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Sanskrit As A Language Of Science
There is a misconception that Sanskrit language is only a language for chanting mantras in temples or religious ceremonies. That, actually, is less than 5% of the Sanskrit literature, more than 95% of which has nothing to do with religion...

Full text of the speech delivered by Justice Markandey Katju, Judge, Supreme Court of India  on 13.10.2009 in the Indian Institute of Science Bangalore 

It is a great honour for me to be invited to speak in the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, which is renowned as one of the foremost scientific institutes in India, and which indeed is recognized as a great centre of science throughout the world. Your institute has produced great scientists of international repute.

The topic which I have chosen to speak on today is `Sanskrit as a language of Science'. I have chosen this topic for two reasons:

1. You are yourselves scientists, and hence would naturally like to know about your scientific heritage and the great scientific achievements of your ancestors.

2. Today India is facing huge problems, and, in my opinion, these can only be solved by science. 

We have to spread the scientific outlook to every nook and corner of our country, if we are to progress. And by science I mean not just physics, chemistry and biology but the entire scientific outlook. We must develop the rational and questioning attitude in our people, and abolish superstitions and empty rituals.

The foundation of India culture is based on the Sanskrit language. There is a misconception about the Sanskrit language that it is only a language for chanting mantras in temples or religious ceremonies. However, that is less than 5% of the Sanskrit literature. More than 95% of the Sanskrit literature has nothing to do with religion, and instead it deals with philosophy, law, science, literature, grammar, phonetics, interpretation etc. In fact, Sanskrit was the language of free thinkers, who questioned everything, and expressed the widest spectrum of thoughts on various subjects. In particular, Sanskrit was the language of our scientists in ancient India. Today, no doubt, we are behind the Western countries in science, but there was a time when India was leading the whole world in science. Knowledge of the great scientific achievements of our ancestors and our scientific heritage will give us the encouragement and moral strength to once again take India to the forefront of science in the modern world. 

The word `Sanskrit' means “prepared, pure, refined or prefect”. It was not for nothing that it was called the `devavani' (language of the Gods). It has an outstanding place in our culture and indeed was recognized as a language of rare sublimity by the whole world. Sanskrit was the language of our philosophers, our scientists, our mathematicians, our poets and playwrights, our grammarians, our jurists, etc. In grammar, Panini and Patanjali (authors of Ashtadhyayi and the Mahabhashya) have no equals in the world; in astronomy and mathematics the works of Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta and Bhaskar opened up new frontiers for mankind, as did the works of Charak and Sushrut in medicine. 

In philosophy Gautam (founder of the Nyaya system), Ashvaghosha (author of Buddha Charita), Kapila (founder of the Sankhya system), Shankaracharya, Brihaspati, etc., present the widest range of philosophical systems the world has ever seen, from deeply religious to strongly atheistic. Jaimini's Mimansa Sutras laid the foundation of a whole system of rational interpretation of texts which was used not only in religion but also in law, philosophy, grammar, etc. In literature, the contribution of Sanskrit is of the foremost order. The works of Kalidas (Shakuntala, Meghdoot, Malavikagnimitra, etc.), Bhavabhuti (Malti Madhav, Uttar Ramcharit, etc.) and the epics of Valmiki, Vyas, etc. are known all over the world. These and countless other Sanskrit works kept the light of learning ablaze in our country upto modern times.

In this talk I am confining myself to only that part of Sanskrit literature which is related to science.

As already stated above, there is a great misconception about Sanskrit that it is only a language to be recited as mantras in temples or in religious ceremonies. However, that is only 5% of the Sanskrit literature. The remaining 95% has nothing to do with religion. In particular, Sanskrit was the language in which all our great scientists in ancient India wrote their works.

Before proceeding further, I may take a digression from the topic under discussion. In fact, I will be taking several digressions during the course of this talk, and initially you may think that this digression has nothing to do with the subject under discussion, viz. Sanskrit as a language of science, but at the end of the digression you will realize its intimate connection with the subject.

The first digression is to ask: What is India ? Although we are all Indians, many of us do not know our own country and hence I will explain.

India is broadly a country of immigrants.

While North America (USA and Canada) is a country of new immigrants, who came mainly from Europe over the last four or five centuries, India is a country of old immigrants in which people came over the last ten thousand years or so. Probably about 95 % people living in India today are descendants of immigrants who came mainly from the North-West and to a lesser extent from the North-East. Since this is a point of great importance for the understanding of our country, it is necessary to go into it in some detail (for further details see my article Kalidas Ghalib Academy).

People migrate from uncomfortable areas to comfortable areas. This is natural because everyone wants to live in comfort. Before the coming of modern industry there were agricultural societies everywhere and India was a paradise for these because agriculture requires level land, fertile soil, plenty of water for irrigation, temperate climate etc. which was in abundance in India. Why should anybody living in India migrate to, say, Afghanistan which has a harsh terrain, rocky and mountainous and covered with snow for several months in a year when one cannot grow any crop? Hence, almost all immigrations and invasions came from outside into India (except those Indians who were sent out during British rule as indentured labour, and the recent migration of a few million Indians to the developed countries for job opportunities). There is perhaps not a single instance of an invasion from India to outside India.

India was a veritable paradise for agricultural societies because it has level & fertile land, hundreds of rivers, forests etc. and is rich in natural resources. Hence for thousands of years people kept pouring into India because they found a comfortable life here in a country which was gifted by nature.

As the great Urdu poet Firaq Gorakhpuri wrote:

“Sar zamin-e-hind par aqwaam-e-alam ke firaq 
kafile guzarte gae Hindustan banta gaya”

Which means: “In the land of Hind, the Caravans of the peoples of the world kept coming in and India kept getting formed”.

Who were the original inhabitants of India ? At one time it was believed that the Dravidians were the original inhabitants. However, the generally accepted view now is that the original inhabitants of India were the pre-Dravidians aborigines whose descendants are the speakers of the Munda language who presently live in forest areas of Chota Nagpur, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa, West Bengal etc., the Todas of the Nilgiris, and others known as Adivasis. Their population is only 5 to 7% of the total population of India. The remaining about 95% people living in India today are descendants of immigrants who came mainly from the north-west. Even the Dravidians are now believed to have come from outside, probably from the present Pakistan and Afghanistan areas, and this theory is supported by the existence even today of a Dravidian language called Brahui which is spoken by 3 million people in Western Pakistan (see Brahui on Google). In this connection one may also see ‘Cambridge History of India, Vol. I.

There are a large number of religions, castes, languages, ethnic groups, cultures etc. in our country, which is due to the fact that India is a country of immigrants. Somebody is tall, somebody is short, some are dark, some are fair complexioned, with all kinds of shades in between, someone has Caucasian features, someone has Mongoloid features, someone has Negroid features, etc. There are differences in dress, food habits and various other matters.

We may compare India with China which is larger both in population and in land area than India. China has a population of about 1.3 billion whereas our population is roughly 1.15 billion. Also, China has more than twice our land area. However, all Chinese have Mongoloid features; they have a common written script (Mandarin Chinese) and 95% of them belong to one ethnic group, called the Han Chinese. Hence there is broad homogeneity in China.

On the other hand, as stated above, India has tremendous diversity and this is due to the large scale migrations and invasions into India over thousands of years. The various immigrants/invaders who came into India brought with them their different cultures, languages, religions, etc. which accounts for the tremendous diversity in India.

As already stated above India was a country ideally suited for agriculture as it has level land, fertile soil, plenty of water, temperate climate etc. It is only in agricultural society that culture, arts and science can grow. In the preceding hunting stage these cannot grow because man has no free time in the hunting stage, and he has to devote all his time to get his food by hunting animals etc. The struggle for existence compels him to do this from morning to night leaving him no free time for doing free thinking. It is only when agriculture begins that man can get some free time for thinking. Since India was a country ideally suited for agriculture, people had free time here to do thinking. In ancient India there was a lot of intellectual activity. In our literature we read hundreds of instances of Shastrarthas, which were debates in which the intellectuals freely discussed their points of view in the presence of a large assembly. Thousands of books in Sanskrit were written on various subjects, though perhaps less than 10% have survived the ravages of time.

I have made this digression to point out that it was the geographical condition of India (flat and fertile land, temperate climate etc.) which enabled our ancestors to progress a lot in science and culture as our country was ideal for agriculture and hence provided a lot of free time for thinking.

Before dealing with the specific achievements of our ancestors in the fields of Mathematics, Astronomy, Medicine, Engineering, etc. it is necessary to mention that the Sanskrit language made two great contributions to the development and progress of science in ancient India. :-

1. A language was created by the great grammarian Panini, namely Classical Sanskrit, which enabled scientific ideas to be expressed with great precision, logic and elegance. Science requires precision. Also, science requires a written language in which ideas can be written with great precision and logic.

No doubt the first language of people everywhere in the world is the spoken language, but further development of thinking cannot take place unless there is a written language in which ideas can be expressed with precision. A scientist may think out new ideas in his mind, but these will remain rambling, diffused and disorganized ideas unless they are set down in writing. By writing we give our ideas greater clarity and make them coherent and in a logical sequence, somewhat like in a mathematical theorem where each step logically follows from the previous step. Hence for progress in science a written language is absolutely essential in which scientific ideas can be expressed with great precision and logic.

2. A philosophy is required for the progress of science to give support and encouragement to science and scientific development.

As regards the first point mentioned above I will have to make another digression and go a little deeper and must tell you a little about the development of the Sanskrit language.

In fact Sanskrit is not just one language, there are several Sanskrits. What we call Sanskrit today is really Panini's Sanskrit, also known as Classical Sanskrit or Laukik Sanskrit, and this is what is taught in our schools and universities today, and it is in this language that all our scientists wrote their great works. However, there were earlier Sanskrits too which were somewhat different from Classical Sanskrit.

The earliest Sanskrit work is the Rig Veda, which was probably composed around 2000 B.C. However, it was subsequently continued from generation to generation by oral tradition, and had to be memorized orally in the Gurukul by the young boys by repeating the verses chanted by their Guru. The Rig Veda is the most sacred of Hindu literature, and it consists of 1028 hymns (richas) to various nature gods e.g. Indra, agni, surya, soma, varuna etc.

Language changes with passage of time. For instance, it is difficult to understand Shakespeare's plays today without a good commentary because Shakespeare wrote in the 16th Century A.D. and since then the English language has changed. Many of the words and expressions which were in vogue in Shakespeare's time are no longer in vogue today. Hence we cannot understand Shakespeare's plays today without a good commentary.

Similarly, the Sanskrit language kept changing from around 2000 B.C. when the Rig Veda was composed to about 500 B.C. i.e. for about 1500 years. In the 5th Century B.C. the great scholar Panini, who was perhaps the greatest grammarian the world has ever seen, wrote his great book `Ashtadhyayi' (book of eight chapters). In this book Panini fixed the rules of Sanskrit, and thereafter no further changes in Sanskrit were permitted except slight changes made by two other great grammarians, namely, Katyayana who wrote his book called ‘Vartika’, and Patanjali who wrote his commentary on the Ashtadhyayi called the ‘Maha Bhashya’. Except for the slight changes by these two subsequent grammarians, Sanskrit as it exists today is really Panini's Sanskrit or Classical Sanskrit.

What Panini did was that he studied carefully the existing Sanskrit language in his time and then refined, purified and systematized it so as to make it a language of great logic, precision and elegance. Thus Panini made Sanskrit a highly developed and powerful vehicle of expression in which scientific ideas could be expressed with great precision and clarity. This language was made uniform all over India, so that scholars from North, South East and West could understand each other.

I am not going into the details about the Ashtadhyayi but I will give one small illustration in this connection.

