A_R:>>"Vaishnavas ...sever all connections with Shaivite worship, including stopping their visits to Shiva temples"

In chennai city, in Adyar, there is a famous vishNu temple for 'ananta-padma-naabha-swamy' showing Him in reclining position. Most chennai hindus, both saivaites and vaishNavaites, visit it on new-year's day and vaikunt ekaadaSi. Very close to the reclining vishnu in the shrine, there is also a Siva-linga, vishNu's right hand middle finger seen to be touching the linga also. Thus, all those who devoutly worship viSwam vishNuh as the Space-lord also see Him in touch with Siva as the Time-lord, kaala-kaalo maheSwarah and worship Him also. Closeby is also the shrine for cosmo-mom Durga, the sister of vishNu and consort of Siva, representing the relativist universal dynamics as vishNumaayaa, Siva-Sakti, gauree gaganadhaariNee, the gravity field holding the galaxies in motion and sustaining electromagnic waves from infra red to ultra-violet to uhf and vhf also. Most Hindus see the divine as the underlying supervising and operating Power of the cosmos sustaining and maintaining all the lives in it in various stages of evolution. Pranava-vidyaa, perennial philosophy of the hindus, includes, non-contradictively, both spiritual perceptions and scientific laws of nature also.

barmha-praNava-vidyaa saa
paraa poorNaa
pramaaNikaa
sarva-gjnaana-vigjnaanaanaam
soo
tra-bhootaa sanaatanee.

A_R:>>"What a paganic imagination"

The concept of 'pagans' is product of the egoistic dirty imagination of conversionist church-folk! Jesus, who said 'blessed are the poor' will never forgive them for this. On judgement day, the only souls refused admission to heaven will be those of the priests of the church from europe who came to the india of skanda = jesus and told the devout hindu devotees of skanda there that they are pagans worshippimg devils as gods. I can only pity these conversionist preists who are losing their own salvation while promising it to some others, who are already assured of it! Perhaps jesus should forgive them anyway, since He is an all-forgiver of all sins!.

A_R:>>"How do you know the bug or the mosquito you killed just now , was not the incarnation of your dead forefather?"

Why not? perh my great.power.n grandpa had a little bit of 'karma' left to be sufferred for before attaning the feet of the great Lord. He would have greatly preferred being a mosquito to be crunched by his own great.power.n grandson as the last living experience before attaining salvation.

A_R:>>"Upper caste Sri Vaishnavas.."

Well, you should be happy to have found out about the presence of Sree-vaishNavas, who will not visit Siva temples, not worship Siva and so on, the vaishnavaite versions of Saivaite ravana who detested vishnu! [Siva Himself tells His consort that sree raama = vishNu is always in his heart; raamaanuja took in dalits as vaishNavaites!]. There are also veera-Saivas who will not worship VishNu, even these days. Vyasa has himself said that, in bad times, many asuric souls will be born in families of so-called brahmins. The asurics, in all religions, will pay the prices for their evils, from the God behind all religions. They will never get anywhere near heaven. Do not worry about them.

Well, hinduism also has its quota of mad fools. sishyonmaadaat guru-drohah, the madness of ‘Sishyas’ brings bad name to the good gurus and GOD in their hearts. bhaktonmaadaat prabhu-drohah, the madness of the devouts bring bad name to their Lord, like moslems to Allah, like the church to jesus, these veera-saivas and veera-vaishnavas bring name to Siva and vishNu also. the quarrels betw the followers of sringeri and kanchi mutts bring bad name to aadi Sankara himself. None of these evil and ego-bound souls will ever get anywhere real god-head or salvation. You need not worry about them, or probably, your soul should worry about them, really!. they are most likely to be with you only in hell, centred on Saturn, when you reach there after your own day of judgement.

ramzan

mohammet said that muslims should live in muslim countries.

whar excuse do you have for liveing in usa, ruled
by infidels.

Seshadri,

>> most moslems really guided by quran, or sunnas which are worse.

Your ignorance is immense. If you ask a group of 100 Muslims whether they know the lines in question, not one would know them. Huge parts of Muslim scriptures have already been manusmritized, i.e. out of use. Only the sanghis, zionists and hate spreaders like you seem to know them!

>> hope that the fastest growing religion will anyway dominate the world.

That may be your sick obsession, not mine.

A_R:>>" Siva...involved in a tussle with Vishnu"

Only chr-isl imaginative interpolation, to divide and convert hindus. In fact, in the mahaabhaarata, krishNa [avtar of vishnu] himself insists on arjuna doing penance towards Siva to get His blessings and divine-powered weapons, for success in the expected war against evil. During rama's war with ravan, hanuman, as amSa of Siva, is fully with rama; brings herbal hill from himalaya to revive ram and laxman, getting swooned by poison astras from indrajit. during kurukshetra war, hanuman as Siva-amSa is present on the flagmast of the chariot of arjuna and krishna, absorbing all negative powers of divinity aimed at them. Hanuman gets down from the flagmast only after krishna and arjun both dismount; the chariot burns off when hanuman also gets away from it. during krishna's childhood, Siva resides as a hermit in gokula as a source of protection for him.

In the avtar of Siva as aadi Sankara, vishNu resides as protective force in the person of sankara's disciple padmapaada; when Sankara offeres himself to be sacrificed to kaalabhairava by kaapaalikas, vishNu arises as nrisimha from padmapaada and destroys the entire kaapaalika cult evil of those days.

VishNu the proector power, and Siva, the trans-'former' power, only operate as coordnative forces, not as opposing forces, in cosmo-dynamics.

A_R:

If you think space and time pre-existed for God only to create all lives to live in them, ask yourself, was there another higher God who created space-time in the first place? Hence, we say God produced space-time also from within himself and governs, observes and experiences all creations within his own super-self.

Gita defines the purushottama of the cosmos as follows:

upadrashTaa anumantaa ca
[observer, facilitator]
bhartaa bhoktaa maheSwarah
[ruler, enjoyer, super-lord]
paramaatmaa ca iti atra
[inner experiencer, all in here]
loke asmin purushah parah
[in this universe the only self-existent Absolute].

A_R:>>"God or Allah, the creator of all".

Please understand that God = Siva/vishnu= Allah = Christ = yahvey = zeus created the space-time-relativity continuom also only out of Himself, before releasing matter, spirit = anti-matter into them to form galaxies, e-m-radiations and lives [= maater + spirit] of all forms, from ants, plants, fish to humans to demons and divines of various levels, also.

>> “The paganic stone idol, a creation of human imagination”

Hindus do not worship stone idols
They see God in it
As you can see your loved ones when they are not with you
Thus you can feel them, you can touch them

Close your eyes and try to see, Ahmed
We call it one’s inner eye…
And yes,
This world today – (minus) Human imagination = Zero

A_R:>>"The paganic stone idol, a creation of human imagination"

The stone only [shapeless, as symbol of all possible shapes and forms and names] symbolizes the absolute, creator to salvator. If you think hindus worship the stone, not the Absoute symbolized by the stone, your brain is only a stone.

>>"having wife and family"

The creator of all, under-existing all, can also divide Himself into a variety of inter-related forms with names also, and function in those forms also. Nothing unbelievable, in that.

>>"involved in a tussle with Vishnu"

never. Siva and vishnu are only the obverse and reverse of the same coin. Only those who worship both the evolution-promoter, vishnu, and spiritual-salvator Siva, will really succeed, like arjuna. ravan worshipped siva only, hated vishnu thinking he was difffrent from siva, got killed, in many re-births also.

>>"represented in the form of a 'linga' cannot be equated with God or Allah, the creator of all".

word 'linga' stands only for 'representation'. the creator of all in-dwells all His creations also. He told your nabhi that He was creator of all, thro gabriel = naarada 1.5kyrs ago; He Himself told Arjun 5.1kyrs ago that He was creator and indweller of all manifestations, in space-time-relativity, giving arjun the spiritual perception to see that in action also.

A_R:>>"Mythology is not history"

Prehistory in the puranas, itihasass and the bible is not mythology.

N:>>"No one has told me if I don't believe in manusmriti some uunnamed god will condemn me to hell".
right. true for most hindus. hence no problem.

A_P:>>"I too am not guided by the Quranic passages" Pretention.

>>"most Muslims don't even know about them".
Lie. most moslems really guided by quran, or sunnas which are worse, or mullahs more worse.

>>"Let us just keep it at the level that evil-doers exist in all societies, and let us move away from the holier-than-thou nonsesnse".
An evil devilist's suggestion in hope that the fastest growing religion will anyway dominate the world in the near future, by the law of the survival of the fittest. But A_P forgets that Darwin's law of survival of the fittest, is more spiritual than simply biological. The first few avtars of vishnu were meant to cause mutations in species and human races, only. Only religions with maximum spiritual truths-contents in them will survive as the fittest, over time, not those which seem to have maxm reproductive tendencies, right now. Evil types often tend to self-destruct, mutual fights among their own sects and cults, like what is already happening in pakisthan and iraq.

Anyway, we can let A_P keep hoping for the best, for his fast-growing islam. Allah = Siva = Christ = Yahvey will decide whether He wants to be seen in the world, eventually, by only the one name of Allah. .

A_P::>>"Seshasdri...saying every day that Hindus can do no wrong".

I never said that, altho I do wish it was true.
Facts of history and prehistory are really that hindus have done lots of wrong and paid the prices also for it.

>> What struck me about the article was that it was comparing two situations which are not comparable.

The article was not just comparing the two situations, but also the response to the two incidents.

In one, the govt fulfilled its constitutional obligations, and arrested the hooligans. In other, the govt sided with the goondas and arrested people who were exercising their fundamental right.

Gaurav,

>> with any logical rebuttal to my points.

Your points are nothing new, and have been discussed here several times before. What struck me about the article was that it was comparing two situations which are not comparable. This is not an uncommon tactic which is designed to promote the heinous doctrine of "minority appeasement" which has been exploited by the BJP for a long time.

>> Your point that Muslim protests are usually more intense than Hindu protests is valid

His point was not about the quality of Muslim protests vs Hindu protests, but the "secular" response to them.

Anwar,

This is something you are good at - When you were not left with any logical rebuttal to my points, you picked the most easily acceptable (to you) piece, something like motherhood and apple pie and agreed with it, without expressing your disagreement with the key points (which you cant because it wont be logical and factual) or agreement (which you cant because it is too uncomfortable for you and belies the false image you have of yourself and perhaps the secularists).

Chapter closed

Gaurav

KARNATAKA PUBLIC MPNEY TO PROMOTE BLIND FAITH.


http://communalism.blog...y-to-promote-blind.html

>> It was good to see Karnataka police take action against the Ram Sene hooligans

But it was sad to see (not unexpected though) the WB Commie govt not take any action against the Muslims goondas, but arrest the Statesman editor and publisher instead.

And did the very secular Outlook republish the article to express solidarity with seculars, and in defence of free speech?

>> when people with an agenda write an article, they are apt to compare apples with oranges.

Virtually every article is written by people with an agenda. Do you believe that Ram Puniyani or Arundhati Roy don't have agendas?

>> Though not directly related to the article, but certainly to the posts and the wider discourse in India and worldwide. The attached link asks very pertinent questions which will send everyone (except the so called hindu right) scurrying for cover to hide their hypocrisy

>>
http://chowk.com/articl...lkata-sankrant-sanu.htm


Gaurav,
Excellent article. Thanks for sharing.

Gaurav,

Your point that Muslim protests are usually more intense than Hindu protests is valid, but the two incidents compared in the article are not comparable.

Stopperbhai,

>> when the OUTLOOK administrator dumped you.

You are a habitual liar. It was you, with your Vinod ID, who had his ass kicked out, not me.

Anwar,

Forgot to add some more details about your example -

1. GOI actually resubmitted the affidavit implying the same. It was only after threat of protests by BJP that they withdrew. Noteworhty that none of these protests were violent
2. No-one was arrested, forget arrested not a single babu was fired (as against the arrests)
3. Secularists (including communists) had opposed the withdrawal (remember Karunanidhi's statement asking which engineering college did Ram go to) and so far i hven't heard/read anyone asking for Karunanidhi's head
4. And FYI, these are the same communists who refused to extend the Calcutta runway (which would have allowed the first dreamliner flight to calcutta and of course would have been an infra. development project) because a small unused mosque would have had to be demolished. Notice the difference in their response in very similar situations (though you cant compare a small mosque to the Ram Setu - applying your principle of equivalence)

Hope this brings the entire truth out with respect to your example.

Gaurav

Anwar,

Lets for argument sake agree with your assertion that the two are indeed different (though in my opinion the basic question isn’t about insult but about freedom). Nonetheless lets go on with what you have started - give "equivalent examples" -

1. MF Hussain not only painted Hindu goddesses in the nude but also depicted Hanuman and Sita in objectionable poses. I am assuming that you will be generous enough to grant that the insult to hindus' religious emotions was "equivalent" to the insult of muslims' religious emotions because of the publication of the said article. Having established this equivalence of insult, lets establish the equivalence (or lack thereof) of the government and secularists response. All of them rushed to defend MF Hussain and lo behold not a word in defense of the publisher/editor of the newspaper (when all they did was publish)

Is the above sufficient to point at the hypocrisy or do you want more, many more?

BTW, like the author of the article which i quoted i hate both the SRS and muslim protestors. But i hate the supposed intellectuals and hypocrite secularists even more. And that applies to the example i mentioned above as well.

Gaurav

Gaurav,

>> Would love to see how the resident secularists react.

Although both incidents are reprehensible, when people with an agenda write an article, they are apt to compare apples with oranges. One should compare an incident involving an insult to the Prophet with an incident involving an insult to Ram (remember how the government of India had to withdraw and alter their initial submission to the SC on Ram Setu?). Beating up women who want to patronize a bar is not a comparable incident. I deplore both incidents. It was good to see Karnataka police take action against the Ram Sene hooligans, even if Karnataka CM BS Yediyurappa had said he was against pub culture; his home minister Acharya had prompty agreed that pub culture was evil.

gaurav

joseph our bete noir is upstairs, or maybe down stairs playing the harp.

its obvious that standards of good behaviours are relaxed for muslims. everytime they are displeased they are willing to burn the town.

same happened in denmark. the cartoons about mohammet cause a lot of problems for denmark.

i suppose the feeling about muslims is- that against fools ,even the gods battle in vain.

glad to hear from you old coot.

Though not directly related to the article, but certainly to the posts and the wider discourse in India and worldwide. The attached link asks very pertinent questions which will send everyone (except the so called hindu right) scurrying for cover to hide their hypocrisy

http://chowk.com/articl...lkata-sankrant-sanu.htm


Would love to see how the resident secularists react (if at all)

On a separate note, there used to be a pakistani called Joseph on these boards. Havent heard anything from him for a long time - is he in hibernation?

Banito/Lalit,

Your idle chatter, which has been repeated 100 times already, is boring and asinine.

faruki

no child after reaching 18 years old, would chose islam. that can be seen world wide.only children born in muslim families become muslims,
because of compulsion. poor kids have no real choice.

children in denmark are free to chose. i dont see many danish muslims. they have far more sense.

if they did then denmark would soon be like pakistan.no chance of this happening.

faruki

your great wish is to make all believe that the muslim world is as advanced, as secular,as liberal as all other countries eg scandinavian.

you need to get your head examined if you place
pakistan and denmark on a similar level.

you have said that muslim countries are 200 years or more behind the rest. so why object
when people world wide hold this view.

cannibals and vegetarians are different, but this wee idea can not seep into your thick skull.

Maha,

>>>> "I never claime that Muslims are better than Hindus. "
>> Many people you called hate mongers have also not done it.

If they have not done it, I do not call them hate mongers. If you disagree, please give examples.

Narendran,

>> The difference is there is censorship in these free press and none in the Outlook forum.

That is true. Mud slinging is easier in the forum, and several people do cross the limit.

"I never claime that Muslims are better than Hindus. "
Many people you called hate mongers have also not done it. They were biased towards showing Muslim atrocities you are towards showing hindu atrocities.

Some reality check will not hurt you.


ANWAR PATEL
DALLAS TX UNITED STATES

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I never new a times of india report is a classified document .I am regular reader of the most 'secular' newspaper namely the Indian express and the Asian age where news about atrocities against 'low'castes and atrocities against muslims and Christians get banner headings.And I know what is 'reality' thanks to them .So the question of I am getting hurt by your posting does not arise. The difference is there is censorship in these free press and none in the Outlook forum.

Maha,

>> So what is difference between you and them ?

I never claime that Muslims are better than Hindus. Once in a while I may point out the reality to you guys, by showing that Hindus are human too.

Narendran,

>> No one has told me if I don't believe in manusmriti some uunnamed god will condemn me to hell.

Good for you! I too am not guided by the Quranic passages you quote, and most Muslims don't even know about them. Let us just keep it at the level that evil-doers exist in all societies, and let us move away from the holier-than-thou nonsesnse.

Anwar,

"Would you like such news items to be supressed? Don't you see Seshasdri and other similar bigots saying every day that Hindus can do no wrong? Some reality check will not hurt you."

So what is difference between you and them ? Why can't people call you hatemonger and bigot also like you call them when they bring up similar incidents in islamic world ?

Anwar Patel
"I was not referring to either the Manusmriti"

I don't know what is in the Manusmriti because i did never care about it . No one has told me if I don't believe in manusmriti some uunnamed god will condemn me to hell to burn eternally with new skin after the old skin becomes useless to make you enjoy the pleasure of being burned.Tell me what is in the manusmriti so that I may take precaution.

Narendran,

>> I fail to understand the purpose or context of your reference to the rape of an unfortunate girl or woman of 'low caste'at the hands of some 'high caste' men . It stinks.

Would you like such news items to be supressed? Don't you see Seshasdri and other similar bigots saying every day that Hindus can do no wrong? Some reality check will not hurt you.

Banito/Lalit,

>> scandinavian countries have a good reputation on most counts. muslim countries are bad on most counts.

Can you sing that with violins playing?

ANWAR PATEL
DALLAS TX UNITED STATES
I fail to understand the purpose or context of your reference to the rape of an unfortunate girl or woman of 'low caste'at the hands of some 'high caste' men . It stinks. And the foul odour of it atracts attention.

faruki

scandinavian countries have a good reputation on most counts.

muslim countries are bad on most counts. to say
that danish society is no better then pakistani society is absurd and you know it.

on the way back to copenhagen i sat on the side of a norwegian who had travelled widely in india,
and a bit in pakistan.

he said that whats bad in india is also bad in pakistan. however whats good in india is bad in
pakistan.

now even pakistani,s feel bad about their society. in comparison indians are more upbeat.

foreign tourists come to india, but no one visits
pakistan.

it may hurt you to read such views, as the defender of islam and muslims, but what i say has
been said often in the foreign press.

farid zakaria has something about muslim society
in news week now.

the general view is that islamic societies are
spiralling down wards. they are considered as
pariahs in the western world.

i expect you to deny, abuse and come up with your usual insane remarks. with people like you muslim societies have not a hope in hell.

Seshadri,

>> the 'linga' in Siva temple, on kaabaa corner also!

This idiot will keep on parroting his lies even after being told again and again that what he is babbling is not true!

Akil,

>> only natural religion in the world and that is why there is no ceremony held to make a child born to Hindu to be "made" a Hindu unlike Muslims who have circumcision/recite sahada etc to be made a Muslim and Christians have to baptize.

Trying to make a virtue out of every ceremony or every lack of ceremony is something I leave to school children. Is a Hindu child religionless until the age of 18? And what is the relevance of all this in current discussion?

Narendran,

I was not referring to either the Manusmriti or the Quran and what they say about women as war booties, since none of that is currently invoked or relevant. The point simply is that unacceptable behavior exists in all societies. If you are engaged in showing that your society is better than other societies, which I am not, then it would be difficult for you to go through daily newspapers without making awkward rationalizations.

Anwar Patel

Rape is understood as sexual intercourse with out the consent of either of the persons involved in that act.. What is to be noted is that neither the Hindu religious texts nor their Gods sanction and approve that crime. Seen in this context the question of some Hindu men raping a woman or women is only a crime against fellow beings for which there are provisions in the law to punish them if found guilty.

But can a Muslim or Christian who believes in Koran and the Bible respectively to be the word of God-and unchangeable too- be held guilty of that crime? You decide.

“O, Prophet, Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives whom thou hast paid their dowries and those whom thy right hand possessth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war……”(Koran 33.50)

What it means that not only god sanctions sexual intercourse with captured women for Mohammed and his followers but also explicitly permitted them to engage in sexual intercourse with their female captives, with consent or without consent.

