I am a fan but I am disappointed Mr Mehta with your lack of objectivity. See my detailed response


http://eone.vox.com/lib...-i-am-disappointed.html

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> Anwar rightly said that I am depressed.

Paranoid psychotic, not just depressed.

khushi ram jee

just dont bother-

dont expect that india will ever get to be a decent well run country.

all odds are against it.

i suggest that you will continue to have a good family life, meet nice people , and have a contented and happy life.

take to gardening- its a great hobby.

i am now doing what i have suggested to you.
just dont bother about the two maulvis who upset you. its not worth it.

Baggai sahib

Anwar rightly said that I am depressed .All decent human beings will be depressed after seeing what is happening in our neighbourhood where our owns live.

Pakistanies were enjoying the death and destructions done in India by the Islamic Terror outfits carried out with the highy professional support given by the extremely competent and well trained Locals in the Pak camps .

26/11 was the latest butwill not be the last one .

We the cultured people of India feel very very sorry and dejected as to how our own Muslims who decided to seperate and build a Purest Muslim Nation has reached such a sad pass.I am really sad.

And Indians must remember that whatever betrayal of the Nation is being done in Pakistan the same is much more easier to achieve in a Democratic Country.For us there is nothing but sadness and dejection and looimg dark days ahead for the people of the Sub Continent due to the Whabi Islam being spread in our neighbourhood .In India too we have a very large numberes--

"Suicide car blast in Lahore kills 23
Wednesday, 27 May, 2009 | 10:45 AM PST |

LAHORE: Gunmen detonated a car bomb near police and intelligence agency offices on Lahore’s Mall road Wednesday, killing 23 people and wounding more than 100, officials said.

At least four men with rifles stepped from the car and opened fire on the intelligence agency building, then set off a massive blast when security guards returned fire, officials said.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik suggested the attack could be retaliation for the government's military offensive to rout Taliban militants from the northwestern Swat Valley.
Wednesday's attack was the third major strike in Lahore in recent months.

No one immediately claimed responsibility for the latest bombing. Police said one suspect was detained.

Raja Riaz, a senior minister in the Punjab provincial government, told reporters that about 30 people died. Fayyaz Ranjha, a senior health official, told Pakistan Television that at least 116 people were wounded. Police put the number of injured at 250.

The explosion sheared the walls off buildings in a main business district. TV footage showed bleeding bystanders and emergency workers carrying the injured toward ambulances.

‘The moment the blast happened, everything went dark in front of my eyes,’ witness Muhammad Ali said. ‘The way the blast happened, then gunfire, it looked as if there was a battle going on.’

Sajjad Bhutta, a senior government official in Lahore, told reporters that a car carrying several gunmen pulled up in a street between offices of the emergency police and the Inter-Service Intelligence.

‘As some people came out from that vehicle and starting firing at the ISI office, the guards from inside that building returned fire,’ he said. As the firing continued, the car suddenly exploded, he said.

The ISI and police buildings were both badly damaged. An AP reporter saw dozens of troops entering the ISI building to supervise the rescue work, while gunshots were heard from inside the building even one hour after the blast.

Television footage showed officers dragging a black-shirted man from the scene.

Malik blamed the attack on militants that government forces are fighting in the Swat Valley and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas near Afghanistan." Dawn Newspaper Pakistan .

And Maulvi ji and Mulla Kumar are saying Hindus are not compatiable with the Democracy this inspite after availing their First Take benifits under Democacy.

India is not only victim of ruthless Terror but also the ruthless anti National propoganda being carried out here.Media has itsel fallen victim too brainwashing by the Jehadies.

"Carrying on a war of hatred against the religion of 150 million Indians, a religion about which you know nothing"

maulvi ji

No hatred.Only frustation for betrayal of the country that Indian Mujahidins our killers are innocents,Batala House Encounter fake,Sabrudin who wa shaving hindereds of assault rifles plus 20 trunks bullets,hundereds of gernades ,hundereds kg RDX was innocent and killed in a fake encounteres you people say.

And the classical example of unfaithfullness to salt is you people have the courage and support of the Congress to say Hindus have hands in 26/11 even when muslims were mercilessly killed too to Pakies but still you want enquiry .KUMAR too asked what is the harm if enquiry is done ?

And what about your Sahi Imam who threatned if Pak trained indian muslims' killers are liquidated .

Sir we are really astonished that still there is enough love for the Ummah and Puristan exists .

"What are you talking about.

GHULAM FARUKI "

Back ? Real one ?

Stopperbhai,

>> agree that Banito is a hate pracharak still he is better than you.

Does he need a moron like you to defend him?

>> how the OUTLOOK dumped you earlier as Ghulam Faruki.

What are you talking about.

faruki

i dont need you to worry about my happiness.

Banito/Lalit,

>> thats why you always in this forum.

The Indian Muslim forums that I regularly participate in are surprisingly liberal and progressive, although some authors and some posters are traditionalists. I am of course pleased to see this trend in Indian Muslims. Such websites exist also in Egypt and England.

>> we should stay apart.

You have of course every right to leave this secular forum and go to a Hindutva forum. I have in the past also suggested that you move to the North Pole. You will be much happier there.

faruki

you are a controversial character-but its no
business of mine.

you will be judged by americans and whatever.

Banito/Lalit,

>> you will live and die as a muslim fanatic.

Your calling me a Muslim fanatic shows the degree to which you would lie in order to keep your hate prachar going! You are just a cartoon character, not to be taken seriously by anyone. You are Colonel Blimp come alive! Your views are the views of a racist, communalist and neo-nazi nut. All that you can produce in this forum is stink.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> Already started listening Osama Tapes.

