For The Record
A Letter To The Economist
'Sometimes they say the Free Market provides a level playing field -- but then when questioned, they ask us to wait for Trickle Down. But things only Trickle Down slopes don't they?'
25 August 2009

To the Editor
The Economist

Dear Sir,

This is with regard to the review of my book Listening to Grasshoppers that appeared in The Economist. If this letter is long, ironically it is because the factual errors in the review are so many. In an attempt to highlight my "flawed reporting and incorrect analysis" the reviewer makes some extraordinary errors and leaps of logic:

1. "Ms Roy cites a massacre of perhaps 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat in 2002, in which the state's Hindu-nationalist government was allegedly complicit. Almost no senior official or Hinduist agitator has been prosecuted over the atrocity. And Narendra Modi, Gujarat's chief minister then and now, is currently vying to take over the leadership of the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, and one day India. Many of the country's industrialists would approve of that; even Ratan Tata, the gentlemanly head of the vast Tata Group which prides itself on its ethical dealings, has praised Mr Modi's business-friendly policies. Nothing annoys Ms Roy more."

Mr Tata did not merely praise Modi's business policies, he endorsed him warmly and publicly as a future candidate for prime minister. In India the said Mr Modi is still being investigated for his role in the 2002 pogrom. In his successful election campaigns after the pogrom, Modi brazenly cultivated communal hatred. He is a member of the RSS (Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh), an organization that is proud of its fascist origins and counts both Hitler and Mussolini as its heroes. In addition to the massacres about 150,000 Muslims were driven from their homes during the carnage. Even today, under Mr Modi's administration, most continue to live in ghettos, socially and economically boycotted in a brutal system of communal apartheid, while the killers continue to live as free, respectable citizens. Incidentally, after considering the available information, the US government has denied Mr Modi a visa. A handicap, wouldn't you say, for a potential prime minister? Incidentally, for more on the Tata's "ethical dealings" you could google "Kalinganagar" or "Singur".

2. ". . . she is not always a reliable witness. Her claim that in Kashmir last summer protesters were as likely to call for union with Pakistan as freedom from India is probably wrong; most seemed to want to be shot of both countries."

I have never made such a claim. Nobody with an even passing acquaintance with Kashmir would (or should) say something so ridiculous. Given the intensity and violence of the fratricidal wars that Kashmiris have fought, and the thousands that have lost their lives over the Pakistan vs Freedom issue, and given that Kashmiri leadership is still unresolved about the question, it's extraordinary that the reviewer can so casually and so glibly claim to know what the majority of people of Kashmir want. My essay on Kashmir is actually titled "Azadi", which in Urdu means "Freedom". Perhaps the reviewer is unfamiliar with the language?

3. "More typically, she appears to gather her facts from newspapers (her articles strike the reader rather as 'lounge notes'), before selectively arranging and then exaggerating them to suit her own ends. For example, about 25% of India's territory is alleged to be affected by a Maoist insurgency, but that does not make it, as Ms Roy writes, 'out of government control'."

If the reviewer had cared to read the book instead of ransacking it, he/she would have come across a sentence that clarifies that several of the essays are "responses to the responses" about certain events. Given that much of my book is a critique of the disturbing role that a section of the corporate media has played in these events, is it surprising that media reports are frequently referred to? Most of the time this is in order to expose them for being false and motivated. To conclude from this that my "facts are gathered from newspapers" and that the articles are "lounge notes" is laughable.

The figure of 25 % of India's territory being under Maoist insurgency is a figure advanced by the Indian security establishment and is probably a slight exaggeration. However, it is a fact that vast swathes of India's territory are out of government control. It is for this reason that the Government has announced that in October, after the rains, there will be a military operation in states like Chhattisgarh, Orissa and Jharkhand in which ground troops will be backed up with helicopter gunships and satellite mapping. A brigade headquarters is being established in Raipur (Chhattisgarh), and 26,000 paramilitary troops (the same Rashtriya Rifles who are deployed in Kashmir, and similar to the Assam Rifles deployed in Assam, Manipur and Nagaland) are being raised for this war. This is in addition the thousands of security personnel who are already deployed in these areas. Perhaps the reviewer has never visited Dantewara , seen the burned, empty villages, or crossed the Indravati into the territory that is called "Pakistan", where police and security forces do not venture? Perhaps he/she hasn't heard of Abujmaad?

4. "Beyond India, her grasp of her subject-matter gets looser. If Ms Roy believes, as she writes, that a good portion of Africa's 'contemporary horrors' are caused by America's 'new colonial interests', she would do well to pay a visit to the continent."

My book is about India, not Africa, but yes, there is a paragraph about Africa. Here's the sentence the reviewer refers to: "The battle to control Africa's mineral wealth rages on -- scratch the surface of contemporary horrors in Africa, in Rwanda, the Congo, Nigeria, pick your country and chances are that you will be able to trace the story back to the old colonial interests of Europe and the new colonial interests of the United States." My mistake here is that I didn't mention the new colonial interests of countries like China and India as well. Does your reviewer not know about the legacy of Shell Oil in Nigeria? Or the politics that surrounds the mining of a mineral called coltan? Or of how Belgium's colonial regime structured the barriers of hatred between the Tutsis and the Hutus in Rwanda with their racist profiling and social engineering? As for the recommendation that I pay a visit to the continent . . . it's a grand idea, but how does one visit an entire continent? I have visited parts of it. Plenty of times. But the reviewer should know that it is possible to know things about places even if you haven't been to them, like historians know things about history without traveling back in time.

5. "For a more measured analysis, Ms Roy should perhaps turn to the finance ministry's recently published Economic Survey. There she would read that, 'High growth is critical to generate the revenues needed for meeting our social welfare objectives.' Ms Roy should take note."

Am I really being waved back into my seat with the finance ministry's Economic Survey? I thought everybody knew that the cut back on public spending (social welfare objectives) is almost in direct proportion to the growth rate? It's often a pre-requisite when loans from the World Bank, the ADB and the IMF are negotiated. Isn't that what structural adjustment is all about? Or is this the old Trickle Down theory being re-cycled? I've always wondered about this. Sometimes they say the Free Market provides a level playing field -- but then when questioned, they ask us to wait for Trickle Down. But things only Trickle Down slopes don't they? Anyway, there is a school of thought which believes that people actually do have rights. The right, for instance, to resist the Government taking away their land and their livelihoods, often at gunpoint, and then ordering them to wait for the leftovers (if the gentlemen leave any) to trickle down after the feast.

Regardless of our obvious ideological differences I hope you agree that errors and innuendo of this nature undermine the real debate.

