequalities. what is the option for these people to seek recourse? go to a judge who wont listen to them? go to a leader like Madhu Koda? or to the Police? If the govt is serious about this issue it has to allow academics and development experts to engage them and focus on rural empowerment through accountable representatives from these people instead of raising more paramilitiaries with our tax money
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 05:31 AM
139
An awesome article...

More often than not the mainstream media chooses to ignore some of the worst cases of State atrocities... not because they are not aware of it... but because "We - the middle class" do not care what is happening to everyone else as long as our dinner and breakfasts are not affected...

I am proud that we have people like Arundhati who take the trouble to get to the truth, instead of just skimming the surface and writing the State fed story.

If only our so called "democratic" government worked towards fulfilling the promise of our independence - SWARAJ(self-rule) and the vision of Bapuji - Swanirvar samaj (self sufficient societies)... we would not be so easily swayed by the wills, wishes and fancies of some MNCs.

I only hope and pray that we stop this destructive path to so called "development"... before it is too late...

http://www.darjeelin...-and-The-Damned.html

Jai Gorkhaland
Upendra
Winnipeg, Canada
Mar 25, 2010 06:43 AM
140
Sabu - It doesnt matter if a banned Organization has the capability to overthrow the state or if we believe in such a prospect . What matters is what their ideology is and what they stand for .

Just read what Ganapathy has to say about what his vision for the future below

http://news.rediff.c...might.htm#contentTop

Sample extract below
" There is a new hope that national liberation struggles will hasten if the Maoist revolution advances. In this context, in accordance with MLM (Marxism Leninism and Maoism), the party always maintained the position of the right to self-determination, including secession of all oppressed nationalities. This has to be utilised to unite with them and form a united front."

And you want me to believe they are struggling for tribal rights and we should not take their central threat seriously. Their primary objective is to undermine Indian union and they will take up whatever grievance that they find on their way , be it tribals , telengana , labor unrest , land acquisition for SEZ .

Please dont justify Maoist terror tactics by shielding them behind Tribal plight . The day tribals stand for themselves and shun the Maoists is the day their struggle will gain legitimacy .
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 07:25 AM
141
Hats off to Ms Arundhathi Roy. She is one of the rare Indian celebrity writers with conviction. Ms Arundhati Roy,thanks a lot for brining out in vivid details the lives Maoist's lead in Dandakaranya.

Poor people's problems are real. State terrorism is also real. However, I am not convinced about the methods used and shallow rhetoric deployed by the Maoists to bring revolution. They still swear by Maoism, when China is violating all canons of justice vis-a-vis the rural poor in their country, in encouraging the corporates and SEZs. Ideologically Indian Maoists they are on a weak wicket. They cannot show one single country in the world where Maoism is sccessfully practised to alleviate people's problems. They are sacrificing their lives for a lost cause.
G. Niranjan Rao
Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India
Mar 25, 2010 07:26 AM
142
Pradeep, the interview I wrote about is the Riz Khan one (in Part 1). It is on the YouTube on the Internet.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 07:34 AM
143
Pradeep, If you think ideology operates in a vaccum sadly you are mistaken. then it is a belief not an ideology. russian revolution did not take place because Lenin was dreaming about proletarian uprising. there are certain socio cultural conditions in which they operate and find acceptance. for 60 years these people have been neglected an shunned by those same democratic institutions that serve you and me well but turned them away. as i asked you who do they go to. you ask them to shun the maoists. i ask the same too. question is what is replacement in present scenario. have you ever been to bastar, manipur or kashmir to see what the state does there. why would they give up their land when it is their constitutionally protected right and the state refuses to rehablitate them if they do. look a what is ahppening in orissa. why SEZs. would you work in a place where you have no labor rights. i am sure you would not but you would want these people to work there because it suits and profits keep coming although they are being screwed. for too long people like you have asked them to shut up and listen to you becasue you think you know what is best for them. go work in SEZs in appaling conditions. dont you feel ashamed subjecting your fellow ciizens to such misery hat you would never wish for your own family. what is development. for whom. how much is the compensation paid to them. i would ask you to check this link www.otherindia.org and check the report the butterfly and the mahua flower. it is by swedish aid organization not some hack job. even these people know they cannot win against the state. but you cannot stop them because they have nothing more to loose after all these years. i asked you how much of manipur is focussed in national media, was it featured that NHRC said Lalmohan Tudu o PCPA was killed point blank at Lalgarh bysecurity forces. thhis is only of many such kilings. but one police officer gets killed and our middle class sentiments get titillated becasue he is one of us, rom middle class maybe knows english, looks like us. But they are tribals so we have a birth right to think we know what is right for them. what they should do. as i said violence on both sides is reprehensible. as the dominant party is the inidan state willing o engage them. no. look at the this forum, anyone who chooses to disagree with he majority is branded a sympathiser. human rights activists are decried as eltists even as enemies of the state. while some such activiss are rabble rouser a majority are freethinkers. why cant we be critical of both sides and listen to what the ribals have to say. how many tribal leaders themselves have been covered by he media. i have no time educated maoist leaders or their intellectual crap as i know what is feasible and what is not. dont create strawman by citing ganapathy and then assailing him. do we have anything democratic to offer to the tribals and listen to them or do we want to settle scores on our terms. his is a political battle than our police cannot solve. why did the state banish Himangshu Kumar. why did it imprison Binayak Sen. Why are we decrying Arundhai now. becasue we cannot handle what they have to say. we want our SEZs, minings and real estate. while the rest can go to hell. make no mistake this mindset is a recipe for disaster when we refuse o listen what the other side has to say or just cherypick words to suit our purpose. how can you believe that with a 1.3 million strong army and many more paramilitary they will overthrow the state. they cannot but they will make us feel uncomfortable just as Kashmiris have done. which is why we are so eager o exterminate them before they can talk
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 08:59 AM
144
Sabu puts forth a valid argument. A crude analogy here - if I were cornered by an opponent closing in on me with a menacing sword, I would grab the next item (stone, stick, soil, whatever) lying besides me and try to counter the opponent. The tribals are in the same cornered situation. After having suffered neglect for more than 60 years, the government, instead of helping them, comes and says that they must vacate the land because mining will take place on their land or a dam will be built there. I am no fan of Maoism or Maoists but the tribals have no one to go to with their problems. In comes the Maoists.

We cannot win this war by blasting out the Maoist-Tribals with military force. As long as our policies do not take into account the genuine benefit of the tribals, there will always be another round of uprising.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 09:30 AM
145
Do the tribals have a right to fight injustice?, HELL YES
Do Maoists have a right to destroy the little civil infrastructure that's left in that country?, HELL NO
You're right, Reader Man and Sabu, Guns and bullets are not the are not the right way to go about it.
It is through building schools,hospitals and solid social infrastructure which will lift them out of poverty.
Our point is that the Maoists are not letting that happen.
Even when the government does build a hospital, this far-left retard screams corruption.
The Tribals being Indian citizens, have a right as much as any of us to lead a better life, but how is that possible when your schools are demolished.
Protest against land acquisition, but also protest against the fact that they are not letting any doctors into those areas.
In fact, this woman may have done more harm than good to the tribal's cause because of her sponsorship.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 09:51 AM
146
Narendra, that is exactly what is wrong with most of us. what is point of stooping to ad hominem attacksÉ If you think you can write better than her, I am sure Oulook will be happy to publish you. Till then, it is for the sake of decency one should keep quiet if one does not have any relevant point to offer. this is a forum to discuss ideas not launch personal attacks
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 10:26 AM
147
This is Journalism at its ultimate best. I'd urge most of the people who have commented to look at the story from the sorry-state of the tribals point of view rather than Arundhati-a-maoist-romanticist. While most of us continue to brand Naxals as the biggest internal threat, the government has already signed 1000 MoU's with multi-national companies to take over the Dandakaranya forests for which villages will be burnt, women will be raped, men and children be-headed.
Thank you Arundhati for this and continue the good work. You are an inspiration.
Ashwat
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:00 AM
148
Thanks Ashwat. It could be 1000 or just 100 MoUs but the first step the government can take is make all these MoUs public. Let the citizens of this nation know what the government plans to do in this tribal belt. And then let there be an independent hearing of each of these MoUs with experts from all fields (including tribal rights bodies) and the tribals themselves. Only then we can hear the true voices of the tribals without interference from either the government or the Maoists.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:22 AM
149
Arundhaty. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for the heart touching report. It made me cry so many times.
How ignorant is Indian middle class about what is going on in the forests? How careless it is? Is this called development? Certainly not of the humanity of the mind. And what it came to me the most often when reading is the face and figure of the home minister, that swine. That pig is still working for monstrous corporations like Vedanta, not for the good of Indian people for sure...Is this India's great democracy? Shame, shame, shame...It's ruled by brahmins and the two blocks of Cong and BJP are just a farce to fool the people. Both are pressing for the same agenda, both are equally criminal...
I can't tell how grateful I'm to Roy for the masterpiece she made and congratulation to Outlook as well. You have almost broke a taboo by publishing this story.
janez jalen
Ljubljana, Slovenia
Mar 25, 2010 11:24 AM
150
Okay maybe the personal attacks are a bit too far.
But you have to admit, this is psuedo-liberalism at its worst,
The relevant point is that this far-left maniac is siding with those who have burned down a village, just because the villagers refused to join them, what friend of the poor would do that? What of their rights?
I'd like to make my stand clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT OPERATION GREENHUNT,
The problems of the poor have to be addressed by bringing in the soft power of the democratically elected government, But you have to make sure that those building the Hospitals are not attacked.
The State might be a terrorist, And I emphasize might, but that does make the Maoists freedom fighters.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:49 AM
151
A pitiful propagandist you are Narendra. Have you read the Roy's article at all? Do you know in what fashion schools are built and for what they are used? You wouldn't let people live other way than yours, no? Everyone need to live according to your stupid model, for example: sipping Coke and watching stupid TV, going around with your pitiful Tata car. Or maybe you've grabbed enough to buy a Honda? Infrastructure and mainstream model of development brings only harm to these people, don't you understand. It brings stupidity you very mind is promoting.
janez jalen
Ljubljana, Slovenia
Mar 25, 2010 11:54 AM
152
Narendra, what is liberalism then. if expressing sympathy for the poor is called pseudo liberalism, what is then proper liberalism. This is a piece of subjecive journalism. a point of view which we do not ususally hear. you have to thank her for that. i do not think she is saying bombing of schools is right. question is what are those buildings used for. not for education but for housing paramilitary. this is a guerilla war and they are fighting it the way it is meant to be fought. we might not agree with their tactics but we are not in their position. Calling Ms. ROy a far left commentator does not take us anywhere. we should try to mobilize the civil society to act as a mediator between both sides. i believe such attempts have been tried. The maoists in lalgarh have said hey are willing to talk provided certain members of intellegentsia act as mediators. and what does chidambaram do. says everyone who does not toe govt line is a maooist sympathiser. are we living in Bushland or what. Its still Us Vs Them going on. we are all part of the same country, damm it. this piece just gives a glimpse into the history and oppression of these people. i do not think Ms. Roy is a far left rabble rouser or she would not have the credibility to write in this publication. we should stop and reflect quietly what is going on in our names. with our tax money. finishing off our own people.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 12:35 PM
153
Meaningless! The first word that came to my mind about my own work! And I do what is we call "Peace Building". After reading Arundhati Roy's conversation with Maoist while walking with them and giving light to the hidden truth that no democratic government will ever allow to be seen! grateful for the insights for which she risked her life...
And now it is important to remind myself that every bit, including my work is useful, yet it is important to realize that we are living in the midst of violence,and wee need to do every litle bit without giving up, In Peace.
Agyatmitra
Pune, India
Mar 25, 2010 01:29 PM
154
Proper liberalism is where each and every citizen is taught democratic values, this is not the case in India, this is why the Caste system still exists.
Majority of the populace does not get proper education, this is the cause of poverty.

Praying for the poor who were driven out of their homes by the pollicemen is fine, but what of the poor people whose village was burnt because they refused to join the Maoists?
If the politics of development are to be condemned, then so are the tactics of the Maoists.
Consider the following scenario,
Chidambaram meets with Kishenji, they come up with an agreement that the Majority of the revenue from the mining will be used for development of the area and building civil infrastructure(Hospitals,schools) and that the Maoists Abjure violence and contest elections.
If this is how things work out, Then Great.
I'd even consider Kishenji a hero, but there are reasons to believe this is not what the Maoists want.
You are absolutely right in saying that the civil society groups should resolve this situation, but I genuinely ask you what kind of a truce would you suggest, that will cause them to lay down their arms .
I never said that the security forces are heroes bringing in order and prosperity.

And trust me, her sponsorship do more harm than good to their cause.
If any other journalist comes up with an article which actually highligts their plight, and does not romanticise and glorify the people who blow up a bus carrying civilians, then it's fine.
I'm merely suggesting that the Tribals are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 01:53 PM
155
the reality is complicated. we know such a deal is unlikely. although desirable. i would still have reservations about environment as bauxite iron ore mines are highly polluting. but that is still far away from this discussion.
the real problem is how to make these people feel they too have a voice. which right now i believe is coming through maoists. there is probably a tribal non tribal divide in representation of the maoist leadership that this article doesnot bring up. if that be the case, then they are not the true representatives of tribal interests. but right now they are the only voice we are hearing. so i think the state should stop such jingoism and try to talk. 60 years of injustice cannot be mitigated in a year. but at least we can start without always blaming each other. can we assure certain human rights and dignity to the tribals who we hae ignored for so long. convincing them they will be redressed is the biggest challenge facing us now. but given the track record of the state, i am not too hopeful. this will probably turn into another bloodbath while we keep arguing on the web. as for ms. roy, i commend her reporting but i do not agree with her views. having said that, in a democracy all views are acceptable and should be debated as long as they are explicitly hate speech.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 02:03 PM
156
A quick read of the narrow-minded, vicious comments published here as a response to Roy's article convinces me of the need for a revolution in India.

Roy is the only voice of conscience of an India that is blinded by corporate greed, political corruption, imperial hubris, and utter injustice to its common people.

She may be a small person but her towering courage and boundless love for the downtrodden makes her a giant among Indians and the world.

Lal Salam to Roy! Your courage is an inspiration to all. Revolution is inevitable. Nepal today, India tomorrow! Inquilab Jindabad!
Alfred Abdul
New York, United States
Mar 25, 2010 02:31 PM
157
'Alfred Abdul' says:



>> Lal Salam to Roy! Your courage is an inspiration to all. Revolution is inevitable. Nepal today, India tomorrow! Inquilab Jindabad!


I have this feeling that the FBI
would be interested to get to know
you. You know, that thing we have
about Revolutionary Commie nutters?


To a 'lal' hell with the likes of you.
Murtuza Polen
NYC, United States
Mar 25, 2010 02:37 PM
158
We don't want a large, massive offensive(the one that is going on).
But at the same time the suggested compromise is not possible.
But we could try moving in feet instead of running in miles.
Instead of a bloodbath we can do this,
Build more schools, hospitals and roads, feed the people.
We take a slow and steady approach while dealing with these people, We bring in social infrastructure slowly,village by village,district by district.
Instead of an all out offensive(Which will only sow seeds for future generations of maoists) we do it over a period of time, at the same time making sure that the Naxals don't get any stronger.
If the Naxal kick in the pants gets the government to do just what they should have done decades ago,they are heroes not just for the tribals, but for the entire nation.
The problem with Roy is that she does not have a single good thing to say about India.
Is this really so?
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 02:41 PM
159
We waited for 60 years to even hear the voices of these tribals. It will take a long time to come up with a comprehensive solution to their problems because we have not really understood their problems that well in the first place. It cannot be decided overnight on the deadline/ultimatum set up by some MNC/corporate body/government-in-a-hurry. The Indian government needs to understand that we are not China that can implement "projects" overnight without a care of human rights. The human cost of a military campaign will be too high for us to handle in the future unless we become the next military China.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 03:03 PM
160
I read a lot of middle class becoming 5 to 25 and the poor getting reduced from 70 to 30 sort of comedies.25 yrs back the city of delhi/mumbai/chennai were all affordable to all classes.the rental rates were within their limits and if they save properly they can get their own small house/apartment.it was the same in most towns/large villages who do cultivation thrice a yr
the govt hospitals and schools were the only one for the rich and poor,politician and businessman and since the crowd was from top to bottom it helped the poor too(the standard of aiims is far better to the govt hospitals in lucknow or bangalore as the politicians and rich too get treated in aiims unlike the others).the govt schools produced many stalwarts which included many from the poor as they were the only source of schooling for all whether rich or poor/brahmin or dalit.
by reforms the cost of land/rent has shoot up and now 95% of the population cannot afford to rent/own a house in cities/towns.
the govt hospitals and schools have been mis managed as it is only the poor who visit them and noone who matters bothers about their state
the lower middle class aspires to be rich and get into the trap of putting their children in pvt schools and getting treated in pvt hospitals making them descend to poor very fast.the number of homeless have increased post reforms as in old india there were places for refugees like tibetans/roaming communities like gypsies,vangujjars and any skilled worker/group and coming and camping in villagetown was not resisted
now even biharis/north indians who work as labours/masons/drivers r not tolerated and reforms defenitely have a role in it.shivsena in 70s were against southindians who dominated the white collar govt jobs but now post reforms they are threatened even by unskilled labour.upper/middle/lower/poor class r all myths used by economists to cheat one and all.the cost of living has gone up several hundred times in the past 20 yrs and hence the suffereing of the poor and lower middle class has multiplied.
the tribals have been living like these for 1000s of yrs and any modernisation should be on their terms and not forced by some with ulterior motives.they will defenitely not be against dams and development if they r a part of it but unfortunately its not so.punjabis running from pakistan during partition were given land in delhi/chandigarh etc which were quiet precious at that time too and now value in crores but the poor tribals r given pittance. why can they be given land in all main cities which r under the govt if they really want to help them.
why cant they be trained and employed in railways/army/paramilitary forces etc which they r more than willing to join.
why naxalite problem aroses in areas where there r mixed populations and reddys/kayasths/bhumihars own the lands and not in nagaland or mizoram (the govt goes for cease fire with those tribals as it has realised that the entire population is tribal and they dont have any caste/group over there to play to their tunes.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 04:27 PM
161
It is great effort, great journalism. The pain can be understood only by those who loose their land to deaf & dumb government which still implement 1894 Land acquisition Act enacted by Britishers to acquire Indian land as per their convenience. Indian Government is doing what Britishers did to us through it's politicians and bureaucrats. These politicians and bureaucrats forget that they are part of us.
It is always easy to criticize by writing mails sitting in AC rooms and with fingers dancing on your laptop. Atleast somebody has tried to go to roots and analyze and address the problem which most of us are unaware of.
Pankaj Yadav
Gurgaon, India
Mar 25, 2010 05:10 PM
162
http://bratgaba.sule...uicide-or-murder.htm

In the context of the existing situation in our villages and tribal areas, I don’t think Kanu Sanyal could have had any other end. Remember the film Rang De Basanti? I have had many an argument with friends (who incidentally call me ‘jholawala’) about the end being too pessimistic – all the boys die – it was largely opined that the writer and director erred in ending the story thus. My opinion differed – there could have been NO other rational ending to that story. The boys (in the film) were up against the full might of a determinedly corrupt govt which had skeletons to hide – they had to be killed, there was no other way out; there was no way they could have won the grossly unequal battle and suicide would have been a copout.

