Tribhuvan Tiwari
Literary speaking: At the Samvadshala Residential Centre for Teaching Sanskrit in Delhi
trend: learning sanskrit
Wax Sanskritic
Urban young are rediscovering the lure of the classical language
Back To The Classic
  • There's a big revival of interest in Sanskrit, especially among the urban young
  • The thousands enrolling for Sanskrit classes this year include young techies, MBAs, civil servants, students of history and philosophy, as well as those interested in ayurveda or yoga
  • They are attracted by Sanskrit's highly logical grammatical structure; the access it gives them to classics and texts on ayurveda, yoga; and the guidance on ethics, leadership and strategy in texts like the Bhagavad Gita and the Arthashastra;
  • The fact that Sanskrit is a 'scoring subject' in CBSE, UPSC exams has also fuelled interest

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"Bhagini, shighram, shighram gachchami," mutters someone, giving me a gentle nudge from behind. Translated, that means: move faster, sister. I've been told I'm slow before, but never in Sanskrit. The guy getting late for class, whose way I'm blocking, is tall, with an apologetic smile, a shaven head, a choti, and a forehead smeared with tilak. The rest of him is hip young Gen X Indian—cool T-shirt, stylish bracelet and frayed-edge jeans that end at his bare feet. Ashish Kuliyal, 18, is a BA in English from DAV College, Rishikesh, and is at Delhi's Samvadshala Residential Centre for Teaching Sanskrit to brush up his spoken Sanskrit. "I want to complete my BEd and teach Sanskrit," he explains, after his class. "And I would like to speak to my students in Sanskrit, since it is ridiculous to teach one language via another."

There are others like him. Bangalore-based Sanskrit enthusiast Kokila Narayan, 27, works for an IT company. Weekends find her in spaghetti tops and capris, enjoying a movie or a vodka at the pub. Hard to believe that she speaks Sanskrit. But she does. "I started learning shlokas with a group of friends. What had me hooked was the perfect grammar and the science behind the language," she says. Narayan is preparing for the civil service exam, for which Sanskrit is among the subjects she has chosen.

Then there is Bharath Lakshminarayan, 24, who works with a consultancy firm in Bangalore. Every week, he takes time out of his busy schedule to drive down to a friend's place in Malleshwaram, where a group reads out chapters from Shringeri Math textbooks, and discusses Sanskrit classics like Kalidasa's Shakuntala. "I started learning Sanskrit in school because it was a scoring subject. But now, I'm drawn to it by the fascinating literature it offers," he says.

As many as 30,000 people have enrolled for countrywide classes that are starting this July under the aegis of the Gita Shiksha Kendra, to help people know the Gita better, through Sanskrit. And 60 per cent of these are in the 18-28 age group. At the Delhi Samvadshala, students from 37 countries come down in winters to learn spoken Sanskrit. And in 2008, 2,000 Delhiites enrolled for spoken Sanskrit crash courses that were held across the city. Again, 60 per cent were in the 18 to 28 age group.

These statistics back up the claim of many Sanskrit institutions that young people are rediscovering Sanskrit. "Yes, we're going back to our roots," smiles Krishna Shastry, who, along with a group of like-minded people, started the Sanskrita Sambhashanam (Speak Sanskrit) movement in 1981. Just seven students joined the first course, held in Jayanagar, Bangalore. Obviously, a few stereotypes had to be broken. "Over the years, Sanskrit has been considered difficult, boring and irrelevant in a modern world. So we started with evolving a new, more interesting style of teaching," he says. This included teaching Sanskrit directly (without using another language) and creating an atmosphere where students were first taught words and sentences they could use in daily life.

The movement began gathering momentum slowly. Since 1981, 70 lakh-plus people have learnt to speak Sanskrit. Many of them are from metro cities like Delhi, Chennai and Bangalore. The current interest, according to Shastry, is fuelled by the worldwide fascination with yoga, Vedanta, ayurveda and chanting shlokas, together with the trend among management gurus to quote from the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads, for guidance about ethics in corporate life, leadership qualities and team-building. It helps, too, that Sanskrit is a "scoring subject" in upsc exams. Modern-day students of Sanskrit include doctors, software professionals and MBA students and faculty, apart from students of history and philosophy. B. Mahadevan, professor and dean, IIM-Bangalore, and ayurveda practitioner Dr Robert Svobada from Texas are just two unlikely people who have learnt to speak Sanskrit.

Back at the Delhi Samvadshala, Kuliyal readily translates Gabbar Singh's "kitne aadmi the" into Sanskrit, with a booming "kati gana asa". Just as quickly, he switches to a meek "sardara, do janau staha" just to emphasise that one can have fun in Sanskrit too. On the net, there is a Sanskrit learning site, translating popular Shahrukh Khan film songs like "Tum paas aye, aur muskuraye" into Sanskrit: "Twam samipamagatam, ani mandsmitam". Though Sanskrit pandits may not necessarily approve of this frivolous use of what is called Devbhasha, the teachers with Samskritam Bharati are indulgent because it helps draw young people into their fold. Teachers like Pune-based Manjushri Rahalkar, 35, are encouraging youngsters not to judge Sanskrit by the classes they used to hate in school. S. Deopujari, who is in charge of Samskritam Bharati projects all over India, is simplifying grammar to make speaking easier for beginners. Homemaker and Sanskrit enthusiast Padmavati, an Andhra native living in Delhi, teaches 8-13-year-olds to speak Sanskrit via the medium of games and plays at Ganesh Mandir in Delhi's Sarojini Nagar.

In the 2001 census, a mere 48,400 people have listed Sanskrit as their mother tongue. But by the time the next census is completed, the numbers may well have doubled or trebled, to include hip young urban professionals who think in English, feed on KFC fried chicken and compare the revival of Sanskrit in India to that of Hebrew in Israel. Easy to understand why they are fascinated with this ancient language that promises to take them back to their roots and shastras. Amen to that. Or, maybe the word to use here would be Tathastu!

 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Nov 05, 2009 05:59 PM
78
Sanskrit is great but Tamil is greater.

Reason:
ALL The 106 Divyadesam Temples are built after the Hymns were sung in praise of the Lord MahaVishnu inlcuding the 8 in north India and one in Nepal.

It is the wish of God that the 4000 divyapirabandhams, otherwise called as Paasurams, had to be sung in Tamil by the Tamilnadu Avatared Tamil speaking and singing Azhwars.

It is the wish of God that the Divine Avatared (Not born to any woman) Azhwars were all to take Avatar in Tamilnadu as Tamil speaking ONLY.

One of the 12 Azhwars took Avatar in The Great Chennai (Chennai is Really Great because of that), a fact not known to most or almost All is a sad fact indeed, in a well which is preserved even today.

The name of that Azhwar is PeyAzhwar.
There is one Paasuram which says "Vayyam sumapadhum vambhu" meaning it is a burden for the mother Earth to carry those who do not sing this Paasuram.

I kept asking myself and to those who point this Paasuram to me How can you expect a non-Tamilain to know this Paasuram who has no chance of knowing?

The reply I got is "Yes, it is true one has to know that paasuram which effectively means one should learn Tamil just like some people learn Sanskrit.

Remember however this is sung by Azhwar (Andal,. I believe, the only Female Azhwar) and not by some ordinary people like bharathiar, karunanidhi, mgr, chidambaram, kannadhasan, vali etc..
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM
77
for the benefit of you All
RamanujAcharya's Greatness:
One day the mother of Yadava Prakasa saw Ramanujacarya teaching his disciples and was impressed by his saintly qualities. She was a great devotee of Visnu and was somewhat unhappy that her son, Yadava Prakasa had become a follower of Sankaracarya's impersonal monism. She encouraged Yadava Prakasa to visit Ramanujacarya. That night Yadava Prakasa had a dream in which a divine voice instructed him to become Ramanujacarya's disciple. The next day, upon visiting Ramanujacarya, Yadava Prakasa found him wearing the dress of a Vaisnava. He asked him, “Why have you rejected the school of Sankaracarya? Why have you adopted this Vaisnava dress? Where is this sanctioned in the scriptures? Can you show any scriptural evidence supporting your behavior?”

With this, Ramanujacarya instructed his foremost disciple, Kuresa, to enlighten Yadava Prakasa with the scriptural evidence in support of Vaisnava dress. He quoted extensively from the Sruti, saying, “Sruti is the best evidence. Therefore I shall cite some references from the Sruti.

“To free themselves from the ocean of repeated birth and death, the best of men decorate their bodies with the symbols of the lotus and cakra of Visnu.

aibhirbayamurukramasya cihnai rahnkita loke subhaga bhavamah
tad visno paramam padam ye'dhigaccanti lacchata

“Just as those who go to the holy abode of Visnu are decorated with the conch, lotus, disc, and club, so shall we also wear these marks and thus attain that divine abode.

upavit-adi-baddharyah sanka-cakradayas tatha
brahmanasya visesena vaisnavasya visesatah

“Brahmanas should not only wear the sacred thread, but they should also decorate their bodies with the conch, lotus, cakra, and club of Visnu,thus identifying themselves as Vaisnavas.
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 23, 2009 07:46 AM
76
A:>>"You are just a petty hatemonger. ...tale spinner like you".

your own words indicate clearly that you are the hate-monger on these columns, really.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2009 11:20 PM
75
Seshadri,

>> thank you for not calling st.jayadeva a psychotic lunatic idiotic vily fox, for seeing 'gauthama the buddha' as 'gau-samrakshaka govinda's reincarnation only.

You are no more Jayadeva than you are Galileo or Newton. You are just a petty hatemonger.

>> spiritually devout all over the world will oneday realize, recognize, that Jesus... is only the reincarnate of ... skanda.