With best wishes,
Arundhati Roy

 
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Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM
72
I think that there should be planned elimination of those groups of people who are seen to create problems to the "vision" of India as an good advanced superpower democracy. These irritating problem creators talk nonsense and bring down the image of India by talking about poverty, hunger, human rights etc and counter the good work that the highly educated middle class Indians working in MNCs and abroad do,to propagate the very nice image of India as a posh country with great malls, technology and being generally great.

They should be eliminated as part of an elimination policy and which groups should be eliminated can be determined by polling and asking the good indians who work in the US, the MNCs and other good posh middle class professionals and we are sure to get many nominations of groups that should be completely eliminated .These groups should include the "intelligentsia" who are useless irritants and spoil the name and image of India and of no use compared to the highly educated professionals working in the US and in the MNCs who everyone should listen to because they are the intelligent and good people.

The only slight drawback of this policy is that it can lead to situation where the country will be significantly depopulated and we will be left with noone but the good educated middle class. There would not many people of the lower classes left to admire the goodness and the greatness of India and the highly educated professionals. One way of circumventing this problem is to have along with the program of elimination a program for brainwashing,using mind control techniques etc including psychosurgery so that some people who are the problem can be made to change their opinion of India and the educated middle class indians that they are good , that India is a wonderful country etc.
harikumar
coventry, UK
Oct 13, 2009 03:05 PM
71
Kumar,

>>Let Ms. Roy write what she wants.

Isn't she writing, grabbing the space of newspaper and magazines or time in television and radio? Isn't she enjoying freedom?

>>If there is no merit in what she says, she would be easily countered and no magazine will even publish her articles.

Countercurrents are always smashing hits!

>> If there is merit, it is good.

A meritorious writer can also be seditious. Whether those writings are good or bad depend on the outlook of the reader.

>>I am not sure about that.

Arrange a poll or you can simply find the answer by interviewing a random sample of people by yourself.

>>But she, like anyone else, should have a voice, and let the debate go on.

Of course she should, unlike others who had to leave their country or leading a life blessed with fatwas!

>>And let the best argument or point of view prevail.

Arguments for sedition won't prevail if you are not sincere. The urge for freedom should also have genuine logic. And if you are convinced, your urge for freedom(a writer has his/her own style) should be honest without hypocrisy like Gandhi, Che, Allende Gandhi, Mujib or Castro (leaders had their own way).
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM
70
Ms. Roy is the kind of a person who can find negative in positive side of a battery also.

Probably the God of small things was the wrong thing happen to the country, thats why people knows her. It would have been better without knowing her.

at least pay some attention to the positive sides as well miss.
rupesh
Doha, Qatar
Sep 22, 2009 08:05 PM
69
YAWN...dreadful defenses, especially by someone who is bound to find fault in anything u say that has the words India, Ploitics, Business, Money...etc etc...Yawn...but its better than a nightcap
Abhishek
Ahmedabad, India
Sep 17, 2009 01:20 AM
68
Who cares about these 'corrections'? No one cared about her 'incorrect reviews and analyses' to begin with.
This hypocrite, talks about her take on 'Azaadi' for the Kashmiris (which, in many other countries, would be seen as sedition if not outright treason), yet has never uttered a single word of outrage at the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pandits from their homeland, nor against the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Bangladesh or those in Pakistan.
No sirree, like any truly devout Communist brought on a bitter gruel of Commie clap-trap, her hubris and revulsion is reserved exclusively for Hindus and the despicable capitalists which the Modis of this world represent, and especially Uncle Sam, whom she despises with a vengeance.
Yet, despite there being no freedom in any of the lands where Communism spread its tentacles, especially of speech- she uses the very freedom India's Hindu traditions allows her to shamelessly demonize the overwhelming majority of the people with her puerile bilge. She has no time for mentioning such trivial stuff like people being burnt alive in trains and such.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Sep 15, 2009 09:32 PM
67
Reddy, apart from your broad brushing of so called "Sanghis", a lot of Indians are repelled by the Economist's criticism of India's defense policy, including its nuclear programme and missile programme. The reader responses to those specific Economist articles would show that many Indians can see through some of their stances.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Sep 15, 2009 11:45 AM
66
@Reddy
That's true it's almost impossible to have an objective debate with people.I wonder how many of these guys have actually read the book or the essays. (By the way almost all of these essays are available on web).
Arundhati is an angry woman and clearly have socialist inclination. She might not have the best solution but the questions she raises are all pertinent.
I appreciate Economists views and opinion when they are talking about western economies. Anything apart from that lacks journalistic rigour, all falls under sweeping generalizations.
Hemanshu
Pune, India
Sep 14, 2009 09:15 PM
65
wow..some chaos we have here....reading between all these personal jibes its becoming hard to follow what the main point of contention is . I would appreciate any help from incumbent participants if they would like to streamline the discussion on track.. So what I get so far is sandilya is a right wing zealot and Reddy is the sole fighting commi :D..
so what were fight for today .. I will like to choose my side soon :)
Hemanshu
Pune, India
Sep 14, 2009 08:33 PM
64
you only have to dig your head out of the sand and see all around you to realise what is going on. The land grab is going on in the name of SEZs. how many SEZs are operational ? they had sufficient time to start.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 14, 2009 08:31 PM
63
The tam brams in the govt and bureucracy conspired to establish all the scientific institutions in south and further no industries were established east( not only WB) after initial industrialisation.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 14, 2009 08:28 PM
62
"By shedding tears poor will not become rich. Money after all is a measure of economic power the individual or a country has earned. Such power comes with hard and smart work. People have to acquire new skills, develop positive attitude to work and adapt to ever changing environment lest one would perish. The govts goal should be to equip the masses with those skills. Look at China how it transformed.

In India, Southern states are relatively better than North bcz of adaptation and willingness to run extra mile. West Bengal is the state which chooses to remain time warped and keep blaming capitalists, imperialists and central govt. It doesn’t take the people anywhere but more poverty and unemployment."

you cannot name one PSU that is performing well after privatisation. In India govt has added responsibilities of providing employment. Every place the PSU was privatised the public is suffering. Take the case of BEST and Delhi ELECT Company. One food company bjp privatised from the next day the prices were doubled. Whose progress you are talking about. the progress of the "bania" or the progress of country and its people.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 14, 2009 01:21 PM
61
It may be very easy to criticise Ms. Arundhati Roay sitting in air-conditioned chambers sipping a cola. But, the fact remains that the ever-widening gap between the rich and the poor may simply wedge the cpountry apart. The fact that all the arms of the constitution - bureaucracy, executive, judiciary, police, administrative et al have failed to deliver efficiently and effectively. Hence, we have a country with creases along every possible traits: religion, caste, class (rich v/s poor), region etc. We need to iron htem out before one of them snips apart.