“Thus sayth Jehovah, Behold I will raise up evil against thee out of thy own house and I will take thy wives before thine eyes and give them unto thy neighbor and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of the sun “ (Bible,2.Samuel 12.9.12 )

“So they set up a tent for Absalom on the palace roof and in the sight of everyone Absalom went in and had intercourse with his fathers concubines “(Bible 2.Samuel 16-21-22)

It was the decree of God that the concubines of King David be publicly raped as punishment for the sins he committed against God.

What right mortals have to decide whether rape is a crime or not in view of the actions and saying of the inscrutable one/two God?

ANWAR PATEL
DALLAS TX UNITED STATES

Hinduism is the only natural religion in the world and that is why there is no ceremony held to make a child born to Hindu to be "made" a Hindu unlike Muslims who have circumcision/recite sahada etc to be made a Muslim and Christians have to baptize. Do these religions have the courage to wait till the child turn 18 years and become "legally adult" to perform such "conversion ceremonies" so that the individual can exercise his independent free will to opt for the religion of his parents or continue to remain a Hindu if he so desires. Any takers???

A_R:>>"scrapping of Indian constitution and bringing Manu Smriti"

All hindus know that smritis have only temporary validity. There have been seven manus over the millennia. read vivekaananda. Hindu code bill is the current smriti in vogue. Join for a common code, for a new smriti for all indians. modi will bring it about, if he becomes pm. It may be called modi-smriti, altho AP and AR will only dislike it.

A_R:>>"He sees 'lingas' every where".

but for your dad's 'linga', your foetus in mom's womb would not have formed at all! Siva is symbolized as linga, bec He operates as the 'enformator' of cosmic evolution and universal dynamics. You moslems are fond of the ‘aalingana’, embrace-mode of greetings among people, to ‘form’ cordiality in mental relations. physio-genitically, the womb embracing the linga is able to be productive of a new life.

Same is true spiritually also. Hence, the 'linga' in Siva temple, on kaabaa corner also!

'harim dhyaatvaa haro bhooyaat,
[medit on hari to become Siva-yogee]
Sivo bhootvaa Sivaam bhajet,
[worship cosmomom as Siva-yogee]
Sivaa-sutau guha-dwayam,
[Her sons gaNesa, skanda are activated]
siddhir gaNyaat, muktih skandaat'
[gaNesa gives success, skanda=jesus salvation also!]

The above is the process of welfare generation, in the world, through meditation, by sages and saints and Sufis also.. By medit on hari at heart, Siva-yoga is attained, the yogi himself becomes a spiritul transformer, a linga so to say!: the cosmomom holy spirit embraces the yogi in praarthana, as Siva, implements his prayoga, for world good.

At the heart of Siva in yoga, vishnu appears as raama, eliminates evil around as desired. Siva and Sakti together cause the gangetic spirit flow from above head, seen as baalaa, balavardhinee: ‘Seetaa baalaa mahaa-laxmeeh viSwa-raama-hridam gataa!’ when baalaa descends into the heart of raama, at the heart of Siva-yogee, as seetaa = padma = faatima, welfare also flows out into the world. murugan = mukunda-hridayam-gata = jesus is also released from the heart of raama only, as the salvator of souls mature for it.

Siva-Sakti combination also releases gaNeSa as the results-limiter, vighneSa, to control the results of evil doers around. The spiritual world is in safe hands, whether detest lingas or worship them, externally or internally!

ramzan

your muslim community is in a mess.

dont bother to comment on hinduism- even the
'poorest hindus are now catching on.

i talked to 2 hindu women servants in our house
and they were more modern in their outlook then most muslims in this forum.

includeing them and the chauffer all had just 2 children, and with my families help two of their kids were going to university.

all you guys do is to demonise hinduism,hinduism
is not blocking progress.

move over to a muslim country.

Bagai

"i had given up posting in outlook,because..."

Agree with you 100%.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> never said it.

You are a liar and you know it. Did you see this this sad stroy?

"AHMEDABAD: It was a case that put the state government in a soup. A 19-year-old Dalit student of the DIET-PTC at Patan was gangraped by six of her teachers repeatedly, till she could not take it anymore and broke her silence on February 4 last year. On Friday, the verdict in the infamous Patan gangrape case is expected to be announced. This was a first-of-its-kind case where six government teachers faced charges of conspiring and gangraping a student in their custody repeatedly."


http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/4231615.cms

06/03/09

A fifteen month old baby girl is converted in moderate Malaysia. Read:

"KUALA LUMPUR, March 5, 2009 (AFP) - An ethnic Chinese Malaysian has gone to court to fight the secret conversion of his 15-month-old daughter by his estranged Muslim convert wife, his lawyer said Thursday.

Carpenter Hoo Ying Soon, 28, is also challenging the temporary custody granted to his wife by a sharia court in this Muslim-majority nation.

Lawyer Tang Jay Son told AFP Hoo only learned of his wife and child's secret conversion two days ago through a sharia court notice, which said the woman had become a Muslim on January 28 and his infant daughter on February 3."

The folllowers are only 60% in Malaysia; if they are 90%, imagine what will happen? The point is in shariaa, it is the father who decides the religion of the child; the women are only the necessary evil. The double speak is that in the case of infidels, the converted mother decides.
The chicanery is incredible.

"You are the one who said that all the Muslims who stayed.........."

I never said it; but the followers have done the Hindu minority to death in Pakistan and B'desh. They seem far more efficient and truthful to the faith.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> But I am not rabidly violent as the followers are.

You are the one who said that all the Muslims who stayed in India after partition should have been killed, and Muslims in Britain should be dealt with by someone like Hitler. Your being a full time hate pracharak against 150 million Indians makes you a despicable guttersnipe.

06/03/09

AR

Do not bore the readers with this idiot Ram Punayani; ask him to stick to his bio medical engineering. Do the muslim countries anywhere in the world, any one of them having something called constitution? The character is talking and you are repeating about Manusmirithi. Come to 3/3 shoot out in Lahore; the latest episode in the long march of TROP.

06/03/09

"Shows that some Muslims can be as stupid as you."

But I am not rabidly violent as the followers are.

"You shall remain an ignoramus because you are"

Liar!!! If they are reformed, where from the Banglaore bombers came?

Seshadri,

>> A look at the face of anvar's friend, SWAT's mulla, tells the story! evil and disease and death are written on his face!.

A face so full of evil and hate can belong only to a friend of yours, not mine!

B_A to A_P:>>"you have nothing of any value to offer to nonmuslim societies"

Extinction, in eternal peace, is what the religion of peace is offering to non-moslem societies, and also to non-conformist sects within islam itself!.

UMMA-raj [universally mad moslems all over] is expected to replace UMA-raj [unity in justice of mankind all over], what mankind has been hoping for since ancient days!. UMA is the name for the mercy-prone cosmomom, 'Devi', in hinduism [mom of jesus in chr].

Among tamil hindus, there is also the concept of 'moo-devi', moorkhatva-daatree, 'foolishness bestower', the provoker of self-destuction among the extremely wicked amomg asuric folk. In the first chapter of devi-maahaatmya, two demons who wish to destroy brahma, the creator, are provoked foolishness of ego by her, they ask vishnu to take a boon from them! He just asks for their own destruction!. Surprised, but seeing water all over, they agree to be killed on a dry surface. He enlarges Himself, places them on a dry thigh and destroys them! Brahma proceeds with creation operations!

Perhaps, while UMA is known as Sree-devi, UMMA stands for moo-devi. Perhaps, it is the divine trick-will to let the asurics of the world to destroy themselves mutually, so that the rest of humanity can progress in devout wisdom, integrating all relig in humanism.

AP was disputing, around last June, that the mahaakaaleswara linga and kubera's sree chakra were there in mecca, on one corner of kaaba and inside the kaaba, respectively, as the divine forces blessing islam and arabia for getting worship from all directions and also expansions all over. Perhaps, the saudis destroyed them both, soon after. This might have resulted in the withdrawal of UMA-blessings for islam and Arabia, the guess of an old fool, only. I might be wrong, of course!. Oil price came down from 147 to 37 in 3 months! Now UMMA [moo-devi] might also guide them to self-extinction, quickly. people are running away from dubai. malaysia bans name of allah being mentioned in newspapers! If Allah curses UMMA, mankind will truly be saved.

A look at the face of anvar's friend, SWAT's mulla, tells the story! evil and disease and death are written on his face!. Talibanic al-quida terrorism will soon exterminate itself.

Sagacious,

>> Mohammed Enaït refuses to rise for Dutch judges.

Shows that some Muslims can be as stupid as you.

>> No one controls madarassas anywhere in the world; they are a law unto themselves.

You shall remain an ignoramus because you are blinded by hatred. If you regularly read Saldwr, there are reams and reams of news items on the monitoring and reform of madrasas. But knowledge shall destroy you, so stay ignorant!

Bagachi,

>> You obviously have plucked these figures out of thin air.

"Currently more than 60,000 shakhas are run throughout India. Apart from 42,000 daily gatherings, there are about 5,000 weekly and 2,000 monthly gatherings conducted throughout the length and breadth of the country. (Wikipedia).

faruki

i had given up posting in outlook,because i realised that you were an impossible person.

somehow you provoke people to reply to your insane comments. one should not be provoked by
you or the many other kind like you.

just remember that the rss kind are much more
tolerant towards you, then the mullahs of your
tribe. if you provoked your mullahs they would
finish you off in no time.

i can see that you attack the rss as a safe vent
to your feelings of hate. you dare not utter these against your own tribe.

you have nothing of any value to offer to nonmuslim societies, but you have the impertinence to demand a lot from your adverseries. it will not happen. most nonmuslims
have exhausted their patience with you.

05/03/09

"Idiot, we do not monitor madrasas abroad."

Idiot. No one controls madarassas anywhere in the world; they are a law unto themselves. In UK they preach jihad against the west and aspire for Londonistan. In India they are afraid of doing it because of Sangh outfits. But for them, the seculars will sell us to the Saudis. Golden Temple was solved but the Lal Masjid can never be solved. Of course the difference is the Sikhs want to make business and money and good life; such constrints are not there for the followers.

05/03/09

They want shariaa in Netherlands. Mohammed Enaït refuses to rise for Dutch judges -- a clear indication that he does not respect them, or the system of law they represent. He respects only the law he considers to be divine law, the Sharia, and is no doubt working to bring about its triumph.

AP, who will respect the followers?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025091.php

>> out of 60,000 shakhas only 50,000 have daily gatherings?
Some have daily meetings, others have meetings on few days a week.

You obviously have plucked these figures out of thin air.

>> Religious hatred is something much sinister.
Such statements are less meaningful than they seem.

Once again, only for people like you, who just do not want to acknowledge the truth for obvious reasons. Muslim fundamentalism has changed political scenario across the world and you laugh it off as paranoia. On the other hand, you want the world to acknowledge your fear of RSS as genuine and want to be patted and made much of. It would have been funny if wasn’t so dangerous.

But Islam has no future with mullas on one hand and “liberals” like you on the other.

>> It is irrelevant only to mullas like you.

Apart from bad manners, do you have anything else to offer?

>> Religious hatred is something much sinister.

Such statements are less meaningful than they seem.

>> out of 60,000 shakhas only 50,000 have daily gatherings?

Some have daily meetings, others have meetings on few days a week.

More tomorrow!

faruki

i was in new delhi for over one month.

dureing this time there was no evidence of muslim
presence in middle class society, in business,
or in the large number of ngo,s. they kept to themselves complaining about their situation,just as you do.

remember you are the taker from the american
society and you have nothing to offer in return
except insults and complaints.

it would be better for you to look at yourself
in the mirror. it will not be a pretty sight.

if you can not get acceptance in usa, dont expect it anywhere else.

>> A person and his ideology can be questioned. A religion and religious book can not be questioned.
It is irrelevant. The Mumbai terrorists were not chanting verses from the book. Nor were the Lahore attackers.”

It is irrelevant only to mullas like you who would like to equate any other crime with religious crime. And you are an idiot if you take “chanting from the book” so literally. You and me know they were following the book when they were attacking the infidels.

“Which hateful verses motivated Abhinav Bharatis, the Bajrangi killers, the Tamil Tigers, and the erstwhile IRA terrorists?”

None. And that’s my point. I am glad you got it finally. These guys are local goons. Religious hatred is something much sinister. Anyway it’s irrelevant and beside the point. Because their crimes don’t absolve Islamists of their crimes, especially when the magnitudes differ significantly.

>>>> I read it again. you said “If one remembers that there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings…” >> You lie again!!
Are you stupid, or are you just trying to be silly?

Then you explain sir! First you said there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings. Then you say There are 50,000 shakha meetings every day across India. What exactly do you mean here? That out of 60,000 shakhas only 50,000 have daily gatherings? Or is it bullshit on the fly that you have a Ph.D in?

Banito/Lalit,

>> its useless to argue with people like you.

So don't! Why write such empty-headed, hate-filled, long-winded posts if it is useless to argue with me? Anyway I must go to bed.

faruki

you are beyond help.

faruki

my point is-and get this in your head- that its
useless to argue with people like you.

no one can debate with muslims. you are prisoners
of a faith which is disliked in most of the nonmuslim world.

the only argument that makes sense is to accept that there is a complete breakdown of dialogue between muslims and nonmuslims. this is written and talked about in europe, wher people are fed up of muslims in general.

one can find a single european country where people like you are welcome. so in the name of god leave the rest of us in peace.

we will thereafter stop all contacts, and as jinnah said the two communities will live in peace.there is substantial evidence he was right.

in 60 years muslims have not won good will in india. the people who support muslims have a motive, and that is entirely because of political compulsions.

when you disapprove of the rss, bajrang dal remember that they will not go away to please you. your attitude will earn you dislike in all
nonmuslim societies, and you must know of this.

the reasons for this dislike are cultural, religion and mindset.

i dont demand of muslims that they should like or respect us. i expect only that you live apart,
as well as you can, and you should be helped in doing so.

this is the overwhelming feeling of many nonmuslims.

since you have such confidence and faith in islam, this it should be easy for you to live apart,away from rss, and other hindu,jewish,christian and budhist fanatics.

maybe after a few decades a dialogue can start
once again-

>> A person and his ideology can be questioned. A religion and religious book can not be questioned.

It is irrelevant. The Mumbai terrorists were not chanting verses from the book. Nor were the Lahore attackers.

>>>> Their school of system is very much to be blamed.....>>> By the ignorant... >> will keep your head buried in the sand.

Which hateful verses motivated Abhinav Bharatis, the Bajrangi killers, the Tamil Tigers, and the erstwhile IRA terrorists?

>>>> Not according to those who have inspected and monitored the madrasas.” >> They must be closet jihadi sympathizers like you.

This is the level of your discussion!

>>>> I read it again. you said “If one remembers that there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings…” >> You lie again!!

Are you stupid, or are you just trying to be silly?

>> but not chanting verses from a book.
Big diference that makes!

It does. It’s difficult, and as we have seen in the case of islam, has dire consequences, to question what’s in a religious book. A person and his ideology can be questioned. A religion and religious book can not be questioned.

“>> The same is true of Islamism. Their school of system is very much to be blamed.
By the ignorant.”

You mean you know Koran has hateful verses but will keep your head buried in the sand. Be my guest. But don’t crib when world treats you as potential suicide bomber.

“>> Day in and day out the madarsas the world over preach hatred.
Not according to those who have inspected and monitored the madrasas.”

They must be closet jihadi sympathizers like you.

“>> Are you sure about the numbers sir? You mean one shakha attracts 50,000 members every day?
Read it again. There are 50,000 shakha meetings every day across India.

I read it again. you said “If one remembers that there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings…”

You lie again!!

Banito/Lalit,

>> faruki symbolises the stubborn, ignorant muslim.

Being the empty headed bigot that you are, you don't have any sensible arguments to make, so you just chip in with your gutter level insults. A stubborn ignorant muslim would be more like you, brainless and mulish, than like me!

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> what happened in the land of the pure, Pakistan, Lal Masjid.

Idiot, we do not monitor madrasas abroad. And even an ignoramus like you should know that the Lal Masjid madrasa needed to be taken down (as was the Golden Temple in 1984), and it was.

kiran bagachi

faruki symbolises the stubborn, ignorant muslim
whose fellow muslims have destroyed their countries, and some of them not satisfied are now
trying to destroy the rest of the world.

we can try and be liberal and tolerant with these people. ultimately they will repay us
with hate and violence, and death and destruction.

that faruki still can not see the flaws in his faith and community is his problem.

india is extremely unlucky to be sorrounded on both sides by muslim states and have a large
number of them inside.

sans islam india would have had problems, but not such insurmountable problems as it has, and will always have. it would have had large areas of peace, alonside with areas of war.

today politicians in india dare not fight terror
because of their muslim vote bank.

this problem does not exist in some areas, eg himachal pradesh , uttarkhand and ladakh. these
are areas of peace.

its a pity that india is not more like them.

facts are that the faruki,s are incapable of
being indians or americans. they are muslims, and good luck to them. trying to understand their mindset is impossible, as exemplified by
the taliban and other fanatics.

mr cowasjee of dawn once wrote to me that pakistan would never become democratic, and pakis were a flock of ignorant and fanatical people. its true- and the blame lies in the
way they are brought up in pakistan.

faruki despite liveing in usa has more in common with these people then with us. why he wants to stay on this blog and be abused by nearly all is a question no one can answer.

that is typical of many indian muslims. 60 years
of liveing in india has not made any difference.

the situation is the same in earlier muslim
soviet republics. they are reverting to what they were before,intolerant and dictatorial islam
states.

>> How about the translation of hate into terrorism?

The Gujerat massacre, the Malegaon bomb blast, and the Orissa and Karnataka rampages did occur, but trying to link them to shakha education may be too simplistic.

>> They don’t print their own history books.

They do.

>> Never studied any of their literature.

I posted some articles on the subject in this forum. Also a book on the subject was published last year and I posted the book review here.

>> Are you sure about the numbers sir? You mean one shakha attracts 50,000 members every day?

Read it again. There are 50,000 shakha meetings every day across India.

05/03/09

"Not according to those who have inspected and monitored the madrasas."

AP should now be given an Oscar for the craziet lie; you dare say this after witnessing what happened in the land of the pure, Pakistan, Lal Masjid. Army trying to control the clerics and their students; the students taking some of the army men as hostages and little girls swearing that they will produce many suicide bombers. It was one of the thrilling episodes in the mega serial of TROP in March and who will forget?

>> but not chanting verses from a book.

Big diference that makes!

>> The same is true of Islamism. Their school of system is very much to be blamed.

By the ignorant.

>> Day in and day out the madarsas the world over preach hatred

Not according to those who have inspected and monitored the madrasas.

“I was talking of hate prachar, not terrorism.”

How about the translation of hate into terrorism? RSS hate prachaar is a drop as compared to the ocean of hate prachar of madarsas, as madarsa hate prachar gets translated into action and thousands get killed world over. Equating the two is stupid and claiming that RSS hate prachar is worse than madarsa hate prachar is sheer bullshit of the first grade.

“They teach whitewashed history with glorification of Hindu history and vilification of Muslim history.”
Miyan, Their curriculum follows either CBSC, ICSC or state board. They don’t print their own history books. And it’s thick coming from you about whitewashed history. generations of Indian kids have studied history written by commie historians. THEY whitewashed Muslim invaders crimes.

“The progressive exacerbation in anti-Muslim invective and falsification was seen dramatically in the posts of a member of this forum who started attending a shakha.”

The trouble with head-in-the-sand mullas like you is you see shakha in every thing. I haven’t seen how a shakha looks from outside. Never studied any of their literature. Know zilch about Golwalkar of Hedgewar. But I can still see through the secus’ perverted logic. You don’t have to be a shakha member to understand how congress has shamelessly appeased muslims all this while, without caring a fig about their upliftment. Its you guys who fall hook line and sinker by congress sops because of your imaginary paranoia of RSS.

“If one remembers that there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings…”

Are you sure about the numbers sir? You mean one shakha attracts 50,000 members every day?? Thoda lapeto miyan, zyada upar chali gayi hai…

“Hitler's, Stalin's and Mao's men killed millions, but no one blames their school systems for the massacres.”

Yes they killed millions, but not chanting verses from a book. In case of Hitler at least, you can’t blame his school system. He was evil and his system was his own. When he died his system died with him. In case of Stalin and Mao, yes their system is blamed too. Communist regimes world over are infamous for totalitarian governments. So even after their death, you still dread the communists in general.

The same is true of Islamism. Their school of system is very much to be blamed. They commit all these atrocities chanting the verses so they are dangerous. And even you accept that Koran does have objectionable verses. When a suicide bomber dies along with his victims, his hate-filled ideology lives.

Day in and day out the madarsas the world over preach hatred against US, Jews, Hindus, and Christians and instigate Jihad against them and their followers carry out attacks against them. how are they benign in comparison to RSS shakhas?