In the English language the alphabets from A to Z are not arranged in any logical or rational manner. There is no reason why F is followed by G or why P is followed by Q, etc. The alphabets in English are all arranged haphazardly and at random. On the other hand, Panini in his first fourteen Sutras arranged alphabets in the Sanskrit language in a very scientific and logical manner, after close observation of the sounds in human speech.

Thus, for example the vowels, a, aa, i, ee, u, oo, ae, ai, o, ou are arranged according to the shape of the mouth when these sounds are emitted, a and aa, are pronounced from the throat, i and ee from the palate, o and oo from the lips, etc. In the same way the consonants have been arranged in a sequence on a scientific pattern. The (ka) varga (i.e. ka, kha, ga, gha, nga) are emitted from the throat, the (cha) varga from the palate, the ( ta ) varga from the roof of the mouth, the (ta ) varga from the teeth, and the (pa ) varga from the lips.

I venture to say that no language in the world has its alphabets arranged in such a rational and systematic manner. And when we see how deeply our ancestors went in the seemingly simple matter of arranging the alphabets we can realize how deeply they went in more advanced matters.

Panini's Sanskrit is called Classical Sanskrit, as I have already stated above, and it is in contrast with the earlier Vedic Sanskrit that is the language (or languages) in which the Vedas were written.

I may now be permitted another digression here to tell you about the meaning of the word ‘Veda’, but that digression is again necessary to understand what Panini did.

The word Veda (also called `Shruti') consists of four parts :-

1. Samhita or Mantra, which consists of the four books Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda. The word ‘Samhita’ means a collection, and Rigveda is a collection of hymns as already stated above. The principal Veda is the Rigveda, and it is written in poetic verses called ‘richas’. The Samveda is really Rigveda set to music, while about 2/3rd of the Richas (poems) of Yajurveda are taken from the Rigveda. Some people regard the Atharvaveda as a later addition to the Samhitas, which were earlier known as ‘trayi vidya’ consisting of the Rigveda, Yajurveda and Samveda.

2. The Brahmanas, which are books written in prose in which the method of performing the various yagyas is given. Each Brahmana is attached to some Samhita. Thus attached to the Rigveda is the Aitareya Brahmana and the Kaushiteki Brahmana, attached to the Samveda is the Tandya Brahmana and some other Brahmanas, attached to the white (shukla) Yajurveda is the Shatapatha Brahmana and some other Brahmanas, attached to the black (Krishna) Yajurveda is the Taitareya Brahmana and some other Brahmana, attached to the Atharvaveda is the Gopath Brahmana. As stated above, these Brahmana are written in prose, unlike the Samhitas which are mainly in poetry, and they prescribe the rules for performing the various yagyas.

3. The Aranyaks, which are forest books. These contain the germs of philosophical thought, though in undeveloped form.

4. The Upanishads which incorporated developed philosophical ideas.

The above four, namely, the Samhitas, the Brahmanas, the Aranyaks, and the Upanishads collectively are known as Veda or Shruti.

The Brahmanas were written subsequent to the Samhitas, and their language is somewhat different from that of the Samhitas, obviously because the Sanskrit language had changed by the time they were written. Similarly, the Aranyaks were written subsequent to the Brahmanas, and, the Sanskrit of the Aranyaks is slightly different from that of the Brahmanas. The last part of the Veda is the Upanishads, and the language of the Upanishads is different from that of earlier Vedic works for the reason that the Sanskrit language kept changing over the centuries, as already stated above. The Sanskrit of the Upanishads is closest to Panini's Sanskrit.

After Panini wrote his Ashtadhyayi the entire non-Vedic Sanskrit literature was written in accordance with Panini's grammar, and even that part of the non-Vedic Sanskrit literature which existed before Panini was altered and made in accordance with Panini's grammar (except some words called apashabdas).

The Vedic literature is only about 1% of the entire Sanskrit literature. About 99% of Sanskrit literature is non vedic Sanskrit literature. For instance, the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Puranas, the works of Kalidas, etc. are no doubt highly respected but they are not part of the Vedic literature and hence they are now almost all existing in accordance with Panini's grammar.

To illustrate, some parts of the Mahabharata were written before Panini because Panini has referred to the Mahabharat in his Ashtadhyayi. Even such parts of the Mahabharata were altered and made in accordance with Panini’s grammar. Thus today all of the Sanskrit non-Vedic literature is in accordance with Panini's grammar, except a few words and expressions, called Apashabdas or apabhramshas (as Patanjali has described them) which for some reason could not be fitted into Panini’s system, and hence have been left as they were.

However, it was not permissible to change the language of the Rigveda and make it in accordance with Panini's grammar. Panini or no Panini, one could not touch the Rigveda, because it was held to be so sacred that it was not permitted to change its language. In fact after having been initially composed may be around 2000 B.C. the Rigveda was thereafter never written and it continued from generation to generation by oral tradition from Guru to Shishya.

Thus the Vedic literature is not in accordance with the Panini's grammar. However, the non-Vedic Sanskrit literature (which is 99% of the entire Sanskrit literature) is almost all in accordance with Panini's grammar, including all the great scientific works. This provided for uniformity and it systematized the language so that scholars could easily express and communicate their ideas with great precision. This was a necessary requirement for the development of science.

The spoken language no doubt is very useful, but the spoken dialects change every 50 or 100 kilometers, and hence there is no uniformity in them. A written language like Classical Sanskrit in which scholars could express and communicate ideas to other scholars living far away with great precision and clarity was thus absolutely necessary for the development of science, and this is the great achievement of Panini.

As regards the second factor contributing to the development of science in ancient India, namely, scientific philosophy I would now like to tell you something about Indian philosophy. Hence I am making another digression.

The generally accepted view is that there are six systems of Classical (orthodox) Indian philosophy (Shat Dharshana) and three non classical (unorthodox) systems. The six classical (orthodox) systems are Nyaya, Vaisheshik, Sankya, Yoga, Purva Mimansa and Uttar Mimansa (also known as Vedanta). The non classical (unorthodox) systems are Buddhism, Jainism and Charvak.

The Shatdarshanas are given below, with a brief mention of their viewpoints

Shatdarshana or six classical (orthodox) schools of Indian philosophy

1. Nyaya – presents the scientific outlook . It insists that nothing is acceptable unless it is in accordance with reason and experience. It was subsequently distorted by the later Nyayiks. 

2. Vaisheshik – presents the atomic theory.

3. Sankhya – Probably presents the materialist ontology of the Nyaya Vaisheshik system. However, very little of the original literature on Sankhya has survived, and there is some controversy about its basic principles, some saying that it is dualistic and not monistic because it has two entities, purush and prakriti, in it. 

4. Yoga – presents a method of physical and mental discipline 

5. Purva mimansa (or briefly mimansa) – lays emphasis on the performance of the yagya for attaining various spiritual and worldly benefits. Hence relies on the Brahmana part of the Vedas.

6. Uttar Mimansa (or Vedanta) – lays emphasis on brahmagyan, hence relies on the Upanishad part of the Vedas. 

It is said that the classical and non-classical system of philosophy differ in that the former accept the authority of the Vedas while the latter do not. However this does not seem to be correct as a close examination shows that the first 4 classical systems do not really accept the authority of the Vedas (though some of them pay lip service to it). It is the last two, the Purva Mimansa and the Uttar Mimansa, which certainly rely on the Veda.

I need not dilate on all these systems and it is only necessary to mention about the Nyaya and Vaisheshik systems, which represent the scientific outlook. Nyaya philosophy states that nothing is acceptable unless it is in accordance with reason and experience, and this is precisely the scientific approach (see in this connection D.P. Chattopadhyaya’s What is Living and What is Dead in Indian Philosophy which is a seminal work on Indian Philosophy). Vaisheshik is the atomic (parmanu) theory, which was the physics of ancient India. Originally Nyaya and Vaisheshik were regarded as one system, but since physics is the most fundamental of all sciences, the Vaisheshik system was later separated from Nyaya and made as a separate system of philosophy.

It may be added here that the Sankhya system is perhaps older than the Nyaya Vaisheshik systems but very little literature on it has survived (the Sankhya Karika and Sankhya Sutras and commentaries on them). However, the Sankhya philosophy certainly seems to have given the materialist ontological foundation on which the later Nyaya-Vaisheshik scientific philosophy was built, and hence we can broadly call the Indian philosophy representing the scientific approach as the Sankhya-Nyaya-Vaisheshik system. However, in brief we are calling it the Nyaya-Vaisheshik system, since we know much more about Nyaya and Vaisheshik then we know about Sankhya.

The Nyaya Vaisheshik system is (i) realist, and (2) pluralistic. This is in contrast to Advaita Vedanta of Shankaracharya which is monastic and regards the world as illusion or maya in the ultimate analysis. The word ‘pluralistic’ is in contrast to the word ‘monistic’. The word ‘monistic’ means that there is only one entity in the world. Shankaracharya’s Advaita philosophy says that there is only one entity in the world i.e. Brahman whereas the various objects like table, glass, pen, room etc. are not different from each other, and their difference is only an illusion. On the other hand, the Nyaya Vaisheshik systems says that there are several real entities and the world comprises of not just one entity, but a large number of entities which are different e.g. table, book, room, human bodies etc. Hence the Nyaya philosophy is pluralistic and not monistic.

In this connection it is important to again digress a bit and tell you something about philosophy.
The two most important branches of philosophy are ontology and epistemology. Ontology is the study of existence. In other words, in ontology the questions asked are what really exists? Does God exist? Does the world exist or is it illusion (maya)? What is real, and what is only apparently real?

Epistemology is the study of the means of valid knowledge. For instance, how do I know that this object in front of me exists? The answer is that it is Pratyaksha? I can see it with my eyes Pratyaksha is the knowledge which we derive from the five senses, and pratyaksha pramana is regarded as the pradhan pramana or the most basic of all the means of valid knowledge.

However, there are other pramanas e.g. anuman (inference), shabda (statement of some expert or authoritative persons) etc. Thus, much of scientific knowledge comes from anuman pramana. For instance, Rutherford never saw an atom with his eyes, but by studying the scattering of alpha rays (which are positively charged helium ions) he used anuman praman (inference) to deduce that there was a positively charged nucleus around which negatively charged electrons were orbiting. Similarly, black holes can not be known by pratyaksha pramana (since light cannot escape from them), but we can infer their existence by the movement of some nearby heavenly bodies on which an invisible body (the black hole) is exercising a gravitational pull. 

The third Pramana in the epistemology of the Nyaya system is Shabda Pramana, which is the statement of an expert or a person having great reputation in a particular field. We often accept such statements to be correct, even though we may not understand the proof, because the person making it has a reputation of an expert. 

For instance, we accept that e=mc2 as Shabda pramana since Einstein has a great reputation as a theoretical physicist, although we ourselves may be unable to understand how he reached that equation (as that will require a knowledge of higher mathematics and physics which we may not possess). Similarly, we accept what our doctor tells us about our ailment, as he is an expert. 

There is another pramana called upama (analogy) in the Nyaya system, but we need not go into it here.

As already stated above, the Nyaya Philosophy represents the scientific outlook, and it places great emphasis on the pratyaksha pramana (though this too may sometimes be deceptive e.g. a mirage). This is also the approach of science because in science we largely rely on observation, experiment and logical inferences.