While I should not be rough with someone mentally disturbed, your hate war against Muslims, your falsely presenting yourself as a 'Christian' and your addressing me as a Maulvi, are sufficient evidence of your habitual lying, your evil nature and your mala fides.

Ghai,

>> Ambedkar could not visualise nor possible for him to visualise the arrival of Talibans,Lashkars,Islamic terrorism ,Kashmiries' disenchtment,rise of hindu ULFA, Abhinavies etc.

His caution against establishment of non-secular systems is sufficinet evidence of his sagacity.

>> Hindu voters India may opt for a Hindu or Hindutavi state. Why shouldn't they be?

Remember what Ambedkar said.

AK Ghai,

>> It will be a great blunder if we take granted that Hindus will remain secular for times to come.

So, are you saying that Hinduism is not good enough to keep the adherents as law abiding decent people who respect the rights/justice of all? That is an insult on Hinduism or any religion on which such a statement can be made. That you are not even understanding your insulting statement shows the deterioration caused by Hindutva’s callous abuse of religion and religious figures.

faruki

the two sides in this forum have only dislike and disgust for each other.

none of us hindus go to muslim sites, because
we know the type of people who write there.

is that also your reason. thats why you always in this forum-

knowing your mindset it just confirms my views
that we should stay apart. many westerners share
my views. i suppose you feel insulted,and unwanted- just too bad.

faruki

you are beyond help.

you will live and die as a muslim fanatic, and all you will get in heaven are some horrid foul smelling whores in heaven.

now bugger off. you are a pestilence in this forum.

"I see that you are distressed. You should get professional help."

Maulvi ji

Already started listening Osama Tapes .

85 % voters in India are Hindus .Secularism will remain in India till the Hindus remain Secular .It will be a great blunder if we take granted that Hindus will remain secular for times to come.

The so called Seculars should anaylise their Karmas whether those are helping Hindus to remain Seculars or otherwise ?

"It is true that Ambedkar spoke decades before Ayodhya, Gujarat, Orissa and Mangalore. We must admire his foresight."

Faruki

Ambedkar could not visualise nor possible for him to visualise the arrival of Talibans,Lashkars,Islamic terrorism ,Kashmiries' disenchtment,rise of hindu ULFA, Abhinavies etc.

Those were innocent times and people were straight forward ones.Then Muslims were trusted and respected World over and specially in India despite Partition and accompanied blood spillings. Things have totally changed now.

Muslims are not trusted any more World over.To say otherwise is not truth.No insult intended for Muslim brothers.

Ambedkar and Dalits were being persecuted by the high cast Hindus . Hence Ambedkar did not had high opinion for them .Ambedkar could not pull on with the Congres Leadership and vice versa.

I had a very rough analysis presented here recently indicating that more Hindus Voted for the BJP than Congress.With 85 % Hindu voters India may opt for a Hindu or Hindutavi state.

Why shouldn't they be ? Any suggestions or clues ? Blaming Hindutavies or BJP will perhaps may not complete the picture.The role of seculars,Muslisms and Media do not inspire much confidence.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> Neither ignorant nor hatefull but we are the victims of treachery of our Leaders in 1947.

I see that you are distressed. You should get professional help.

"Your ignorance is immense, but no where as immense as your hatefulness."

Maulvi ji

Neither ignorant nor hatefull but we are the victims of treachery of our Leaders in 1947.

'No matter what the Hindus say, Hinduism is a menace to the liberty, equality and fraternity. On that account it is incompatible with democracy. Hindu Raj must be prevented at any cost.”

Local ISI cells are preventing Hindu Raj by bringing upon us 26/11,Delhi Blasts,Ajmer blasts,Ahemedabad blasts and thousands other such clamities upon us the unfortunate Indians whose leaders betrayed them in 1947.And you are intelligent enough to pass on the blame on Hindus and crookedly using words Hindutavies.

Goodluck to you and your killer tools .

Banito/Lalit,

>> it does not matter if they are not known by your community.

If you think I was talking about my community, you must really be a dumbo.

>> they are well respected.

By morons and by enemies of Isalm only.

>> figures such as samuel huntington, sir v.s. naipaul, robert spencer, bernard lewis matter to you.

All religions have critics. The fact that you bring up these names for the 50th time shows how empty-headed you are.

>> just ignore my comments in future.

Your hate-mantras cannot be called 'comments'. Don't fool yourself.

faruki

since you do not wish to debate anything about islam with me, just ignore my comments in future.

by and large the divisions between hindu india
and the seculars is nearly unbridgeable. we have only dislike and contempt for each other.

we use arguments , distorted, out of context to attack each other. its civil war, but not dangerous in any serious manner.

on the whole its petty,and a waste of time, of
which it would seem we have a lot of.

faruki

so you will ask muslims to heed the complaints of dr sultan, ayan hirsa ali and perhaps also those of tasleema nasreen.

jolly good eh carruthers.

faruki

it does not matter if they are not known by your
community- for obvious reasons.

they are well respected, and they have good arguments against islam and muslims. their credibility does not depend on their being
in the lime light at all times.

i suppose none of the important figures such as
samuel huntington, sir v.s. naipaul, robert spencer, bernard lewis matter to you.

you get your views from the milli gazette.

why do you get so upset about my views about islam and muslims. they are not in any way out of the ordinary. millions of americans have similar views.

Banito/Lalit,

>> i had expressed the views of dr wafa sultan, and ayan hirsi ali, both well respected in civilised western circles.

I know their views and, if you were not such an imbecile, you would have known that I have several times said that their complaints should be heeded. By the way, you are the only hatemonger who keeps bringing up their names. Hardly anyone knows them here, and I never see their names on television or in newspapers. And for you to think that I would discuss their criticisms of Islam with a moron like you in Outlook's forum just shows what an idiot you are.