We may brush her aside for her opposition to a number of issues that we all favour. But, the fact that I stated in the above paragraph exists in reality. As a country, we have under-performed ourselves grossly. the sooner we acknowledge the truth, the better it will be for us.
Brilliant Babloo
BablooLand, India
Sep 14, 2009 01:10 AM
60
@Sudarshan "..play a cruel trick on you, but you lack the intellect to comprehend the magnitude of it!!"
Make a note to self: Never copy paste quotes while challenging someone else's intellectual calibre. (Especially 'Calin and Hobbes'. People do read that.
Hemanshu
Pune, India
Sep 13, 2009 08:46 AM
59
Both Free Market Capitalism and Socialism have their limits. Carrying on blindly along one path leads to inevitable disasters. To much exploitative / competitive Capitalism along Jewish / British lines and you have Slavery, Colonialism and World Wars. Too much Socialism and you get the Soviet Union. But history teaches us that the best way for once poor and backward countries like Japan or So. Korea to get ahead is to allow Capitalist enterprise combined w/ a strong bureaucracy to carry out a social agenda. Where India went wrong was when after Independence, Nehru the BUFFOON, retained the Colonial ICS / IAS bureaucrats despite all their mix of arrogance and incompetence.

Not to mention the sordid DyNASTIc brand of Democracy that he then perpetuated that CORRUPTS India till today and keeps it under Mafia ( Italian, Marwari,.. you name it ) domination.
Gau_Rav1
nowhereland, Japan
Sep 12, 2009 10:40 PM
58
A personal question for Reddy (Bangalore, India) - Were you borb downside-up?

Why did you get atitude transplants done when you don't have the brains to supplement that?
The Irreverent Indian
Online, India
Sep 12, 2009 09:45 PM
57
Wah, she reads The Economist! I am betting she read only the review. Now, if only she could learn to write like them.
chandra
Portland, USA
Sep 12, 2009 04:13 PM
56
@ Reddy


Considering your arrogant way of dismissal of opposite view you are unfit to be in any forum of debate. If you have no answer just shut up but don’t be dismissive the way youdo.
I too can say hundred abusive things the way you say to make believe my impatience with your foolishness. But does that win an argument?

OK, Narayana Murthy is bad for you; but what is your achievement my dear except bombastic talk? You and your ilk are good at emoting and provoking but can do little to change the world. Only fools like you can be dismissive of Narayana Murthy. He was a staunch socialist believer before converting to market economist. He created wealth and shared with others and continues to provide employment bereft of silly idle ideological talk .

Of course what else can one expect from a guy like you who did not have basic manners in addressing the revered God of majority? Your ilk have Himalayan egos to criticise everything others do but have no clue on alternative solutions.

Alright USA and its cronies are bad company and untrustworthy. Do you have any proof that somebody else did better alternative way? China, the staunchest communist is a capitalist now. Its capitalism is much raw and sinful. Hong Kong worships money more than parents. Russia is following market economy but you delude yourself about a sclerosed ideology and expect others to subscribe to your foolish beliefs and you deride anybody with views not similar to you while you talk of equality , tolerance etc -all borrowed .

It makes me laugh at your delusions. What a big megaflop you must be.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 12, 2009 03:09 AM
55
I do not know why all discussions in this forum finally lead to religious and casteist divide - as if that's the only prism through which Indians finally see themselves.
I am always a fan of Arundhati's prose and her ability to elicit emotions using appropriate words and expressions. She is a gifted writer and rightly deserves any prestigious literary award.
But while reading non-fiction, be it an article, an essay or research paper, I wish to see attempts to present different points of view and perspectives in a balanced manner to arrive at a conclusion. This is sadly missing in all her writings. Arundhati has a leftist leaning. There is nothing wrong in having a strong political view, belief or ideology. But to assert her beliefs she picks and chooses facts, deliberately ommits facts that may contradict her belief, exaggerates at times facts that support her beliefs using her flowery prose and understates anything that could question her belief. As a result anything that Arundhati writes is biased, her well-researched essays are still polemics.
Notwithstanding high quality prose, Arundhati's essays seem to be emotional outburst of an angry teenager who is perpetually unhappy with an imperfect world. To be taken more seriously as a non-fiction writer she needs to put forth her views in a more rational manner backed by careful and unbiased research. Even with strong leftist ideology you can write balanced well-researched articles . Read Amartya Sen's essays.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
Sep 11, 2009 11:25 PM
54
Manoj,

She is a singing bird who sings exactly the tune taught by her masters.But if she continues to stick to her pitch, she will very soon become a clay bird only. Only then she will understand the magnitude of injustice she has done to her eyes and ears.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Sep 11, 2009 10:42 PM
53
AN OPEN LETTER TO MS. ARUNDHATI ROY

Dear Ms. Roy,

Ever since you were a little girl, you wanted everything your way. To an extent, the web-space is fed of of your leech-talks, and want you spend some part of your life in quarantine.

Being in a quarantined situation will be good for you. I guess you suffer from the grim perception that fate, society and God connived to play a cruel trick on you, but you lack the intellect to comprehend the magnitude of it!! Being miserable will help you build character. And, YOU SHOULD KEEP WRITING. Someday, you might just write something profound and intelligent.

Regards,

Sudarshan
http://sbengani.blogspot.com
Sudarshan Bengani
Kolkata, India
Sep 11, 2009 07:20 PM
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Ms Roy

Have you heard of a certain community called Kashmiri Pandits who were hounded out of their homeland by Islamists? Thousands of Pandits have been killed and over two lakh of them are living in squalid refugee camps outside the Kashmir valley. Or have you heard of the thousands of Hindus who are now crossing the border from Pakistan because the have got the ultimatum from Islamists there : Convert or die? You can only think of the 2000 Muslim deaths in Gujarat.Dishonest writing by people like you only will encourage Islmaist fanatics. Try preaching to them. It is easy to preach to Hindus.
manojramakrishnan
Mumbai, India
Sep 11, 2009 07:19 PM
51
Ms Roy

Have you heard of a certain community called Kashmiri Pandits who were hounded out of their homeland by Islamists? Thousands of Pandits have been killed and over two lakh of them are living in squalid refugee camps outside the Kashmir valley. Or have you heard of the thousands of Hindus who are now crossing the border from Pakistan because the have got the ultimatum from Islamists there : Convert or die? You can only think of the 2000 Muslim deaths in Gujarat. It is easy to preach to Hindus.
manojramakrishnan
Mumbai, India
Sep 11, 2009 07:18 PM
50
Ms Roy

Have you heard of a certain community called Kashmiri Pandits who were hounded out of their homeland by Islamists? Thousands of Pandits have been killed and over two lakh of them are living in squalid refugee camps outside the Kashmir valley. Or have you heard of the thousands of Hindus who are now crossing the border from Pakistan because the have got the ultimatum from Islamists there : Convert or die? It is easy to preach to Hindus.
manojramakrishnan
Mumbai, India
Sep 11, 2009 11:50 AM
49
Dear Mr. Reddy,

I am thankful that you understand where I come from, ideologically speaking. I totally agree that these problems have root causes, which are the intolerable inequalities of our society. I am not that blind, not to see that. Our slow march towards true democracy is still far from over, but that impulse has become unstoppable. So lets count our blessings, while we see how to rationally tackle the myriad problems.