Spiritually devout all over the world have not yet accepted Jayadeva's teaching that Buddha was a reincarnation of Krishna, and they certainly have nothing to learn from a tale spinner like you.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 22, 2009 10:57 PM
74
A:"your foxy wiliness!"

thank you for not calling st.jayadeva a psychotic lunatic idiotic vily fox, for seeing 'gauthama the buddha' as 'gau-samrakshaka govinda's reincarnation only. on the same lines, the spiritually devout all over the world will oneday realize, recognize, that 'Jesus Immanuel' is only the reincarnate of 'eeSa-sooh manoo-vela' [Siva's son, murugan, velan, skanda], and mother mary as 'velankanni' only as 'velaambikaa kanyakaa', the virgin mother of Skanda, Parvati, collecting Siva's agni-putra-sixtets in Her hands at lake maanasarovar, as the six-headed shanmukha! [read kaaleedaasa's kumaara-sambhava]

'foxy wiliness' is the basic characteritic, only of your church, with world-wide conversion agenda. when you bring almost the whole of humanity under the bless of the divine shepherd, humanity will also realize that He is none other than kumara, the divine cock-herd, nephew of the divine cowherd krishNa, son of the divine bull-rider-lord Siva. Christianity and hinduism will fully unite into divinized humanism. conversions, reconversions will both become unnecessary. both the missionaries and bajhrangis will have to find other avocations for their livelihood. May God's will be done! You are welcome to curse me to your heart's content.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2009 10:16 PM
73
Seshadri,

>> thank your for your kind concern for the sanity of psychotic hindus, like me...

This is another example of your foxy wiliness! I did not call Hindus psychotic, just you.

>> psychotic hindus, like me, who believe in the rebirth of souls, divines as divines, demons as demons and humans as humans.

I have no problems with Hindu beliefs. I was questioning your fanciful theories of Skanda being reborn as Christ and so and so being reborn as so and so. These are not Hindu beliefs, just your psychotic outpourings.

>> saint jayadeva saw buddha as rebirth of krishna only.

Does that give all of us license to label any person as being a rebirth of any other person? Your proposed "rebirths" reveal only your predilections and prejudices.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 22, 2009 03:47 PM
72
A:>>"Please pray to the Almighty and ask Him to return you to sanity".

thank your for your kind concern for the sanity of psychotic hindus, like me, who believe in the rebirth of souls, divines as divines, demons as demons and humans as humans. saint jayadeva saw buddha as rebirth of krishna only, leading to the integration of the two religions. My suggestion is that you should strongly pray to Allah for the early salvation of all the hindus left in the world. Altho we believe in rebirths, we only long for esacaping the cycle of rebirths into salvation at eternal feet of the lord.
you can have the whole earth for being shared suitably between christendom and caliphate.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2009 12:44 PM
71
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 22, 2009 12:17 PM
70
Seshadri,

>>>> "not a single person agrees with your views"
>> none strongly disagrees with me, either.

There have been strong disagreements rom some other posters, but you just ignore them.

>> I only point out things that appear to be noteworthy correlatives.

Pointing out similarities between two individuals is okay. Using those similarities to say that one is reborn as another is psychotic.

>> both galileo, newton would also have had many anwars calling them mad.

Again you compare yourself with Galileo and Newton! Please pray to the Almighty and ask Him to return you to sanity.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 22, 2009 11:36 AM
69
>>"not a single person agrees with your views"

none but you strongly disagrees with me, either. they dont have to reveal their feelings anyway. these are not decided by voting and majority. it is all between each individual and the God of all names and forms, anyway. I only point out things that appear to be noteworthy correlatives. no interest in being guru to anyone or get to be some newton or galileo, either.
no personal axe to grind.

but, I am sure both galileo, newton would also have had many anwars calling them mad. we should thank them for ignoring the anwar-types of their time, trying to silence them!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2009 11:22 AM
68
J:>>"Go ask the qualified Guru"

Guruh saakshaat param bramha. the absolute Himself the real and ultimate guru for all. If He guides your mind to accept someone else as guru, that may be ok. I got indication of my gurus in my dreams, went to them, got full spiritual satisfaction. but, excessive priestocray by the guru-folk over the sishya-folk is not desirable, in any relig. very often, good gurus get a bad name, because of overplay of their prestige by arrogance-prone disciples. Sishyonmaado guru-drohah.

my own belief is: jaanaati naaraayaNah. jaavayati [makes souls be born] naavayati ca [navigates them to salvation thro the samsaara-saagara of reqd number of births]. the Lord knows what is good for each soul. He never lets any sincere devotee down. na me bhaktah
praNaSyati, He says, in the Gita.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2009 10:25 AM
67
sheshadri,

Don't assume the meaning yourself. Go ask the qualified Guru.
like for example "Vayyam sumapdhum vambhu.."
Thos who do not know even one thirpaavai the world is burdened to carry them. This may be hard to digest for others but that is the truth. If you are a true Hindu yopu should tell that nothing to fell sorry about.

Take pride in the fact that Tamil is the greatest language as a Tamilian yourself because that is the truth.

don't ask a north indian they have no idea because we have to blame ourselves. see you as a Tamilian didn't want to accept Tamil as the greatest and telling that Tamil came from Sanskrit.

If you ask a non tamilian they will tell like that only (all languages came from Sanskrit) It is the responsibility of a tamilian to preach this truth.

In All these Divyadesam Temples Mangalasasanam (Hymns sung in Tamil in praise of the lord, why these Hymns wee not sung in sanskrit. Ask the Guru in Chennai he will tell the truth) were performed be it in north india or Tamilnadu or Nepal. The Azwars went there by walk be it in Tirupathi (mind you Tirupathi was unreachable due to many factors one of which is animals on the way and no travel facility like today), be it in the inceridbly cold Badrinath.

Take pride in the fact that the azwars took avatar in Tamilnadu Only as Tamilians and proudly proclaim this truth. (however to be proud is not the intention here the intention here is to project the fact that the land Tamilnadu and the Language Tamil are the greatest) Why you must feel shy of telling this great truth. I couldn't understand.

Go ask the question to non-Tamiians why is it so. Can they answer. First of all they have no idea about this because we as Tamiian ourselves don't know these facts and secondly those who know didn't tell this truth to the world.
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 22, 2009 08:21 AM
66
Seshadri,

>>>>" to me your perceptions are naive and stupid".
>> to me, they are highly satisfying, conversant with significant correlations of names like velankanni, immanuel, samuel with the name 'velan' for skanda.

If not a single person agrees with your views, they can be called loony. And please don't compare yourself to Galileo or Newton! For every Newton, there are one million lunatics who claim to have made great discoveries that come to naught!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 22, 2009 06:19 AM
65
A:>>" to me your perceptions are naive and stupid".

and perverse, also. but, to me, they are highly satisfying, conversant with significant correlations of names like velankanni, immanuel, samuel with the name 'velan' for skanda, indicating that the anugraha-devataas of hindu theosphere have taken inclusive care of the whole of humanity in different parts of the world over the millennia.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 11:48 PM
64
Seshadri,

>> pastor, mulla types of clergy will certainly not agree with my perceptions.

I do not know how pastors and mullas would feel about your perceptions, but to me your perceptions are naive and stupid. The unity of the Suprenme Being is one thing, but saying that so and so from one religion is the same as so and so from another religion, or to say that so and so was reborn as so and so is absolute rubbish.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 21, 2009 10:58 PM
63
A:

I can inderstand your difficulties in agreeing to my views. you have to all them stupid and perverse only.

decades ago, I tried to go to see a movie in a chennai thetre. Some agents had bought out all the tickets and were selling them to comers at much higher rates, to make profit, something illegal. I told them I shall call the D-G of police on the phone and complain about their crminal actions. They immediately started pleading that they will let me go in normal rates, but I should not interfere with their way of making a living, 'dont beat us on our stomachs', they started saying, in tamil. I just went home without seeing the movie.

pastor, mulla types of clergy will certainly not agree with my perceptions, which will tend to subtract on their earnings for making their living. Only the laity in the organized religs should understand the higher truths behind all religs and slowly bring down the importance and power of the priestocracy in all of them. Perhaps, divine will guide all of them to real spiritual wisdom, in the this twenty-first century of knowledge-power for all mankind. We can only wait.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 09:40 PM
62
Seshadri,

>> only universality of perception on god-head.

Universality of perception of Godhead is good. Calling Jesus Skanda is stupid.

>> understand the basic concept of God, as an Absolute singular power.

Wise men understand that. Trying to oversimplify it by calling Jesus Skanda is just perversity.
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 21, 2009 09:04 PM
61
JASM:

read the second line in my tamil poem:
'agattiruLai izakkavaikkum iniya tamizh ol[L]iye'!
as:
'tamaatiruLai izakkavaikkum iniya tamizh ol[L]iye"!
the very word 'tamizh' means 'enlightenment' only.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 08:55 PM
60
A:>>"some inner perversity you suffer from?"

no perversity. only universality of perception on god-head. if any one believes in more than one God as a possibility, he does not understand the basic concept of God, as an Absolute singular power over the whole cosmos. perversity lies with you.

I am pointing out jesus = skanda, allaa = Siva, etc. only to show that devout christians and moslems will always be protected by the Absolute. Only the fanatical clerics in these two religions who have made conv and conq operations their mode of life, for their livelihoods, will have to correct themselves, before it is too late. Otherwise, the wrath of God can be very painful. papians and caliphians may meet the same fate as the romans and egyptians, two millennia back. May God's will be done.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 08:40 PM
59
JASM:>>"I am right about the number of Divyadesam Temples in the world.
Only 106 Divyadesams not 108
105 in India and 1 in Nepal.
2 not in this world (so I have not included those)"

I see your point. I have a vishnu-builders callendar at home showing 108 viaishNav shrines in pictures. last two are ksheerabdhinatha and paramapada-natha, the black hole, krishNa, at the centre of all galaxies, including milky way, the paramaatman underlying all atmans:
vaikunTo-ayam yagjna-kunTah yatra govinda-darSanam
vairaagya-gjnaana-deepta-hrid Siva-sambhoota-yoginah
your vaishnav guru will know the sans, even if you dont.