CORRECTED POST.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> Ambedkar never used hindu rashtra.

Read his quote carefully. Does he talk of Hinduism as a religion (e.g. Rama, Krishna, reincarnation, mandirs etc) or is he talking of Hindu Raj or Rashtra (democracy, liberty, equality and fraternity). Here is his quote again:

"If Hindu Raj does become a fact, it will, no doubt, be the greatest calamity for this country. No matter what the Hindus say, Hinduism is a menace to the liberty, equality and fraternity. On that account it is incompatible with democracy. Hindu Raj must be prevented at any cost.”

faruki

i had expressed the views of dr wafa sultan, and
ayan hirsi ali, both well respected in civilised western circles.

not being a part of this world, you have obviously no sympathy for their views.

you are a total misfit in usa.

faruki

india is today ruled by hindus- and they have not imposed hindu raj any where.

if india had a muslim majority they would have had a muslim raj, sharia in no time.

ambedkar looked with suspicion on hindus,
based on his experience and perception at that
time. i am certain he would have been pleased at later developments where hindus in the congress, bjd, nitish,s party ,and bjp have built a fairly
fair ,and liberal society.

on the other hand the muslims in kashmir, sikhs
in punjab are the ones who are most driven by religion.

that is why i am so biased against these minorities. minorities in india are the least
secular, and most illiberal.

in view of their mentality and mindset, we hindus
have an equal right to look after our own interests-

if the bjp moves into a trajectory of economic
development, social progress-especially of women and girls- then it will again achieve a prominent
position in quite a few states.

time will tell.

Banito/Lalit,

>> you have evaded all the issues i raised.

What you call 'issues' are your oft repeated and oft answered outpourings of hateful, inane and irrelevant mantras. I do not consider you to be a serious poster or debater. You are just an extreme right-wing, shallow, empty-headed blabbermouth.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> Liberals like VC Jamia,hundereds bogus NGOes who sang Mersias in Outlook when the Batala House Encounter happened,like the Rail Yatra Maulanas of azamgarh,like Peerzadas,like SIMI.

Your ignorance is immense, but no where as immense as your hatefulness.

>> Ambedkar never used hindu rashtra.

Read his quote carefully. Does he talk of Hinduism as a religion (e.g. Rama, Krishna, reincarnation, mandirs etc) or is he talking of Hindu Raj or Rashtra (democracy, liberty, equality and fraternity). Here is his quote again:

"If Hindu Raj does become a fact, it will, no doubt, be the greatest calamity for this country. No matter what the Hindus say, Hinduism is a menace to the . On that account it is incompatible with democracy. Hindu Raj must be prevented at any cost.”

Banito,

>> if all of us in this forum met for a party given by outlookindia, i can imagine that we would fairly fast split into various groups
>> if we get enough to drink., i can expect some throwing of chairs and glasses at each other

Instead, if we all sit together and debate, respecting the right of opinion of others, all of us will be enriched (assuming that all of us are normal law-abiding citizens) and there will not be any throwing of chairs etc even after enough of drinks.

kumar

if all of us in this forum met for a party given
by outlookindia, i can imagine that we would
fairly fast split into various groups.

group one- bongos and muslims

group two- kumar, augustus, ganpathi

group three- antimuslim,anti bongos, anti missionaries.

it will prove that we are not a homogeneous group with common goals, common interests.

if we get enough to drink., i can expect some
throwing of chairs and glasses at each other.

for the sake of peace, we should stick to our own groups. at lease i will.

Khushi Ram,

>> this is the War of Cultures ...

Where there is a conflict, there is a choice before you - do you want to enhance/hasten the conflict or be a peace maker. You do not have to be peace lover at the expense of rights/justice of people (which would be cowardice). But within the parameters of protecting/respecting the rights/justice of all people, you can be a peace maker.

faruki

you have evaded all the issues i raised,and your
response is just hate and abuse.

the points i raised are an echo of the views
of dr sultan in a interview. the views are
similar to those of ayan hirsi ali.

these are reform minded people, who are hated by
muslims, even the liberal ones.

salman rushdie once said. where are the moderate muslims. i can not see or hear them.

where are they indeed.

in denmark also nasser khader a liberal , is hated by the broad muslim community. he requires
police protection . how can any muslim be liberal
in such an environment.

by the way despite dislike for the broad muslim community, i am able to see the bright sections
amongst them. they are in films, cricket, and
paintings.however it is a tiny section, and over shadowed by the rest-

you have not won accolades in this forum.we have
how ever given you the honorific title of the mullah- i suggest that we all chip in and present you with a tassled,embroidered skull cap
as well. i propose that dr s should look into this.

"Have you thought of supporting liberal Muslims who favor reforms, education, democracy, secularism, tolerance and women's rights? "

Liberals like VC Jamia,hundereds bogus NGOes who sang Mersias in Outlook when the Batala House Encounter happened,like the Rail Yatra Maulanas of azamgarh,like Peerzadas,like SIMI ,like Deendars,like Madanies,like Banglore Doctor brothers,like Sahi Imam who threatned blood and partition like 1947,like Muslims like Anwar who support theories that Hindus are anti- Democray,like Ministers Antuli and Ahmed the propounders of PLUS PLUS Theory,like 1200 ISI under ground sheterers etc etc. You were given Pakistan where you are carrying on nicely .Why stick around in an non democratic Hindu Majority society ?

Maulvi ji this is the War of Cultures .Indians are mercilessly beng annihilated because our Govt is so weak that it could not hang one Afzal for all these years .Afzal the First takewala wanted to destroy the Lok Sabha and kill political Leaders of India.Afzal killed dozens of Security personnels but poor man is not getting the return Gift Bullet.