That we have one nation with contiguous borders, where we are free to live and work, is one thing I am rather fond of. Total freedom of expression is the other. Lets not spoil that due to our bottled-up anger or resentments.
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Sep 11, 2009 09:46 AM
48
>> When PSU makes a profit it goes to govt coffers, when market players make profit it goes into the pockets of CEO and upper management..


There are very few PSUs which contribute to govt coffers and even that pales into insignificance when one compares to the investments that have gone into establishing them. The profitable PSUs are those whose products come under govt administered price mechanism like IOL etc. The profits are due to pure monopoly not by own virtue. Where a PSU has to compete with a private company the situation is different. IDPL & Alwyn are examples which could not compete with private companies. So the fond hope that PSUs bring profits is only imagination than real.

And the argument of capitalism vs socialism has all been settled with the demise of USSR and switching of China to market economy. Even a BJP chief minister is lining up people to visit china to learn from their experience and also seek investments! China made spectacular progress with its shift to market economy. A time has come to shed the word capitalism and call it market economy. The economic mess Wall street gave the world can be avoided only through adequate supervision by statutory bodies and serious audit.


By shedding tears poor will not become rich. Money after all is a measure of economic power the individual or a country has earned. Such power comes with hard and smart work. People have to acquire new skills, develop positive attitude to work and adapt to ever changing environment lest one would perish. The govts goal should be to equip the masses with those skills. Look at China how it transformed.

In India, Southern states are relatively better than North bcz of adaptation and willingness to run extra mile. West Bengal is the state which chooses to remain time warped and keep blaming capitalists, imperialists and central govt. It doesn’t take the people anywhere but more poverty and unemployment.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 11, 2009 08:45 AM
47
Watch
Capitalism: A Love Story
By Michael Moore
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232207/
to learn how the depression happened and why it will not go away.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 11, 2009 08:43 AM
46
One India Business Graduate student studies the business of selling Crack on the streets of Washington. He worked very hard and got close to the Gang Leader and the accountant. What he found out was that Crack business is run exactly like a Capitalist Corporation!! Gang Leader and few at the top make the megabucks while ppl on the lower rung risk their lives but live on chickenshit pay(while dreaming of making it big one day). Exactly like in a capitalistic society.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 11, 2009 08:39 AM
45
"Market players run to govt only when they are in trouble and PSUs have to run to govt every day. Without budget support there are few PSUs which can survive on their own thanks to left policies.

No one denies the excesses of Wall street's educated greedy idiots. But despite being imperfect, market economy is the only solution for sustainable progress. "
When PSU makes a profit it goes to govt coffers, when market players make profit it goes into the pockets of CEO and upper management. Like Reddy said socialism for rich and capitalism for poor is sustainable for rich only.

Read
The Great Cop-Out
The only people who will not be harmed by the banking crisis are the bankers who caused it.
GEORGE MONBIOT
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?261776

Where the f*** is the reckoning and punishment for ppl who caused the depression. They are being feted and given bonus. How the hell the world economy would recover if there are no structural reforms.
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 11, 2009 12:07 AM
44
gayatri,

You are clever in your arguments. But what does a guy in Tamil Nadu have to do with mayawati being ceo of dalits in UP. Those people do not vote for mayawati and do not fund her Disneyland. The UP people voted her to power, including brahmins.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Sep 11, 2009 12:06 AM
43
gayatri,

You are clever in your arguments. But what does a guy in Tamil Nadu have to do with mayawati being ceo of dalits in UP. Those people do not vote for mayawati and do not fund her Disneyland. The UP people voter her to power, including brahmins.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Sep 10, 2009 11:59 PM
42
senthamarai,

It's easy to pick on the brahmins for all the problems. But truth is, everyone has to take the blame. You are right that British had a role in addressing dalit grievances. Without them, we could be stuck in a time warp of maya, or whatever the thing is.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Sep 10, 2009 11:39 PM
41
gayatri,

I guess being a refugee from pakistan, you always feel out of place with India at some corner of your thoughts. Like our prime minister and addvani. I think people like senthimarai represent Indian idea, effectively, though the guy seems to be wishing for India's break-up which I don't agree with.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Sep 10, 2009 09:50 PM
40
Dear Mr. Senthamarai,

I am not a casteist. I admit that your ancestors suffered inhuman treatment at the hand of my ancestors. I am willing to atone for it, as much as I can. I like the self-empowerment of Dalits, miscalled as Harijans by the Mahatma. I admire Mayawati's social engineering. It is however separatists and seccessionists that I am against. I don't think "if there is a dalitstan movement" is factual. There already is. Please see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalitstan.

I don't know sanskrit and don't care for lineages. I don't have grand-kids. My kid lives in India, I don't intend for her to go the west. I am happy to co-habit with you, and deserve being called a b*st*rd by you. I am improperly educated with too much English. I am not a part of any virtual nation, let alone a Brahmin one. I am not a Brahmin, since a Brahmin is one who is ready to foresake own interests for the sake of the world - Shreyas over Preyas.

By the way, congratulations to your parents, they gave you a beautiful name.
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Sep 10, 2009 09:13 PM
39
senthamarie

i think that educated high caste hindus are well off
in the west,where they can get the best jobs,and respect.

if india loses it best people-the upper class hindus-it will sink to the bottom. many of the former are
increasingly going to the west- very wise of them,since
the combination of indian muslims and dalits dislike
them so much.

to disappoint you hindus with good education are prized
in the west- indra noyi is ceo of pepsicola,vikram
pandit is ceo of citibank- there are dozens who are
heading mid size and large corporates.

the ceo of dalits is mayawati,and that of indian muslims is the shahi imam op jamma masjid in delhi.
good luck to all who want them as their leaders.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Sep 10, 2009 08:26 PM
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Casteist Narasimhan should thank his stars that world has not evovled or experimented a vertical division of sovereignty within a nation in a democratic context. Guess who will be the first target, if 20 % of our population (dalits) attain such a dalitstan sovereignty? No amount of singing stuthis in sanskrit and creating fake lineage for the rulers will save your a*s.
At best you can run to your grand-kids in West. By then skinheads would gleefully lynch racists like you. Indeed your own grand kids will treat you like racist sh*t. In such scenario, you have to roam around the world with out a nation, because of your failure to strike bonds with your host nations and also because of your successful blood sucking out of them and your strong allegiance to your own virtual brahamin nation.
Unfortunately, under the current conditions dalits and Indian muslims have to co-habit with casteist b*st*rds like you in whichever sub-nationality that they are part of.