You say madarsas are closely monitored. And RSS run schools are not? It’s unlikely that congress, which runs to mullas for their community’s vote every election will dare to be tough with them. And be soft with RSS run schools, which is their principle opposing ideology right from the beginning. This defies logic. In fact congress has always turned a blind eye to madarsas and has been pretty harsh on RSS shakhas.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> Who started the original hate prachar?

It started when man was born, but in this forum, you are the one who said that all Muslims who stayed in India after partition should have been killed, and Muslims in England should be dealt with by someone like Hitler. You have run an incessant spate of hate and lies in this forum, in addition to providing moronic tidbits to buttress your gutter level campaign.

04/03/09

"I was talking of hate prachar, not terrorism. Madrasas in India are monitored, their........."

Hey, tell lies that can not be exposed. Who started the original hate prachar? Kill the infidels, rape their women and loot their wealth. Right from the days of Ghazani to 1921 mopla riots. Do the RSS members kill the followers because they follow a different religion? What you have said is unvarmished rubbish. If madarassas are not producing jihadis, wherefrom the suicide bombers are coming from? Remember the Lal Masjid in Pakistan. They proudly claimed the girls will produce more suicide bombers and they are proud about it. Try selling your lies somewhere else.

Bagachi,

>> By no stretch of imagination is this true. It defies logic as people killed in Islamic terror attacks run in thousands.

Hitler's, Stalin's and Mao's men killed millions, but no one blames their school systems for the massacres. I was talking of hate prachar, not terrorism. Madrasas in India are monitored, their curricula have been revised several times, and they provide religious education together with regular courses such as Englidh, Math, computers etc. Only about 4% of Muslim children attend madrasas. The purpose of the shakhas on the other hand is Hindutva indoctrination. They teach whitewashed history with glorification of Hindu history and vilification of Muslim history. Last year I posted a book review on a new publication which was very critical of the texts taught in RSS schools. About five years ago the RSS withdrew one of its own publications, a history of the RSS titled "RSS Aur Bharatiya Jana Sangh Ki Sthapana Ka Itihas" (The History of Creation of the RSS and Bharatiya Jana Sangh), which was a part of 16 volumes brought out by the BJP during the party's silver jubilee celebrations. The cover of the book mentions Makhan Lal and Jagdish Kishore Mathur as the authors. It was withdrawn after objections from the Sangh itself. Lal had suggested in the book that the RSS, and later the Jan Sangh, were created to 'counter the Muslims'. This had made the Sangh unhappy as it claims the RSS came into being for the 'promotion of Hindutva', rather than to oppose minorities. Sources said another reason for withdrawing the book was that it apparently contained references that were too anti-Muslim even for the RSS.

The progressive exacerbation in anti-Muslim invective and falsification was seen dramatically in the posts of a member of this forum who started attending a shakha. As the weeks went by the hatefulness and outrageousness in his messages kept on rising steeply. If one remembers that there are 60,000 shakhas with 50,000 daily gatherings, one wonders what kind of effect it will have, or is having, on inter-community relations.

This Ray from the Garden of Chi is a self-proclaimed 'nailer of lies' but perceptually and revealingly a 'nailer of truth'. His unabashed cabaret of mimicry doesn't even deserve the status of a badly mounted item number. His I.Q. is marginally close to that of Rakhi Sawant.

04/03/09

"No doubt about that. It was a direct assault on the plural cultural ethos of the very idea of India."

This is the biggest lie sponsored by the Marxist Nehru left lunatics have spread since independence. The tolerance and acceptance of others is the basic Hindu way of life; ask Jews and Parsis. It does not find a place in the other belief system; convert or get killed is the rule till date. We tried to corrrect them but in vain. MA is lying just as he lied about Stalin and Communism for over seventy years. JNU gang is singing hosannas even now for the left ideologies, which is extinct and buried.

“A coward'sway of exit! You guys seem never able to end on a graceful note.”

Anwar miyan, you tried paddling a lie here that shakhas teach more hatred than madarsas.

I refuted and nailed your lie. By no stretch of imagination is this true. It defies logic as people killed in Islamic terror attacks run in thousands and loss to property runs in millions of dollars. In fact, I don’t even have to prove it. Any sane non-blinkered person who reads world newspapers and watches world news knows this.

Then you tried to wriggle out by saying something like “I did not say anything about their lethality”. YOU are the one who is never able to end on a graceful note. You are a pathetic liar and an infernal bore, not to say a cowered.

I am through with you, that is, till you come up with another such blatant lie. Till then, keep frothing at the mouth and keep posting your inanities. Wake up and start drinking. Maybe that will make a more rational and logical person out of you.

04/03/09

"Maybe you have a direct line to the other world just as you have a hotline to this (Cruel-Joke)Maulana (Non)"

Idiot, I have given the quotation. Read. You happen to be incurably silly.

Bagachi,

>> he is like a 5-year old, who when loses an argument resorts to name calling.

A coward'sway of exit! You guys seem never able to end on a graceful note. Good night!

Stopperbhai

Let Anwar miyan be. he is like a 5-year old, who when loses an argument resorts to name calling and thumbing is nose and finally gets into childish retorts just to have the last word, howmuchever stupid it may be.

Thats the misfortume of islam. one one side it has mullahs and on another it has "liberals" like our man here. its a place between a hard wall and a rock.

No wonder even our man here says it will take 100 years for islam to reform. with "liberal and educated" muslims like him, i am not so optimistic.

Stopperbhai,

>> to show other posters in poor taste.

That seems to be your life's mission!

Bagachi,

>> Only don’t lie, because you always get caught.

You and your wishful thinking!

"You had nothing to start with! Stop making an idiot of yourself every few days. It is so senseless."

Okay Sensible Anwar. You continue with your full time “sensible” arguments. Only don’t lie, because you always get caught.

Bagachi,

>> I can see that have run out of even stupid retorts.

You had nothing to start with! Stop making an idiot of yourself every few days. It is so senseless.

correction:

Anyway, I can see that YOU have run out of even stupid retorts and insults now.

"And make a fool of yourself everytime!"

That’s YOUR full time job.

Anyway, I can see that have run out of even stupid retorts and insults now. Its time for you to start drinking and get out from bed…

And next time, think twice before peddling lies on this forum.

Bagachi,

>> I come on this forum (once in a while...

And make a fool of yourself everytime!

“As I told you before, you comr to the forum as if you have something very smart to say, and it turns out you have nothing!”

I come on this forum (once in a while as I am a productive member of my country and cant spare much time on this forum) just to nail some of the blatant lies that you paddle as truths. Its YOU who have nothing smart to say except retort with insults and inanities. You are fooling no one here except perhaps clowns like Awarey Miyan.

Bagachi,

>> My world is much MUCH bigger than the sand hole in which you have chosen to bury your head.

Ha ha ha! As I told you before, you comr to the forum as if you have something very smart to say, and it turns out you have nothing!

"Your world is the world of the frog in the well. Stay happy in it!"

You know you are lying again!!

My world is much MUCH bigger than the sand hole in which you have chosen to bury your head.

Why don’t you, for once, prove me wrong by listing the terrorist activities that “more-hate-spewing-RSS” has done the world over, instead of stupid retorts that you are giving??

Bagachi,

>> who cares? The world at large.

Your world is the world of the frog in the well. Stay happy in it!

"Just see moron Krihnamoorthy's posts for proof!"

I am responsible for Krihnamoorthy's posts only as much as you are responsible for Awarey Miyan's post.

Stop blabbering.

">> They are good enough points.
That shows that you are either a moron or a liar or both."

Aa per your madarsa logic, which turns everything on its head, may be i am.

who cares? The world at large, which is not taught by madarsa, agrees with me.

“All I said was that the shakhas and the RSS run schools are spreading more hate and lies than the madrasas. I did not say anything about their lethality.”

And I nailed your lie on these points only. How come an organization that teaches MOER hatred is LESS lethal? It must only be so by madarsa logic!!

If even after teaching hindu-muslim bhai-bhai, muslim-jews bhai-bhai and muslim-christian bhai-bhai, the madarsa students can carry out terrorist activities of such magnitude, how dangerous can they be as compared to shakhas!!

Stop lying!!!

Bagachi,

>> They are good enough points.

That shows that you are either a moron or a liar or both.

“How come you guys post such stupid and irrelevant arguments with a flourish as if you were making some "so smart" points?”

They are good enough points. Only stupid fools and irrelevant liars like you deny them because of obvious reasons. Just because Teesta thinks that RSS is more dangerous than madarsa taught islamists, it doesn’t make it true. The facts and data point otherwise and the whole sane world is aware of it.

I know your heartburn is coming from the fact that Obama has recruited a certain someone from “RSS background”, despite the hue and cry made from commies and sundry secus, and none from CAIR background, which is a “harmless socio-cultural organization”.

Dear Sir, its Islamists that the world is fearful and cautious of, not shakha students. So much so that thanks to these islamists, an ordinary muslim name on a passport finds many immigration doors slammed on its face these days. Shakha students face no such discrimination because they are a bigger threat than madarsa students only in the eyes of liars and dimwits like you!!

Bagachi,

>> They were ALL madarsa students.

Stop making up stories. There are already enough liars and idiots in this forum. Just see moron Krihnamoorthy's posts for proof!

Anwar
"They were neither shakha students nor madrasa students."

Your response is just a shade better than that of Awarey Miyan, but it still is a LIE.

They were ALL madarsa students. You lie if you say they are not. Kabeel, Sabeel and all those mullahs, despite their modern/subsidized Indian education and degrees like engineering and medicine, either went to madarsas or took private tuitions from mullahs and the result is for all there to see.

I wouldn’t say you are in denial. You are simply lying when you say more hate is taught in shakhas than madarsas. You know it too but your hatered and paranoia of shakha makes you lie through your teeth.

All facts point otherwise and nobody in the world (barring some insignificant commies, secus and of course mullas like you, believes than shakhas teach more hatred than madarsas.

>> It was shakha students who have carried out train bombings in Bombay and other cities in the world.

They were neither shakha students nor madrasa students. How come you guys post such stupid and irrelevant arguments with a flourish as if you were making some "so smart" points?

People - the SLAVE BRIGADISTS in the payroll OF RSS+TALIBAN's CO-COMMAND - gone soft in the head and inhuman in thinking resort to the sort of MIMICRY that you, Bagchi, has.

Anwar’s on-its-head Theorm:

“More hate and lies are taught in shakhas than in madrasas.”

Proof:

On left hand side (LHS)

Fact 1: It was shakha students who bombed buses carrying players.

Fact 2: It was shakha students who have carried out train bombings in Bombay and other cities in the world.

Fact 3: It was shakha students who have driven aeroplanes into building, killing thousands.

Fact 4: It was shakha students who have bombed hotels the world over.

Fact 5: It was shakha students who have bombed embassies the world over.

Fact 6: In fact, all terror activities the world over can be traced to Nagpur in India. All terror links have a shakha imprint.

Fact 7: The world can not sleep peacefully in its bed due to the fear of shakha.

Fact 8: The people killed by shakha students can be counted in thousands and the property destroyed by them can be counted into millions of dollars!!

On right hand side (RHS)

Fact 9: On the other hand, madarsa students are taught Hindu-Muslim bhai-bhai, Muslim-Jews bhai-bhai and Muslim-Christian bhai-bhai. That’s why the countries where these madarsas are most active show exemplary record in takinf care of their minority.

LHS = RHS

Hence proved: More hate and lies are taught in shakhas than in madrasas.

Full marks to Anwar!!

And 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, your distinction between terrorists and separatists would have been truly hilarious but for the fact it is too macabre. For you the LTTEians and the Khalistanis are separatists and not terrorists. You are a bloody KalaNka on the fair name of Bharata-KhaNDa.

Moorkh Hhehha, you are a pseudo-patriot. You do not even know your national anthem. It is not 'utkala-bangaa' as you so pompously spell it out phonetically but 'utkala banga'.

>>>"terrorism began in India with Ashoka's Kalinga war"

Not terrorism, but separatism, like the 'ltte' in ceylon these days!. 'kam lingayati iti kalingah': meaning 'personification of evil'. The place was full of separatists who did not want kalinga-deSa to be part of 'bharata-kanDa' as a land meant to be under one emperor, from time to time. Ashoka did a good job finishng them off; regretted it and espoused buddheism.

This orissa area, later on, became a more devout and peaceful and artful place, as utkala-deSa. [utkala-bangaa, goes the national anthem!], after lord jagannath took residence there; aadi Sankara also established the eastern wing of his mutt there.

utkalah
sat-kalaa-nidhih:

kalaa-laavaNya-gaambheery
a-
viSeshaat kalingah Sritah;
yatra nityam jagan-naatho
raajate bhuvaneSwarah!

"Idiots like you may say that terrorism began in India with Ashoka's Kalinga war"

nobody's saying that except you. It came with the Mullahs. Where there are mullahs there will be terror.

"You are a paranoid psychotic and a moron, besides being a liar."

you are even worse, a terrorist ahole.

"Did we give it to them? Or was it theirs to start with, and all we and they did was to separate?"

they came as barbarians and plundered our lands and finally got a piece of it due to Britain's divide and rule policy. Hindus never asked for their own land. Its always the case with Muslims wherever they are they want to establish a "terroristan".

"Stop kidding yourself."

stop making an ass out of yourself. afterall a terrorist has no shame other than fear for allah as mentioned in koran.

look at all the criticism ppl are pouring at you, you are only adding fuel to the fire with your incendiary support of terror. time to flush the koran down the freakin toilet. Your sewage is just stinking the whole world including this forum.

"When some Hindutavi goons with deep links with Congress atatcked onepub where the girls were on binge,we saw the whole Secu ,Psecu and our Morality brigade beating breasts.The page after page was soiled here with choicest curses for Mutalik ."

they were same ppl who never raised a voice against sexual crimes in a church in Kerala. They were also the same ppl who never bothered to write about the shameful manhandling of Subramanian Swamy inside the Madras HC before 2 HC judges and that too by the lawyers themselves.

"Seculars and socalled intellectual lefties are the biggest knowledeable idiots you can come across. "

they are not idiots. they get paid to act against India.

Bh's quote from Time magazine:>>"on the oncoming Islamic fundamentalism as the future security threat to the whole world... more difficult to deal, because the enemy would be stateless and faceless, unlike communism which at least had borders and identifiable leaders".

Right. But, it cannot be handled by military means, but only sociological educational reforms. The moslem-majority countries have an OIC, orgnizn of islamic countries. What is urgently reqd is for all the non-isl-majority countries to form a an opposite orgnizn of non-isl countries, ONIC. These countries, in conference, should demand that the OIC should take immediate steps to moedernize the madarsa education in all moslem countries and also in moslem enclaves in non-isl countries funded from isl countries, to include correct historical perspectives and avoid mis-perceptions that 'democracy is sin, infidelity, cricket, girls educ etc un-islamic etc. All islamic countries who do not agree for basic educ reforms from primary levels upwards should be subjected to complete economic boycott by all the ONIC members. That will force the OIC to properly reform their primary education. The real roots for islamic terror all over the world will subside in 20 years, just as the street crimes in new york streets subsided sharply, about 20 yrs after abortion of unintended pregnencies was legalized by the state.

Let us rationalise Lahore attack :

Today Musharaf declared that Talibans were armed ,trained and patronised by the Pakistan.

Now Pakistan has become the victim.

2 Why Lankans went to Pakistan when all others teams refused ?

By the way where are our Secular an dpro-Terrorists friends here who were vocal about Pub attack ?

Let us ratinalise Lahore atatck :

1 Terrorists exchnged Fire with Pak Security .police men and Commando died but not a single Terrorists injured .WHY ?

2 There were 12 Terrorists who camE in Autoes .Security did not detect them .They are shown waiting for the bus.They reached near the bus .HOW ?

3.Terrorists had Gernades and Rocket Launhers .Gerndes were thrown but PINS WERE NOT removed.Rocket Launvhers were not fired . Terrorists could have destroyed the bus with one gernde Launched with Launcher . WHY BUS WAS NOT DESTROYED ?

4.Pakistani team travelled in seperate Bus.They were not attacked . WHY ???

5 With in five minutes the Pak Security Agencies were with compelete details of number of attackers,modus operandi etc. HOW THEY GOT THE DETAILS SO QUICKLY ? HOW THEY SAY THAT TH EATTACK WQS LIKE 26/11 ??

WAIT SOON PAKISTAN WILL COME OUT WITH DETAILS OF INDIAN HAND .PAK MUST HAVE in detention some UNFORTUNATE FISHERMEN Indians whom they will now produce as the Lahore attackers !

One of Zardari's Minister has already said that Indians entered via Wagha Border .

From here onwrds the Pakistani agents will take over in India to prove that the attack was by India to avenge 26/11 .

THIS WILL BE THE CUE FOR THE PLUS PLUS WALAS ,SECUS who say Batala House Encounte fake and then they will blame Abhinavies .

Wait and see

LTTE is the most likely orgnzn behind the attack. V.SESHADRI
While I am not debunking your theory I would like to say that if you had watched on TV the body language of those terrorists, it would be clear they are most likely Islamic terrorists Pakistan has been manufacturing 24X7 in their madarsa assembly lines. BHARATHIY.

Right. No wonder if some islamist terrorists in pak are antagonist to sree-lanka govt. In the north-east of sree-lanka, there is moslem enclave encouraging the fight for separate Eelam, so that, later separate out as an 'Is-lanka', also. Same with the southern regions of phillipines and thailand, also. Ummaist islam has become a really big and dangerous problem for the world as a whole.

CPN:>>"The simple answer is that Christian terrorism is perpetrated by the State under the pretension of statecraft under many guises leaving the individual Christians free of that blame"

YOU DO HAVE A POINT.

K_R:>>"" Goons in Lahore have tried to target the Sri Lankan Cricket Team's convoy to Ghaddafi stadium." ... 'Must be Ram Sene or Bajrangi Goons !'"

LTTE is the most likely orgnzn behind the attack.

When some Hindutavi goons with deep links with Congress atatcked onepub where the girls were on binge,we saw the whole Secu ,Psecu and our Morality brigade beating breasts.The page after page was soiled here with choicest curses for Mutalik .

Where are now those Mouses ? They don't even squik even because some muslims Terrorists in Pakisttan are involved in dastardly attack on the Lankans ???? What type of hypocrats are these Seculars ?

No wonder Lashkars,Jehadies ,Talibanies feel free to kill anyone anywhere any time at their whims and fancy !

In my 69 yrs of age I have never seen any worst B'''tds than these Secus !!!

Two days back Dacca before that Sawat before that 26/11 Mumbai and now Lahore .Seems our destiny is in hands of Lashkars ,Talibans and Mujhaidins .Wake up call for the Sub Continent .If normal Laws and normal Policing can't tackle the rapidly aggrevating malice than GILL Theory of Encounters take over !

Alas I don't see any hope otherwise.Enough of morality brigade and Himan Rights wallas !

EITHER KILL OR BE KILLED !

Look up the history of terrorism in India…… the terrorism practised by the extremist fringe within the Muslim community was virtually non-existent prior to LKA's Ram Rath

MOHAN AWARA
NEW DELHI INDIA

You got the right answer to it from Ghai

But consider another fact. As you refuse to know, the congress party controlled by ‘your sister-in-law Sonia Gandhi leaves no opportunity to look for and find terrorism under the ‘Hindu carpet’ even though it remains only a charge which is yet to be proved. But assuming for argument sake there are Hindu terrorists too in India we come to the curious conclusion that terrorism is an abomination capable of being committed by Hindus and Muslims. That leaves us wondering why the followers of Christianity seem to be remaining unaffected with that vice.

The simple answer is that Christian terrorism is perpetrated by the State under the pretension of statecraft under many guises leaving the individual Christians free of that blame because terrorism as we understand is the game of fanatical individuals and not attributable to states unless such states are non Christians ‘say north Korea

Take for example the record of the U.S. It has been bombing many Muslim states at will single handedly and in the company of Christian coalition forces killing innocents for no sin of theirs as a retribution against perceived atrocities of a few. So there is no need for individual Christians to function as terrorists as their states do the dirty work for them unlike in the case of Muslims or even Hindus to force them to take the law into their hands.

What I want to say is that if ,say, Saudi Arabia, had as much military might as the U.S to take revenge against atrocities against their fellow Muslims, I think the present Muslims terrorists would be spending their time playing with their children on their knees instead of taking up arms. The same will be the case with a few Hindus who are being accused as terrorists .In other words Christianity is the mother of all terrorism and Hindu and Muslim terrorism are her offspring in our present times

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>>>> "What kind of animals would shoot at cricketers ? '
>> They are theest quality products of Sharia and Islam ! A few visited us on 26/11 .

They are venmous snakes, just like yourself.

>> I saw it in 1947 and now I am seeing in 2009 ! for this Zinnah seperated from us.