It may be mentioned that Pratyaksha pramana may not necessarily lead to truthful knowledge in all cases. For instance, we see the sun rising from the east in the morning, going up above us in the mid-day, and setting in the west. If we rely only on Pratyaksha Pramana we would conclude that the sun goes around the earth. However the great mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata in his book Arybhatiya wrote that the same visual impression will be created if we assume that the earth is spinning on its axis. In other words, if the earth is rotating on its axis it will appear that the sun rises form the east and sets in the west. Hence along with Pratyaksha Pramana we have also to apply reason, as observation alone may not always lead to truthful knowledge. 

It may be mentioned that the Nyaya philosophy developed logic to an extent even beyond what Aristotle and other Greek thinkers did (see D.P. Chattopadhyaya’s books in this connection), and logical thinking is necessary for science. 

Thus the Nyaya philosophy gave great support and encouragement to science in ancient India. It must be mentioned that the Nyaya philosophy is one of the Shat Darshanas i.e. one of the six orthodox systems in Indian philosophy, and not an unorthodox system like the Charvaks. Hence our great scientists could not be persecuted by the orthodox people since they could say that they were relying on an orthodox philosophy, namely, the Nyaya. This was unlike in Europe where some of the greatest scientists like Galileo were persecuted by the Church for preaching ideas inconsistent with the Bible.

In ancient India there were everywhere debates or Shashtrarthas which permitted free discussion of ideas, criticism of one’s opponent, and free dissent in the presence of a large gathering. Such freedom of thought and expression led to great development of science, since science also requires freedom, freedom to think, freedom to express one’s ideas, and freedom to dissent. The great scientist Charak has mentioned in his book Charak samhita that debating is necessary for the development of science, particularly debating with one’s mental equals.

In the earliest Nyaya text, which is the Nyaya Sutras of Gautam, several categories of debate are mentioned e.g. vad, jalp, vitanda, etc These were further developed by the subsequent writers of Nyaya 

Having explained these two factors which gave great encouragement to the development and progress of science we may now come to the specific subjects of science dealt with by our ancient scientists.

MATHEMATICS

The decimal system was perhaps the most revolutionary and greatest scientific achievement in the ancient world in mathematics. The numbers in the decimal system were called Arabic numerals by the Europeans, but surprisingly the Arab scholars called them Hindu numerals. Were they really Arabic or Hindu? In this connection it may be mentioned that the languages Urdu, Persian and Arabic are written from right to left but if you ask any speaker of these languages to write any number e.g. 257 he will write the number from left to right. This shows that these numbers were taken from a language which was written from left to right and not from right to left. It is accepted now that these numbers came from India and they were copied by the Arabs from us.

I would like to illustrate the revolutionary significance of the decimal system. As we all know, ancient Rome was a great civilization, the civilization of Caesar and Augustus, but if one would have asked an ancient Roman to write the number one million he would have almost gone crazy because to write one million he would have to write the letter M which stands for millennium (or one thousand) one thousand times. In the Roman numerals there is no single number greater than M, which stands for one thousand. To write 2000 we have to write MM, to write 3000 we have to write MMM, and to write one million one has to write M one thousand times.

On the other hand, under our system to express one million we have just to write the number one followed by six zeros.

In the Roman numerals there is no zero. Zero was an invention of ancient India and progress was not possible without this invention.

I am not going into details about the great contributions of our great mathematicians like Aryabhatta, Brahamgupta, Bhaskar, Varahamihira etc. and you can read about them by using Google. However, I may just give two simple illustrations in this connection.

The number 1,00,000 is called a lakh in the Indian numeral system. 100 lacs is called one crore, 100 crores is called one arab, 100 arabs is called one kharab, 100 kharabs is called one neel, 100 neels is called one padma, 100 padmas is called one shankh, 100 shankh is called one mahashankh, etc. Thus one mahashankh will be the number 1 followed by 19 zeros (for further details you may see V.S. Apte's Sanskrit English Dictionary on the internet by using Google). On the other hand the ancient Romans could not express any number larger than one thousand except by repeating M and the other numerals again and again.

Take another illustration. According to the Agni Purana, the Kaliyuga in which we are living consists of 4, 32, 000 years. The preceding Yuga is known as the Dwapar Yuga and is twice as long as the Kaliyuga. Preceding the Dwapar Yuga, is the Treta Yuga which is thrice the duration of the Kaliyuga. The Yuga preceding Treta Yuga is the Satyuga which was said to be four times longer than the Kaliyuga. One Kaliyuga, one Dwapar Yuga, one Treta Yuga and one Satyuga are collectively known as one Chaturyugi (or 43 lacs 20 thousand years). Fifty Six Chaturyugis are known as one Manovantar. Fourteen Manovantars is known as one Kalpa. Twelve Kalpas make one day of Brahma. Brahma is believed to have lived for billions or trillions of years.

When our people do the sankalp, which is to be done everyday by orthodox people, they have to mention the exact day, month and year of the Kaliyuga as well as the Chaturyugi, Manovantar and kalpa in which we are living. It is said that we are living today in the 28th Chaturyugi in our present Manovantar, that is to say half the Manovantar of our Kalpa is over, but the remaining Manovantar is yet to be completed. We are living presently in the Vaivasvata Manuvantar.

One may or may not believe the above system, but one can only marvel at the flight of imagination of our ancestors who could conceive of billions or trillions of years in history.

Aryabhatta in his famous book called the Aryabhatiya wrote about algebra, arithmetic, trigonometry, quadratic equations and the sine table. He calculated the value of Pi at 3.1416, which is close to the actual value which is about 3.14159. Aryabhatta's works were later adopted by the Greeks and then the Arabs.

I am not going into the contribution of the other mathematicians e.g. Brahmagupta, Bhaskar, Varahamihira etc. as that will take too much time.

ASTRONOMY 

In ancient India, Aryabhata in his book Aryabhatiya presented a mathematical system that postulated that the earth rotated on its axis. He also considered the motion of the planets with respect to the sun (in other words there was a hint in Aryabhat’s system of the heliocentric theory of Copernicus, though there is a debate about it). The other famous astronomers of that time were Brahma Gupta who headed the astronomical observatory at Ujjain and wrote a famous text on astronomy, and Bhaskara, who also was a head of the astronomical observatory at Ujjain. Varahamihira presented a theory of gravitation which suggested that there is a force due to which bodies stuck to the earth, and also kept the heavenly bodies in their determined places. 

I am not going into detail into these theories of these great astronomers, but I would certainly like to say that it is remarkable that even today predictions can be made about the time and date of solar and lunar eclipses on the basis of calculations made by the ancient astronomers thousands of years ago, and that too at a time when there were no modern instruments like telescopes etc. and observations had to be made with the naked eye. 

MEDICINE 

The names of Sushruta and Charaka are the most famous in ancient Indian medicine. Sushruta is regarded as the father of Indian surgery and he invented cataract surgery, plastic surgery etc. many centuries before it was invented by the westerners. In his book Sushruta Samhita he has mentioned in great detail about the medicines and surgeries, including dozens of instruments used in surgeries, details of which can be seen on the internet by using Google. Sushruta said that to be a good surgeon one has to have a good knowledge of anatomy. Charaka Samhita is an ancient Indian Ayurvedic text on internal medicine written by Charaka and it is central to the modern day practice of Ayurvedic medicine. Both Sushruta Samhita and Charak Samhita were written in Sanskrit, details of which also can be seen in the internet in Google. In this connection it may be mentioned that in the London Science Museum in one floor relating to medicine, there is mention of the various achievements in medicine in ancient India including the surgical instruments used by Sushruta. 

It is thus evident that India was far ahead of all countries in medicine in ancient times. 

ENGINEERING

In Engineering, too, we had made great progress as is evident from the great South Indian temples in Tanjore, Trichy, Madurai, etc. as also the temples in Khajuraho, Orissa, etc. It is said that there was an institute in Aihole in Karnatka in the 6th Century A.D. which developed structural mechanics. The principles developed by this institute e.g. sloped roofs were applied to structures built in Kerala, eastern Andhra Pradesh and Tamilnadu.

I may now make another digression, but that too will be relevant to the topic under discussion: The attitude of the British Rulers towards Indian Culture 

The attitude of the British rulers towards Indian culture passed through three historical phases. 

The first phase was from about 1600 AD when the British came to India and established their settlements in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta as traders upto 1757 when the Battle of Plassey was fought. During that period the attitude of the British was totally indifferent towards Indian culture because they had come here as merchants to make money and they were not interested in Indian culture at all. 

The second phase was from 1757 to 1857 AD i.e. upto the Sepoy mutiny. In 1757 the Battle of Plassey was fought after which the Diwani of Bengal was granted to the British by the Mughal emperor. This transformed the Britishers from merchants to rulers, after which the entire province of Bengal (which included Bihar and Orissa) came under their rule. A ruler has to know about his subjects in order to properly administer their territory. Hence, from 1757 to 1857, the Britishers carefully studied Indian culture and made some important contributions, particularly with respect to spread of knowledge of Indian culture to the West. 

The third phase begins with the Indian mutiny of 1857 and its suppression by the British rulers. After 1857, the British were determined that there should not be any such outbreak against their rule. For this purpose they did two things: (a) they increased their army in India and particularly the number of Europeans in the Indian Army, and also placed the artillery completely in the hands of Europeans artillery and (b) they started a policy of deliberately demoralizing the India people by spreading the propaganda that Indians were only a race of fools and savages before the British came into India and there was nothing worthwhile in Indian culture as it was the culture of fools and savages. This was deliberately done so that the Indian people may themselves start believing that they were an inferior race and should gladly accept the Britishers as their masters. It is because of the third phase that we had forgotten the great achievements of our ancestors, including their achievements in science.

It is the second phase mentioned above which is of particular interest, because it is in this period that the British carefully studied Indian culture.

Among such Britishers, the foremost was Sir William Jones who came to India in 1783 as a Judge of the Supreme Court of Calcutta. Sir William Jones was born in 1746 and he was a child prodigy who had mastered several languages such as Greek, Latin, Persian, Arabic, Hebrew etc. at a very young age. He had studied at Oxford University and had also passed his Bar examination to qualify as a lawyer. When he came to India he was told that there was an ancient Indian language called ‘Sanskrit’ and this aroused his curiosity and he became determined to study it. Consequently, he enquired and found a good teacher called Ram Lochan Kavi Bhushan – a poor Bengali Brahman who lived in a dark and dingy room in a crowded locality in Calcutta. Sir William Jones started going to this person to learn Sanskrit. He has written in his memoirs that when the daily lesson was completed he would glance behind and saw the " Bengalee Brahmin" washing the floor where Sir William Jones sat to learn his lessons as he was regarded as a Mleccha. However, Sir William Jones was not insulted by this as he was a scholar and hence thought that one should accept the customs of the teacher. 

Having mastered the Sanskrit language, Sir William Jones established the Asiatic Society in Calcutta and also translated many of the great Sanskrit works e.g. Abhigyan Shakuntalam into English. This work was brought to the notice of the great German scholar Goethe who greatly praised it. Sir William proved that Sanskrit was very close to Greek and Latin. In fact, it was closer to Greek than to Latin because Sanskrit has three numbers – singular, dual and plural as is the case with Greek, whereas Latin has only two numbers – singular and plural, like in English, Hindi and many other languages.

Thus, Sir William Jones established that Sanskrit, Greek and Latin were all descended from a common ancestor and he was the creator of modern comparative philology.

There were several other British scholars who did research in Indian culture, particularly during the second historical phase mentioned above, but it is not necessary to go into detail about it as it will take too much time.

Suffice it to say that these scholars were wonderstruck about the great achievements of Indian scholars whose works were all written in the Sanskrit language. 