If you think world is going to be static and the legitimate aspirations of eelam Tamils and others will come to a passe, it shows your deluded, shameless brahminical culture of creating truth (maya) than investigating and understanding one.

It is utter shame to current education practices which certifies people like you as educated!
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Sep 10, 2009 05:48 PM
37
My reasons for the rather long letter that below is to point out that India has had a complex interaction of many practices and to separate out 'imperial' or 'leftist' etc. may not be very valid. Which is why at most instances the westernised(and I say with considerable weight) analyses of the so called leftists and even some so called rightists is plainly out of depth.

Arundhati Roy being one of them.
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Sep 10, 2009 05:41 PM
36
Sentharaman, reddy et al...

Caste System and it's stranglehold on the Indian society at the time of coming of Britishers was complete.Even then the non-Hindus were actively involved in the practice as of course were the Hindus.

Britishers were the first 'outsiders' who remained 'outsiders' all through there presence in India-whether as traders or as rulers.

Islamic invaders either plundered and left or stayed back and became Indians-in due course of time practicing the local culture-including caste system.

Further through other factors like being white, rulers etc. they considered themselves superior over the 'natives'. This was an additional layering to the Caste System- at the very top-even above the current local caste lords.

This novel experience which continued throughout the british rule was felt and experienced by the caste lords of those days as a practiced Caste System where the Indians ( no matter of what status)were effectively a lower caste.

With this experience arose the realisation-specially in the Hindu's of the ills of the Hindu society-specially caste system-and led to the massive reformist movements.

From Mid 19th century onwards slowly the movements created much awareness by the time the britishers finally left.

Muslims however caught in the time warp of Islam and their geographical confusions of loyalty and identity as well as being unable to reconcile to loss of the position of rulers were unable to sort out their problems and are still paying a heavy price for the same.
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Sep 10, 2009 02:28 PM
35
Mr. Senthamarai is correct to point out that Ms Roy has not so far spoken for self-determination of lower castes, with their own Dalitsthaan aspirations. While I am an upper-caste hindu whose ancestors are guilty of his charges, I am against the balkanization of India as advocated recently by a Chinese pundit.

However, please wait. The inconsistent Ms Roy might realize this consistent logic and start propaganda in her narcissistic, verbose vocabulary, for the dalitsthaanis, the greater Eelam tamils, Central India's tribals, Sonar Bengalis, in addition to Kashmiri separatists. After all that was the thin end of her wedge. She and her ilk agree with Sunil Khilnani and Ashish Nandy that the modern Indian state is an illegitimate bastard of European nationalism. They want to dismantle it.

Poor Mr Jinnah was only for the two-nation theory, whereas the subconscious minds of Ms Roy and cohorts believe in the many nations = no nation ideology. We should read our enemies with clarity and empathy, in the best "Peeda paraayi jaanere" style.
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Sep 10, 2009 08:44 AM
34
Arundhati,
Perhaps you are right in suggesting that the "trickle down effect" is not working as the benefits do not percolate to the lowest common denominator. For societal benefit and wider consumption spectrum growth it has to be from "bottom up". If economic empowerment is given to the multitude, more goods and services will flow all around creating opportunities for more and diverse production. Concentration of wealth limits the market size and does not assist general economic growth except in certain specialised areas which only a reletively few can afford.Whether you agree with him or not Ratan Tata once said that he was not afraid of international companies entering the consumer market because these companies aim at the top of the pyramid with branded products which only a minor percentage of Indians can afford. He, on the other hand, was looking at the huge base of the pyramid which was so large that there would be a problem of adequate supply! Imagine the number of common household products that can be sold at the base level of more than 1 billion people!
dilip mahanty
sydney, Australia
Sep 10, 2009 03:31 AM
33
REDDY, Probably I read more it into your anti-imperial stance than it is. I apologise if so.

My fundamental objection is that, the anti-imperial vitriol was used as a ruse by pseudo-socialist upper caste mafia of our country to further strength their hold on the Hindu society. It is a political rallying point against common enemy (non-existent) from outside. One can easily see through this deception if only one compares the amount of discussion that happens in Indian political landscape and in its media on western imperial exploits in Iraq/Afghan+Guantanamo+palestine etc.., with that of India assisted genocide, concentration camps and open air prisons of Tamils and sinhala racism against tamils.

For example, you do not see CPI/CPM rally indians to fight against casteism, instead they are still hoping to fight a future class struggle and wait for us to evovle out our caste differences ourselves. Still worse CPI/CPM do not support fundamental right of individual ethnic groups' right to self-determination(ex. eelam tamils, kashmiris). What kind marxist oppose right to self-determination? (but is always at forefront against western imperialism!) only pseudo- varieties!

This is the current political context under which demonisation of western colonial/imperial constructs are played out from the left side of our country. It is this aspect which peeves me more because lower caste people being fooled by all the sides (left, right and the center).

Even though Arundhati Roy is not as guilty as the other bhadraloks from the left, but she still peddles excessive anti-west rhetoric and has devoted so much of her writing on palestine and other far away conflicts. Much worse is her lack of consistency, if kashmiri azadi has so much liberal romantic appeal for her, then how come eelam tamils right to self-determination is a big no-no and how come tamil armed struggle for freedom suddenly becomes a pure terrorism for her. The more one focuses on this singular flaw in her stand with that of excessive anti-west rhetoric, the more one is convinced that she is definitely as phony as other indian lefties.
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 11:52 PM
32
REDDY,
Let us see, who is actually smoking and what,

>>but to believe the British were the 'saviors' of the lower castes reeks of ignorance and insults Ambedkar and a host of others.

who ever mentioned that British were saviors of lower castes? It shows how rigidly set your brain is and how it fails to see what is written. In simple words, British policy of divide and rule as well as their political tradition of 'universal justice and education' in India provided natural space for lower castes and dalits to mobilise and organise THEMSELVES for the first time in 3000 years to take on the biggest obstacle to their emancipation - 'upper caste racism and hegemony'. British imperialism/mis-rule/mis-treatment/demonisation of 'hindu' culture never made both qualitative and quantitative difference to the lower castes' material and emotional life since they were already living in the abyss of human indignity due to the upper caste racism.

>> motive behind it and the motive wasnt altruistic !

who said it is altruistic??

>> It had to do with maintaining its ill-gotten Empire and keep sucking our economy dry so as to feed its own.

I do not know what is this 'our economy' that you are talking about? Lower castes were sucked dry anyways for a long time before. why should anyone apportion extraordinary-blame to British rulers alone (just because they took the loot far away from us?)