I am not iyengar, only a smarta iyer, but very devoted to naarayaNa also. the poorvaacharya of kanchi was signing his statements only as 'naaraayaNa-smriti'. Adi Sankara very devoted to vishnu. Nrsimha saved his life twice. His work raama-karNa-amrita is a classic devotional.

I have equal respect for tamil, my mother tongue, as for sanskrit, also.

my poems in praise of tamil in both the languages:
sans:
zhakara-alamkritaa bhaashaa puraanaa praakritaa paraa
tamo-naaSaat tameekshaNaat tattvagjnaa tamizhambikaa!.
tamil:
tirumurugan agattiyarkku aruLiya tiru-mozhiye
agattiruLai izakkavaikkum iniya tamizh ol[L]iye!
agattiyakkam aRiyavaikkum agaittiyar tam magaLe
ahambhaavam anittazhittu avan adi tandaruLe!
you may be able to understand it the tamil poem anyway.

may Lord NarayaNa be with you, always.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 04:11 PM
58
Sheshadri,
correction:
I am right about the number of Divyadesam Temples in the world.
Only 106 Divyadesams not 108
105 in India and 1 in Nepal.
2 not in this world (so I have not included those)

Tamilnad is the favourite land of God Vishnu and that is what I am trying to prove in my previous post.
It is not surprising though that Tamil is also his favourite language.

as you are in Chennai go straight to Parthasarathy Temple approach the Guru there and ask which is the language of God.

Do not bring the meat eater vivekananda's name here.
He has no idea about soul and God and his Guru ramakrishna paramhansa is a third class man.

visit krishna.org site
and saranagathi.org
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 21, 2009 12:35 PM
57
Seshadri,

>> no wonder skanda = jesus resides in the heart of vishnu.

Why do you have to equate a Hindu deity with Christians' Jesus? It is so senseless. Is it a reflection of some inner perversity you suffer from?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 21, 2009 12:15 PM
56
JASM:

may lord vishnu in 108 [not 106] divya-deSams bless you for your devotions.

But He is also the lord in all other divya-deSams, divinity shrines in the world, for other deities, also.

hinduism itself is polymorphic monotheism, seeing one God in variety of forms, as per inclinations of devotees.

akaaSaat patitam toyam yathaa gacchati saagaram
sarva-deva-namaskaarah keSavam prati-gacchati,

what vivekananda told the parliament of relig in chicago.

apart from the five [bramha's srishTi role taken over by Sakti, sthiti by vishNu, samhaara by Siva, tiro-dhaana by gaNeSa and anu-graha by skanda], hindus recognize divinity in soorya [sun] and aaryapa dharma-Saastaa and aanjaneya [hanoomaan] also.

kaame kuryaat Siva-smritim
[thought of Siva who burnt cupid, for relief from lust]
krodhe naaraayaNam smaret
[in anger, think of vishnu, the peace-giving protector]
lobhe labhyo dharma-Saastaa
[greed vanishes on devo to Iyyappa, the renouncer-lord]
mohaat muktir gjnaana-skandaat
[delusions dried off by the wisdom lord skanda]
made maanyet vighna-raajam
[arrogance subdued by thought of vishneswara]
maatsarye tu vibhaavasuh
[jealousy outlawed by sun, gracing one and all]
bhaye bhajet jagad-dhaatreem
[on fear, pray to the cosmomom]
raage viraktyai maarutim !
[for detachment, vairaagya, revere aanjaneya]

may Lord Naarayana bless you fully, through the ashTa-devataa cafetaria of hinduism, which includes, spiritually, all the divinities associated with all other religions of the world also.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 11:37 AM
55
JASM:

you seem to be a devout vaishNavaite.

sarva-samkarshaNaat krishNah
ghanaaryo gareeyaan guruh
reeyante sad-hrido yasmin
harih sarvaatmakah prabhuh.

I appreciate your hari-bhakti, the attractor lord by defn. no need for any other if He is in your heart.
Even Lord Siva is known as haribhakta only, with vishnu as raama in his heart. Hence:
reeyante sadhrido yasmin, harih sarvaatmakah Sivah, is also true.

Sree-raama-raama-iti rame raame manorame, says Siva to paarvati! Siva is also hara = allah of the moslems.

who is in vishnu's heart then? murugah; mukunda-hridayam gatah iti murugah; the husband of devyani and valli, both dtrs of vishnu only. no wonder skanda = jesus resides in the heart of vishnu.

who is in skanda's heart?. gaNeSa, his elder brother, john the baptist for the christians. He came to the help of murugan for his marriage with valli, in tamilnad, yiur favourite land.

who is gaNeSa's heart then ? his mother the cosmomom, holy spirit, paraa-Sakti, devi, ambal in tamil.

and who is in Her heart, then? Siva in parvati's heart as her consort, of course.

We have come one full circle.. .
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 21, 2009 10:38 AM
54
sheshadri,

If you thought a christian would have known this much about Hinduism that is your mistake. For your information I am not a christian which you seem to have misunderstood by my nick name.

Let me start from the root

Who is God?
Vishnu, Brahma or Shiva.

Those who agree that Vishnu is God and others are NOT God then continue reading. Others need not read any further.

How many Temples are most important for Lord Vishnu?
106.
Those who have no idea about this can continue reading if you wish. Those who know this Truth Great.

What is the term used for these Temples?
Divyadesam Temples Those who do not know this search in Google.

Till this point if one didn’t disagree with me then continue others can leave this post please.

If you do not consider any of the following information to your liking you can leave
no issues.

Why Divyadesam Temples are so very important?
These were built after the Mangalasasanam by the Azwars. The above search term might give you the answer

In what language these Hymns were sung in praise of the Lord MahaVishnu and by whom?
In Tamil and by the Azwars.

Where were these Azwars born and in what language?
In Tamilnadu and, as Tamils. Check in Google.

How many Azwars are there?
12 in number.

What is their greatness?
Incredible and so huge, couldn’t be written in this forum. It requires volumes to write about them and ther work. They all took avatar not birth. In other words they were not born to a woman.

What they have done?
Written paasurams know as divyapirabandhams 4000 in number. Popularly known as Naaliyira Divyapirabandham.

What it is (Naaliyira Divyapirabandham)?
Hymns sung in praise of the lord in Tamil. These Hymns were sung in these 106 Divyadesam Temples.

Where are these Divyadesam Temples situated?
Nepal and Gujarat = 1
Andhra Pradesh = 2
UP = 7
Kerala = 11
Tamilnadu = 84 (79%)

The highest number of Divyadesam Temples are situated in Tamilnadu so Tamilnadu is the greatest land. If you do not agree then you can explain or you need not continue further.
Tamilnadu has the highest shaivite Temples as well but that is not the subject matter here.

There is one paasruam (in Tamil) that says “Vayyam sumapadhum vambu” meaning those who do not read this one paasuram it is a burden for the world.
Thirupaavai is one of the most important Paasurams, I think 30 in number sung by the one and only female Azwar Andal.

A discourse is being held throughout India with ThiruPaavAi as the subject

Which is the greatest language?
Tamil, if one agrees or not but that is the truth.

Visit this site to hear stotram in Badrinath Temple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIZqcCi6dM

the unique Acharya RamanujaAcharya
http://saranagathi.o...ramanuja-sambandham/

Cheers bye bye
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 20, 2009 03:53 PM
53
JASM:>>"Tamil is the ONLY exception to this rule of all languages coming from sanskrit".

In my view, in early days, sanskrit and vedas were only Sruti, heard and remembered. no writings. Tamil was given to agastya by skanda as simpler lang, he developed script also for it. Later, the script was developed for sans also, with four letters for each consonant with four levels of sounds. Hence the name sams-krita, samyag-krita meaning 'specially prepared'.
Sans and tamil are to be seen as sister langs, instead of mother and dtr, in my opinion.

>>"Why the Naalayira (4000) Divyapirabandham is not written in Sanskrit instead of Tamil?

The alwars and nayanmars wrote and sang their poems because their mother-tongue was tamil only. But, they also knew sanskrit, vedas also. In the word naalaayira-divya-prabanham, you have mentioned, naalaayira is tamil, but 'divya-prabandham' is only a sanskrit word, meaning devotional verse collections.

Saint thyagaraja sang praises of sree raama only in his mother toungue telugu. He also knew sanskrit. Same with purandara-daasa who wrote in kannada. Both knew sans also.

most vaishnavaites are proud to consider themselves ubhaya-bhaashaa-praveeNas, indicating prowess in both langauges, tamil and sanskrit.

>>"There is one Paaasuram which says ".... vayyam sumapadhum vambhu" meaning atleast one Thirupaavai should be read by all the people in the world once a day. whether you agree or don't agree but the fact remains as such".

the verse you have quoted translates as 'the world is burdened by quarrels'. you dont know tamil at all. if you are a conversionist pastor trying to destroy hindu devotionalism in tamilnad by sans-tamil controversies, you will only be punished by jesus himself.

>>"Why the Azwars didn't take avatar anywhere else other than in Tamilnadu?"

not avtars. just devout souls. mostly dravidian good souls born devotionally, in repentance for opposing raama in assistance to ravana under his misguidance.

>>"Why these Azwars were Tamilians and not in Sanskrit or hindi?"

many hindu devouts have been born all over india, in all centuries, singing praise of vishnu in their own
languages, marathi, gujarati, hindi and bengali. Dont try north-south divide now. pray to jesus for your own salvation.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 20, 2009 11:04 AM
52
seshadri,

Tamil is the ONLY exception to this rule of all languages coming from sanskrit.
Why the Naalayira (4000) Divyapirabandham is not written in Sanskrit instead of Tamil?

There is one Paaasuram which says ".... vayyam sumapadhum vambhu"
meaning atleast one Thirupaavai should be read by all the people in the world once a day.
whether you agree or don't agree but the fact remains as such.