Kanu Sanyal, likewise, had to be either killed, or he had to end it himself. There was no way he could win, and I guess, knowing that to be the only truth, knowing that the ‘system’ was too strong for mere mortals, he chose to end it himself.

Maybe we’d have paid more attention to Kanu Sanyal and his cause if he was named Che Guevara – just a thought. It is fashionable to have Che’s posters on the walls even though he had nothing to do with India, but a poster of Kanu Sanyal or any of his ilk would invite immediate arrest.

Get this - there are more than 400 Facebook pages on Che Guevara – just one of those pages has a ‘fan’ list of 350,000 (many Indians) – Kanu Sanyal has just ONE page – with a rich picking of NINE fans.
Bharatram Gaba
Bombay, India
Mar 25, 2010 05:38 PM
163
The Maoists are a solution worse than the problen,people.
Good governance is the only way out of this, we as middle class must make the government get the people out of poverty.
I don't want India to do the same thing to the tribals, what the "Australians"(Peter, Author of comment #23) did to the Aborigines or what Americans did to the American Indians.
But we must also make sure that we don't become like the Chinese civil war.
Why can't we take the Scandinavian route, Becoming a developed country with Inclusive growth.
Social Democracies like Sweden are the Solution, Not China and certainly not the license Raj.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 07:25 PM
164
I think the ket argument Ms. Roy makes is this
"The Indian Constitution, the moral underpinning of Indian democracy, was adopted by Parliament in 1950. It was a tragic day for tribal people. The Constitution ratified colonial policy and made the State custodian of tribal homelands. Overnight, it turned the entire tribal population into squatters on their own land. It denied them their traditional rights to forest produce, it criminalised a whole way of life. In exchange for the right to vote, it snatched away their right to livelihood and dignity."

How can the Indian state sell of land as its own and ignore the millions that have lived on it for centuries. Its the corporate land grab in connivance with Manmohan, Chidambaram and Sonia that is the key issue.
Girish
delhi, india
Mar 25, 2010 09:07 PM
165
Sabu, we have every right to call Arundhati Roy names...she is an anti-India b#$@! .She and her comrades will not relax till India is reduced to the level of Somalia and Rwanda, with no economy , no industry, no jobs, widespread anarchy, no laws , no police, no army.... that is the sort of India these leftists want.
Prashant
Bangalore, India
Mar 25, 2010 09:14 PM
166
To all those bleeding hearts that justify Maoist terror , do you really know what exactly will satisfy them . I am yet to see any Maoist demand that might remotely help the
tribals .

Point out to all us ( those who pass snide remarks from our comfortable couches) What is that they want , after achieving which they will lay down their arms . Dont just say what you think they might want - point out their objective as stated by Maoist leaders . If it has anything to do with Tribal plight I will agree I was wrong

Everybody has a grievance in India - does that mean you start killing everyone and plan to gang with every secessionist group in the land with a documented goal to breakup India - and Sabu can conveniently skip explain this by trying to mask Ganapathy behind a strawman - if he is a strawman who is not ?
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 25, 2010 09:23 PM
167
My dear Friends,

I must thank you that Outlook is dealing the Plight of Excludeded Land Sacpe as well as human Scape with so much so honesty as the Entire Intelligentsia,Civil society, NGO World bank Sposered world on Fire, Brahaminical Zionsit Media do justify the Economic ethnic Cleansing and Chidamabarm` Corporate war, it Exposes the EXTREME Violation of democratic norms, Civil and Human rights.

Arundhati Ray is NO Alice in Woderland.The Unprecedented Violence is the mainstay symptom of US Sponsered Free Market democracy and the Economic Disaster named Economic Reforms. Budget Allocation of 1,73,000 for Infrastructure sector, 1,37, 000 for Government Expanditure on the name of So called social sector flagship Proggrammes do not relate anywhere to these EXCLUDED Communities. It means Blind Land Acquisition and Exploitation of Natural Resources. The Neolibral LPG Mafia is Nothing New as it had emerged at the very moment of so called Freedom at Mid night with Power transfer to Brahmin Bania raj empowered with Pune pact and Co Opted Creamy layer Politics. While the Taxation and Resource Management were loaded against the majority Eighty Five Percent Indigenous aborigina Minority Communities, the Black Untouchables as the zmaindars and Princes turned capitalists overnight and Nehru adopted Mixed Economy with a Socialist face with Complete Control of Indigenious as well as Foreign capital and Monoply Houses. Fiscal policies were absent from the beginning and Monetary Policies were Targeted to cash Lequidity based on Borrowing and Governemnt Expanditure which created Deficit Budget system which could neither Mobilise the Revenue or Resource nor Genrate Employment while Indigenous Livelihood Crashed.

Urbanisation rate was Never less than THIRTY percent and it consisted the Slumdog Communities mainly belonging to the Aboriginal Landsacpe , the Centarl India who were DISPLACED enmasses on the name of development without Compensation or Rehabilitation. SC, ST Reservation or Quota would Never help them as the most of the Aboriginal Villages were Never Registered as revenue Villages. The Tamil and Bengali Refugees rehabilitated in the dandakaranya Project and else where Never had the OWNERSHIP of Land except in 36 coloonies in Dinesh pur Area of Uttarakhand. Now, Unique Identity Number project followed by Citizenship amendment Act is Targeted to KILL whatever Resisatnce Possibel as the CITIZENSHIP being denied the landlosers remain in No status of defence.

The Majority Masses stand DEFENCELESS stranded in the Corporate War of Mr Chidambaram. Kapil Sibal has opened up all doors and windows of Knowledge Economy. Disinvestment and Privatisation make the Reservation and quota Irrelevant. SEZreated Hundreds of FOREIGN Territorries within the Country. Scheduled area Emergency FUND NEVER Used. Scheduled Areas under Sixth Schedule always remained deprived of AUTONOMY. Scheduled Areas are Delimited to accomodate Land Acquisition. Agriculture kiled with Green Revolution and Gentcally Modified SEED, Fertiliser, medicine, Pesticide and chemcal Package. IPL generates Political capital with the involvement of shahsi tharur phenomenon amounting 1.42 Billion dollar which could feed all the School children countrywide for all the year round and which could fetch daily Rs 1,32 Crore from a MIS account in Post Office, if deposited.Political circus and cricket do not help our peole in an UNILATERAL Civil war and Partion within partition Condition sustained as All Out Monetary manusmriti Rule to feed the Killer Money Machine with ourBlood, Bones and Flesh for SIX Decades Full. Our people stand Defence less as they find shelter in an Ideology of Violence in a country of Naon violence as all the Ideologies Gandhi, Ambedkar, Marx, Lohia, Socialist failed to Express their Concerna dncommitment to the EXCLUDED Communities. No land reform and No social Justice!

Thanks ARUNDHATI who is emerging the leader of all Environmental Social Activists dislodging MAHASHWETA Devi who is rather Silent against the Economic reforms depending so much so on the Human Face of Mass Destruction. Provided N- Liability Act Passed, it would not need any Military Option as Bhopal gas Tragedy, Chernobyl and Hiroshima and nagasaki would be replicated without any Punishment, Execution or Compenastion.

Arundhati is doing the Most Important social service. I have visited many places as known as RED Corridor in Central India. I have no diffrence with opinion with Ms ray
Palash Biswas
Kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:28 PM
168
Though the Author of the previous comment makes some valid points(Green Hunt, N-liability bill), upliftment of minorities, he makes even Roy sound like a right-winger, see, this is what we have a problem with.
He is what is wrong with the countrty, he is the Far-left counterpart to Mohan Bhagwat.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:38 PM
169
@ Prashant & Pradeep: Yes you have the right to call her names. But that does not contribute to anything to this issue. It does not have anything to do with what she is or stands for.
Secondly, No one is seriously wanting India to become Liberia. It is ludicrous and you know it. But i becoming USA means we have to justify land grab by sending paramilitary, I refuse to sanction that. Pradeep will you give upp your house if tomorrw the police comes and tel you to do so? Whta the Maosists have repeatedly said is that POlice repression must stop and doctors and teachers must be allowed to come in. Now here they have a lot to blame themselves for too. But overall they resist land grab and give leadership to tribals who want to resist that. If you want India to be a neo colonial state, go ahead. But I warn you, it is not going to be so easy. It is very easy to talk about Scandinevia where you are dealing with 30 million people with same culture, religion etc. India is vastly different and much arger complex than that. We can start now. Ask our govt to stop the offenisve. If Maoists can join the govt and talk to govt in Nepal, I am sure we can do so too. Don't create this Bogeyman that they want to overthrow the state. We can make the judiciary more accountable and allow the NHRC to function with more autonomy to investigate crimes on both sides. Is the govt willing to do that? what has been our record for last 60 years? Its itching you people because you cannot really be drunk on IPL neither can you admit that these people have some serious issues that have resulted partly from our lack of consciousness about them. Arundhati says it is a Hindu State. Let me ask you, How many of us who went to govt schools were taugh the history of Adivasis or geography to show their demographics? But they are "Adivasis". LOl. so much for our pretense
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:47 PM
170
If not scandinavia then what?
US-Huge economic disparity 5% control 90% of the wealth
France-Huge budget deficits
Maoist China-Simply not an option
Sweden has high HDI, with proper economic equality.
And what has the population got to do with it.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 25, 2010 11:59 PM
171
But funny that Roy should call it a Hindu state, when she has done absolutely NOTHING to cover the Kashmiri Hindus,the Exodus of Hindus caused by Muslim fundamentalists in Bangladesh, the way the Hindus are treated in the Northeast by the Christians.
What about the fact that all of India's non-Muslim minorities are actually doing better than the Hindu Majority.
I may sound to paranoid to suggest this, but her articles smack of Anti-Hindu bias
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:17 AM
172
Sabu , You are still not answering my question .
What do Maoists want ? Declare Tribal areas in these 4 states aas No-go areas for police and Army and open hospitals and schools in all villages and theyand they will lay down their arms and participate in Panchayat elections?
Are you sure They are willing to participate in elections as they did in Nepal ? Can you let me know where you read that so ? I can point to a hundred articles where they have stated Maoists in Nepal have last their way . Just because you think they cant over throw the state does not make them any less a threat .
Dont you think Muslims have no serious grievances in India , they do . Does that mean we should make peace with IM ?

Dont you think Kashmiri Pandits have serious grievances in India ? There are many many millions of marginalized people in India with many many grievances.

I know what ULFA wants . I know what LeT wants . I know what Khalistanis want and what Naga for Christ gang wants . I know what every other terrorist group in India wants and all their cause is directly related to their supposed grievance.

I donot know yet what will make Maoist declare victory , which is related to their alleged grievance and lay down arms . Do you ?

And Iam not going to engage in hypothetical did your mother get raped and were you kicked out of your house argument . You need not be a victim in every grievance to question the logic of the response .

Maoists are a terror threat with ambitions much bigger that solution to sum of all the grievances of the land put-together . Their presence in the land is a threat to the nation and the government has an obligation to protect the nation from Terrorist groups .
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:26 AM
173
Narendra, Social development does not take place in isolation. Sweden could do it becasue they are a small homogenous society sharing same kind of values and also conducive to forming consensus. In our country of 1.2 billion people we have a much more complex and difficul scenario. Various histories, various cultures make public action much more difficult. I would love to see social democracy myself with progressive taxation but I know that is utopic in a corrupt society like India. Her article exhibits nothing like Anti Hindu paranoia. What we read starting in schools is a sanskritized history. academics like kancha Ilaiah have written about it. As I asked earlier why aren't we taught the history of indigenous people? Does that not create grievance? if you were is saudi Arabia and were taught Islamic history while you were a original resident of that country won you feel aggrieved? Put yourslf in theri shoes and think.
As for not writing about people in Bangladesh, I can ask you why dont you write about Tutsis in Rwanada? or Aceh people in Indonesia? One cannot write about everything and should write what inspires him/her. she never tries to foment anti Hindu sentiment in her articles. shemerely draws a mention to our hegemonic mindset. if we are so secular why are you raising thses partisan issues? no one says what has happened to Pandits is good. But the fact remains even secular CHampions like COngress or Hindu nationalists like BJP have failed to address these. Ms. Roy does not run the country. she acs as our conscience keeper. if you want to do soemthign for them why dont you urge the aprties and media who are so busy tomtoming the Maoists? why don;t they ever cover the Pandits?
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:36 AM
174
Pradeep, Fine go ahead. send the army in. lets see if you can kill them all. past 60 years have shown we have not been able to do it. one fundamental difference between these people and nagaland etc are thatthey are not calling for secession. they are caling for social justice. they believe the indian state has lost its legitimacy after its shabby treatment of minorites for 62+ years. i for one do no think that. but sending army is not the way. let the NHRC hold a fairprobe. let the justice system prevail to punish both sides. engaging in meaningless war tal wont help. the Hamas have also said they don't want Israel to exist. Does that Israel is going out of Business. NO.
Iknow Maoists in Nepal have lost their way. I hope we can learn from them and engage them in amore meaningful manner.
In the present circumstances they wil not and cannot participate in elections. Do you know what happened in Andhra after the PWG leadership decided to resurface for talks? They were brutally eliminated. If this is the way the state operates why fault them for continuing violence. As the majority we have an obligation to make them feel secure and listen to them instead of trying every dirty trick to kill anyone who opposes land grab. why dont you go there and see what is happening?
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:55 AM
175
Sabu , I for one donot believe in the trickery that Tribals and Maoists are struggling for the same cause .
Iam sure Maoists using the Tribal plight is helping their cause , but Iam not so sure Tribals ganging up with Maoists are going to help them in any way .
In Andhra the Maoists tried to assassinate the duly elected chief minister - they were decimated as a response. And people of Andhra showed 6 months from then how they want to remove the same Chief Minister from chair as they didnt like what they got . Indian Democracy may be imperfect but that is the only hope .
Fine , current situation doesnt permit Maoists to participate in elections - but there should be an ideal situation that would permit .. can you throw some light on what that Ideal situation is ? Iam not interested in what you think would be acceptable to Maoists, I want to see what the Maoists say they need to participate in inclusive democracy .
Believe me , I have tried hard but yet to find a single instance where Maoists have said they will take part in democracy or allow room for dissent . No sir , they have no place .
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 26, 2010 02:18 AM
176
If they do not have a place, they will not have a place. i am not interested in what a ragtag militia has to say. i am more interetsed in the land grab issues and how to stop oppression of tribals that is driving them into the arms of maoists. and you are wrong to say the maoists and tribals are different. they are not. at least some of the tribals have been radicalized which is conviniently suppressed by media. http://southasiarev....he-lalgarh-movement/
He is the Chair of Hisory at Jadavpur Univeversity Kolkata. This is the part which is worrying. we cannot allow such a significant section of the population to think our democracy is a sham that some radicals want them to believe.

However maoists have signalled their willingness to talk. and ihope the govt does talk to them. we cannot geta solution overnight but we can start and avert a genocide. the attempt to kill naidu came at the same the time when greyhounds were perpetrating massive human rights violations in rural andhra. why do you keep focussing on maoists alone? why cant we talk about the state too in a meaningful way? this thread is becomng meaningless now. i'm off it.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 02:36 AM
177
Sabu, what about jobs, employment, development, progress? Have the Maoists/Naxals given even a passing thought to those issues? Or are they simply picking a cause, that of the so called 'tribals' just to increase their support base,heighten their profile, and carry out their own agenda, which is to grab power by any means. Do they have an alternative plan of development? If so, let's hear it.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Mar 26, 2010 02:57 AM
178
ask them to hear that. not me. or do some googling. you can find that out.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 03:02 AM
179
I agree we need to discuss the state with respect to its duty towards the people , the tribals in this case ( not in terms of state being sympathetic to the "misguided Maoist boys" )
The people in our country are not as powerless as you make out to be .
Can you tell me how much area do these tribals live and in how many Assembly constituencies they are a decisive factor to influence the results . How many Parliamentary constituencies they can win . Iam sure it is significant.
Iam sure even with 10 MPs they can drive a hard bargain and achieve whatever they want . They donot want a specific project in a specific area they have the power to put on hold. they want more royalty they do have the power to discuss . Was Mamta Bannerjee not able to push Nano away from Bengal ?
DO they feel their political power is scattered across 4 - 6 states and they need a contiguous area of influence ? let them initiate a struggle for their own state where they can influence every decision - they need to find a leader within themselves who can drive the change.
The state doesnt give way anything - there is a lot a competition to what little is available . It has to be taken by the groups by organizing themselves and achieving them political engagement - It might take long , it will be hard - but that is what democracy and compromise is all about .
I have seen what political struggles can achieve - Do you know the Language struggle by Tamils in the 60s - they achieved a political solution . Today we see Meenas fighting for what they think is their due right , Telengana and Ghorkaland struggles are on ..
Let the tribals decide on what will be the best political solution for their struggle is and engage in a political struggle .
And I do hope they see thru the Maoists and drive them away from their homeland . Afterall we all want to live in peace and achieve a secure , humane and prosperous nation.
pradeep
chennai, India
Mar 26, 2010 04:41 AM
180
There is an article by Aditya nigam in 'kafila' without actually mentioning Arundhati Roy (several other posts which respond to her) http://kafila.org/20...m-seminar/#more-3989
I think that this artcle takes some of the rhetoric and poetry out of Roy's article and presents similar points. Some quotes:
""....it would appear that it is rather the frenzied drive towards development that is breeding Maoist politics.
.......
It is important to understand that, at one level, it is not Maoism that is really at issue here, as both the state and the Maoist-aligned intellectuals would have us believe. It is really Indian democracy that is at issue. I have argued elsewhere that a deep split structures the Indian polity – a split between ’sovereignty’ and the rule of the extraordinary and the impulse of democracy.