All that I am questioning is your context-less abuse of colonial history and your anachronic value judgment and demonisation of british colonial enterprise. Much worse is your mistake of asking us to believe that 'we' are extraordinary victims of the colonial british and by extension present day USA in an otherwise 'normal and wonderful India'. As far as I am concerned, the only people whose dignity and self-respect were effectively trampled by colonial british was that of minuscule upper caste ruling elites. Every other imagined colonial victimhood is the result of post-colonial construct of Indian nation imbibed into the minds of indian people. Once you free your mind from this artificial edifice built by 'indian nation', you will end up seeing the truth for its worth and will have better judgment of past events.

Remember that when you selectively twist history and de-contextualise past events to suit your current political objectives and goals then you are no different from the people that you are barking against.
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 11:48 PM
31
DC,

"Probably she thinks that by selectively choosing facts she could exaggerate her points. That's the worst form of journalism. "

Excellent post as always. I always look forward to your balanced articles. But you cannot blame Arundhati for exaggeration. She is not journalist, but a fiction writer.
Maha
NJ, United States
Sep 09, 2009 11:17 PM
30
Senthamarai,

>>vedic c*ap and puranic lies

OK, let's all give tribute to Britishraj reciting-

Britishraj mahavage
Biddye kamalolochone
Bishwarupe Bishalakshmi
Biddang dehi - namahastute!!!
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Sep 09, 2009 10:58 PM
29
The idea that pre-British India was nothing but caste-ridden, illiterate, highly exclusivist and economically stagnant, has been debunked by such writers as Claude Alvares and Dharampal, among many others. Too bad people are reviving these myths over and again. Popular education and universal adult franchise were recent developments in the UK itself, not earlier than the 19th century.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Sep 09, 2009 09:43 PM
28
Varun Shekhar,
You seem to have problems of hallucinating. I did not say british were saving angels for lower castes. Read again. "freedom, platform and resources to revolt against millenia long upper caste hindu hegemony". It does not mean automatic emancipation of lower castes. All it means is that lower castes got a head start to organise themselves to fight for their rights for the first time in 3000 years against brahamincal fascism.

>> India in such a horrendous shape in 1947, when the British left

What pre-british India which was 'paradise lost' that you are talking about?

>> There was only 10% literacy,

thank british for that, if it had been left to brahmin-kshtriya combine literacy would not have been more than 3 % and literacy would have had special indian meaning of rot memorising vedic c*ap and puranic lies verbatium in sanskrit and zealous guard this 'pseudo-knowledge' from others knowing it for its worth.

>> agriculture-the occupation of the majority- was in dreadful shape,
Please explain to us the 'dreadful shape' of agriculture specially caused by british. As for as I understand, India is currently reeling under THE WORST man-made agri-crisis mainly due to 60 years of mismangement of our nation by Brahminical ruling elites.

>> only a little industry,
'India' was land of creatives that was led from the front by super intelligent academic brahmins who could have invented indian industrial revolution single handedly and led india in to industrial age (if not for british). British arrived killed all that is good in Indians. Nice story!!

>> and far more poverty relative to the total population, than what exists presently

Just defining poverty in terms of food and money is a useless measure. If you take poverty also in terms of diginity, access to information and freedom of choice then british rule is one of best ones that we had. These measures are the actual factors which contribute impoverishment of population. British tried to overcome maladies of our caste-ridden societies through universalising education and justice (which remained an upper caste privilege for 3000 years).
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 08:55 PM
27
If the British gave the 'lower castes' these wonderful things, why on earth then, was India in such a horrendous shape in 1947, when the British left? There was only 10% literacy, agriculture-the occupation of the majority- was in dreadful shape, only a little industry, and far more poverty relative to the total population, than what exists presently. Of all the ridiculous things, giving the British colonialists the benefit of the doubt.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Sep 09, 2009 08:40 PM
26
REDDY,
>> How pathetic and distasteful it is to sing the praises of the very powers that destroyed our economy over 200 years, spat on us, demonized us and treated us with utter contempt. Its shameful to defend them.

Load of c*ap and tons of pseudo history. Lower castes and muslims of colonial era would have begged to differ for your rhetorical drivel, since british gave them freedom, platform and resources to revolt against millenia long upper caste hindu hegemony which did much viler things than imperial british could conjure up.

I believe that Arundhati Roy is very much a phony left-liberal like any other pseudo-leftie of South Asia like CPM, CPI, JVP.., (But I do appreciate her bold stand on Kashmir issue).
Senthamarai
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 08:34 PM
25
If ARNDHATHI is so concerned about the "Indian poor" why doesn't she appeal to the POPE to excommunicate all the CHRISTIAN SWISS BANKERS who have been accepting "ill gotten wealth generated by snatching food from starving millions of India". Why does she not appeal to the the "bleeding heart CHRISTIANS of USA", to launch an anti-terrorism attack on SWISS BANKS??? These US Christian organisations were so concerned about a few deaths in ORISSA but why aren't they acting against SWISS BANKS who are causing "million starvation deaths the world over"??

Mr Mehta has again allowed Arundhathi to "potty" on OUTLOOK.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Sep 09, 2009 07:18 PM
24
sandilya
Chennai, India

Don't you have common-sense? Why are you arguing with JayKay Chraborty? Don't you see that he is from Waste Bengal? Who will be responsible if JayKay gets Mamata Banerjee to your doorsteps and demands an unconsitional apology?

Fighting with a pig is useless even if you win. Because, while you get dirty, the pig thoroughly enjoys it. Remember - in any forum in the galaxy - never argue with a Bengal-ite.
The Irreverent Indian
Online, India
Sep 09, 2009 06:08 PM
23
"they say the Free Market provides a level playing field"

Load of Crap. Whenever the "market" players are in trouble they run to govt to help them out
JayKay Chraborty

Market players run to govt only when they are in trouble and PSUs have to run to govt every day. Without budget support there are few PSUs which can survive on their own thanks to left policies.

No one denies the excesses of Wall street's educated greedy idiots. But despite being imperfect, market economy is the only solution for sustainable progress.

Is the standard of living of citizens in West Bengal better than say even Italy leave alone USof A? Stop self kidding dear.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 05:58 PM
22
Muslims are now economically better off than any other state.

Dr. Vijaya Rajiva

Even that poster boy 'muslim in tears' whose pic our media loved to print often, chose to return to Gujarat than stay in west bengal..