Your psychotic mind seems to jumble everything up in one big amorphpus mass.

"What kind of animals would shoot at cricketers ? '

They are the finest quality products of Sharia and Islam ! A few visited us on 26/11 .

Very disturbing news from Lahore. What kind of animals would shoot at cricketers?

"Sri Lankan cricket team under terrorist attack!"

It seems that pseudos are overpowering the main streamers.

Tough time for all.

" Goons in Lahore have tried to target the Sri Lankan Cricket Team's convoy to Ghaddafi stadium. "

Must be Ram Sene or Bajrangi Goons !

News has just trickled in that the Fasci-Pseudo-Muslim Goons in Lahore have tried to target the Sri Lankan Cricket Team's convoy to Ghaddafi stadium.

You really are TWO CLEVER BY HALF HHEHHA the HAZY MIRROR YAMADOOTA! Incurable so terminally have you lapsed into BAD MIMICRY and POOR ETYMOLOGY!

M_A:>>"Interpretive addresses"

Such a wastage of intellectual energy and effort!

M_A:>>"if tomorrow he decides to actually set up a plant in Swat"

nothing can be better for the poor of talibania, especially the girls there. In fact, if only the great folk of iran could become parsis again and restart worshipping the sun interpretting 'allah ho akbar', as the 'lord of the only source of light [eka-bhaah]' for the solar system, they would become a constructive force for the middle-east world, instead of just waiting to bomb israel and then go for the virgins in heaven. No relig or nation, based on hatred, can progress or survive over time.

A_P:>>"falsified sanghi history!"

Any justifiable corrections on islamphile jnu-marxists' history will be interpretted as sanghi falsifications, by people like you. Only civilizns which allow and benefit by self-criticizm, for improvements, will survive and succeed over millennia. Complacency will lead to weakness and decay over time.

Parsi Tata jumps from the Communist Buddho to Communalist Muddo - what can one say about him. Just look at his quality of choice. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow he decides to actually set up a plant in Swat and subsequently declare the demented Maulana a potential Prime Ministerial material as he did with regard to your 'civilized' Modi.

Interpretive address: 1) V. Sheshadri = 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota; 2) Stopperbhai = StopperLax; 3) Sagacious = Double-I (Or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance) the Impudent Imprudent; 4) AR Ghai = Baba Greasy; 5) Khushi Ram = Dukhiya Ambalvi; 6) Banitoadolfo = MussoHitler; 7) Look Bug Me Not = LBMN

A_P:>>"Nothing is more foolish than .. saying that one is more modern than the other".

How come, then, that parsi Tata is taking his nano plant to gujarat and not the swat valley, which only attracts the american drone-bombs?

Ghai is an upbhramsha variant of the Sanskrit 'ghrut'. Its exact meaning is the cooking oil gone putrid and no longer edible or even usable.

Seshadri,

>>>> Bith Hindus and Muslims need to be more honest about our history"
>> Your typical tendency to add 'hindu' also when you have anything bad to say, about moslems.

You yourself are one of the worst exponents of falsified sanghi history! Stop kidding yourself.

Nothing is more foolish than comparing a demented inhuman madrassa murderer like the (cruel-joke)Maulana (non)Sufi to a death distributing hate pracharak like the (Pseudo-Hindu)Hrudaya Samraat Modi from the smithy of the RSS and saying that one is more modern than the other.

M_A:>>"Baba Greasy - brevity is the soul of wit only when used with wisdom"

whom are you referring to as 'baba greasy' ?
why do you have to give your own silly names to other posters on this form?

A_P:>>"Bith Hindus and Muslims need to be more honest about our history"

Your typical tendency to add 'hindu' also when you have anything bad to say, about moslems. You know that history taught in madarsas is only cooked up 'stories'. You would just say rss schools must be teaching similarly cooked-up pro-hindu stuff.

proof of pudding is in the eating. compare the typical madarsa product, the sufi mohammed leader of SWAT with the typical rss product narendra modi CM of gujarat. who is more civilized and modern in values and perceptions.
madaras educaton badly needs modernizn.

Allah is Siva only. But, quran given by gabriel [narada] to nabhi [ravan] is not of the same spiritual standing as the Gita given by Kr [vishnu=Siva] to arjun [indra's son]; while abu baker and other sunna-makers further degraded the quality of islamic perceptions, vyasa and Suka had ensured that gita's teachings were preserved at purely and highly spiritual level. Hence, hindus have been able to follow their holy book much more effectively than moslems.

A reminder to double-I:
Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance)Impudent Imprudent, Mr Arnold Toynbee whom you admire so much as a supporter of the demolition of the Babri Mosque at Ayodhya dies full 17 years before the dastardly act. Maybe you have a direct line to the other world just as you have a hotline to this (Cruel-Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi in Swat.

Seshadri,

>> Hindu kings destroying temples? absurd interpolations. hindus wont destroy any shrines of worship, of any religion.

When will you stop your fairytales? Bith Hindus and Muslims need to be more honest about our history.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> We gave them the most prosperous and best cultivatable lands.

Did we give it to them? Or was it theirs to start with, and all we and they did was to separate? Is your 'afsos' just another way of expressing hate?

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> Terrorism came to India with the arrival muslim invaders.

Idiots like you may say that terrorism began in India with Ashoka's Kalinga war! Hatred has made you blind enogh to think that events like Ayodhya and Gujerat have no consequences. Or perhaps you are just lying.

>> The demolishion has been approved by no less than Arnold Toynbee, quoting the precedent of the catholic church in Poland.

What a stupid statement! You have to run to a British historian for a stamp of approval for your actions. You are truly retarded.

>> UK is a dhimmi state and it is paying jaziaa.

You are a paranoid psychotic and a moron, besides being a liar.

correction: 'falls flat'

Baba Greasy - brevity is the soul of wit only when used with wisdom. Asinine brevity - such as mimicry - that you practise fall flat on its face. It is still not too late especially as you have retired to enroll as a student in the department of political philosophy or cultural studies at Mumbai University.

You in an uncanny similarity to your 'brothers' in arms in Swat, peddle ideology of hate and exult at death and destruction in a danse macabre. The exodus of Pandits from Kashmir remains a very sad and dark chapter in the recent history of India. No doubt about that. It was a direct assault on the plural cultural ethos of the very idea of India. Having said that, you and your ilk are doing something dangerously similar.

As for your brand of unending LIES StopperLax, the 95% Muslims whom you identify as the descendants of the invaders, if you had any access to knowledge you would have without much difficulty known, were indigenous converts.
Despite your asseveration to the contrary, you seem to so hatefully conflate all forms of terrorism with Islam and thereby with the Muslims at large. Yours and your ilks hate mails are eloquent testimonies to that fact.
You are the ones who unabashedly applaud the death of Hemant Karkares and the dastardly assassination of Indira Gandhi.

YOU are, as I have said time and again, a FASCI-PSEUDO-HINDU - a Slave Brigadists of the combined command of the RSS and the TALIBANS.

But Baba Greasy YOU are NOT A HINDU! That much is certain.

"My land is India "

You are post 26/11 product here.You are just assigne dto post anti Hindu posta an increas ethe Hindu Muslim Divide .

My land is India - not exactly as unalloyed as your Swat and detoxified headquarters at Nagpur and Muridke. My land is India - plural, diverse, tolerant and delectably impure. The greatest threat to this our land comes from purists like 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, Baba Greasy Ghai, Dukhiya Ambalvi, StopperLax, Eyeless ITNO Ignorance, MussoHitler. As for Greasy Baba, he has obviously not read Rajtarangini by Kalhan.

PART 3:

BAWREY you have earned two hundered lashes for your lies at the hands of Talibans .

"Senior government officials concede that the writ of the state has completely broken down, as a large number of police officers and local officials have left their jobs for fear of their lives. Seventy police officers have been killed – most of them beheaded – by militants, last year alone. Their decapitated bodies were exhibited to inculcate fear among others. In some cases, police and local government officials place advertisements in local newspapers, renouncing their jobs. “It is the only way a man can save his family’s and his own life,” remarks a police officer, who deserted his post recently and is now residing in Peshawar.

At least 800 policemen – half the strength of the district police force – have deserted their posts. So deep is the fear of the Taliban that all 600 police commandos, specially trained by the military to serve in Swat, refused to join their duty this month. Clinics and hospitals have been closed down because of the refusal of doctors and paramilitary staff to serve in the affected areas. “The absence of a government has provided an open field to the militants,” says Khalid Aziz, a former chief secretary of the province.

Unlike the remote semi-autonomous tribal region, Swat, with a population of 1.3 million, is a part of the NWFP which is governed by a coalition government led by the ANP. But the government seems to have abdicated its responsibility to the militants. Most of the local nazims and members of the national and provincial assemblies have fled the area, leaving the local population at the mercy of the marauders. A provincial assembly member of the ANP, last month in an advertisement in a local newspaper, thanked the Taliban for sparing his life. Afzal Khan, a veteran politician, is the only one to have stayed in his village, despite several assassination attempts on his life.

The federal government also seems to have little understanding of the unfolding situation and the threat to national security posed by the rising militancy. There is no coherent policy to deal with the worsening situation in Swat and other parts of the NWFP. No federal or provincial government leader has bothered to visit the troubled area, further fuelling the demoralisation among the people.

Islamabad sent thousands of troops at the end of 2007 to quell the insurgency led by Maulana Fazlullah, a fiery Wahhabi cleric, also known as Mullah Radio for his sermons on FM radio. The long-haired, 33-year-old cleric started out as a preacher a few years ago, but gained huge popularity among the local population with his powerful speeches, broadcast from his illegal radio station. Subsequently, he raised a militant force to wage a holy war against the Pakistani state. "


http://www.newsline.com...eb2009/coverfeb2009.htm

PART 2:

Mian Bawrey see how your Puristan is being destroyed .

"Watching television, singing and dancing, shaving beards and allowing girls to attend school have all been proscribed as un-Islamic activities. “Anyone resisting them is punished with death,” says Zubair Toorwali, an official of an NGO, who fled his home in the Madian district of Swat, following threats from the militants.

The names of those who have already been executed by the Taliban for violating their decrees and those they plan to kill next, are regularly broadcast on their FM radio, which is used by the militants as a tool for spreading fear among the population. Every night, terrified residents listen to the transmission to find out if any of their kin are on the dreaded list.

Among those slain recently was a local dancer known as Shabana. Her body was dumped in the square, after she was brutally murdered. “She deserved death for her immoral character,” proclaimed the Taliban radio.

People are commonly killed for not complying with a retrogressive code of conduct prescribed by the Taliban. Amjad Islam, a school teacher in Mingora, was shot dead for refusing to pull up his shalwar above his ankle, which the militants believed was against the Shariah.

All educational institutions, in the region have been shut down after the Taliban banned girls’ education declaring it to be un-Islamic. Parents were warned of dire consequences if the restriction was flouted.

“Female education is against Islamic teachings and spreads vulgarity in society,” declared Shah Dauran, a Taliban spokesman, in his daily broadcast on radio.

Militants have blown up more than 185 schools since the start of the army operation last year. This has affected at least 80,000 female students and thrown some 8,000 female teachers in unemployment. “We don’t have any future,” says Mah Gul, a female school teacher who now lives in Peshawar. The violence has forced some 300,000 people to leave their homes. “There is no one left in my village, except for the Taliban,” says Sarfraz Khan, another local."

Part 1 : " Paradise Lost



By Zahid Hussain




Valley of Death


Residents of Mingora often wake up to find bodies of those executed by the militants slung from electric poles in the town’s central square in the full view of the military, with a note of warning not to remove them till midday. Some 28 people, most of them women, have been executed over the past few months and their bodies thrown in the square which is now known as ‘Zibahkhana Chowk’, or Slaughter Square.

Bakht Zeba, a former member of Swat district council, virtually signed her death warrant when she criticised the Taliban for preventing girls from attending school. On November.26, masked gunmen dragged her out of her house in the Mulakabad area of Mingora, brutally thrashing her before shooting her in the head. Her body lay there for several hours.

Zeba, who also ran an NGO, was made an example of, for daring to defy the militants. She was yet another victim of the Taliban reign of terror, which has swept the scenic Swat valley. Educated women like Zeba are being particularly targeted. “For a woman, even to come out of her house is considered a crime by the militants,” says Sarfraz Khan, a professor at Peshawar University, who comes from a village in the restive area.

Executions and public beheadings of government officials, soldiers, alleged spies and criminals are frequently used by the militants to terrorise the population into submission.

The rising Taliban influence in one of the most progressive and culturally rich, former princely states, comes as a serious blow to Pakistan’s battle against militancy. More people have been killed in Swat by the militants than in Gaza by Israeli forces. An estimated 1,500 people have, so far, perished in the fighting raging for the past 18 months.

Pakistani army troops deployed in the area have failed to stop the rampaging Taliban, who now control a large swath of 5,337 square kilometres in the valley, less than 200 miles from Islamabad. The militants established their own courts to dispense ‘Islamic justice,’ as the government’s control faltered "

"the terrorism practised by the extremist fringe within the Muslim community was virtually non-existent prior to LKA's Ram Rath '

Bawery

We consider Kashmir as part of india unlike you Pakistanies.Terrorism was in Kashmir pirior to Rth Yatra.

"Kalhan's Rajtarangini is there for all to read "

Read .There is nothing in it about what you say.

Look up the history of terrorism in India and you will find that but for the Extremists killers owing allegiance to Sikhism and the Naxalites, the terrorism practised by the extremist fringe within the Muslim community was virtually non-existent prior to LKA's Ram Rath

Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India.

MOHAN AWARA
NEW DELHI INDIA

By making a foolish claim like the above you are exposing your Achilles’ heel because it leads to an endless regression as to the cause and effect of terrorism.

For example I can blame it on Prophet Mohammed for establishing a religion like Islam which entailed on his adherents a seat near to Allah in heavens if they had helped to destroy the ‘temples of Satan’ among other similar acts dear to Allah , during a short period of seventy or eighty years they infested the earth. Probably that may make you wish there was some new technology to bomb me through the Internet.

But though I don’t revere Mohammed I respect him for some other reason. He was living during a time when the mighty Roman military machine carrying the flag of Christianity was marching through out the length and breadth of Europe as also in the middle east led by Christian Bishops intend on destroying all religions and Gods of the Pagans for the glory of their new God.. They smashed the idols of old gods before the eyes of their worshippers to show them the futility of worshipping gods who are not even capable of taking care of themselves. Nothing could be more convincing than that to switch to the new god.

Mohammed in his immense wisdom new no gods or religion will survive against such a military religion till another military religion was established to counter it. His answer was a new religion which forbade its followers from worshipping any idols and wait for their time. The march of Christianity was stalled because there was nothing to be destroyed to prove the superiority of their god to the Arabs. And followers of Mohammed paid their enemies in their own coin later. And now history repeats itself. The Muslims are now on the run again.

In their rage and panic, the fundamentalist Muslims seem to have become more foolish to believe that nations will surrender to them if they kill innocent individuals. The ‘trigger’ of terrorism in India is not Ramjanmabhumi but the infinite stupidity of their perpetrators and the horrendous lack of humanity in them.

Kalhan's Rajtarangini is there for all to read.

M_A:>"Hindu Temples were descrated, looted and destroyed by the Hindu Kings themselves in your very own Kashmir"

Hindu kings destroying temples? absurd interpolations. hindus wont destroy any shrines of worship, of any religion, not even churches or mosques in active worship. the babri masjid, built on a demolished temple, was not in worship-use at all, when demolished. in my opinion, even the attacks of temples attributed to chr, or on churches to hindus, could be only by moslems, trained to hate all idols of worship, hindu deities inside temples or mother-Mary statues with christ in her hand and cross in his hand, outside many churches, or ancient buddheist sculptures on mountain sides!. .

'The Taliban is creeping into the heartland of Pakistan. And what makes the people of Pakistan, particularly the more aware civil society, despondent is the awareness that there is no one in a position to stop the onward march. The recent deal between the Zardari government and the Taliban in Swat, brokered by the Awami National Party, has created widespread resentment amongst the progressive sections of society, who see in it a total surrender and, as many of them said, a clear indication that the government had abdicated its responsibility.

It is common knowledge on the streets of Pakistan now that the Taliban are just moments away from Peshawar and already spreading their wings in southern Punjab. Posters have appeared in the villages around Lahore supporting the Taliban and their social and moral code that includes beards for men, and no education or rights for women. "

Any answere the defnders of ?

II : "Civil society that is extremely critical of terrorism and admits very openly of the involvement of Pakistan’s terror groups, is clear that this cooperation would help stem the tide as it would strengthen the political and democratic forces to effectively counter the Taliban and the jihadis.

New Delhi has adopted the ‘wait and watch’ approach with government policy clearly reflected in its refusal to heed this plea. The government here continues to favour the army and even former President General Musharraf, who is still hated on the streets of Pakistan, even though it knows that it cannot conduct direct talks with the men in uniform. The assessment justifying inaction, that “if we help the process of peace there will be another terror attack in India”, is strange and inexplicable but sums up official government policy. Who should we talk to, is the other argument for inaction and that, to some extent, gets justified when the PPP uses the courts to get rid of the PML-N government in Punjab. Interestingly, there was widespread dismay all around – even amongst those who had supported the PPP – when the Supreme Court disqualified Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz, and President Asif Ali Zardari stepped in to impose governor’s rule in the Punjab. Not a single person, outside the core group around Zardari, supported the move with the consensus that this would further strengthen the army and the Taliban gaining ground.

President Zardari is vying for the ‘most disliked politician’ post in Pakistan. His honeymoon with the people, and even sections of his own party, is over and he is emerging as an autocrat who is not working for the larger good of the country. He is surrounded by a clique of favourite politicians and his own family, who are the only persons he appears to trust. He does not seem to be in command of the situation or even willing to acknowledge the growing threat to Pakistan’s secular polity, as the recent action against the Sharif brothers demonstrates. Instead of consolidating the political forces to pressure the army and fight the Taliban, Zardari has added to the conflict and divisiveness within Pakistani society.

The fear of a Taliban take over is real. The truce has delayed the process, but perhaps only temporarily. It is not expected to work on the ground for long, and can only strengthen the Taliban that has ensured that its writ has now the mandate of the government. The courts have been closed in Peshawar, the schools are closed with girls being discouraged from attending, brutal assassinations are being carried out with the government watching helplessly from Islamabad.

Any sane person in India will realise that the growth of the Taliban in Pakistan will not secure India. Increased terrorism and the resultant growth of communalism in this country will be immediate results, leading to divisiveness and instability all around. It is therefore, imperative for the government of India to wake up to the dangers before these reach our doors, and formulate a policy that strengthens peace and the democratic forces in the region. Military action is never a solution, as probably even the United States can vouch for after the invasion of Iraq."


http://thenews.jang.com...ly_detail.asp?id=165245


If Military action is not the solution then perhaps we should welcome Islamic Hordes with candles on Wagha Border ??

M_A:>>"And, of corse, 'ka' is not always evil in Sanskrit"

Before you ask me, I might explain myself why the word 'kalyaaNa' standing for 'marriage' and 'kalyaaN' meaning welfare in hindi, also starts with the syllable 'ka'.

kalim yaatayati, kali-yaatana-vrittih, iti kalyaaNah. a state which makes evil to depart for good. rocano rocamaanah kalyaaNah, goes the upanishadic statement.
'kleem' kayaaNyai namah om, is part of the navaaksharee mantra. The excess aaNavam or ego in the male is nuetralized and disciplined by the excess spirituality or aanmeeka present in the mother-minded female, bringing happiness with health and discipline as part of married life, getting kids and brnging them up also in love and commitment to productive and progressive sociodynamics.

61 years back Muslims got their Madre Wattan .We gave them the most prosperous and best cultivatable lands.Muslimsbroke pakistan into 2 .killed 3o0lacs Muslims and raped 10 lac girls.A typical Muslim trait.

Now furthe rdestruction of LAND of PURES is being done by the PURES themselves. SDimilar streek we find here in India too.Clergy is asking for another 1947 .

Hordes of Believers like medivial ages are already trumpling Pakistan .NEXT INDIA ??

" What the people of Pakistan think about the Taliban


Monday, March 02, 2009
Seema Mustafa

The tide is turning for the people of Pakistan. And the fear and apprehension is palpable as soon as one crosses the Wagah border into Lahore. The enthusiasm, hope and even joy visible just last February during the general elections have been replaced in less than a year with despair, and a realization that all is not well. What makes it worse is a sense of disillusionment with the political leadership that has embedded itself in narrow conflict and strife, and not stood up to the challenge of providing a stable and responsive government.