Maulvi ji you too have been pleading that Afzal did not get fair trial and were pleading for commuting hanging into Life imprisonment.Love for a fellow believer is above Nation ??

Off course you will call me a lieras usual.Time to call aware mian!

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> And you have been quoting Ambedkar declaring that hindus are incompatible with Democracy.So hindus can't be Secular being democrat.

I don't follow your logic. See my reply to Dip,

"Idiot, Ambedkar is against Hindu Rashtra and Islamic Rashtra. He is for secularism."

And you have been quoting Ambedkar declaring that hindus are incompatible with Democracy.So hindus can't be Secular being democrat.

No where the word Hindutives was used in the statement you quoted .It was Hindus .Pray one quotes some body if he supports contents of the quotes .Hence you too support Ambedkar that Hindusism and democracy don't go together.

You are a Hindu hater maulvi in your heart ,thoughts and belifs under the makhota of a Secular !

Banito/Lalit,

>> muslims should stop asking other communities to build societies which they then proceed to disrupt as in australia.

Muslims never asked the Australians to build any society. Apart from the hate in your comment, the simple fact is that Australians control their own immigration policies, and they can mangae their own affairs without your help.

>> i will support liberal, secular,reform minded
muslims. where are they?.

You will never find them. You will also never see their achievements. Your eye glasses filter out anything good Muslims do.

>> performance of the broad muslim community is abmyssal.

This is typical of the ignorant and highly prejudiced comments that you make. Your posts are just pure poison. Only a hate-driven moron would make such statements.

>> do you believe that muslims in pakistan and india are progressive, tolerant and stand for
equality of women and men.

How come you are the only dope who asks such stupid questions? Especially since you yourself are so extremely intolerant and far from progressive.

faruki

do you object to kashmiri muslims wanting a separate state outside india. i dont.

do you condemn muslims for makeing pakistan.i dont.

muslims should stop asking other communities to build societies which they then proceed to disrupt as in australia.

i will support liberal, secular,reform minded
muslims. where are they?. and what have they done so far ,anywhere in india or the world.

all you do is postureing- you attack the sanghies, zionists, bush and so you get attacked in return.

the situation is that the performance of the broad muslim community is abmyssal. in stead of telling you sweet lies, you should be made to face the truth

its amazeing that you contest the truth even after being told this 50 times.

just look around and observe muslims in india.
they have not one leader of national importance.
just one entrepeneur mr premjee, and he is not
a muslim of the regular kind.

its the rule in life.

performance is rewarded.

failure is punished.

pull up your socks. free your girls and women
from shuttlecock burqas. get rid of your beards and skull caps- get educated and perform in all
sectors of society. stop moaning and whineing.
it will not get you any where.

no community owes any other community a single red cent. and this applies specially between hindus and muslims. there is a lot of bad blood
between us.

face the truth.

Banito/Lalit,

All that your long post does is repeat for the 50th time your half-baked and evil ideas. Your intolerance for diversity continues. You use weaknesses of other communities to generate hate and divisiveness, as if your community is free from any faults. You have consistently turned a blind eye to the achievements of those whom you want to run into the ground. You have never indicated where you want your hate war to go. Do you really think you are going to produce mass dislocations of huge populations to create your apartheid society? Do you think you will somehow get rid of 150 million Muslims in India? Even Hitler could get rid of only 6 million Jews. Do you think Muslims are just going to leave in order to help you bring about your ethnically pure community? Have you thought of supporting liberal Muslims who favor reforms, education, democracy, secularism, tolerance and women's rights? Do you know anything at all besides harping on how bad the Muslims are? How long are you going to keep on harping? Does promoting communal harmony not mean anything to you at all?

faruki

i am honest in this forum, which i would not dare to be ,if i was adressing a real life audience.

i speak against bongos, because many of them are down right lazy, physically and intellectually.
their haveing selected the ant national commies
is alsp a black mark against them. its time people spoke up and crititicised the state of affairs in bongoland- they should be ashamed of
it ,and just shut up and stop their attacks on the saffron parties, who are their exact opposites. these parties are nationalist and are
working for the economic development of india, and trying to make it a power which matters.

regarding sikhs, i know quite a bit about them and have had many relations. there is no doubt in my mind they are very parochial and dogmatic. this is known by us north indians. in
punjab minorities will always play second fiddle .

most people in delhi are also fed with train loads of people comeing from bihar and uttar pradesh.the same goes in mahrashtra.

its time people gave all the ethnic groups free space, and not impose burdens of outsiders whom
they do not want and can not cope with.

regarding kashmir, what is the point in pretense.
the muslims there hate india, and we saw this clearly in the amar nath land controversey.
its silly to waste so much effort in forceing them to stay in india.

i know that large populations can not be moved.
however adjustments can be made- in kerals for example there is a muslim majority area, which could get greater autonomy. same again in many
parts of india.

the efforts should be to make societies more harmonious,peaceful and progressive. forceing
disparate groups to live togather with lots of
ensueing problems is no achievment.this is being
done by the peddlers of secularism, with ulterior motives.

pakistan the ideal muslim state has broken up once after separation of bangladesh. the process
will go on,with the various communities fighting
each other.

furthermore can you approve of the enormous ghettoes of muslim immigrants all over europe. what good has it done to the host countries.they have been saddled with social, economic and political problems, and many of these ghettoes are simply eyesores in european liberal societies.

remember no one has a duty to support people
who are so different in looks, dress, food habits, and most important in culture.

you muslims can not build good societies with other muslims. you treat girls and women attrocially. this last is percieved as barbaric and disgusting and is the biggest black mark against muslims.

if you do not have the good sense to see this, then you are worse then any nazi. at the very
least the nazis did not treat their women as badly as you do,

i am not speaking of the educated and cultured muslims. the reason being that they are just a tiny minority of your community.and even these are silent , and do not work for better societies. i suppose they are scared. lots of
fanatics will threaten or even kill them.