Why the Azwars didn't take avatar anywhere else other than in Tamilnadu?
Why these Azwars were Tamilians and not in Sanskrit or hindi?
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 14, 2009 08:23 PM
51
Seshadri,

>> those who want to destroy hinduism, for their chistendom or umma agendas, keep provoking divisions caste-wide, lang-wise, region-wise and cult-wise and mutt-wise also.

Always blame others, as if Hinduism itself is a stranger to divisionism! Who is more divisionistic in this forum than you?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 14, 2009 08:06 PM
50
S:>>"Disunity among various sects among the hindus is being exploited by others for their own benefit and we are smug not to realise it".

you are right, those who want to destroy hinduism, for their chistendom or umma agendas, keep provoking divisions caste-wide, lang-wise, region-wise and cult-wise and mutt-wise also.

‘casts’ were professional choices, talent-based, only, not hereditary, as in its degenerate form as casteism, being used to nurture dynasticism in poltics also, these days. Doctor’s kid alone the new doctors. The dead CM’s son alone the new CM!. .

While teaching 'professional ethics', as a course to my btech students, I explained the word ‘profession’ in sans as “prabhaavam aasanayati iti”, meaning ‘establisher in excellence’. Like MMSingh, as profl economist, concentrating on eco-reforms, not on money-making for his family! Commercializn of educ by politicians, in all sectors, is destroying all the professions in our country, these days. .

All languages of India and Europe are only based on Sanskrit, including Tamil also.
ritam samskaaraya iti samskritam. ritam = spiritual truth to be obtained from entunement with the absolute. ritam gjnaatam iti rig, the vedic ‘word’[rig-veda] seen by the seers, rishis, ricam paSyati iti rishih. Words constitue the roots of knowledge, as per bible also..

tamo-naaSaat tam-eekshaNaat tattvagjnaa tamizhambikaa: ‘tamattai izhakka Seivadaal tamizh’. Zhakaara-alankritaa bhaashaa puraaNaa praakritaa paraa. A natural, powerful lang with ‘zha’ as special consonant, used by ‘aazhvaars’, god-intuners, to praise the space lord Vishnu. Zha becomes special in tamizh, bec it was specially given by baby-boy murugan [including baby’s ‘zha’ along with la and La also] to sage agastya, when he had prankishly imprisoned bramha of four faces, the creator of sans with four-sounds for consonants. The very word draavida is only sans. Regionalized division only to rule the masses!

The dividers of Hinduism are also trying to divide the Brahmins themselves as vaishNavites and Saivaites, saying raamaanuja as amSa of aadi-Sesha is superior to Sankara as amSa of Siva. But aadi Sesha as serpant-lord is only seen sitting on the shoulder of Siva, the time-lord, kaaleSwara! So, the space-lord viSwam vishNuh, as 3-D space is within the time-lord Siva of 4-D space-time continuum, in which cosmomom power of relativity operates the universal dynamics.

deSa-roopo naaraayaNo kaala-roopa-Sivasya hrid,
deSotthitaa mahaa-maayaa kaale viSwam karoti saa!

Creation starts only with the release of hydrogen atoms [naaraah] from empty space, as per modern science.

aapoo naaraah iti proktaah aapo vai nara-sindhavah,
te yad asya ayanam tasmaad naaraayaNa udeeryate!

Gravity on these compresses them to create fusionic suns, stars, planets around, on which lives form and grow and transform.

Om-kaaraat SrishTinaah naaraah
hreem-kaaraat krishTitaah sadaa,
Sreem-kaaraat pushTitaah lokaah,
aim-kleem-gloum-sauh-pra-paalitaah!.

praNava-vidyaa, perennial philo, includes gjnaana [self-wisdom], vigjnaana[science] and tadgjnaana[technology] also!

bramha-praNava-vidyaa saa paraa poorNaa pramaaNikaa,
sarva-gjnaana-vigjnaanaanaam sootra-bhootaa sanaatanee!

The john-anthony-samuel-michael [tehelka? Vincent?], jasm-chap is, perhaps, on the last trick of dividing the Sankara–disciples also, as between Sringerians versus the kanchi mutt. Perhaps, they all worked together, along with neo-cons, to make JJ jail the kanchi aacharya on a deepavali night. Jesus became furious and tsunamied velankanni on very next Christmas morning! Good man pope paul passed away, for the sin of these rascals. May his soul rest in peace with the Lord.

The Sringerians insist that Sankara was born only in the 8th century, as per their records, perhaps disturbed during bhaamini attacks on vijayanagar. If sankara was of 8th century, he would not have ascended the sarvagjna-peeTa without winning over chr also, since he himself hails fromm kerala where Thomas had come even before St. peters was established in rome! Sankara predates Jesus by a few centuries, as per kanchi records. He attained samaadhi at kanchi. When jesus [skanda, after bapt by john = vinaayaka] wandered to Tibet, Sankara went to him there and gave him sanyas. Hence, Tibet is tri-patha-deSa, land associated with 3 faiths, hind, budh and chr also. When jesus allowed himself to be crucified [for maarying devsenaa arriving as magadelene, despite sanyas], Sankara from kanchi entered his body, arose as resurrected Christ on easter Sunday, asked Saul= Paul to propagate a relig-of-love among slave-driver romans, wandered off to kashmir, attaining second samaadhi at Sankaraachaarya hill.

The paapians trying tricks to destroy india and Hinduism by divide and rule approach should remember what has recently happened to ysr and regions in AP, Ktka he was operating for conversions. Jesus Christ is no longer with the conversionists. He will punish them severely for such tricks, since he has ‘returned’ into the spear-handed Skanda again!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 14, 2009 07:52 PM
49
Seshadri,

>> The john-anthony-samuel-michael [tehelka? Vincent?], jasm-chap is, perhaps, on the last trick of dividing the Sankara–disciples also.

Can't you answer jasm on substance without trying to label him? The religion or the caste of the poster seems to be paramount in your mind.

>> what has recently happened to ysr and regions in AP, Ktka he was operating for conversions.

So you think the recent floods in AP and Karnataka which killed over 200, and YSR's death in a helicopter crash, were God's punishments for Christians? Did you, with the spiritual powers that you claim to possess, pray for these tragedies to happen? Why does an obscurantist neanderthal want to post in the forum of a secular cosmopolitan magazine? Do you see any other posters writing such rubbish?
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Oct 14, 2009 06:58 PM
48
Jasm:>>”yes kanchi mutt is Bogus created by some bogus people that is for sure. It is not recognized by any other mutts”.

The john-anthony-samuel-michael [tehelka? Vincent?], jasm-chap is, perhaps, on the last trick of dividing the Sankara–disciples also, as between Sringerians versus the kanchi mutt. Perhaps, they all worked together, along with neo-cons, to make JJ jail the kanchi aacharya on a deepavali night. Jesus became furious and tsunamied velankanni on very next Christmas morning! Good man pope paul passed away, for the sin of these rascals. May his soul rest in peace with the Lord.

The Sringerians insist that Sankara was born only in the 8th century, as per their records, perhaps disturbed during bhaamini attacks on vijayanagar. If sankara was of 8th century, he would not have ascended the sarvagjna-peeTa without winning over chr also, since he himself hails fromm kerala where Thomas had come even before St. peters was established in rome! Sankara predates Jesus by a few centuries, as per kanchi records. He attained samaadhi at kanchi. When jesus [skanda, after bapt by john = vinaayaka] wandered to Tibet, Sankara went to him there and gave him sanyas. Hence, Tibet is tri-patha-deSa, land associated with 3 faiths, hind, budh and chr also. When jesus allowed himself to be crucified [for maarying devsenaa arriving as magadelene, despite sanyas], Sankara from kanchi entered his body, arose as resurrected Christ on easter Sunday, asked Saul= Paul to propagate a relig-of-love among slave-driver romans, wandered off to kashmir, attaining second samaadhi at Sankaraachaarya hill.

The paapians trying tricks to destroy india and Hinduism by divide and rule approach should remember what has recently happened to ysr and regions in AP, Ktka he was operating for conversions. Jesus Christ is no longer with the conversionists. He will punish them severely for such tricks, since he has ‘returned’ into the spear-handed Skanda again!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 14, 2009 01:04 PM
47
yes kanchi mutt is Bogus created by some bogus people that is for sure. It is not recognized by any other mutts.
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 14, 2009 11:31 AM
46
Quote:
faraway place.ambedkar may be the greatest for me gandhi for some and adisankara for some brahmins but forcing adisankara as the greatest (the same with sanskrit)is the irritating dominating attitude found till date in brahmins.
ganapathi
chennai, India

I agree with you
I note with particular interest this part of your statement "adisankara as the greatest (the same with sanskrit)is the irritating..." and would like to give a serious thought and answer to that.

When a lie is told many times over it will become true isn't it? but then a lie will remain a lie anyway.

just look into my previous post and the Adisankara supporting brahmins will know which Language is the Greatest.

RamanujaAcharya is the Greatest. How many know this Ramanuja is the same Great Soul who took the avatar of the mighty armed mghty Demon killing Balarama the elder brother of Krishna in MahaBharatha and the younger brother of Rama as bow and arrow holding angry Lakshmana the younger brother.

How many know that RamanujaAcharya is the only one who can give Liberation "Moksha" and NOT Sankara then how can Sankara be greater?

RamanujaAcharya is the only one whom every Vaishnava cult has Sambandham with Go ask any Vaishnava cult be it in north, east, west or south.
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 14, 2009 11:05 AM
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Why only in Tamil the Paasurams were written and why the great Temples are found mostly in Tamilnadu only?

Why the Greatest Temples were built after the Paasurams (Hymns) were sung in praise of the Lord MahaVishnu in Tamil ONLY by the Tamil Avatared Azwars?