Condition of Science in Modern India 

I have stated above, at one time India was leading the world in science. Scholars from Arabia and China would come to India to learn from us in our great universities at Taxila, Nalanda, Ujjain etc. as our disciples. However, it must be regrettably stated that today we are lagging far behind the West in modern science. We have no doubt produced great scientists & mathematicians like CV Raman, Chandrasekhar, Ramanujan, S.N. Bose, J.C. Bose, Meghnad Saha etc., but these belong to the past.

However, that is not because of any inherent defect in us, but because of certain historical reasons. In fact, much of Silicon Valley in California is today manned by the Indian scientists, particularly in information technology. In most of the science and mathematical faculties in American Universities there are a large number of Indian professors. Hence, it is not due to any inherent inferiority that India has not progressed as much as Westerners in science in modern times, but due to certain other reasons. We have a powerful scientific heritage and knowledge of it would give us the moral courage and strength once again to come in the forefront of science in the modern world. 

A question which arises is why did we later fall behind the West in science when we were earlier far ahead. This is also known as Needhams’s question. Professor Needham of England was a brilliant bio-chemist who later studied Chinese culture and wrote books on the history of science in China in several volumes. In one of these volumes he has raised the question why China which was at one time ahead of the West in science, having made great discoveries like gun-powder, printing, paper etc., later fell behind and did not have an industrial revolution. The same question is to be raised for India too. 

To my mind the answer to this question is that necessity is the mother of invention. We had reached a certain level of scientific development, but after that, it was not necessary for survival for us to develop further. On the other hand, the geographical factor in Europe compelled the Europeans for sheer survival to move ahead in science. The Europeans who were at one time lagging behind India (which was ahead in the fundamental sciences) and China (which was ahead in the applied sciences) learnt these sciences and then for survival had to make further progress. 

In India we have a relatively temperate climate and there is not only a summer crop (called Kharif) there is also winter crop (called Rabi). On the other hand, Europe has a cold and harsh climate with the land covered by snow for 4 or 5 months in the year in which there can be no winter crop. Hence for sheer survival the Europeans were compelled to progress further in Science as their population had increased. Perhaps that is the reason why they moved ahead, while we remained behind. This, however, is only my tentative view, and I welcome the views of others. 

To solve our massive problems today we must quickly catch up with the West in science. Only with the help of science can we abolish poverty, unemployment etc. which are our major social problems today.

 

 
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Oct 27, 2009 02:38 AM
60
Gayatri/Lalit,

>> i presented einsteins views because i have the same view myself.

The subject was that Einstein never said those words which were attributed to him. But if some agnostic's name is mentioned, are you always going to jump in, saying, "Me too"?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 27, 2009 01:40 AM
59
faruki

i presented einsteins views because i have the same
view myself.

great men think alike-

do you disapprove of einsteins view. in essence it just
confirms the attitude of agnostics. our morals are
not dependent on fear of punishment or joy with future rewards.

i dont believe in hell or heaven, which motivates many christians and muslims.

whats your idea about heaven.?
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 26, 2009 11:43 PM
58
Gayatri/Lalit,

>> einstein said that he believed in morals, but not in a god who ordered punishments or gave rewards.

Completely irrelevant to the point I was making, namely that Einstein never said the words attributed to him. Your trying to make it a Hindu-Muslim issue is something we can expect from a professional hate-pracharak like you. Truth would not be important to you, because perpetuating falsehoods is your stock in trade!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 26, 2009 11:19 PM
57
I wish to go into one of the digressions in the speech, namely, the caste system in India. Justice Katju mentions that the settlers before the speakers of Aryan and Dravidian languages were the Mundas, Todas, etc. They can be considered the present day Scheduled Tribes. Who are the Dalits? In Tamil Nadu, some decades ago, these were known officially as Adi Dravidas.
I think that the hundreds of castes are the remnants of the various tribes in India, just like those in Africa. The Aryan classification of castes was only into four varnas, which seemed to have ignored the presence of these hundreds of castes.
How are the Dalits different from the STs? Of course, they lived along with the caste people, but in the outskirts, away from them, and pursuing undignified and unclean professsions like those of butchers and cobblers. So they became untouchables. But, the great Vaishnavaite Sri Ramanujacharya tried to bring them into the mainstream, calling them THIRUKKULATHOR, meaning descendants of great lineages.
So, who are they and why are they being discriminated against to the present day? They even wish to take it up internationally as RACISM.
I would like to know from those who know.
R. NARASIMHAN
CHENNAI, INDIA
Oct 26, 2009 10:11 PM
56
Gayatri Devi
What you said about Bengalis is conceded as correct.
But the efforts to resuscitate the language itself is to hark back to that dreary past. A language that was put on a pedestal high above the common man to reach should not be matter of pride as claimed. And the sectarian vanity over it is misplaced as it has not produced someone to bring happiness and prosperity to the ordinary man in the main. Greatness of any achievement and/or accomplishment should judged by the benefit accrued to the masses, not to a select few. Sanskrit does not stand that test, does it?
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
Oct 26, 2009 04:51 PM
55
maha
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i read einsteins views on god and religion on wikepedia.

einstein said that he believed in morals, but not in a
god who ordered punishments or gave rewards, a direct
critique of both chritianity and islam.

ofcource the auggies and the faruki,s have different views as one would expect.

i am on the side of einstein.

people who believe in hell for their enemies and heaven for themselves are lunatics.

this can be seen from the comments of both.

praise the lord.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 26, 2009 04:51 PM
54
M_R:>>"The truth is that Hindus have all the time and opportunity to develop a Sanskrit-based education for their children. Complaining about some anti-Hindu bias for preventing this is absurd."

you are right. diversity, a good trait among hindus, has now ended up as a disabling disunity, destroying the whole culture and its base relig. unity on basic values is the only answer for self-survival of hindus. blaming others is not going to help, other than identifying those who exploited our differences, for future carefulness.

'uddharet aatmanaa aatmaanam', raise yourselves [materially and spiritually] by one's own effort, says the Gita. oppo always rises for any propo, in the second-order 'action-reaction' world. hinduism and sanaatanist india can rise, again in the world, only thro united and collective self-efforts, anticipating and overcoming all oppositions, mischiefs and machinations by prevent it, from all others, all over the world.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 26, 2009 02:41 PM
53
The truth is that Hindus have all the time and opportunity to develop a Sanskrit-based education for their children.

Complaining about some anti-Hindu bias for preventing this is absurd.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Oct 26, 2009 11:30 AM
52
Maha,

>> Who is Dragon Warrier ? What is its authority ?

It does not require any authority to say that a quotation is phony. If you can show any published sources of that "Einstein quote" prior to 2005 other than citing an internet web page as its source, you would prove Dragon Warrier to be wrong.

>> If you have any doubt about importance of Geeta, you are welcome to contact Nasa and verify how they are using the book. Donot quote some worthless person to bring down Bhagvad Geeta.

The Gita does not need any phony quotes to affirm its status. Only insecure Hindus and Muslims go looking for quotes from inportant Western personages to bolster their religions.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 26, 2009 07:39 AM
51
Scaria Verghese,

>> The following statement of Albert Einstein (1879-1955) - “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous, we owe a lot to the Indians who taught us how to count, without which no scientific discovery could have been made”

According to Wikiquote, " 'Very much doubt Einstein ever said that, but perhaps someone can provide a source? It's just hindu propaganda methinks' .... 'I removed this "quote" as almost certainly fabricated, as a google search indicates no published sources of it prior to 2005, and that book merely cites an internet web page as its source. Though Einstein respected many traditions the stated views are directly contrary to most of his known opinions regarding traditional faiths and his notions of God. ~ Dragon Warrior 19:08, 26 June 2008' (UTC).
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 26, 2009 02:44 AM
50
>>"sanskrit forms the backbone of indian culture. the substance of our culture lies in sanskrit texts. to condemn sanskrit and make the populace ignorant of it and its literature, is to effectively make the populace lose their understanding of the substance of their culture. over a period of time, when the substance has been diluted, it is very easy to steer the populace away from their culture saying it is meaningless. cultural subversion, this is it."
nandakumar
chennai, india

Nandkumar, that is very well put. This is exactly the secularist agenda aided and abetted by the ignorant westernized elite who treat everyting coming from the west as gospel and everything Indian as grabage. Their so called education has made them blind.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Oct 25, 2009 08:36 PM
49
Senthamarai..you should change your name..you singularly lack a sense of beauty and your logic is purely perverse..Tamil Nadu must be a land of Milk & Honey now that you have driven out all the "Crossbelts" and installed a highly inspirational dynasty..with a name like Stalin you cant go wrong !!
Joe Brodway
New York, USA
Oct 25, 2009 08:23 PM
48
This refers to Vikram Chandra's observation "There is no evidence of Sanskrit dealing in a humane way, with regard to society. Sanskrit lacks in frankness of expression."

I often times wonder about comments like yours. Gunter Grass didn't win a prize because he writes in German..Sanskrit is just a language and the ability to use any language to express, propound a view point is entirely up to the person who wields the pen..it is not an inherent weakness of the language..to say Sanskrit lacks capacity to express various human emotions only exposes your lack of awareness..
Joe Brodway
New York, USA
Oct 25, 2009 12:30 PM
47
Just a note on JayKay Charborthy's comments,
Please don;t make laughable statements and please don't try to quote an unsacholarly web site! The link to the paper I gave(which was unfortunately removed by the moderator) is to an ACM one! I am sure you are not of computer science background. So don't try to make simplistic arguments here based on a weak counter argument here to Panini-Bauckus discussions.

BTW, just to piojnt out the MAIN flaw in your comments, BNF notation is what is used to device a grammar for many modern imperative language for computers which includes C/C++/FORTRAN/Java! BNF in itself is not a language! Please the discussions(of some atleast) here are scholarly. So we expect only scholarly rebuttals!
Raja
Chicago, United States
Oct 25, 2009 10:21 AM
46
Please note my comments below only refer to Dravidians and marxists from the respective states of TN and WB that are rabidly antoi-hindu :-)

Moderator's note: Please refrain from personal attacks and abuse. We are constrained to remove many comments which, without the use of invective, may actually have furthered the discussion.

Raja
Chicago, United States
Oct 25, 2009 07:36 AM
45
POSTSCRIPT

I stated "... But that also carries a great value in it ". - I should have specified the"value" : it is the precision, unambiguity in its exposition and all such qualities of Sanskrit. The "power of the pen" translates into the power of the language structure in reality.

This is not the forum for debating the pros and cons of "computer" languages, but some strange analogy prompts me to add the following comment.

The first, i.e. original, high level computer language invented was FORTRAN. Like Sanskrit, its strict syntax and rules made it very difficult for the beginners to learn and hence it has fallen into disrepute with the IT community to my knowledge. IT courses rarely teach FORTRAN now a days.

But due to its scientific precision (no chance of making any error, otherwise the program will crash) FORTRAN, with its variant ADA, is in wide spread use in software engineering for military purpose: tracking enemy aircraft, launching guided missiles etc etc. So there lies the message - the opinions of so-called IT experts do not always count as useful in the industry at large.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Oct 25, 2009 05:09 AM
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Raja
Chicago, United States

Great point made to your credit and most appreciated at least by me. There is much truth in the saying "a little learning is a dangerous thing"! This is exactly the case with the anti-Sanskrit mob. Their anti-Hindu and anti-Indian mindset have blinded their vision.

Incidentally, as pointed out by Dr Seshadri in the past forums, Sanskrit was never a spoken language among the mass - only some learned scholars in ancient India spoke Sanskrit among themselves. The spoken language was "Prakrit" among the mass. That is obvious since the grammar and syntax in Sanskrit is very strict - its rigidity is a hindrance for everyday use. But that also carries a great value in it !