The rule of the extraordinary, as evidenced in the rule through laws like AFSPA or UAPA/POTA/TADA on the one hand, and the indiscriminate manner in which violence becomes the primary mode of dealing with social struggles and dissent on the other, now structures our politics. Thus, even while Indian democracy can become the vehicle for the political rise of the dalits and lower castes, the seduction of violence at its peripheries always remains powerful for that is precisely where democracy gives way to a complete lawlessness of the Law."
Anandaswarup Gadde
Melbourne, Australia
Mar 26, 2010 06:06 AM
181
Very well put Mr. Gadde. I believe the Government wants to create a state of exception in our country whereby the pattern of discourse is changed. this movement is extraordinary in the sense that they do not want to seceede. they want to articulate their political demands that is incompatible with our established notion of parliamentary discourse. in a sense this is a challenge to the legitimacy of parliamentary democracy itself but unlike other movements this offers a purported model of radical direct democracy envisaged by Marx not our present Representative democracy. Hence he need for State of Exception. Certain for of discourse is being propagated through the media namely, they are against Developement etc etc. while certain other forms e.g. indigenous demands are being suppressed. What we do not realize today is that our evry foundation of understading of political knowledge is being shaken to the core. This is a crisis of legitimacy that the Indian state has never faced before
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 09:00 AM
182
DO they feel their political power is scattered across 4 - 6 states and they need a contiguous area of influence ? let them initiate a struggle for their own state where they can influence every decision - they need to find a leader within themselves who can drive the change.
pradeep
thats the tragedy of tribals in central india in comparison with northeast.it can be crushed in andhra as the ruling reddys and naidus rejoice on it while its not possible in nagaland or mizoram. whats the difference between a muivah saying we will never accept indian constitution and the maoist leaders in jharkhand/andhra/chatttisgarh. one flies from amsterdam,maintains his own army which shakes hands with indian forces evry day for rum bottles and are enjoying cease fire since 1997 while the central indian tribals r treated like dirt.its basically because of the zamindari like land owning reddys/kayasths and bhumihars.
not even a handful of tribals will know who was mao and since moaists r the only ones who are ready to fight with them (they may have ulterior motives)they have no choice than siding with them.mizoram is ruled by ex terrorists and their next generation and the govt is bending on its knees to have a similar solution with the nagas/meiteis/kukis unlike the central indian states where the upper castes want extermination of the tribals.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Mar 26, 2010 09:15 AM
183
Sabu,I never said Social democracy is easy to achieve,
But it's not impossible, the thing is it HAS to be acieved.
I genuinely request you to suggest a suitable "possible" alternative to Social democracies.
Look, The Chief minister of India's most populous state has filed a case against bees, her predecessor just made perverted comments on women.
Humane development has to be achieved ,however herculean it may be.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 09:18 AM
184
I mean come on, we gave the License Raj a chance, so why not Social democracies.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 09:27 AM
185
Before I make this comment let me make this clear - I love my country India as much as anyone else. This is to make sure that I am not labelled anti-India as is done to anyone who speaks on its weaknesses these days. The Indian parliamentary democracy is rotten to the core. The election process is a sham, an eyewash in the name of democracy. Yes, the people do vote - more than the Americans do - but it is like selecting the least rotten potatoes from a sackful of rotten potatoes. It serves no purpose - the looters reach the parliament and start the loot of this nation. They pass every bill except the ones the citizens want them to pass - foremost being a strict anti-corruption bill. Now, some will say it is rotten but it is the best option for us. How on earth can a rotten item be the best option? Some say it will take time to improve the system but with the same breath they say India is a mature democracy. So, if a mature democracy has an immature system, isn't something wrong somewhere? "Chalta hai" is not just a cliched expression - it is a cancer that we all are affected with, which we all falsely believe to be our symbol of nationalism. Helpless at the functioning of the system, we say "chalta hai, hamara desh phir bhi achha hai". Yes, we can ask the tribals to fight elections but do we know that fighting elections is a multicrore business transaction? A few IIT people decided enough was enough and formed a party and decided to fight the elections. As was inevitable, they lost their deposits in the election and the party is no more heard of! If educated folks can't "fight the fight" of elections do we believe that uneducated innocent tribals stand a chance? The system has effectively driven this point into the minds of the masses - especially the middle-class - that to speak against the system is to speak against the nation, which is NOT. The nation is much more important than the system. The system can be changed several times to improve the nation. If one really loves the country, one must be willing to analyse every aspect of the system.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 09:43 AM
186
I am accused of being non-secular raising partisan issues when I talk about aggrievances of Hindus, but when Roy glorifies people who burn villages, she is progressive,
This is exactly what fuels Hard-right Hindu Nationalism.
I agree with you that we were not taught about tribals in our schools,forget tribals I don't remember a single lesson on The Prophet Mohammed, but the thing is, if these plight of these Hindus is not addressed by these parties, their sympathisers will follow a rather bloody path.
Remember, in Germany, It was the Far left that fueled the Far Right.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 10:03 AM
187
Reader Man,
The System IS rotten to the core, hopefully the Maoists will prove to be the much needed kick in the Pants, but they seem to be worse than the problem.
The middle class is outmatched by the uneducated,easy to manipulate poor in the same manner as the Rich in terms of wealth.
There is no alternative other than educated, empowered populace.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 10:11 AM
188
Someone wrote about jobs, employment and industry. That is the difference between us middle-class people and the tribals. The tribals have never worried about employment or industries for centuries. Theirs is a living with nature and her resources. Ours is a living dependent on the corporate/industrial world. The tribals can survive any recession or lack of industrial development; we cannot. The problem arises when we decide to take over the lands of the tribals to increase our industrial growth and our employment. This cuts off the tribals from their resources - rivers, forests, etc. That is when their survival is pushed to the limit as has happened in the Indian hinterland. We cannot impose our way of living on the tribals without their wanting to.

Another hindrance the tribals face is their inability to tackle the corrupt Indian system. The Indian system is less of a burden on the rising middle-class, unlike a decade ago, because we now have the money to pay through the mazes of this system. We can pay the police, the courts, the railways, the land revenue, the posts, the income tax, etc. but the tribals cannot. If a forest officer catches us hunting wild animals (recall a famous incident), we can pay up and escape, but a tribal has nothing to offer to these officials and lose whatever they have if they are caught up with the law. To us the corruption of the Indian system makes little difference because we now have the money to pay. But if our money flow is blocked and if we start losing our valuables paying up the corrupt Indian system, will we be so tolerant of the system? Perhaps that is why jobs, employment and industrial growth are so important for us.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 10:36 AM
189
we will see. at least people like us should try to form a consensus. civil society is a powerful instrument if mobilized perfectly. we will see. one thing is for sure, the poor will not take anything that is thrown to them lying down anymore. we are still a young democracy. considering the american or british experience, we still have to be proud of what we have achieved most notably managing to stay as a union after 62 years.
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM
190
He was a candid man, the SP: “See Ma’am, frankly speaking this problem can’t be solved by us police or military. The problem with these tribals is they don’t understand greed. Unless they become greedy, there’s no hope for us. I have told my boss, remove the force and instead put a TV in every home. Everything will be automatically sorted out.”

Hahahahaha - Greed and Development. Well said indeed!!
Girish
delhi, india
Mar 26, 2010 11:53 AM
191
"Its only self-loathing idiots like you who believe these pseudo human rights activists."

--Prashant (Melbourne? Really?) It is very evident from your language that your haloed and cozy middle-class sentiments have been deeply hurt by Roy's tirade. I sympathise. But going by your foul mouth, I don;t think there is any reason why you are worth a civilised discussion.

@Gayatri Devi

Your very premise is wrong (I am assuming that Harish you have addressed your post to is me). Amartya Sen did not win a Nobel because he accused the rich of being the root of all evil.

It was Sen's work, which showed that it is not the lack of resources but the lack of a distributive mechanism that causes famines and shortages, which led him to a Nobel. And remember Sen was the first developmental economist in years to have won a Nobel. Usually, I was told, the award goes to stock market wizards and free market fanatics.

As for the anti-Bong accusation against you, well, let me clarify, I do not share that view about you.

Why are we so agitated when someone points out the serious flaws in our system? Why should an anti-establishment person be termed "unpatriotic"? Why should Roy be pilloried for setting forth a point of view that is opposed to the mainstream? All this only shows our deeply embedded hypocrisy.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 11:58 AM
192
@Reader

I completely agree with your last post.

We are obsessed with comparing people using our own narrow yardsticks. We seldom think out of our lulled existence and conditioned mindsets. And when someone tries to get us out of that comfortable stupor, we bark back a them!
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 12:57 PM
193
Harish,
I applaud the author who shows us the reality in India, like the one about farmer suicides, who calls himself a proud Indian unlike Roy, who calls herself a walking republic.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:17 PM
194
I don't see any reason why one should discriminate between the messenger who thinks the message is important and the one who thinks he is bigger than the message. As far as I am concerned, it is the message that matters and am thankful to anyone who brings it to me, irrespective of his/her own mental make up.

As for the "walking republic" term, I think we are all walking republics -- with individual thoughts, views, and personalities. I don't see why that -- along with my urge to question everything -- would make me "unpatriotic"!

In a country where the dominant paradigm is "gimme more", particularly in the post liberalisation era, it is extrmely important to have the likes of Roy (even with their shrill rhetoric) as checks and balances.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:17 PM
195
Narendra, We are a secular socialist republic accordin to the preamble of our consitution. what is wrong if she calls herself a walking republic? are we going to censor free speechnow? as for being patriotic, short of wartime the ultimate act of patriotism is to criticise your country so that it becomes better even if that means you are putting yourself at risk which is exactly what Ms. roy is doing. As for pseudo patriots who wear Tirangas and swear by the country, I quote Dr. Samuel Johnson, " Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 26, 2010 01:29 PM
196
I find Arundhati Roy better than the Maoists themselves, the likes of Advani and Modi, the Sajjan Kumars and Rajesh Pilots and the Thackerays, the Islamic extremists.

She does not commit any crime. She does not break the law. She does not use the garb of a presentable image and the protection of a political party and official machinery to perpetrate genocide.

All she has been asking is a better deal for the downtrodden and suppressed.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 02:44 PM
197
Good points Sabu and Harish,
The right way to go about it is through civil infrastructure, the tribals need doctors and teachers, but you also need a policemen to protect them from the Maoists.
Roy dehumanizes these very policemen and glorifies those who send them back,
Tell me if I'm wrong when I say we have a highly polarized political spectrum.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 03:16 PM
198
@Narendra

You have got the sequence wrong.

If the nurses, hospitals, schools were there, there wouldn't have been any need for policemen to such an extent. Because then the Maoists wouldn't have had any leverage among tribals.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 03:24 PM
199
A mature democracy is meant to serve the interest of not just the majority and the privileged but most importantly the most under privileged and disadvantaged. Adivasis/Tribals are not a second class citizen of India to be hunted like animal by the Government sponsored terror outfits like 'salwa jamud' and ongoing police/security operation brutalising innocent women and traumatising the children. It is high time for India to behave like a real Democracy. Failure of the Government speaks volume about this crisis placing the reputation of India at a risk of international condemnation.
Rajesh
Sydney, Australia
Mar 26, 2010 03:29 PM
200
It takes guts for anyone to travel to Maoist country, believed to be a part of India. Arundhati Roy deserves praise for going where none of our armchair journalists go.
Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
Mar 26, 2010 03:53 PM
201
The counterbalance in the essay lies buried in a paragraph in the 21st page. Arundhati Roy echoes our misgivings about communist revolutions worldwide when she writes about the “party” being a genuine people’s party when it is the suitor, but doubts if it will remain so after the revolution. History tells us that it has never remained the same hence here too it cannot. Russia, Hungary, East Germany, Cambodia, China, Nepal and at home, the people’s government in West Bengal are enough as examples. Are comrades Chandu, Kamla, Maase and scores of others in the jungle aware? These innocents indoctrinated by a philosophy as heady as their mahua are caught up in the illusion of the perfect classless world. The need to believe in something better than their miserable existence has placed them betwixt the devil and the deep sea. A generation of young will die in the forest to live the delusions of others. And the country will move on. What the essay tells us about the mining companies and politicians sounds plausible. The poor will remain removed from the dream. The dream will be lived by the others. God deliver us from this indecency of living. Or send us an Avatar.
samrat chatterjee
Raipur, India
Mar 26, 2010 03:53 PM
202
Harish,
You say the sequence is wrong, OK, so what is the right sequence?
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Mar 26, 2010 04:01 PM
203
Narendra

I had give n it there. "If the nurses, hospitals, schools were there, there wouldn't have been any need for policemen to such an extent. Because then the Maoists wouldn't have had any leverage among tribals."
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 26, 2010 04:16 PM
204
Policies followed by our governments have been killing million of people directly or indirectly, annually. Economic deprivation, then, is putting millions in queue for coming years. A consolation for anyone is that there is no scarcity for people here to become martyrs on the altar of anti-people policies followed by our great leaders! Now, compare the number of people dies out of terrorist activities and that of selfishly pursued policies of these saviours of democracy and realise who are the real terrorists and who are abetting terrorism!And you spend a lot of money to make bombshelters for a dozen of them. Tusi great ho!
Pradeep
delhi, India
Mar 27, 2010 12:00 AM
205
Jobs, development and progress trump the tribal way of life, and the romanticisation thereof, that some people are expressing. At the same time, the development should be inclusive and as equitable as possible, without turning to communism.
But if the advocates of the Naxals and the "tribals" have some viable alternative model of development, then to repeat, it would be wonderful to hear it. It's not enough to assert that development is bad, the Indian state is bad or even the anti-naxal operation is bad. What we should be seeing is the Naxals and/or tribals saying "This is the right way to develop the rich resources, provide employment and achieve industrial progress, while benefiting the greatest number of people. And we will stand by our way".

Is that hoping for too much?
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Mar 27, 2010 01:47 AM
206
I don’t see this essay as a fantastic piece of journalism. I see it as the work of a writer/activist who has already made her position very clear through her earlier writings and actions. She stands for the poor, the dispossessed, and the ones whose voices are not heard no matter how hard they shout. I do however, for the first time, have some serious difficulties accepting what Arundhati Roy tells us here and how she does it.

The romantic picture of comrades in the jungles does not speak for all of what is going on in and around Dandakaranya forest. At the end of 2008, I was in Gadchiroli to do some research. For two weeks, I traveled and stayed in different villages Throughout my stay, the term Naxalite or ‘mama’ (maternal uncle) was used broadly to define the gun toting men and women of the Dandakaranya and they had cadres in every village. The stories I heard were quite different from those in this essay.

I heard about the murder of a local leader trying to organize his community. More than one person told me that a politician, afraid of the man’s rising popularity paid the Naxalites to kill him. A man, who was in the jeep the leader had been hauled out of when it stopped because a felled tree blocked the forest road, pointed out the spot to me where he had been told to return the same evening. The body of his boss was hung on a tree once they had shot him. I heard that Ballarpur Paper Mills pays the Naxlas to cut the bamboo from the forest and that the Naxals in exchange allow the mill owner to develop the road leading to those forests just enough to let him carry the bamboo out. Once that is over, the rains wash away the badly constructed road. The village residential schools at the top of the bamboo rich hills that receive government subsidy to feed tribal children, have to tank up on food supplies before the road disappears for the whole of the monsoon season. I heard that there are two job opportunities for people in these villages – the state or the Naxalites. That people from the same families are either in the police force or Naxal force – killing each other with guns. All poor. All desperate. All with little other choice. Unless of course they can manage to feed their families with one rice crop a year. That is, if it rains. I heard the Naxalites will not allow ‘development’, yet traders from Bengal have been allowed to set up businesses – for a price. I heard that nurses and doctors sent to posts in these areas don’t just see is as ‘a’ punishment posting but a punishment posting to the power of a hundred. They vent their hatred on the tribals they are supposed to treat. Same goes for the teachers. I heard that a non-violent Gandhian doctor providing desperately needed medical help was threatened so badly by the Naxalites that he had to escape at night from the area never to return. I heard that gun toting Naxals had walked into the compound of the devoted doctors Prakash and Mandakini Amte, who have been the only hope to injured and diseased people, including the Naxals themselves, for 40 years. They had shot somebody who was recuperating on the premises of the hospital. These premises are also where I stayed for a few days with my husband and two seven year old boys. Very close to the gate with the unarmed chowkidaar.

Unlike Arundhati Roy, I didn’t fall into deep sleep at night in the Dandakaranya forest. There was little chance to enjoy the forest, stars and the beauty of the villages with their ‘simplicity’ for me. Because one ‘necessity’ was missing. I didn’t have a friend or a comrade with a gun. I lived in terror and I didn’t sleep much. Could this be true of others like me, without guns and/or comrades with AK 47s to protect or surround themselves with?

Unlike Arundhati Roy, I wouldn’t dare to post the images of the people I made photos of with quotes of what they told me. They don’t have guns slinging from their shoulders so I can’t possibly give them a ‘name’ and a ‘face’ on my blog or any other magazine that would want to hear their story.