Banito/Lalit,

>> if being opposed to muslim immigration is being a fascist.

You have done a lot worse than that. You have advocated massive population transfers to bring about homogenous societies of your sick dreams, you have advocated further partitions of the country, you have said Kashmir should be allowed to secede, you have used extremely repugnant language to spurn Islam and Muslims reminiscent of the language used by Hitler for the Jews, you have expressed your disrespect fot Bengalis, Sikhs and UP-ites, you have spoken admiringly of extreme right wing racist politicians such as Wilders and Pia Kjærsgaard, and you have deliberately lied about me calling me a dogmatic Muslim and a Pakistani. So when you call yourself a 'liberal', I can only laugh.

>> its time muslims states practiced tolerance,
and kindness.

I have been saying that myself, but coming from you it somehow sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

However since your posts today show a moderate tone, I shall not consider you to be a lost cause.

khushi ram

many apologies.

the last should have been adressed to the resident mailvi.

khushi ram

let us forget ambedkar. he did not experience nine elleven, and massacres like in darfur and in bangladesh.

before blameing nonmuslims, let muslim states set an example to others.that is what de wafa sultan said in one of her interviews.

its time muslims states practiced tolerance,
and kindness and gave asylum and help to others,
starting with muslims and then nonmuslims.

dont ask others to be nice and generous when you are the exact opposite.

start with muslim girls and women. start a campaign against women and girls to wear shuttle cap burqas. abolish the triple talaq, which makes
life for women so insecure. allow them to go out
of the house, get an education and jobs.

enlighten your societies which are enveloped in
medieval darkness.

and just shut up before you have done some of these things.

if there is a nazi(wrt own women) it is you.
you are one who supports islam which is as opressive towards its own women and minorities
as hitler was against jews ,gypies etc.

it is simply preposterous that you speak for liberal causes outside your own community, when
there is a desparate need for the same in your own community, and perhaps even nearer home.

i speak up for muslims in trouble, but not for hypocrites like you. tasleema nasreen, saniya mirza, and others like them will get a warm welcome in our house- provided they help a bit in the garden.

faruki

if being opposed to muslim immigration is being a
fascist the i am one,

i believe firmly that plural societies have problems in functioning. in india we have had problems in mahrashtra associated with bihari
immigrants, and same in assam.

most hill states dont allow nonstate people to buy property-and kashmir valley is the worst example.

muslim states are the worst in this respect.
we have an example of how pakistani troops treated bangladesh. saudi arabs treat pakistani,s
and all other immigrants very badly.the labouring
kinds are treated with disdain.

i will change my mind when you get muslim states to treat nonstate people decently.

no country has more of a duty to others, especially those who are quite different by race, culture then to its own citizens.

muslims as is well known are horrid to outsiders, but have great expectations from others.

for once muslim countries should set an example.
show humanity what you can do for others. dont keep on asking favours from others,and abuseing them if they refuse.

Banito/Lalit,

>> danes consider muslims immigrants to be a problem.

Many Muslim immigrants will find it very hard to adapt. But the fact remains that you are a racist, communalist, neo-nazi and a rabid hate peddler.

>> faruki knows well that i am a liberal.

You are an extreme right-wing fascistic nut.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> So Pakistanies are ni Muslims are compatible with Democracy ?

Idiot, Ambedkar is against Hindu Rashtra and Islamic Rashtra. He is for secularism.

"today most of the danes consider muslims immigrants to be a problem. and let say again it is muslim immigrants, and not tamils, chinese
or other europeans."

Baggai ji

Who knows better than Indians.There are 1200 ISI Logistic Cells in India whose performance the World has seen .Last was on 26/11 .The Kasab and co had been supplied maps of each and every location to b eattacked,road maps etc.

And they had the gall to say that Hindus were involved.Dy Home Minister Sakir Ahemed and Minority Minister Antuli were on fore front to degenrate Hindus .

And now we are reminded that Hindus and democrcy are not capitable.

faruki

is your real name anwar patel.

do you live in dallas.

the truth is that you live in around new york

your name is ghulam faruki.

you have done what you could to become ananymous.

scared.

iqbal z

faruki knows well that i am a liberal.

however anyone who is concerned about muslims comeing into a nonmuslim country is branded to be a nazi.

no one can take a lunatic like him to be serious.

i am all right in denmark.

most people in my golf club know me by name .
and they seem glad that i came.

faruki

i confess that i have always warned danes,that
muslim immigration will be harmful to their
society.people would not believe this was so.

today most of the danes consider muslims immigrants to be a problem. and let say again it is muslim immigrants, and not tamils, chinese
or other europeans.

as i have said earlier read the views in the main danish papers- its best for you to verify
views expressed by others and me.

"No matter what the Hindus say, Hinduism is a menace to the liberty, equality and fraternity. On that account it is incompatible with democracy"

Maulvi is quoting Ambedkar and gloating over that Hindus are incompatible with Democracy.So Pakistanies are ni Muslims are compatible with Democracy ? That is why Sardars asked to pay Jajia 3.2 Crores .Democracy for an Imam means like Pakistan democracy.

Now Maulvi ji will say oh that Ambedkar quoted not he . Do you agree what Ambedkar said Anwar ? No ? Then why quote the message ?

Mian ji You are an hate spreader anti-Hindu and pro Talibani Maulvi.

ANWAR PATE:

Be fair, Anwar. Banitadolfo/ Lalit is no neo-Nazi.

A Nazi does not believe in democracy. Lalit does. He believes in a liberal society line Denmark's in which men and women enjoy freedom to express themselves freely.

So do most Danes.