It has an analogy with Hochdeutsch which is rarely spoken anywhere among the German people excepting in a small enclave around Goettingen. But written German (science books and literature, law etc) are all in Hochdeutsch.

I think greatest damage has been done to Sanskrit by the Islamic invasion in India. Thousands of Sanskrit books and sources were destroyed by those evil people in the past, not to mention the forceful conversions.

Again that has an exact analogy with the events that followed with the Nazis coming into power in central Europe - the "Krisatllnacht" in Berlin !
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Oct 25, 2009 01:38 AM
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pls find below the link for BNF.

http://www.infinityf..._es_rao-t_syntax.htm

It reads like a case of appropriating a genuine invention of the poor Backus. The proposal is pure bunkum as is apparent from the non-acceptance by the IT professionals. Even the BNF is used in a very narrow field of Natural Language Programming(NLP), which has nothing to do with the mainstream programming or computers.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Oct 23, 2009 04:26 PM
42
biswas

calcutta

just look at the date on your calender-

it is october 23, 2009.

you are talking about 1853-

bongos in general have lost their minds. they prefer
fenceing with yesterdays ghosts rather then the problems of today.

bengal was badly governed by the congress, then the indian communists. you guys are waiting gor godo.

keep waiting, whineing and occupied with pseudo intellectualism. germany was completely demolished after the second world war. however the germans did not
waste their times talking and singeets. they went to work.

most posters in outlook are mentally lazy , backward in their thinking. they are like old wives, telling old wive tales,and full to the brim with conspiracy theories
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 23, 2009 09:48 AM
41
I cannot agree more with what Senthamarai from Chennai has posted. Justice M. Kutju of the Supreme Court was expected to say what he has said and invited some of the posts the speech deserves, though may sound unflattering.
The claim that Sanskrit is devbhasa (a language of the Gods) in itself is a prescription for its decline and demise in silence. A language which not a vehicle of mass communication is destined to die neglected in a democratic polity. It can be kept alive by defraying disproportionate share of tax payers money. It's, since ages, a language of discrimination and disharmony.
Let me cite instance from the Sanskrit College, Calcutta the British East India Company had established. Till 1853, it was out of bounds for the Sudras for admission, though it survived on government revenue [tax payers money]. The Kayasthas of Bengal applied in 1853 for admission in the college for the honour of studying the language of so-called devas. The Director of Public Instructions, Heyes [I hope my memory serves well] invited opinion of Pundit Iswar Chandra Sharma Bandopadhyay, fondly known/called as Vidyasagar, who was the Principal of the College. The Company was truthful in their commitment in non-interference in social and religious matters of the Indians per se. So before deciding any issue having bearing on social norms or religion, they invariably consulted the scholars, Hindu as well as Muslim, well-versed in theology.

Vidyasagar wrote a long letter quoting scriptures on caste and pointed out that the Kayasthas were Sudras, who, ipso facto, were not entitled to study the language of the Gods. But because they had, by then, come up and progressed in many spheres---educational, social, economic and political---might be allowed admission. But, he further stated, they should not be allowed to study theology in the college. The Kayasthas, who are Bengali Sudras, thus got the privilege of admission in the reputed Sanskrit College, Calcutta.
Next year, [1854]the Sonar/Subarna banik [goldsmith caste of Bengal] too sought the privilege of admission in the Sanskrit College. Again the Government called for views of the Principal Vidyasagar. He, in a brief but terse letter, wrote that he would not agree to further relaxation and support the prayer for admisssion of the goldsmith caste of Bengal in the College. His solitary reason for opposition was that they occupied a position, very low in the ladder of castes of Bengal!!! Their dream for studying Sanskrit was, therefore, opposed, nay, shattered by one who is celebrated as an educationist and social reformer. The British sometime later boldly went aganist all barriers of caste and prejudice and threw open the Sanskrit College for admission there to all. A class of intellectual Bengali gives credit for this to Vidyasagar despite his sordid record cited above.
This is the devbhasha!!! The Principal, Jagadweependra Narayan Government Sanskrit College, Koch Behar, West Bengal the other day [mid-1990s] proclaimed that the Sudras had no right to study Sanskrit. In ancient times, he did not mince words, they would be slaughtered on royal fiat for the temerity of outraging the devbhasha.
The language might be having all the merits claimed by the learned speaker no doubt but it was cornered and turned by a mischievious gang of self-seekers into an engine of exploitation and oppression, of practicing inequality and discrimination and of preaching hate and prejudice for claiming/extracting loads of priviliges without the labour it needed. Why despite all tall claims of science, India does not boast of an invention that is capable of making mankind world over happy and prosperous? The celebrated saints and sages in the language, on the contrary, wrote scriptures favouring widow burning on the death of her husband. Her son was to light the fire for burining alive his mother. Such sons and their generations of progenies are curse for any nation.
Their Shastras created social disharmony and animosity by their prescriptions and precepts and divided people into warring camps, destroying any prospects of harmony and co-existence as good neighbours.
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
Oct 23, 2009 07:07 AM
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Our forefathers like Aryabhatta and others had brilliant minds and some of their theories in black and white stood out in good stead to be copied by some western inventors and claimed as their own ideas.

The following statement of Albert Einstein (1879-1955) - “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous, we owe a lot to the Indians who taught us how to count, without which no scientific discovery could have been made”- is served to enhance this.

The question now is-why don’t we produce men or, that matter, women of unique brilliant minds like yesteryears? This is in no way I am denigrating our scientists who are men of calibre and they excel in our ISRO and some at NASA.
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
Oct 23, 2009 01:20 AM
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The reason for the backwardness of India is very simple- slavish adherence to feudal traditions and superstitions.
The West didn't wake up one day and say, hey, we're going to become the leaders in science. They too had their feudal traditions and entrenched religious mores which kept the masses as poor and ignorant as their Indian counterparts.
But it was greed- the lust for exotic products of the East and the immense amounts of money to be made, which fueled the thirst for knowledge, and the urgent need to conquer the seas to find the land/s of riches.
This led to almost every nation in Europe embarking on a urgent search for knowledge/science.
The invention of the steam engine put them in the drivers seat, and the industrial revolution was born, allowing for mass production of all manner of products, which needed tons of workers, who fled the fields to towns and cities, which led to the breakdown of traditional feudal society- something which India still has to do.
It was this industrialization along with over-zealous Christian Missionaries need to save the souls of the heathens, which became the basis of the myth of White Supremacy and the excuse for colonization of the 'uncivilized' dark-skinned savages.
India was deliberately denied the benefits of the industrial revolution by her colonial masters who had to be kept the natives in their. place
Until and unless the peoples of this poverty-stricken land break off the shackles of their debilitating feudal traditions of caste and superstitious beliefs, they'll be forever mired in filth and squalor.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Oct 22, 2009 10:28 PM
38
whats the fact that before moghul invasion there was freedom of thought. seeing the destruction in kalinga war ashoka became a buddhist and many of his subjects.buddhism was mainly an atheist/agnostic philosophy and hinduism has nothing to do with it. moghuls except a brief foray by alauddin khilji were not involved in south but it still had worse caste discrimination(may be because of adisankara belonging to kerala).in the culverts of 11th century its mentioned on how certain communities were prohibited from having windows in houses size of houses etc.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Oct 22, 2009 08:55 PM
37
It is a fact that before the Moslem invasions, there was far more freedom of thought. The very fact that you had atheists, agnostics alongside theists proves it.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Oct 22, 2009 08:50 PM
36
The Chola occupation was very brief, and it did not lead to any conversion of the natives. There is also no historical bitterness about this 'invasion'. Nobody in Southeast Asia today speaks about it. The main motive was to suppress piracy in the Northern Indian Ocean.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Oct 22, 2009 01:18 AM
35
Essay is kind of an eye opener on Sanskrit, but some factual errors exist.

In this paragraph,
"..Hence, almost all immigrations and invasions came from outside into India (except those Indians who were sent out during British rule as indentured labour, and the recent migration of a few million Indians to the developed countries for job opportunities). There is perhaps not a single instance of an invasion from India to outside India."

But he his wrong, Cholas from South India invaded and occupied South-East Asia, and even had an ambassador to China 1000 Years back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholas.
Nithyanandam K
Chennai, India
Oct 21, 2009 11:49 PM
34
This speech of the scholarly judge must have put 90% of the audience to sleep
aditya chopra
chandigarh, India
Oct 21, 2009 11:44 PM
33
As I expressed my opinion about Indian people...I do no mean to sideline the main subject. Katju has said well about Sanskrit. Bottom line is that Indian people are made tofforget their heritage. the children are not taught proper history, and very few schools teach Sanskrit.

Agree with Saria from Melbourne on Indias contribution to world in Science (Art, Language and many other areas). And it is all documented in Sanskrit!!

Teach and speak Sanskrit!! It is still not too late!....
Madhusut
Indraprastha, India
Oct 21, 2009 11:37 PM
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> India is broadly a country of immigrants.

Of course Katju has rights to have opinion, but saying this like this authoratitively does not make sense. There were some theories floated during British raj and were guarded by Indologists later on ... But all the people in India are not migrated - of course like any other countries, there are some who are migrated long back and have settled here accepting India as their country.
Madhusut
Indraprastha, India
Oct 21, 2009 05:05 PM
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"It is shame that IISc even invited.......
Why is there such a situation? I also agree. In 1949, the constituent assembly should have passed Ambedkars bill to bring Sanskrit (see post 18) to the national mainstream. His intentions was very sophisticated. He was more sincere than Nehru. 60 yrs down the line. Katju would have spoken at JNU OR OTHER Univ were the study of Sanskrit would have been a separate dept. It is India' misfortune that BRA's bill was not passed.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Oct 21, 2009 03:38 PM
30
S_V:>>"Sanskrit should be taught at least at high school levels"

You are right. But, political stranglers of education in india, today, are preventing sans-education even for students asking for it as an additional course!. they think opposing sans will punish the Bs. but, as per sans itself, braamhaNa means 'god-minded', seeking only liberation from material existence. the word Soodra in sans really stands for Subha-ud-dhraavaka, 'welfare-up-lifter' for society. Senthhamarai should be proud, really, if considered a soodra, really!.

Vivekanand deplored that moghuls and brits have driven the relig of hindus into the kitchen. grandmas' misunderstood ritualist attitudes have taken over as religion of hindus, the vile antinationals funding todays' politicians are exploiting it. only the wakeup by new generation, via internet perhaps, can take the fools'-land that is india now, into the wisdom-land it used to be, in ancient days..
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 02:11 PM
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sanskrit forms the backbone of indian culture. the substance of our culture lies in sanskrit texts. to condemn sanskrit and make the populace ignorant of it and its literature, is to effectively make the populace lose their understanding of the substance of their culture. over a period of time, when the substance has been diluted, it is very easy to steer the populace away from their culture saying it is meaningless. cultural subversion, this is it.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 02:07 PM
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>sanskrit, latin are classic languages because they >are no longer in use

sanskrit was never a common man's spoken language. it was a scholar's language. even today so many people learn it. compose literature in it etc. condemning it as a "dead language" is just a marixist distortion/fantasy.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 02:01 PM
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>It is language of racist exclusion. It was the >BIGGEST racist tool with which brahminical hegemony >was perpetrated on vast majority of Indians to keep >them subjugated.