But I do remember the face of one such man very clearly. He told me he was caught between the guns of the state machinery and the guns of the Naxalites. Then he went on to work on the renovation of his hut. The tools he was using could have belonged to the Stone Age.

I am no fan of the machinery deployed by various official, corporate and media forces that work overtime to push the poor and dispossessed who are increasingly ‘falling into the hole’ as Arundhati so eloquently puts it. However, I have heard with my own ears in Gadchiroli the voices of ordinary villagers –the poor, dispossessed and unarmed say in no uncertain terms, that the Naxalites are the one stop shop for the violent settling of scores. Any scores.

Unfortunately no one told me of water harvesting schemes and the like that Roy got to witness in the part of Dandakaranya that she was in. And unfortunately after the first few days of hearing the stories I heard, I didn’t ask because I never made the connection between murders and water harvesting. My fault.

In the TV interview in the program ‘The devil’s advocate’, Karan Thapar asks Arundhati Roy if she would be willing to talk to the Maoists if the state would stop Operation Greenhunt. She smiles and replies that she is ‘just an individual’ who can do little to influence them. I think Roy doesn’t project herself as ‘just an individual’. She writes and expresses herself in any forum she is in like she knows she has clout and she can and will use it. And in ‘Walking with the Comrades’, she claims she bonds in friendship with the highest in the Maoist echelons.

So I feel I also have to ask her if she would be willing, for the sake of the dispossessed for whom she stands, to walk and talk with the comrades, if Operation Greenhunt is indeed lifted.
nandini bedi
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Mar 27, 2010 05:01 AM
207
You must hand it to Arundhati Roy.She is one of the most talented spin doctors this country has ever produced.
Narendra Vasireddi
Boston, United States
Mar 27, 2010 09:11 AM
208
"This is the right way to develop the rich resources, provide employment and achieve industrial progress, while benefiting the greatest number of people. And we will stand by our way."

Varun, that is the line spoken by all mining companies. That is not the line spoken by the tribals. The tribals have had a history of being cheated and exploited with such lines from ancient times - from rajas of yore, to the British, to the present Indian government and corporations. They know by experience that they will be the "bottom-feeders" in this development scheme offered by the giant corporations. It is natural that no tribal will rise up higher than a manual labourer in this "harnessing of natural resources". Yes, the corporations will strike a double whammy, they get to lay their hands on the rich natural resource and they get dirt-cheap labour from the tribals.

There are numerous other ways of development in this tribal belt without exploiting its resources, its ecology and its people. But why is the government adamant on only one way - that of mining? The answer is not very difficult to find.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 27, 2010 09:33 AM
209
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 27, 2010 09:52 AM
210
thanks for the post Nandini. There are corruptions among the ranks of maoists. we understand that. it is a shame we had to take up guns to silence dissenters on both sides. i hope both parties come to table to talk
sabu
kolkata, India
Mar 27, 2010 10:27 AM
211
Red salute to Ms Roy and the editor of Outlook to stand against the tide of state directed media. We want more and more exposure of state brutality and the story of resistance of toiling masses. State is for the sake of people, not the opposite one. People have the right to decide how they like to live, which system is better for their survival. A true democratic environment is necessary for that.This can be achieved only active participation of masses,not by multinational's grace.Multinationals know only profit.Not only the adivasis but the whole planet is in danger for their way of making profit. Heartiest hatred to those urban fellows who are angry with this story. Their devil brains are worried seeing the depth and expansion of Maoist movement and feeling the loss of residue they are getting from their master state. But no reason to be delighted for Indian State as these fellows will ever participate in the war for their beloved State. We must watchful as they can not join in the victory march of the toiling masses. They must have to face in front of people’s court.
Ranabir Roy
Agartala, India
Mar 27, 2010 10:31 AM
212
“I’ve been thinking,... what this country needs is revolution.”
-Arundhati's mother, the women's rights activist Mary Roy.
And.. along with Comrade Kamla, Arundhati is 'marching,
not just for herself, but to keep hope alive for us all.'
When such is the case, it is stupid to pat her shoulder,
saying 'Bapka Beti' (like father like daughter). I have a reason to say that.
It's now time to say 'like mother like daughter.'
Notice, the Comrades she met and described in details are mostly women.
She had a keen interest in depicting the picture of Female Comrades.
Her account of the movement has an underlying current of woman liberation.
This is a message to India. The upraising of woman in that area can be an inspiration to all. Comrade Niti is coming...
AHMED SHAMIM
New York, United States
Mar 27, 2010 10:58 AM
213
I am thrilled to see postings from Murtuza for his point of view is so close to mine that I no longer feel all that lonely as a Muslim posting here. For that matter I have two brothers who have similar points of view.

Now my two-bit regarding Miss Arundhati. It never ceases to amaze me how naive the extreme left is at times. She goes to meet these Maoists and that is courageous. She gives them a voice and that is her right. But there is a tone in her writing that rubs me the wrong way i.e. "look at the emancipated courageous men and women who have taken up arms against the jackbooted government criminals who are always lying and these Maoists are the ones telling the truth." Hogwash. Without a doubt there are/were atrocities committed against the tribals but the solution is not too take up arms but to organize and particpate in the democratic process. The other path leads to anarchy which is where Ms. Roy's sympathies lie. Nonetheless I will still speak up for Ms. Roy's right as a citizen of our mighty country to speak her mind and for us to listen peacefully even if we do not agree with her.

One additional thing did anyone notice how Arundhati criticizes the government for not doing enough for the tribals and then she calls the companies that are trying to develop the area mere colonialists! How does one develop a place in a capitalist system? By using the resources of production in the area to produce value added products and paying decent wages to labor that is progressively more decent than at the very first. In this process countervailing forces such as unions can have a role to play but are not always necessary. But these neophytes who produce nothing of value themselves always want someone else to pay the checks that their bleeding hearts keep writing.

In my opinion she and people like Kuldip Nayar etc are decent people who we are lucky don't run our countries and hopefully shall never be in a position to do so. They are gadflies but they do speak for the downtrodden and therefore we should listen but pay little attention to their solutions.
Frank Hawkins
San Francisco, United States
Mar 27, 2010 11:51 AM
214
Frank, there are enough people in the world who believe and many of whom have experienced that no-holds-barred capitalism is not the panacea to the problems of countries like India, which still have a lot of respect for their culture, tradition, and values of the multiplicity of their various people. I think you are not getting the point we are discussing here - tribals do not want to live their life the way we want them to live. Now, is anything wrong in that? Afterall they are not coming into our homes and forcing us to live like them. And surely you agree that every Indian has a right to live the way he/she chooses, as done they have for centuries and as guaranteed by the Indian constitution. The problem arises when we start moving into their homes, forcing them off their lands and imposing our plan of development on them without their consent. I am sure you too will find this unacceptable. For more than 60 years we did not find any reason to help them, so why are we so enthusiastic to uplift them now after we have signed 100 MoUs with mining corporations? The game plan is all too apparent for all to see.
Reader Man
Kolkata, India
Mar 27, 2010 12:19 PM
215
Marx formulated the theory of the exploitation of workers on the strength of the surplus value they created. If workers created no value at all and yet received payment, then who exploited whom? This is what is happening in PSUs and other govt run industries/ services.

An unabashed parasitism came into prominence thus, which benefited favoured organised workers and, above all, the army of office clerks.

The politicisation process at the root of this parasitism left no institution untouched, particularly harming institutions in the sectors of health and education.So, if we have unclean hospitals,dirty trains, shoddy health care system and poor educational institutions blame it on the ideology which has paved for exploitation in the reverse.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Mar 27, 2010 04:59 PM
216
It is interesting to mention that the same exploitation of minerals, water and displacement of natives is happening all over the world and specifically in my country Panama.

The main news yesterday was this:

http://mensual.prens...negocios/2136358.asp

Martinelli offers investors minerals (Google translation)
MARY TRINY ZEA TRINY MARY ZEA
mzea@prensa.com
Addressing more than 200 entrepreneurs from around the world, meeting in Panama, President Ricardo Martinelli pledged Wednesday to change the mining legislation to attract capital and exploit resources in the country.
The Panamanian president said that Korea, as a country, has expressed interest in investing in the mining industry and if this requires changing the Mining Code, it will.
"We will gladly change it [the law]. I want the Korean Government, along with shareholders Canadians, Americans and the stock exchange, to develop the mine [copper deposit at Cerro Colorado in Indian reservation of the Ngabe Bugle], " Martinelli said.
In Panama, there are opportunities for mining, and Cerro Colorado has proven reserves larger than in Chile Teniente mine, said the president.
The Korean LS-Nikko Cooper and the state Natural Resources Corporation (Kores) want to exploit the copper mines of Cerro Colorado, ahead of that country's embassy in Panama. “

This is capitalist globalization at its worst, and is happening in Colombia, Peru and all over the region.

Repeating the North American and Spanish genocide against almost the same tribal and native peoples of the conquest all over again.
NGOBE BUGLE
PANAMA, Panama
Mar 27, 2010 07:13 PM
217
Good work Ms.Roy to bring us the story of these people - our people. I'm not a communist and have not read Maoist philosophy - but I just know that the story connected with me. I'm an Indian, and it is a wound on my conscience to think that there are people in my country who have no choice but to take up a gun simply to 'live'. Can we bring them into the 'mainstream' by force? Tomorrow if some gold deposits are discovered under the place I live in, will much more powerful people than me use their power to displace me? and if I protest shoot me? The tribals are our people; we need to talk to them - listen to what they have to say; and address their concerns and needs. The govt of India cannot shoot so many millions - it is not capable of - and if does succeed - then there will be no India left - we would have destroyed the idea of India. All of us middle class will have blood on our hands. As it stands the tribals are not asking for the state to support them - they are self sufficient. They are less of a burden on our pockets than even the ministers and administrators who decide policy on our behalf. Tomorrow if we displace them, then they will not know how to survive in our cities and towns. They won't qualify for jobs, and will be forced to resort to desparate means for survival. the consequences are unthinkable. They must be engaged, the govt can't unilaterally decide what is good for the country. We need a public debate on this issue. PC - are you listening?
Rajesh Chary
Mumbai, India
Mar 27, 2010 10:07 PM
218
u bldy high caste hindus always conspired the slavery of this nation..categorized the adivasis as subhumans...
u licking the as... of britishers.. who starved to death half the population of assam bengal & bihar in first 50 yrs of their rule..which religion u are talking..the religion which annihilated the buddhists,decimated jainese,enslaved the locas...have a history of selling the nation to highest bidders for petty gains..hatred is in ur hearts & mind..and will never cease until the administration of our country is in the hands of few high caste brahmins and their stooges..
Shyamal Barua
kolkata, India
Mar 28, 2010 03:10 PM
219
It’s not their problem, it’s not her problem, it’s OUR problem, its INDIA’s problem.
The naxalite issue brings forth an age old challenge this country faces in its civil, social, economic existence. The country with its prosperity, is getting divided into 2 socio economic strata, one which benefits from growth, increase in salaries, access to luxury, ever increasing standard of living, new products to buy every year, never satisfying wants, new jobs & stock options etc etc & a strata where people still aspire to have clean water, electricity, jobs, staple food, social security, protection from exploitation, opportunity to improve their lives, education for the children and medicine. As India adds on GDP growth & Foreign Exchange Reserves, our political & social system is getting more insensitive to people who need help in this fight for survival. 60% of our population still survives on good monsoon as they depend on farming, these are the same people who need attention, who need help to survive in their lives and been counted as a citizen who deserves his rights to basic life, as you, me, the people who write, watch movies, drive cars, invest in stocks, use internet, have.

As a citizen of India, we need to think not what Arundhati Roy is doing as a person, where she goes or whom she talks or what she talk about, the question is, there is a factual real problem out there in our country, where poor people are being killed, they are being driven out of their homes, forced to take up arms, forced to violently retaliate on some issues which are dearer to them as human beings. Our poor citizens are being abused & children along with women are killed, doesn’t matter if they are villagers or policemen or politicians. Everyone is entitled in this democratic country to be heard, accepted, given his right for justice, punished for his crimes, judged by the court of law.

Today we face these social problems, because as a nation we are becoming, indifferent to others, we ignore each other, we don’t accept the existence of others, we are selfish, money minded,
We don’t want to hear what other want to say, we want to express our opinions judgments without understanding the facts. This is reflected not only in naxal problems but issues such as religious ideologies Hindus, Muslims or in city like Mumbai where there is eternal fight against people who are from North or South or West or East who have the right to live or work etc etc etc.

The only way to solve this issues is to accept that there is a problem, somebody someone has a complaint, needs to be heard, needs to be listened to. The acceptance that somebody else also has the right to be as much an Indian, as we who are fortunate to enjoy the bliss of this country. We need to change our mindset that they are communist or Marxist or democrats of religious hardliners or whatever and highlight address discuss the point that something has lead this people or somebody has made this people react in a way they are reacting. If naxals believes they idealize China as the utopian true socialist state, is to do more to what has happened with them in a democratic state like India, with their families, children, lives, which has lead them to the last resort of picking arms to protect their existence. We need to ask the question if something like this happened to us, wouldn’t we also be forced to think the way they are thinking. They are fighting for survival, their minds can easily be washed with any political or ideological propaganda, by anybody who does not want India to prosper. Specially our neighbors who would take this internal social struggle as an advantage, which is the truth.

India still has 60% of its population who live in villages towns, who don’t have access to things you me we take it for granted, clean water, electricity, food, shelter, education, standard of living, access to information, role model, exposure & experience. This is the same 60% of the population that VOTES. You me we who live in cities have a pathetic dismal records for VOTING. Political parties WIN & LOOSE because of VOTES. If this 60% of the population believes what is happening to them is not right, that rich people are getting richer & poor becoming poorer, INDIA will see a VOTING tilt, which will see the paradigm shift from democracy to more hardline governance, communism will top the lists. If we think it will happen in 5 billion years from now, we are into a big shock, a shift might take place in one generation, ie in the next 25 / 30 years, that’s 2030 or 2040, wherein India will also have the youngest population (18 years to 35 years) in the world, a mind which can be easily influenced.

Today as a citizen of this country everyone of us needs the assurance, that we can count on our justice system, our leaders, that to be a true democratic state we need to trust that when we are in dire need, others will raise their voices to help us, we need to trust that we will get a chance to speak, to be heard & judged fairly. That we will not be exploited because of our caste or religion. This is not difficult, it will just need few examples across the country to set the ball rolling. What we need is a start.

Arundhati Roy as a citizen has done her bit, are we doing ours ?
nitesh
mumbai, India
Mar 29, 2010 02:18 AM
220
Arundhati Roy in Outlook Magazine:

I was reading the entire article very carefully. The jarring note was Arundhati's prejudice exposed in saying" The Maoists are not the only ones who seek to depose the Indian State. It’s already been deposed several times by Hindu fundamentalism and economic totalitarianism."

She writes well and she has the gift of communication. But she also seems to suffer from some strange hallucinations of antipathy towards nations' own ancient cultural history. natural being brainwashed by western education and conditioned to believe that all old and Indian was fundamentalist.

Fact is her statement indicates deep ignorance and also arrogance of her own greatness to say what she likes. Very un- journalistic , considering that she set out to to find out the truth.


Human history shows there has always been clash of civilisations and one group exploiting another.

There has never been a time when full ideal free living without getting exploited by some one or the other.

Fact remains adivasis, aboriginals, Bhumiputras of Malaysia, Red Indians of US, africans, not well to do immigrants to any country, poor villagers who reach urban areas for a living, slum dwellers... the list goes on... all are exploited.

Strange it seems we liberate a group from clutches of one group only to exploit the weak in another form! The gun runners and merchants make money with these conflicts.

Arundhati truly covered the matter she set out to cover well. She made me travel the jungle. That reminded me of my time I spent in sub-sahara with poorly clad africans dust covered and practically dried up looking like sub-humans, scared of us and scurrying away from us. Very pathetic indeed! Drops of water and shade- a modicum of it-- are sought. But they live... yes, they continue to live.

Here in our forests the tribals were fighting over centuries even during Moghul periods and the dacoits were a reality, or even today a reality.

The kings made peace with them, the Britishers too in their own way, and even GOI tries to leave them alone if they can.

Looking back further Dandakaranaya seems to have hosted rebel and unruly elements even during Rama's time(?) not may may like this mention but, Rama as per record of Valmiki( a tribal), happens to have killed thousands of " rakshas" even female ones, like Tataki.
Well may be current writers can say Maoist/Naxal movement of those ancient times was also put down by the rulers?

Three to four hundred years ago most of the Europeans who created colonies had to kill the "barbarians" spreading almost over the entire world. All the natives had to be subjugated.

Then the land lords of Telengana too unleashed a reign of terror during Nizam period, and almost all land lords of agricultural lands in India during British rule, enjoyed unfettered rights to control thousands of acres and pay revenue to the British rulers. The wek and poor were exploited and a few who fought and escaped to jungles like Seetha Ramaraju, were killed as again some kind of state security threat!

Congress did very well to introduce land reforms and giving rights to small and weak. But the forces of exploitation thrived in the form of money lenders, practically exercising life and death power over them even after independence.

Even after 50 years farmers across India kill themselves helplessly unable to fight the system Vidarbha, Andhra pradesh come to my mind. Even today at least a double digit deaths would have taken place.

Tyranny prevails and humans have specialised. It is the case even in urban areas.

Take for instance services-- highly educated lot but how many of us have not experienced the tyranny of the system to force a conformity to the rulers' wishes? We invariably surrender to survive. Why did we not run away to forest? Yes a few do!

An odd IAS officer who went on hunger drive, then resigned and started own educational institutions! A brilliant son of one of my colleagues who excelled doing MBA etc, then vanished in to the poor villages of MP to serve the weak and down trodden. This boy refused to accept the cash attached to the prestigious Magsaysay award.. because it is the money from financial looters of western countries , he felt!