Mind you these Temples were spread throughout India though mostly in Tamilnadu so that people CAN'T argue "oh it is in Tamilnadu ONLY so only it was sung in Tamil only"

And these Azwars during the times of No Train and Buses travelled to these Temples by walk to praise the Lord in Tamil Paasurams be it in Tamilnadu or Gujarat or Andhra or Up or even Nepal. Why ,... why?

One of these Temples is in Badrinath where the Temple will remain closed for 6 months due to unbearable cold and snow from Nov. till April. Even in summer from May till Oct. there is biting cold.

Devotees visit this Temple by the only way possible by ordinary mortals the flight these days. During the previous days of mild travel facitily (train and buses) it is not possible to land by flight devotees used to keep that as the last Temple to visit because there is no guarantee of returning back (Yes it is True mostly most of them will die due to severe cold)

How the Azwar went there by walk?

Any Explanation?
I will come out with explanation in my next post.
jasm
chennai, India
Oct 14, 2009 10:51 AM
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Why only in Tamil the Paasurams were written and why the great Temples are found mostly in Tamilnadu only?

Why the Greatest Temples were built after the Paasurams (Hymns) sung in praise of the Lord MahaVishnu in Tamil by the Tamil Avatared Azwars?
jasm
chennai, India
Jul 12, 2009 12:00 AM
43
samskritam is mother all languages of bharat. in otherwords all languages of bharat consists of atleast 50% of samskritam and thus every indian knows 50% of samskritam. this fact we have to clarify
m s reddy
Chennai, India
Jul 02, 2009 12:00 AM
42
BRA is truly a great man.
GAJANAN

I knew your intensions. You were all in admiration of BR only but when you compared Dr BR with Thapar- I wouldn’t do that- and said in your post ," looks like..." it meant that there are remnants of doubt in you about the intellect of BR. Thats the impression it gave me though you may not have meant it. So forget it.

Thapar is a classic Marxist pseudo secular dinosaur of vintage who survives bcze of patronage not bcze of any inherent original merit. She has perfected the art of rationalising any atrocity of muslim invaders to absurd levels. Ex. Aurangzeb collected jizya to help protect the hindus!!! So on, she can say Nadir shah massacred Hindus in Delhi bcze Nadir was moved by the plight of poor due to shortage of food in draught stricken Delhi and he genuinely wanted to help the downtrodden who were denied food by the fat punjabi land lords. So he had no other go except to warn the land lords who would not heed his advice. He had no other go but to use some force to bring justice to the poor. So what if he killed them to get food for the masses if it meant saving hard working peasants much needed for next crop sowing. What good were the fat punjabis? That’s how it runs.

If I have hatred for any since decades it is for this lady. I am an upper caste and lost a privileged PG seat to a lesser equipped colleague, thanks to Dr BR's policy of reservation. ( it’s another matter I got what I wanted subsequently except for losing some years) Yet I do not hate him but only admire him for his intellect. Though he was universal in values unfortunately the SCs have deified him too boorishly to alienate him from the educated of the upper castes. I wish all SCs truly follow his path of hard work and courage based on morals not on privileges.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 02, 2009 12:00 AM
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Sandilya

That was exactly my point, You have put it more clearly. BRA went from penury to intellect , whereas Nehru had an easy passage , which created Thapar to spin her yarns later at JNU.

BRA is truly a great man.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 02, 2009 12:00 AM
40
>> Looks like Bhimarao Ambedkar was more enlightened and more visionary even though he was denied Sanskrit teaching by the upper castes. Bhimrao was several notches up on Pandit of the yore and Romila Thapar...


If you read Dr BR Ambedkar's works you would realise that he was far enlightened and intellectually superior even to Nehru.

He had the vision to forcast the the eventual demise of communism even when it was at its height of popularity.

Also, seeing the inexperienced Nehru's handling, he also foresaw the kashmiri problem to remain perennial and further went on record to say that it would be a thorn in the flesh for ever.And both proved right.

Dr BR might have been offensive at times but he was brutally honest intellectually. Romilla Thapar is a Mrxist and loathsomely biased and dishonest.

Comparing Dr BR with Thapar is like comparing apples with thorn apples. Lets not insult Dr BR, the giant among pigmies.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 02, 2009 12:00 AM
39
"The first step in the popular revival of Sanskrit (which I am completely in favour of) is to liberate it from the clutches of the Hindu orthodoxy and use it in all the other creative spheres of life which it used to dominate in olden days. All this religious baggage has seriously encumbered and drastically reduced Sanskrit's scope .. the language's true enthusiasts would do well to free it from the clutches of religion first"

Here is why all this happened. Read below.


tilak.sulekha.com/.../bheemayanam-a-biogra
phy-of-dr-ambedkar-in-sanskrit.htm -

"A dispatch of the Press Trust of India (PTI) dated September 10, 1949 states that Ambedkar was among those who sponsored an amendment making Sanskrit as the official language of the Indian Union in place of Hindi. Most newspapers carried the news the next day, i.e., on September 11, 1949 (see the issue of Sambhashan Sandeshah, a Sanskrit monthly published from Delhi , June 2003: 4-6).

Other dignitaries who supported Dr Ambedkar's initiative included Dr B.V. Keskar, then the Deputy Minister for External Affairs and Professor Naziruddin Ahmed. The amendment dealt with Article 310 and read: 1.The official language of the Union shall be Sanskrit. 2. Notwithstanding anything contained in Clause 1 of this article, for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this constitution, the English language shall continue to be used for the official purposes of the union for which it was being used at such commencement: provided that the President may, during the said period, by order authorise for any of the official purposes of the union the use of Sanskrit in addition to the English language . But the amendment was defeated in the Constituent Assembly due to the opposition of the ruling Congress Party and other lobbyists.

If Ambedkar had succeeded, the renewed interaction between Sanskrit as the national language and speakers of other languages would have initiated a sociological process of upward and downward mobility. While rulers, pilgrim centres, and temple complexes used to be the traditional agents of such interaction, the state operated broadcasting agencies, school textbooks, and the film and music industry would have emerged as new agents facilitating that interaction.

When honourable Prof Romila Thapar was asked by Dr Yvette Rosser as to why there is no Universties doing focussed work on Sanskrit, the reply was it is there is mutts and peethas. If you get replies like this, how can one learn Sanskrit scientifically and systematcially.

Looks like Bhimarao Ambedkar was more enlightened and more visionary even though he was denied Sanskrit teaching by the upper castes. Bhimrao was several notches up on Pandit of the yore and Romila Thapar on score with respect to propagating Sanskrit.

This is a very good web site below about how BRA wanted to establish Sankrit studies at Bonn University.

www.maren-bellwinkel.de/artikel/ambedkar.pdf -

For further interest

www.americansanskrit.com

This gives similarities between Latvian and Lithuanian languages.
www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi51.htm -

Software on Sanskrit . Excellent web site.

www.taralabalu.org/panini/ -
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 02, 2009 12:00 AM
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Mediocre article !

If you must write an article on Sanskrit, at least research on the correct meaning of your opening sentence. "Bhagini, shighram, shighram gachchami" does not mean "move faster, sister". Literally translated, it means "Sister, quick quick I am going" .. in other words, the speaker of these words isn't asking YOU to walk fast.

Secondly, I absolutely hate the mix of Sanskrit and religion (i.e. Hinduism). Sanskrit, when it was spoken natively in India, was a secular language of the court, of literature, of the sciences and of commerce. In fact, its body of secular literature is immensely larger than its religious usage.

The first step in the popular revival of Sanskrit (which I am completely in favour of) is to liberate it from the clutches of the Hindu orthodoxy and use it in all the other creative spheres of life which it used to dominate in olden days. All this religious baggage has seriously encumbered and drastically reduced Sanskrit's scope .. the language's true enthusiasts would do well to free it from the clutches of religion first. Only then would it really have a chance of being heard as a genuine living and thriving language of the masses.
Pankaj Vaishnavi
London, United Kingdom
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
37
Adi Sankara himself a grear devotee of vishNu, besides the five other deities of hinduism he formulated for worship as the shaN-matas, six routes to the absolute.
sehadri
Thats knowledge for me. thank you.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
36
>>the main reason for increased equality to woman/blacks/dalits etc r due to science

Ganapathi

I fully agree with you on this. Yes, religion gives solace only to the soul but science alone can solve many of the earthy problems. That’s why I said in my post, I consider Faraday no less than a God. Such people have made our lives liveable in this world which otherwise is no less a wretched place.

Enlightened atheism is alright, and it is individuals preference; I have nothing to say. But religion is required for the masses to keep them under some moral binding for safe conduct. Religion no doubt is a double edged knife.

I am not very sure if Shankara with his kind of enlightenment could have given any such instruction that only Namboodiris were qualified for the priesthood at Badrinath etc.
Let me say an example. An accomplished professor would not hand over his reigns of dept to anyone other than those he trusts. At that point of time when Shanakara established mutts, obviously only the Brahmins were in pursuit of knowledge and therefore it must have been a natural thing if another Brahmin took over.

Also post Shankara, the clannishness and nepotism we all possess must have played a role among the guys who got into the affairs, and having got once into the groove they must have contrived to continue the same practice as though ordained by Shankara.

There are many things unacceptable in the running of church. To attribute those unpalatable things to Jesus ordained is blasphemy. Just as today’s Church is far removed from the teachings of Jesus so is Shankara from what is happening in the mutts. Even I believe that the Kanchi mutt is not official.
I choose not to see Shankara with petty mind bcze there is enough to say he was above such pettiness.

Finally lets accept the natural imperfections rather than remain unrealistic in expectations and judge any by their trivial negatives. By that analogy even God is not perfect in His creation.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
35
Thank you for publishing this article. At the outset it is the revival of the sanskrit language for an exhaustive usage across all walks of life.

The interest shown by yougsters will go a long way in keeping the tradition alive.

I have also noticed a site in Bangalore
http://kakali.in/
which has commenced Sanskrit classes. It just goes to show that the language is here to stay for long and has a renewed interest across.