What they fear is the increasingly powerful presence of Muslims whoi do NOT believe in or practice liberal values.

To fear Muslim immigration which destroys freedom is not Nazi. It is commonsense.

Banito/Lalit,

>> i do not represent any danger to denmark.

Your racist, communal, neo-nazi views and your promoting hatred between coomunities on a regular long-term basis make you a very undesirable import. You would not be an asset to any country.

faruki

i do not represent any danger to denmark.

whats more i have contributed my bit to danish society-at least thats what my friends tell me.

in any case you have a rather tiresome way of
reacting. your retorts show you to be a buffoon.

you are a bore, uncouth, abusive and boorish.
imagine haveing people like you in any civilised country.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> I am not a barbarian to fight for ...

You are a coward who uses the anonymity of the internet to spread your message of hate.

>> Get into another country as illegal immigrants, draw on the welfare system....

It is not your problem. People from all over the Third World have been flocking into industrialized nations for a long time. Many Mexicans and Haitians are dying because of the perilous ways they take trying to get here. For a moron like you to use this phenomenon of our times for your depraved hate campaign is abhorrent. They may be a burden for the Europeans and Americans, but they are none of your concern.

24/05/09

"A routine news item,"

Get into another country as illegal immigrants, draw on the welfare system, create law and order problems, being crime porn etc appears a routine problem for the fanatics. Great!!!

24/05/09

"fight for what they believe,"

I am not a barbarian to fight for shariaa,womem enslavement, stoninbg to death, daeth for the apostates etc

Sagaciou/Thiagan,

>> Muslim migrants riot in Athens.

A routine news item, but for a hate peddler like you, everything is grist for the mill.

>> Up to a thousand foreign fighters, including Britons, have answered the call to jihad in Somalia.

They are bigots like you, except that they go and fight for what they believe, whereas a coward like you spreads hate while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

24/05/09

"Up to a thousand foreign fighters, including Britons, have answered the call to jihad in Somalia and are leading street-fighting Islamist extremists in the war-torn capital Mogadishu, The Times has learnt.

Early yesterday the Western-backed Government launched a counter-offensive after almost a fortnight of attacks by insurgents that have killed at least 200 civilians.

At least 45 people were killed yesterday in battles across the city, the highest daily death toll for months.

The insurgents’ attacks have threatened to topple the shaky Government of Sheikh Sharif Ahmed only weeks after the international community pledged £135 million to support him.

Senior security officials in the region say that the foreign fighters are behind the recent success of the extremists. More than 290 fighters from Britain, the US, Canada, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia entered Mogadishu in the past two weeks.

An intelligence report seen by The Times, which is due to be presented to the US Congress next week, states: “An estimated ten foreigners have taken the lead to command both Somali and foreign fighters in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia.”
“I have no doubt that some of the foreign fighters are British as well.........."

AP and his friends can go there and help to establish the caliphate and shariaa, after looting, raping and killing all the infidels.

24/05/09

The barbarians are back with the vengeance. Read:

"An update on this story. "Muslim migrants riot in Athens," from The Age, May 24 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Dozens of cars have been smashed, 14 people injured and 46 arrested in riots by Muslim migrants over the alleged defacing of a Koran by a policeman.

Police fired tear gas and stun grenades at hundreds of protesters outside Parliament in the city centre.

Police said they would investigate the allegation that an officer tore up an Iraqi migrant's Koran while checking his identity papers in Athens last week. "But this isolated incident cannot justify these acts of violence," said Interior Minister Christos Markoyiannakis....

Markoyiannakis, if one wants to riot and hurt the kuffar, virtually any excuse will do."

Banito/Lalit,

>> keep prodding others to make societies where you can breath the air of freedom, without makeing any contribution.

Describes you living in Denmark perfectly! But you also add a lot of negativity to Danish society with your racism and hatefulness.

faruki

unable to give a straight answer you turn to your usual garbage.

muslims have reached a dead end. you can not go forward and you can not go backwards-

dumb sods.

your attitude is parasitical. you can not make decent socities yourself. therefore you keep prodding others to make societies where you
can breath the air of freedom, without makeing any contribution.

If the right wing BJP and the left wing Communist Parties fail to acknowledge the writing on the wall unambiguously written by the Indian voters, it will be their own folly to judge the electorate. For that, both the sections are yet to get a feeling of the Indian masses - who always made their mind known to the demagogues after every elections. The political reasons for these are not far to seek. Both the parties view extreme views on Indianess - While the BJP has overzealous and nonviable / untenable versions of MORAL MAJORITY , the Indian Communists have anachronistic and un-Indian ideology for India. Both the political offerings may have few takers in the Indian context till it it modified to suit the Indian conditions. Till then, the right wing Congress Party will be seen as a viable TINA option by the moderate Indians. However, there is hardly any doubt that the media has played an impeccable role in reporting and educating the Indian voters. Bravo!

Banito/Lalit,

>> you are a dogmatic muslim- otherwise why would you defend islam despite its many failures.

Either you are totally stupid, or you lie deliberately, but talking to a moron like you is just a waste of time.

>> do you believe that muslims have the right to have 4 wives.

Read my posts. I do believe however that you are an empty headed bigot who is out to promote hate, for no other reason than the fact that you have nothing better to do.

khusi ram, ji

communists did not believe in western liberalism.
their goal was the dictatorship of the proletariat- that was at least honest.

muslims in pakistan are also honest that they believe in a islamic state- with many of its
backwards and reactionary ideas in tact.

in a poll in dawn-the karrachi newspaper- about
50 percent believe that islam is not compatible
with democracy. there are no one advocating repeal of the blasphemy laws. few speak for women rights.

faruki should speak up for ideas in muslim media.
it carries risk- but also the reward of being considered a real liberal.

i am not holding my breath for this to happen.