>Almost all the above are related to the religion OR >societal control of brahminical hierarchy through
>religion

>This one achievement can be easily conceded as one >off extraordinary contribution to the progress of the >world by ancient indian sanskritists (panini et al). >Again it was done for the express purpose to preserve >and freeze vedic sounds which are exclusive to >others.

apparently "red rose" never heard of the use of sanskrit by buddhists, jains, shaataakists etc. sanskrit was not brahmanical language alone. it was also used extensively by every other religious/cultural stream in india. though the buddha taught in pali and the jina in ardha magadhi, over a period of time their followers took up using sanskrit as the lingua franca for these religious streams.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 07:01 AM
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This article is nothing more than a narcissistic, racist, (psuedo) superior and disgusting brahminical vomiting on unsuspecting others using centuries old lies, deceptions and falsehoods.

>> Today India is facing huge problems, and, in my opinion, these can only be solved by science.

It is a bogus idea of brahminical-congress and (pseudo) leftists which is being recycled in many forms and has been proved wrong many times over in the past. We need an humane, universal and more just approach to our problems than a dry scientific ones.

>> We must develop the rational and questioning attitude in our people, and abolish superstitions and empty rituals.

Can make sense only if the superstitions and the rituals also include blind Indian patriotism, Indian nationalism and support to the Indian state's killings on India's name. These questionings will be of any value if ONLY the questioners believe in their own subsequent conclusions and follow up with actions conforming to their views.

>>The foundation of India culture is based on the Sanskrit language.

Bull sh*t

>> There is a misconception about the Sanskrit language that it is only a language for chanting mantras in temples or religious ceremonies.

Here Katju is correct that Sanskrit is not just chanting language. It is language of racist exclusion. It was the BIGGEST racist tool with which brahminical hegemony was perpetrated on vast majority of Indians to keep them subjugated.

>> More than 95% of the Sanskrit literature has nothing to do with religion, and instead it deals with

Katju is imagining very vividly.

>> philosophy, law, science, literature,
Almost all the above are related to the religion OR societal control of brahminical hierarchy through religion

>> grammar, phonetics, interpretation etc.
This one achievement can be easily conceded as one off extraordinary contribution to the progress of the world by ancient indian sanskritists (panini et al). Again it was done for the express purpose to preserve and freeze vedic sounds which are exclusive to others.

>>In fact, Sanskrit was the language of free thinkers, .....ancient India.

BS, that is why all the ancient, medieval and modern inventions are attributed to Indians

>> but there was a time when India was leading the whole world in science.

Again BS. It is shame that IISc even invited this crackpot to talk. I can only imagine how terrible his delivery justice can be.
>> There is perhaps not a single instance of an invasion from India to outside India.

Utter non-sense. THERE WAS NO CONCEPT CALLED INDIA BEFORE BRITISH. Indians were always invading, killing, looting their neighbors all the times (like in any parts of the world) Kingdoms of Northwest india were always in war with Afghan and Central Asian kingdoms! Just because highly stratified North Indian kingdoms did not have enough wherewithal to invade other nations far away from the their neighborhood does not imply anything more romantic than that fact. Secondly, did Katju forgot about the imperial Cholas or Bengalis who went on killing, and terrorising South east asian nations? Or did he forgot about the Bihari invaders in Srilanka forming a Sinhala society?
My guess is that he does not consider Tamils and Bengalis as Indians.

>> However, the generally accepted view now is that the original inhabitants of India were the pre-Dravidians aborigines whose descendants are the speakers of the Munda language

NON-SENSE

>> the Todas of the Nilgiris,

Plain NON-SENSE again

>> Since India was a country ideally suited for agriculture, people had free time here to do thinking.

Hot and new findings/interpretations on India!

>>In ancient India there was a lot of intellectual activity.
Oh yeah, plain old brahmnical excuse for their imbecility and islamophobia.
'In the ancient era we were all great, just the b*stard muslim invaders f*cked it all!'

>> which were debates in which the intellectuals freely discussed their points of view

Except that the debates were among crossbelts only with sponsorships from crossbelts wannabes sitting on the sidelines. And more importanr is the brahminical semantic shift for the word 'debate' which is 'to back-scratch each other lies for obtaining a bigger and all inclusive stench of lies'

>> though perhaps less than 10% have survived the ravages of time.

Katju is under soma-induced delusions

>> I have made this digression

Thank god to the digression for making us to guess what is going to follow and helping us to STOP wasting more time on this garbage.
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Oct 21, 2009 01:59 AM
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faruki

and i suppose you speak classical urdu.

you are a fraud. how the hell do you know so much of
classic chinese,or classic sanskrit.

bull.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 21, 2009 01:48 AM
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Gayatri/Lalit,

>> sanskrit, latin are classic languages because they are no longer in use.

Greek is still in use, but there is something called "Classic Greek". "Classical Chinese or Literary Chinese is a traditional style of written Chinese based on the grammar and vocabulary of ancient Chinese, making it different from any modern spoken form of Chinese"... "Classical Arabic (CA), also known as Qur'anic or Koranic Arabic, is the form of the Arabic language used in literary texts from Umayyad and Abbasid times (7th to 9th centuries)."(Wikipedia).

How come you are such a dunce?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 21, 2009 12:08 AM
23
faruki

old danish differs from present day danish,which has
a much larger vocabulary-

old danish is not considered to be a classic language.

sanskrit, latin are classic languages because they are
no longer in use. what was your reason for includeing
classic arabic- the usual genuflection before the
arab master race.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 20, 2009 11:58 PM
22
Namo4,

>>>> "they started a policy of deliberately demoralizing the India people by spreading the propaganda that Indians were only a race of fools and savages before the British came into India and there was nothing worthwhile in Indian culture as it was the culture of fools and savages. This was deliberately done so that the Indian people may themselves start believing that they were an inferior race and should gladly accept the Britishers as their masters." >> we still have anti hindus like faruki.

You are such a liar. I have never tried to debase either India or Hindus. There are people in this forum who do so, but you will never speak against them because they also debase Islam and Muslims. I do however criticize Sanghis and Islamists who have supremacist attitudes.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 20, 2009 11:48 PM
21
Gayatri/Lalit,

>> chinese and arabic are not classical languages.

"Classical Chinese or Literary Chinese (???) is a traditional style of written Chinese based on the grammar and vocabulary of ancient Chinese, making it different from any modern spoken form of Chinese"... "Classical Arabic (CA), also known as Qur'anic or Koranic Arabic, is the form of the Arabic language used in literary texts from Umayyad and Abbasid times (7th to 9th centuries)."(Wikipedia). How come you are so ignorant?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 20, 2009 10:59 PM
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I do believe that popularizing sanskrit would not help us get ahead in the field of science and technology. In the west ppl used to learn Latin to understand the texts, but now a day only a few ppl learn Latin. The reason is that whatever basic knowledge is required to research further ahead is all available is English, readily. Earlier it was not like that hence the need to learn Latin. Same could be said about sanskrit, especially in the field of science. All the knowledge is available in English for further research.

The essay is very erudite, but I find the following paragraph full of mischief:

"Even the Dravidians are now believed to have come from outside, probably from the present Pakistan and Afghanistan areas, and this theory is supported by the existence even today of a Dravidian language called Brahui which is spoken by 3 million people in Western Pakistan (see Brahui on Google). In this connection one may also see ‘Cambridge History of India, Vol. I."

It only seems like parivar has accepted that aryans have come from outside but at the same time they insist that dravidians also came from outside. This is not acceptable. Dravidians are a native race of Indian subcontinent which includes Pak, Afg, Burma etc.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Oct 20, 2009 05:50 PM
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"they started a policy of deliberately demoralizing the India people by spreading the propaganda that Indians were only a race of fools and savages before the British came into India and there was nothing worthwhile in Indian culture as it was the culture of fools and savages. This was deliberately done so that the Indian people may themselves start believing that they were an inferior race and should gladly accept the Britishers as their masters. It is because of the third phase that we had forgotten the great achievements of our ancestors, including their achievements in science"

and we still have anti hindus like faruki and all the so called secular gang like arundhati roy, romila thapar etc and the media like OUTLOOK sucking and sticking to the british idea.
namo4
London, United Kingdom
Oct 20, 2009 04:57 PM
18
Mr Rajesh
"Unfortunately he looks through brahmanical eyes which makes him handicap and prevents from doing thorough analysis"

BR Ambedkar a 100% indigenous Indian had vision for Sanskrit.

http://tilak.sulekha...dkar-in-sanskrit.htm

A dispatch of the Press Trust of India (PTI) dated September 10, 1949 states that Ambedkar was among those who sponsored an amendment making Sanskrit as the official language of the Indian Union in place of Hindi. Most newspapers carried the news the next day, i.e., on September 11, 1949 (see the issue of Sambhashan Sandeshah, a Sanskrit monthly published from Delhi , June 2003: 4-6).

Other dignitaries who supported Dr Ambedkar’s initiative included Dr B.V. Keskar, then the Deputy Minister for External Affairs and Professor Naziruddin Ahmed. The amendment dealt with Article 310 and read: 1.The official language of the Union shall be Sanskrit. 2. Notwithstanding anything contained in Clause 1 of this article, for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this constitution, the English language shall continue to be used for the official purposes of the union for which it was being used at such commencement: provided that the President may, during the said period, by order authorise for any of the official purposes of the union the use of Sanskrit in addition to the English language . But the amendment was defeated in the Constituent Assembly due to the opposition of the ruling Congress Party and other lobbyists.

If Ambedkar had succeeded, the renewed interaction between Sanskrit as the national language and speakers of other languages would have initiated a sociological process of upward and downward mobility. While rulers, pilgrim centres, and temple complexes used to be the traditional agents of such interaction, the state operated broadcasting agencies, school textbooks, and the film and music industry would have emerged as new agents facilitating that interaction.

Here is another reference from AN Haksar in his review of ” The Modernity of Sanskrit ” by Simone Sawhney ( who is an acdemic in USA and has written that Sanskirt has been hijacked by Hindu Nationalists) . She misses the point that Dr BR Ambedkar wanted Sanskrit as a national language. Mr AN Haksar has rightly pointed this out. Here is the reference.

http://venetiaansell.wordpress.com/category/books/

Please scroll in the reference a bit down.
Here is the extract from the web site.
“For example, while the author dwells on the exchanges between Gandhi and Ambedkar on caste and reservation, she omits any notice of Ambedkar’s proposal in the Constituent Assembly to make Sanskrit the official language of the Indian Union. Nor does she note the rich tribute to Sanskrit paid by Nehru, the acclaimed symbol of India’s modernity”

The author here is Simone Sawhney and the reviewer AN Haksar.

Now you see the reply of Prof Romilla Thapar to Dr Yvette Rosser when she queried about Sanskrit. Here is the reference

http://www.infinityf...ers/paper_rosser.pdf

See page 3 conversation in the above web site.
“When I questioned Romila Thapar5, a well know historian from JNU, about this issue during July 2000, she explained that if students want to learn Sanskrit, “there are so many Maths and Piths around where they can go”.6 She added that most of the regional colleges have some kind of Sanskrit program. However, the fact remains that the primary tool to study ancient India, namely the Sanskrit language, has not, in all these years, been available to students attending JNU. At India’s premier academic institution–famous for its cutting edge Social Science excellence– students are not offered courses in Sanskrit, the root language of Indian culture. And significantly, implementing the study of this quintessential part of Hindu tradition was time and again vehemently opposed by the faculty”.


Dr BR Ambedkar , who rose like a phoenix from the ashes, did have a genuine greivance against the upper caste for treating the Dalits badly and denying them a lot of good things. But one must at the same time appreciate BRA’s great gesture in 1949 to make Sanskrit a national language. The reply of Prof Romila Thapar to Yvette Rosser that Sanskrit is available in Mutts and Piths and they can go there. She then says that regional colleges have some Sanskrit program. The reply looks that the study of Sanskrit should not come to the mainstream.