The Taliban is creeping into the heartland of Pakistan. And what makes the people of Pakistan, particularly the more aware civil society, despondent is the awareness that there is no one in a position to stop the onward march. The recent deal between the Zardari government and the Taliban in Swat, brokered by the Awami National Party, has created widespread resentment amongst the progressive sections of society, who see in it a total surrender and, as many of them said, a clear indication that the government had abdicated its responsibility.

It is common knowledge on the streets of Pakistan now that the Taliban are just moments away from Peshawar and already spreading their wings in southern Punjab. Posters have appeared in the villages around Lahore supporting the Taliban and their social and moral code that includes beards for men, and no education or rights for women.

The army is either complicit, or unable to take action with strategic experts divided through the middle on this issue. All agree that the terrain and inexperience in counterinsurgency operations is deterring effective army operations, but one view is that this is matched by the absence of determination and commitment to fight the Taliban.

The other view is that the army is still playing with the extremist forces, and using this to put pressure on the political leadership so that it can eventually get back into the seat of power in Islamabad. The truth probably lies in the middle as there are indications — from the 1500 or more soldiers who have died in battle — that there is some level of seriousness within the army to fight this war. But at the same time there are stories of how the army is using the operations to acquire more funds and more weaponry from the United States.

The one almost frantic plea heard across the board — from political parties and civil society — was that India should realise the problem Pakistan was facing and resume the peace process. There was all-round condemnation of the Mumbai terror attack from every possible quarter, accompanied with the demand that India should agree to have joint investigation with Pakistan. The argument was that this would ease some of the pressure on Pakistan, give the political government manoeuvring space within the country and force the army to admit its responsibility instead of using the “we have to place our forces on the eastern border and so do not have enough man power to tackle the Taliban” argument. "next

Look up Kalhan's Rajtarangini and see for yourself how many Hindu Temples were descrated, looted and destroyed by the Hindu Kings themselves in your very own Kashmir. Since you are a CONGENITAL LIAR, you will, I'm sure, bury your head in sand and declare Rajtarangini to be a colonial trick.

Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance)Impudent Imprudent, Mr Arnold Toynbee whom you admire so much as a supporter of the demolition of the Babri Mosque at Ayodhya dies full 17 years before the dastardly act. Maybe you a direct line to the other world just as you have a hotline to this (Cruel-Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi in Swat.

M_A:>>"kamal as ka+mal"

kam malayati iti 'kamala', rejects evil as dirt, ka = evil, mala = the shit to be discarded. the lotus rises beautifully from even the dirty pond, pure and fragrant, dirt does not stick to it, not even the water from the pond!. ‘kamale, kamalaalaye’, goes the mahaalakshmi mantra, since, like the lotus out of the pond, She arose from the samudra-mathana by divines and demons; pure good and progress-force for real wealth and welfare for mankind, coming out due to evil forces being opposed by pro-active goodness forces. Same thing will happen, after the current churnings, taking place in the international waters, die down.

There is a ‘kaapaaleeSwara’ temple in chennai.
kapaala-hastah kaapaalee, kalmashaaNaam apaalakah.
‘Kaapaalee’ stands for non-protection of evil!, a-paalaka of ka.
But most tamils simply say ‘kapaalee’, meaning protector of evil only. No wonder TN is only full of 'kazhagams' of all kinds, DMK, ADMK, PMK and many others!
kam zhakayati iti kazhaka! in tamil, a-zhaku is beauty! zhakayati stands for non-beautifying, ugly-fying only. I can assure you there is really only a competitive contest among these kazhagams for the uglification of the state in various ways.
only the judges of the high court have not yet come out for beating up the state ministers, or vice versa, as yet!.

Things might become better, if the name ‘kapaaleeSwara’ for the temple is replaced by 'ka-apaaleeSwara'. But, the MK wont agree to any such thing, since he does not believe in such ‘spiritual superstitions’ based on a ‘dead language’ some people are still using called, sanskrit. That his own name is only in sans, is a different matter, altogether!

02/03/09

"Hardly anyone in England will notice!"

That is why they remain blissfully unaware that:

> shariaa is replacing the British laws
> Gert Welders is not allowed but Anjem Chowdhry is allowed to lead the procession
> welfare payouts and bigger accomadation is given to the terrorists and their families at the expense of the tax payers

UK is a dhimmi state and it is paying jaziaa.

02/03/09

"Lal Krishna’s bloody Rath Yatra where provocative slogans such as: ‘Babar Ki ....."

Idiot. The demolishion has been approved by no less than Arnold Toynbee, quoting the precedent of the catholic church in Poland. Read my earlier comment. You are brainless compared with Toynbee. How many temples the muslims have demolished in the Kashmir valley during the last thirty years; it numbers around five hundred. We can still have the balance left.

02/03/09

"Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India."

Rubbish. Terrorism came to India with the arrival muslim invaders. Idiot, read the history; in 1921, there was no Ram Janmaboomi and still moplas killed more than 5000 Hindus and raped hundreds of women in Kerala.

"Yamadoota+StopperLax+Eyeless ITNO Ignorance+MussoHitler+Baba Greasy+Dukhiya+LBMN Ambalvi+Mrs Pitara
Somewhat aligned to Lord Vishnu:


=============
"Kumar+Anwar+Mohan+Ramzan

to Lord Shiva"

?????? 20-20 teams ?????

"The problem with you is that you have still not been able to identify the root of kali so far. "

Anarkali ?

And, of corse, 'ka' is not always evil in Sanskrit.

Going by your warped etymology, if we were to dissect kamal as ka+mal, will it be right then to interpret the lotus as the ka (evil)+ mal(dirt)? Obviously, that is not the case. The problem with you is that you have still not been able to identify the root of kali so far.

But 2c/h, the fact of the matter is that he is the avtar of Lord Bramha. Is he or is he not? Or is he not the negative manifestation of Vishnu? In which case Vishnu is not all white. If Vishnu and Kali are antagonistic, why did Krishna pledge his hapless army to him - Kali's avtar Duryodhana i.e.?

Hardcore followers of Lord Brahma on Raves & Rants: 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota+StopperLax+Eyeless ITNO Ignorance+MussoHitler+Baba Greasy+Dukhiya+LBMN Ambalvi+Mrs Pitara
Somewhat aligned to Lord Vishnu: Kumar+Anwar+Mohan+Ramzan
to Lord Shiva: S Reddy
to Narada: Dip Da

M_A:>>"The lexical meaning of Kali is 'blackness'"

Ka, standing for evil, also stands for blackness, since satan is also the prince of darkness. karuppu = black, in tamil also.
Kaalee, the angry-lady killer of extremely evil forces, is always pronounced as 'kaalee' only, athough written in english as kali.

parvati, like vishnu, her brother, also krishna, seen as dark blue cloud colour nor dark black. The divine mother appeared only as 'aruNaa', karunaa-tarangita-akshee, bright red in radiance with mercy in Her eyes, while arriving to fight the ‘asuras’ and kill them, so that the divine 'sura' types could do their jobs properly in universal maintenance. At one stage of the battle, one of the asuras who came in to fight Her, was rakta-beeja, the blood-progenitor, every drop of blood from his body turning into another asura like him, filling the areana with thousands of asuras!. Durga then gets extremely angry and releases ‘bhadra-kaalee’, as a black angry woman, with a very long and flowing tongue, with which she swiped all the blood-born asuras on the field and swallowed them up. This is sculptured and pictured in the kaalee temples in calcutta and elsewhere in bengal.

Your theresa-type converter-folk could have utilized this angry form of the divine in hinduism, to convert a lot of hindu bengalis to worship, instead, mother Mary of the more benevelont form. but ‘maaree’ is also only another name form of durga, the divine mother destroyer of evil, 'dushTaan gamayati iti'. [you wont find these in the engl-man's lexicon for sansk]. The crooked conveters to the church and cruel fasadists of islam also come only under the category of evil people to be destroyed by durga. No wonder, mother theresa could not find herself at peace with jesus = EeSah = skanda, in the late years of her life, altho the pope has made her a saint.

>>" Satyawati, the mother of Vyasa"
was a fisherwoman, darkskinned bec of sun-tan; vyasa's dad had to use her as consort to give birth to vyasa, since the auspicious time for an epoch-maker rishi's birth had come, when he was with her on a boat; after vyasa was born, she was re-virginized by paraasara, blessed with such beauty and fairness that the king of the land, santanu, the dad of bhishma, fell in love with her and bhishma took the vow of celebacy to bring about his dad's marriage with her!

BTW, will it be right to say that these lethal attributes Krodh (Anger), Dambha (Vanity), Maya (Illusion), Adharma (Impropriety), Mithya (Falsehood) that went into the formation of Kali have been further consolidated in 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, StopperLax, Baba Greasy, Eyeless ITNO Ignorance, Dukhiya Ambalvi, LBMN, Mrs Pitara etc.?

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, why is the Kalki purana overflowing with narratives of incest? Any takes on that?

Kali is the great-great grandson of Lord Brahma. He is the son of Krodha (Anger) and his sister-turned-wife Himsa (Violence). He is the grandson of Dambha (Vanity) and his sister-turned-wife, Maya (Illusion). He is the great-grandson of Adharma (Impropriety) and his wife, Mithya (Falsehood). Adharma was originally created from Lord Brahma's back as a Maleen Pataka (a very dark and deadly sinful object).

Your explanation of Krishna pledging his army to Kauravas knowing full-well that it would eventually be decimated by his own strategems is, to put it mildly, deeply offensive. Surely you can come up with a more fertile and charitable explanation than the one you have given here.

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota - you are into delusion once again. The lexical meaning of Kali is 'blackness' (sic); ink, black ink; an epithet of Parvati, Shiva's wife, a row of black clouds, a woman with a dark complexion; name of Satyawati, the mother of Vyasa; night

M_A:>>"What is the root word of kali? And where does ‘kaalee’ originate from?

'Ka' stands for evil. 'kam lingayati iti kalih', kali personifies evil, as duryodhana himself was seen to be. When he came toknow that the pandavas had escaped from the wax-house fire he had planned for them, he simply got all those associated with the failed mission simply executed!

kam aalyati iti kaalah = time. Evil always subsides with time, as a law of nature. That is why, good, truth, satyam = santum yogyam iti satyam, deserving to survive [as per law of the survival of the fittest], always prevails, given enough time, satyam eva jayate, we say.
kam raajayati it 'karat', your friend, who empowers communist evil [kam munayati iti, preaches evil] over india.

kaala-roopiNe maata = kaalee, the divine-mercy mother-force which ensures, enforces, the decay of evil with time. hence, also mahaa-kaalee.

kaala-ateetayaa akaalee, implies the force associated with the absolute which transcends both space and time. Only when I propitiated this akaalee force in the akat-takt in amritsar, in medit on a caturdasi evening, bhindranwala troubling the country sitting there got killed on the next ashTami day!.

sanskrit is deva-bhaashaa, veda-roopaa. dayaayaam eva vartate, vardhate ca iti devah. read the third chapter of the gita. vedyam dadaati iti vedah.

Sorry about calling you Shesha, 2c/h tH Yamadoota! Sincere apologies!

Shesha I have given you conclusive evidence from the Mahabharata itself about what a useless human being and unjust mind this Yudhishthir was and you go on about his rule being established in justice. Are you dimwit or something.

Seshadri,

>> those who were born and living only to kill others in fight, as 'kshatriyas', whom you call 'innocent', could well have been made to kill one-another by god's will, so that killings in the country, in general, will come down sharply and the remnant of the population could concentrate on 'productive' efforts like farming.

Is this any way to explain the ways of God? You will give God a bad name!

M_A:>>"How can getting your own army killed for no fault of their own by your own strategems be an act of humanism?"

bec, at the end of the war, duryodhana's army, twice as big as that of the paandava army, was also killed, along with duryodhana [fighter for evil], duhSaasana [swearer for evil] etc. The bharata-kanda was totally placed under the rule of yudhishTira [established in justice], good emperor.

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, you seem to be making some very profound distinction between ‘kali’ and ‘kaalee’ without being able to actually carry it off. What is the root word of kali? And where does ‘kaalee’ originate from?

Your solution to the population problem is the most amusing that I have come across in a long long time. Imagine if you were running this country, you will keep your army permanently engaged in self-annihilating warfare so that the problem of population doesn’t go out of hand. Alarming!

M_A:>>"Also you seem to have something against the goddess Kali".

Your knowledge of hinduism and sanskrit seems to be extremely poor and perepheral, like that of romila thapar. You are mistaking 'kali', the doer-of-evil, devil=satan, with 'devee' ='kaalee', the mother goddess dominating time and in the space-time absolute. [kaala = time, in sans]

>>"How does getting your entire innocent army getting willfully killed is an act of humanity?"

My explanations are not entering you thick skull.
Read them again. Anyway, you can understand that, those who were born and living only to kill others in fight, as 'kshatriyas', whom you call 'innocent', could well have been made to kill one-another by god's will, so that killings in the country, in general, will come down sharply and the remnant of the population could concentrate on 'productive' efforts like farming. Krishna was god for whole humanity, not just for the yaadava army in dwaaraka.

For example, india, today, is being ruined by people, like yourself, calling themselves 'politicians', forming miriad parties and fighting for supremacy in power, in governments, public enterprises, commercialized cooleges in eng/tech med/mgmt, in the legal profession and in NGOs and police forces, in land-scams, stamp-scams etc., draining the country's resources for their own criminalized corrupt projects, inflating the economy while deflating the standards of living and welfare of the really hardworking people in the country. Imagine that God's will suddenly decides to provoke a 'mad-cow disease' in india which kills most beef-eaters in the country within a fortnight!. India might suddenly become a better place to live in, for all the other devout and humane indians, to work hard and derive the benefits thereof, without their being sucked off by bala-adheekshaka and phala-adheekshaka [power-seekers, fruit-seekers] type politicians. Old fools, like me, can only pray for the best of the country and the world. May God's will be done.

The Draupadi of the Vana Parva homily is not the fire-born Yajnaseni, but a product of the post-Manu Samhita period where the wife is but the husband’s chattel, not his companion, let alone becoming even his guide where need be. The image of women in the original stratum of the epic is that which is etched out in the words of Shakuntala, as she upbraids Dushyanta for fickleness.

Also 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, What we find at the core of the epic is the traumatic agony of a nathavati anathavat, a woman five-husbanded yet husband-less at precisely those moments of extreme anguish when the very meaning of womanhood and the significance of being a saha-dharmini is at stake.

It is this man who does not hesitate to send a 16-year old to break the wheel-formation of Drona that even Bhima cannot demolish, knowing that Abhimanyu cannot break out of it. He nearly gambles away a dearly won pyrrhic victory by announcing to Duryodhana that he may choose any one of the five to fight, and if he wins, the kingdom is his!

This inexplicably generous gesture (Duhshala, their cousin, must not become a widow, exclaims Yudhishthira) leads to the death of Abhimanyu. Then we have Yudhishthira rebuking Draupadi for “creating a scene” in Virata’s court, when Kicaka kicks her and she appeals to the king.

Also 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, if we explain away Yudhishthir’s pledging of Draupadi in the dice-game as an aberration, what indeed are we to make of his pardoning of Jayadratha’s abduction of her?

All this was done in flagrant violation of the law of the land. These provocative slogans were merely the mildest manifestations of the horrible violence that was to follow. It must be remembered that prior to the Ramjanmabhoomi march, India was relatively free of the terrorist violence. Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India.

Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance, Impudent Imprudent – this march by Anjem Chaudhary is mildly comparable to Lal Krishna’s bloody Rath Yatra where provocative slogans such as: ‘Babar Ki AulaadoN Ko, Joote Maaro SaaloN Ko’ and ‘Gar Bharatvarsha MaeN Rehna Hoga To Shri Ram Shri Ram Kehna Hoga’.

Also you seem to have something against the goddess Kali. Your K is ‘poorna avtar committed to the greater good of all humanity’. How does getting your entire innocent army getting willfully killed is an act of humanity? Could you kindly explain that?

So it is all in the family thing! Is it not? My cousins must get priority over all the rest. Your army comprises ordinary, faceless mortals and as such are sacrificial material. This is the height of perversity. There is nothing Godly about it.

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota says >>Kr's avtar was not for any army's prservation, but humanism-preservation over the whole world and saving humanity for spirituality over the dark ages. But I don't understand. How can getting your own army killed for no fault of their own by your own strategems be an act of humanism?

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> HATE preacher Anjem Choudary will march in London today calling for Britain to adopt Islamic Sharia law.

He must be a hate preacher just like yourself! Hate preachers seem to keep up to date with each other's activities. Hardly anyone in England will notice!

02/03/09

Shariaa, like chickungunia, is spreading fast and far.

In Britain:

"HATE preacher Anjem Choudary will march in London today calling for Britain to adopt Islamic Sharia law.

The startling move comes just days after processions celebrating St George were banned for being racist.

Choudary was given the green light yesterday despite a previous demonstration in which some of his supporters chanted: “Bomb the UK”.

Publicity for the march, in the East End, carries 41-year-old Choudary’s personal mobile number and says the aim of the campaign is to “emulate the Prophet and his companions, by calling for Islam and speaking out against the oppression of man-made law”.

It says that Britain is full of “disbelievers” who are involved in prostitution, gambling, alcoholism and worshipping other gods.
The publicity says women are welcome to join the march but they must walk at the back of the procession as “strict segregation will be enforced”.

The demo comes 18 months after three of Choudary’s supporters were jailed for soliciting murder in a London protest against cartoons of the prophet Mohammed published in Denmark.
That was when some demonstrators chanted “Bomb the UK” and “Europe, you will pay with your blood”. Organiser Choudary was fined.
Today’s march won permission after a council withdrew funding for a St George’s Day parade in the Midlands – on the grounds that it was “racist”.

Parade founder Mark Cowles, 40, of West Bromwich, said yesterday: “I can’t believe Choudary’s event can go ahead.”

Britain is fully dhimmied and but for the Sangh outfits and if the dhimmi UPA returns to power, the scenario may be the same in India. Besides Britain, shariaa has been imposed in Somalia and Chechenia, due to the pressure from the Islamic militants. The government strategy appears to be to surrender and then claim victory, like in SWAT valley. The Talibans have extensively infiltrated into Sindh provice and they plan to take over Karachi for the imposition of shariaa. That is great news.



http://www.jihadwatch.org/

M_A:>>"you are still far from answering my query - and only you can answer it - regarding Krishna pledging his entire army to Kauravas in the full knowledge of their 100% garaunteed decimation and that too through his own strategems".

I have already answered it, you seem to have missed reading it. You must remember that Kr was poorna-avtar of the Absolute, pro-active for the welfare of whole humanity, not just his yadav birth-clan or its army; to save india for the continuance of the vedic, indic, sanaatan dharma from complete anihilation during the on-coming kali-duet of 2.4kyrs, when africa, went cannibal, europe/egypt slave-driver, in devilzn. India was retained with some humanism other than brahmin over-ritualism, which He Himself corrected on rebirth as buddha at the end of the black-days. Sankara, Jesus, Nabhi followed to rescue the world for spirituality and relig, in the following millennium.

Since both arjun and duryodh were both his cousins only, he let the latter, kali incarnate, choose his army and lose, while arjun, son of sacrifice-provoker lord indra [ishTim dravayati iti], chose the lord Himself as his charioteer and won the war. Karna would haver killed arjun with naagaastra if Kr had not been his charioteer!.

Armies on both sides perished mostly. Kr's avtar was not for any army's prservation, but humanism-preservation over the whole world and saving humanity for spirituality over the dark ages.

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> What will then happen to the verses?

Nothing that moronic hate peddlers like you may be dreaming of! They will stay where they are, just as you will stay in the gutter you are in.

Seshadri,

>> history does record that, in the region of nalanda, near nepal, popular-vote kind of democracy was also practiced in ancient india.

Thanks for the information.

>>>> "The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers" (AP).
>> hindus have been mesmerized and purchased by chr's church money and mosl's oil-money, not to hate chr/isl. (Shesadri)

You mean Hindus who, unlike you, are not hateful, have been bribed with money and that is the reason for their not being hateful? Aren't you ashamed to say something like that?

In any case 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, you are still far from answering my query - and only you can answer it - regarding Krishna pledging his entire army to Kauravas in the full knowledge of their 100% garaunteed decimation and that too through his own strategems.

And as for 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, his cleft tongue never fails to surprise me. He hates and loves the Muslims, Christians, dalits in the same breath. Symptoms of severe identity crisis progressively heading in the direction of schizophrenic disorder - in which case my commiserations and genuine concern.

And in your mortal frame these two attributes are so perfectly embedded. You also excel in the art of anabashed LYING and RUMOURS like your masters at Nagpur and Swat. As for Baba Greasy, his only claim to fame is poor mimicry. It is just about the last resort of the illiterate rogues of the communal hate mongers. Baba like his mentor Hhehha also wishes other people's death.