Then for every contract awarded in Mumbai, the man who gets the work must pay his respects to three political parties, then two mafia gangs along with a percentage of his contract to be able to finish the work and take his profit. Else he can never even start the work.

Same in forest areas. For every road work to progress, the local mafia, and Mao group has to be taken care of. So more projects, more funds for the extremist groups.Urban or forest areas do not matter.

The forces of exploitation collaborate too very well. The only losers are the weak and down trodden.

Olden days too, the paid henchmen lose lives as they do even today in mafia or gang wars or activities of Mao groups. The discipline is enforced by goondas with carrot and stick policy, and same thing happens in any extremist group. Talk of vlues and principles too is only a way of giving what it takes to keep your footmen in good shape to fight for your interest. Ploce footmen lose lives as well as Comrade Kamla likes! Both are innocent!

Humans are difficult to analyse. We think a clerk is too small and will remain exploited always. But the tyranny exercised by a clerk on a hapless guy who wants to move his file, has to be seen to be believed. Simple booking clerk to issue ticket at Kharagpur station, treats you with such a contempt when as a IIT student I used to present my concession form. Since I picked a fight, the clerk remembered my face. So when I presented the Green pass as first appointee in IRSE, one day in 1970, the same clerk, looked at the pass, then at my face, eyes widened, stood up from his chair, walked out and took me inside!!! I felt an odd sense of satisfaction still that mans gauky face comes to my mind with widened eyes, as much as the bulging eyes of the sub-sahran children-- they trouble my conscience.

There is inherent cruelty in humans. Most of the time those who are meek, who are said to inherit the earth end up doing so only to till for others.

Even after decades of education we help the rulers to exploit better using improved means of camouflage.

Globalised economy has only increased the depth and extent of exploitation on a very grand scale and the ruler is always the victor who writes not only history but news too.

Arundhati too is falling victim to her own need to nurse her ego. Genaralised condemnation is not the way a sensitive person like her should see the world.

My heart goes out to all the poor, downtrodden and weak whether in urban or village or forest areas who are merely used by those who are greedy and hungry for more power and pelf.


I can only pray for these hapless victims to whom crumbs are thrown in the name of reservations or some settlements or self-employment schemes ,all of which get operated again to fill pockets of the ruling class only; that wisdom will soon dawn in rulers who ever they are.

Honesty and commitment are conspicuous by their absence.

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B. Rajaram
Hyderabad, India
Mar 29, 2010 09:51 AM
221
"Tomorrow if some gold deposits are discovered under the place I live in, will much more powerful people than me use their power to displace me? and if I protest shoot me?"

--The crux, I must say. And yeah, you are expected to sacrifice for the collective good! And yet, they will not sacrifice the advantages that come of exploiting these sub-humans. Why? Because, after all, they have been exploited throughout history. There is nothing new!
Harish
Mumbai, India
Mar 29, 2010 12:18 PM
222
before anything else it is important for us to understand the objectives that the essay wants to achieve. why was it written? Definitley not to report the troublesor the killings or the now over 50 years old tussle betweeen the govt. and a highly motivatedgroup of ideologues. That might be one of the many auxillary objectives but definitely not the primary. I feel the primary reason why Ms. roy chose to spend a number of days and nights with the maoists and then write this gripping piece was to wake us all up to a very obvious but long forgotten fact-"Maoists are tribals but before that they are a people" Like all of us with their own joys and sorrows and celebrations and events and countries and maps and roads. THey are not blood thirsty mongrels driven by some satanic vengeance. They are struggling for a way out and they prefer to die trying than die anyways. They have been robbed of their countries, their livlihoods, their gods and nowthey are only left with themselves. It reminded me of the colomnial pre independence era. Their attack on the police armoury, their small decisive victories and defeats seemed like a repeat telecast of the revolutionaries from those times. Difference was there but just that this time the revolutionaries do not know where to drive the colonisers out to:colonisers who are much more advanced and lethal and cruel. Their weapons range from the insas to the aks to the free market, free media and 21st century capitalism. They have manipulated all and isolated these people so skillfully that perhaps once they are "wiped out", we would not miss them.
Ms. roy unlike many others who have chosen to write on this issuehas been obviously passionate and boased but perhaps it is high time we take sides. Dispassionate reporting ,bereft of emotions and opinion has confused the masses. Its time we feel socially threatened and react intensely and emotionally if we wish to contain the spree of self colonialism our government has initiated.
Media needs to realize its place and respnsibility in the society and prehaps this wonderful essay is the scratch we need to start from. I deeply thank Ms roy for her committment to our causes and congratulate the "outlook" to present it to the masses.
Anant
Dehra Dun, India
Mar 29, 2010 04:43 PM
223
rajaram bojji

the main reason for pverty in india is the increase in
population from 300 million in 1947 to 1,2 billion today.

pakistan is worse off. 30 million to 176 million.

there is not enough land, water,energy or liveing space
in cities.

surpriseing no one talks about this.

the hard working middle classes can not solve this problem,
even if they gave up most of their incomes and wealth.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Mar 29, 2010 04:43 PM
224
rajaram bojji

the main reason for pverty in india is the increase in
population from 300 million in 1947 to 1,2 billion today.

pakistan is worse off. 30 million to 176 million.

there is not enough land, water,energy or liveing space
in cities.

surpriseing no one talks about this.

the hard working middle classes can not solve this problem,
even if they gave up most of their incomes and wealth.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Mar 31, 2010 10:37 PM
225
Most everyone agree that Govt's perverse indifference, criminal neglect and oppressive treatment of the historically marginalized Tribal and Dalits is the root cause of this insurgency problem.
However, what this Commie Roy has refused to admit is that the Maoists are using these Tribals and Dalits as a pretext for over-throwing India's democratic (Western) govt by force of violence and imposing of their own Pol Pot-styled totalitarian Communist(Maoist) regime (an ideology which this Commie writer empathizes with).
And by now, everyone knows her most vicious and virulent frothing-at-the mouth hatred is reserved exclusively for those perpetuating Hindu culture- she never misses a single opportunity to demonize Hindus, its institutions and its defenders.
Case in point: last year, while giving a talk in Turkey, to curry-favor with her Muslim audience, she went into a prolonged rant against Hindus, their culture and institutions- railing especially against RSS, for their terrible habit of building schools, clinics, temples etc. Now, once again she's on the war-path against Hindus- and boy, is the 'secular' media, intelligentsia and arm-chair revolutionaries lapping it up like manna from heaven.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Apr 03, 2010 12:32 AM
226
> "...(Arundhati Roy) talked in details about India's modern history starting with India's opening of two locks- a physical lock of Babri Masjid and a symbolic opening of lock on India's market. Both have led to disastrous consequences for India. One has led to a party with fascist ideology becoming a force in India's political scene and second is responsible for the whole sale loot of India's natural resources.

"She talked about how Muslims have been killed in post-Babri riots and in Gujarat genocide of 2002. Arundhati Roy also talked about how draconian laws like POTA have been used to keep Muslim youths under detention and without bail. She also mentioned encounters which are summary executions have been used by Indian police to kill thousands including Muslims."

http://www.twocircle...ndian+Muslim+News%29
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Apr 06, 2010 05:20 PM
227
congrates arundhati ur men struck well engulfing 83 lives. why dont u live in ur thousand star hotel forever?
chetan rathor
delhi, India
Apr 06, 2010 10:03 PM
228
Are you happy now, Arundathi? 75 innocent lives have been lost, thanks to traitors like you who glorify maoist criminals.

You should be tried and hanged for treason and waging war against India, you are an enemy of India.
Ashwin
chennai, india
Apr 06, 2010 10:03 PM
229
Are you happy now, Arundathi? 75 innocent lives have been lost, thanks to traitors like you who glorify maoist criminals.

You should be tried and hanged for treason and waging war against India, you are an enemy of India.
Ashwin
chennai, india
Apr 07, 2010 04:21 PM
230
Why tribals fight? Do they want bank balance? Do they want a grinder ,a fridge or a car ?
What for are they fighting? Are they fanatics? brainwashed by some lunatic rogue?
None of these profile a tribal Adivasi.
They are not dependant on govt.employement,industry etc., they live with nature.

A very serious exploitation is going on of the tribals and their lands.
There has also been terrible humiliation like rapes, forceful evictions,looting of their little assets and eating their goats and hen by police.
The police were deployed there to terrorise the tribals so that they listen , so that they toe the line of mining contractors,land lords and big corporations.

Tribals do not know their rights and even if they know , they can do very little.
If middle class people were pulled out of their homes at night and forced to live in an enclosure of barbed wire , the whole nation would rise against it.
But when this is going on in Bastar district or elewhere with tribals nobody questions.
Jawahar lal Nehru wrote that even during war , the schools should be kept open and the educating of children should not stop.
In all most all tribale villages of Dandakaranya, schools were turned in to CRPF camps. Is there any incident worse than this in Indian history (modern India)??

Tribals usually do not stop fighting once they start it.
Emperor Jahangir was fed up and tired so he made negotitations with them.
Nizam of Hyderabad deputed the best anthropologist , a Britisher to study and understand why tribals instead of paying a few rupees of tax choose to fight for whole generations? He later on abolished all taxes for tribals.
Why tribals do not have an inferiority complex? like the modern city bred people?

Chidambaram thinks in terms of Operation Green Hunt!! the foolishness is mindboggling.

Why naxalites are getting massive support from people and why police ,even the best officers,including women officers do not get any support from people?

One of my classmates was in the Grey Hounds , so one day he told me that Naxalites were not separate from ordinary people, at least many of them were not.
Generally when they(naxals) blast a mine , they again comeback , to stand among the mob watching the whole tragedy.
All Maoists who carry arms do not carry them everytime. The arms are given to them by householdrers or supporters at a given time and place.
How do you fight with such a force ?

You can not sepearate them from mainstream public and that is where they differ from terrorists.
Anti-terrorism methods, those were adopted in Punjab or Kashmir would not be succeful against Maoists.
The problem is very diffrent and the solutuons must be different. The lame excuse that Maosts do not allow , developement activities is simple non-sense. Let Govt.surround the villages with its police forces, and take up the development work, which includes basic necessities like potable water,PDS,Primary health care, and schools for little children. Let them do it step by step village by village.

Those who run Govt. have double heads. Sincerety is now very rare. Even educated masses feel that Govt.machinary is simply the big humbug.
bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
Apr 07, 2010 10:34 PM
231
The adivasis/Tribals of Dandakaranya, would have been a happy self fulfilling group blissfully happy in their own small world if not for the exploitation all around.

They have been exploited by the huge corporations and the Governments first.

Then come the Maoists who have their own agenda and have got a new tool (the adivasis) in their fight against the adminstration to purport their ideologies. Especially so after their slow decomposition in AndhraPradesh. The poor tribals are being used as mindless troops that would charge to their deaths.


And the worst exploitation comes from the hands of self proclaimed messiahs like Ms Roy. I admit that she has quite a good writing style. But she uses this forum to abhor everything that she detests (Hinduism et al) and earn accolades for another piece of great journalism . Reminds me of the beggar lady carrying the child in traffic. Supposedly the child should not be fed lest it stops crying and the more pathetic the baby becomes the more the money that comes in.

Well the tribals could do without all these. The corporations, the administration , The Maoists, and The pretenders like Ms Roy. Just leave them alone in peace.
Rohan
Bangalore, India
Apr 07, 2010 10:53 PM
232
"Reminds me of the beggar lady carrying the child in traffic. Supposedly the child should not be fed lest it stops crying and the more pathetic the baby becomes the more the money that comes in."

Perfect analogy.
Maha
NJ, United States
Apr 10, 2010 05:41 PM
233
What a brave and marvelous article!
It seems there is ' Israel and Palestine ' right in the heartlands of India.
Ms Roy has done her job. Now it is up to us...
s george
kozhencheri, India
Apr 10, 2010 06:14 PM
234
oh oh oh! such and such number of innocent lives have been lost because of Roy's one piece!
You people's ignorance and stupidity is mind boggling. These people have been oppressed and tortured for millennia but your apartheidistic eyes were blind to that because you are the upper caste and what are the downtrodden but acyuts, right?
Now that they have taken matters in their own hands to realize their rights and human dignity, and Roy has written about it, she is the traitor and deserves to be hanged?
She is right, India deserves a revolution. The sooner the better.
Alfred Abdul
New York, United States
Apr 10, 2010 07:52 PM
235
hats off to Ms. Roy to bring out the truth and exposing the unspeakable and unconscionable atrocities perpetrated by the Indian government ,in the name of urbanization. And shame on the losers who deplore her, without investigating the truth
prakash
chennai, India
Apr 11, 2010 03:01 AM
236
Lol, now we know why ms.roy keeps writing one essay of absurdity after another..that so many ppl respond to her non sense.
btw looks like pretty well off gandhians these maoists are!
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264950
jayant
delhi, India
Apr 12, 2010 02:46 PM
237
Tejas Patel
Brisbane, Australia
Apr 12, 2010 04:10 PM
238
Ms. Roy doesn't seem to find anything worth praising in the country that she lives in, India is the very idea where the likes of her can express themselves, for all the satire and sarcasm ask yourself if you could write and express freely were you in Pakistan, Burma, Sri lanka or anywhere else.

For all the creativity seems to be aiming at choosing the photos that evoke pity and sarcasm at the India in which the rest of us "unliberated souls live". How about posting photos that show the dastardly acts and crimes of these very maoists, how about exposing the empire that runs this Maoist machinery of extortion, looting, smuggling arms to fight this war and please don't be so naive to explain that all this is rubbish and propaganda if it is so prove it. (of course you are only a writer for western audiences who are ever ready to heap awards on you and which you accept with so much deference ever to gain more of course)

Your entire article (you quote so righteously the statistics of torture by Indian officialdom of all hue, color and department you blame everyone from Forest, revenue, police, politician and everyone who is an Indian) but so easily become poetic about the criminality of Maoist followers and almost put them on pedestal about their escapades of extortion, arms smuggling and everything else equally illegal.

And to top it all you call them Gandhians with guns !!
How I wish you even understood Gandhi.. but it doesn't matter after all, your voluminous tirades are meant for the western consumption for more and more awards.

If you find so much that is not right with India, why don't you go and stay somewhere else and become more eligible for the awards you are so hungry for.
Aditya Trivedi
Bangalore, India
Apr 12, 2010 08:03 PM
239
What irks me about people who blindly revere Ms Roy's article is the complete lack of comprehension of whats as clear as daylight?

How much of this article talks of about the plight of adivasis. I can only read page after page of myopic reverence towards the maoists and their supposedly great way of adminstration .

How much of this article talks about the 1500 Cr and still growing empire being built by the maoists.... of course using the tribals as a front? 1500 Crs.... heck how much of it is actually spent on medicines and increasing the quality of life for the tribals eh??Probably the maoists spend just enough to make the tribals look up to the Maoists but not enough to get them out of their self loathing and definitely not enough to quench their anger towards the administration..
If the disease is cured, then of what use is the doctor ?? The Maoists know this very well and are using the tribals as a tool and I must admit they are getting success out of this method.

The Maoists are playing a wily game here . But the people who would lose out the most -both Life and property- are the tribals. And I just get the feeling that the pretenders like Ms Roy and her band of myopic admirers are just hastening the decline of the tribals, by blindly revering the maoists and trying to sway public opinion by highlighting the supposedly the GREAT WORK that the maoists are doing ............
Rohan
Bangalore, India
Apr 13, 2010 12:51 AM
240
I am now fully convinced that AR is a very good fiction writer. Have a powerful imagery and capacity to contemplate and imagine. She should go to Dantewada independently without the protection and invitation of Maoist. Talk with the Adivasis when Maoist are not around. Test their knowledge of Maoism.( AR has to first learn what maoism is). It is true that Adivasis are against Govt. But how much ther are with maoist has to be verified thoroughly with free and independent search. Adivasis are also there in Salawa Judum. Evins leading the Salwa Judum. AR should ask them why they are with such an organisation. She will come out with another fine story. Might get her another booker prize.
chandru Kalsi
Mumbai, India
Apr 13, 2010 05:12 AM
241
A deeply satisfying read.i will like to add...Personally,my vague memory is revisited when i read d line-Nagaa:Born to kill-left in d walls of burned villages' house.
Iam a Naga tribal myself but not of Nagaland State(Naga-inhabitated-area is divided into 4 states in India and Burma;A house in a village has international border passing through it)and ive heard stories of tortures which r mentioned in this article even by Nagaland police.
They recieve hefty,more-than-usual compensation if they r killed.
They have guilty conscience ultimately (although pressure make them act like animals) especially when their own brethen back home were/are tortured in the same way.
I heard Ppl dont want to send;they dont want to fight such battle but Central govt press very hard knowing their warfare-capability and state govt is weak.
Why not send Delhi police or Mumbai police where Tatas lived?
I guess like Ireland,Northeast India or even here brother kill brother when struggle is prolonged and pressured...but for those who r with the truth-Salute.
Iam glad 2 know 'greed' hasnt creep in yet with the Comrades...
Nobody can bring a person down unless the person allows it...
But what i feel most...A heartfelt sorry to the tribal villagers who have been an unfortunate victim of torture even when they've expreience centuries of exploitation...Sorry to the tribal comrades for waging a preverse war...
Had it been that the fight is between two soldiers-maoist soldier vs nagaland police-with provision of POW,human rights,etc it would atleast have been more bearable to hear..
But like AR have pointed out,revolutionaries have bad examples(n even good) as administrators...Be careful...like the beheading of a policeman is deplorable...
And lastly,thank you AR...i believe u r with the 'truth' even though unsophisticatedly not adding a good line or two bout India...
I trust u r only with the truth.
reisang
delhi, India
Apr 13, 2010 07:10 AM
242
To Peter Wignall (Brisbane, post #23), Ashok (Melbourne, post #26), Rajesh (Sydney, post #43), Rajaram Bojji (Hydreabad & USA, post #221)

Mr Wignall, I quote your statement below
>>>You start from the most miserable level of any Nation that has attempted it, with your "CASTE' system.
>>>Most Indians are cursed with an instinct to 'look down' and speak that way to anyone whom they think is less qualified than them.
>>>That is one reason why we do not welcome many into Australia. Your Ethics and Morals are different to any other people Worldwide.