Now BRA did not want Sankrit to remain in the realm of Mutts and Pitts. He wanted to bring Sanskrit into the realm intellectual and educational discourse and not just remain in religious discourse. This was a remarkable idea for man denied to learn Sanskrit when he was young.

Readers should just compare the reply of Romila Thapar to Yvetter Rosser and BRA’s exemplary effort. In 1949, there were eminent personalities who could recite verses in Sanskrit. None of these personalities supported BRA in his effort. The Bill was never passed. 60 yrs have passed. If the bill had been passed , probably , there would have been great insights given to Sanskrit language in the portals of India’s leading universities.

Edwin Bryant, an associate professor of religion at Rutgers University and the author of two books on the Aryan invasion, went to the heart of either argument in his presentation of the “Intellectual History of the Debate.”

http://www.indiawest...re.aspx?id=953&Sid=8

The issue was one of the most hotly contested debates throughout the 1990s. “The debate has died down in Western academic circles somewhat recently, not because it has necessarily been resolved decisively in the minds of everyone, but in part because scholars became exhausted with the polemical and emotional tenor of the discussion and the missionary zeal which the opposing views were pursued,” he stated.


To determine the origin and culture of the earliest inhabitants, the philological method was applied to Sanskrit text. “We must recall that the equation of language with race was rarely brought into question until relatively recently,” he pointed out.

Most of the arguments raised by the detractors of the Indo-Aryan migration theory rely on archeological evidence “partly due to the fact that there has been so little opportunity available for the study of historical linguistics in India,” Bryant noted.

In India, there are only three institutions devoted to the study of Indo-European linguistics, “and this whole issue is a linguistic issue, and it’s a shame (there are not more institutions), because Indians with their knowledge of Vedic have a head start in this whole field,” Bryant contended.

“It would be nice if at least that point was somehow stressed in conferences such as this, that somehow encouragement be given to Indian academic institutions to establish departments of historical linguistics.”

Now to start department historical linguistics as said ny Prof E Bryant, one must have Universities with Sanskrit depts, which is not there and he admits that Indians have head start in Vedas as everyone agrees that Sanskrit is the language of the Vedas. He also says that it is a shame that there are only three institutes devoted to study of Indo-European languages. Prof Ed Bryant is neutral when it comes to the AIT or OIT theory. His lament now , was the vision of Dr Ambedkar. So long, they give a communal color to the study of Sanskrit in India, it would be difficult to transfer the study of Sanskirt from relgious discourse to a rigorous intellectual tour de force.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Oct 20, 2009 04:34 PM
17
AKG:>>"instead of making your own guesses".

most discoveries start as guesses only. Only intelligent guesses lead to larger questions and deeper insights.

one reason, perhaps, for india being deficient in current excellence, inside the country, leaving us only proud of ancient achievements here and of our countrymen now abroad, is because bec we behave like frogs in box, not requiring any lid, since each frog will ensure the others not going up! no wonder very little original development work in india, in science or techno. It is true in our educ-res inst also. more competition, resistance, against achievements, than cooperation, for accomplishments!.

my own doctoral work was done mostly abroad, encouraged by profs. had to come back, bec of rivalry tactics, had a lot of resistance, delays, manipulated by jealous elements, before I could manage to get a degree for the work, published abroad anyway! india does not need any enemies from outside, more than enough within our own country, in our own govts, institutions.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 20, 2009 02:55 PM
16
faruki

chinese and arabic are not classical languages.

neither is urdu a classical language.

your lack of elementary knowledge is note worthy.

regarding tolerance, you as a muslim should be the last person to talk about it. you have gotten me banned
5 times for opinions which you find annoying.

the list of people you disapprove of would run into
millions. your playing the minority card in india,
and elsewhere and ignoring the treatment given to
hundreds of millions of women, nonmuslims is known to
all in this forum.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Oct 20, 2009 02:43 PM
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Much of the modern scientific, literary works are composed in German, English or French. These languages were practically an anathema during medieval ages of Europe in literary circles, when Latin was the rule. There is no evidence of Sanskrit dealing in a humane way, with regard to society. Sanskrit lacks in frankness of expression. It's a sad reflection on the language recited every day in Indian temples. Even languages like German, which are less poetic in nature and known for scientific temperament have won a many literary awards. This year's nobel laureate in literature is a German, Herta Muller, who dealt with harsh living conditions in communist Romania. None of the ancient Sanskrit scholars had realism in mind, which is why Sanskrit is so full of mythology. In contrast, folk traditions in other Indian languages are connected to existence in a very meaningful way.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Oct 20, 2009 01:29 PM
14
@ Prem

I fully agree with your views. I like sanskrit but even I do not advocate sanskrit medium. Reality and romance are far apart. We need to know that language for deeper understanding of our cultural ethos and the past.

You are quite right. If we were strong the Brits could not have conquered us.
For few centuries we were rudderless and leaderless and unfortunately it is continuing even now.

We have no great leader who can guide us through the path of systematic improvement in infrastructure, quality of education, dignity of research organisations and armed forces such that others see us in positive light.
And sanskrit is not going to do that job.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 12:59 PM
13
Dr S

Pls better concentrate on critical analysises of the existing datta instead of making your own guesses .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics

'In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 AD to 1200 AD), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, and Bhaskara II. The decimal number system in use today[2] was first recorded in Indian mathematics.[3] Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the concept of zero as a number,[4] negative numbers,[5] arithmetic, and algebra.[6] In addition, trigonometry, having evolved in the Hellenistic world and having been introduced into ancient India through the translation of Greek works,[7] was further advanced in India, and, in particular, the modern definitions of sine and cosine were developed there.[8] These mathematical concepts were transmitted to the Middle East"
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Oct 20, 2009 12:35 PM
12
Bhaskara had composed 24 Stanzas which enunciates the Compelete Trigonometry .The book containing translation I read in 1960 .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Oct 20, 2009 12:10 PM
11
Seshadri,

Interesting article. While Sanskrit is a sound and lucid language, your "sanskritizations" introduce only obfuscation and arbitariness which are not conducive to a scientific discourse.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 20, 2009 11:53 AM
10
Now that we are discussing the role of sanskrit, I am reminded of an article I gave for my students' magazine in SSNCE, a few years ago. I am just giving it below:

The Spiritual Relevance of Sanskrit
in the Modern High-Tech World
************
by

Dr.V.Seshadri, Professor-Emeritus, SSNCE
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This article is in response to a specific request from the editors of CYNOSURE for a contribution that would touch upon Sanskrit and Indian Philosophy, areas I am known to have a weakness for often digressing into, during my lectures on engineering and technological subjects. I hope it will serve the purpose of justifying my interest and indulgence in Sanskrit, removing some misconceptions about it and generating an open mind among current Indian students of technology , who may have a world-wide scope of service and operation in the 21st century, enabling them to fully utilize a powerful resource, uniquely their own, for high-tech contributions in the just-arrived Indian Century of the world as a global village. The various aspects on the subject may be presented in five broad perspectives:

I. . Sanskrit as unifier all religions and cultures at the Spiritual Level :

Sanskrit is the mother of all the languages of the world, but not the mother-tongue for any one in the world. It is hence not in competition with any other language of the world. It is the language of communion between the human spirit within the space-time continuum and the Universal Spirit beyond. it. Hence, discussion on whether Sanskrit is a dead or living language is somewhat irrelevant, since its existence and operation is somewhere beyond life and death. In fact, the Eternal truths and names of the worshipped or revered entities found in all religions, become all the clearer and obvious of their verity and value when interpreted as Sanskrit words: For example,
Religion = hrillajjaa , heart-felt modesty towards life
Zeus = Sivah, goodness incarnate
Jupiter = dyaowh-pitaa , the lord of cosmic space = viSwam vishNuh,
Aphrodite = aparaa diti, the material causal power of the universe
Yahvey = yoga-vedyah, knowable in spiritual union = jehova;
Jerusalem = yadu-sthalam, place for yadus, yoodas, the jews
Abraham = aabrahmah, from the cosmo-creator , brikadam maati iti brahma
David = daiva-vid knower of the divine
Ahura mazda = aahuta-samasta, consumer of all in offering, i.e. fire
Jesus Christ = Jesus Chrishtus in Latin,
= eeSah krishTah, the almighty drawn towards devotees
John, yohaannes = yoga-aSmsah, essential aid for union with the Absolute
Baptism = avaaptee-karaNa = upanayana , bringing human into God’s ambit
Mary = maaree, maatrubhaavo reetih yasyaah, motherhood incarnate
Bethlehem = veda-lagna =
Confucious = sam-poojyah, fully venerable
Mohammed = mahaamatih, great mind
Velan = velah = vedanaam layeekaroti - reliever of all pain
Devil = daveelah, dayaam vinaa eershaa-lagnah , source of passion w/o compassion

In fact sanskritized interptretations of names and concepts of different religions show that at the higher spiritual level, all religions speak the same language, bringing out the clear equivalences of similar concepts and spiritual power entities across religions . as follows:
Zeus = Jupiter = Shiva /Vishnu = God = Allah
Mary, holy spirit = maree, = Divine Mother, paraa sakti
Christ, Immanuel , Samuel = manoo-velah[manushyaagato velah], syaamuvelah -
= Velan = Subramhanya , s/o Siva & nephew of Syaam[ =Krishna=Vishnu ]
Velaankanni = velaambikaa kanyakaa, virgin mother of Vela [ = Christ]
John = yohannes=yogaamSa=yaana-roopa= eleph-like carrier for salvation = Vinaayaka
Allah = harah = Sivah
Rahman = rahamaanah = the in-dweller = vishnu
Islam = eeSa-raama-mata = where God alone is desired = faith in Siva/Vishnu

One incidental conclusion from the above is that that conversionist and anti-conversionist sentiments and movements in the world are both unnecessary and illusory, since all religions can be seen to lead to literally the same Absolute’s various equivalent levels of benevolence to devotees. Once this is understood all round the concept of the conflict of civilizations will also lose its credibility. In fact the word civilization, when sanskritized, becomes
Saiva-layee-sthitih = being immersed in divine goodness. Hence true civilizations will all eventually come under the One Absolute Power of Goodness called God, called by various names : ekam sad vipraa bahudhaa vadanti.

II. Role for Sanskrit in Philosophy, Science and Technlogy:
From time immemorial, Sanskrit has been used mainly for recording universally valid philosophical or scientific perceptions with full clarity and high precision. What takes a page in English can be condensed into a two-line poem in Sanskrit. In my own personal experience, what started as diary-writing of one’s observations on life in English first, ended up as poems in Sanskrit for high brevity. I sometimes use for teaching, for knowledge-compression., as for example the following poem on Robotics:
rocaneeya-bhaTo yantrah
robhaTah Soka-varjitah
nir-aahaaree nir-viSraamee
drishTi-maan buddhi-maan calee

III. No role for Sanskrit in Commerce, etc
Sanskrit is not a language meant to be used for homely communications. For that, the mother tongue is the best.
Sayyaa-aahara-vihaareshu maatr-bhaashas viSishyate
Nor is Sanskrit the language for commercial communications in the market or for political debate or education/research/development or literary pursuits, for which the regional, national and international languages qualify at various levels.
Attempts to make S a widely spoken language or official language unwarrantrd

S as language for spiritual, devotional and high-value literary purposes sufficient

IV. No antagonism , but high correlation , between Sanskrit and Tamil
My own mother tongue is Tamil, a great and powerful language, which I love and have praised as follows:
zhakaara-alankritaa bhaashaa puraaNaa praakritaa paraa
tamo-naaSaat tam-eekshaNaat tattvagjnaa tamizh-ambikaa
Even the ancient sages and seers of India had their mother-tongue called Prakrit and they utilized Sanskrit only for spiritual perceptions in meditation resulting in the Vedas and for devotional and historical/mythological poetry such as by Valmiki and Vyasa and Kalidasa and others, for the preservation high-value knowledge for posterity..