A muslim in any state in India is far safer than a hindu in Kashmir.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 05:36 PM
21
Terrorism and naxalism is minor threats compared to the dangers we face from the PSEUDO-SECULARISTS and PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALS. Unfortunately, Arundhati has both the traits.
Brilliant Babloo
BablooLand, India
Sep 09, 2009 05:36 PM
20
Terrorism and naxalism is minor threats compared to the dangers we face from the PSEUDO-SECULARISTS and PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALS. Unfortunately, Arundhati has both the traits.
Brilliant Babloo
BablooLand, India
Sep 09, 2009 05:35 PM
19
"they say the Free Market provides a level playing field"

Load of Crap. Whenever the "market" players are in trouble they run to govt to help them out (Isn't this exactly opposite to the "market" philosophy).
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Sep 09, 2009 05:13 PM
18
Ms Roy seems ideologically motivated, rather than being interested in facts.The RSS does not revere Hitler and Musollini, nor has Narendra Modi been indicted for any complicity in the Gujarat massacre.

His popularity in Gujarat is owing to the success of his developmental policies, in which Muslims have participated. Gujarat is the one state in India where Muslims are now economically better off than any other state.

It is unfortunate that celebrities like Ms.Roy continue to play to the gallery rather than co operate with the existing forces of good in India.

The RSS, for instance does sterling social work among the poor, the underprivileged and among the tribals.

There is a recent article on the present direction of the RSS. in Tehelka Magazine, vol. 6, Sept. 12 by Tarun Vijay 'Knock on Closed Ears'. Tehelka can by no means be described as a right wing paper.
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
Montreal, Canada
Sep 09, 2009 01:10 PM
17
>>Of course , in true sanghi fashion you make these ridiculous assumptions. It’s called a strawman argument. Make asinine statements, claim i made them and proceed to 'argue' against them ! Grow a brain.

This is called pure unadulterated, shall I say, bamboo rhetoric. There are words but no answer to my original query? How can my question, “How a guy can rule a country for decades” be called assumption? When caught pants down fact becomes asinine for left loonies.

Same dim way as you have said, anything can be rationalised and that’s what for we despise the lefties for their mouthing of meaningless jargon sans substance, whenever cornered.

BTW I am not a sanghi nor do I subscribe to their ideology. I am a nationalist in belief and wish for the integrity and prosperity of this society you choose to denigrate often.

Broadly speaking sanghis are patriots, even if they are foolish at times and they too want this country intact unlike your left buddies who have extra territorial loyalties and indulge in violence to make this country weak and disintegrate to pieces. In that case, aren't Sanghis better than the radical leftist pest- eating into the core- that your buddies mostly are?

>>You stupefy me with your ignorance.

Ignorance can be gauged from your comparison of a self proclaimed individual ruler to a reign accountable to an elected parliament. This comparing of incomparable is stupendously stupefying.

>>Grow a brain

Yeah, for those with brain in the knees, normal anatomically brained people appear wanting in brains.

Narayana Murthy once said this. As young, if one does not subscribe to socialist belief he has no heart but after growing up if he continues to believe in it then he has no brains!! So to ‘grow a brain’ is more appropriate advice for you.

Finally, your convoluted argument leaves us where we were- doesn’t answer the questions I raised on biased press.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 01:09 PM
16
Grow a brain
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 11:10 AM
15
@ Reddy

You have not addressed the main issue of bias of our media which I have raised. Your cherry pick incomplete quotes of my post , if you care to read them complete, were exemplify the ongoing bias in the media. But you cleverly tailor them to avoid the main argument , and like any leftist loony get enraged by the red rag (to you),the west to divert the argument.

You have not explained how your revered god Castro can continue in power shamelessly for five decades when even the imperialists had put limits to themselves. By quoting that example I meant-if you did not understand- the much castigated imperialists were more decent than your leftist Gods. Claiming non aligned, how could we be members of NAM which your god Castro chaired? There itself the contradiction starts...

Regarding your delusions on our economy 200 years ago, I have explained the back ground of our economic decline in my earlier post. Go and refer to that or read some decent books than continuously sticking your neck deep in marxist/naxal literature that spreads only falsehood.

You continue to delude yourself that left is right and right is devil. This country is suffering not bcz of right wingers but unpatriotic extra territorial loyalist buddies of yours. Look at the mayhem the left wing loonies have been unleashing in Jarkhand. Not a day passes without violence and destruction of state property and rail stations which incidentally were built by the imperialist whom you loathe so much. Hpow is this helping a common man? I may agree with you that the right wingers there in Jarkhand are no match to your buddies and do not have balls to liquidate them.

Show one good solid and lasting contribution of left movement to this country. Your Waste Bengal is a floundering mass of proletariat without adequate opportunities for self realisation of their full potential as people in many other states have. And your foster fatherland China is more capitalist than the original sinful capitalists of West. Why blame others?

>> demonized us and treated us with utter contempt..

If you think that the imperialists did this, you are no better and that’s what you and your leftist friendly press constantly do of the Indian society( read hindus) which I contested in my post but you ignored it to resort to standard leftist rhetoric arguing them as angels.

If you have really read unbiased historical accounts and reports of various commissions, you will change your opinion. In school days I too had few of similar such views as the left loonies still have now but I have had to change with emerging of more evidence on deep reading.
You have your right to views and similarly I. Do not be abusive in arguments. Grow up.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 09, 2009 09:13 AM
14
Why the hell outlook publishing Arundhati's letter to Economist ? Please spare us from her boring drivel. Let her send letter to Economist and let them publish it if they find it suitable.
Maha
NJ, United States
Sep 09, 2009 03:03 AM
13
Ah Arundhati again!!
And in the Outlook again!!
I have always thought this fiction writer's romance with the fictionalized reality will go unnoticed soon - but each time the Outlook does her a favor to give her visibility once again.
Here again she is with her laundry list of complaints about the world she lives in with her biased, exaggerated polemics to prove her beliefs.
I am no fan of Narendra Modi - but can't stand Arundhati's one sided explanation. Gujarat voted for Mody, Gujarat economically progressed better under Mody. Tata praised Mody for granting him land for Nanoi factory at the very last moment when he was forced to quit West Bengal under militant opposition from Mamata Bannerjee. Why can't she put things in context and perspective? Why can't she write about Hindu Muslim riots elsewhere, the plights of the displaced Pundits in Kashmir, the Godhra massacre etc. to understand the background? Is it not a writer's responsibility to put things in context? ( Please don't think even for a moment that I am siding with the perpetrators of the Gujarat riot.)
Probably she thinks that by selectively choosing facts she could exaggerate her points. That's the worst form of journalism.
Her idea about imperialism in Africa is so ludicrous and one sided. On the contrary, a number of nations including Brazil, Autralia and the Arab nations in the Middle East export natural resources for raising national income. And the major buyers are often countries from the west ( and now countries like China and India). You call it imperialism?
Arundhati knows only the Outlook will print her long letter to the Editor of the Economist.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
Sep 09, 2009 02:31 AM
12
The Economist is run by capitalists and their sympathizers and Ms Roy should expect this type of criticism.Besides Brahmins are everywhere and a majority of them belong to RSS!Perhaps The Economist is no exception.They have a score to settle with Ms Roy and will not waste an opportunity.We are with you Ms Roy.Cheer up and keep going.
nasar
Raleigh, USA
Sep 08, 2009 10:23 PM
11
I have read the book and although its an accumulation of articles over a period of time, they make for honest and good reading. The Economist writer DOES NOT appear to have read the book (where have we seen this recently!!?) before commenting...pity. Nevertheless Arundathi's response is a superb example of how a well written letter can find its target..good stuff.
sean desouza
london, United Kingdom
Sep 08, 2009 09:09 PM
10
Excellent article...