Mr Wignall, I agree with all your statements, despite being an Indian. I must also clarify for the benefit of all Indians here that I am an untouchable. If that helps people to rationalize fine! But I thought I must make that clear upfront.

Let me also add that when Indians (Hindu) come into Australia (or go anywhere else in the world) they still cannot leave their caste behind. That is very evident in the Indian Associations around Australia. E.g. a High caste Hindu once said to me (not knowing that I am an untouchable) “the low caste women after coming to Australia start wearing trousers (and such modern dresses)…..”. This was a well educated gentleman in his Sixties with Australian born offspring!!!!!!

Mr Ashok, you are obviously very angry at what Wignall has said. As a result you have tried to paint him and Aussies as “Rednecks”. But by proving him a redneck do you and your CASTE system -- and more particularly your Hinduism -- get absolved of all of Mr Wignall’s observations? Does that absolve the Hinduism of all evils that it has? Essentially you are saying to Aussies “So what if we are bad, you are worse”. Why even today no Hindu religious and political leaders (let alone Mahatma Gandhi and Bal Tilak of 65 years ago) are unwilling to make amends to the religion?? Aussies at least have said sorry to the Aborigines. But you still keep glorifying Chatur Varna. All that you have said about Aussies pales in insignificance when compared to Hinduism!!!

Mr Rajesh, you have identified the cause of problems in India and the Indian society as CASTE CULTURE and ENDEMIC CORRUPTION. You are correct, but you still have not reached to the root of all issues plaguing the Indian nation. The root is the religion of Indian society – Hinduism. Religion is like a spiritual DNA of the Humans. When that DNA itself embodies the finger prints of inequality, oppression injustice, when the DNA does not promote fraternity and justice amongst the member of the religion then obviously the members are going to be become corrupt, selfish, evil……and the society is going to get riddled with horrible issues…………

Indians like to talk of “Golden Age” in History. The “Golden Age” in history was during the Buddhist period, not Vedic period…….my observation will obviously incense many people here, but it would be hard to deny the history….despite having tried to keep it suppressed for centuries.

Please think of it dispassionately rather than………..

Lastly, to Mr Rajaram Bojji. You have mentioned of you educational, professional background etc in the post. Thanks for that. Let me quote your below your statement
>>>We think a clerk is too small and will remain exploited always.

No, I and many others, do not think so. It is you who think that way. You think that way perhaps because you have not really seen – or not understood/realized - what real oppression and exploitation is. You have not understood what cunning and hideous forms it takes, and this despite your claim of having seen poverty in nooks and corners of the world.

Mr Bojji you have started by quoting the following line from Roy’s article to which you have taken offence.
>>>The Maoists are not the only ones who seek to depose the Indian State. It’s already been deposed several times by Hindu fundamentalism and economic totalitarianism."

You obviously are offended by the finger pointed at (caste) Hindus who incidentally are also the proponents and wholesale beneficiaries of the “economic totalitarianism”. But is that statement not true? Has not the Indian state – that is the Masses of India (not state in the narrow sense of Institutions of Governance) –been ripped off for millennia together?
Nandu
Sydney, Australia
Apr 14, 2010 08:44 AM
243
Usually I don't complete reading Arundhiti Roy's writing. But this one proved to be too powerful to resist. It reminds of the hindi film Phoolan Devi. One of the most surreal and powerful movies I had even seen.

I think the essence of this entire essay is this, when she says - "It’s hard not to see that the Indian State is an essentially upper-caste Hindu State (regardless of the party in power) which harbours a reflexive hostility towards the ‘other’."
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Apr 14, 2010 10:20 PM
244
An article on the internet says that Israel’s Mossad is training 30 high-ranking Indian police officers in the techniques of targeted assassinations, to render the Maoist organisation “headless”.

-- What happens if the Maoists try the same trick on the main culprits in the Indian govt? Indian tribals do not need Mossad's training. Hunting is in their blood. Of course, urban hunting in the concrete jungle is a different ball-game.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Apr 15, 2010 07:31 AM
245
He also has a video archive of burned villages, testimonies from eyewitnesses and relatives of the dead. There’s footage of a little boy whose fingers were chopped off to inaugurate the Bastar chapter of Operation Green Hunt.

-- They should post the videos on youtube for the world to see Indian civilization.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Apr 15, 2010 07:40 AM
246
To Arundhati Roy, I'd say just say two words. THANK YOU!
Raj
Chicago, United States
Apr 15, 2010 09:04 AM
247
well done arundhathi, well done outlook...a malayalam magazine-'MALAYALAM' has translated the article in its last week issue. Very many people whom i see and speak has got a new perspective on the issue. they know they have to fear the state-power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely..
swathidev
mavelikara, India
Apr 15, 2010 10:31 AM
248
The Indian State is an essentially upper-caste Hindu State (regardless of the party in power) which harbours a reflexive hostility towards the ‘other’. One that, in true colonial fashion, sends the Nagas and Mizos to fight in Chhattisgarh, Sikhs to Kashmir, Kashmiris to Orissa, Tamilians to Assam and so on.

The so on includes - ... sends one lower caste to fight another lower caste, sends one group of tribals to fight and kill another... and this has been happening in India for the last 5000 years.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Apr 15, 2010 04:35 PM
249
In this whole war between the government and the Maoists, it is the unfortunate Adivasis and the poorly-equipped jawaans who are the sufferers.
Aruna
Bangalore, India
Apr 15, 2010 09:22 PM
250
I came here to read A. Roy's article. A great writer tells a story that is particular, yet universal. I am much moved, as I learned much. Thank you.
NYCartist
NYC, United States
Apr 16, 2010 03:16 AM
251
Raj from Chicago: "-- What happens if the Maoists try the same trick on the main culprits in the Indian govt? Indian tribals do not need Mossad's training. Hunting is in their blood. Of course, urban hunting in the concrete jungle is a different ball-game."

Armchair maoist guerilla all the way from Chicago, U-S-A! Lol!
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Apr 16, 2010 11:51 AM
252
This is the first time I am reading article of Ms. Roy.
I must say,my blood was boiling at the time I was reading the article. I didn't know about the greeds of so many big companies that are exterminating our tribal life from the region.
Thanks for giving me so much knowledge.
I salute you for this endeavor to fight for tribal people.
The way you are living your life is very satisfying. At least you are doing what you can for these helpless tribal people.

I would also like to join you in this fight !
HARSH
LUCKNOW, India
Apr 16, 2010 05:51 PM
253
This article has a very theatrical ambiance, getting back to reality, Maoists are just another type of insurgents, i cannot think of any attribute which distinguishes naxalite problem from normal insurgency.

At grass root level maoists are driven to fight against the industrialists and govt lobbies which is just a farce, even a moderately read person can know that maoists are mobilized by our friendly neighborhood countries like china and these people are well networked with terrorist groups for supply of arms, do you think that maoists are born with skills of combat and weapon training?

India is a big rival to china and dampening the growth here is as good as mobilizing more investments there, what happened in Nepal can be tried and repeated here.

What US did to Afghanistan in form of Mujahideens and what india did to Sri Lanka in form of LTTE is happening to india in form of Maoists, glorifying them as heroes can also have a clear political agenda, its amusing how many times Congress was mentioned in this article. :)

Every country on this planet has casualties because of economic and industrial growth, china epitomizes this phenomenon, india is not even half way there.
Mahesh
Bangalore, India
Apr 16, 2010 09:18 PM
254
To all of those whose cockles are warmed by the heroic fighting that the maoist guerillas are waging against the horrible farce of a democracy that India has, let us pause to question the achievements of the Maoists and sundry Communists elsewhere. For those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
First, the great Communist paradise of USSR ... oops bankrupt. Let's move on to North Korea ... oops again, no need to dwell on it. Now let's come to the true Maoist paradise, China. Oh my, how well they treat their "minorities". Tibetans and Uighurs for instance are living in virtual paradise. Government corruption? no one's heard of it. Of course it goes without saying that if you raise your voice against the Goverenment, you'll lose your head without doubt. Human rights and free-speech anyone? How about exploiting the poor? Worker's paradise? As long as you are willing to work to death as a factory slave manufacturing cheap plastic trinkets to sell to Walmart, no problems, no exploitation there. Forcible land grabbing? you must be kidding me. Exploitation of natural resources? Arrogance? Violence against those who protest? No, none of this happens in Maoist paradise!
Let us all now join the Maoist guerillas to build this paradise in India. History be damned, we will build a paradise now!
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Apr 16, 2010 09:24 PM
255
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Apr 16, 2010 11:45 PM
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Adi
XXXXX, USA
Apr 17, 2010 01:16 PM
258
ADI-you silly fellow, you forgot the gold medalist, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge.
You also forgot to mention how different the two Koreas are
South Korea-The evil totalitarian state, where people are starving by the millions.
AND
North Korea-Where our comrades have created a paradise,
Man,
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Apr 17, 2010 03:18 PM
259
gentlemen and nitwits

it seems apparent that the maoists, left supporters, roy
and city intellectuals dislike and hate industry, and modernism. they are quite ready to romanticise the sordid
and dismal lives of the tribals.

these people survive on very little of good food. survival
depends on dubious forrest products.

their liveing conditions are awful- their children get no
schooling or medical help.

is this what these worthies would wish for themselves and
their families. ofcource not.
in a interview on tv vinod mehta said that he ofcource travelled business class, and stayed in a good hotel. his
dog was fed emmenthaler cheese. he was constantly in social
circles. the same for arundhati.

as a pragmatist, a modernist i demand that these tribals
be given the same chances of these fake socialists.

who knows ,that these tribals will not produce great writers, painters, engineers or doctors. these people should
get all the benefits from the modern culture of the 21 st
century- solar,wind energy, brick homes with red tiled roofs,water ,kitchen gardens.

they should get centres for tribal art, and opportunities to try their luck in the rest of india and beyond.

all of this can only be obtained by useing the mineral
wealth in the ground below their feet. it requires common
sense, adherence to good environmental practices, and
sensible and fair agreements of wealth shareing with companies like vedanta, arcellor.

it will not be possible through sanctimonious postureing by
people like roy and half baked intellectuals.

i visited trankebar in south india a few weeks ago. it was
an old danish colony anno 1620. the danes have left behind
a magnificent legacy of homes, churches, schools.

after the 2004 tsunami foreign agencies, the indian govt,
asi, intach, and a danish well fare fund have changed the
face of the town.it is today a centre of education.

the danish govt has provided the fishermen with glass fibre
boats with outboard engines. it was good to see them come
on shore and unload their huge catches.

all this is possible through financial backing and modern
ideas. that is exactly what is required in the tribal areas
ask the chinese govt and they will support this strategy.
they will have nothing to do with fakes like roy and her
supporters.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Apr 18, 2010 06:19 AM
260
I think readers who criticizing Roy did not understand the premise of this article.Roy did not support Maoism. She talks how exploitation created unrest.She did not opposed capitalism. True capitalism do not destroy people.It only makes their lives better. Nations mineral resources can be used, but not indiscriminately. For example take USA. They have huge oil reserves in Alaska. But they are not drilling it to protect their environment. Roy point is also same.
What would you say if government plan open cast mine beside your city if they found some new resources?
Sridhar
Telangana, India
Apr 18, 2010 11:13 PM
261
Everyone who writes appears to have a little of truth in what they say. Many different angles for looking at things. Many different realities.
Many personal interests in people who govern, only self directed actions in people who have the power of making big changes, and sometimes no action at all from people who has the power of small changes.
Most problems affecting humankind/planet earth will be overcomed once we ralize humanity is on an overdose of ego and greed. And act on it.
It will work towards a solution to write/inquire about things like Mrs. Roy, or anyone who writes about crital issues, cause somehow pressure put on critical points or people at power or governments, can bring out the Truth.
Just start acting with a little more compassion and out of pure uninterested Love.
Things have to change for the better of all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Francisco Malo
Cuenca, Ecuador
Apr 21, 2010 02:00 PM
262
Thank you Ms. Roy - THANK YOU ! I put off reading that piece because I knew it would make me angry - and it DID . 'What this country needs is indeed a revolution' like your mum said . Please continue writing - we need you . And also, as an aside, please ignore comments such as # 259, which are beyond any comprehension!
shivani dogra
New Delhi, India
Apr 21, 2010 08:25 PM
263
India is a fake democracy,RIGHT?
Let's do one thing,Roy.
Why don't you actually do something about it?
Oh that's right, you have conveniently washed of your hands by saying that you are not suited for it,
It is easy being a cynic and criticize the politicians, but then you'd sit back and just criticize the state.
You are a fiction writer, you DO NOT take into account the reality of the situation and start dreaming of a utopia, that correct, you are the one in the utopia, not P Chidambaram and certainly not the people who agree with you.
Fake Democracy, you are the Fake socialist and a fake environmentalist,
With your mansion built on illegal forest land.
That's right psuedo-liberals, check it out on Wikipedia.
Narendra
Hyderabad, India
Apr 22, 2010 03:59 PM
264
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Sanjiv Thakur
Raipur, India
Apr 24, 2010 06:30 PM
265
simply thanks to the author for adding a much needed contribution to the discourse on the naxalites/ maoists. and thanks to the Outlook magazine for publishing this much against the tide of government/ corporate propaganda which has flooded most of the mainstream media.

no thanks to all the comment writers who cant see beyond the propaganda to the greater malaise of our corrupt society.

i hope the government doesnt have the audacity to silence such eloquent criticism of its corruption as "maoist sympathising".

we need more journalists and media with the guts to delve behind the propaganda especially the people's war.
naveen jankar
delhi, India
Apr 28, 2010 06:56 PM
266
Corporates and Politics make apt bed-mates.
We’ve seen the same potent cocktail mix screw the IPL.( 2 NCP MPs, 2 Billion dollar corporate houses and Mr. Modi). Here the same orgasmic combination TATA + VEDANTA and’ n’ number of politicians in these Tribal belts.
Isn’t it shocking that after 60 years of so-called independence no roads, street lights, schools and health care centres exist in underpriveleged and economically tracts of land.
Kudos to Arundhati Roy for throwing light on the current ongoings. Maybe biased ‘facts’ but better than the ‘one-sided ‘official propaganda churned out in print, audio-visual and the online media. Cleverly or should I say cunningly, the State and Central machinery has turned Tribals (Salwa Judum) against Tribals (Maoists/Naxals). British “divide and rule” policy. Let them first kill amongst themselves. The local police (again Tribals) will nail the others. And any leftovers will be exterminated (as infested is widely used) by the Army.Which ever angle we see it is the Tribals who are suffering.

Prejudice and Personal attacks are so so INDIAN and we have highly educated and learned readers indulge in the comments section in a free- for- all.

Just ponder dear readers: If any of the naxals had a job, food, education, medical care and shelter would they get brainwashed away by the Naxal propaganda and join them in hordes as like today.

There has to be a serious problem or problems so as to make them think that only armed struggle will alleviate them so as to suffer by hiding and trekking in jungles with bare essentials and necessities.
Ravin
Hyderabad, India
Apr 30, 2010 03:44 PM
267
Violence is weak anger.The maoists and the tribals are weak,weak in terms of self-restraint, weak in comparison with the enormous complacence of the middle class that nourishes this corrupt indian democracy,weak in the strategic locations defined in terms of mainstream-margin and weak in media-support that can be bought by you know what.
They are angry because the rest of us are not.They are angry for reasons that are more than obvious.The state knows better why people are so angry with it.Unfortunately this anger is illegitimate in democracy.
Have we ever felt anger when we learn that our bureaucrats and politicians have made billions from the money meant for your so-called development?have we ever demanded a hunt of people responsible for the millions who die of hunger and thirst?If we did we would harness an illegitimate anger and if we expressed our angers we would be called enemies of the state.
I am personally angry for in the municipal town i live, drinking water is still a luxury,sixty plus years of independence. But i m not weak in self-restraint like the tribals-maoists because i am middle class with strong democratic values of cowardice and citizenship!! But i will still not want to lose my right to be angry which arundhati so beautifully exercises.
Achyut Chetan
Dumka, India
May 01, 2010 06:57 PM
268
For a moment let us ignore Ms. Roy's insults of our Constitution and Father of the Nation. Let's ignore her call for people to convert pristine forests into cultivated land to be distributed to comrades. Let's ignore her non-objective and ultra positive portrayal of terrorists who kill innocents mercilessly. Let us just talk about her heroes motives and future. Naxalites might be gaining ground in India's remote villages & tribal lands, but India is far bigger than that. Even if Ms. Roy and her barbaric comrades can hoodwink innocent tribals they cannot fool us in the cities. In short they can never ever overthrow Delhi. So, what is the alternative - create a bunch of Bastaristans in the middle?

However hard we sympathize with the tribals and their hardships, the best they can fight for is compensation. India population quadrupled since Independence and a lot of backward regions are seeing explosive people growth. Where are you going to accommodate people and their stomachs while clinging to practices that suited when the land supported a lot less people. The ugly truth is that the tribal style farming without technology is not going to support 1.1 billion people. Either we have to have a lot of hungry people or get a help a few people move on. A lot of us live and work in lands far away from our traditional land, and so could the tribals with proper compensation and training.

It is like "who moved my cheese?" only it is not ain't funny. The Indian government should try hard to get mainstream media, mainstream religions, technology and education into the region and they will do the job. Instead of fighting with the tribals, the government should be surgical in their war and pull tribals to our way of life. Once they get used to it, they will never go back to loo with used refined oil packs.
balaji viswanthan
madurai, india
May 01, 2010 10:14 PM
269
The plights of the tribals could be real. Indian politicians and police are pretty corrupt. But, Naxalitism is not the way to do it. Mahatma Gandhi brought the largest empire in human history on its knees by 1) property identifying the problem, b) holistically thinking the solution, 3) logically conveying to the opponent without the use of force 4) relentless in his pursuit and spectacularly organization. Even though the British were brutal at times (remember Jallianwala Bagh) he made deep inroads into their conscience.