StoppereLax, but this fatal combination of RSS and ISI-spawned-Taliban as enshrined in your lotus body is so appropriate. The only difference between the RSS and the Talibans is that whereas the RSS works through criminal stealth, the Talibani Jehad is criminally frontal. Both are intolerant, both blinded by communal hatred, both are anti-dalit, anti-women, anti-democracy.

M_A:>>"his anti-dalit, anti-non-brahmin"

For me there is no hatred for anyone of any caste or relig. For me: Siva = Allah = Christ = Yahvey = Zeus. post-moghul dalits are pre-mughal Bs only; see them very devout, despite exclusion from temples for centuries. I only deplore the NBs for their excessive anti-brahminism, sub-casteism and other aspects of disunity. That is all.

" But in terms of sheer illiteracy, you take the absolute cake."

MOHAN AWARA

I have already joined Binnori and Lalmasjid Universities to become a literate.Practicals training will be in LeT camps .Cheer up sir you are my course Instructor !

Baba Greasy - by merely posting a reference to a newspaper, you cannot establish your intellectual profile. Your attempt is truly laughable. I am deeply moved by your effort. But you will have to do better than that. Keep trying.

The destruction of Pakistan :

" The sound of Taliban laughing By Irfan Husain
Saturday, 28 Feb, 2009 | 09:17 AM

The noise you might hear is the laughter of the Taliban at the sight of Pakistan’s leaders playing politics as usual. The other sounds are the chuckles at GHQ "


http://www.dawn.com/wps...-of-taliban-laughing-ha

"I don't quite know what you do here on this forum "

Bande khud ko phechan .

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota's last mail is a crying testimony to his anti-dalit, anti-non-brahmin majority of the Hindu community. At the drop of a hat, he wouldn't let go the slightest opportunity to foreground the intolerant Brahmin in him to pan the rest of the Hindus exacly like that demented (Cruel-Joke)Maulana. Hhehha is NO HINDU!

Baba Greasy - I don't quite know what you do here on this forum. You are like a lost cow - so utterly bereft of ideas are you and so utterly ill-read. Not that others are any better. But in terms of sheer illiteracy, you take the absolute cake.

I forgot to insert the name of Hhehha and, of course, the Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance), the Impudent Imprudent. This is a gang of Hate Peddlers like this (Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi and (Anti)Mohammad from Swat. They have as LITTLE to do with HINDUISM as he with ISLAM.

Bawery now you can have Iqbal as a hate mail companion .Happy company !

What a cruel joke? 2c/h tH Yamadoota of the Slave Brigade under the combined command of RSS+Talibans calling himself a HINDU? He is everything that militates against the spirit of Hinduism. As indeed are Baba Greasy Ghai, StopperLax, Remorseless Columbavi, MussoHitler. This bunch is a BLOT on the name of HINDUISM.

01/03/09

"Democracy is a sin and nothing more than infidelity."

In thse das of economic slowdown, unemployment and pink slips, these characters provide the comic interlude.

01/03/09

"He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers. Let them have exactly the same status and rights in marriage and divorce as men."

What will then happen to the verses? If you desire their deletion and abandon the Book, that is what every one else is asking for. Then you are with us.

A_P:>>"The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers".

You are quite right; the casteist, languagist, regionalist, ethnicist, and cultist obc hindus have been mesmerized and purchased by chr's church money and mosl's oil-money, not to hate chr/isl, but only hate the other hindus among themselves, particularly the brahmins and the sanskrit language. Bhaarata-maataa is crying. Only God can console her.

>>"illustrations of just rule, not of democracy".

history does record that, in the region of nalanda, near nepal, popular-vote kind of democracy was also practiced in ancient india.

Seshadri,

>> the rulers operated only for the welfare and satisfaction of the people; ram even sent sita to forest, to respect the voice of some dhobi, heard in-cognito. even a cow could get justice, under manuneeti-chola.

Those are illustrations of just rule, not of democracy.

A_P:>>"How is that an illustration of democracy?"

Democracy is the rule of the people for the people by the reps of the people. Not the misrule, by corrupt and criminal polits in power, thro strategic voting by pampered antinational votebanks, as it now happens in india's dynastic demonocrazy!.

In dhaarmic india, the rulers operated only for the welfare and satisfaction of the people; ram even sent sita to forest, to respect the voice of some dhobi, heard in-cognito. even a cow could get justice, under manuneeti-chola, when the criminal happened to be the crown prince himself. in the same TN today, the sons of the current CM, well-known to have been responsible for many murders are strutting about as uncrowned princes! You decide which is real democracy.

how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc.

RAJESH
PHOENIX UNITED STATES

It is surprising that sitting in America where one out of ten grown up man or woman is an hardcore Christian fundamentalist who roots for establishing God’s rule in accordance with what is revealed by Him in the Bible in place of democracy you should find time to worry about democracy being considered a sin by Hindus. There is no difference between the Muslim fundamentalist who demand the introduction of Sharia and the Christian fundamentalist evangelicals demanding Bible theology to be basis of governance.

What we do India is to prevent attempts of the votaries of either of this rule being forced on us. But I know I am wasting my time because chances are that you belong to one of these groups.

Seshadri,

>> A chola king, under manu-neeti, ran his chariot over his kid, bec the latter ran his chariot over a calf; the cow rang the complaint bell! Sipi gave his body to give solace to a hurt bird! democracy is imbedded in hindutva traditions.

How is that an illustration of democracy?

R:>>"Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too"

Democracy has been practiced in letter or spirit in india, in early days when its sanatana dharma had not even acquired its current name of hinduism. A chola king, under manu-neeti, ran his chariot over his kid, bec the latter ran his chariot over a calf; the cow rang the complaint bell! Sipi gave his body to give solace to a hurt bird! democracy is imbedded in hindutva traditions; castism was not heriditary, only socio-dynamic optimizn of profession-choices as per talents, tendencies self-assessed, 'wa-dharmam api ca aavekshya', 'see for yourself what your profession should be', says the Gita. Even these days, forcing kids into dad's or mom's professions ends in failure in most cases.

Why dont you let hindus themselves handle their 'ram-sena' problem, if the ravan muthalik is really a hindu ? The more the moslems, like AP and chr, like you, and the chr t-v channels talk about it, the suspicion that it is an 'implanted drama' is only strengthened.

Seshadri,

>> This retortive mentality in you, and moslems in general...

You are describing yourself perfectly. And talking about Hindus or Muslims "in general" is stereotyping which is at the basis of racism. Only very low level people do such a thing these days.

>> seshadri's perceptions on india's prehistory can only help

You mean seshadri's lies.

>> You are not going to eradicate terrorism in islam by inventing a terror-module among hindus. you cannot eliminate talibanism in pak by dramatizing a 'ram-sena' in ktka and calling it india's taliban!.

Exactly what one would expect to hear from a shameless apologist of the Ram Sene, Abhinav Bharat and the Bajrang Dal!

>> Why dont you concentrate, instead, in correcting the very much worse 'hate-merchants' in the islamic world?

And leave hate merchants like you and the VHP alone? Not likely!

>> If you want to reform hinduism, become a hindu first.

I do not try to reform Hinduism, which is fine without my help. I am just holding up a mirror to hate peddlers like you so that you can see how ugly you are. The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers.

A_P:>>"I have been fighting hate and hate merchants like you and the VHP".

Why dont you concentrate, instead, in correcting the very much worse 'hate-merchants' in the islamic world?. If you want to reform hinduism, become a hindu first.

A_P:>>"you yourself are out of date by at least 200 years".

This retortive mentality in you, and moslems in general, is the main problem keeping you away from all improvements in culture and civilizn.

seshadri's perceptions on india's prehistory can only help us to understand india better and unify hindus away from their casteist selfhurts. It is not your problem.

You are not going to eradicate terrorism in islam by inventing a terror-module among hindus. you cannot eliminate talibanism in pak by dramatizing a 'ram-sena' in ktka and calling it india's taliban!.

all moslems, all over the world, should concentrate on eliminating falsehoods and perversions from madarsa educ. evil will only be self-destructive, as what happened to the 'moola-bala' of raavana, before ram killed him. islam, over the world, will simply self-destroy, if childrens' educ is not modernized. more and more nandigrams, swats and dhakkas will only increase.

the child is the father of man. manhood, in any civilizn, cannot see god's kindly light, if the childhood is governed by the prince of darkness!

"The difference between you and me is that you have been spreading hate and divisiveness,"

and you've been spreading terror

Rajesh, AZ
"Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too. See how individual's right are violated by force by Ram sena and other organs of RSS. Their moral police decree and enforce how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc."

ever heard abt making a mountain out of a mole hill??

Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too. See how individual's right are violated by force by Ram sena and other organs of RSS. Their moral police decree and enforce how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc.

Banito/Lalit,

>> its cute adressing the maulana in the safety of this blog. if you have the guts,adress him in
muslim papers, and muslim audiences.

Haven't you been bad-mouthing Muslims from the safety of this blog too? And you do not know in which other blogs I participate! The difference between you and me is that you have been spreading hate and divisiveness, and I have been fighting hate and hate merchants like you and the VHP.

Seshadri,

>> Anwar's advice to the moulana is at least 30 years too late.

True, but you yourself are out of date by at least 200 years. Your communalist hate-filled and obscurantist views are as obnoxious as those of Maulana Sufi Mohammed.

faruki

its cute adressing the maulana in the safety of this blog. if you have the guts,adress him in
muslim papers, and muslim audiences.

and did you not know that sharia is mandatory for muslims- unchangeable as the koran.

our best bet in the nonmuslim world is to shoot these maulanas- if we can.

no problem if they stay in the muslim world, to
be dealt by other muslims.which means after 200
years.

" As such jihad according to Quran means to speak truth even in the face of a tyrant ruler. Jihad is against julm, tyranny. Killing the innocents it is a tyranny and so Islam not only opposes that but it also preaches to speak against any killing of innocents. Jihad is a collective struggle against tyrants and exploiters; it is for upholding justice and human dignity and for establishing a society where human rights and dignity will be ensured."

What is the use of quoting the Book when the practice is different than the edicts.Friend your quotes does not help us .Difficult to believe your version.We saw the real Jehad on 26/11 .We were killed in name of Allah and Quran !!

A_P:>>"Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue"

Anwar's advice to the moulana is at least 30 years too late, ie, overdue only. 'Democracy Is A Sin, Infidelity', the old man says. The madarsa education in him makes him say that. If the primary educ in pak had been modernized three decades back, its relig leadership will now be in much more modern hands than this old man, with sickness written on his face, clearly indicative of Allah's real anger with him and his type, for their destroying the young generation of pakisthan, personally and nationally.

The generals and landlord-politicians who have been ruling pak for over half a century, burying the country's kids in madarsa morass, while their own families, one-thousandth of the country's population or even less, were alone getting educated, and also living most of the time, only in england, are responsible for this. Benazir gets shot, her kid studying in england is nominated to succeed her as party chairman!. If her dad, his successor generals, herself also, when in power, had seen to it that the average educ the pak-kid gets is somewhat similar to what her son gets in england [like what nehru did in india, building temples of educational excellence, being ruined by his casteist reservationist successors, though!], the culture of pak population as a whole would have got modernized and she would not have been bombed at all!

Instead of posting an advice, which the moulana in SWAT is never likely to read, Anwar and his CAIR should really concentrate on mobilizing steps for the modernizn of madarsa educ world over, not merely on ensuring civil rights in america for the few moslems modern enough to get there already. Karachi boys who had produced a good computer project' qualifying for microsoft finals in washington, could not even get visas to go there to present it, perh bec of their madarsa educ was suspected of telling them: 'democracy is sin, infidelity'!

Better your madarsas today, you may get better moulanas fifty years from now, if humanity is not consumed by H-war in the mean time!

"Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue. He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers "

Faruki

Beware of Fatwas dear friend !

Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue. He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers. Let them have exactly the same status and rights in marriage and divorce as men. Let the government be a democratic government. Let minorities have full rights of citizenship. Wake up! It is the 21st century.

Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue. He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers. Let them have exactly the same status and rights in marriage and divorce as men. Let the government be a democratic government. Let minorities have full rights of citizenship. Wake up! It is the 21st century.

"Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue. He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers "

Faruki

Beware of Fatwas dear friend !

A_P:>>"Maulana Sufi Mohammed needs to learn that major reforms in his sharia laws are long overdue"

Anwar's advice to the moulana is at least 30 years too late, ie, overdue only. 'Democracy Is A Sin, Infidelity', the old man says. The madarsa education in him makes him say that. If the primary educ in pak had been modernized three decades back, its relig leadership will now be in much more modern hands than this old man, with sickness written on his face, clearly indicative of Allah's real anger with him and his type, for their destroying the young generation of pakisthan, personally and nationally.

The generals and landlord-politicians who have been ruling pak for over half a century, burying the country's kids in madarsa morass, while their own families, one-thousandth of the country's population or even less, were alone getting educated, and also living most of the time, only in england, are responsible for this. Benazir gets shot, her kid studying in england is nominated to succeed her as party chairman!. If her dad, his successor generals, herself also, when in power, had seen to it that the average educ the pak-kid gets is somewhat similar to what her son gets in england [like what nehru did in india, building temples of educational excellence, being ruined by his casteist reservationist successors, though!], the culture of pak population as a whole would have got modernized and she would not have been bombed at all!

Instead of posting an advice, which the moulana in SWAT is never likely to read, Anwar and his CAIR should really concentrate on mobilizing steps for the modernizn of madarsa educ world over, not merely on ensuring civil rights in america for the few moslems modern enough to get there already. Karachi boys who had produced a good computer project' qualifying for microsoft finals in washington, could not even get visas to go there to present it, perh bec of their madarsa educ was suspected of telling them: 'democracy is sin, infidelity'!

Better your madarsas today, you may get better moulanas fifty years from now, if humanity is not consumed by H-war in the mean time!

" As such jihad according to Quran means to speak truth even in the face of a tyrant ruler. Jihad is against julm, tyranny. Killing the innocents it is a tyranny and so Islam not only opposes that but it also preaches to speak against any killing of innocents. Jihad is a collective struggle against tyrants and exploiters; it is for upholding justice and human dignity and for establishing a society where human rights and dignity will be ensured."

What is the use of quoting the Book when the practice is different than the edicts.Friend your quotes does not help us .Difficult to believe your version.We saw the real Jehad on 26/11 .We were killed in name of Allah and Quran !!

faruki

its cute adressing the maulana in the safety of this blog. if you have the guts,adress him in
muslim papers, and muslim audiences.

and did you not know that sharia is mandatory for muslims- unchangeable as the koran.

our best bet in the nonmuslim world is to shoot these maulanas- if we can.

no problem if they stay in the muslim world, to
be dealt by other muslims.which means after 200
years.

Seshadri,

>> Anwar's advice to the moulana is at least 30 years too late.

True, but you yourself are out of date by at least 200 years. Your communalist hate-filled and obscurantist views are as obnoxious as those of Maulana Sufi Mohammed.

Banito/Lalit,

>> its cute adressing the maulana in the safety of this blog. if you have the guts,adress him in
muslim papers, and muslim audiences.

Haven't you been bad-mouthing Muslims from the safety of this blog too? And you do not know in which other blogs I participate! The difference between you and me is that you have been spreading hate and divisiveness, and I have been fighting hate and hate merchants like you and the VHP.

Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too. See how individual's right are violated by force by Ram sena and other organs of RSS. Their moral police decree and enforce how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc.

Rajesh, AZ
"Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too. See how individual's right are violated by force by Ram sena and other organs of RSS. Their moral police decree and enforce how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc."

ever heard abt making a mountain out of a mole hill??

"The difference between you and me is that you have been spreading hate and divisiveness,"

and you've been spreading terror

A_P:>>"you yourself are out of date by at least 200 years".

This retortive mentality in you, and moslems in general, is the main problem keeping you away from all improvements in culture and civilizn.

seshadri's perceptions on india's prehistory can only help us to understand india better and unify hindus away from their casteist selfhurts. It is not your problem.

You are not going to eradicate terrorism in islam by inventing a terror-module among hindus. you cannot eliminate talibanism in pak by dramatizing a 'ram-sena' in ktka and calling it india's taliban!.

all moslems, all over the world, should concentrate on eliminating falsehoods and perversions from madarsa educ. evil will only be self-destructive, as what happened to the 'moola-bala' of raavana, before ram killed him. islam, over the world, will simply self-destroy, if childrens' educ is not modernized. more and more nandigrams, swats and dhakkas will only increase.

the child is the father of man. manhood, in any civilizn, cannot see god's kindly light, if the childhood is governed by the prince of darkness!

A_P:>>"I have been fighting hate and hate merchants like you and the VHP".

Why dont you concentrate, instead, in correcting the very much worse 'hate-merchants' in the islamic world?. If you want to reform hinduism, become a hindu first.

Seshadri,

>> This retortive mentality in you, and moslems in general...

You are describing yourself perfectly. And talking about Hindus or Muslims "in general" is stereotyping which is at the basis of racism. Only very low level people do such a thing these days.

>> seshadri's perceptions on india's prehistory can only help

You mean seshadri's lies.

>> You are not going to eradicate terrorism in islam by inventing a terror-module among hindus. you cannot eliminate talibanism in pak by dramatizing a 'ram-sena' in ktka and calling it india's taliban!.

Exactly what one would expect to hear from a shameless apologist of the Ram Sene, Abhinav Bharat and the Bajrang Dal!

>> Why dont you concentrate, instead, in correcting the very much worse 'hate-merchants' in the islamic world?

And leave hate merchants like you and the VHP alone? Not likely!

>> If you want to reform hinduism, become a hindu first.

I do not try to reform Hinduism, which is fine without my help. I am just holding up a mirror to hate peddlers like you so that you can see how ugly you are. The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers.

R:>>"Democracy is sin for Hindutwa too"

Democracy has been practiced in letter or spirit in india, in early days when its sanatana dharma had not even acquired its current name of hinduism. A chola king, under manu-neeti, ran his chariot over his kid, bec the latter ran his chariot over a calf; the cow rang the complaint bell! Sipi gave his body to give solace to a hurt bird! democracy is imbedded in hindutva traditions; castism was not heriditary, only socio-dynamic optimizn of profession-choices as per talents, tendencies self-assessed, 'wa-dharmam api ca aavekshya', 'see for yourself what your profession should be', says the Gita. Even these days, forcing kids into dad's or mom's professions ends in failure in most cases.

Why dont you let hindus themselves handle their 'ram-sena' problem, if the ravan muthalik is really a hindu ? The more the moslems, like AP and chr, like you, and the chr t-v channels talk about it, the suspicion that it is an 'implanted drama' is only strengthened.

Seshadri,

>> A chola king, under manu-neeti, ran his chariot over his kid, bec the latter ran his chariot over a calf; the cow rang the complaint bell! Sipi gave his body to give solace to a hurt bird! democracy is imbedded in hindutva traditions.

How is that an illustration of democracy?

how girls should dress, where they go, who they talk, etc etc.

RAJESH
PHOENIX UNITED STATES

It is surprising that sitting in America where one out of ten grown up man or woman is an hardcore Christian fundamentalist who roots for establishing God’s rule in accordance with what is revealed by Him in the Bible in place of democracy you should find time to worry about democracy being considered a sin by Hindus. There is no difference between the Muslim fundamentalist who demand the introduction of Sharia and the Christian fundamentalist evangelicals demanding Bible theology to be basis of governance.

What we do India is to prevent attempts of the votaries of either of this rule being forced on us. But I know I am wasting my time because chances are that you belong to one of these groups.

A_P:>>"How is that an illustration of democracy?"

Democracy is the rule of the people for the people by the reps of the people. Not the misrule, by corrupt and criminal polits in power, thro strategic voting by pampered antinational votebanks, as it now happens in india's dynastic demonocrazy!.

In dhaarmic india, the rulers operated only for the welfare and satisfaction of the people; ram even sent sita to forest, to respect the voice of some dhobi, heard in-cognito. even a cow could get justice, under manuneeti-chola, when the criminal happened to be the crown prince himself. in the same TN today, the sons of the current CM, well-known to have been responsible for many murders are strutting about as uncrowned princes! You decide which is real democracy.

Seshadri,

>> the rulers operated only for the welfare and satisfaction of the people; ram even sent sita to forest, to respect the voice of some dhobi, heard in-cognito. even a cow could get justice, under manuneeti-chola.

Those are illustrations of just rule, not of democracy.

>>"illustrations of just rule, not of democracy".

history does record that, in the region of nalanda, near nepal, popular-vote kind of democracy was also practiced in ancient india.

A_P:>>"The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers".

You are quite right; the casteist, languagist, regionalist, ethnicist, and cultist obc hindus have been mesmerized and purchased by chr's church money and mosl's oil-money, not to hate chr/isl, but only hate the other hindus among themselves, particularly the brahmins and the sanskrit language. Bhaarata-maataa is crying. Only God can console her.