Long live the sanskrit tradition.
Ashok H T
Bangalore, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
34
Seshadriji

I fully agree with you.
Disunity among various sects among the hindus is being exploited by others for their own benefit and we are smug not to realise it.

I remember Paramacharya of kanchi utter the words 'Narayana, Narayan' whenever people prostrated at him.And same way we had a senior smartha saivite officer who used to say the same when anybody wished him. I asked him how come? He answered 'Shivaya vishnuroopaya..Vishnaaya Sivayena maha..'You know that better than me.

sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
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S to G:>>"denial must have something to do with hygiene of dalits who bcze of poverty remained unclean and that decided the trend which took roots strongly there after. I am all for equality of all."

you are right. any group of people getting ghettoed into living separately from main-stream life in villages, [volantarily in premoghul days, or Bs outcast as Ds in post-moghul days, either way], leads to lower standards of life, lesser cleanliness, more diseases and clearer separation to avoid infections on others.
Social ethics must clearly insist on ghetto-avoidance.

the moslems in india and europe these days seem to be making the same mistake, supported by their mullas also, preferring to live in separated clusters, with clearly different dress and behaviour patters, to clearly maintain their separate 'identity'. The earlier they overcome this 'separate-identity' syndrome, the better for them and the rest of the world.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
32
Sandilya:>>"Lord Venkateswara is our favourite diety. But I personally have lots reverence for Shankaracharya and I believe Advaitam is close to my belief though we are vaishnavites, and I desire to pray Vishnu. I do not see anachronism here"

Right. Adi Sankara himself a grear devotee of vishNu, besides the five other deities of hinduism he formulated for worship as the shaN-matas, six routes to the absolute. He wrote the geetaa-bhaashya after Vyasa himself appeared before him and asked him to do it. When he called for the manuscript, itturned into vishNu-sahasra-naama, three times. He then decided to write explanation for the vishNu-sahasranaama before doing it for gita. I have personally found that reading gita after reciting vishNu-sahasra-naama claries mind on the contents of the gita. I am also only a smaarta brahmin, not anti-Siva vishNava. The poorva-aachaarya of kanchi Sankara mutt himself used to sign his messages only as 'naarayana-smriiti'.

If the brahmins among hindus today really want to work for savin hinduism for posterity [it will anyway survive even without their help], the least they can do is to forget Saiva-vaishNava conflicts and inter-mutt conflicts, which only help the missionaries in their vile ways. There is famous sloka which says that that those who drive a wedge of conflict betw Siva and VishNu worships will get the blessings of neither, get defeated, like Ravan. Those who worship both equally will get blessed by the cosmomom and succeed in life, materially and spiritually, like Arjuna.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
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dear shandilya if michael faraday has said that his relatives and caste people alone would be chairman of electricity boards(u didnt answer why he made it a must that only brahmins from kerala can become the priest in badrinath,karnataka for pashupathinath etc)and indians r not fit enought to use electricity and denied them will u praise him. dont compare scientists with religious persons has scientists inventions cross all barriers and benefit most. the main reason for increased equality to woman/blacks/dalits etc r due to science as the presence of electricity,washing machines,oral contraceptive pills can make the woman to study and the menfolk are less bothered. the education among girls is the poorest in places where they have to walk for kilometers to collect water. the arrival of mohammed/adi sankara/jesus doesnt reduce the death rate and millions were lost due to plague/famines and floods. its only with the arrival of atheist/people who started questioning all dogma the death rate has reduced and we have crossed 5 billion.they were neither able to prevent wars nor save people and their only acheivement was to create blind followers. the absence of these messiahs would have made the world a better place some centuries back.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
30
Sandilya,

Good post!
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
29
Seshadriji

I am a non brahmin but my family's practice of worship is in the Vaishnavite tradition. I agree with you about The Hindu. I call it The UnHindu. I feel disgusted with that chameleon called Ram, editor of The (Un)Hindu. The less said about him the better.

Lord Venkateswara is our favourite diety. But I personally have lots reverence for Shankaracharya and I believe Advaitam is close to my belief though we are vaishnavites, and I desire to pray Vishnu. I do not see anachronism here. I see Shankara as a greatest enlightened soul with prodigious gift of intelligence and spiritual knowledge. To write some 62 philosophical treatises by the age of 32 is no small matter . I guess he must have had IQ more than Newton.

The dates of Adi Shankara are always in dispute. Unfortunately no authentic research had gone into that.

@ Ganapathi: You must accept first that the world is not perfect.

If one believes that God has created this world why are there so many imperfections and savage built into survival of species.. Why are there so painful inequalities in His creation?
We have no clear answers. But I see them as a divine plan beyond our comprehension. The five fingers in our hand are not of equal length but anatomically they ought to be like that only.Everything in this universe has a purpose of which some we understand some we don’t.

Shankara after all lived just 32 years and in that short span he accomplished more than any can dream of. If you ask what did he do for dalits, well, it’s a mute question. The fact that he prostrated at the feet of a Chandaal means that he had no prejudices. His focus was on revival of Hinduism and he did just that. You cannot blame for the faults of treacherous upper caste hindus who might have denied entry of dalits. I hail from a village and I feel the practice of denial must have something to do with hygiene of dalits who bcze of poverty remained unclean and that decided the trend which took roots strongly there after. I am all for equality of all.

You agree that Michael Faraday invented the electro-magnetic induction which led to electric generation on mass scale? Don’t you revere him for his great contribution? I consider him Gods real incarnation.

Now let us say a villager comes and questions the contribution of Faraday bcze he has not worked to get electricity to his village would you think it’s a sound argument? Does that argument belittles Faraday’s contribution?

The same analogy applies to your question on Shankara vis-a vis – dalits.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
28
Is he the same figure as "Sankaracharya" as I had learned in my school days ?

In that case, I agree fully with you.

PINAKI S RAY

Yes, Ray , I mean the same Shankaracharya.

sandilya
Chennai, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
27
Either tha writer of this article needs to enrol in a Sanskrit class or the kid in the opening quote should apply for a refund. The translation of the opening quote is wrong. "Gachchami" means "I am going" so what the hip kid spouting Sanskrit was actually saying was "Sister, I am going quickly".
Shubhang
New Delhi, India
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
26
Sandilya: In my opinion, the kanchi records showing aadi Sankara as pre-christ saint is correct. He ascended the sarvagjna peeTa in Kashmir winning over all philo-types known at his time. Had it been eighth century AD, he would have had to debate the chr, mosl also, since both had been well-known, by then. He would not have accepted the position, himself without that.

Ganapathy happily points out that Ramaanuja admitted dalits into vaishnavaite social groups, while sankara did not do so. The reason is that in sankara’s time, 5h bc, the fifth caste of pancamas were para-arya asura-beeja anti-aaryans not willing to recognize hindu gods, will not get into temples of ram or Krishna even if admitted. They gladly joined islam when the arabs arrived, forced the Brahmins of the post-mughal society as the new dalits with names after ram and krishn. These were keen of rejoining devo to Vishnu, raamaanuja gladly gave them the naaraayana mantra!. This itself shows that Sanklara date is as per kanchi records.

In my opinion, Sankara came to kanchi after establishing the other 4 mutts and attained samaadhi there. He transited spiritually to Tibet to give sanyas dheekshaa to jesus. The picture showing jesus in the catacombs of rome in Vatican shows him only as typical shaven-head sanyasi with stick in hand!. Being skanda, He had to marry devyani coming as Magdalene, allowed himself to be crucified , for that fault. Sankara transited again from samaadhi in kanchi and resuurected as Christ on easter Sunday. He asked Saul = Paul to givev Christianity to Europe, wandered back to India and attained secondcsamaadhi in sankaraachaarya near sreenagar in Kashmir. Main reason why pak is not able to take J&K away from India. Of course, ganapathy and his cohorts will not agree with my statements. God knows the truth, and truth will assert itself eventually, satyam eva jayate.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 01, 2009 12:00 AM
25
Sandilya:>>"The greatest soul ever born in this country is Adi Shankara"

I appreciate your high reverence for aadi Sankara, amSa-avtar of Lord Siva Himself. Of course there are Brahmins in south India who want to cut down on the importance of adi sankara in India’s spiritual and philosophical history. This only cuts down on ganapathy’s own claim that adi Sankara was the evil force which united Bs in Hinduism for exploitation of NBs. No one can unite the hindu Bs, especially of the south.

Now, ganapathy is playing on this B-disunity itself to malign aadi Sankara, in reverse!. His hatred for aadi Sankara makes me wonder whether he is the rebirth of the kaapaalika who tried to sacrifice aadi sankara to kaalabhirava, but got killed by nrsimha.