This is the only option for tribals. Formulate a solution to their problem and discuss with the Indian society and we would listen at some point (you need to be relentless and patient like Mahatma). If you are going to war, you can fight forever and Indian state will not stop - causing a lot of blood.

Change is the only permanent thing and every species on earth undergoes change. Same for the adivasis. At some point they will be made to change, like it or not. No romantic writer might stop evolution. So, now might be a time to organize and guide the change in their own terms.
balaji viswanthan
madurai, india
May 05, 2010 05:09 AM
270
What I find interesting, especially in some of the comments of this piece is the romanticization of the 'modern' and 'development'. For some reason (possibly social conditioning that we all suffer from) some people decide to only think of the apparent greatness of development and modernism, without remembering or facing up to the ugly, brutal and disguising reality of the 'modern' and 'development' - which involves the murder, rape and ecoside of adivasi and other indigenous people and their land in India, as well as in Latin America, Northern America (look up the Albertan Tar Sands) in Africa, as well as numerous other atrocities and abuses of power. Your development may be shiny and beautiful skyscrapers on the surface, but scratch underneath, as Arundhati Roy does, and you see that it is not something that we should aim for. If you have some intelligence, dont romanticize development.
kel
London, United Kingdom
May 06, 2010 12:21 AM
271
Hi.
We want to publish this article in turkish. So we need to get permission from Arundhati Roy. We will be gratefull if anyone can help us to reach to Arundhati Roy. An e-mail will be enough. Thanks...
Ali Haydar Y?ld?z
?STANBUL, Turkey
May 06, 2010 11:38 PM
272
>>Ken (270) said: If you have some intelligence, dont romanticize development.

Ken, we could say the same to you: don't romanticize poverty and ignorance. We have been through it for centuries and we know it is ugly. The past 60 years we have given enough chance to socio-communism that the author supports and we have gone nowhere. It is time for the Westerners to leave India alone with its destiny.
balaji viswanthan
madurai, india
May 07, 2010 09:32 AM
273
"...Call me a nit-picker but when someone sings praises of the simple tribal lifestyle, how they should left alone to do their thing, how mining companies should be driven away from everywhere as their only gift to society is irreparable environmental damage, one should not talk about their I-Pod in the same article [See Page 8 of the article]. On one hand, the author rages on about the industry-administration mafia and about much damage they do in the name of modernization/development and on the other hand, she herself is so addicted to her I-Pod that she cannot leave it behind even when she is going off into an exciting trip through the forests with the people who know it best, the tribals. Maybe she verified with Apple where all that technology that led to an invention like the I-Pod was born from and the details of the mines where all the minerals that went into the electronics inside it came from. Maybe it was developed by an alien tribal who lived in a forest of some faraway planet where the I-Pods grew on trees and you could charge them by just dipping them into the free flowing water (No big dams on them you see) and where there was no need for any compromise between development and tradition, environment and technology - something which we have to deal with everyday on this, our far-from-perfect planet. Ahhh, utopia then is a planet where all the residents are tribals who prefer to live the simple forest lifestyle and yet are technologically advanced enough to have all the comforts of a modern age without building monsters like hydroelectric dams and steel plants whose only utility according to Ms. Roy lies in exploiting dis-empowered people. There's some good true Communism for you or then again is that Cameron-ism?"...

http://virtual-inksa...k-with-comrades.html
Anuranjan Roy
Calcutta, India
May 07, 2010 10:58 PM
274
Rather sad that those who live in a developed world and have the power of the mighty press behind them, use their words to romanticize poverty, lack of education, and a primitive way of life.
The people of Dantewada have been deprived of the fruits of development.They are sitting on a pile of natural resources which are the wealth of the nation.If they are repositioned and given better agricultural land, better access to development, education and allowed to compete with all the other farmers of developed states, will it actually take anything away from them?
Is settling down in a different place, away from where your forefathers were born, really a very sad thing to do? Then how come almost all those who are reading this, have moved away from their ancestral homes, and moved on to places more conducive for their better prospects or education or whatever?
Why sit in armchair discussion and not allow all the people of our nation to reap the benefits of development?
How are dams bad? Should the natural resources of the nation not be shared by all?
If proper leadership is not provided, then the youth of every area finds a leader to follow. They may be misguided and taken away from what is better for them.
Criticizing the building of schools, as being built like fortresses is stretching things too far. Govt has the resources to build better structures of a permanent nature. Therefore the use of steel, rather than thatched huts!!
If teachers have run away, and infra structure is misused, then the administration needs to control the situation.
Insurgents and other vested interests step in where ever there is a lack of proper leadership.
The task in hand is to rebuild trust and get the people back in the mainstream.They must participate in nation building and as citizens of this nation, they need to be able to develop and prosper like everyone else.
Varsha Uke Nagpal
Nashua, United States
May 11, 2010 09:53 PM
275
After 84Lakh rebirth one get human life. So one should cherish it. But instead if people seek emancipation from this. There must be something very wrong. From time immemorial , life is made despicable by the nazi-casti-sm . Now it is has got refined and more lethal. Corruption and mafia of common interest gangs has created many suffering . India should fear indian before pointing at others. Why the frustrated indian is helping aliens to hurt his owns. Think hard, Answer is every where. God if exist save us from .....
Rebat Pal
Delhi, India
May 16, 2010 02:57 AM
276
I would like to get the e-mail of Arundati Roy. Is it possible?
Thanks,

Francesco
Francesco Cecchini
Montebelluna, Italy
May 17, 2010 09:55 PM
277
I used to be a fan of hers. Now she is lost. she does not know what to condemn or what to uphold. So she takes a simple strategy- wherever it is and whatever it is, she takes the sides of the so called "oppressed" - terrorists, the hamas, maoists.
And with pure elegance of her literary vomit, readers cringe and they think-what she really wants? what in the holy heavens and hell of a point is she trying to make here?? the higher moral ground?, the middle ground? or no ground at all??
-result- more readers,more money for her, more propaganda.
This is rather cruel to say- but- if there were a community of rapists in a village-who are the outcasts- who have been totally deserted from any touch of the human female-and they were forced to rape to keep themselves sane...I am sure Arundhathi Roy would have been there writing about the plight of these "poor men" with glows in their eyes, the sparks in their hopes of a better tomorrow... Shame on you Arundhathi. Crime stems from reasons. The reason however valid, itself does not render the crime void. If you look at the reason for all crime and try to reason it, no crime should be penalized. Rapists -because of their child hood traumas? or poor parenting they received? Murderers -because they dont see a difference in killing a chicken and a small child?such innocence and spark in their eyes eh?-theives: beacuse they couldnt get education or the lively hood they wanted and so chose to steal and rob? -the list can go on.

I literally puked 2 times half way through this article.
I have a head ache now...
Good luck to other readers if you make it to the end.

Cheers-
Anoop P
Anoop P
banglore, India
May 17, 2010 11:12 PM
278
Anup,

"I used to be a fan of hers. Now she is lost. she does not know what to condemn or what to uphold"


Just curious to know what made you fan of Arundhati in the past ? Is it her literary work or anything else ?

Anyway welcome to the club of Arundhati Haters.
Maha
NJ, United States
May 17, 2010 11:16 PM
279
http://timesofindia....icleshow/5941102.cms

Gandhian with a gun, Eh ? Arundhati ?
Maha
NJ, United States
May 17, 2010 11:54 PM
280
Anoop,

>> I used to be a fan of hers. Now she is lost. she does not know what to condemn or what to uphold. So she takes a simple strategy- wherever it is and whatever it is, she takes the sides of the so called "oppressed"

She is just pointing the legitimate grievances of Tribals to be addressed. Nothing wrong in that. She is not some police officer refusing to take action etc. The law enforcement will do its job too. She raises points about tribal problems which many would agree - like the 25 intellectuals and activists who appreciated the statement of Sonia Gandhi that the extreme neglect of the tribal areas is at the root of the present crisis in those regions. Arundhati Roy has not changed. It is you who have perhaps changed (or 'lost' as you have put it).
Kumar
Bangalore, India
May 18, 2010 11:55 AM
281
Kumar,

I dont think you got the point, buddy.
No one is denying the fact that there is a problem with the administration and tribals and suffering. That does not mean you can go ahead and justify violence. I am not sure whether you have read through her other articles so far, but almost every one follows the same traits, the same angle. My question to you is- she justifies Maoists and Naxalites, she has justified terrorists and Hamas in the past.. Would you justify terrorism if one of your families were those who were killed in the massacres in Mumbai>?..or one of the families of the dantewada massacres? ..nor would one would be able to justify crime if you were on the tribal families, and you had to go through the atrocities of the mafias or the police force..Violence is not justified- terrorists , government or any other- dont pretend to hold a higher moral ground by empathizing. Good journalism ends when sympathy turns into empathy you end up romanticizing the crime. I dont even want to call this journalism, infact.

And Maha,

Its just the englishlanguage of hers that I was a fan of- not the usage.
:)
Anoop P
banglore, India
May 18, 2010 02:43 PM
282
Anoop,

>> No one is denying the fact that there is a problem with the administration and tribals and suffering. That does not mean you can go ahead and justify violence.

Ms. Roy is first and foremost advocating to consider the legitimate rights/justice/livelihood issues of poor tribals. The whole essay is sympathizing with the extremely poor and simple tribals who need or desire very little to live etc, but just strolling for livelihood which they think is trampled upon. She is not saying that it is right that they take up arms. She was pointing at the fact how even such poor/simple tribals with legitimate rights are in this - and to use ruthless force of Army/Air force etc means brutally eliminating such poor/simple people who are just struggling for a livelihood. Why cant the simple legitimate issues related to livelihood etc of these tribals be talked about and addressed, is the question she and many other intellectuals are asking.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
May 18, 2010 07:23 PM
283
"Ms. Roy is first and foremost advocating to consider the legitimate rights/justice/livelihood issues of poor tribals."

Yeah. right. She is the biggest hypocrite. Check her ways to provide justice to poor tribals.

http://timesofindia....icleshow/1681245.cms
Maha
NJ, United States
May 18, 2010 09:37 PM
284
Maha,

>> Yeah. right. She is the biggest hypocrite. Check her ways to provide justice to poor tribals

The link does not give the details of what exactly happened – where it is an unintended mistake, what is the comment from the side of Ms. Roy (or her husband) etc. This link http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/29952/ for example says "The houses in the name of Pradeep Kishen (Roy's husband) and Aradhana Seth were completed in 1996 after all necessary revenue formalities". There might be a misunderstanding/mistake etc. The issue is not personally about Ms. Roy or her husband. If there is merit in the argument to consider the legitimate rights/justice/livelihood issues of poor tribals, it needs be looked into. If one of the writer who raises this issue (or her husband) had some illegal construction which is removed etc does not do anything to the legitimacy of the issue raised. Don't try an Ad Hominem attack. That's irrelevant to the larger point/issue.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2010 12:22 AM
285
"The link does not give the details of what exactly happened – where it is an unintended mistake"

Of course it will not, if you have tainted glasses. The documents says,

"According to the complaint, all four are said to have built their cottages on Desh's land despite his objection.Having unsuccessfully pleaded to all four several times to vacate his land, Vijay Singh finally complained to Sub Divisional Magistrate Niaz Ahmad Khan in May this year.On investigating the matter, Niaz Ahmad found the complaint to be correct and forwarded the case to the court of Tehsildar ML Solanki."

"what is the comment from the side of Ms. Roy (or her husband) etc"

Since when this is required to validate the news ? Is magistrate's confirmation is not enuf for you ? I donot see you waiting for comments from Mutaliks, Thogadias, Thakres before criticizing acts of Ram sene, VHP and Shiv sena.
Maha
NJ, United States
May 20, 2010 11:03 PM
286
Arundhati Roy has an arresting smile but one may wonder, with so much to worry about, how one can indulge in the feudal past time of smiling. I presume laughing would place her self firmly with her deeply hated corporate and the devious Uncle Sam. That would be totally unacceptable and so neo-capitalist to core and perhaps swiftly demand a summary execution in a Maoist kangaroo court
She has found her enviable groovy slot; appreciating Maoists, demonizing state, justifying Mumbai terror attack, bad mouthing market, blood sucking capitalism and greedy corporate.
The cozy fat advance funded existence and indulgences, presumably from publishing corporate makes her life very easy along with forays to articulate poor angst and related terrorism.
Understandably her pen spews acid and more acid whenever her fragile sensitive mind is disturbed by whatever is utterly wrong with every thing in this wretched, feudal, bad, neo-capitalist, Brahaminical, blood sucking exploitative world.
Further my feudal-neo-capitalist curiosity about make or perhaps the brand of her acid filled pen is formidable; it can not be and should not have been produced in some blood sucking sweatshops of west.
Her distasteful and careless expression of terming Maoists as “Gandhi with Guns” is outrageous. But exotica scourging media always curiously loves weird and outrageous stuff.
I don’t have any grudge that she made tons of money through neo-capitalist-west originated and supported book launches and all the marketing strategies of a multinational publishing house. The sweet smell of money one nosy pen pusher felt during those heady initial “God of Small Things” days, in her barsati, made her free of so much money centered restrains, if they were any. Her fusion with capitalist publishing, fertile imagination and writing skills were preordained and justified. Most big bad capitalist owned media gives huge space to her acidic views for public consumptions.

She has been extremely guarded in her criticism of the latest Maoist attack on a private bus killing about 50 people. It is said that the heavily armed brave warriors of the poor went on pumping bullets in to dead bodies of women and children, tells own gruesome tale of their depravity. But her terror sympatric faculties must be really busy trying hard to find and nail any state role and lapses, leading to the incident. There is no doubt that she will find some thing fast and absolve the innocent, armed poor trying hard to save their land from the greedy corporate by killing civilians.

In a TV interview, she also opined that the Maoist ideologues are using these poor harassed tribal to further their own agenda and the poor are also wise enough to use these ideologues. Her deeply obsessive fascination to further the cause of romanticized gruesome Maoist terror, she perhaps does not care, that she is also being used by the clever remnants foot soldiers of one of the most brutal and oppressive ideologues and their defunct empire of deceit, world wide.

Thankfully she has declined to mediate between government and ultras, being aware of her lack of skills as a facilitator. At the same time her belief in a fake democracy, all politicians dishonest, presiding over an exploitative system serving hated corporate looters is so strong and deep that it’s good she is away from any negotiations.

Off course the system is defective and diseased, but it is evolving too, though slowly. It is needless to say that the state and its various arms and faculties have contributed to or ignored the buildup of problems to current pathetic stage. And she knows having been part of the same system for short. But to imagine that the dreaded Maoists are there for solving the real problems of poor is beyond any reason, logic and comprehension. It is also well known what their ultimate ideological and blood soaked class struggle afflicted objectives are.

But a disease is never cured by other deadly disease; she is hell bent on suggesting and so haughtily justifying.
M. Singh
Nashik, India
May 28, 2010 01:14 AM
287
I am verymuch worried about the iodex smelling comrade and the poor tribal women suffering from joint pain and anaemia respectively. A good and a regular dose of RhusTox 1m alternated with formic acid 200( which is richly present in material form in the sour ants the tribals eat) will do for the ailing knees and big joints. A few drops of haemamalis Q will help the women coming out of the poor haemoglobin count. Let not the doctor incharge forget that Homeopathy is not only effective but also a layman's remedy.
Laxminarayana V.N
mysore, India
May 28, 2010 09:44 AM
288
The Maoists are increasingly targeting Rail traffic and the passengers.