One of major misconceptions in currency is that Tamil pertaining to the Dravidian culture is isolated from and antagonistic to Sanskrit associated with the so called Aryan culture. But the word draavida itself is a Sanskrit word expanding as dravaNam vetti iti draavidah, meaning the knower of the deep driving forces of the cosmos The rishis of dandakaaranya of the Ramayana days were the draavidas, lead by the great Sage Agasthya, with a Sanskrit. With the blessings of Lord Muruga, the favourite deity of the draavidas, they developed the simplified script for Tamil with a few significant consonants taken from Sanskrit [ sa, ha, ja, sha, ksha] making for San-thamizh [ later being called chen-thamish by Bharathi.], Without sa-kaara, the first name of Muruga, namely skanda had to be only kanda. Punjabis say skanda and Arabs sikandar for the same name. In fact secunderabad is skandapuri, and Kandy in central Lanka is Skandee from where Lord Subramhanya conquered soorapadma . .

V. Sanskrit as the Spiritual Mother of all the World Languages:


Etymologically, Sanskrit forms the root of all the Indo-European languages which are written from left to right, including Tamil.. and other Indian languages. The languages written from right to left also have basically sanskritist language words and letters and syllables turned around right to left. For example, the sacred symbol of Om-kaara as written in North India, split into 3 elements and read right to left becomes the numbers 7, 8 and 6 in devanagiri numerals, explaining the sacredness associated in the Moslem world with the number 786. The writings in Hebrew [Siva-bruvaa] are essentially Sanskrit script with top-bar, written from right to left. The yadus who got dropped in yadu-sthala [Jerusalem] , on Sri Krishna’s return from trip to Greece to retrieve his teacher’s kidnapped son, became the yudas or the jews because of reverse-order reading of symbols.

Mantras formed in S more effective because, not being mother tongue, mentation
On sanskr mantra reqs greater concentration, less distraction,

Siignificant use of Sanskrit in this century word be in
AI Sys design for interlanguage translation using S as general medium language
in generating appropriate terminology for scientific concepts and fields of study. Even now, scientific words in English based on Latin which is itself derived from Sanskrit thro Greek, tend tell the truth if sanskritized
e.g micro-biology - moola-kula-bhaava-vidyaa

in clarifying the unity of all religions in their spiritual basi

vedaroopaa devabhaashaa, devas as cosmic forces sustaining manifest universe

zhakaara in Tamil = baby lord M’s challenge to Bramha

tolkaappiar is sthal-kaavyah in S, morer convincing

siddha wr as citta is citstha functionally correct

Many modern scientific terms developed by scientists from Greek, Latin and other languages and brought into use reveal their relevant meaning with clarity on sanskritization . For example:
Cybernetic system theory = Saiva-naaTika-swastha-vidyaa
Molecular biology in genetics = moola-kula-janana-vidyaa
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 20, 2009 11:49 AM
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Justice Markandeya Katju, since you have asked us readers to provide some ideas as to what could be done to improve the standards of science in this country:

1. Remove the reservation system in place for college level admissions. Apply the reservation system for all schools in the country. By the time the kids are ready to enter college, their mental makeup, their foundations in maths and science has already be set. If these foundations are poor, it is difficult to correct these in the college level. Also, those who come from the "good" schools (read as expensive schools) have most likely grown up and studied in an environment where there were other rich students from forward castes - with very little interaction with kids from the backward castes. So by the time they reach the college level, their caste prejudices and biases will already be pretty firmly established.

Therefore it is important to get ALL people including those from backward castes into the same schools along with the more advantaged castes. The backward castes should be offered concessional fees and scholarships in the school level itself.

The primary and the secondary schooling system should be geared to ensure that the students who pass the school leaving exam are all adequately coped to take on the tests for the college level entry exams.

The entry criteria for ALL people into the college level should be exactly the same. If 90% is the entry mark for a course, it should be the same for all castes.

If the people from the backward castes are unable to get this mark, that means it is a failure of the primary and the secondary schooling system - and these systems will need to be transformed.

Adjusting the entry criteria down in the college level for various castes is the absolutely wrong decision.

The college level kids from the backward castes should be given scholarships, concessional fees etc.. but the criteria for entry shouldn't be lowered.

2. Start teaching students even in the primary and the secondary schooling levels to do projects and team assignments. These shouldn't be an eye wash that they are now where students just have to present a "record" book with some copied notes from the lab. The projects should involve actual construction, actual demonstration in real-world scenarios. Example project: Build a balloon which can take a 250gm camera to a height of 10,000 ft. Photograph the school from this height. Bring back the camera and the balloon and present the methodology used for construction, deployment etc.

3. Make the exams really mean something - the questions should test concepts.. and not just memory.

4. The exams should be difficult to pass. If a student clears his engineering exam and receives an engineering certificate and is then found not to have the requisite skills, then it means that the board who issued the certificate did not do the adequate due diligence to prevent someone who doesn't have the skills from receiving the certification.

5. All professional courses (engineering, medicine, accounting etc) should involve a compulsory period of apprentice work from at least the second year of the course. Most kids who pass engineering courses have absolutely no clue as to how things work in engineering firms - this is a disgrace.

6. India needs a Science Foundation similar to the National Science Foundation. Also, the government should run competitions similar to those run by DARPA in the US.

Just some points.
Prem
Chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 11:28 AM
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While I do believe that Sanskrit is a good language, I believe the interest in popularising Sanskrit comes from the desire to further the hindutva agenda rather than anything else.

Also, I find this constant references to the "best", "greatest" in the world etc (example: "panini, who was perhaps the greatest grammarian the world") spread throughout this article quite tiring. Best / greatest in the world according to whom?

Why are we Indians constantly having to compare ourselves favourably with the rest of the world - is it because no one else cares? I think it has to do with an inherent sense of inferiority. I can see this very often when whites come down to India and the Indians fall over each other to impress them. Why?

If we are comfortable in our own skin as Indians, there is really no need to be constantly making these sorts of pompous (and unprovable) statements. It only makes us look defensive and insecure (both of which are probably true).

Let us admit one thing - India is far behind Europe and the US in science and technology - we may have had an advantage at one point, but we have completely squandered that advantage. And no, this had nothing to do with the British taking over India. If we were stronger than them and more advance than them, we wouldn't have been conquered.

Also, even while we were being taken over by the Brits, we were still using Sanskrit.. except those who were using it were doing all they could do stomp on the rights of everyone else. So it wasn't because we "forgot" Sanskrit that we lost our preeminence, if one can call it that, in this world.

Science and technology is not going to grow in this country because we are going to be popularising Sanskrit. The entire educational system which is based on rote-memorisation, which is caste-ridden and is based on archaic and ineffective methods needs to be completely overhauled.

Learning Sanskrit may be interesting hobby.. like learning Latin, but it is nothing more than that.
Prem
Chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 11:23 AM
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Justice Markandeya Katju,

It was good that you apologized to the Muslim community for your offensive comments of March 30 during the hearing of the petition of a Muslim student desirous of sporting a beard. It was also decent of you and Justice R V Raveendran to withdraw your order of March 30.

While I myself do not feel strongly either way on the issue of a student's right to keep a beard on religious grounds, your cavalier and uncouth remarks revealed a coarse communalist mindset which is most unbecoming in a Supreme Court Justice. I hope the lesson to be derived from this unfortunate episode has sunk in.

Your remarks on Sanskrit in this article are erudite. All classical languages, including Sanskrit, Latin, Greek, Arabic and Chinese, need to be preserved and should be learned by scholars.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 20, 2009 10:11 AM
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Justice Markandey Katju
It is all very well to talk of our glorious past, to educate and reeducate, we should take great pride in our numerous contributions to the world,but please enough! talk of the present, talk of the future, please talk about how our glorious past and intelligence has not transformed our present, with all our super past achievements, we remain a regressive society
Aleya Jung
New York, United States
Oct 20, 2009 09:52 AM
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In the heart of London, a British school has made Sanskrit compulsory subject for its junior division because it helps students grasp math, science and other languages better.
http://www.charityfocus.org/blog/view.php?id=1771
sandilya
Chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 09:49 AM
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Before British, Sanskrit literature was confined to select Brahmans. There wasn't any translation in spoken Indian language.
Rajesh

I am afraid your perception is not correct.
No doubt the Brits contributed a lot for the good of this country including literature. But it is not true that there was no translation in spoken Indian languages till they arrived.

Mahabharat & Ramayan were translated to South Indian language-Telugu- long before the British arrived. There contribution to sanskrit started with the discovery by Sir William Jones and other orientalists that Sanskrit was probably related to European languages.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 08:15 AM
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A sincere thanks to Mr Vinod Mehta for publishing this out of the world speech by JUstice Markandey Katju.Please give us mor like this instead of those boring politicians.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
Oct 20, 2009 08:14 AM
2
I generally agree with Justice Katju. He is right in describing India as land of immigrants. There has been continues flow of immigrants including waves of Aryans, Rajasthan's Rajput during 10-11 century, Muslims, Chittpawan brahmans and so forth.

He is also correct in depicting colonist British having superiority complex. But he ignored valuable contribution made by British in the area of Sanskrit literature. Unfortunately he looks through brahmanical eyes which makes him handicap and prevents from doing thorough analysis.
Before British, Sanskrit literature was confined to select Brahmans. There wasn't any translation in spoken Indian language. It was the British who did the first ever translation of Sanskrit scriptures and literature, first to English. That's how the masses came to aware of the ancient literature.

So if the world and much of India knows about Sanskrit texts, then give credit to the British. Brahmans did their best to hide.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Oct 20, 2009 07:29 AM
1
I am in complete agreement with Justice Markandey Katju

Sanskrit and India’s fait accompli:

1. India invented the number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. He was the first to explain the spherical shape, diameter, rotation and correct speed of earth in 499 AD. He also propounded Heliocentric theory of gravitation, thus predating Copernicus by almost 1000 years. The place value system and the decimal system were developed in India 100 BC.

2. World’s first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. Students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects.

3. Sanskrit is considered as the mother of all higher languages. It is more precise and thus suitable for computer software-a report in Forbes Magazine, July 1987.

4. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.

5. Baskraracharya-the time taken by earth by sun hundreds of years before astronomer Smart, given clear explanation with examples for infinity and the theory of continued fraction.

6. Madhavacharya-discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine functions about 250 years before Taylor, discovered Newton power series before Newton, discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory, and discovered Leibnitz series for pi about 300 years before Leibnitz.

7. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric Progression-described in Yujerveda.

8. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula about 1800 years ago before Newton.

9. Vaterswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward Interpolation formula about 1000 years ago before Newton.

10. Parameswracharya discovered Lhuilers formula about 400 years before Lhuilers.

11. Nilalanta discovered Newton’s Infinite Geometric progression convergent series before Newton.

12. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were explained by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmaputhra Siddhanta.

13. The Surya Siddhanta, a text book on Astronomy of ancient India, last compiled in 1000 BC, believed to be hand down from 3000 BC by aid of complex numeric recital methods still known today.

14. Boudhayana discovered the value of “pi” in the 6th century later known as the Pythagorean Theorem. This was validated by British scholars in 1999.

15. Algebra, trigonometry and Calculus came from India. Quadratic equations propounded Sridharacharya in the 11th century and the list is endless.

My request is that Sanskrit should be taught at least at high school levels and my regret is that that I haven’t learned Sanskrit,
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
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