One anti-Sankara group in the south are the vaishnavaite Bs who want to project raamaanuja as greater in virtue than Sankara. These have now intermarried with maaran and mk families and are working with them against Hinduism thro an islamophile daily newspaper titled ‘the Hindu’. The other anti-aadi Sankara group are the smaartha disciples of the Sringeri Mutt, who say that kanchi Sankara mutt is a pseudo-set-up, that Sankara was born in 8th century AD, not in the 5th century before Christ, as per kanchi-mutt records, claim of Sankara samaadhi in kanchi as false. They take abhinava Sankara who presided over sringeri mutt in 8th century as the aadi Sankara, and claim that he established only 4 mutts, mainly bec the bahaaminis destroyed the viyanagar period records. Many historians in India support them. CPR iyer who supported them died, soon after, in England! The sringerians, vaishnavaites, supported the neo-conservatives of usa in pressing jayalalitaa to jail the kaanchi mutt aachaarya on a deepavali night. Siva = Christ dissented, with a severe tsunami on velankanni the very next Christmas, jayalalita lost power very soon politically also, continues in doldrums!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
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what did adisankara do about untouchability?did he conducted any temple entry movement for dalits.ramanujar was far better in this aspect.adisankara was responsible for the brahminisation of hinduism and the stranglehood of priests.shankaracharyas are no less than the fatwa issuing mullahs and the role of both is the same.i recently read that nepali kings are allowed to touch the deity in puri jaganath apart from the brahmin priests as they r the descendants of vishnu.the puri jagannath temple priests threw away the entire prashad because a foreigner eneterd it and had conducted purifying ceremonies after a dalit minister came for worship.this dramatic stories of falling in the feet of chandala etc r comical as he could have just selected some untouchables as his disciples and given them charge of some temples.he played alkong with the wind as the hindu upper castes were dead against untouchables but gave their daughters and sisters to muslims as 4th,14th wife for land and peaceful living.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
23
i have been to badrinath thrice and till date the practise is to call an interview among the kerala brahmins after the chief priest becomes too old and its conducted by the descendants of the rulers of joshimed and garhwal himalayas.thepriest from kerala takes a surname rawal on assuming charge.it hapopened even very recently.no UP/UTTARKHAND brahmin can appear for the post.the priest moves along with the statue to joshimed during winters and falls back in end april.
its known to evryone on how the maoists tried to appoint nepal brahmins to the post of priest in pashupathinath and was opposed as adisankara had reserved it for brahmins from karnataka.out of the thirteen jyothirlings most have been rserved for specific brahmins by adisankara.
dear seshadri sankaracharyas r not selected from phd,s and r selected at the age between 5 to 10 and they too r selected based on the lineage of their families.kindly go to any sankara mutt and learn how they r selected and which lineage is meant for udipi/sringeri(the sankaracharyas dont consider as one among them and till date insist that adisankara started only 4 and kanchi was a pseudopeetam.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
22
thousands of jains were killed after adisankara won over the king to saivism.he can defenitely be called the father of reservation policy and its no mean acheivement and deserves to be hailed for it.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
21
dear friends
kindly name any instance in history where posts where reserved for a particular caste of people born thousands of kilometers away as adisankara did with badrinath temple(till date only brahmins from kerala the namboodiris can become priests there and no other brahmin even if he is a chaturvedi or bhat(the top brahmins).badrinath a buddhist shrine was converted into a hindu shrine by adisankara and to maintain brahmin unity and dominance adi sankara made it compulsory that the brahmin priests for the diffrent temples were brahmins who were from faraway places.it is the practise till date that brahmins from karnataka only can become priests in pashupathinath,namboodiris in badrinath etc.the priesthood in all major temples are not open even to all brahmins and are absolutely reserved for a specific group of brahmins from a faraway place.ambedkar may be the greatest for me gandhi for some and adisankara for some brahmins but forcing adisankara as the greatest (the same with sanskrit)is the irritating dominating attitude found till date in brahmins.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
20
"The greatest soul ever born in this country is Adi Shankara " - SANDILYA CHENNAI

Is he the same figure as "Sankaracharya" as I had learned in my school days ?

In that case, I agree fully with you.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
19
The greatest soul ever born in this country is Adi Shankara. To attribute any negative characteristics to him through misguided interpretation is not only foolishness but perfidy. Only those who are intellectually bankrupt can see him anything other than known good of him.

That great man was the first national integrator and secular. He wrote on Vishnu though he was a saivite.
He hailed from Kerala but he established Peethas in four corners of our motherland away from Kerala.
He, who already had the status of acharya, prostrated at the feet of Chandal when Shankara was convinced of his superior spiritual knowledge.

The legend goes that the perennial raining of riches in Tirumala temple owe much to Shankara's consecration of Laxmi yantram.
The treatises he wrote and the spartan life he lead with such wisdom are examples for others to emulate than imagine and attribute negatives to such great son of india.

I went all the way to Kaladi just to see the village shankara hailed from.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
18
G:>>"adisankara the father of reservation policy"

someone seeing aadi Sankara as the pre-christian version of vp singh in india is rather strange!.
perhaps, it is being assumed that Adi Sankara has prescribed that only Bs should be made shankaraacharyas in the five PeeTas and twelve lineages of sanyasis established by him! it is not true. any one of any caste or creed can take sanyas, then the caste and creed and even the pre-sanyas family are to be ignored completely.
many aacharya-sanyasis over the two millennia could have been NBs in poorvaaSrama. eveb in recent times, many NBs have been high-spiritualty devouts of the poorvasachaarya of kanchi, like kannadaasan the poet in tamil. there are many Siva and Sakthi peeTas presided over by NB sanyasis also.

the fact that most sankaraacharyas are of B-descent in these days is incidental, since periarites are dominating hindu society equating hinduism with B-topped casteism, while running their own obc-topped party-politics. Basically, sanyasis, like ladies also, are above 'castes' in hinduism. kaashTa-bhedo streeshu na syaat, tatha samnyaasinaam api!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
17
G to Iqb:>>"brahmins irrespective of being a bengali/tamilian/keralite/up ite feel so much for sanskrit which shows their caste unity"

the unity and longivity of aarya-varta sapta-sindhu sanaatanist hinduism hass been mainly bec of the spiritual perceptions of vedas in sans by the rishi-folk whose minds were mostly entuned to the absolute cosmo-power in various names and forms, hence called braamhaNa, bramhaNi manah yasya iti. These were not all birth-based Bs, valmiki a hunter, vyasa the son of boat-man's dtr, viwamitra a king before becoming rishi and so on. No wonder that the B-types all over india and the world attach value to learning and using sans to be conversant vedas, upanishads, gita etc. devout hindus of all professions do value sans and made it a point to make pilgrimmages to kasi to gangotri to rameswaram and back to their favourite local deity-temples. sans was a useful communication medium for all such hindu-devouts travelling all over india of dozens of local languages. Adi Sankara from kerala won philo debate in kashmir and ascended the sarvagjna-peeTa there, before returning south to attain samadhi in kanchi. Of course, debates were only in sans, among hindu scholar. To call this calculated casteism of the Bs is only the perversion of a casteist anti-B, anti-H mind.

>>"and the role of adisankara the father of reservation policy who by absolute cross reservation has been able to establish brahmin unity and love for sanskrit"

Adi Sankara fell at the feet of a chandaala in kasi when the latter proved to have spiritual wisdom, saying wisdom transcends birth-castes. Calling him the father of reservations is really funny.
He offered himself for sacrifice at the request of a kaapalika worshipping kaala-bahairaya, the God of the three abrahamic relig. But nrsimha came outbof his disciple, killed all kaapaalikas and their cruel relig, perhapsc saving india from an inhouse abrahamic faith. We have our hands full with the imported ones, anyway!. .

the Bs are only united in their entunement to God and desire for spiritual wisdom. Socially, they are not united at all. When ten Bs meet eleven opinions will emerge to compete. Most of the upanishads are really reports on highly debative discussion 'sittings' of aarya-varta.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
16
GANAPATHI:

Thanks for your jumbled illiterate missive.

I couldn't make head or tail of it, but I guess you meant well.

As for Tamilians loving Keralites. Again, many thanks. In my experience Keralites utterly despise Tamilian loudmouths a la DMK. Many were very pleased when the LTTE was crushed.
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
15
PSR:>>”Now I have a question to you: which of the Indian languages do you consider to be closest to Sanskrit - Bengali, Hindi, Oriya, Gujrati, Maharahty, Tamil ... ?”

I am unqualified to make the assessment, really. Malayalam, telugu, kannad, most Indian langs with four-level consonants are more sans-based than Tamil with simpler alphabhets. But tamil very close to sans, and Hinduism, spiritually. Wrong to call it the anti-sans lang of raakshasics.
Many words in tamil have deep spiritual connotation, quite comparable to sans. Sans word eeSah becomes Jesus [Isus in germany] in chr. Hara = Siva becomes Allah in islam. But English word God, meaning goodness-power, become kadavul in tamil, clearly showing Him as the tanscender super-lord of the space-time-relativity domain, ‘kaDandu-uLLavan’. The word citta = cid-stha in tamil [in tune with abs] is a closer description of accomplished spirituals than the sans word siddha, [accomplished in siddhis, super-natural capabilities]. It is mainly the missionary mischief which has driven the Aryan-dravidian divide betw sans and tamil, making it appear as B vs NB also.

Ganapathi’s objection to sans as deva-bhaashaa is unjustified. Sans seems to be convenient interpreter of the divines in all relig of the world, with spiritual integration also, as already indicated. Ahura-mazda = aahuta-samasta; yahvey = yoga-vedya; zeus = Siva [z=ts, in eastern Europe]; confiious = sampoojyah. Taoism = sthaayee-ism, sthaayee= thai in tamil= mother nature cosmo-mom, the dynamizer-stabilizer of the cosmos.

I am an elec-engineer-cybernetist, basically, not an etimologist; used sans in teaching, mainly to utilize its brevity and power, rising above all languages as an inner-integrator for all, besides integrating science, sociology and spirituality. The whole field-domain of many subjects can be explained briefly in one poem in sans, as the following on ‘robotics’.

rocaneeya-bhaTo yantrah
[most desirable form of worker-machine]
robhaTah Soka-varjitah
[the robot, being remorse-free]
nir-aahaaree nir-viSraamee
[non-seeker of food or rest, relaxcation]
buddhimaan, dhrishTimaan, calee
[with artif-intellig, vision, and motion, also]
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
14
PSR:>>” Hochdeutsch, which is German by proper definition, is rarely spoken in Germany, Switzerland and Austria excepting for a tiny pocket confined in Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen) around Goettingen. But all "German" writers, poets, philosophers ... write in Hochdeutsch! But can anyone claim then that the German language is dead ?”

Good question. In fact the high quality of sophisticated languages are maintained only when the scholar’s version is separated from common slangs, like queen’s English not quite the street-slang. Sanskrit with the most comprehensive grammar was used by seers, royals, poets, but praakrit was sufficient for common-folk. Similarly, valluvar, auvaiyaar, kambar, alwaars and nayanmaars did not write in stree-use tamil, varying in different cities, anyway.