What spin will Arundhati Roy will give to the these gruesome events and motivations?
M. Singh
Nashik, India
May 29, 2010 05:07 AM
289
It takes a lot of money to run their campaign. I won't be surprised if the Chinese government is funding their activities in preparation of a future invasion of India. People like Comrades Karat and Roy behave as if they are the scouts of the Red Army.
axm
Calgary, Canada
Jun 04, 2010 11:39 AM
290
After reading Arundhati Roy's latest speech in Mumbai, made after her direct contacts with Kishenji:
A piece written early – as part of my novel being written -- modified on May 25.
On the basis of the thought-provoking reports, let me bring in the related issues that may help our Arsha Bharata come out as a model for the world as the largest welfare-state democracy.
Kobad Ghandy, alumnus of Doon school, classmate of Sanjay Gandhi, a highly educated and enlightened Parsee, member of a wealthy business family, was arrested last year for being concerned for poor people, for devoting his entire life time to uplift them, especially the Jungly Animals of Sindhu. Look! He was humiliated by businessmen ruling jungles -- the administrators acting as their infantry and cavalry. He decided to be a Maoist; became one of the topmost Maoists. He is in Tihar Jail. For how many years will he be there? Binayak Sen -- only a sympathiser of the jungly animals -- spent two years!
On May 2, The Hindu reported the demonstrations of thousands of jungly animals demanding the Govt to stop Green Hunt.
According to the NEWSWING, the Union Minister of State for Agriculture, on May 7, informed Rajya Sabha that NABARD had sanctioned 191 horticultural projects in Sindhu for the jungly animals. The outlay is Rs. 543.6 Crores, virtually grant to 1.56 lakh jungly families. Each family will get around Rs. 45,000. The project duration ranges from 5-7 years. Four projects cover 4,000 jungly families. About 500-1000 jungly families are covered with 1000 acres of orchard plantation in clusters. . .
My view on the Minister's revelations:
The amount not exceeding Rs. 45,000 granted to a family is small, I believe. Still, something is better than nothing.
How many families are covered? Let me forget about jungles in my arithmetic; let those animals be 5-member families. Then the figure of the 1.56 lakh families thus covered in the Rajya Sabha works out: to be 0.78% of the 200 lakh (2 crore) families encompassing 10 crore jungly animals; and to be 0.02 % of the 70 crore of the entire animals of the projected 130 crore Sindhian humanoids.
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My request to Binayak Sen, Arundhati Roy and all intellectuals who are on their wavelengths:
You are not Maoists, I know; you sympathize with Maoists.
Dear Ma`am and Sirs,
Call a meeting of yours. Request Kishenji to take part. Please try to bring about a change in his attitudes.
Oh, dear Kishenji!
Throw away your gun after the meeting. Be a PIED PIPER, an angelic player, not the history's Lucifer who lured 130 children to Waser River and got them drowned. You can play the pipe and lure the 130 crore Sindhians, including the 70 crore who are the poorest in the world. Go to JNU first and Play. Lure your supporters and plead to them, “March with me to New Heaven And New Earth, not to the BAY OF BENGAL, not even to Dandi.” They will follow you; those in other Us will follow them; Karat will follow; Mohanji will; Rahulji and all will. You will become the Planet's Gandhi of the twenty-first century. Only you from Sindhustan -- at this moment -- can be that Gandhi.
If you pooh-pooh me, that clever school girl of USA will become the Planet's Gandhi, who asked her President, "Among the ones reincarnated, whom will you eat with?", for which she got the reply, "I shall eat with Gandhi only, even though he may discourage me from filling my stomach beyond capacity!" -- after which only the President proudly proclaimed to his white compatriots, "I'm a black man," though his mother was white!
Kishenji!
I am not pooh-poohing you.
Even if you succeed with your gun, your fate will not be different from that of Mengistu Haile Mariam of Ethiopia -- that “Napoleon the Junior” of Orwell. Mengistu's supporters were innocent students including mine whom I was teaching after I taught in Kenya.
I tell you, in Kenya I happened to meet and talk to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. It was when we were sitting on the opposite sides of a table in a Patel’s bar in Nairobi, drinking Russian Vodka, the favourite drink of both. It was then Mr. Patel informed us that my co-drinker's benefactor Tom Mboya was shot dead by Jomo Kenyatta’s man. The news in Hindi was then secretly revealed to me by Mr. Patel, with a warning, “Run back home. I’m going to close the bar. Somebody said a hired Patel has done the act, after which he has taken his flight to South Africa.” Obama was wondering at the nonsense going on between the two Sindhians.
Poor Patel! Somebody had just rumoured to him! Kenyatta's man was a Kikuyu.
Kishenji, Kenyatta’s act had a resemblance to the one of Napoleon of the ANIMAL FARM who had arranged the killing of Snowball who had fled to the New World, am I right?
What happened to Napoleon’s Animal Farm?
You want to be a Napoleon?
Or a Snowball of Napoleon?
Or a Gandhi of Godse?
Be a Gandhi of Godse, Sir.
I'm an ex-revolutionary, an oldie, Sir! 77 yrs old!.
Kuruvilla M U
Bangalore, India
Jun 06, 2010 05:26 PM
291
When are we arresting her? Time to throw her in Jail.
Prasanth
Melbourne, Australia
Jun 09, 2010 03:55 AM
292
Arundhati's gandhians feel sorry about their guilt

http://ibnlive.in.co...16651-3.html?from=tn

I thought it was done by state government to show them in bad light.
Maha
NJ, United States
Jun 12, 2010 02:57 AM
293
Arundhati Roy deserves our admiration for giving a voice to the Bastar tribals and bringing to light the horrible nature of the Indian richer and middle classes and of the Indian state hich works at their behest.

She is however totally misguided in reerring to Kashmir as a territory under India's occupation and expressing support to the Islamic terrorists in that integral part of India.

Exposing the ugly face of the current Indian state is one thing; attacking the territorial integrity of India and its sovereign existence is something else. The latter is totally unacceptable. This is a gross abuse of free speech.

Arundhati, you are undermining your own credibility in the eyes of millions of Indian's like me. We believe that the tribals of India, and the Dalits, and all other oppressed classes, have a right to defend themselves against the violence which India's rich and middle classes, and the State which works at their behest, have been directing against them over many decades. If the Maoists are enabling them to organise for this purpose, they deserve our support. If the only way to organise this defence is to face violence with violence, so be it. The primary responsibility for this is with Chidambaram and the State that he represents.

But for us, the sovereignty and territorial integrity of India is also sacrosanct. You are doing a great disservice to all sections of India's underprivileged by equating their struggle with that of Islamic terroristts in Kashmir. India's tribals are fighting to secure their right to life and to a better future. Islamic terrorists fight to kill the infidels and force women into burquas. Do not undermine the legitimacy of the struggles of India's underprivileged classes by supporting terrorism inspired by a religious ideology which does not recognise the right to life of those who do not accept that ideology.
Suranjit Saha
Swansea, United Kingdom
Jun 12, 2010 08:45 PM
294
I think Ms.Roy is so overwhelmed by the Maoist that she didn’t took care to observe or get other information related with culture of bastarias. She had given a very vivid detail of “Bhumkal” celebrations in Maoist camp and also she like a historian tells the fight of tribals against british colonists. But what she leaves to tell is that “Bhumkal” was an agitation of masses including ordinary tribal and landlords and mukhias altogether. There were two leaders of Bhumkal one was well know Gundadhur and other was Lal Kalendra Sing (Scion of Bastar Royal House). Bhumkal was against the policy of british colonist of interfering with culture and religion of people of Bastar. There is tinge of evangelist interference also in life of tribals (who are still in bastar trying to civilise so called savage races) which was in part responsible for Bhumkal. Even the then british reports suggest secret support of Bastar palace in Bhumkal. Oops but how Ms. Roy can recognise martyrdom of landlords and chieftains it will not benefit the PWG. Ms.Roy referred to Lohadiguda many a time telling that tatas are constructing a steel plant there and tribals are against it. Did she know the importance of Lohadiguda to Bastarias? Certainly not because writing about that will force here to praise last prince of Bastar (oh how hard it will be for her). In 1965 Lohadiguda was the place first where burst of anger against Indian Govt. happened and why? Because tribals gathered there refused the new arrangement of Indian Govt of recognising the younger brother of Late. Maharaj Pravir Chandra Bhanjdeo of Bastar (last ruler with ruling rights) as Ruler of Bastar for the purpose of privy purse. Tribals refused the arrangement against there beloved Maharaja and police opened fire and first martyrs of Bastar after independence fell to the ground. Then came the year 1967 when Maharaja of Bastar was shot dead in his pace in cold blood in a police action, along with thousands of tribals on the ground that Maharaja was trying to wage war against Indian Govt with his tribal subjects. That was tribal uprising which was put down heavily by force. Madam Roy must visit again and see that tribals and even non-tribals pray Pravir Chandra as a god after his martyrdom. One can see his photograph along with that of Mai Danteswari in several places, in temples, in homes, in shops, every where. But why? Because he was a just ruler and more aptly a leader which understood the need of his people and fought vigorously for that with government. Most primarily Pravir was against the ingress of non-tribals in his state. Infact death of Pravir in a police action made the land fertile for PWG to grow in Bastar as the tribal has gone disillusioned and there only voice to outer world gone, the discontent continued in hearts and minds and later on PWG harvested it and filled the void left by martyrdom of Pravir. So the death of a royal sowed the seeds of communist revolution, great. That means one thing tribal war is not for Maoist ideology it is for reclaiming of there rights. It is not Maoist war it is a war tribal is fighting for himself. Sad thing for Ms.Roy to know that, that Bastarias will not Maoist who will not fly red banner if they are successful.
And, what’s that rant about women being bare chest in Baster. Is it a custom, come on do a little study about India madam? It is not a custom that after marriage one has to be bare chest. It is just what it is. It is Subsisting on frugal materials as a way of simple living. The law of equality between men and women in tribals is not taught by Maoist. Infact it is way of life for them. Bigamy is word first introduced by white british colonist who made it a criminal offence based on christian law. Thankfully law in India now recognises the customs of tribals of bigamy and for them it is not punishable. Dwij Gonds? heard that for first time in your essay. What I had known since my child hood that there are Rajgonds (Rulers and Landlords) and Dhurgonds (ordinary people). No other classification exist other then that and that also just denotes the status other things being common between Rajgonds and Dhurgonds. There is no untouchability between the Rajgonds and Dhurgonds tribals and both the classes inter marry also. There you said conversion to Hinduism created rifts in tribal society. Conversion to Hinduism? it is a misnomer. Hinduism is way of life. Tribals except those who converted to christianity like Oraons, Nagas, Mizos, are infact Hindus only. Don’t we pray Mai Danteswari chief goddess of Bastar or PashupatiNath ( naam hi batata hai ki sabhi prajatiyo ke Devta hai) along with tribals. Basically Hinduism believes in nature praying, each god is associated with something on earth. When we had common deities how come we are different just the way of performing puja is different. Then it is different in all over India. Way of prayer is different but god is same. So we all are hindus tribals and non-tribals. But your christian mind can not understand Hindu way of life. Have you ever written any article that vatican is running a program of conversion. Oraon people who had converted to christianity are being spread like weeds to others parts of India among the Gonds, Kawars, Marias as far as upto Maharashtra from Jharkhand where they natives. Just to spread Christianity. But hard work missionaries Gond is here in these lands since time immemorial not a migrant like Oraons, Gonds will not convert.
Madam Roy Bastar is unique; it can not be equated with Bengal, Bihar or Orissa in the so called red corridor. Fight is for reclaiming there rights and solution is to throw all the outsiders out of Bastar ( including Bengali refugees and Telagu Comrades) and then see how rapidly the peace prevails.
Jai Mai Danteshwari , Jai Bastar , Jai Chhattisgarh.
Rajnish Singh Baghel
Bilaspur, India
Jun 12, 2010 09:22 PM
295
I think Ms.Roy is so overwhelmed by the Maoists that she didn’t took care to observe or get other information related with culture of Bastarias. She had given a very vivid detail of “Bhumkal” celebrations in Maoist camp and also she like a historian tells the fight of tribals against british colonists. But what she omits to tell is that “Bhumkal” was an agitation of masses including ordinary tribal and landlords and mukhias altogether. There were two leaders of Bhumkal one was well know Gundadhur and other was Lal Kalendra Sing (Scion of Bastar Royal House). Bhumkal was against the policy of british colonist of interfering with culture and religion of people of Bastar. There is tinge of church’s interference also in life of tribals (who are still in bastar trying to civilise so called savage races) which was in part responsible for Bhumkal. Even the then british reports suggest secret support of Bastar palace in Bhumkal. Oops but how Ms. Roy can recognise martyrdom of landlords and chieftains as it will not benefit the PWG/Maoists. Ms.Roy referred to Lohadiguda many a time telling that tatas are constructing a steel plant there and tribals are against it. Did she know the importance of Lohadiguda to Bastarias? And root of such a resistance? Certainly not because writing about that will force her to praise last prince of Bastar (oh how hard it will be for her). In 1965, Lohadiguda was the place where first burst of anger against Indian Govt. after Independence happened and why? Because tribals gathered there refused to accept the new arrangement of Indian Govt of recognising the younger brother of Late. Maharaj Pravir Chandra Bhanjdeo of Bastar (last ruler with ruling rights) as Ruler of Bastar for the purpose of privy purse. Tribals rejected the arrangement against there beloved Maharaja and agitated it but police opened fire and first martyrs of Bastar after independence fell to the ground. Then came the year 1967 when Maharaja of Bastar was shot dead in his palace in cold blood in a police action, along with thousands of tribals on the ground that Maharaja was trying to wage war against Indian Govt with his tribal subjects. That was 1st tribal uprising after Bhumkal which was put down heavily by force. Madam Roy must visit again and see that tribals and even non-tribals pray Pravir Chandra as a god after his martyrdom. One can see his photograph along with that of Mai Danteswari in several places, in temples, in homes, in shops, every where. But why? Because he was a just ruler and more aptly a leader who understood the need of his people and fought vigorously for those problems affecting Bastar with government. Most primarily Pravir was against the ingress of non-tribals in his state. Infact death of Pravir in a police action made the land fertile for PWG to grow in Bastar as the tribal has gone disillusioned and there only voice to outer world gone, the discontent continued in hearts and minds and later on PWG harvested it and filled the void left by martyrdom of Pravir. So the death of a royal sowed the seeds of communist revolution, great. That means one thing tribal war is not for Maoist ideology it is for reclaiming of there rights. It is not Maoist war it is a war tribal is fighting for himself. Sad thing for Ms.Roy to know that, that Bastarias will not live as per Maoist ideology and they will not fly red banner, if they are successful.
And, what’s that rant about women being bare chest in Baster. Is it a custom, come on do a little study about India madam? It is not a custom that after marriage one has to be bare chest. It is just what it is. It is Subsisting on frugal materials as a way of simple living. The law of equality between men and women in tribals is not taught by Maoist. Infact it is way of life for them. Bigamy is word first introduced by white british colonist who made it a criminal offence based on christian law. Thankfully law in India now recognises the customs of tribals of bigamy and for them it is not punishable. Dwij Gonds? heard that for first time in your essay. What I had known since my child hood that there are Rajgonds (Rulers and Landlords) and Dhurgonds (ordinary people). No other classification exist other then that and that also just denotes the status, other things being common between Rajgonds and Dhurgonds. There is no untouchability between the Rajgonds and Dhurgonds tribals and both the classes inter marry also. There you said conversion to Hinduism created rifts in tribal society. Conversion to Hinduism? it is a misnomer. Hinduism is way of life. Tribals except those who converted to christianity like Oraons, Nagas, Mizos, are infact Hindus only. Don’t we pray Mai Danteswari (chief goddess of Bastar) or PashupatiNath ( naam hi batata hai ki sabhi prajatiyo ke Devta hai) along with tribals. Basically Hinduism believes in nature praying, each god is associated with something on earth. When we had common deities how come we are different. just the way of performing puja is different. Then it is different in all over India. Way of prayer is different but god is same. So we all are hindus, tribals and non-tribals. But your christian mind can not understand Hindu way of life. Have you ever written any article that vatican is running a program of conversion. Oraon people who had converted to christianity are being spread like weeds to others parts of India among the Gonds, Kawars, Marias as far as upto Maharashtra from Jharkhand where they are natives. Just to spread Christianity. But hard work missionaries Gond is here in these lands since time immemorial not a migrant like Oraons, Gonds will not convert.
Madam Roy Bastar is unique; it can not be equated with Bengal, Bihar or Orissa in the so called red corridor. Fight is for reclaiming there rights and solution is to throw all the outsiders out of Bastar (including Bengali refugees and Telagu Comrades), remove forest department, stop mining and then see how rapidly the peace prevails.
Jai Mai Danteshwari , Jai Bastar , Jai Chhattisgarh.
Rajnish Singh Baghel
Bilaspur, India
Jun 12, 2010 11:46 PM
296
Arundhati Roy deserves our admiration for giving a voice to the Bastar tribals and bringing to light the horrible nature of the Indian richer and middle classes and of the Indian state which works at their behest.

She is however totally misguided in referring to Kashmir as a territory under India's occupation and expressing support to the Islamic terrorists in that integral part of India.

Exposing the ugly face of the current Indian state is one thing; attacking the territorial integrity of India and its sovereign existence is something else. The latter is totally unacceptable. This is a gross abuse of free speech.

Arundhati, you are undermining your own credibility in the eyes of millions of Indian's like me. We believe that the tribals of India, and the Dalits, and all other oppressed classes, have a right to defend themselves against the violence which India's rich and middle classes, and the State which works at their behest, have been directing against them over many decades. If the Maoists are enabling them to organise for this purpose, they deserve our support. If the only way to organise this defence is to face violence with violence, so be it. The primary responsibility for this is with Chidambaram and the State that he represents.

But for us, the sovereignty and territorial integrity of India is also sacrosanct. You are doing a great disservice to all sections of India's underprivileged by equating their struggle with that of Islamic terrorists in Kashmir. India's tribals are fighting to secure their right to life and to a better future. Islamic terrorists fight to kill the infidels and force women into burquas. Do not undermine the legitimacy of the struggles of India's underprivileged classes by supporting terrorism inspired by a religious ideology which does not recognise the right to life of those who do not accept that ideology.
Suranjit Saha
Swansea, United Kingdom
Jun 29, 2010 02:42 AM
297
Reminds me of the notorious Gen Custer and the Sioux wars!
sangos
new delhi, India
Jul 05, 2010 02:31 PM
298
This is to inform PRASHANT from AUSTRALIA, MELBOURNE that its very easy to go back to a british oriented country and give comments. i guess your liking for Ausrtralia goes beyond the understanding of the fact that how many people lost their life trying to get independence from the whites.Guess you have forgotten what goes in india.atleast on moral grounds you should keep your mouth shut.Being a literate as one can make out from ur reach to technology and education, you should not say something ike that about a great idol of liberty freedom and equality.But i don't wonder it because you think its your right to be protected even in Australia by the indian government when you being kicked and shoed but the natives doesn't have the right to speak against the inhuman act of the government.Have you sold your morals to them at the cost of some job or you really don't know anything about India, the land of swami vivekanada, bhagat singh!!!
Gaurav Kamal
bangalore, India
Jul 05, 2010 03:08 PM
299
This article was something that i would cherish all my life.At one point of time i was so ashamed that i use to consider "P.Chidambram" and his supporter human beings.Nevertheless i wil change my perception right away.But just reading it and realising the known facts was followed by some feeling of helplessness and more of shame.

Forget the comments of those who have even forgotten the pain of india's struggle for independence and show no shame working in their firms, their country even when they are being ill treated,kicked,raped,shoed,and killed.

Some have even condemned the "FIGHT for RIGHT" on grounds of violence....they are the same people who trace their origin to the particular class who were against our "freedom fighters" when they revolted against the Britishers!!!! Forget them... Forget them.... Forget them...and lets salute to the great lady...atleast she has the courage to speak against the greedy and utmost concern for the needy!!!!
Gaurav Kamal
bangalore, India
Jul 14, 2010 11:53 PM
300
Great article. Truly informative. I have been watching all the great indian news channels on this issue for a long time. And with this single article I had to change all those flawed and misinformed perceptions indoctrinated by our national, corporate media.

Ms Roy has done a truly commendable work in giving expression to the "other side".Rather than issuing personal attacks on her, her intentions and integrity we should at the least show some empathy to the most poor and downtrodden sections of the Indian society whose cause she bravely took up.
Jeff Xavier
Kottayam, India
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