01/03/09

"He should start with rebuilding girls' schools and giving girls full freedom to pursue education and careers. Let women become teachers, doctors, nurses and lawyers. Let them have exactly the same status and rights in marriage and divorce as men."

What will then happen to the verses? If you desire their deletion and abandon the Book, that is what every one else is asking for. Then you are with us.

01/03/09

"Democracy is a sin and nothing more than infidelity."

In thse das of economic slowdown, unemployment and pink slips, these characters provide the comic interlude.

What a cruel joke? 2c/h tH Yamadoota of the Slave Brigade under the combined command of RSS+Talibans calling himself a HINDU? He is everything that militates against the spirit of Hinduism. As indeed are Baba Greasy Ghai, StopperLax, Remorseless Columbavi, MussoHitler. This bunch is a BLOT on the name of HINDUISM.

Bawery now you can have Iqbal as a hate mail companion .Happy company !

I forgot to insert the name of Hhehha and, of course, the Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance), the Impudent Imprudent. This is a gang of Hate Peddlers like this (Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi and (Anti)Mohammad from Swat. They have as LITTLE to do with HINDUISM as he with ISLAM.

Baba Greasy - I don't quite know what you do here on this forum. You are like a lost cow - so utterly bereft of ideas are you and so utterly ill-read. Not that others are any better. But in terms of sheer illiteracy, you take the absolute cake.

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota's last mail is a crying testimony to his anti-dalit, anti-non-brahmin majority of the Hindu community. At the drop of a hat, he wouldn't let go the slightest opportunity to foreground the intolerant Brahmin in him to pan the rest of the Hindus exacly like that demented (Cruel-Joke)Maulana. Hhehha is NO HINDU!

"I don't quite know what you do here on this forum "

Bande khud ko phechan .

The destruction of Pakistan :

" The sound of Taliban laughing By Irfan Husain
Saturday, 28 Feb, 2009 | 09:17 AM

The noise you might hear is the laughter of the Taliban at the sight of Pakistan’s leaders playing politics as usual. The other sounds are the chuckles at GHQ "


http://www.dawn.com/wps...-of-taliban-laughing-ha

Baba Greasy - by merely posting a reference to a newspaper, you cannot establish your intellectual profile. Your attempt is truly laughable. I am deeply moved by your effort. But you will have to do better than that. Keep trying.

" But in terms of sheer illiteracy, you take the absolute cake."

MOHAN AWARA

I have already joined Binnori and Lalmasjid Universities to become a literate.Practicals training will be in LeT camps .Cheer up sir you are my course Instructor !

M_A:>>"his anti-dalit, anti-non-brahmin"

For me there is no hatred for anyone of any caste or relig. For me: Siva = Allah = Christ = Yahvey = Zeus. post-moghul dalits are pre-mughal Bs only; see them very devout, despite exclusion from temples for centuries. I only deplore the NBs for their excessive anti-brahminism, sub-casteism and other aspects of disunity. That is all.

StoppereLax, but this fatal combination of RSS and ISI-spawned-Taliban as enshrined in your lotus body is so appropriate. The only difference between the RSS and the Talibans is that whereas the RSS works through criminal stealth, the Talibani Jehad is criminally frontal. Both are intolerant, both blinded by communal hatred, both are anti-dalit, anti-women, anti-democracy.

And in your mortal frame these two attributes are so perfectly embedded. You also excel in the art of anabashed LYING and RUMOURS like your masters at Nagpur and Swat. As for Baba Greasy, his only claim to fame is poor mimicry. It is just about the last resort of the illiterate rogues of the communal hate mongers. Baba like his mentor Hhehha also wishes other people's death.

And as for 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, his cleft tongue never fails to surprise me. He hates and loves the Muslims, Christians, dalits in the same breath. Symptoms of severe identity crisis progressively heading in the direction of schizophrenic disorder - in which case my commiserations and genuine concern.

In any case 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, you are still far from answering my query - and only you can answer it - regarding Krishna pledging his entire army to Kauravas in the full knowledge of their 100% garaunteed decimation and that too through his own strategems.

Seshadri,

>> history does record that, in the region of nalanda, near nepal, popular-vote kind of democracy was also practiced in ancient india.

Thanks for the information.

>>>> "The vast majority of Hindus are not hate peddlers" (AP).
>> hindus have been mesmerized and purchased by chr's church money and mosl's oil-money, not to hate chr/isl. (Shesadri)

You mean Hindus who, unlike you, are not hateful, have been bribed with money and that is the reason for their not being hateful? Aren't you ashamed to say something like that?

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> What will then happen to the verses?

Nothing that moronic hate peddlers like you may be dreaming of! They will stay where they are, just as you will stay in the gutter you are in.

M_A:>>"you are still far from answering my query - and only you can answer it - regarding Krishna pledging his entire army to Kauravas in the full knowledge of their 100% garaunteed decimation and that too through his own strategems".

I have already answered it, you seem to have missed reading it. You must remember that Kr was poorna-avtar of the Absolute, pro-active for the welfare of whole humanity, not just his yadav birth-clan or its army; to save india for the continuance of the vedic, indic, sanaatan dharma from complete anihilation during the on-coming kali-duet of 2.4kyrs, when africa, went cannibal, europe/egypt slave-driver, in devilzn. India was retained with some humanism other than brahmin over-ritualism, which He Himself corrected on rebirth as buddha at the end of the black-days. Sankara, Jesus, Nabhi followed to rescue the world for spirituality and relig, in the following millennium.

Since both arjun and duryodh were both his cousins only, he let the latter, kali incarnate, choose his army and lose, while arjun, son of sacrifice-provoker lord indra [ishTim dravayati iti], chose the lord Himself as his charioteer and won the war. Karna would haver killed arjun with naagaastra if Kr had not been his charioteer!.

Armies on both sides perished mostly. Kr's avtar was not for any army's prservation, but humanism-preservation over the whole world and saving humanity for spirituality over the dark ages.

02/03/09

Shariaa, like chickungunia, is spreading fast and far.

In Britain:

"HATE preacher Anjem Choudary will march in London today calling for Britain to adopt Islamic Sharia law.

The startling move comes just days after processions celebrating St George were banned for being racist.

Choudary was given the green light yesterday despite a previous demonstration in which some of his supporters chanted: “Bomb the UK”.

Publicity for the march, in the East End, carries 41-year-old Choudary’s personal mobile number and says the aim of the campaign is to “emulate the Prophet and his companions, by calling for Islam and speaking out against the oppression of man-made law”.

It says that Britain is full of “disbelievers” who are involved in prostitution, gambling, alcoholism and worshipping other gods.
The publicity says women are welcome to join the march but they must walk at the back of the procession as “strict segregation will be enforced”.

The demo comes 18 months after three of Choudary’s supporters were jailed for soliciting murder in a London protest against cartoons of the prophet Mohammed published in Denmark.
That was when some demonstrators chanted “Bomb the UK” and “Europe, you will pay with your blood”. Organiser Choudary was fined.
Today’s march won permission after a council withdrew funding for a St George’s Day parade in the Midlands – on the grounds that it was “racist”.

Parade founder Mark Cowles, 40, of West Bromwich, said yesterday: “I can’t believe Choudary’s event can go ahead.”

Britain is fully dhimmied and but for the Sangh outfits and if the dhimmi UPA returns to power, the scenario may be the same in India. Besides Britain, shariaa has been imposed in Somalia and Chechenia, due to the pressure from the Islamic militants. The government strategy appears to be to surrender and then claim victory, like in SWAT valley. The Talibans have extensively infiltrated into Sindh provice and they plan to take over Karachi for the imposition of shariaa. That is great news.



http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> HATE preacher Anjem Choudary will march in London today calling for Britain to adopt Islamic Sharia law.

He must be a hate preacher just like yourself! Hate preachers seem to keep up to date with each other's activities. Hardly anyone in England will notice!

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota says >>Kr's avtar was not for any army's prservation, but humanism-preservation over the whole world and saving humanity for spirituality over the dark ages. But I don't understand. How can getting your own army killed for no fault of their own by your own strategems be an act of humanism?

So it is all in the family thing! Is it not? My cousins must get priority over all the rest. Your army comprises ordinary, faceless mortals and as such are sacrificial material. This is the height of perversity. There is nothing Godly about it.

Also you seem to have something against the goddess Kali. Your K is ‘poorna avtar committed to the greater good of all humanity’. How does getting your entire innocent army getting willfully killed is an act of humanity? Could you kindly explain that?

Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance, Impudent Imprudent – this march by Anjem Chaudhary is mildly comparable to Lal Krishna’s bloody Rath Yatra where provocative slogans such as: ‘Babar Ki AulaadoN Ko, Joote Maaro SaaloN Ko’ and ‘Gar Bharatvarsha MaeN Rehna Hoga To Shri Ram Shri Ram Kehna Hoga’.

All this was done in flagrant violation of the law of the land. These provocative slogans were merely the mildest manifestations of the horrible violence that was to follow. It must be remembered that prior to the Ramjanmabhoomi march, India was relatively free of the terrorist violence. Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India.

Also 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, if we explain away Yudhishthir’s pledging of Draupadi in the dice-game as an aberration, what indeed are we to make of his pardoning of Jayadratha’s abduction of her?

This inexplicably generous gesture (Duhshala, their cousin, must not become a widow, exclaims Yudhishthira) leads to the death of Abhimanyu. Then we have Yudhishthira rebuking Draupadi for “creating a scene” in Virata’s court, when Kicaka kicks her and she appeals to the king.

It is this man who does not hesitate to send a 16-year old to break the wheel-formation of Drona that even Bhima cannot demolish, knowing that Abhimanyu cannot break out of it. He nearly gambles away a dearly won pyrrhic victory by announcing to Duryodhana that he may choose any one of the five to fight, and if he wins, the kingdom is his!

Also 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, What we find at the core of the epic is the traumatic agony of a nathavati anathavat, a woman five-husbanded yet husband-less at precisely those moments of extreme anguish when the very meaning of womanhood and the significance of being a saha-dharmini is at stake.

The Draupadi of the Vana Parva homily is not the fire-born Yajnaseni, but a product of the post-Manu Samhita period where the wife is but the husband’s chattel, not his companion, let alone becoming even his guide where need be. The image of women in the original stratum of the epic is that which is etched out in the words of Shakuntala, as she upbraids Dushyanta for fickleness.

M_A:>>"Also you seem to have something against the goddess Kali".

Your knowledge of hinduism and sanskrit seems to be extremely poor and perepheral, like that of romila thapar. You are mistaking 'kali', the doer-of-evil, devil=satan, with 'devee' ='kaalee', the mother goddess dominating time and in the space-time absolute. [kaala = time, in sans]

>>"How does getting your entire innocent army getting willfully killed is an act of humanity?"

My explanations are not entering you thick skull.
Read them again. Anyway, you can understand that, those who were born and living only to kill others in fight, as 'kshatriyas', whom you call 'innocent', could well have been made to kill one-another by god's will, so that killings in the country, in general, will come down sharply and the remnant of the population could concentrate on 'productive' efforts like farming. Krishna was god for whole humanity, not just for the yaadava army in dwaaraka.

For example, india, today, is being ruined by people, like yourself, calling themselves 'politicians', forming miriad parties and fighting for supremacy in power, in governments, public enterprises, commercialized cooleges in eng/tech med/mgmt, in the legal profession and in NGOs and police forces, in land-scams, stamp-scams etc., draining the country's resources for their own criminalized corrupt projects, inflating the economy while deflating the standards of living and welfare of the really hardworking people in the country. Imagine that God's will suddenly decides to provoke a 'mad-cow disease' in india which kills most beef-eaters in the country within a fortnight!. India might suddenly become a better place to live in, for all the other devout and humane indians, to work hard and derive the benefits thereof, without their being sucked off by bala-adheekshaka and phala-adheekshaka [power-seekers, fruit-seekers] type politicians. Old fools, like me, can only pray for the best of the country and the world. May God's will be done.

Your solution to the population problem is the most amusing that I have come across in a long long time. Imagine if you were running this country, you will keep your army permanently engaged in self-annihilating warfare so that the problem of population doesn’t go out of hand. Alarming!

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, you seem to be making some very profound distinction between ‘kali’ and ‘kaalee’ without being able to actually carry it off. What is the root word of kali? And where does ‘kaalee’ originate from?

M_A:>>"How can getting your own army killed for no fault of their own by your own strategems be an act of humanism?"

bec, at the end of the war, duryodhana's army, twice as big as that of the paandava army, was also killed, along with duryodhana [fighter for evil], duhSaasana [swearer for evil] etc. The bharata-kanda was totally placed under the rule of yudhishTira [established in justice], good emperor.

Seshadri,

>> those who were born and living only to kill others in fight, as 'kshatriyas', whom you call 'innocent', could well have been made to kill one-another by god's will, so that killings in the country, in general, will come down sharply and the remnant of the population could concentrate on 'productive' efforts like farming.

Is this any way to explain the ways of God? You will give God a bad name!

Shesha I have given you conclusive evidence from the Mahabharata itself about what a useless human being and unjust mind this Yudhishthir was and you go on about his rule being established in justice. Are you dimwit or something.

Sorry about calling you Shesha, 2c/h tH Yamadoota! Sincere apologies!

M_A:>>"What is the root word of kali? And where does ‘kaalee’ originate from?

'Ka' stands for evil. 'kam lingayati iti kalih', kali personifies evil, as duryodhana himself was seen to be. When he came toknow that the pandavas had escaped from the wax-house fire he had planned for them, he simply got all those associated with the failed mission simply executed!

kam aalyati iti kaalah = time. Evil always subsides with time, as a law of nature. That is why, good, truth, satyam = santum yogyam iti satyam, deserving to survive [as per law of the survival of the fittest], always prevails, given enough time, satyam eva jayate, we say.
kam raajayati it 'karat', your friend, who empowers communist evil [kam munayati iti, preaches evil] over india.

kaala-roopiNe maata = kaalee, the divine-mercy mother-force which ensures, enforces, the decay of evil with time. hence, also mahaa-kaalee.

kaala-ateetayaa akaalee, implies the force associated with the absolute which transcends both space and time. Only when I propitiated this akaalee force in the akat-takt in amritsar, in medit on a caturdasi evening, bhindranwala troubling the country sitting there got killed on the next ashTami day!.

sanskrit is deva-bhaashaa, veda-roopaa. dayaayaam eva vartate, vardhate ca iti devah. read the third chapter of the gita. vedyam dadaati iti vedah.

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota - you are into delusion once again. The lexical meaning of Kali is 'blackness' (sic); ink, black ink; an epithet of Parvati, Shiva's wife, a row of black clouds, a woman with a dark complexion; name of Satyawati, the mother of Vyasa; night

Your explanation of Krishna pledging his army to Kauravas knowing full-well that it would eventually be decimated by his own strategems is, to put it mildly, deeply offensive. Surely you can come up with a more fertile and charitable explanation than the one you have given here.

Kali is the great-great grandson of Lord Brahma. He is the son of Krodha (Anger) and his sister-turned-wife Himsa (Violence). He is the grandson of Dambha (Vanity) and his sister-turned-wife, Maya (Illusion). He is the great-grandson of Adharma (Impropriety) and his wife, Mithya (Falsehood). Adharma was originally created from Lord Brahma's back as a Maleen Pataka (a very dark and deadly sinful object).

2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, why is the Kalki purana overflowing with narratives of incest? Any takes on that?

BTW, will it be right to say that these lethal attributes Krodh (Anger), Dambha (Vanity), Maya (Illusion), Adharma (Impropriety), Mithya (Falsehood) that went into the formation of Kali have been further consolidated in 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, StopperLax, Baba Greasy, Eyeless ITNO Ignorance, Dukhiya Ambalvi, LBMN, Mrs Pitara etc.?

M_A:>>"The lexical meaning of Kali is 'blackness'"

Ka, standing for evil, also stands for blackness, since satan is also the prince of darkness. karuppu = black, in tamil also.
Kaalee, the angry-lady killer of extremely evil forces, is always pronounced as 'kaalee' only, athough written in english as kali.

parvati, like vishnu, her brother, also krishna, seen as dark blue cloud colour nor dark black. The divine mother appeared only as 'aruNaa', karunaa-tarangita-akshee, bright red in radiance with mercy in Her eyes, while arriving to fight the ‘asuras’ and kill them, so that the divine 'sura' types could do their jobs properly in universal maintenance. At one stage of the battle, one of the asuras who came in to fight Her, was rakta-beeja, the blood-progenitor, every drop of blood from his body turning into another asura like him, filling the areana with thousands of asuras!. Durga then gets extremely angry and releases ‘bhadra-kaalee’, as a black angry woman, with a very long and flowing tongue, with which she swiped all the blood-born asuras on the field and swallowed them up. This is sculptured and pictured in the kaalee temples in calcutta and elsewhere in bengal.

Your theresa-type converter-folk could have utilized this angry form of the divine in hinduism, to convert a lot of hindu bengalis to worship, instead, mother Mary of the more benevelont form. but ‘maaree’ is also only another name form of durga, the divine mother destroyer of evil, 'dushTaan gamayati iti'. [you wont find these in the engl-man's lexicon for sansk]. The crooked conveters to the church and cruel fasadists of islam also come only under the category of evil people to be destroyed by durga. No wonder, mother theresa could not find herself at peace with jesus = EeSah = skanda, in the late years of her life, altho the pope has made her a saint.

>>" Satyawati, the mother of Vyasa"
was a fisherwoman, darkskinned bec of sun-tan; vyasa's dad had to use her as consort to give birth to vyasa, since the auspicious time for an epoch-maker rishi's birth had come, when he was with her on a boat; after vyasa was born, she was re-virginized by paraasara, blessed with such beauty and fairness that the king of the land, santanu, the dad of bhishma, fell in love with her and bhishma took the vow of celebacy to bring about his dad's marriage with her!

Hardcore followers of Lord Brahma on Raves & Rants: 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota+StopperLax+Eyeless ITNO Ignorance+MussoHitler+Baba Greasy+Dukhiya+LBMN Ambalvi+Mrs Pitara
Somewhat aligned to Lord Vishnu: Kumar+Anwar+Mohan+Ramzan
to Lord Shiva: S Reddy
to Narada: Dip Da

But 2c/h, the fact of the matter is that he is the avtar of Lord Bramha. Is he or is he not? Or is he not the negative manifestation of Vishnu? In which case Vishnu is not all white. If Vishnu and Kali are antagonistic, why did Krishna pledge his hapless army to him - Kali's avtar Duryodhana i.e.?

Going by your warped etymology, if we were to dissect kamal as ka+mal, will it be right then to interpret the lotus as the ka (evil)+ mal(dirt)? Obviously, that is not the case. The problem with you is that you have still not been able to identify the root of kali so far.

And, of corse, 'ka' is not always evil in Sanskrit.

"The problem with you is that you have still not been able to identify the root of kali so far. "

Anarkali ?

"Yamadoota+StopperLax+Eyeless ITNO Ignorance+MussoHitler+Baba Greasy+Dukhiya+LBMN Ambalvi+Mrs Pitara
Somewhat aligned to Lord Vishnu:


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"Kumar+Anwar+Mohan+Ramzan

to Lord Shiva"

?????? 20-20 teams ?????

02/03/09

"Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India."

Rubbish. Terrorism came to India with the arrival muslim invaders. Idiot, read the history; in 1921, there was no Ram Janmaboomi and still moplas killed more than 5000 Hindus and raped hundreds of women in Kerala.

02/03/09

"Lal Krishna’s bloody Rath Yatra where provocative slogans such as: ‘Babar Ki ....."

Idiot. The demolishion has been approved by no less than Arnold Toynbee, quoting the precedent of the catholic church in Poland. Read my earlier comment. You are brainless compared with Toynbee. How many temples the muslims have demolished in the Kashmir valley during the last thirty years; it numbers around five hundred. We can still have the balance left.

02/03/09

"Hardly anyone in England will notice!"

That is why they remain blissfully unaware that:

> shariaa is replacing the British laws
> Gert Welders is not allowed but Anjem Chowdhry is allowed to lead the procession
> welfare payouts and bigger accomadation is given to the terrorists and their families at the expense of the tax payers

UK is a dhimmi state and it is paying jaziaa.

M_A:>>"kamal as ka+mal"

kam malayati iti 'kamala', rejects evil as dirt, ka = evil, mala = the shit to be discarded. the lotus rises beautifully from even the dirty pond, pure and fragrant, dirt does not stick to it, not even the water from the pond!. ‘kamale, kamalaalaye’, goes the mahaalakshmi mantra, since, like the lotus out of the pond, She arose from the samudra-mathana by divines and demons; pure good and progress-force for real wealth and welfare for mankind, coming out due to evil forces being opposed by pro-active goodness forces. Same thing will happen, after the current churnings, taking place in the international waters, die down.