This lady is one good writer, I delight in reading her article, she writes what people can't digest, the obvious things that people are blind to, the truth that needs to be told which people find hard to accept.

Keep it up Anu,

Your Fan
Rahul K
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Sep 08, 2009 07:38 PM
9
Arundhati Roy is the conscience of India. She is one person who makes it proud for me to be an Indian.
Alex
Philadelphia, United States
Sep 08, 2009 06:36 PM
8
>> those who get away scot free-
commies, islamic countries- darfur,somalia,nigeria,afghanistan,pakistan are never
mentioned.

bajrang bhai

The leftist bleeding heart ideologues never fail to seize an opportunity to castigate and condemn USA/UK on their perceived slights and imperialism.

Has anyone in our English media ever asked how Fidel Castro is ruling Cuba for over 50 years and still continue to retain power by proxy rule through his brother. Communists claim they are anti imperial and feudal. If this is not family business/feudalism what is this then? Castro seized power on the pretext of dislodging a dictator but he retained it forever and ruled Cuba with iron fist. How then is he different from other dictators and feudal lords our communists condemn so vehemently?

That stupid N.Ram runs an article in The (Un)Hindu on the golden jubilee celebration of Castro’s successful revolution and ascent to the throne. What revolution? Revolution to gain power to himself? Even imperialists had more decency. They changed the viceroys more often and some semblance of election mechanism for popular mandate existed even before our independence. I call it not revolution but revulsion.

My point here is how the media can practice double standards so openly? The media’s dealing is same with Iran, North Korea, China and previously Saddam Hussien. No one raises a word about them or their misdeeds but feel free to overstate even such trivial issues which many wouldn't care to take note- Ex.SRK episode, if it happens to be a Western nation. This is cheap trade union mentality-opportunism at its worst!!

Time someone gave a critical look and took stock of situation of the benefits of Independence to African countries and Pakistan & BD.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Sep 08, 2009 03:41 PM
7
I more or less agree with the Letter-Writer, and despise the defence offered by Ms. Roy. She is a writer, who is bankrupt of logic. She has been brainwashed to believe in her leftist ideology. She is one those "Bleeding-Hearts", which the World can do without as she talks without sense. But long live freedom of speech!!!
Kel Shorey
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Sep 08, 2009 12:38 AM
6
mr ghai

note whom she criticises-

aaa rss, israel,usa and the west.

bbb those who get away scot free-
commies, islamic countries- darfur,somalia,nigeria,afghanistan,pakistan are never
mentioned.

never does she write about terrorism from pakistan,or the deploreable condition of muslim women.

this says all about her.
bajrang bhai
mumbai, India
Sep 07, 2009 11:28 PM
5
- "In India the said Mr Modi is still being investigated for his role in the 2002 pogrom. In his successful election campaigns after the pogrom, Modi brazenly cultivated communal hatred. He is a member of the RSS (Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh), an organization that is proud of its fascist origins and counts both Hitler and Mussolini as its heroes."

These facts are often given short shrift. The Economist's book review gave what seems to be a deliberately misleading account.

- "My mistake here is that I didn't mention the new colonial interests of countries like China and India as well."

China certainly has become a major player in the imperialist machinations in Africa.

>> how Belgium's colonial regime structured the barriers of hatred between the Tutsis and the Hutus in Rwanda with their racist profiling and social engineering?

So little attention has been given to Belgium's role in the genesis of this tragic event, that Ms.Roy's bringing it up must be applauded.

One may disagree with her views, but it is good to have someone giving voice to the those whose voices have been muted.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Sep 07, 2009 10:52 PM
4
>>...it is possible to know things about places even if you haven't been to them...

It is also possible when you have preoccupied myopic thoughts or in a state of hallucination. And it is possible to write an essay on 'A River' like that naughty examinee who didn't have any preparation to write something on it!So he started like this, "The cow is a domestic animal. It has four legs, two eyes. It has one tail. It gives us milk.....When it feels thirsty, it goes to the river...

Needless to say the boy memorized only one essay - 'The Cow'.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Sep 07, 2009 10:36 PM
3
1a. "Mr Modi is still being investigated for his role in the 2002 pogrom"
That does not prove Mr. Modi guilty. Neither does Arundhati's (AR) OPINIONS on Mr. Modi and RSS turns them into 'demons'. Period.
1b. "under Mr Modi's administration, most continue to live in ghettos, socially and economically boycotted in a brutal system of communal apartheid"
- The Muslims in India face a similar situation even outside of Gujarat. AR needs to be told about the Sachar Committee Report that highlights that the Muslims in Gujarat are doing better than their counterparts in most other states. The problems of Muslims across the WORLD are largely self-created. But, that is a different argument altogether.
1c. Did someone tell Ms. AR that her fast friend Teesta Setalvad was caught 'manufacturing' cases against the Gujarat government?

2&3. Not enough meat for me to make comment on.

4. What the heck?? Why are we even discussing this. India has enough problems of its own to be worried about other crazy locations. May be, someone get Ms. AR to settle there.

5. "I've always wondered about this. Sometimes they say the Free Market provides a level playing field -- but then when questioned, they ask us to wait for Trickle Down."
- The Free Market is all about the extinction of the lousy. Those who vote for their caste (instead of development, bijli, sadak, paani) or produce 17 children or spend their earnings on booze, do not deserve the "Trickle-down benefits". Nobody should sympathize with those idiots. All those who have worked hard and earnest have been rewarded by capitalism - albeit to a varying degree. Those who voted for 'Dalit ki beti'/ 'Yadav'/ Reservations thoroughly deserve a stagnated life.
Brilliant Babloo
BablooLand, India
Sep 07, 2009 10:23 PM
2
Ok Arundhuti if you dont want growth, zero divided by anything is zero. You cannot redistribute nothing, but that would be masculine logic is it not.

And why buy your book at $15.00 a piece why not give it free. What is the cost of paper and ink ?
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Sep 07, 2009 10:15 PM
1
Modi is facing ceaeless onsalughts from Arundhati, Teesta,Miss Sarabhai etc.Could be his reason of remaining bachelor ? Why to have more trouble ?
a k ghai
mumbai, India
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