"pakistani,s have openly rejected secularism,"

Baggai ji

Not Muslims' fault.Clergy says Islam and Democracy are opposite .Believers whether educated like Anwar or uneducated ones can't defy the Mullas .

faruki

if you have liberal ideas then publish them in muslim web sites.

that is the need of the hour.

most of us in this forum are liberals. our
feelings about you is that a muslim who follows the koran and the teachings of the koran can
not be a liberal at the same time.

the proof of this is obvious by looking at pakistan and indian muslims.

it would be flagrant lie to say that these people are liberals.whats more they would disagree if any one called them so.

pakistani,s have openly rejected secularism, free
speech and have a terrible attitude towards women.

denying the obvious, telling lies are the instruments you use to project a false vision of islam,and yourself.

Child Marriages


The National Family Health Survey (NFHS) II (1998-99), in a survey of women who were married below the age of 18, found that in Bihar they accounted for 71 per cent, in Rajasthan 68.3 per cent, in Madhya Pradesh 64.7 per cent, in Andhra Pradesh 64.3 per cent, in Uttar Pradesh 62.1 per cent, in Maharashtra 47.7 per cent, in Karnataka 46.3 per cent, in West Bengal 45.9 per cent, in Haryana 41.5 per cent, in Gujarat and Assam 40.7 per cent, in Orissa 37.6 per cent, in Tamil Nadu 24.9 per cent, in Jammu and Kashmir 22 per cent, in Kerala 17 per cent, in Punjab 11.6 per cent and in Himachal Pradesh 10.7 per cent. The NFHS is a sample survey and not a head count that the Census is.

faruki

and obey all the other rituals.

faruki

aaa do you believe that muslims have the right to have 4 wives.

bbb do you believe in the triple talaq.

ccc do you consider that drinking,eating non halal meat is haram.

ddd do you believe that mehemmet was the messenger of god, and the lasy profet.

eee do you accept that mehemmet bad his followers to kill jews,christians unless they converted to islam.

fff do you believe that mehemmet considered women
to be just half as good as men.

ggg do you believe that anyone comitting blasphemy should be put to death.

hhh that apostates should be killed.

iii that muslims must pray five times a day faceing mecca, and obey all the other religions.

faruki

you are a dogmatic muslim- otherwise why would you defend islam despite its many failures.

islam enjoins and commands loyalty. you can never
be a liberal and belong to a rigid ,intolerant religion at the same time.

the liberalism you claim is just used as a mask to make you socially acceptable.

in a dilemna you will always oppose liberalism in favour of islam. or vice versa.

that is the dilemna which muslims face.

Dip,

>> Ambedkar was also critical of Islam.

I know.

Banito/Lalit,

>> you defend the religion as taught in the koran.

You keep proving again and again that you are a moron. What I believe is clearly laid out in my posts. You must be blind not to see it. You have become an intolerable bore!

faruki

you are a dogmatic muslim because you defend the religion as taught in the koran, agree with mehemmets views on governance, his claim of being the messenger of god, the whole evil
message which has enslaved women ,girls.

proof of the evil results of the islamic mindset
is evident from happenings across the borders.

human beings have been transformed into barbarians, the state of society is dismal and
in the pits.not a woman can be seen in the streets. no sign of colour,music or joy.

communists in russia also hated any critique,
til krushchev openly confessed the crimes of the
stalin era.the people who had written about it,
and had been condemned for carrying on capitalist
propaganda, were at long last rehabilated in the
eyes of fellow russians.

there are few krushchevs, dubcheks, sakharovs
in the muslim community. those who dare criticise
islam are like hunted animals.

we have seen this in india,when tasleema nasreen
was kept in solitary,and then shipped out as
a hot potatoe.

your principle role in life seems to be to supress the ugly reality of islam, by trying
to enforce censorship of all critique about religion. you bark like an angry and enraged dog
when the truth of your community is written.

if this is not being a dogmatic muslim, then i will have to find a more suitable word, which i
find it hard to think of now.

how about being called a assura beeja- dr s has
called you that. make up your mind.

Anwar Patel,

-wikipedia-

Ambedkar was also critical of Islam and its practices in South Asia. While justifying the Partition of India, he condemned the practice of child marriage in Muslim society, as well as the mistreatment of women. He said,

No words can adequately express the great and many evils of polygamy and concubinage, and especially as a source of misery to a Muslim woman. Take the caste system. Everybody infers that Islam must be free from slavery and caste.[While slavery existed], much of its support was derived from Islam and Islamic countries. While the prescriptions by the Prophet regarding the just and humane treatment of slaves contained in the Koran are praiseworthy, there is nothing whatever in Islam that lends support to the abolition of this curse. But if slavery has gone, caste among Musalmans [Muslims] has remained.

He wrote that Muslim society is "even more full of social evils than Hindu Society is" and criticized Muslims for sugarcoating their sectarian caste system with euphemisms like "brotherhood". He also criticized the discrimination against the Arzal classes among Muslims who were regarded as "degraded", as well as the oppression of women in Muslim society through the oppressive purdah system. He alleged that while Purdah was also practiced by Hindus, only among Muslims was it sanctioned by religion. He criticized their fanaticism regarding Islam on the grounds that their literalist interpretations of Islamic doctrine made their society very rigid and impermeable to change. He further wrote that Indian Muslims have failed to reform their society unlike Muslims in other countries like Turkey.

In a "communal malaise", both groups [Hindus and Muslims] ignore the urgent claims of social justice.

While he was extremely critical of Muhammad Ali Jinnah and the communally divisive strategies of the Muslim League, he argued that Hindus and Muslims should segregate and the State of Pakistan be formed, as ethnic nationalism within the same country would only lead to more violence. He cited precedents in historical events such as the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and Czechoslovakia to bolster his views regarding the Hindu-Muslim communal divide.