There is a ‘kaapaaleeSwara’ temple in chennai.
kapaala-hastah kaapaalee, kalmashaaNaam apaalakah.
‘Kaapaalee’ stands for non-protection of evil!, a-paalaka of ka.
But most tamils simply say ‘kapaalee’, meaning protector of evil only. No wonder TN is only full of 'kazhagams' of all kinds, DMK, ADMK, PMK and many others!
kam zhakayati iti kazhaka! in tamil, a-zhaku is beauty! zhakayati stands for non-beautifying, ugly-fying only. I can assure you there is really only a competitive contest among these kazhagams for the uglification of the state in various ways.
only the judges of the high court have not yet come out for beating up the state ministers, or vice versa, as yet!.

Things might become better, if the name ‘kapaaleeSwara’ for the temple is replaced by 'ka-apaaleeSwara'. But, the MK wont agree to any such thing, since he does not believe in such ‘spiritual superstitions’ based on a ‘dead language’ some people are still using called, sanskrit. That his own name is only in sans, is a different matter, altogether!

Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance)Impudent Imprudent, Mr Arnold Toynbee whom you admire so much as a supporter of the demolition of the Babri Mosque at Ayodhya dies full 17 years before the dastardly act. Maybe you a direct line to the other world just as you have a hotline to this (Cruel-Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi in Swat.

Look up Kalhan's Rajtarangini and see for yourself how many Hindu Temples were descrated, looted and destroyed by the Hindu Kings themselves in your very own Kashmir. Since you are a CONGENITAL LIAR, you will, I'm sure, bury your head in sand and declare Rajtarangini to be a colonial trick.

61 years back Muslims got their Madre Wattan .We gave them the most prosperous and best cultivatable lands.Muslimsbroke pakistan into 2 .killed 3o0lacs Muslims and raped 10 lac girls.A typical Muslim trait.

Now furthe rdestruction of LAND of PURES is being done by the PURES themselves. SDimilar streek we find here in India too.Clergy is asking for another 1947 .

Hordes of Believers like medivial ages are already trumpling Pakistan .NEXT INDIA ??

" What the people of Pakistan think about the Taliban


Monday, March 02, 2009
Seema Mustafa

The tide is turning for the people of Pakistan. And the fear and apprehension is palpable as soon as one crosses the Wagah border into Lahore. The enthusiasm, hope and even joy visible just last February during the general elections have been replaced in less than a year with despair, and a realization that all is not well. What makes it worse is a sense of disillusionment with the political leadership that has embedded itself in narrow conflict and strife, and not stood up to the challenge of providing a stable and responsive government.

The Taliban is creeping into the heartland of Pakistan. And what makes the people of Pakistan, particularly the more aware civil society, despondent is the awareness that there is no one in a position to stop the onward march. The recent deal between the Zardari government and the Taliban in Swat, brokered by the Awami National Party, has created widespread resentment amongst the progressive sections of society, who see in it a total surrender and, as many of them said, a clear indication that the government had abdicated its responsibility.

It is common knowledge on the streets of Pakistan now that the Taliban are just moments away from Peshawar and already spreading their wings in southern Punjab. Posters have appeared in the villages around Lahore supporting the Taliban and their social and moral code that includes beards for men, and no education or rights for women.

The army is either complicit, or unable to take action with strategic experts divided through the middle on this issue. All agree that the terrain and inexperience in counterinsurgency operations is deterring effective army operations, but one view is that this is matched by the absence of determination and commitment to fight the Taliban.

The other view is that the army is still playing with the extremist forces, and using this to put pressure on the political leadership so that it can eventually get back into the seat of power in Islamabad. The truth probably lies in the middle as there are indications — from the 1500 or more soldiers who have died in battle — that there is some level of seriousness within the army to fight this war. But at the same time there are stories of how the army is using the operations to acquire more funds and more weaponry from the United States.

The one almost frantic plea heard across the board — from political parties and civil society — was that India should realise the problem Pakistan was facing and resume the peace process. There was all-round condemnation of the Mumbai terror attack from every possible quarter, accompanied with the demand that India should agree to have joint investigation with Pakistan. The argument was that this would ease some of the pressure on Pakistan, give the political government manoeuvring space within the country and force the army to admit its responsibility instead of using the “we have to place our forces on the eastern border and so do not have enough man power to tackle the Taliban” argument. "next

M_A:>>"And, of corse, 'ka' is not always evil in Sanskrit"

Before you ask me, I might explain myself why the word 'kalyaaNa' standing for 'marriage' and 'kalyaaN' meaning welfare in hindi, also starts with the syllable 'ka'.

kalim yaatayati, kali-yaatana-vrittih, iti kalyaaNah. a state which makes evil to depart for good. rocano rocamaanah kalyaaNah, goes the upanishadic statement.
'kleem' kayaaNyai namah om, is part of the navaaksharee mantra. The excess aaNavam or ego in the male is nuetralized and disciplined by the excess spirituality or aanmeeka present in the mother-minded female, bringing happiness with health and discipline as part of married life, getting kids and brnging them up also in love and commitment to productive and progressive sociodynamics.

II : "Civil society that is extremely critical of terrorism and admits very openly of the involvement of Pakistan’s terror groups, is clear that this cooperation would help stem the tide as it would strengthen the political and democratic forces to effectively counter the Taliban and the jihadis.

New Delhi has adopted the ‘wait and watch’ approach with government policy clearly reflected in its refusal to heed this plea. The government here continues to favour the army and even former President General Musharraf, who is still hated on the streets of Pakistan, even though it knows that it cannot conduct direct talks with the men in uniform. The assessment justifying inaction, that “if we help the process of peace there will be another terror attack in India”, is strange and inexplicable but sums up official government policy. Who should we talk to, is the other argument for inaction and that, to some extent, gets justified when the PPP uses the courts to get rid of the PML-N government in Punjab. Interestingly, there was widespread dismay all around – even amongst those who had supported the PPP – when the Supreme Court disqualified Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz, and President Asif Ali Zardari stepped in to impose governor’s rule in the Punjab. Not a single person, outside the core group around Zardari, supported the move with the consensus that this would further strengthen the army and the Taliban gaining ground.

President Zardari is vying for the ‘most disliked politician’ post in Pakistan. His honeymoon with the people, and even sections of his own party, is over and he is emerging as an autocrat who is not working for the larger good of the country. He is surrounded by a clique of favourite politicians and his own family, who are the only persons he appears to trust. He does not seem to be in command of the situation or even willing to acknowledge the growing threat to Pakistan’s secular polity, as the recent action against the Sharif brothers demonstrates. Instead of consolidating the political forces to pressure the army and fight the Taliban, Zardari has added to the conflict and divisiveness within Pakistani society.

The fear of a Taliban take over is real. The truce has delayed the process, but perhaps only temporarily. It is not expected to work on the ground for long, and can only strengthen the Taliban that has ensured that its writ has now the mandate of the government. The courts have been closed in Peshawar, the schools are closed with girls being discouraged from attending, brutal assassinations are being carried out with the government watching helplessly from Islamabad.

Any sane person in India will realise that the growth of the Taliban in Pakistan will not secure India. Increased terrorism and the resultant growth of communalism in this country will be immediate results, leading to divisiveness and instability all around. It is therefore, imperative for the government of India to wake up to the dangers before these reach our doors, and formulate a policy that strengthens peace and the democratic forces in the region. Military action is never a solution, as probably even the United States can vouch for after the invasion of Iraq."


http://thenews.jang.com...ly_detail.asp?id=165245


If Military action is not the solution then perhaps we should welcome Islamic Hordes with candles on Wagha Border ??

'The Taliban is creeping into the heartland of Pakistan. And what makes the people of Pakistan, particularly the more aware civil society, despondent is the awareness that there is no one in a position to stop the onward march. The recent deal between the Zardari government and the Taliban in Swat, brokered by the Awami National Party, has created widespread resentment amongst the progressive sections of society, who see in it a total surrender and, as many of them said, a clear indication that the government had abdicated its responsibility.

It is common knowledge on the streets of Pakistan now that the Taliban are just moments away from Peshawar and already spreading their wings in southern Punjab. Posters have appeared in the villages around Lahore supporting the Taliban and their social and moral code that includes beards for men, and no education or rights for women. "

Any answere the defnders of ?

M_A:>"Hindu Temples were descrated, looted and destroyed by the Hindu Kings themselves in your very own Kashmir"

Hindu kings destroying temples? absurd interpolations. hindus wont destroy any shrines of worship, of any religion, not even churches or mosques in active worship. the babri masjid, built on a demolished temple, was not in worship-use at all, when demolished. in my opinion, even the attacks of temples attributed to chr, or on churches to hindus, could be only by moslems, trained to hate all idols of worship, hindu deities inside temples or mother-Mary statues with christ in her hand and cross in his hand, outside many churches, or ancient buddheist sculptures on mountain sides!. .

Kalhan's Rajtarangini is there for all to read.

Ramjanmabhoomi was the original trigger of terrorism in India.

MOHAN AWARA
NEW DELHI INDIA

By making a foolish claim like the above you are exposing your Achilles’ heel because it leads to an endless regression as to the cause and effect of terrorism.

For example I can blame it on Prophet Mohammed for establishing a religion like Islam which entailed on his adherents a seat near to Allah in heavens if they had helped to destroy the ‘temples of Satan’ among other similar acts dear to Allah , during a short period of seventy or eighty years they infested the earth. Probably that may make you wish there was some new technology to bomb me through the Internet.

But though I don’t revere Mohammed I respect him for some other reason. He was living during a time when the mighty Roman military machine carrying the flag of Christianity was marching through out the length and breadth of Europe as also in the middle east led by Christian Bishops intend on destroying all religions and Gods of the Pagans for the glory of their new God.. They smashed the idols of old gods before the eyes of their worshippers to show them the futility of worshipping gods who are not even capable of taking care of themselves. Nothing could be more convincing than that to switch to the new god.

Mohammed in his immense wisdom new no gods or religion will survive against such a military religion till another military religion was established to counter it. His answer was a new religion which forbade its followers from worshipping any idols and wait for their time. The march of Christianity was stalled because there was nothing to be destroyed to prove the superiority of their god to the Arabs. And followers of Mohammed paid their enemies in their own coin later. And now history repeats itself. The Muslims are now on the run again.

In their rage and panic, the fundamentalist Muslims seem to have become more foolish to believe that nations will surrender to them if they kill innocent individuals. The ‘trigger’ of terrorism in India is not Ramjanmabhumi but the infinite stupidity of their perpetrators and the horrendous lack of humanity in them.

Look up the history of terrorism in India and you will find that but for the Extremists killers owing allegiance to Sikhism and the Naxalites, the terrorism practised by the extremist fringe within the Muslim community was virtually non-existent prior to LKA's Ram Rath

"the terrorism practised by the extremist fringe within the Muslim community was virtually non-existent prior to LKA's Ram Rath '

Bawery

We consider Kashmir as part of india unlike you Pakistanies.Terrorism was in Kashmir pirior to Rth Yatra.

"Kalhan's Rajtarangini is there for all to read "

Read .There is nothing in it about what you say.

Part 1 : " Paradise Lost



By Zahid Hussain




Valley of Death


Residents of Mingora often wake up to find bodies of those executed by the militants slung from electric poles in the town’s central square in the full view of the military, with a note of warning not to remove them till midday. Some 28 people, most of them women, have been executed over the past few months and their bodies thrown in the square which is now known as ‘Zibahkhana Chowk’, or Slaughter Square.

Bakht Zeba, a former member of Swat district council, virtually signed her death warrant when she criticised the Taliban for preventing girls from attending school. On November.26, masked gunmen dragged her out of her house in the Mulakabad area of Mingora, brutally thrashing her before shooting her in the head. Her body lay there for several hours.

Zeba, who also ran an NGO, was made an example of, for daring to defy the militants. She was yet another victim of the Taliban reign of terror, which has swept the scenic Swat valley. Educated women like Zeba are being particularly targeted. “For a woman, even to come out of her house is considered a crime by the militants,” says Sarfraz Khan, a professor at Peshawar University, who comes from a village in the restive area.

Executions and public beheadings of government officials, soldiers, alleged spies and criminals are frequently used by the militants to terrorise the population into submission.

The rising Taliban influence in one of the most progressive and culturally rich, former princely states, comes as a serious blow to Pakistan’s battle against militancy. More people have been killed in Swat by the militants than in Gaza by Israeli forces. An estimated 1,500 people have, so far, perished in the fighting raging for the past 18 months.

Pakistani army troops deployed in the area have failed to stop the rampaging Taliban, who now control a large swath of 5,337 square kilometres in the valley, less than 200 miles from Islamabad. The militants established their own courts to dispense ‘Islamic justice,’ as the government’s control faltered "

PART 2:

Mian Bawrey see how your Puristan is being destroyed .

"Watching television, singing and dancing, shaving beards and allowing girls to attend school have all been proscribed as un-Islamic activities. “Anyone resisting them is punished with death,” says Zubair Toorwali, an official of an NGO, who fled his home in the Madian district of Swat, following threats from the militants.

The names of those who have already been executed by the Taliban for violating their decrees and those they plan to kill next, are regularly broadcast on their FM radio, which is used by the militants as a tool for spreading fear among the population. Every night, terrified residents listen to the transmission to find out if any of their kin are on the dreaded list.

Among those slain recently was a local dancer known as Shabana. Her body was dumped in the square, after she was brutally murdered. “She deserved death for her immoral character,” proclaimed the Taliban radio.

People are commonly killed for not complying with a retrogressive code of conduct prescribed by the Taliban. Amjad Islam, a school teacher in Mingora, was shot dead for refusing to pull up his shalwar above his ankle, which the militants believed was against the Shariah.

All educational institutions, in the region have been shut down after the Taliban banned girls’ education declaring it to be un-Islamic. Parents were warned of dire consequences if the restriction was flouted.

“Female education is against Islamic teachings and spreads vulgarity in society,” declared Shah Dauran, a Taliban spokesman, in his daily broadcast on radio.

Militants have blown up more than 185 schools since the start of the army operation last year. This has affected at least 80,000 female students and thrown some 8,000 female teachers in unemployment. “We don’t have any future,” says Mah Gul, a female school teacher who now lives in Peshawar. The violence has forced some 300,000 people to leave their homes. “There is no one left in my village, except for the Taliban,” says Sarfraz Khan, another local."

PART 3:

BAWREY you have earned two hundered lashes for your lies at the hands of Talibans .

"Senior government officials concede that the writ of the state has completely broken down, as a large number of police officers and local officials have left their jobs for fear of their lives. Seventy police officers have been killed – most of them beheaded – by militants, last year alone. Their decapitated bodies were exhibited to inculcate fear among others. In some cases, police and local government officials place advertisements in local newspapers, renouncing their jobs. “It is the only way a man can save his family’s and his own life,” remarks a police officer, who deserted his post recently and is now residing in Peshawar.

At least 800 policemen – half the strength of the district police force – have deserted their posts. So deep is the fear of the Taliban that all 600 police commandos, specially trained by the military to serve in Swat, refused to join their duty this month. Clinics and hospitals have been closed down because of the refusal of doctors and paramilitary staff to serve in the affected areas. “The absence of a government has provided an open field to the militants,” says Khalid Aziz, a former chief secretary of the province.

Unlike the remote semi-autonomous tribal region, Swat, with a population of 1.3 million, is a part of the NWFP which is governed by a coalition government led by the ANP. But the government seems to have abdicated its responsibility to the militants. Most of the local nazims and members of the national and provincial assemblies have fled the area, leaving the local population at the mercy of the marauders. A provincial assembly member of the ANP, last month in an advertisement in a local newspaper, thanked the Taliban for sparing his life. Afzal Khan, a veteran politician, is the only one to have stayed in his village, despite several assassination attempts on his life.

The federal government also seems to have little understanding of the unfolding situation and the threat to national security posed by the rising militancy. There is no coherent policy to deal with the worsening situation in Swat and other parts of the NWFP. No federal or provincial government leader has bothered to visit the troubled area, further fuelling the demoralisation among the people.

Islamabad sent thousands of troops at the end of 2007 to quell the insurgency led by Maulana Fazlullah, a fiery Wahhabi cleric, also known as Mullah Radio for his sermons on FM radio. The long-haired, 33-year-old cleric started out as a preacher a few years ago, but gained huge popularity among the local population with his powerful speeches, broadcast from his illegal radio station. Subsequently, he raised a militant force to wage a holy war against the Pakistani state. "


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My land is India - not exactly as unalloyed as your Swat and detoxified headquarters at Nagpur and Muridke. My land is India - plural, diverse, tolerant and delectably impure. The greatest threat to this our land comes from purists like 2c/h Hhehha tH Yamadoota, Baba Greasy Ghai, Dukhiya Ambalvi, StopperLax, Eyeless ITNO Ignorance, MussoHitler. As for Greasy Baba, he has obviously not read Rajtarangini by Kalhan.

"My land is India "

You are post 26/11 product here.You are just assigne dto post anti Hindu posta an increas ethe Hindu Muslim Divide .

But Baba Greasy YOU are NOT A HINDU! That much is certain.

YOU are, as I have said time and again, a FASCI-PSEUDO-HINDU - a Slave Brigadists of the combined command of the RSS and the TALIBANS.

As for your brand of unending LIES StopperLax, the 95% Muslims whom you identify as the descendants of the invaders, if you had any access to knowledge you would have without much difficulty known, were indigenous converts.
Despite your asseveration to the contrary, you seem to so hatefully conflate all forms of terrorism with Islam and thereby with the Muslims at large. Yours and your ilks hate mails are eloquent testimonies to that fact.
You are the ones who unabashedly applaud the death of Hemant Karkares and the dastardly assassination of Indira Gandhi.

You in an uncanny similarity to your 'brothers' in arms in Swat, peddle ideology of hate and exult at death and destruction in a danse macabre. The exodus of Pandits from Kashmir remains a very sad and dark chapter in the recent history of India. No doubt about that. It was a direct assault on the plural cultural ethos of the very idea of India. Having said that, you and your ilk are doing something dangerously similar.

Baba Greasy - brevity is the soul of wit only when used with wisdom. Asinine brevity - such as mimicry - that you practise fall flat on its face. It is still not too late especially as you have retired to enroll as a student in the department of political philosophy or cultural studies at Mumbai University.

correction: 'falls flat'

Sagacious/Thiagan,

>> Terrorism came to India with the arrival muslim invaders.

Idiots like you may say that terrorism began in India with Ashoka's Kalinga war! Hatred has made you blind enogh to think that events like Ayodhya and Gujerat have no consequences. Or perhaps you are just lying.

>> The demolishion has been approved by no less than Arnold Toynbee, quoting the precedent of the catholic church in Poland.

What a stupid statement! You have to run to a British historian for a stamp of approval for your actions. You are truly retarded.

>> UK is a dhimmi state and it is paying jaziaa.

You are a paranoid psychotic and a moron, besides being a liar.

Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> We gave them the most prosperous and best cultivatable lands.

Did we give it to them? Or was it theirs to start with, and all we and they did was to separate? Is your 'afsos' just another way of expressing hate?

Seshadri,

>> Hindu kings destroying temples? absurd interpolations. hindus wont destroy any shrines of worship, of any religion.

When will you stop your fairytales? Bith Hindus and Muslims need to be more honest about our history.

A reminder to double-I:
Double-I (or Eyeless in the Night of Ignorance)Impudent Imprudent, Mr Arnold Toynbee whom you admire so much as a supporter of the demolition of the Babri Mosque at Ayodhya dies full 17 years before the dastardly act. Maybe you have a direct line to the other world just as you have a hotline to this (Cruel-Joke)Maulana (Non)Sufi in Swat.

A_P:>>"Bith Hindus and Muslims need to be more honest about our history"

Your typical tendency to add 'hindu' also when you have anything bad to say, about moslems. You know that history taught in madarsas is only cooked up 'stories'. You would just say rss schools must be teaching similarly cooked-up pro-hindu stuff.

proof of pudding is in the eating. compare the typical madarsa product, the sufi mohammed leader of SWAT with the typical rss product narendra modi CM of gujarat. who is more civilized and modern in values and perceptions.
madaras educaton badly needs modernizn.

Allah is Siva only. But, quran given by gabriel [narada] to nabhi [ravan] is not of the same spiritual standing as the Gita given by Kr [vishnu=Siva] to arjun [indra's son]; while abu baker and other sunna-makers further degraded the quality of islamic perceptions, vyasa and Suka had ensured that gita's teachings were preserved at purely and highly spiritual level. Hence, hindus have been able to follow their holy book much more effectively than moslems.