>>”Statistics is very often a convenient tool used by crooks in this world (as well as in this forum) to make claims for driving their own agenda. But this is not to say that probability and statistics are scientifically wrong to pursue for establishing facts”.

You are right.

>>”Incidentally, I think a small pocket has survived in Bhatpara, not too far from Calcutta, where Bengali Brahmins live and they do speak Sanskrit all the time”.

So do some Brahmins in karnaTaka. Those who spend most time in high-literature-domain in discussions etc. tend to talk scholastically at homes and streets also. But mother-tongue is that of the region as whole among whom they live. As you say, they are only ‘bengalee Bs’ talking sans most of the time.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
13
dear keralite iqbal there is always envy amon g neighbours and kindly remember that the tamils loved MGR a keralite and his name still evokes worship in a lot of tamilians.the mother tongue of vaiko and vijaykanth is telugu and jayalalitha comes from a iyengar family from mysore.tamilnadu will have the least number of cases involving attack against people from other religion/language/state etc.rajnikanth the superstar is a marathi.the statues for ambedkar will be the highest in tamilnadu than any state.the number of people named after ambedkar,gandhi,nehru,indira,rajiv will be the highest in tamilnadu as a large number of tamilians prefer leaders names than the astrology based ones.we had a marwari mla from maduranthakam for yrs and the northindians in that constituency will be less than 0.1%.kindly visit paris/sowkarpet etc and the majority of business man will be northindians who are there for several decades. there are quiet a number of sikh families in tamilnadu who r in business and there were no vilence against them post indira assasination unlike other states.
my argument was that its the brahmins irrespective of being a bengali/tamilian/keralite/up ite feel so much for sanskrit which shows their caste unity and the role of adisankara the father of reservation policy who by absolute cross reservation has been able to establish brahmin unity and love for sanskrit.kindly see the names mentioned in the article and if u take a survey of the 30000 enrolled for sanskrit it will be 29000 brahmins and a few hundred
rajputs and some foreigners.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
12

"... This mindless hostility to something great in India's heritage is truly stupid." - IQBAL Z

Absolutely !!!
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
11
Should Muslims then have nothing to do with Iqbal's poems which are highly persianised?
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
10
All complex, literary languages are elite languages. The masses only assmiliate them, if at all, by schooling.

So dismissing Sanskrit as "Brahmin" (though plenty of non-Brahmins used it) is as silly as saying the British should not use literary English but stick to local popular dialects.

This mindless hostility to something great in India's heritage is truly stupid.
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
9
G:>>”the anger against sanskrit is mainly because it was a caste language and represnts brahminism.”

Only in the imagination of those who regret not being born Brahmins, like MK always deploring the absence of sacred thread on his shoulder. Have heard some NBs even use the term sans itself for ‘bad-language’. This is a kind of inverted brahminism, really. But, the truth is that some of the most competent professors of Sanskrit in the madras university have been non-brahmins.

The sacred thread plays no role in enhancing godliness or devotions. NB saints and scholars abound in all regions of the country. It can help as antenna [antar-gjnaana-yantra] only for perceptions to be induced by sun-radiation when mentating on the gaayatri mantra addressed to the sun. Have experienced it. There is no bar on so-called NBs taking the thread-initiation and using gayatri also. Thread not essential for other mantras, anyway.

Even among born Bs, only those serious on japa, pooja take and keep the thread seriously. Others take it as ritual before marriage, even throw it off later. If sincerely given by a japa-practitioner, non-practice of the japa could derive displeasure and curse of viswaamitra. Such kids suddenly loose good performance in studies.If Bs give the thread to kids to celebrate it as a function only, could do it only as ritual, but not give the matra really. Say raama-raama instead and be safe from any counter-effects.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
8
>>I am a Keralite, and I can tell you on the basis of a lifetime of experience....

What's the lifetime experience of a cockroach worth these days? ;)
Augustus AAA
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
7
GANAPATHI:

I am a Keralite, and I can tell you on the basis of a lifetime of experience that the Tamil lodmouth chauvinists are UTTERLY despised by Keralites. They are regarded as the black scum of the earth.
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM
6
PEDDA ANNA:

I am puzzled as to why you see to be full of anger against Sanskrit?

It arouses great interest among scholars as a great Indo-European language, rich in literature and philosophy.

So what is your gripe?
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Jun 29, 2009 12:00 AM
5
dear shandilya this was my post on the racist issue in the last week outlook. i have never said that dalits are men of gold and brahmins r viceversa.we all r crooks but try to behave in a way which helps for peaceful coexistence.there r negative things against adisankara/jesus/prophet mohammed/karl marx etc and is there anything wrong in presenting them.
Daily Letters | 23 Jun, 2009 04:18:41PM (IST)
the racist drama being played now by the media is hypocrisy at its best.human being by nature is selfish/cruel/possesiveand racist wherever he is born.its with education/to show one superor to others he behaves to be idealistic and compasionate,preaching equality etc.can u ask a indl why is he selfish.its the same with racism and i am amazed at the hypocrisy of blaming australians. u cannot get a house on rent/matrimonial proposal in this country without the caste basis unlike australia. its easier to marry an australian than an indian from a different caste/religion.the police illtreats a petty thief if he is a dalit and will blame reservation if he a upper caste.its not that the dalits are above racism. i have personally seen a group of gypsies being beaten black and blue for the rumour of selling crow as turkey and the entire dalit village had their hands on them.when selfishness is brandished and praised as its being done in capitalism there is bound to be more racism and other basic qualities of possesiveness and cruelty.when idealism is considered a unfit item for the 21st century expect more of racist attacks.

GANAPATHI
CHENNAI INDIA
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 29, 2009 12:00 AM
4
dear sandip
tamil has a totally different script from sanskrit and there is no proof that sanskrit is older than tamil.these r the real facts.
if u find the number of people who r blindly in worship of sanskrit and denigrating other languages they r mostly brahmins. the sankaracharya of kanchi derided the movement to have tamil as the language of worship and his followers threaten with earthquakes/tsunamis if temples are inagurated/renovated with tamil slokas(there was an article in dinamani by a brahmin guru who threatened on how harmful it will be to conduct kumbabisekham in tamil).i will be very happy if the people who love sanskrit dont hate others is true but unfortunately it is not.
in my job/marriage /friendship i have crossed the barriers of region/religion/language.i have donated blood 18 times and most are at railway hospital which was closer to my college as the north indians over there find it difficult to get blood and used to first land up in my college for the surgeries of their relatives. i am ashamed to type about myself but the anger and hatred shown against me surprises a lot as i have just put forth my point of view and questions.
ganapathi
chennai, India
Jun 29, 2009 12:00 AM
3
Finally, I hold the view that Sanskrit should have been selected as the national language of India instead of Hindi.
PINAKI S RAY

Ray I agree with you .

Sanskrit is the mother language of all Indian languages except perhaps Tamil. Just as Bengali has many Sanskrit words so are kannada or telugu or oriya etc. At literary/ poetry level they all converge such that they become intelligible even to the non speaker with keen ear.

Making Hindi as the national language is a wrong move by emotion driven Dr RP. I hate imposition of Hindi on non Hindi people though I am fluent in Hindi.

This policy gives undue advantage to one group( read gangetic belt) and makes them hegemonic.

If Annadurai resorted to anti Hindi agitation it is for this reason. Unlike the case of English there is nothing extra that Hindi can teach Tamil or Telugu. The latter are more evolved than Hindi linguistically, socially and culturally. Hindi belt is not known even for good administration or technical superiority. So why should Hindi be above these languages?

Sanskrit being a classical language would have been like Hebrew is for Israelites- the advantage or disadvantage is equal for all unlike folks. Whereas now the Ganges belt guy speaks only his language and all others especially those from south are expected to know three languages. Gross injustice in a democracy. I protest.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jun 29, 2009 12:00 AM
2
>> the anger against sanskrit is mainly because it was a caste language and represnts brahminism.
GANAPATHI

The rude behaviour of many dalits and prejudiced people like you makes me feel that Brahminism is benign than your avowed brand of dalitism which preaches outright hatred, justifies violence and discrimination based on caste.
In fact your conduct is also a kinda brahminism but in extreme. Your gurus Ram vilas paswan and mayawati can put many brahmins to shame in their brahminical conduct. Its all a question of opportunity and time.
Think of some new order where everybody has a say and is equal. Demand for privileges based on incidence of birth is shameful either for brahmins or dalits.Dalits are the neobrahmins thats all.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Jun 29, 2009 12:00 AM
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"is the script of hochdeutch and german different ... what is the script taught in german schools.sanskrit is a separate language with distinct scripts. english has 1 million words from other languages and it doesnt mean it is derived from them. the anger against sanskrit is mainly because it was a caste language and represnts brahminism." - GANAPATHI

Hochdeutsch means High German. It is almost exclusively the written German language. As such its role has been akin to Sanskrit in ancient India.

Hochdeutsch derives from "Alte Germanistik" which was written in Gothic script. But modern Hoch deutsch is written in Latin script. I guess the evolution of the typewriter brought about this change. Of course, post 1980 it can be easily composed in the Gothic alphabets by the TeX system (mentioned in my previous post) implemented on a computer.

Gothic script as printed in old German books is readable with some effort to anyone familiar with the Latin script. But handwritten Gothic script needs a trained eye to decipher.

I guess the situation is somewhat similar to Sanskrit again. Sanskrit is written in Devnagiri script and the Bengali script is very similar to Devnagiri.

It is absurd to conclude that Sanskrit is a caste language and represents Brahminism. No one can have a good command on Bengali without having solid foundation in Sanskrit - I believe Bengali is direct descendant of Sanskrit. And non-Brahmin Bengalis have contributed greatly to Bengali literature as the Brahmin Bengalis - there is no caste bar here.

Finally, I hold the view that Sanskrit should have been selected as the national language of India instead of Hindi.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
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