However, he questioned whether the need for Pakistan was sufficient and suggested that it might be possible to resolve Hindu-Muslim differences in a less drastic way. He wrote that Pakistan must "justify its existence" accordingly. Since other countries such as Canada have also had communal issues with the French and English and have lived together, it might not be impossible for Hindus and Muslims to live together.

He warned that the actual implementation of a two-state solution would be extremely problematic with massive population transfers and border disputes. This claim was prophetic, looking forward to the violent Partition of India after Independence.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> they are the ones who are mentally reduced as dhimmies.

Dhimmies are figments of your sick imagiantion. Nobody is as mentally reduced as you.

>> AP will start reading and memorising the verses that sponsor killing of the infidels, raping.

I leave those verses to sickos like you and to your shakhas.

>> The followers do not need your support.

Obsession with the 'followers' has driven you totally insane.

>> Islam can not sustain a democracy or secularism.

It is hindutva morons like you who cannot sustain democracy or secularism, as Dr.Ambedkar clearly said.

23/05/09

"and Malaysia."

Malaysia is slowly inching towards theocracy. Islam can not sustain a democracy or secularism.

23/05/09

">> Why do they need your support?"

26/11, 9/11, 7/7 etc. The followers do not need your support; the full strength and sanctity of the verses lend ample support.

23/05/09

"it will, no doubt, be the greatest calamity for this country."

Idiot. I have quoted the message relating to the past, which is factual and incontrovertible. Your quote relates to a future projection, which has gone wrong miserably. Since being an idiot, you can not see the difference.

23/05/09

"Religions get reformed. I advocate full equality of women, democratic and secular forms of government, freedom of speech, nonviolence,"

Having said that on paper, AP will start reading and memorising the verses that sponsor killing of the infidels, raping women of other faiths, demolishion of temples and churches, looting the property of the kafirs, and aiming towatds world domination of Islam and universal imposition of shariaa. TROP can never be reformed, unless the Book is abandoned.

23/05/09

"I have no problems with them. I just despise...."

True; they are the ones who are mentally reduced as dhimmies and also prepare the grounds for a ready take over.

Mr Mehta your definition odf secularism is :

Hate Hindus.
Create Muslim vote bank.
Protect terrorists like Afzal Guru.
Crawl to Commi traitors if need be.
Divide people on the basis of religion that has been holding Muslims to join mainstream.
Congress has done more harm to Muslim interest then anybody else.
Qutorocchi given clean chit.
Creating dynasty rule and making people bigger then instituitions.
Congress has been in rule most of the time. It's achievement is India is still a third world country.India is still not a nation but a crowd.
Look around India Mr Mehta and see Singapore and
Malaysia. This is how nations are built. Not by emotional nonsense and hypocrisy.
Please read and think waht Iqbal said :

Aazadi-e-afkar sey haiy unn ki tabahi
Rakhtay naheen jo fikr-o-tadabbar ka saleeqa
Ho fikr agar khaam, tau aazdi-e-afkar
Insaan ko haiwaan bananay ka tareeqa

Idia faces greatest threat to internal security in it's history because of nincompoop congis and commis.

NoMr mehta you have got it wrong. Your atricles most of the time full hypocrisy. Your definition is :

Seclarism: Hate and Eliminate Hindus

Banito/Lalit,

>> i consider you to be a paki.

I consider you to be an idiot and a hatemonger.

>> you are a dogmatic muslim.

Give an example of my making a dogmatic statement. Just calling you 'an empty-headed bigot' does not make me a dogmatic Muslim.

>> if you believe that films like the ones you mentioned are shown in denmark,then you are plain cuckoo.,

Shows your utter ignorance. The films I mentioned have been shown in International
Film Festivals, and hava won many awards.

Pedda Anna,

>> A religion should take charge of the prevalent vices in the society.

In which case, one hopes that there is something to help bring about secular democracy in Islamic majority nations.

Having build faith and ideology, just one sentence from Mohammad was enough for the die-hard drunkards of Arabia to give up drinking, and that sentence was.
The curse of Allah is on liquor, the one who takes it, who gives it, who processes it, who rectifies it, who sells it, who buys it, who transports it, who receives it and who uses its earnings for subsistence.

A religion should take charge of the prevalent vices in the society. Alcohol is a curse, eating away the hard earned money of the poor laboureres and spoiling the social fabric. Many organization and governments have tried to curb and eradicate this evil, including the Nexalites, but none of them succeeded. But there was one person in the history, who accomplished it during his life time and the effects are felt even today.
Drinks, girls, poetry and gambling was a part and parcel of Arabian life till Mohammad started his reformation not with the power of rod or sword but with ideology, faith and character building. Its effect is so deep rooted that even after 14 hundered years, Muslims not only in Arabia, but all over the world are the least to indulge in these vices.

faruki

if you believe that films like the ones you mentioned are shown in denmark,then you are plain cuckoo.,

what we see are women in veils, and burqas.
and quite a few men in skull caps.

some younger muslims are now slowly loosening their bonds with religion. there is hope for them.

faruki

i consider you to be a paki. do you feel insulted.

the absurd about you is that you are a dogmatic
muslim-dont deny this if you have any sense-
and you would have us believe that you are a modern liberal.

muslims with your strong allegiance can not be
liberals. neither could the communists under stalin convince anyone that they were democrats.

islam in every way is opposed to democracy, free
thinking, equality of women and men, the rule
of modern laws, and in fact the very thought that laws can be formed by men and women through
free debate.

every action of you morons needs to have the
sanction of islam,and the profet.when ever you
face a dilemna